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The. Hello there everyone.
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Welcome to GOD TV Radio. Hope you enjoyed that jamming
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intro. I of course am TTOR and right
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here to my wait to my left is none other than Brett Keene.
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Say hello, Brett. Hey, you don't have to say left
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or right. Just say to my omniscience.
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See what I mean to my omniscience.
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Oh yeah, I can't tell my directions anymore.
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Must be catching up with me, my tender old age of my early 30s.
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All good. Well, it's late at night, man,
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At least for me. So it happens.
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It happens. And I did have a long day of
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working. My normal job as ATV producer
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basically worked from 9:30 to 7:00.
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So yay, it gave. Me an hour going for you, by the
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way. How's it been doing for you?
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Good. I got into the rhythm of how
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they were doing things, and now I'm in the process of making
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their shows and stuff better. Basically new intros, new outro
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credits, new lower thirds. Basically a way to make their
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program feel more like an epic drama rather than just like a
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typical church, you know, message or service you know, on
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a live stream. I was inspired in particular by
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the voice overs from all the episodes of Young and the
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Restless that my mom's been watching my entire life and
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beyond. Especially like the very
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beginning where they're like coming up on The Young and the
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Restless. So I got an AI voice to say
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coming up on Crossfire TV and then it launches into a preview
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clip of the message that they're going to.
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To get into. I'll tell you what, Young and
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the Restless had a pretty decent theme song too.
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Remember that soft piano? Oh yeah.
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Yeah, I only know it because my mom watches it almost without
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fail on a 5-6 day a week basis. That's still going.
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Oh yeah, they're still putting out new episodes.
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Still. Goodness gracious, I'm a bold
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and beautiful type myself. I I keep telling my mom that
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they should just call the show the perpetually young and the
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perpetually restless. They never stop being young and
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restless. Even when the characters from
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the old seasons get old, they got a whole new group to replace
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them, whose apparently every bit is restless and young.
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So yeah. Looks like our buddy Dark Moon's
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with us. Apparently General Hospital is
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what his aunt watched. I never watched that at all.
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Yeah, that intro was pretty tight and everything.
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I do have to ask, So what kind of fox was that?
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None of the foxes in my area and we got a lot of them, have that
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big of boobs. He was using AI art, yeah, he
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made that for quarter and he gave me permission to run that
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on the show. So that's why we saw that that
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wasn't part of my normal intro. No, that's cool, man.
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That's cool. Yeah, although he did inspire me
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to possibly do my own version of that.
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I just got to figure out the best way to do it.
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Oh, apparently she's not just an AI creation, she's a character
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from one of his novels. Well, that would explain it.
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A darkman's going to have to come in sometime.
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Talk to us about that. Yeah, he said his recording set
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his set up for like being part of live streams is no go until
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April, when he gets enough money to get a whole new set up.
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That works. Can't even use just a mic.
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I don't know. It's up to him.
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But anyway, before we get into the main subject of tonight's
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podcast, I would like to encourage all of you watching
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this right now, especially those of you watching the restream on
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Brett Keene's YouTube channel. I would highly encourage you.
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No, I would implore you. To go subscribe to Brett's
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Rumble channel, I know Brett has his Spotify radio station, and
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you should also do that there because he puts literally
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everything from the past and present onto that.
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But as far as a social media video sharing site, that's less
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censorious than YouTube and still has the potential to reach
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people in terms of numbers. Rumble is where you should be
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subscribing to Brett AT and you can see his channel right there
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on the screen. Brett Keene show pretty
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straightforward. You go scrolling through his
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channel and you can see that and as the videos get older they
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start popping the view counts. Especially this one here with
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over 1000 views and that one there with over 350 and.
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These all older videos have good view counts relative to his
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channel size of 19 Subs. So help Brett grow on Rumble and
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subscribe to him there, check out his videos there, Encourage
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him to put all his videos there as well as on his radio station.
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That's all I got to say. Well there there's actually 4
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channels that I've made on Rumble and one of them is called
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I Hate YouTube officially. And that actually is synced up
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with YouTube. It's got almost all of them on
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there. I see, yeah.
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You might want to rename that Channel so people can know it's
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you a little easier. Yeah, you know all the links
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will be found on the description of the videos.
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It's all good. All right.
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So now that we've gotten the essentials out of the way, you
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know, the quarter commercial, the banging intro.
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Encouraging you to go sub to Brett on Rumble.
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Now we get into the fun part, or at least what I consider the fun
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part of the oh, hold on a minute, Dark moon, says Rumble.
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Looks like it's got that same annoyance of not matching likes
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and dislikes with views that huge tube has.
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Yeah, that happened a lot back in Rumble's younger years and.
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On my channel, I haven't really noticed that occurring at all,
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but I guess it still happens in some cases where you'd get like
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10 views on a rumble video, but your video would have like 27
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likes and five dislikes. I remember seeing that in the
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early days of my Rumble channel and I'm like, OK, either they're
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deleting a lot of views or something's wrong.
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Thanks. Bring that up, darkman.
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But today we're going to be talking about atheist churches.
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And no, that's not a parody. That's not satire.
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That's not some kind of joke. I'm talking literal atheist
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churches. And if we get time later, Brett
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will talk about the connection between atheism and the Satanic
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Church. But I'm not even talking about
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that. I'm talking about literal
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atheist churches. But before I show you all the
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articles I have lined up on my browser that we're going to go
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through documenting these atheist churches, I need to show
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you guys a little challenge that the atheist YouTube professor
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Stick laid out years ago. He laid out this challenge in a
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video that you're about to see on screen.
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This video is called, Apparently, Atheists Worship to
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Gods. He put it out six years ago.
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Allegedly. Looks like he was right.
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He put it out 6 1/2 years ago and is at the minute 47 second
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mark where we see Professor Stick layout a challenge for the
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atheist. The first thing that they
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worship is the God of self. Looks like I guessed one right?
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That's really stupid. You know, nobody worships
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himself as God. What the fuck?
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What? You're claiming that there are
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people who are just like, welp, look at that.
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I'm God, I can do whatever I want, and I have magical powers
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and shit. No, nobody does that.
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Well, I don't want to make an absolute claim here.
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I assume that what you're saying is since people don't believe in
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a deity that rules over them, they must think that they have
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no boundaries. And then from some magical
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religious logic, you somehow think that that's the same thing
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as worshipping themselves as God.
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Ah, that's ridiculous. If you honestly think atheists
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worship themselves as God, then you got another thing coming for
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you. See, religious people gather in
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churches and pray with candles and shit.
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Let me know when you see an atheist build a fucking church
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and like thousands of candles while kneeling before a picture
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of himself. Then we'll talk.
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So get back to Professor Stick. When you have atheists creating
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churches, that's a very interesting challenge.
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Brad, I don't know about you, but I think I'm inspired.
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Is this guy? Is he popular or something?
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Is he important? 200,000 Subs, which is more than
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most of the atheist Youtubers that I've ever made.
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Videos. And he doesn't realize that the
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first Atheist church, Actual atheist church opened up in the
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1800s. And there's literally dozens and
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dozens and dozens of churches that are open.
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Guess he's never heard of Madeleine O'Hare before.
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Apparently not, but because he told us to get back to him.
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I guess, I know it's six years later, but I guess we better get
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back to him. So first up on the dock and I
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got this BBC News article from February 2013 titled What
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Happens at an Atheist Church? And we even got a nice little
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picture here of what it looks like.
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I mean, it looks like it's taking place in an actual church
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with religious symbols, and you got a projector screen set up
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with some kind of math equation on it and.
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I see some sound equipment and I see a guy speaking and Oh my
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gosh, there's an audience 00 and I see like a set up for music
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and stuff. It's almost like a Christian
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Church. And according to the caption,
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he's given a science lecture at the Sunday Assembly, which is
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the name of this particular one. But let's let's read, because
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reading is fun and knowledge is power.
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An atheist church in North London is proving a big hit with
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non believers. Does it feel a bit like a new
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religion? No, I will give you that idea.
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Not many sermons include the message that we are all going to
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die and there is no afterlife. But the Sunday Assembly is no
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ordinary church service. Launched last month as a
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gathering for non believers, it is in the words of the master of
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ceremonies, Sanderson Jones. Part foot stomping show, part
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atheist church, all celebration of life, a congregation of more
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than 300 crowd into the shell of a deconsecrated church to join
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the celebration on Sunday morning.
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Instead of hymns, the non faithful get to their feet to
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sing along to Stevie Wonder and Queen songs.
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There is a reading from Alice in Wonderland and a PowerPoint
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presentation from a particle physicist Dr. Harry Cliff, who
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explains the origins of antimatter theory.
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It feels like a stand up comedy show.
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Jones and Co founder PIPA Evans trade banter and whip the crowd
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up like the veterans of the stand up circuit that they are.
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But there are more serious moments.
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The theme of the morning is wonder, a reaction, explains
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Jones, to criticism that atheists lack a sense of it.
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So we bow our heads for two minutes of contemplation about
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the miracle of life. Then, in his closing serpent,
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Jones speaks about how the death of his mother influenced his own
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spiritual journey to get the most out of every second, aware
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that life is all too brief and nothing comes of it.
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So basically, you have an atheist Church of 300 strong, at
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least back then. And they literally, they'd get
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together, they'd sing songs, they'd listen to a guy, give a
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sermon slash presentation, they take a moment to contemplate, I
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pray, and then, you know, have the usual fellowship afterwards.
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I don't know about you, Brett, but that's like every Christian
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Church I've ever been to, and I've been to a lot.
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The only difference is they don't pretend to worship God.
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Well, what's fascinating too, it's not just the church
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junction. I mean, you've been in some of
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my live shows where we've actually had an atheist.
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You do have some kind of view of spirituality and actually
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believe in ghost. Some of them actually believe in
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an afterlife. But who made it?
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Who generated it? They don't have an answer for
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it. Yeah.
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I mean, the Bible does teach that eternity is set in our
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hearts. And so I think that's why even
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you can find among atheists those who have, like a spiritual
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journey or like they feel like a spiritual draw, to pursue
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something that's greater than matter and energy in the five
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senses. You know what I mean?
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Do you like me to give you an example of a super popular
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atheist church that really got a lot of views in the news?
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Sure go. Ahead the People's Temple, Jimmy
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Jones. Yeah, Reverend Jimmy Jones.
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Yeah, it's funny too, because people who don't know any
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better, when they hear that, they think it was some kind of
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Christian cult spin off, but they don't realize he was an
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atheist. Oh, there's video footage out
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there of him slamming the Bible down and calling God a sky daddy
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and demanding that his congregation stomp on the Bible
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and all that. For those out there that don't
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know, he's the guy that killed over 1000 non believers.
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You know how they always say. He drunk the kool-aid Mr.
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Religious Person. But no, It was 1000.
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Atheists said dead. I'm sorry, yeah.
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I mean, they'd like to think that they are beyond the control
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of superstition and religion, as they, you know, like to claim it
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does. But apparently they're more
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susceptible to it than we are. Or or at least just as, oh, here
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it is, Bubble Gum said. Atheists are intentionally to
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cover that up. That's why the informed ones
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never bring it up. I think he's saying that in
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relation to the whole Jim Jones thing.
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Yeah, well, how you doing there, bubble gum?
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I hope you're having a nice night.
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All right, let's queue up the next one, which is, I think it's
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this one. Yes, it is.
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So here we got an article from The Economist, which came out on
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May 16th, 2018, called The Elusive Phenomenon of Churches
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Without God. Say what?
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When a group sings, talks and bonds like a religion, but may
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not be one. I'm sorry.
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If you walk like a duck, Quack like a duck, and behave exactly
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like a duck, you're a duck. So when you sing like a
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religion, you talk like a religion and you bond like a
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religion. I think you're a religion but
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oh, you cheater. Oh, well, I'm just going to skip
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this one because we're going to talk about that church later.
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So let's get into the next one, which I archived this one.
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So we are getting the full story on it.
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I think it's this one. Yes, this is AUSA Today article
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from 2013 November called Atheist Mega Churches Look for
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Non Believers. Now that is something that you
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would make you spit out your coffee if you're drinking any
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atheist. Not just atheist churches.
