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Summer House's Sensation · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,
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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
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Speaker 1: on today's episode of Reality with the King, Honey, I'm
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Speaker 1: with the King of summerhouse Baby, the King of Martha's Vineyard,
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Speaker 1: the King of shady confessionals Honey, and the King of memes. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: please give it up for the star, Honey, A summer
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Speaker 1: Martha's been your resting.
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Speaker 2: What an introduction. I so appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: I love you, President. How have you been?
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Speaker 2: You know? Life is life in like I've I just
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Speaker 2: literally made a post the other day that said, you
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Speaker 2: know what, I'm in a season of my life where
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Speaker 2: I'm getting everything I prayed for, and I just hope
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Speaker 2: it continues like this is this is a blessing, honestly,
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Speaker 2: so I just I just pray it pay it continues,
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Speaker 2: you know, because everybody ain't eight ball all the time.
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Speaker 2: So let's just hope this maintain no listen, it will
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Speaker 2: maintain listen.
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Speaker 1: As the King of Reality Television press and Okay, my
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Speaker 1: advice to you is just enjoy the ride and remain humble. Okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: because You're only as good as your last episode. Honey,
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Speaker 1: and the folks who love You're gonna read.
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Speaker 2: You try, you know, but that's incredibly real. Though I
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Speaker 2: always said this, I appreciate these moments because we know
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Speaker 2: reality can be fleeting, so it's like, why not just
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Speaker 2: enjoy the ride while it's here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Summer House, Martha's being here is such a good show.
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Speaker 1: You are so fantastic on the show, Preston, And I
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Speaker 1: want to firstveil this though, how did you get cast
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Speaker 1: on the show? Because you never saw yourself being on
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Speaker 1: a reality show, so I want to know how all
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Speaker 1: of that came about too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the short of it is that, I mean,
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Speaker 2: really it was by way of connection to my line
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Speaker 2: brother Silas and then Jasmine. They were on the vineyard already.
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Speaker 2: I was on the vineyard, but separate. We weren't staying
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Speaker 2: in the same house. And it just happens that some
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Speaker 2: of them who were already together, like Silas, Jasmine, Jordan,
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Speaker 2: I think Shanise, Jason, Dad took this picture and kind
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Speaker 2: of it was sought out, and then I guess the
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Speaker 2: casting folks were like, well, if you know anybody else
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Speaker 2: who could actually be good for the show, let us know,
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Speaker 2: we'll just reach out. And then of course Silas reached
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Speaker 2: out to me and then was like, Hey, what are
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Speaker 2: your thoughts. I'm like, hell, no, this doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 2: I'm not doing this because you have to understand my
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Speaker 2: career was like on this like upward trajectory, and you
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Speaker 2: can't control a lot on reality TV. Like even with
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Speaker 2: me knowing I can control my responses to certain things,
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Speaker 2: there's just a lot there. And as a reality TV watcher,
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Speaker 2: I know that. So I was like, all right, this
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Speaker 2: may not make sense. But the more we talked about it,
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Speaker 2: I had this list of pros and cons, and suddenly
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Speaker 2: the pro started to aweigh the cons of what I
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Speaker 2: could do and what I could contribute to reality TV,
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Speaker 2: especially with the network like Bravo. Right, something's so expansive,
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Speaker 2: something that I personally haven't really seen black gay men
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Speaker 2: being like on the center stage, if you will. Like
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Speaker 2: a lot of times we were seen as the accessories,
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Speaker 2: the friend ofs and all love truly to those individuals.
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Speaker 2: But it was just the time I think that we
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Speaker 2: had to shine a little bit brighter and that space
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Speaker 2: just opened up.
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Speaker 1: Oh baby, you opened up the space. Honey, You're owning
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Speaker 1: the space. You're clearing the girls, your confessional addites are
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Speaker 1: so funny to me. And the thing that I love
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Speaker 1: about you, Preston, I can tell that you're just authentically you.
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Speaker 1: And what I love the most about you is you
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Speaker 1: are authentically black.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know if you know this. So a
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Speaker 2: couple of friends texted me in the pastor ble of
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Speaker 2: days and was like, I don't know if you know,
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Speaker 2: but one of your tweets from ten years ago is
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Speaker 2: in this black Twitter documentary and I was like, oh really,
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Speaker 2: and they were like yeah, so they sent it to
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Speaker 2: me and I was like, see, this is important though, right, like,
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Speaker 2: because the reality is I have been very active ono,
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of these new people use x, I
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Speaker 2: use Twitter, so like, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 2: it's like, you probably will pull up some tweets about
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Speaker 2: me being extremely black, because that's just who I always
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Speaker 2: have been. Frankly, no, but.
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Speaker 1: That's what you bring to the show that I think
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Speaker 1: is so refreshing. Like you said, is what you bring
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Speaker 1: to the network that we haven't seen. And I'm happy
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Speaker 1: that Ravo has chosen to really do a black version
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Speaker 1: of Summer House. And I think all of you, I
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Speaker 1: call y'all kids, because I'm your older big brother, right
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Speaker 1: so I think you kids do a fantastic job at
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Speaker 1: just being yourselves and representing the show, representing yourselves. I'm
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Speaker 1: a huge fan of the show. What's interesting about it
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Speaker 1: is you talk about Silas, which is Jasmine's husband, being
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Speaker 1: your line brother, and he of course was like, oh, bro,
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Speaker 1: you want to do the show?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: What happened to you and Jasma Honey? Because when you
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Speaker 1: went to Jamaica with Bria Jordan, Jasmine wasn't part of
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Speaker 1: that equation. So what is going on? Because I thought
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Speaker 1: the show was built around Jasmine Honey and you left
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Speaker 1: her in the dust pan with the broom.