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Atheist mega churches. Apparently There's like the
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atheist version of Rick Warren, Oregon Joel Osteen out there.
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Bubblegum says at least admit their ideology as a religion.
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Well, they actually atheist did fight for it to be a religion
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and the courts have verified it. So it is officially religion.
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Not only that, they're tax exempt.
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If you're a part of that nonsense and you get tax
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exemption, it's a religion. Yep, I agree.
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And I did a video about that too, after you pointed that out
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in a video of your own few months back, Dark Moon says.
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I would say what they're craving is that relationship with God
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without actually including him. It's just a gathering of people
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like, yeah, we got to have that religious relationship with God,
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but not like that God guy. So that's just kick him out.
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And so let's make ourselves the focal point of this religious
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relationship. Anyway, back to this.
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It looked like a typical Sunday morning at any mega church.
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Hundreds packed in for more than an hour of rousing music and
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inspirational sermon, a reading and some quiet reflection.
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The only thing missing was God. Dozens of gatherings dubbed
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atheist mega churches by supporters and detractors are
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springing up around the US after finding success in Great Britain
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earlier this year. The movement, fueled by social
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media and spearheaded by two prominent British comedians, is
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no joke. On Sunday, the inaugural Sunday
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Assembly in Los Angeles attracted more than 400
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attendees, all bound by their belief and non belief.
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Oh God, that is so stupid when you say that similar gatherings
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in San Diego, Nashville, New York, and other U.S. cities have
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drawn hundreds of atheists seeking the camaraderie of the
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congregation without religion or ritual.
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Oh, I'm sorry folks, but you you have a religion.
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Don't try and mess that one up. You do.
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The founders, British duo Sanderson Jones and PIPA Evans,
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are currently on a tongue in cheek 40 Dates, 40 nights tour
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around the US and Australia to drum up donations and help
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launch dozens of Sunday assemblies.
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They hope to raise more than $800,000 that will help atheists
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launch their pop up congregations around the world.
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They don't bash believers, but want to find a new way to meet
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like minded people, engage in the community and make their
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presence more visible in the landscape dominated by faith.
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And what better way to do that than by becoming it?
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Yeah, and then let's see. I got a couple links for you as
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well, if you'd be interested in putting them up, if you wouldn't
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mind. We talked for a moment about
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this, but this even tells you that atheism is a religion and
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when one of the first in America was actually founded there does
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right there. A lot of people, I I don't know
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why they don't see the distinction.
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Maybe it's because it hasn't gotten enough press, but there
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you go. Just read the very top
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paragraph. You'll see it.
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Oh, I've got to get past the Wikimedia money grubbing.
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Oh boy. Damn, Griffin.
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We don't want to go public. They're losing money, in other
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words. Yeah, the very first pair of
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questions. So Brett sent me the you know
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what, let me, let me just leave this screen for a second and
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let's switch to the one Brett just sent me, because I don't
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see a harm in quoting Wikipedia. After all, anytime YouTube wants
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to claim that someone is putting out this information, they
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always put out a Wikipedia article on top of the video.
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So obviously Wikipedia is authoritative.
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Oh, I just love that damn Wikipedia first paragraph.
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Yep, Satanism is a group of ideological and philosophical
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beliefs based on Satan. Although several historical
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precedents exist, the contemporary religious practice
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of Satanism began with the founding of the atheistic Church
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of Satan by Anton Lavey in the United States in 1966.
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The Atheistic Church of Satan? Gee, I wonder what that was.
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If you go to if you go to the Satanic network or the Satanic
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Temple or the Satanic Church site, they all admit to be an
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atheist and doing their thing. So an atheist claim they're not
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associated with Satan on YouTube.
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Well, they are part of Satanism, so don't expect the truth
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exactly. Yeah, I don't think we even need
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to finish reading the rest of that paragraph, because I think
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the point was just made. Wikipedia says that Satanism was
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literally founded by atheists. Well, Levan, he's got videos out
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even though it was back in 19. What was it, 661969?
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Levan himself said he was an atheist and all of his members
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said that. So there ain't no way for
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atheists to get around that. Nope, no way around it at all.
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Here we go, Sunday Assembly, whose motto is Live better, help
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often, wonder more. Why would you do any of those
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things if there is no God? Whatever taps into that universe
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of people who left their faith but now miss the community that
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church provided, said Phil Zuckerman, a professor of
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secular studies at Peitzer College in Claremont.
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It also plays into a feeling among some atheists that they
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should make themselves more visible.
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For example, last December, an atheist in Santa Monica created
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an uproar and triggered A lawsuit when he set up a godless
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display amid Christian nativity scenes that were part of a
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beloved decades old tradition in the US.
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There's a little bit of a feeling that if you're not
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religious, you're not patriotic. I think a lot of secular people
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say, hey, wait a minute, we are charitable, we are good people,
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we're good parents, we're just as good citizens as you and
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we're going to start a church to prove it, said Zuckerman.
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It's still a minority, but there's enough of them now.
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So let me get this straight. You believe that you're good, as
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as good as we are, even though you believe in a worldview where
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good doesn't exist in a objective sense, and it's just
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subjective. And to prove that you're as good
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as you know we are, you're going to start a church to prove it.
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And you're going to model this church exactly after Christian
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Church services, minus the whole God part.
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Yeah, that's really going to show those Christians.
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And for those out there, Because eventually, inevitably, we're
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going to get some atheists who say, well.
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We don't believe in the supernatural and all that.
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Well, there actually is some atheists out there, and I just
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provided you the second link right there.
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It's Wikipedia again, the atheist gospel.
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So we can go with that, right? Yes, we will.
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But what you just said actually goes right into what I was about
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to read, as far as this whole atheist church thing back then
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went. That impulse, however, has
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raised the ire of those who've spent years pushing back against
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the idea The atheism itself is a religion.
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And I don't blame you guys. Because if you spend your whole
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time on the Internet trying to convince me and Brett Keene the
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atheism is not a religion, and then hundreds upon hundreds of
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your own brethren turn right around and start their own
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church and model it after Christian Church services, yeah,
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I think you'd be filled with ire as well.
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The idea that you're building an entire organization based on
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what you don't believe to me sounds like an offence against
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sensibility, said Michael Lucanio, a self-described
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atheist who was raised Roman Catholic but left when he became
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disillusioned. There's something not OK with
33:47
appropriating all of this religious language, imagery, and
33:50
ritual for atheists. Oh, wow.
33:54
You mean when atheism shows its true colors as the religion that
33:58
it actually is, you don't like it?
34:03
Apparently Christians are so evil that we're responsible for
34:07
all the problems in the world, but we're so good that they
34:11
steal our rituals and our church services and sometimes buildings
34:17
and basically copycat our church services.
34:20
It is odd, isn't it? Claim religion is evil.
34:23
Religion is the reason why there's so many problems in the
34:28
world is their claim. So what is the solution?
34:31
Make another religion. Yay.
34:34
And copy it. Exactly like Christian Church
34:36
services. Minus the God part.
34:39
Yeah, I'll show them so. Anyway, that sentiment didn't
34:45
seem to detract from the excitement Sunday at the
34:48
inaugural meeting in Los Angeles.
34:50
Hundreds of atheists and atheists, curious, packed into a
34:53
Hollywood auditorium for a boisterous service filled with
34:57
live music, moments of reflection, and an inspirational
35:01
talk, and some stand up comedy by Jones, the movement's Co
35:04
founder. During the service, attendees
35:07
stomp their feet, clap their hands, and cheered as Jones and
35:10
Evans led the group through rousing renditions of Lean On
35:13
Me, Here Comes the Sun and other hits that took the place of
35:16
gospel songs. Congregants dissolved into
35:20
laughter at a Get to Know You game that involved clapping and
35:23
slapping the hands of the person next to them and applauded as
35:26
members of the audience spoke about community service projects
35:29
they had started in LA. Once again, Brett, this sounds
35:33
exactly like a Christian Church service down to AT the only part
35:37
missing once again is the God part.
35:41
Other than that, it's a carbon copy of Christian Church
35:44
services. Oh, they got their own daycare
35:47
as well. Where the children learn about
35:49
their origin, they watch movies such as Planet of the Apes.
35:53
You know the dancing rocks at the end.
35:59
Volunteers passed cardboard boxes for donations as attendees
36:04
mingled over coffee and pastries and children played on the
36:07
floor. And what copycatting of a
36:09
Christian Church service would be complete without passing
36:12
around the Money Box or the donations?
36:16
Well, we see a lot of atheists doing that on the Internet,
36:19
don't we? Yeah, you got their own live
36:21
dream sermon. It's all good, but you know,
36:24
there's so many atheists out there that will claim that
36:26
Christians are greedy and they're all about the money,
36:28
especially those televangelists. And what do they do?
36:32
They not only copy our church services, but they even copy the
36:35
practice of passing around the offering plate.
36:39
Yep, and there you go. I mean down to ATI mean just.
36:45
The USA TODAY article in particular is especially
36:48
hilarious because you read about everything they do in this
36:51
atheist church and there's no difference between that and the
36:54
Christian Church service other than the God part.
36:57
It's just mind blowing to me. Even after all these years, the
37:01
atheists would behave in this way and then turn around and
37:04
claim we're not a religion. No, nothing to see here.
37:10
We just lack a belief in God. We're not religious at all.
37:13
Get back to us when you see an atheist make a church, you know.
37:18
That does inspire me though. For a nice skit, have like
37:22
Professor Stick in that clip of him speaking words like give
37:25
back to me when you see atheist starting a church and then you
37:29
cut to him with all these atheist churches and services
37:33
going on around him. Well, TTR, TTR, you know that
37:37
atheist church has been around for a long time.
37:40
We discussed that. But do you know what made it
37:42
officially a religion? Do you remember?
37:46
Was it that lawsuit that you made a video about and that I
37:49
made a video about the one involving prison groups?
37:52
Yeah, yeah, that's something you should probably tell folks
37:55
because they it may have been a while since people seen that.
37:58
Educate them on it. Yeah, well, I just may have to
38:03
find that after we go through this Time magazine article.
38:08
Just got to. Remember, I got the atheists who
38:12
like the ghosties in private chat for you.
38:15
All right, hold on. Let me get this on screen.
38:21
I do see 16 comments, so I better.
38:23
I better actually go through them like a good host.
38:25
You know what I mean? Oh gosh, Dark Moon.
38:33
That's probably a required to be a member of their clergy bubble
38:36
gun. Let's see.
38:41
And then he said in response to our reading about their services
38:44
are like the grifting carbon copy of a real church service,
38:50
even if it's missing its most important centerpiece.
38:55
Bubblegum makes a good point. If it's a religion, then it
38:58
shouldn't be taught the fairy tales that atheists believe in,
39:01
in schools such as evolution? Exactly.
39:04
We're not a religion until it's tax time.
39:12
Oh, that's so true and you were right.
39:16
What Bubblegum was saying and if atheism is actually a religion,
39:20
then when they teach evolution and billions of years in school,
39:23
they're literally pushing the origin story of a religion down
39:27
our throats, which apparently Christians are not allowed to do
39:30
because it's the origin story of a religion when we do it.
39:34
Very interesting. Not to get off topic or
39:39
anything, but they have been allowing atheists to go in and
39:42
talk about their views and schools as well as Muslims as of
39:46
late. So it's getting pretty rough,
39:50
especially when the Muslims start hearing the atheist say
39:53
things that contradict their religion and then fight back.
39:57
Then the atheists are like wait, oh, I thought we were allies
40:00
because we were united against the Christians.
40:02
What do you mean you're not for all the L GB, TQWTF rainbow
40:07
stuff? Yeah.
40:12
This this picture is really nice.
40:15
First of all, I mean ask the camaraderie, the fellowship of
40:18
non believers. On a clear, sunny July morning,
40:23
as churchgoers all around Houston take to their pews,
40:26
dozens of non believers are finding seats inside a meeting
40:30
room in a corporate Conference Center on the city's West side
40:34
to listen to a sermon about losing faith.
40:37
But first, there's the weekly community moment.
40:41
Remarks on a chosen topic delivered by the group's
40:43
executive director, this time focused on how we're hardwired
40:47
to read sensationalized news, as well as announcements about an
40:52
upcoming secular summer camp. Wait, wait, atheists are doing
40:56
summer camps now? Really.
40:58
What? What part of Christianity won't
41:00
you guys copy? Atheists have never come up with
41:04
an original idea. And this whole, you know,
41:08
announcement. That's also from Christian
41:12
Church services because as part of my job, I put together a
41:16
video where we take all of our announcement Flyers with all the
41:20
events that our church is doing, and we make it into a slideshow
41:23
in the beginning of the announcement video.
41:26
Then we have like a a live intro video in the middle and then it
41:30
ends with. And announcements video, where
41:32
we have people up on stage in a recorded video going over
41:36
specific events that are mentioned on the slideshow
41:39
earlier in the video showing the Flyers on screen and all that,
41:43
including, you know, camps and events.
41:46
I keep, I don't know, it's Time magazine, It's BBC News, USA
41:50
TODAY. No matter which legacy media
41:53
source I go to, it's all saying the same thing.
41:56
Atheist Church is not only a real they're modeled exactly
41:59
after Christian Church services in virtually every detail.
42:03
I mean, mind blown, guys, give me a moment to catch my breath.
42:10
Well, bubblegum has corrected me, said they did come up with
42:14
one idea that is unique of Christianity.
42:18
So right there, you didn't spell it properly, but you get the
42:21
point. There it is.
42:23
Hey, goodness gracious. I wonder how that started too,
42:27
at the first two guys are two ways.
42:29
He just looked at each other and said, Yep, let's do it.
42:32
Sounds like a plan. And then Darkman says their
42:38
version of the 10 Commandments are probably written on scraps
42:40
of bark with monkey scat. And genital mutilation.
42:47
Hey, I mean, if they're going to copy everything else Christian
42:50
Church does, let's go straight to the circumcision.
42:53
But then again, circumcision has medical benefits.
42:56
So really, I don't care if they do it.
42:59
Oh, they they do have the It's called transitioning.
43:03
Oh yeah, my mistake. I forgot.
43:06
It's totally kosher now. And atheism.
43:08
Oh, I can say that word, right? Kosher and atheism, in the same
43:17
sense I'm offending somebody somewhere.
43:18
Do you remember that? You remember for years they used
43:22
to go off about, you know, babies getting circumcised and
43:26
all that, and now they're all excited about people getting the
43:29
whole damn thing chopped off. I I know it's like that.
43:34
Used like 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, The stuff that's
43:38
being paraded and celebrated now.
43:41
Would not have been well received, put it lightly.
43:43
They would have been viewed as bizarre.
43:45
I would like to think, especially back in my high
43:47
school days in the late 2000s and like the early 20 tens,
43:51
which were my college years. But yeah, it's just, yeah,
43:56
you're right. I remember a day when this stuff
43:57
would have been shunned and now it's celebrated.
44:00
It's like, my God, you people have gotten so depraved.
44:04
So depraved. Exactly, exactly.
44:08
Now where were we? Oh, yes.
44:11
In between, a musician sings softly of Albert Einstein.
44:16
Weird that you're singing about Albert Einstein in the atheist
44:19
church when Albert Einstein wasn't even an atheist.
44:24
Yeah, that's one thing that they they obviously haven't read up
44:27
or educated. You know, one of my favorite
44:30
quotes. The more I study science, the
44:32
more I believe in God. Albert Einstein said that, Yep.
44:40
The men speaking before the assembled gathering, Executive
44:44
Director Mike Ayas, who regularly leads the group, and
44:47
Jerry DeWitt, a visitor who heads a similar gathering in
44:50
Louisiana, are both deeply familiar with the idea of Sunday
44:54
ritual. Just a few years ago, they were
44:57
Christian ministers active in the pulpit.
45:00
Today they're both non believers leading secular Sunday services.
45:05
So OK, OK, OK, so you didn't want to believe in God, but you
45:09
totally liked being a pastor leading a church service, So you
45:13
decide to do the atheist version of it, which is no different
45:17
than the Christian version, minus the belief in God.
45:20
Actually, that's a pretty seamless transition, Brad.
45:23
That might be a good career move on their part.
45:25
Well, it kind of answers the age-old question that atheists
45:28
used to ask all the time, right? Why is there so many different
45:31
religions? Why is there so many different
45:33
denominations? Because people like you didn't
45:35
like what was being talked about, decided to make up your
45:37
own deal. Exactly.
45:40
This is Houston Oasis. A church That's not a church,
45:44
dude. If it's a church, it's a church.
45:45
You can't have a church that's not a church, bro.
45:49
Especially when your services are literally carbon copies of
45:51
Christian services. It's a church.
45:54
It was started in September 2012 to foster community within
45:58
Houston Atheists, a group formed through the online social
46:01
networking portal Meet Up that claims to be the site's largest
46:05
association of atheists. Each Sunday, AS welcomes his
46:09
congregants at the door before leading them through many of the
46:12
motions of a religious service. While at least you're
46:14
acknowledging that they're literally copying Christian
46:17
Church services, there's music, meet and greet time, guest
46:21
speakers, and ASS message which is part of a.
46:24
Which is part Ted talk, part uplifting reflection on the
46:27
wonders of the world, this world around us.
46:30
But Oasis is careful not to get too churchy.
46:34
Well, I don't know. I mean, you've gotten so churchy
46:37
that I don't. I can't see a difference.
46:39
So there's music, but no congregational singing.
46:46
Well, that's different than the other ones we read about.
46:48
There's time to shake hands with your neighbor, but no moment of
46:51
silence. That's also apparently different
46:55
than the other ones we read about, because while it has all
46:58
of the markings of a church service, Oasis is designed to
47:01
appeal to those who long for the rituals of old time religion but
47:06
have lost faith in its doctrines.
47:08
So it's not that you don't like religion, you just don't like
47:12
that whole believing in a God who holds you accountable for
47:16
the way that you live your life part.
47:18
I guess that's the part you guys don't like when you're talking
47:20
about not liking its doctrines. Weird things, I know.
47:25
Just weird things. Totally coincidental.
47:28
I see Oasis is one of a growing number of so-called atheist
47:32
churches in the US. Most are connected to Sunday
47:35
Assembly, a london-based organization on a globetrotting
47:38
mission to launch 100 assemblies in 15 countries by the end of
47:42
the year. About a dozen are already
47:44
operating in the US. Almost twice as many are
47:47
planning to open and that shows you all the different cities.
47:52
Or are they? Sprang up and and oh, here we
47:54
go. The rise of atheist churches is
47:57
part of a growing willingness by many atheists to adopt secular
48:00
versions of religious practices. Well, I think there's still
48:05
religious practices when you do them.
48:08
It's also the result of more everyday non believers and even
48:11
clergy coming out as atheists and reflects a modest
48:15
mainstreaming of atheism across the US.
48:19
As one example, since a Supreme Court decision in May that
48:22
upheld prayer before town board meetings, non believers and
48:25
several communities have delivered the public invocations
48:28
after the court acknowledged atheist right to do so.
48:32
So you're not a religion, but then you take advantage of all
48:36
the rights that religions have. Weird.
48:40
Interesting. Have you heard the argument of
48:43
atheist including Aaron Ross? This is interesting.
48:46
They basically state that if Chris and kids are allowed to
48:50
pray in school, then atheists should be able to pray to Satan,
48:54
aren't it? But of course they'll turn
48:55
around in the same setting and say, oh, but we don't believe in
48:58
Satan, then why are you saying you're wearing to pray to Satan
49:01
for in front of other children? Doesn't make a lot of sense,
49:05
does it? No, it is not at all.
49:08
Let's see. Don't get too churchy.
49:13
God is catching. I like what Bubblegum pointed
49:18
out. Clergy coming as atheist, so
49:21
they are admitting they infiltrated churches.
49:24
Well, I mean that's that's one way of looking at it.
49:26
Sure, absolutely. Yeah.
49:28
It's the whole thing that you've been reading that shows that
49:32
they are. Some of them are even admitting,
49:34
or at least the journalist or writer of Time magazine is
49:37
saying, yeah, they adopted a lot of Christian rituals and and
49:42
views. And then this paragraph says.
49:48
But the very concept of an atheist church, and even the
49:51
term itself, is an anathema to many in the movement.
49:54
Some believe it's too much like the very thing they disavowed in
49:58
the 1st place. Exactly.
50:01
But see, that's the great irony, ladies and gentlemen.
50:05
Atheists swear on a I guess they can't swear on a stack of
50:08
Bibles. They'll swear that.
50:10
Oh no, we're not a religion. We're not religious at all.
50:12
We reject religion and the entire concept of it.
50:15
And yet they're so religious that they literally start church
50:19
services that are, well, they start atheist churches with
50:24
services that are literally carbon copies of Christian
50:27
Church services, minus the whole God part.
50:30
Including, you know, singing and a sermon slash presentation,
50:34
fellowship time passing around the offering plate, social
50:38
programs that allow people to get out and have fellowship
50:41
together and provide social services like churches do.
50:46
Oh yeah, you've disavowed religion while practicing all
50:50
the things you disavowed. Yeah, that's that's great.
50:56
That's right. Well, don't forget the link I
50:58
put in the private chat. This one will just cause you to
51:01
get up and do a dance. It's so silly.
51:04
Oh, don't worry, we're only 51 minutes in, so we're definitely
51:09
going to get to that, the second link you sent me.
51:12
But before we do, this is the part where you may be watching
51:16
your. Our stream at this point,
51:18
Thinking to yourself, OK, so you're reading all these
51:21
articles from 2013, 2014, 2018 talking about all these atheist
51:28
churches that exist, but but that was back then.
51:31
I mean, surely they realized how counterproductive it is to have
51:34
an atheist church because atheism is not a religion and
51:38
they folded up shop, right? Right.
51:42
Right guys. They.
51:44
Totally folded up shop, right? Wrong.
51:48
This here is the Seattle Atheist Church website.
51:52
It literally says welcome atheist agnostic skeptics.
51:56
You are all welcome here at Seattle Atheist Church.
51:59
We call ourselves an atheist church because you will never
52:02
hear anything supernatural promoted from the podium.
52:05
Well, other than evolution and billions of years and Big Bang
52:09
cosmology, and how there's allegedly no creator God behind
52:13
the whole thing. That'll get preached from the
52:15
podium, but yeah, that that creationism stuff, now, that
52:20
Bible stuff. Now let's see, what else do we
52:24
got here? I've actually never been to an
52:27
atheist church website, so this is all new to me, Brett, and
52:30
this is like my first time looking at it.
52:32
How about we go to FAQ? No, the mission.
52:38
They even have a creed. Oh, we're not religious at all,
52:42
but we have a mission statement and we even have a creed just
52:45
like Christian churches do. Seattle Atheist Church is a
52:51
place where atheists come together to do church to address
52:59
the big questions and celebrate meaningful life events with
53:03
atheist ritual. I thought you guys weren't
53:06
religious at all and that atheism wasn't a religion.
53:09
What do you mean there's atheist rituals?
53:13
And what was that about meaning and all that?
53:15
I thought they didn't believe in objective meaning and purpose.
53:19
I know, right? It's like, what the heck?
53:22
This is like the Twilight Zone, right?
53:25
We celebrate the values of atheism, critical thinking,
53:32
scientific naturalism. And secular ethics by teaching,
53:37
learning, and thoughtful discussion.
53:39
Critical thinking? Really.
53:41
That's a value of atheism. Is that why every time I go on
53:45
YouTube to the atheist community, they're all parroting
53:48
each other's words and they're all affirming each other's words
53:51
in the comments section? They're literally talking like
53:54
the Borg hive mind, but yet they're somehow the Critical
53:57
thinkers. Resistance is futile.
54:02
Scientific and naturalism apparently is a value, not a
54:05
world view. So this is odd.
54:08
Though what you just read though atheism by definition and the
54:12
atheist would be the first to tell us on the Internet.
54:15
It just means a lack of belief in deities.
54:18
But that's so. Then what's the value of it?
54:22
Yeah, those atheists need to contact the Seattle Atheist
54:25
Church and really get to the bottom of this whole thing.