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Speaker 2: I love this question because it's always important to correct
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Speaker 2: the record. Jasmine at that point, in my honest opinion,
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Speaker 2: was not really my friend in that way. She is
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Speaker 2: my line brother's wife, and I don't think that's atypical
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Speaker 2: for like people who have ls's and LB's Like you
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Speaker 2: are your part of it, and I was in the
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Speaker 2: wedding to be very clear, but even Silas will admit
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Speaker 2: that him and I were not super tight like we
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Speaker 2: were a line brother. And as someone who's about to
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Speaker 2: get married next year, I can tell you that a
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Speaker 2: lot of people who you pick for your weddings sometimes
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Speaker 2: are not your closest and closest it's people who are responsible,
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Speaker 2: and it's people who you have love for, who you
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Speaker 2: know are going to pay their bills, be on time,
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Speaker 2: and actually make sure things go smoothly and so, and
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Speaker 2: that's just what That's the main advice I've gotten from
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Speaker 2: a lot of my married friends, frankly and so. But
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Sars and I are like,
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Speaker 2: we're cool, right, But Silas will even admit we were
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Speaker 2: not like this, And I think our relationship has like
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Speaker 2: had its ebbs and flows, certainly, But I say that
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Speaker 2: as the context to say Jasmine was really her like
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Speaker 2: their friends. So even when we were having this like
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Speaker 2: full conversation about should Jasmine on the trip, they will.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you I never said no ever, because it
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Speaker 2: wasn't my place to. It's like, through their connection and relationships,
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Speaker 2: I built separate friendships with the people who you just named,
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Speaker 2: and it just felt like it made sense to go.
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Speaker 2: They had all those conversations around Oh, maybe it does
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Speaker 2: make sense. Maybe it doesn't make sense. First of all,
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Speaker 2: I will always have issues with people who aren't introspective
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Speaker 2: enough when they're the common denominator in certain situations, everyone
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Speaker 2: is not randomly not speaking to you. They may not
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Speaker 2: be telling you the truth, they may not even be
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Speaker 2: sharing it out loud, but they share it with me.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about those women. I'm talking
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Speaker 2: about a couple of guys. What were they saying about
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Speaker 2: Jazmin that she was being different the Jazzminte they knew
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Speaker 2: before we started filming season one was different than the
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Speaker 2: Jazmine they recognized during filming and after the fact, and
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Speaker 2: even in my interactions they were different. It didn't make
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Speaker 2: me dislike her, but it did make me.
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Speaker 1: Go, I don't know and fear like she got a
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Speaker 1: big hit or ego because of the show, just moving
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Speaker 1: different lead.
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, and I'm not even trying to be shady.
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Speaker 2: This is what I'm really like, Shady and truth can coexist, like,
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Speaker 2: but I'm really not trying to be shady. When I
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Speaker 2: say this, right, she will admit that she was buying
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Speaker 2: Instagram fun like she bought Instagram followers, like it's stuff
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Speaker 2: like that that for me makes it. It makes me
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable because I don't understand why you're doing it. We
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Speaker 2: had this full conversation in the text group, all of
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Speaker 2: us said so like, no one is shocked. I think
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Speaker 2: people just don't want to say it. And I'm always
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Speaker 2: in trouble for being the person who decides to be honest.
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Speaker 2: But I'm like, we know some of us felt uncomfortable.
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Speaker 2: It didn't make her a villain, it didn't make her
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Speaker 2: a bad person. We were just like, this is different
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Speaker 2: than the person we're used to, and that built some
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Speaker 2: tension for some of the folks.
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Speaker 1: And one thing I will say, because as a gay
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Speaker 1: black man myself, who have a lot of female friends
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Speaker 1: and we hang out whatever, one thing I will say,
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Speaker 1: not to speak for you, but I think I think
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Speaker 1: you may agree with this. When it comes to the
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Speaker 1: gays and the girls. The girls shockingly, because I know
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Speaker 1: y'all think we're messy too. They are kind of a
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Speaker 1: not in this case, you're not the girls fight.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, that's showing stuff. This is why I always
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Speaker 2: need to clear the records and establish friendships and what
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Speaker 2: words mean and what they don't mean. Because everyone calls
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Speaker 2: everyone their friends, and I'm very clear about who my
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Speaker 2: friends are and who they're not.
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Speaker 1: So when it comes to the summer House, Martha's been
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Speaker 1: your cast. Who are your friends?
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Speaker 2: People I would consider my friends, meaning like I talk
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Speaker 2: to them often, I don't I feel like I can
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Speaker 2: trust them, et cetera. Would be Jordan's Summer, Nick, Emir, Noel, Shanise.
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Speaker 2: Those are the people I talk to you, probably the
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Speaker 2: most consistently. I don't talk to Bria often. I don't
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Speaker 2: talk to oh and Alex too. Sorry, I don't talk
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Speaker 2: to Bria often. I don't talk to Jasmine often, even
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Speaker 2: though we you know, we're trying to figure it out.
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Speaker 2: We're trying to figure it out. So yeah, so honestly,
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Speaker 2: Jasmin and Bria are probably there too. I talk to
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Speaker 2: the least as a fan of the show.
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Speaker 1: I adore your friendship with Jasmine and Silas, and I
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Speaker 1: will love to see you and Jasmine get to a
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Speaker 1: good place. Do you think there's a world where you
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Speaker 1: two can get to a good place.