54:27
We need to call them up right away and say, what do you mean
54:30
atheists have values? Get the hell out of here.
54:34
But let's get to the creed, because this kind of goes more
54:37
into that Seattle atheist church was founded on the principles of
54:42
scientific naturalism and secular ethics.
54:45
Truth claims are attempted here and we stand ready to revise our
54:49
thinking in light of new information.
54:52
Now this is where they should put an asterisk and say unless
54:56
the claims contradict evolution, billions of years, and Big Bang
55:01
cosmology, then we'll reject that and we won't revise our
55:03
thinking. They should add that asterisk
55:06
There we attempt to be excellent to other conscious beings.
55:11
We believe in good because good works in non mysterious.
55:19
He kind of reminds me when Richard Dawkins started debating
55:23
for the first time. He said atheists are gentle
55:26
people. We believe in good because good
55:30
works in honesty. What kind of tripe is this?
55:35
We believe in good. Good doesn't exist, bro.
55:38
It's subjective at best. What you consider good, others
55:42
consider evil. You know, kind of like how what
55:44
the Bible says is good you consider evil goes the other
55:48
way. That's right, atheist Jeffrey
55:51
Dahmer. That's right, atheist Jeffrey
55:53
Dahmer thought cannibalizing human beings was a good idea.
55:58
Ah, here we go. In order to be an atheist, all
56:03
that is required is to not believe in God's but, but, but,
56:07
but didn't you just say that scientific naturalism was one of
56:11
the values of atheism? Don't you have to, like, believe
56:14
in that to be an atheist? Am I missing something here?
56:21
Brett is there like, I'm like world view to me, their friend.
56:25
And it sounds like you actually have to believe in something
56:28
other than not believing in God's in order to be an atheist.
56:31
Because if you're telling me that scientific naturalism is a
56:34
value of atheism, that I I don't think.
56:39
Mere lack of belief in God's is enough to be an atheist.
56:42
Well, that's what we've talked about, haven't we, TTOR?
56:45
That's their positive assertion. That is their positive claim,
56:49
therefore putting themselves in a position of burden of proof.
56:55
Let's see, at Seattle Atheist Church, there is no requirement
56:59
to be a proclaimed atheist to join the church.
57:01
In addition to atheist, many church members self identify as
57:05
agnostic skeptic. Free thinker.
57:08
Yeah, right. Formerly religious, secular,
57:10
humanist or some other thing. Whatever you like to call
57:14
yourself, you are welcome here. And that's so loving and
57:20
tolerant. Once again, copying what a lot
57:23
of Christian Church services are like, especially my church that
57:26
I go to now because my pastor. And the church staff, they are
57:29
always encouraging people to come to services and to get
57:33
involved in our events that we do in our community outreaches.
57:36
And we always talk about how we have love for the people in our
57:40
community, which is why we do all these things.
57:42
So how are you guys at the Seattle Atheist Church any
57:47
different than the Christians you supposedly rejected and are
57:50
nothing like? I mean, how are you any
57:54
different? And what's the point of going to
57:57
an atheist church if it's just a carbon copy of a Christian
58:01
Church down to every dot and title?
58:04
I mean, at that point you're better off just going to
58:06
Christian churches because they're the original.
58:11
They're saying that's the way I like it.
58:13
I always like the original of everything.
58:17
Yep, FAQ. This is interesting.
58:21
I'm a plain and simple man. I don't like flavors in my tea.
58:27
Oh God, they're calling Albert Einstein, but we'll get to that
58:29
in a minute. FAQ, Who is welcome?
58:32
You are. No matter what you believe or
58:34
don't believe, you are welcome to attend our church.
58:37
Many of us were raised in households where we were taught
58:39
to believe in God, and we wish we'd found our way to a
58:42
community based on reason much sooner than we did.
58:46
So please come and join our community, whoever you are and
58:49
whatever you believe. I know a lot of really smart
58:54
people, Brett, including yourself, who believe in God.
58:58
So I don't think a lack of reason is a prerequisite to
59:03
belief in God. Well the irony OCTOR just
59:08
earlier was it earlier today or or yesterday actually provided
59:12
you a page of scientists, thousands of them, that are
59:17
quoting that they believe in God and it actually gives you the
59:20
resources. Any ass hat can go on the
59:23
Internet and use a meme generator, put Albert Einstein's
59:26
face next to it and have him say he's handsome with a big long
59:29
tongue. But if you want something with
59:32
actual sources and facts to back it up, I gave you the page.
59:36
Thousands of scientists throughout time, all bleeding in
59:39
God. I'm not laughing at you, I'm
59:44
laughing the old bubble gum here in the comments section.
59:47
First, he says, are they admitting they can't defend
59:49
their world view? Yeah, probably.
59:52
So he in response to the FAQ where it says all are welcome no
59:56
matter what you believe. So bubble gun says no matter
1:00:00
shows up in KKK outfit. I wonder how welcoming they'd be
1:00:08
in that scenario. Brett sounds like a good social
1:00:11
experiment. That's right.
1:00:14
I should drive up to the Seattle Atheist Church like next
1:00:17
weekend. There's not a way.
1:00:18
I can't do that. I should drive up to their
1:00:20
church after I take a week off from my church and go dress up
1:00:24
in the KK outfit and just sit there and see what happens.
1:00:28
Dark Moon says What's a reasonable about living in
1:00:31
existence with no hope, and the ultimate end is worm food.
1:00:36
How is that reasonable? Well, that's called nihilistic
1:00:39
atheism right there that you're talking about, which is actually
1:00:42
the most honest version of atheism.
1:00:44
If you truly are an atheist, that's exactly how you'd have to
1:00:47
think. Yep, and I would agree
1:00:51
completely with that. Because if there is no God, then
1:00:54
that means there's no objective moral standard that exists
1:00:57
outside the human mind. Which also means that there's no
1:01:00
such thing as objective good or objective evil.
1:01:04
Nothing is good. Nothing is evil.
1:01:06
Everything just is, and there's no objective meaning or purpose
1:01:12
to your life or anybody else. We're nothing but chemistry
1:01:17
waiting for us to fade out. That's it.
1:01:20
It's. Just a big old chemical
1:01:22
accident. So, I mean, sure, you can live a
1:01:24
long life if you want, but if you want to end it all now, go
1:01:28
ahead. There's nothing to stop you, bro
1:01:30
boy, and that just make you want to go out and join an atheist
1:01:33
church. Yay, yay.
1:01:38
We are leaving behind alleged delusions for all new ones.
1:01:42
Yeah. Sweet.
1:01:48
All right, so let's get back to this FAQ, because I've never
1:01:51
read this before and this is fascinating.
1:01:53
Who gives the sermons? You do, Brett.
1:01:58
I could be a preacher for a Sunday.
1:02:00
I could go up there right now and speak there, they said.
1:02:03
I could. They say I could give a sermon.
1:02:08
There you go. Go.
1:02:09
Give us, you should go get Well that'd be a long travel for you
1:02:12
but you should go give a sermon there.
1:02:16
There's a there's actually, I haven't really talked about this
1:02:19
much in video, but there is a church in the area that is
1:02:22
actually asking me if I'd come in and talk.
1:02:24
And I said I'm probably going to get into a lot of stuff about
1:02:27
The Big Bang and cosmology and all that.
1:02:30
I put people to sleep. I don't know.
1:02:34
I find this thing to you talk about stuff, so I think they
1:02:37
would too, until they realize that you're not an atheist,
1:02:42
especially if you really set them up for it.
1:02:44
You talk like them and. Give them the impression that
1:02:47
you're one of them and then you just slowly let it out.
1:02:49
Yeah, You know, I, I. This stuff's all fascinating if
1:02:52
it was true, but I don't really believe it because I'm.
1:02:55
I'm not an atheist. Oh, here we go.
1:03:01
Our weekly sermons are given by members of the congregation.
1:03:04
Then the diversity of our speakers testifies to that.
1:03:07
If you want to speak, we encourage you to speak.
1:03:10
After the sermon, we sit in a circle and discuss.
1:03:15
We pass a talking Unicorn and whoever raises their hand and
1:03:19
holds the Unicorn is able to say anything they take or feel.
1:03:26
Is this like an SJW safe space or something?
1:03:32
I need to get my talking Unicorn so I can signify it's my turn on
1:03:36
this podcast. Oh boy, we need to get one of
1:03:39
those. If only we had Godless Girl in
1:03:43
here. She carries around a little
1:03:44
purple Unicorn. That's.
1:03:46
Right. I can just grab her avatar and
1:03:47
then it'll be my turn to talk. Oh no.
1:03:56
Oh goodness, I actually got into an argument a while back.
1:04:02
While you're looking for new information to put up there, I
1:04:05
was talking to this atheist and he goes, so do you believe in
1:04:08
unicorns and all that? And I said, now wait a minute,
1:04:11
you believe in evolution, So how hard would it be for an animal
1:04:15
to evolve a horn? It seems like there's a lot of
1:04:18
animals like that. Why not?
1:04:19
And that. You go ahead.
1:04:22
No, I was just going to say Derpy derp, but go ahead.
1:04:25
OK, and apparently some atheists believe in holding a talking
1:04:29
Unicorn to be able to have permission to speak.
1:04:34
Pass the Unicorn. My turn, My go ahead.
1:04:39
Puff puff, pass. Oh wait, that's not a Unicorn.
1:04:43
It's just a bong that's shaped like one.
1:04:47
Oof, that's rough. You know, that would be the next
1:04:50
logical step in this situation. I think you're passing around a
1:04:53
talking Unicorn or not. Just pass around a bong that's
1:04:57
shaped like what I would have thought if it's an atheist
1:05:01
church, he'd be handing out a Chucky doll.
1:05:02
But OK, unicorns work. Oh, that would be perfect too.
1:05:07
Yeah, hold up your Chucky doll or whatever is Doll's call,
1:05:11
because Chucky's the name of the villain.
1:05:13
But but even has atheist quotes, doesn't it?
1:05:17
I'll be your friend to the end. Stab.
1:05:20
Stab. Stab, stab.
1:05:23
No, that's a built in feature. He stabs you to death as he
1:05:25
stalks. Yeah, while stabbing you.
1:05:28
So don't worry, there's no objective morality.
1:05:30
It's all good. The Darkman 75 points out
1:05:37
reason, folks. Talking Unicorn equals reason.
1:05:41
And they chastise us for believing in unicorns.
1:05:46
Of course you. Actually study the issue.
1:05:50
The unicorns that the Bible talks about in certain
1:05:53
translations is actually a reference to the one horned
1:05:56
rhinoceros, because if you look at the Latin term that's used.
1:06:01
In the Latin version of the Bible, it's actually the exact
1:06:04
term for A1 horned rhinoceros. Well, they used to.
1:06:08
They used to get on the people for giants and all that, and we
1:06:12
found skeletal structures, all that stuff.
1:06:14
Dragons. They claim that birds came from
1:06:17
dinosaurs. Why not?
1:06:19
You know what I mean? Exactly.
1:06:21
Or when they claimed that the Bible was wrong about the
1:06:25
Canaanites being wiped out in the Old Testament because they
1:06:27
found. Archaeological evidence
1:06:30
supporting the existence of Tyree and Sidon completely
1:06:33
passing over the fact that the New Testament says that Tyree
1:06:37
and Sidon existed at the time of Jesus and that Canaanites were
1:06:41
alive. Bringing the heat.
1:06:44
Bringing the heat. Yeah, proving the Bible is true
1:06:48
while trying to disprove the Bible.
1:06:52
That was one of my favorite things I ever read in my entire
1:06:55
life when it comes to like. Things that support the
1:06:58
truthness of the Bible. That was one of the all time
1:07:01
greats. We need to get in a Mosey with
1:07:06
the Unicorn. That way we can, you know, pick
1:07:09
different commenters out there. Give me Unicorn.
1:07:12
In response to the talking Unicorn thing, Dark Moon says
1:07:15
way to make me think you got your mental S together.
1:07:20
I mean, can you visualize it? A bunch of people sitting there
1:07:23
going, I don't believe in magic or supernatural, yet they're
1:07:26
passing around a Unicorn. And not just.
1:07:29
And not just any Unicorn. A talking Unicorn.
1:07:33
That's a special Unicorn. They're special.
1:07:37
They're. Yeah, those Christians are so
1:07:39
stupid for believing in a sky daddy, they probably believe in
1:07:42
unicorns. All right, here's the here's the
1:07:45
talking Unicorn. Your turn to talk, That's for
1:07:48
us. It's just the optics of that.
1:07:51
It's just like what Let's continue, though.
1:08:00
We try to listen, to understand each other, and to respectfully
1:08:03
explore rational thinking together.
1:08:06
There is no dogma other than an agreement that while being aware
1:08:10
of our feelings is important, the best way to personally grow
1:08:13
and improve the world is through applying reason to solve life's
1:08:16
problems. But I thought your website said
1:08:21
on the mission page that you had to believe in scientific and
1:08:24
naturalism, which is dogma all to itself.
1:08:30
I'm getting off track here though.
1:08:32
Why do you call yourself a church?
1:08:35
And then this is where they quote Albert Einstein.
1:08:37
If at first an idea is not absurd, then there is no hope
1:08:40
for it. You realize you're quoting the
1:08:44
guy who says that the more he studied science, the more he
1:08:47
believes in God, right? There's quite a few more quotes,
1:08:53
but that's one of my favorites. I like to lay on him because it
1:08:56
gets right to it. He's got long, long paragraphs
1:08:59
in some of the books he's put out there.
1:09:01
Just check out that side I gave you when you get a chance and
1:09:04
you see what I'm talking. About I do have it.
1:09:06
I do have it bookmarked somewhere.
1:09:07
You're going to love it. You're going to love it.
1:09:09
So whenever you're debating atheists in the future, which is
1:09:12
inevitable, you'll have that. It's an incredible tool.
1:09:17
Heck, I might even just make a video reading all the quotes and
1:09:19
make it look good. There's almost 1000 of them.
1:09:24
That's going to be a long video. I'll just pick like the best
1:09:27
ones, I guess. You know, you're right, because
1:09:29
1000 would be just way too many. So he says a church is a
1:09:33
community intentionally built around a set of shared values.
1:09:37
That's one way to redefine a word.
1:09:39
Seattle Atheist Church is devoted to the values of secular
1:09:43
humanism. I thought you didn't have dogma.
1:09:48
What's the difference between values and dogma?
1:09:52
We do church without the cognitive dissonance.
1:09:54
Oh, that's a straight up lie right there.
1:09:57
They're so cognitively dissonant that they don't even see it.
1:10:02
That's rough, lacking self-awareness.
1:10:06
We believe that the time has come for churches to celebrate
1:10:10
rational approaches. Wait, are we talking about
1:10:13
Christian or atheist churches 'cause that would sound great in
1:10:16
a Christian Church if you stood up and said that the time has
1:10:20
come for churches to celebrate rational approaches to
1:10:23
increasing well-being for all conscious creatures.
1:10:27
In the Seattle area, there are over 800 churches.
1:10:29
Shouldn't there be at least one church to go on a Sunday where
1:10:33
you can hear a message of hope based on the power of reason?
1:10:37
What about 80 atheist churches? The time has come.
1:10:42
Well, you know there's a lot of Christian churches that are
1:10:44
quite liberal in nature and say all the things that you atheist
1:10:48
love to hear. So why would you even go to an
1:10:50
atheist church when you can just go to one of those liberal
1:10:53
Christian churches? Why?
1:10:55
Why would you even go to an atheist church at that point?
1:11:00
It just doesn't make any sense. I.
1:11:03
Guess better though. Why do you use the word atheist?
1:11:07
Atheist, agnostic skeptics, free thinkers and everyone else are
1:11:10
welcome at the church. That's a lie.
1:11:13
Because I'm a free thinker and if I showed up and talked at
1:11:16
your church, I don't think I'd be very welcome.
1:11:20
Just saying, you know why they're called free thinkers,
1:11:22
right? Is like an inside joke referring
1:11:26
to the hive mind. Well, I I made-up kind of a
1:11:30
joke, and I think it's pretty funny.
1:11:32
This just comes right off the top of that, because nobody
1:11:34
would pay a dime to hear what they have to say, so it's got to
1:11:36
be free. Oh, that's a good one.
1:11:42
Hopefully these guys don't pass around offering plates.
1:11:46
We use the word atheist because you will never hear anything
1:11:49
supernatural promoted in a sermon.
1:11:52
But you said anyone could come and speak.
1:11:54
So if I come and speak, you'll hear something supernatural
1:11:58
promoted. Yeah, some people are atheist
1:12:03
but afraid to use the word. We want to normalize the word
1:12:06
atheist. In a culture that celebrates
1:12:08
superstition, it is meaningful to identify someone who does
1:12:12
not. You guys control the academic
1:12:16
culture and have for the last 110 plus years.
1:12:20
You've controlled the media. You've controlled a lot of
1:12:23
entertainment industry. Atheists have been pretty well
1:12:26
normalized for quite a long time, even before this church
1:12:30
even started. So this mission of theirs?
1:12:34
Hilarious, yeah, Mr. Dark Moon out here, says message of hope.
1:12:40
Based upon the power of reason. You see that hold.
1:12:45
On I got to Well, he says that, he said.
1:12:48
Power of reason. What?
1:12:49
Message. It is this because my mind keeps
1:12:51
going back to exactly like what you were saying earlier, Brett.
1:12:54
Well, I mean, if you've if you've got a bucket of slime
1:12:58
there with a bunch of chemicals in it, how do you put some kind
1:13:02
of moral value on that? Think about that, because that's
1:13:05
exactly how atheists actually see each other as nothing more
1:13:09
than complex chemicals. You're nothing more than a damn
1:13:12
bottle of Windex at the most. So why does it matter if one of
1:13:16
you gets spilled or a few of you?
1:13:19
Exactly. Why does it matter at all?
1:13:22
But now I was starting to laugh because of the next thing on
1:13:25
this website, we may not be able to prove that gods don't exist.
1:13:31
Well then, why are you even here?
1:13:33
But we believe they do not, in the same way we believe unicorns
1:13:36
don't exist. Well, except for the talking one
1:13:39
that you pass around whenever you have discussions after a
1:13:41
sermon, right? If 92% of people believed in
1:13:47
unicorns, we'd come out as a unicornists.
1:13:50
You do not have to be a professed atheist or a
1:13:53
unicornist to be a member of the church, so you guys don't.
1:14:01
Yeah, I just can't believe they claim they don't believe in
1:14:03
unicorns and then make the statement that we would be a
1:14:08
unicornist or whatever like that.
1:14:10
Well then, why don't they? Why don't they spend all day
1:14:13
making videos about unicorns that don't exist for themselves
1:14:17
as opposed to God? Why is God the priority for?
1:14:20
That's the question we could ask.
1:14:22
I think in the case of this particular church, it's because
1:14:26
after all there's sermons, they sit in a circle and.
1:14:29
Pass around a talking Unicorn so people can talk.
1:14:32
So I think they feel that you got this whole Unicorn angle
1:14:35
covered and they don't need to go further like that.
1:14:38
See, I myself, I don't believe that golf is an actual sport.
1:14:42
I think it's just a distraction for senior citizens with a
1:14:45
crooked cane. That doesn't mean I'm going to
1:14:47
make 100 videos. Something about how much I hate
1:14:49
it though. What the hell?
1:14:52
Right, here we go. What is a service like?
1:14:57
We have a 20 minute sermon followed by everyone sitting
1:14:59
around and talking while enjoying punch and cookies.
1:15:03
Now see that is. Where my pastor could not, could
1:15:07
not fit in there. He's a guy that likes to preach
1:15:11
long, like 45 minutes is his minimum, but he can preach for
1:15:15
like easily an hour, hour and a half if he doesn't cut himself
1:15:19
short. So he can never go up there and
1:15:21
just preach a 20 minutes sermon. And just earlier we were talking
1:15:25
about Jimmy Jones and here they are drinking punch and kool-aid,
1:15:29
you know what I mean? So it's like you at least.
1:15:32
Are you skeptical enough to at least check the Kool-aid first
1:15:34
before drinking it? Ah, here we go.
1:15:40
You may be thinking there is nothing to say about atheism.
1:15:44
We talk about similar things as in other churches, like how can
1:15:47
I live my best life? We apply reason to answer the
1:15:50
question. We don't spend much time on anti
1:15:53
apologetics. We have an anti apologetics talk
1:15:56
about once a year. You can view many of our past
1:15:59
sermons online, so wait a minute.
1:16:05
So you actually deal with all of the big questions in life that
1:16:09
have to be answered and that all religions and world views
1:16:13
attempt to answer. But somehow you're not a
1:16:16
religion and everyone else is, even though you're answering the
1:16:19
same questions someone's begging for an exception that they
1:16:24
didn't earn. It's rough.
1:16:28
I think that after we do this show, when we get time, we need
1:16:31
to e-mail them this and see what they think about it.
1:16:34
Or I'll call them up directly and record it that.
1:16:38
Would be a fun, I'll say. Hey, I got a talking Unicorn
1:16:42
over here. Can I have my piece?
1:16:48
All you hear is click. Let's see.
1:16:54
Does it cost anything to attend? Come be our guest for free.
1:16:58
We operate on donations. When you decide that you want to
1:17:01
become a member, we ask that you contribute something to cover
1:17:05
expenses. Oh, you mean like Christian
1:17:07
churches do? Whoa.
1:17:10
We have been asked to specify a suggested donation amount if you
1:17:14
can. 20 bucks a month per adult would be helpful.
1:17:18
There are also other ways to contribute beyond financial
1:17:21
help. Everyone working at the church
1:17:23
is a volunteer. You are always welcome at
1:17:25
church, regardless of ability to pay, until you're running low on
1:17:31
money and you desperately need money to stay open.
1:17:33
Then you'll start pinching them for their pennies, won't you?
1:17:38
What do you do with the donations?
1:17:40
Oh, this will be good. Donations are used to run the
1:17:44
church. We rent the meeting space,
1:17:46
maintain the website, do outreach.
1:17:48
Hate to outreach? What Atheist outreach What and
1:17:52
run special programs? Currently we have a goal of
1:17:55
extending the discussion time by half an hour.
1:17:58
The people you see working on behalf of the church are all
1:18:01
unpaid volunteers and apparently they are A5O1C3 that you can
1:18:05
donate to and get a tax write off for.
1:18:08
So how are you not a religion again?
1:18:12
I don't, I don't recall how long you had said that you'd been on
1:18:15
the Internet. But there was a a big incident
1:18:18
with atheists a while back where what was it?
1:18:20
About 15 years ago? There was a atheist group that
1:18:25
was formed and they built them like a church, but they had a
1:18:29
weird name for themselves. They always give themselves
1:18:31
sparkly names, like they were called the Brights.
1:18:35
Have you ever heard of that? I don't remember that, no.
1:18:38
Yeah, if you if you Google it, you'll see it.
1:18:41
They a lot of big atheist Youtubers that got into this,
1:18:45
they were calling themselves Brights for a little while.
1:18:48
I of course at the time I was a former non.
1:18:50
I was a non believer at the time and I was like, I ain't a part
1:18:54
of that in the 1800s when they built their first atheist
1:18:57
church. For those out there, if you're
1:18:59
interested in looking it up, they called themselves the
1:19:01
Enlightened ones. They always like to sound smart
1:19:05
whenever they're doing that thing.
1:19:07
That's the difference between Christianity and atheism when it
1:19:09
comes to names. We talk about the The greatness
1:19:13
of God is where they talked about the greatness of
1:19:15
themselves. Yep, it's literally the worship
1:19:20
of self, or at least self, in relation to the human race.
1:19:25
And yet that's exactly the kind of thing that people like
1:19:28
Professor Stick in the very video I showed you the clip from
1:19:31
Claim Oh, we don't worship ourselves.
1:19:37
As they do it all the time in their own churches.
1:19:39
Yeah, sure. But yeah, I find it funny how
1:19:42
they have this. Oh, we do this, this and this
1:19:45
with the donations. How much?