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Speaker 2: I would love that, like I would absolutely love that.
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Speaker 2: I just want us to start from a place of
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Speaker 2: honesty and certain lack of expectations, right, I think there
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Speaker 2: are certain things expected of me that she and others
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Speaker 2: were not expect of anyone else. For example, I've been
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Speaker 2: dubbed right the voice of Reason, the more of the
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Speaker 2: neutral person overall. But I'm like, I getn't title myself that,
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Speaker 2: and so like, y'all are putting this burden on me,
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Speaker 2: and it doesn't escape me that I happen to be
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Speaker 2: the only queer person in this house either, and we
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Speaker 2: always feel this burden of always having to be there
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Speaker 2: for everyone else, and so I'm kind of exhausted with it.
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Speaker 2: And so I'm like, as long as we can actually
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Speaker 2: create this environment where our friendships seem as equal as
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Speaker 2: they can and not being like well precedent stand up
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Speaker 2: for me, like you don't expect these people to stand
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Speaker 2: up for you either, So, like you know, it just
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Speaker 2: doesn't make sense for me personally. I pray we can
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Speaker 2: get to a good spot. Like, honestly, this show really
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Speaker 2: is built around friendships, and I think it would be
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Speaker 2: terrible when God forbid, when the show ends down the line.
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Speaker 2: I would hate that this is what we couldn't this
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Speaker 2: is what broke us, because to be honest, if there
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Speaker 2: wasn't for it, we would still be okay, right, we
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Speaker 2: would just go along with the get along. And so
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Speaker 2: I think, obviously this is new for all of us.
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Speaker 2: We're figuring it all out. But I think we have
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Speaker 2: to like give each other permission to not censor ourselves.
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Speaker 2: We're no, we're going to do these interviews, and so
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Speaker 2: it's like give us permission to actually tell our own
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Speaker 2: truth and our own side of the story. And I
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Speaker 2: don't think everyone on our cast unfortunately allows each other
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Speaker 2: to be that free.
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Speaker 1: Did you see the interview that Jasmine I did?
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Speaker 2: I did? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: How did you feel when she made it seem as
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Speaker 1: if the people who develoved an ego on the show
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Speaker 1: were you and the rest of the people in the
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Speaker 1: Jamaica trip.
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Speaker 2: Well, that more sounds like jealousy from the non invitation,
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Speaker 2: because the reality is Jasmon didn't really know me. Jasmine
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Speaker 2: and I hung out maybe six times before the show,
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Speaker 2: Like this is why I'm like, what the hell are
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Speaker 2: you talking about? Like honestly, like we didn't really know
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Speaker 2: each other, so like it just fascinates me because again,
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Speaker 2: I am very clear about who my people are and
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Speaker 2: who they're not, and I'm not about to create this
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Speaker 2: like entire dynamic. Like everybody in DC when they see
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Speaker 2: me on the street, everyone talks about how I'm the
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Speaker 2: same exact person who they've known for the past fourteen years.
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Speaker 2: And so it's like, if you think I'm going to
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Speaker 2: hold your opinion higher, we haven't even spent two hands together.
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Speaker 2: I just can't. I can't take that opinion seriously. I'm sorry, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I just I can't. You are, but you are not
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Speaker 2: about the whole higher opinion than my best friend of
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Speaker 2: twelve years, Like, I I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: Would you say that when it comes to this show,
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Speaker 1: was it difficult for you to walk into a situation
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Speaker 1: knowing that there is cameras twenty four to seven? And
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Speaker 1: did that make some of you and the cast more
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Speaker 1: conscious of your behavior because you knew that by any
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Speaker 1: given moment, there's a camera where backs up the bathrooms.
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Speaker 2: I think yes and no. So like I think the
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Speaker 2: first summer when we filmed, I think it was much
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Speaker 2: more like old crap. Like I'm literally walking down the
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Speaker 2: steps and I'm accidentally treating this like as avid elementary,
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Speaker 2: so I'm just looking directly in the camera. I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, y'all. I'm sorry. But I think you know,
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Speaker 2: when I started to learn that there was like Mike's
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Speaker 2: and headboards and different things, I'm like, Okay, this is
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Speaker 2: a lot. But I think honestly, the second summer, which
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Speaker 2: is I think while we were so activated so quickly
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Speaker 2: on the first day, is I think we just didn't
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Speaker 2: care anymore. I mean, it was just like whatever, Like
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Speaker 2: we're gonna get what they're gonna get from us. Literal,
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Speaker 2: my whole ass cheeks is out this summer. So I
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Speaker 2: think you'll just, you know, we let it go a
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Speaker 2: little bit more. But I've also realized the truth is
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Speaker 2: you can't run away from yourself no matter how much
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Speaker 2: you try, and you know the real you is going
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Speaker 2: to eventually come out. But that's just real. Right, Like
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Speaker 2: we're filming for a couple of weeks, You're gonna have
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Speaker 2: the good, bad, and ugly, and I think people wish
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Speaker 2: they didn't show the ugly, but we all have it
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Speaker 2: in us, right, It's just different things that's gonna bring
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Speaker 2: it out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing we're walking the season, there's been
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Speaker 1: this dialogue and we're seeing it for the past couple
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Speaker 1: of episodes about your friend Nick being too handsy. I
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Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on that, because again I'm
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Speaker 1: not in the house obviously, and the house is twenty
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Speaker 1: for seven, but based on the show, and again this
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Speaker 1: is my opinion, I didn't think Nick came across that
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Speaker 1: way unless there's the things that happened that I'm not seeing.