1:19:47
How much Would you be surprised if you found out that a pastor
1:19:51
at one of these atheist churches was taking the donations and
1:19:55
spending it on booze and blow and escorts?
1:19:58
Would you be surprised? Here you go, tpur.
1:20:03
That way you don't have to scramble for this later, but
1:20:08
there's a link to the atheist bright Yeah, that was about that
1:20:12
was 2000, 2003, Around that time.
1:20:17
Yeah, atheists were killing each other over that one.
1:20:20
Some of them didn't like it, others thought it was great,
1:20:23
made it sound, you know, like they were part of the My Little
1:20:26
Pony club or something. Well, I mean, when you're
1:20:28
passing around a talking Unicorn to indicate whose turn it is to
1:20:31
talk, that kind of does sound like a My Little Pony club at an
1:20:35
atheist church, if you know what I'm saying.
1:20:39
But since I think we've gone through everything we needed to
1:20:43
on that website, we got all the comedic value that there is.
1:20:47
So we're going to go into not the atheist rights link you sent
1:20:50
me, but the one before it because you really wanted me to
1:20:53
show it and you still got time. Oops.
1:20:56
That link was too huge to post out in public chat.
1:20:59
That's too bad. That's OK.
1:21:03
I got it on another tab. So earlier Brett wanted me to
1:21:07
show you the Secular Paganism page, but you can see right here
1:21:12
the first paragraph will be enough.
1:21:15
Secular paganism is an outlook, upholding virtues and principles
1:21:19
associated with Paganism while maintaining A secular worldview.
1:21:24
Alternately called naturalistic paganism or humanistic paganism,
1:21:28
approaches vary, but typically include the respect for living
1:21:32
creatures in the earth itself while rejecting belief in
1:21:35
deities. Secular pagans may recognize
1:21:38
gods and goddesses as useful metaphors for different cycles
1:21:42
of life or reframe magic as a purely psychological practice.
1:21:49
So I wanted you to check this out.
1:21:51
Obviously that way because you're going to run into some of
1:21:54
these little snaky atheists who are going to say, well, yeah,
1:21:57
we'll go to a building, we'll organize and it's really just
1:22:00
all about community and all that.
1:22:02
But they got the Satanic church and they got the magic fairy
1:22:06
atheist here who? And I'm not meaning fairy and
1:22:09
the hate speech type of fairy. I'm talking about the little
1:22:12
winged creature like the. Cherubim, or whatever that's
1:22:16
called. Yeah, so there's some atheists
1:22:18
out there who believe in the spiritual, believe in ghosts,
1:22:20
believe in magic, believe in spells.
1:22:22
But they can't explain where they get it from.
1:22:27
Oh, that's a crying shame. But yeah, so basically what I'm
1:22:31
getting out of this secular paganism page in the first
1:22:33
paragraph is that basically what atheists did to Christianity,
1:22:38
They basically just did the paganism.
1:22:40
Just take that religion, remove the Pagan God's part and it's
1:22:43
our religion. Now there you go.
1:22:47
Like I said, they never come up with an original idea.
1:22:49
They basically some people don't know what the word worship
1:22:53
means. It doesn't always necessarily
1:22:55
mean that you're praising a God or on your hands and knees
1:22:58
putting your paws together. It also means respect or adhere
1:23:01
to. Yep, absolutely.
1:23:03
What do you Revere? What do you give ultimate
1:23:06
authority to? Oh, but yeah, what's next?
1:23:10
Are we going to have secular Islam?
1:23:14
Yeah, we want to have all the trappings of Islam minus the
1:23:17
actual Islamic police part. I don't even want to know what
1:23:23
that would look like. I would not get get down on your
1:23:29
knees on your mat every day five times and and pray to an image
1:23:34
of Richard Dawkins or something. Or Aaron Ross.
1:23:42
I don't even know. I mean, if secular Islam, what
1:23:47
would what would even be their Mecca replacement of the atomic
1:23:54
symbol maybe? Well, like Mecca is an actual
1:23:58
city though, where they all like Muslims who are not around Mecca
1:24:01
and they're like other parts of the world.
1:24:03
When they get down on their mat five times a day to pray, they
1:24:06
will usually aim in the direction that Mecca is in.
1:24:11
Well, atheists usually have a tendency.
1:24:12
If they're not worshipping themselves, then they'll worship
1:24:16
a naturalistic person higher than themselves, like.
1:24:21
Secular Islam. When they get down on their
1:24:23
knees five times a day to pray, they will aim in the direction
1:24:28
of their nearest university, where evolution in billions of
1:24:32
years and Big Bang cosmology and ultimately atheism, is being
1:24:35
taught. There you go.
1:24:45
Secular Islam, he says. It'd be Jonestown.
1:24:50
Jonestown. And also remember he called it
1:24:52
the People's Temple, so they actually did set it up like
1:24:56
that. There's also there's also one
1:24:59
other thing too. Then we'll make sure that we
1:25:01
mention this. There are forms of Buddhism that
1:25:05
are also secular as well, Where the atheist again snatches the
1:25:08
Buddhist philosophy, he can use it for himself.
1:25:11
A perfect example is a popular guy a while back called Alan
1:25:15
Watts. You ever heard of him?
1:25:20
It's not striking a bell, although the name sounds
1:25:23
familiar. Yeah, Alan Watts is a he's well
1:25:28
known for doing these, like long speeches and talks and all that
1:25:33
about how we're connected with the cosmos and all that.
1:25:36
He's kind of like a Carl Sagan a little bit, but without all the
1:25:39
knowledge of science without. Without all the knowledge.
1:25:46
That's a funny way of putting it.
1:25:48
I like it all right. Just checking up on the rumble
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thing. Whoops.
1:25:54
Click live there. We're doing all right there.
1:25:58
Just checking up on my quarter stream.
1:26:01
I see you found the brights movement there.
1:26:03
You go, I did, and we will talk about that in a nanosecond.
1:26:08
You know, Speaking of atheist paying donations and support and
1:26:12
all that to their favorite atheist church.
1:26:14
There was also a Group A while back called the Rational
1:26:17
Response Squad that the Atheist all supported and followed and
1:26:22
blasphemy to. And if you remember, I believe
1:26:25
that group went out of business for a couple different things,
1:26:30
some of their members pedophilia and some other reasons.
1:26:34
Oh, aren't they the ones that had the debate with Ray Comfort
1:26:37
and Kirk Cameron? Yeah.
1:26:40
And weren't they the ones that did the blasphemy of the Holy
1:26:44
Spirit challenge? Yes, they did.
1:26:46
Oh God, I remember those guys. They were so cringe.
1:26:51
And I remember that debate because the lady who was the
1:26:54
representative of their group, she basically dressed in this
1:26:57
really revealing dress that showed off her upper assets, if
1:27:02
you know what I'm saying. And basically she was trying to
1:27:04
be eye candy to distract the, you know, the Christian guys,
1:27:08
Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort. Fortunately for unfortunately
1:27:13
for her, it didn't work. But I just remember looking here
1:27:17
and thinking, what a floozy. Yeah.
1:27:20
In Missouri we call it skimpy. Skimpy.
1:27:25
Oh. Gosh, Dark Moon 75, in reference
1:27:30
to the secular Islam, Mecca, replacement, or maybe whatever
1:27:35
city Dawkins hails from. Well, to be fair though, to be
1:27:40
fair, I don't think they're ever going to do anything like that
1:27:43
for Dawkins. I don't know if you knew this,
1:27:46
but Dawkins lately has been sounding as though he's starting
1:27:50
to go over the theism, believing that there's at least some form
1:27:54
of deistic type of God. I don't know if you've seen the
1:27:56
latest felt from him. Atheists are saying that he must
1:28:00
have Alzheimer's or mental illness is getting up on him.
1:28:03
But Richard Dawkins, for the last five years, the atheist has
1:28:07
smeared and destroyed him. They used to look up to him like
1:28:10
he was the Pope or something, but not so much he was.
1:28:12
One of the four Horsemen of New Atheism, if I remember right.
1:28:15
He was like one of the founding figureheads of their movement.
1:28:19
Sam Harris was the last one left out of them, and unfortunately
1:28:23
they're dragging him through the mud over something called The
1:28:25
Moral Landscape. Have you heard of that?
1:28:29
Yeah, I remember David Wood did a video recently about Sam
1:28:31
Harris. It was pretty, pretty good.
1:28:34
But I don't remember the moral landscape part.
1:28:37
See a lot of atheists out there, They all want to be the big guy,
1:28:40
the popular guy. But unfortunately, their group
1:28:43
tends to slaughter their leaders after a little while, just so
1:28:47
they can make a name for themselves.
1:28:50
Yeah, that sounds about right and accurate to what I see,
1:28:53
other than the ones on the Internet that are all like, you
1:28:55
know, part of the anti younger of creationist coalition.
1:28:59
And so they kind of like unite and collaborate and give each
1:29:02
other high fives and positive affirmations after every video,
1:29:05
and not one lick of dissent is involved in the whole process.
1:29:09
Those guys seem to be in their own little loop.
1:29:12
But you're right about what you said too, that when they break
1:29:15
out of those loops, they cannibalize each other.
1:29:19
Yeah, I've always said because people have asked me repeatedly
1:29:22
TTO already said that, Brett, how can we stop atheism from
1:29:26
rising? How can it be gotten rid of?
1:29:28
And I said that's easy. All Christians have to do is
1:29:31
take a week off of YouTube and they'll kill each other.
1:29:37
It's rough, but true. Yeah, so the Brights.
1:29:42
The Brights movement is a social movement whose members since
1:29:45
2003 refer to themselves as Brights and have a world view of
1:29:50
philosophical naturalism. I don't know what the difference
1:29:54
between that and actual naturalism is, but OK, Most
1:29:58
Brights believe that public policy should be based on
1:30:00
science, a body of knowledge obtained and tested by use of
1:30:04
the scientific method. Well, there goes evolution,
1:30:07
Billions of years of Big Bang cosmology.
1:30:09
I can just retire these headphones right now.
1:30:15
They've done my job for me, Brett.
1:30:18
There you go. Yeah, you look more into that.
1:30:21
You might find a good video you want to make out of it.
1:30:24
It was it was crazy. Didn't last very long though.
1:30:27
Brights are likely to oppose the practice of basing public
1:30:31
policies on supernatural doctrines.
1:30:33
Brights may therefore be described.
1:30:35
As secularists, ah, here we go. Many, but not all brights also
1:30:43
identify as atheist, anti theist, humanist, specifically,
1:30:47
secular humanist, free thinker, irreligionist, naturalist,
1:30:51
materialist or physicalist, agnostic, skeptic, or even
1:30:55
naturalistic pantheist. What the hell?
1:30:59
Even so, the movement is not associated with any defined
1:31:03
beliefs. Even though there's atheist
1:31:05
churches out there that have very specific, defined values
1:31:09
attached to the word atheism. Yeah, whatever.
1:31:14
The website brightsnet.net says its goal is to include the
1:31:19
umbrella term bright in the vocabulary of this existing
1:31:22
community of reason. Oh, and then it gets into the
1:31:27
supers. Oh, that must be better than the
1:31:29
brights. People are curious out there why
1:31:34
atheists have come up with the bright seeing light and all
1:31:37
that. It's not just because they want
1:31:39
to sound like you're more rational, logical, and smarter,
1:31:42
but they realize that atheism has a real bad taste in people's
1:31:46
mouth, especially in politics. All the killing, all the
1:31:49
dictators, all the destruction of countries.
1:31:52
That's the reason why people, atheists always complain, oh, we
1:31:55
can't get into politics. Why?
1:31:57
Because we remember Stalin, we remember Communist China.
1:32:01
You know, remember every time they get power, somebody gets
1:32:05
ends up in a getting a dirt nap. Here we go.