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Speaker 1: And I could tell that at the moment he was
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Speaker 1: informed of this. What I did appreciate that he addressed
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Speaker 1: it hit on. He's like, let's talk about it, and
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Speaker 1: I thought he handed that delicately. But man, we're seeing
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Speaker 1: the conversation happen again, so I want to get your
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Speaker 1: thoughts on it, Like, is Nick a handsy person? Nick?
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Speaker 2: So this is why I always said, hansy does not
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Speaker 2: mean an appropriate person, right know, only people frankly who
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Speaker 2: can judge that is the person who like feels your
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Speaker 2: fingers on them. But that's the point I was originally
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Speaker 2: trying to say to him. Anyway, It's like, yes, some
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Speaker 2: people at that point, it was Jordan and Summer who
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Speaker 2: were having that conversation, which to me felt very different
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Speaker 2: because they do have a close relationship and so you know,
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Speaker 2: for me, I was like, Okay, I cannot tell Nick,
16:44
Speaker 2: but we kind of are already that. Honestly, that episode
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Speaker 2: was kind of funny because when Nick was like, we'll
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Speaker 2: just do what I do, do nothing, I'm like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I feel like this is God because I probably would
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Speaker 2: have kept this in, but stop the wills funny. I
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Speaker 2: stopped the will Ye like, well, yeah, I'm like, NAHV
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Speaker 2: that just said it. I can't just let this go.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I mentioned it and he was I
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Speaker 2: think kind of floored at first, but then did respond
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Speaker 2: I think to your point, like well, and how he
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Speaker 2: went about it. I do think Nick can be handsy.
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Speaker 2: I just don't think that necessarily means inappropriate. And I
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Speaker 2: think it's because Nick is very affectionate. So even with me,
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Speaker 2: Nick is like always hugging on me, grabbing on me,
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Speaker 2: like that is just who Nick is. But some people aren't.
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Speaker 2: Some people don't like that right, And so for me,
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Speaker 2: I was like, well, it's not really about if you
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Speaker 2: feel your handsy. If someone is making a common aboud
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Speaker 2: it and maybe making them a little uncomfortable, and that's
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Speaker 2: kind of just is what it is. I think it
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Speaker 2: coming up again, which you'll see. I think it's weird
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Speaker 2: actually how it came up again. I feel like it
17:45
Speaker 2: was done to be messy by the person who brought
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Speaker 2: it up. Ultimately, other than that, it was just kind
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Speaker 2: of like girl talk, like they were just chilling and talking.
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Speaker 2: I think what led to it was not as sincere
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Speaker 2: as me bringing it to Nick's attention. And yeah, y'allmost
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Speaker 2: see all that, but I didn't like how it came
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Speaker 2: off the second time.
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Speaker 1: So speaking of the second time Will and Mariah second
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Speaker 1: time around, Okay, well we saw first season with Phil
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Speaker 1: who by the way, you know how they call some
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Speaker 1: reality stars who get a second season the second season
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Speaker 1: blow up? Your band's feel had a second season blow up.
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Speaker 2: He was always like an attractive person, That's what I'm
18:25
Speaker 2: just like, be attractive, but a little less loud, but
18:30
Speaker 2: show some levels.
18:32
Speaker 1: What I did love though this season because like like
18:35
Speaker 1: I said, first season, obviously he appeared to be a
18:40
Speaker 1: little just like rude you know again with his behavior
18:44
Speaker 1: he was sent home and then this season before he
18:48
Speaker 1: got to the house, he had to kiss the ring.
18:53
Speaker 1: Well yeah, he had to kiss the ring the call
18:57
Speaker 1: mister Preston to apologize like an Baker did on her
19:01
Speaker 1: second album track number one and you.
19:05
Speaker 2: Have a bit.
19:05
Speaker 1: Well, so my question to you is this, though, when
19:10
Speaker 1: you knew it was him on the phone, did you
19:13
Speaker 1: roll the eyes in the back of your head, like,
19:16
Speaker 1: y'all are not about to have this man come back
19:18
Speaker 1: and create some drama.
19:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, because honestly, it was two things. I was like,
19:24
Speaker 2: this could be a genuine apology. No, actually, I think
19:27
Speaker 2: it's two things together. It was a genuine apology in
19:30
Speaker 2: some instance, Like the apology was a lot better than
19:32
Speaker 2: what I ever thought he could deliver, if I'm being real.
19:34
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, like that's a that's a start.
19:38
Speaker 2: And I knew he was trying to make his way back,
19:40
Speaker 2: you know, I am not naive, like I was like,
19:42
Speaker 2: I know exactly what this is. But as long as
19:45
Speaker 2: we're able to have a conversation, like, honestly, at that point,
19:48
Speaker 2: for me, what else do I want? Like, so long
19:51
Speaker 2: as you make a commitment to not be that shitty
19:54
Speaker 2: you know, pun intended, we're good. Like we're good. Obviously
19:59
Speaker 2: the other guys didn't feel that way. But the thing is,
20:02
Speaker 2: fil I an't going to be friends, like you know,
20:05
Speaker 2: it's just like, okay, we can co exist, that's kind
20:07
Speaker 2: of it. But I really believe in giving grace like
20:10
Speaker 2: that is just how I grew up. That's who I am.
20:13
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, so long that you didn't do
20:15
Speaker 2: anything to really harm me, we can figure it out.
20:19
Speaker 2: Like even if that means just you us drinking together.