1:32:10
The movement has been criticized by some, both religious and non
1:32:13
religious, who have objected to the adoption of the title Bright
1:32:16
because they believe it suggests that the individuals of a
1:32:20
naturalistic world view are more intelligent, brighter than non
1:32:23
naturalist such as philosophical skeptics or idealist believers
1:32:27
in the paranormal. Philosophical theists or the
1:32:29
religious? For example, the Committee for
1:32:33
Skeptical Inquiry published an article by Chris Mooney titled
1:32:36
Not Too Bright in which he stated that although he agreed
1:32:39
with the movement, Richard Dawkins and Daniel Bennett's
1:32:42
campaign to rename religious unbelievers, Brights could use
1:32:45
some rethinking because of the possibility that the term would
1:32:48
be misinterpreted. The journalist and noted atheist
1:32:52
Christopher Hitchens likewise found it.
1:32:54
A cringe making proposal that atheists should conceitedly
1:32:57
nominate themselves to be called brights.
1:33:01
In response to this, Daniel Dennett has stated there was
1:33:04
also a negative response, largely objecting to the term
1:33:07
that had been chosen not by me bright, which seems to imply
1:33:11
that others were dim or stupid. But the term, modeled on the
1:33:14
highly successful hijacking of the ordinary word gay by
1:33:18
homosexuals, does not have to have that implication.
1:33:22
Those who are not gays are not necessarily glum, they're
1:33:25
straight. Those who are not brights are
1:33:27
not necessarily dim, and those who are brights are not
1:33:33
necessarily bright. This is what you're reading
1:33:37
right now is one of the reasons why I got myself in trouble with
1:33:40
non believers. So many of them wanted to go in
1:33:43
this direction where they wanted to appear as though they're
1:33:46
smarter than everybody else, just in the name itself, or
1:33:50
enlightened and everything. And I said we should treat
1:33:53
people, basically Jesus's philosophy, Do unto others you
1:33:57
want done unto you. If you talk like you're smarter
1:34:00
or better than people in some kind of way, while at the same
1:34:03
time believing you evolved from a worm, you sound like an
1:34:06
asshat. You know what I mean?
1:34:08
I tried explaining that to them, but they, they refused.
1:34:11
Ended up getting the fights over that.
1:34:15
That sounds about right. I mean, you tell atheists
1:34:18
anything they don't want to hear, they just go Pharaoh on
1:34:21
you. Just like a lot of so-called
1:34:22
Christians. When you point out the heresies
1:34:25
that they believe are not biblical, they respond the same
1:34:28
way. Hey, you made a good video
1:34:31
recently. I checked that out.
1:34:33
You were. That's one thing I like about
1:34:35
your TTOR. When you see dirt in the back in
1:34:38
the backyard, you clean it up and all that.
1:34:41
And if you see dirt off in the distance in the atheist group,
1:34:43
you go after that too. You're you've got a one standard
1:34:47
deal. I like that.
1:34:49
Yeah, I I try to be fair because if you're going to call yourself
1:34:53
a Bible believer, then you're going to have to go after
1:34:57
so-called Christians who teach things that blatantly contradict
1:35:00
the Bible. Plus the Bible itself says
1:35:03
you're supposed to expose people like that.
1:35:05
So to me it's like I'm just doing the duty that's performed
1:35:09
that's requested of me by the scriptures I adhere to.
1:35:12
It's not like. A special calling that goes
1:35:16
above and beyond what the Bible asks.
1:35:18
It's like, literally commanded by the Bible.
1:35:20
And technically, I should be normal, like the way I do
1:35:24
things. As far as, you know, being
1:35:26
willing to criticize both people in and outside my camp, that
1:35:30
should be normal. Yeah, you're absolutely right
1:35:33
about that. But you know, just as well as I,
1:35:36
there's some religious people that are they.
1:35:39
They feel like it's it's somehow doing something against God by
1:35:42
questioning another person who claims to have the same label.
1:35:46
Well, believe it or not, atheists have the same thing.
1:35:48
A lot of them are afraid to criticize another atheist and
1:35:52
stuff because they're afraid of how it might end up with their
1:35:55
ego shattered or something. You know, feed that narcissism.
1:35:59
Unless that atheist in particular does something that,
1:36:02
if you criticize, will get you lots of social media cloud, then
1:36:05
it's on like Donkey Kong. That's right.
1:36:10
Yeah. Then it's OK to just slam dunk
1:36:12
them on the Internet. Well, you see a lot of the, a
1:36:18
lot of the Youtubers, they do that and stuff.
1:36:20
But you'll notice the comment, there's a lot like how you
1:36:23
described earlier, the Borg. I can't tell you how many times
1:36:29
I've been through like the comment sections of like
1:36:31
Professor Stick videos. VICE Rhino videos, Shannon Q
1:36:35
videos, Paula Gia videos, Sir Sick videos.
1:36:38
And it's like reading the same thing every time.
1:36:42
Oh yeah, that was a great video. You you really show those
1:36:46
creationists and Christians high five.
1:36:48
You're so smart. You're so funny, You're so
1:36:51
witty. Everything you do is gold and
1:36:54
everything that creationist does is wrong.
1:36:56
Even if it's exactly like what you're doing, it's wrong.
1:37:00
I see it all the time. It's just like, my God, how do
1:37:04
these people exist? And they call themselves free
1:37:08
thinkers. But there's like 0 dissent.
1:37:10
I mean, the whole point of free thinking is that there should be
1:37:12
dissent across the board to some capacity.
1:37:16
Oh, there isn't. I, I bet $100 challenge to
1:37:20
anybody out there. Go to any atheist video, look in
1:37:23
the comments, and you're never going to find that comment that
1:37:26
says, wait a minute, let me correct you on that.
1:37:30
You're you're not going to see this.
1:37:31
It's going to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:37:37
Yeah, Yep. Exactly.
1:37:39
Exactly. So we've been through all those
1:37:42
articles about atheist churches. We had fun going through the
1:37:45
Seattle Atheist Church websites Mission Statement and their oh,
1:37:51
that's a good question by Dark Moon TTOR, Do you ever get sick
1:37:56
of ingesting the same tired arguments?
1:38:00
There are times, Dark Moon, where yeah, it does get a little
1:38:04
tiring, especially after you've seen it a million times, but.
1:38:09
There's always something though, that gets me remotivated.
1:38:13
So, like, you know, when atheists start coming after me
1:38:16
like they did today in regards to my sunny in Philadelphia
1:38:19
video, that gives me all the energy I need to deal with those
1:38:24
same tired arguments 1000 times over with more zeal.
1:38:29
So as as tiring as it can get, sometimes the atheists and
1:38:34
evolutionists on the Internet, they just have this magical
1:38:37
ability to get me going. Just find a way to give me new
1:38:41
levels of inspiration. I I think you can relate to
1:38:43
that, Brett. I think you were talking about
1:38:46
that in one of your recent videos where when people
1:38:48
criticize you or try to, you know, portray you as something
1:38:53
you're not motivates you to make like a million more videos.
1:38:57
Yeah, that's actually the deal because they haven't.
1:39:00
I really for a while there I was like when is one of these clowns
1:39:04
over going to come up with something new?
1:39:06
You you have to understand coming from my standing point of
1:39:10
being a former non believer. When I go to watch their videos,
1:39:13
I'm hearing them basically repeat or parrot everything I
1:39:17
ever said. But they do it terribly, you
1:39:20
know, At least I was articulate and stuff and wasn't going I'm,
1:39:25
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the whole damn time.
1:39:27
And I'm just like, jeez, it's like so 20 years ago, man, come
1:39:31
on, come up with something new at Dark Moon.
1:39:34
If you want to stop an atheist right in their tracks, tell them
1:39:38
to give you scientific evidence on why God is incompatible with
1:39:41
the universe and see what they got with that.
1:39:43
I guarantee that'll just floor them.
1:39:47
Speaking of Dark Moon, he says. I guess you can always reach
1:39:50
some people, so I suppose that's motivation enough, man.
1:39:54
And that's also true Dark Moon because.
1:39:57
Long time ago when I first started, you know, doing
1:40:00
apologetics as a blog and when I first started doing YouTube
1:40:03
videos back in 2015, my motivation was to put my
1:40:08
thoughts out there because I felt like I had unique insight
1:40:10
into the topics I was looking at the time and my thought process
1:40:15
in addition to that was if my videos could help one person be
1:40:21
better informed and believe in the biblical worldview, then it
1:40:24
was worth it. And that's the philosophy I
1:40:27
still operate by today, which is why I don't care that I'm a
1:40:32
small content creator on sites like YouTube.
1:40:36
Yep, I'll tell you another thing that motivates me.
1:40:39
And this is a positive reason because so far we've talked
1:40:42
about how people are running their mouth and then we feel the
1:40:45
desire to slap them around a little bit.
1:40:47
But there are some positive things from time to time when I
1:40:50
log into my Facebook or one of these social media sites.
1:40:54
Every once in a while you get that message from somebody says,
1:40:57
I used to watch your videos, Brett, I used to hate you.
1:41:00
I couldn't stand the things you said.
1:41:01
But then I started thinking more about what you said and and
1:41:05
started also watching other people who believe in God and
1:41:08
bam, it clicked. And when you hear that, you know
1:41:12
that that's one more soul that might actually have a potential
1:41:15
to go to heaven, that someone was actually saved by the power
1:41:18
of God. And when that happens, that that
1:41:20
gives you, that at least gives you one more year.
1:41:23
You want to make the video? Exactly.
1:41:26
Yeah. And I feel the same way.
1:41:29
It's like every once in a while I'll get a message from someone,
1:41:34
like on social media or in the comments section of the video
1:41:37
talking about how helpful my video was.
1:41:39
In fact, I think it was a couple of weeks ago, Somebody donated
1:41:44
me like 20-30 dollars through my coffee page.
1:41:47
And in the message they attached to their donation, they
1:41:51
specifically said that they had watched one of my older videos
1:41:54
about some old Earth creationist and his article about the dark
1:41:58
side of young Earth creationism, which when I responded to it,
1:42:02
actually exposed the dark side of old Earth creationism.
1:42:06
He said he really got a lot out of that video and that he wanted
1:42:10
me to make more videos like that.
1:42:11
And that was his message that he attached to, like the 2030
1:42:14
dollar donation he gave me. And the money was nice, but what
1:42:18
he said was more meaningful to me.
1:42:20
It's like, wow, someone actually benefits from my videos about
1:42:24
older of creationists like that Greg Nieman guy.
1:42:28
So eventually I'm going to see if I can find another article of
1:42:32
his to respond. To well TTORI.
1:42:34
Hope it makes you feel good to know, and I know I've said this
1:42:37
in the past to you, but. When I first transitioned from
1:42:41
atheism over into theism, I wasn't quite sure what route I
1:42:45
could go or how I was going to do this.
1:42:47
Or should I even bother to try? Or should I just walk away?
1:42:52
But I was over on bit. Shoot, I start watching your
1:42:55
videos and I'm like, this is the way it needs to be done.
1:42:58
This is the way. So I watched how you did things
1:43:01
and stuff, 'cause I wasn't seeing that kind of stuff over
1:43:03
on YouTube. A lot of people they they just.
1:43:07
They're not as organized and set it up just for you to consume
1:43:11
and absorb, so you did a good job.
1:43:13
You actually influenced me on some things there.
1:43:16
I appreciate that. That's very that compliment
1:43:18
means a lot to me. But it does also remind me of
1:43:21
back then when I was on YouTube and you know, it was before I
1:43:25
became an all tech guy like I am now.
1:43:28
I remember going on to YouTube one day like I think it was like
1:43:31
December of 2016 or something. And I was just like looking up
1:43:35
Young Earth creationist channels on YouTube just to see who the
1:43:39
heck's even out here on YouTube talking about Young Earth
1:43:42
Creationism as a content creator.
1:43:44
And outside of like Answers in Genesis or Creation
1:43:47
International or any of the major Young Earth Creationist
1:43:50
ministries that most are familiar with.
1:43:52
Outside of those guys, you don't find a lot of independent
1:43:56
content creators on YouTube who are Young Earth creationists,
1:44:01
other than a couple that I found, like Ethan Horn and a
1:44:04
couple other guys who I don't think even make content anymore.
1:44:09
But yeah, it's it's hard to find independent creators who cover
1:44:14
the topics. I do.