20:23
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know if I think the apology
20:24
Speaker 2: was that genuine per se, but he didn't have to
20:28
Speaker 2: give it, and though I do believe he gave it,
20:31
Speaker 2: so he could, you know, be seeing.
20:35
Speaker 1: If he's back season three, because obviously, honey, if there's
20:39
Speaker 1: the season three you're back, just saying it, would you
20:43
Speaker 1: like him to be back?
20:45
Speaker 2: I'm okay if he doesn't come back, Like, I think,
20:47
Speaker 2: there are so many single, attractive black men who are
20:52
Speaker 2: not as toxic, who could do a great job. But
20:56
Speaker 2: you know what, I think we all got a little
20:58
Speaker 2: bit of toxicity in this US. I just think his
21:01
Speaker 2: came across a little bit quicker. What you know that's
21:04
Speaker 2: toxic though, Preston, look, well you know that makes your
21:08
Speaker 2: reality TV. Not everything could be seen. So there were
21:13
Speaker 2: there were parts where I was like, I don't like this,
21:16
Speaker 2: and it reminds me too much of like these straight
21:20
Speaker 2: men when I was growing up who made sure I
21:22
Speaker 2: was uncomfortable, and I'm like, and I don't like this.
21:24
Speaker 1: Oh really okay, I.
21:26
Speaker 2: Mean, which was part of the reason why I even
21:28
Speaker 2: wanted to have the conversation, which frankly is why I
21:31
Speaker 2: was so frustrated with the conversation he had with Bria
21:34
Speaker 2: after the fact, because I actually told the entire house
21:38
Speaker 2: how I felt as a gay man, and I'm just like,
21:40
Speaker 2: most of y'all won't understand this, and that's no shade,
21:42
Speaker 2: like you're not gay. So I get that something's kind
21:45
Speaker 2: of flower your head certain words you don't understand the
21:47
Speaker 2: meaning of. And I was like, but this makes me uncomfortable.
21:50
Speaker 2: So after the fact, when I heard the conversation, like,
21:53
Speaker 2: can't no grown ass man be that upset? I know, right,
21:56
Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, now I don't trust you, Like
22:00
Speaker 2: there were so many things in that moment that made
22:02
Speaker 2: me really frustrated. Then I'm like, all right, I'm gonna
22:05
Speaker 2: have to wash my hands clean of this and start
22:06
Speaker 2: looking at people differently.
22:08
Speaker 1: Now I get it, okay.
22:10
Speaker 3: Going to Mariah black Twitter is funny because when Maria
22:15
Speaker 3: was sitting home child, I was floored with black Twitter saying, no,
22:22
Speaker 3: this is effed up.
22:23
Speaker 1: We want her back. Team Mariah like the she has
22:27
Speaker 1: a lot of supporters of people, And it made because
22:31
Speaker 1: again when I watch shows Preston, I go on Twitter
22:35
Speaker 1: and I'm always looking like what other people saying because
22:38
Speaker 1: I like to take the brain of salt at times.
22:41
Speaker 1: But I thought it was funny because I said, Oh,
22:42
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we don't what what she's about it, we.
22:47
Speaker 2: Want to see it.
22:49
Speaker 1: When it comes to Mariah, what are your thoughts on
22:52
Speaker 1: her and should she get a second chance season three?
22:57
Speaker 2: This is easy for me and the answer is yes. Like,
23:00
Speaker 2: first of all, Marian and I do have a really
23:01
Speaker 2: good relationship and actually we're kind of from around the
23:05
Speaker 2: same neative Nekata would so like, I know people like
23:09
Speaker 2: her very well, and it is the diamond and the rough,
23:14
Speaker 2: but it's also the underdog, and I really really love
23:16
Speaker 2: an underdog. I think Mariah also, to be honest, is
23:20
Speaker 2: her story to tell. But she was just going through
23:22
Speaker 2: a lot when we were like initially during the first summer,
23:25
Speaker 2: and so I do think it was her time to leave,
23:28
Speaker 2: maybe not for what happened like but the situation itself,
23:32
Speaker 2: but she she just needed to go and be with herself,
23:35
Speaker 2: incent to herself, and so I don't think she really
23:38
Speaker 2: got a chance to show just how fucking dope she is,
23:42
Speaker 2: and that is that is really what I would love
23:44
Speaker 2: to see. Like she's funny, she can dress nice body,
23:48
Speaker 2: like good spirit, like, I think Mariah is truly a
23:50
Speaker 2: great person, and I really do want her to have
23:52
Speaker 2: that chat. So I do too.
23:53
Speaker 1: I love Mariah. I was like, no, bring her back.
23:55
Speaker 1: I was glad to hear her come back to I
23:58
Speaker 1: think Mariah is has potential to be a great reality star,
24:03
Speaker 1: and I'd love to see her get another chance to
24:06
Speaker 1: really play with you. With you guys, would you like
24:09
Speaker 1: to have another queer person on the show with you?
24:13
Speaker 2: I would, I would, But you know what's funny, it's
24:16
Speaker 2: not even a bud. I one hundred percent would like one.
24:19
Speaker 2: But I know people and there will try to be
24:21
Speaker 2: people who try to, of course stirve the mess with
24:23
Speaker 2: two gay people like that is just like again, I
24:26
Speaker 2: am not naive, so like that's not very much. Already
24:30
Speaker 2: know some of the things that could potentially happen. But
24:33
Speaker 2: the truth is I get along mostly with everybody all
24:36
Speaker 2: the time. Like that's not like until you like until
24:41
Speaker 2: you are funny and you want me to be hilarious.
24:43
Speaker 2: I'm good, but I am just an easy going person.
24:47
Speaker 2: But I would love, love love another queer person, queer woman,
24:50
Speaker 2: queer man, like just someone who I don't have to
24:53
Speaker 2: explain everything with someone I guess who can share the
24:56
Speaker 2: burden of being the accountability partner, since apparently that gets
24:59
Speaker 2: put on us. That is what I would love.
25:01
Speaker 1: No, I would love that too. I think that'll be
25:05
Speaker 1: Listen to me. I've given Hey, guys, I'm giving you
25:08
Speaker 1: all some advice per season for your time. I want
25:10
Speaker 1: to talk about Amir's girlfriend.
25:14
Speaker 2: I knew it.
25:15
Speaker 1: People are saying on Twitter that Amir's girlfriend clearly likes
25:19
Speaker 1: black men, but they don't know if she knows how
25:21
Speaker 1: to foreign friendships with black women. A lot of things
25:25
Speaker 1: we've been seeing with her that appears to be a
25:27
Speaker 1: little interesting about her behavior and comments. What are your
25:32
Speaker 1: thoughts on her?
25:33
Speaker 2: I really can't speak because I really don't know her well.
25:38
Speaker 2: So I think that may have been my third time
25:40
Speaker 2: meeting her, so I can't really speak to her politics
25:44
Speaker 2: or anything like that, just who she is. I can
25:46
Speaker 2: be honest because my thing is I study culture, gender
25:50
Speaker 2: and sexuality, like race, gender sexuality. So even watching it back,
25:55
Speaker 2: I pringised on quite a few moments. There were just
25:58
Speaker 2: some moments that I hated to watch, honestly, and Candice
26:04
Speaker 2: and I did an Instagram live about this because you know,
26:06
Speaker 2: a lot of viewers kept commenting, and it was clear
26:09
Speaker 2: that they had some feelings. And I know folks get
26:13
Speaker 2: really frustrated with people using the word microaggressions, but if
26:17
Speaker 2: there's the white person touching the black person's hair, if
26:19
Speaker 2: there are particular comments like that, I imagine she's not
26:24
Speaker 2: doing well left for seeing in some of the comments.
26:26
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of comments. I've stumbled on them myself,
26:29
Speaker 2: but I really do and I'm not even just saying this,
26:31
Speaker 2: but I really do hope there's a pause for introspection,
26:34
Speaker 2: like everybody ain't lying on you, and there has to
26:36
Speaker 2: be like something where you're like, man, I'm messed up,
26:39
Speaker 2: Like there's something I did that triggered people. There's things
26:42
Speaker 2: I didn't even know I was doing, probably, and I
26:45
Speaker 2: just I want people to get there.
26:47
Speaker 1: Have you heard from a mirror about how he's been feeling.
26:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I think he just doesn't understand
26:55
Speaker 2: really and I'm trying to like talk to them about why,
26:59
Speaker 2: like what is going on, you know, because the mirror
27:02
Speaker 2: has admitted from last season especially, he's admitted that he
27:05
Speaker 2: doesn't really have like a lot of black friends in Texas,
27:08
Speaker 2: et cetera. So there are things naturally, I figure he
27:12
Speaker 2: wouldn't understand, like my life is black folks all the time, right, Like, so, like,
27:17
Speaker 2: I give that there are some things naturally we grew
27:18
Speaker 2: up differently. I grew up in all black environments, you know,
27:21
Speaker 2: et cetera. But there's so I can spot it instantly,
27:25
Speaker 2: things that I know he may kind of struggles spotting
27:27
Speaker 2: you through. So I'm not trying to like hold his
27:29
Speaker 2: hand through it, but I have to like respect that
27:32
Speaker 2: he's like, I actually don't know what's happening, and I'm like,
27:35
Speaker 2: y'all messed up. And here's why, like friend and a friend,
27:38
Speaker 2: I have to tell you, like, this is what's going on,
27:40
Speaker 2: and this is you. You should address it and not
27:43
Speaker 2: be so defensive, and here's how you take steps to
27:45
Speaker 2: address it.
27:45
Speaker 1: No, I'm glad of you said that, because you know,
27:48
Speaker 1: that's what I love about this show too, because I
27:49
Speaker 1: feel like one thing you guys do well is you
27:53
Speaker 1: hold each other accountable and try to explain the situation,
27:57
Speaker 1: and you guys addressed things hit on. So I'm hopeing
28:01
Speaker 1: that Ameyor and his girlfriend at least understand is based
28:04
Speaker 1: on one thing. Listen, the beauty of television is you
28:08
Speaker 1: get to watch yourself and be like, oh, I was
28:11
Speaker 1: like that. You know, like you said, some introspection that
28:15
Speaker 1: could happen, And my hope is that they both feel
28:17
Speaker 1: that way too. What I loved about this season two
28:21
Speaker 1: was your choice into really diving more to your personal life.
28:25
Speaker 1: My condolen says to you about your father, Do you
28:29
Speaker 1: have any regrets not going to the funeral?
28:33
Speaker 2: No? No, and in fact, because honestly, the relationship with
28:37
Speaker 2: my father's son is even worse. I know it was
28:40
Speaker 2: the right decision. Like it's not good and it's not
28:44
Speaker 2: even better based on the show you think the episode. Oh,
28:48
Speaker 2: I just think they all need some couch time, and
28:53
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to invest in it. So
28:55
Speaker 2: you know, it's best for me to just distance myself
28:58
Speaker 2: from whatever is going on account.
29:01
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that.
29:02
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate that.
29:03
Speaker 1: What I love though I love your fiance.
29:08
Speaker 2: Me too.
29:09
Speaker 1: These seems so sweet and just like super supportive of you.
29:17
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that because one thing, and I'm
29:20
Speaker 1: sure you've seen a lot of this, one thing we
29:21
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of on television is black queer relationship.
29:28
Speaker 1: When it comes to two black men, you know a
29:31
Speaker 1: lot of people on social media they feel like when
29:34
Speaker 1: a black man enters the space of Hollywood, when a
29:37
Speaker 1: gay black man, excuse me, in terms the space of Hollywood,
29:41
Speaker 1: they're never with a black man. So the representation that
29:44
Speaker 1: you showed with just bringing him on, I thought was great,
29:48
Speaker 1: not just for us to see it, but like it
29:50
Speaker 1: was just great for representation. Were you conscious of that
29:54
Speaker 1: when you decided to show that part of your life.
29:58
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was. But also I will never and have
30:01
Speaker 2: never dated anyone but black men, So like I'm just like,
30:05
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like I just it's too much to explain.
30:08
Speaker 2: I can't. I am not doing it. So but so
30:12
Speaker 2: that part was like, oh, I mean clearly. What's funny
30:14
Speaker 2: was some people tweeted me people are shady. They were
30:18
Speaker 2: like who this is? I was so nervous I thought
30:20
Speaker 2: pressing it was gonna be with a white man. I
30:25
Speaker 2: was like, what I said, do you even know anything
30:27
Speaker 2: about me? And they were like no. But but to
30:29
Speaker 2: your point, they were like, when we do see black
30:32
Speaker 2: gayment on TV, you know they do have a non
30:34
Speaker 2: black partner usually, So I was very conscious of that.
30:37
Speaker 2: But to be honest, Donald truly is the sweetest thing
30:40
Speaker 2: like when Nick said Donald is the happiest person he knows,
30:43
Speaker 2: like it is true, like he is always happy, like
30:47
Speaker 2: and so you know, even when even the moments where
30:50
Speaker 2: we were like, okay, is this is this worth a debate?
30:52
Speaker 2: Probably not. Let's just let's order some food, but that
30:55
Speaker 2: is really just us, like we you know, we don't
30:58
Speaker 2: really I know, people probably think it's weird. We just
31:00
Speaker 2: don't really argue like that because it's like what why.
31:03
Speaker 2: We also have like a twenty four hour rule where
31:05
Speaker 2: it's like I am if I'm actually like, let's take
31:08
Speaker 2: twenty four hours and if I'm no longer angry, then
31:10
Speaker 2: it was probably me and not you. Right, There's like
31:14
Speaker 2: these different moments where it's like okay, you know, because
31:16
Speaker 2: you're going into a relationship, it's two different people joining together.
31:20
Speaker 2: You're bringing all your stuff in with you, you know,
31:23
Speaker 2: so you're being triggered every day by small things, especially
31:26
Speaker 2: when you move together. There's so many things that could happen.
31:30
Speaker 2: But all that to say, I'm just grateful to like
31:34
Speaker 2: for people to see our relationship, right, Like you don't
31:37
Speaker 2: obviously get to see like the ins and outs, but
31:40
Speaker 2: just the visibility of two black gay men kissing on TV.
31:44
Speaker 2: It means a lot.
31:46
Speaker 1: No, it does, it does, And I love that you're
31:50
Speaker 1: showing that. And like I said, he just seems so
31:53
Speaker 1: sweet and me and you are alike in the sense
31:56
Speaker 1: of like big personalities when we walking to him. Really
32:00
Speaker 1: we own it. We just have that quality and the
32:03
Speaker 1: partner that works best for people like you and I
32:07
Speaker 1: are reserved. They're like, this is your thing. They're the
32:12
Speaker 1: voice of reason in our lives.
32:14
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'll be like, tell you
32:17
Speaker 2: what he was. Okay, relax first, but you know it's funny.
32:22
Speaker 2: Donald is an introvert. But when I tell you, no
32:25
Speaker 2: one turns up like Donald, though, he will turn up
32:28
Speaker 2: and they will be knocked out right in the couch
32:29
Speaker 2: like you saw like that. That is really him threw
32:34
Speaker 2: it through. But that is why I love him. He
32:35
Speaker 2: is very supportive, Like he made it clear like we
32:38
Speaker 2: were dating a couple of years before the show even
32:41
Speaker 2: came up for either one for me especially, but eventually
32:44
Speaker 2: for us, and so this was not part of our journey.
32:48
Speaker 2: And so honestly, he could have been like, I'm good
32:50
Speaker 2: if this is the direction you want to take and
32:52
Speaker 2: take it, but I don't want to be public in
32:54
Speaker 2: this way, but he didn't. He was just like, if
32:57
Speaker 2: this is the journey you want to go on, let's
32:59
Speaker 2: go it together and we'll figure it out together. And
33:02
Speaker 2: so that's what I really appreciate. So when he came on,
33:05
Speaker 2: he made clear like I'm just here to have fun,
33:07
Speaker 2: Like keep me out of the mess, keep me out
33:10
Speaker 2: of the drama. I'm here to have fun.
33:13
Speaker 1: I love that is all of your cast members invited
33:17
Speaker 1: to your wedding.
33:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually right now they will be, but things can shift.
33:23
Speaker 2: And I but you know, I say that because I really,
33:29
Speaker 2: no matter how much shade we throw, no matter how
33:31
Speaker 2: much like people, I mean only two people may have
33:34
Speaker 2: some feelings about me right now, to be honest, like
33:36
Speaker 2: I'm close with the vast majority of my castmates, but
33:39
Speaker 2: even then for me, it's stuff like that is so temporary,
33:42
Speaker 2: Like the anger is so temporary that it's like I
33:44
Speaker 2: would hate to make this lifelong decision of memorying of
33:48
Speaker 2: us remembering each other at my wedding, at our wedding,
33:52
Speaker 2: then like rest on this like temporary moment, Like it
33:55
Speaker 2: just doesn't feel healthy and it doesn't feel mature. So yes,
33:59
Speaker 2: right now, everyone is about it.
34:01
Speaker 1: Okay, last question, you take your first reunion? Yes, Now, look, honey,
34:12
Speaker 1: as a reality TV fan like you are to have
34:17
Speaker 1: a reunion, I'm pretty sure you was like okay, because
34:20
Speaker 1: you understand the assignment. Now keep it real with your boy.
34:25
Speaker 1: You're a big Did you go in with some rehearse reads?
34:31
Speaker 2: I did not. I can answer that immediately. Listen, I'm
34:35
Speaker 2: a black day man. I don't need to rehearse, no reeds.
34:38
Speaker 2: So it's coming. It's coming. And in fact, what I
34:43
Speaker 2: can't say to you, Carlos is you know that I
34:46
Speaker 2: haven't rehearsed because if someone say something, I'm like what,
34:51
Speaker 2: it's very immediate, you know, you know?
34:56
Speaker 1: Okay, before I found out the reunion it is going
35:00
Speaker 1: to be at the clubhouse. Yeah, next say, Andy should
35:04
Speaker 1: be you and Jasmine because to me, y'all the force
35:08
Speaker 1: market flings.
35:08
Speaker 2: On the show.
35:09
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense.
35:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, besides herself?
35:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, who gave a great performance at the reunion? Like
35:19
Speaker 1: who who? Who? Are you lying?
35:21
Speaker 2: Okay, bitch? Yeah? Honestly, even though I think she was
35:26
Speaker 2: a little shady, I think Jasmine. Yeah, I think Jasmin.
35:32
Speaker 2: You know, if there's something I have to respect about someone,
35:35
Speaker 2: who is going to say the thing like, even if
35:39
Speaker 2: it feels shady or a little nasty, just as long
35:41
Speaker 2: as you can take it back right like I you know,
35:44
Speaker 2: and so I can't lie. At one point I was like, oh,
35:47
Speaker 2: that's what I was like, you know what, respect respect?
35:50
Speaker 2: Actually so but honestly, so, I think who did the
35:56
Speaker 2: best to be honest. Just what I'm remembering is I
36:00
Speaker 2: would say me, Jasmine, Noel, oh.
36:06
Speaker 1: Summer.
36:08
Speaker 2: Jean, what she was supposed to do? You know what
36:10
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I could be good or bad, but you know,
36:12
Speaker 2: she did not hold back. That's what I'll say. She
36:14
Speaker 2: did not hope that those are the ones and I
36:17
Speaker 2: think and I think I appreciate it. I will say,
36:19
Speaker 2: the conversation between Jordan and Jasmine, Yeah, I don't gain.
36:24
Speaker 2: I don't know how everything's gonna look and people gonna feel,
36:26
Speaker 2: but I think it was the start of a healthy conversation.
36:30
Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets like doing reality television? Like
36:34
Speaker 1: you're famous?
36:35
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. No, Yeah, I mean maybe
36:38
Speaker 2: like a C plus lister, but like I know you
36:43
Speaker 2: want down the street now, Preston, Oh my god, yes,
36:46
Speaker 2: And it is even the cast makes a joke about
36:48
Speaker 2: this too, because I guess because I have the most
36:51
Speaker 2: consistent aesthetic, So like you'll always see me with the hat,
36:54
Speaker 2: maybe some shades. People like the joke is always they'll
36:57
Speaker 2: probably notice Preston first, and then they'll notice us if
37:01
Speaker 2: we're around each other and that and that. So like
37:04
Speaker 2: when we were all just in New York, when I
37:06
Speaker 2: tell you we got stopped so much, like it was
37:11
Speaker 2: honestly the sweetest thing. But I don't think I've ever
37:14
Speaker 2: experienced as much love as I got until I went
37:17
Speaker 2: to Philly. It was wild. I'm not like, shout out
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Speaker 2: to Philly for real, because this is around the same time.
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Speaker 2: It was mostly like DC or Philly Black Pride. Pam relays.
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Speaker 2: When I tell you, there was one moment it was
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Speaker 2: four black women in the car and they were stopped
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Speaker 2: at a red light. I was crossing the street to
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Speaker 2: walk back to my hotel. Someone rolled down in one
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Speaker 2: It was like that and literally I ran over to
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Speaker 2: their car and they were just taking pictures like with
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Speaker 2: me outside the car. It was the sweetest moment. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's It's been so much love and I've been so grateful.
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Speaker 2: But here's the thing, right, I didn't have to get
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Speaker 2: picked for TV. There's something that truly saw me. There's
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Speaker 2: something that Bravo on me, and you know, and honestly,
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Speaker 2: I can be very I think if you just looked
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Speaker 2: at my resume, there's no way to do would make
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Speaker 2: sense for me. And so I'm just grateful they saw
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Speaker 2: beyond the accolades right and saw if there's someone who
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Speaker 2: could be dynamic and funny and yes, occasionally shady, but
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Speaker 2: like someone who just felt relatable and that just meant
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Speaker 2: a lot to me.
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