1:44:15
And so that was something else that motivated me all these
1:44:19
years, too. It's like if you want to see
1:44:21
something that's not being provided on the Internet,
1:44:24
especially like on YouTube or other video sites, then you got
1:44:28
to be what you want to see. And that's one of the things I'm
1:44:32
actually liking about my Rumble channel right now is that over
1:44:35
time, a lot of my videos, even though they don't get a lot of
1:44:38
views at first, they start to rack up like a hundred, a
1:44:42
hundred and 5200 views plus. And a lot of the videos on my
1:44:45
channel that are doing that are my younger Creationist videos,
1:44:50
are the ones that are related to that topic.
1:44:51
And so that's one of the things I'm really liking about Rumble
1:44:55
right now. It's like I'm actually having a
1:44:57
chance to put my foot in the door and be one of the O GS of
1:45:01
rumble when it comes to younger creationism as a topic.
1:45:05
So that's one of the things I'm hoping to continue going
1:45:08
forward. See, that's one of the things
1:45:11
about Youtubers and yourself and myself that is the difference.
1:45:15
Here you'll see five atheists who will see something on the
1:45:18
Internet. They'll throw it out there, and
1:45:21
then the group will just pair it, The meme, over and over and
1:45:25
over, the same thing. But you and I, we look at
1:45:28
YouTube and we say to ourselves. What?
1:45:31
What is it that we'd like to see?
1:45:33
And when we're not finding it, we're not seeing it.
1:45:35
We're like, well, it's time for us to do it.
1:45:38
We need to create something new here and go from there.
1:45:43
A lot of people don't think like that.
1:45:44
They're just waiting for something to fall in their lap.
1:45:48
Yeah, pretty much. It's kind of reminds me of the
1:45:51
alt tech scene because a lot of people, you know, they hate big
1:45:54
text. They hate big tech censorship,
1:45:57
but then they refuse to use alt tech sites.
1:45:59
And then when the alt tech stuff starts to go South in terms of
1:46:02
censorship and grifting and whatnot, it's like they complain
1:46:05
about it, but they don't do anything about it.
1:46:08
It's like they think if they complain loud enough and often
1:46:12
enough that eventually a solution they like better will
1:46:14
just fall from the sky, land right in their lap, and then
1:46:18
they can just use that. We had somebody earlier in the
1:46:23
comments, Marco. Whenever I said that thing about
1:46:26
asking an atheist about why is it that a God wouldn't be
1:46:30
compatible with the universe, he just Simply put, no evidence and
1:46:34
all that. All right, you don't have
1:46:36
evidence of 200 billion light years of the entire universe
1:46:41
either, yet you still believe in it, so that's not going to work.
1:46:45
That also doesn't even answer how it couldn't be compatible.
1:46:53
OK, so I see Dark Moon down here.
1:46:59
There's two comments of his, he says.
1:47:00
I don't actually debate atheists.
1:47:02
I sort of was one of my 20s most depressing years of my life.
1:47:06
I'll do a video on that when I can as well.
1:47:08
And when you do, I would love to watch that video, Dark Moon,
1:47:12
because it would be an interesting testimony on your
1:47:14
part. The other thing that he said was
1:47:18
in relation to what I was talking about rumble and certain
1:47:22
videos of mine being found in terms of younger of creationism,
1:47:26
he says. I hope you find success there.
1:47:28
You can't do it at YouTube these days.
1:47:31
Absolutely true. As a matter of fact, it's so
1:47:34
true, especially with the censorship they do, that.
1:47:37
I'm not actually live streaming to YouTube, even though Brett
1:47:40
is. I'm live streaming to Rumble and
1:47:42
quarter only at this point because I feel really safe there
1:47:46
and I still can reach some people and that's what I do.
1:47:52
Well, make sure you give people a link to it out in the
1:47:55
comments. Yeah.
1:47:57
Well, when if they're watching live on Rumble, they're already
1:48:00
there. And if they're watching live on
1:48:02
Quarter, they're already there and the in the description box
1:48:06
of those sites they'll see the links to all my stuff.
1:48:09
So and if you're watching this live stream on Rumble or
1:48:13
quarter, you know where to find me everywhere.
1:48:16
And if you're watching this on Brett's channel, you can see
1:48:19
across the top banner some of the sites that I'm on, those are
1:48:23
my quarter channel name, my rumble channel name, my Twitter
1:48:27
account handle, my truth social handle and my getter handle.
1:48:32
I used to put my gab handle a lot on these kind of banners,
1:48:35
but gab Well, boy, that's a long story that we don't have time to
1:48:41
explain. You guys come back to the video
1:48:44
later. If you're on the YouTube side,
1:48:46
I'll make sure that I make the title into a link that leads to
1:48:50
TT OS YouTube channel. If you check the links in his
1:48:53
description, he's very organized.
1:48:55
With that, you'll be able to find him wherever he's hanging.
1:48:59
Yep, that's true. When you come to my videos, all
1:49:01
you got to do is look in the description box and you'll find
1:49:04
every link you'll ever want to find me at.
1:49:10
You know, we were just one last thing I wanted to throw at you
1:49:13
since just a follow up on that atheist church stuff we were
1:49:17
talking about. You know, there was an
1:49:18
interesting some pages put out there on Google that are very
1:49:23
interesting that they believe that somehow religion was wired
1:49:28
into evolution. That might be an interesting
1:49:31
topic for you. Now how would that be so if
1:49:34
there wasn't some kind of concept of God?
1:49:36
Why are people wired to this? Even the ones who get angry at
1:49:39
God and walk away and build their own atheist church or
1:49:43
their sparkles or whatever they're doing, why are they
1:49:46
still attaching themselves and associated?
1:49:49
There's a real question there people need to ask.
1:49:53
And if in the biblical world view, it makes perfect sense
1:49:57
because God's word says that eternity is on all of our hearts
1:50:02
and that God's laws are in our hearts, so we know in some ways,
1:50:07
in some sense His laws, even if we're unaware of what the
1:50:11
biblical worldview even is. So from the biblical
1:50:15
perspective, this innate, built in religious nature of human
1:50:22
beings makes absolute sense because that's the way God made
1:50:26
us. It's literally what human nature
1:50:29
is. The Bible has never been wrong
1:50:31
about human nature, which is one of the big reasons why I'm a
1:50:34
believer in the biblical worldview Aside from, you know,
1:50:38
Jesus being real and historically supported.
1:50:42
And aside from all the evidence that supports the truthfulness
1:50:45
of the Bible's claims, the Bible's perfect description of
1:50:49
human nature, it's one of the things that keeps me a
1:50:53
Christian. Because no matter what ugly
1:50:55
thing I see in the world, it makes me think of something I
1:50:59
read in the Bible about human nature and how people are, and
1:51:03
it's like, man, that book got it right again.
1:51:06
And that's another one for the book.
1:51:11
If you are an atheist or someone who has fallen aside or whatever
1:51:15
out there that's listening, you don't have to.
1:51:18
Just think about the universe and cosmos and about how does
1:51:21
God fit into that. Try to think internally.
1:51:24
Think about why it is that you even feel the desire to do good,
1:51:27
why you want to help people. Why is it that these atheist
1:51:31
churches claim they weren't good for humanity?
1:51:33
Because there's something inside of them, and if they would
1:51:36
actually direct some of that energy and that rationality they
1:51:40
claim to have unto themselves. To simply ask the question, why
1:51:44
do I want to do good in the 1st place?
1:51:46
Why do I want to love people? Why do I make claims like I want
1:51:50
humanity to be better? What would be better for
1:51:52
humanity exactly? See.
1:51:55
Ask internal questions and you'll find your answer.
1:51:59
Yep. And that actually reminds me of
1:52:00
my new friend Daniel, who's also known as Darwin to Jesus.
1:52:04
He talked about in his testimony how he converted from atheism to
1:52:08
Christianity and what he talked about.
1:52:11
How was that when he was an atheist and he started asking
1:52:14
these hard, probing questions about good and evil and
1:52:17
objective morality? One of his atheist friends
1:52:20
actually told him, hey man, if you keep pursuing that line of
1:52:24
inquiry, you're not going to be an atheist for very long.
1:52:28
Which blew my mind, because I'm thinking, wow, an atheist
1:52:34
actually admitting that if you do real deep thinking about
1:52:37
these issues, you won't be an atheist.
1:52:40
It's almost like atheism isn't true, and the only way you can
1:52:43
maintain your atheism is by not thinking deeply about things, by
1:52:49
not being a free thinker. Exactly.
1:52:56
Exactly. And we've talked about this
1:52:58
TTOR. If we were to presuppose that
1:53:01
evolution were real and there was no God, then how does
1:53:04
someone explain to nature and variables in the environment how
1:53:08
someone could even have the ambition or desire to dream or
1:53:13
to do any good for anyone else? Where does that even come from?
1:53:16
Doesn't come from dirt or water, does it?
1:53:18
I don't think so. That's not matter or energy.
1:53:21
And you know, if there is no God, then there's no such thing
1:53:25
as good or evil in any objective sense.
1:53:27
So I mean, it's calling things good, calling them evil.
1:53:31
That's just nonsensical. It just it doesn't compute.
1:53:35
If this, if I were a computer and you're and I and I was
1:53:38
convinced that atheism was true and you told me all this stuff
1:53:41
about good and evil, you get like the the error screen just
1:53:44
over and over. Error, error, error, Error does
1:53:47
not compute error. Yeah 'cause good and evil don't
1:53:52
make sense to me at all if atheism is true.
1:53:55
But if the Bible's true, then it makes all the sense in the
1:54:00
world, and that best lines up with my experience of the world
1:54:04
that we live in. So sorry, atheism.
1:54:10
Now, you got anything else you want to wrap up or plug or
1:54:13
whatever? Well, we've gone over quite a
1:54:17
bit of stuff in this stream tonight, but I'd say on the way
1:54:20
out the door, don't forget, if you're watching this on Rumble,
1:54:25
you're watching this on quarter. Be sure to check out my
1:54:28
description box where you'll find the links to all my social
1:54:30
media accounts as well as other video sharing sites.
1:54:33
I upload my videos too. And I would say, especially to
1:54:37
those of you watching on Rumble or if you're watching on Brett
1:54:40
Keene's channel on YouTube and you're interested in my content,
1:54:44
I would highly encourage you to subscribe to my quarter channel
1:54:48
because Quarter is a YouTube alternative that I myself
1:54:52
started a year and a half ago. It's not something that someone
1:54:55
else made and I'm just a huge advocate for it who knows a lot
1:54:59
about it. I actually made the site myself
1:55:03
run it myself and it has actually run in concordance with
1:55:08
First Amendment values and protection.
1:55:10
So as long as no porn is being displayed on your videos, you
1:55:15
can literally say and do anything you want.
1:55:18
You can even curse up a storm in your videos on Quarter.
1:55:22
You won't get censored in any way.
1:55:24
So if you're into my content after watching this stream, be
1:55:28
sure to subscribe to me on Quarter and join the site and
1:55:31
have fun there. But if you're watching on
1:55:33
Brett's stream and you're like, well, Quarter doesn't interest
1:55:36
me so much. But that Rumble thing looks
1:55:38
really fascinating sub to me on Rumble as well.
1:55:41
You'll find links to all the same stuff there as well, so.
1:55:46
And I don't know how many of you got to see my video earlier, but
1:55:49
I stated that I'm going to start making more of a commitment to
1:55:53
do an exclusive videos over to Rumble as well as more content
1:55:57
on the radio. I'm going to start making it to
1:56:00
where I may be one or two videos every once in a while, a week on
1:56:04
YouTube and that's it. Reason why, in case you guys
1:56:07
didn't see it, is because the elections are coming up.
1:56:11
And I am absolutely convinced that a lot of Youtubers are
1:56:14
going to be demonetized or be completely removed from the site
1:56:18
as they support their favorite president and the whole wide
1:56:21
world Trump. So, and I saw that video and I
1:56:25
absolutely agree with Brett, that is a very real possibility
1:56:28
because it already happened the last time around.
1:56:32
And that's where I feel very comfortable with where I'm at
1:56:35
because, you know, I'm on YouTube.
1:56:37
Sure. And I'm on text.
1:56:39
Sure, but I'm not on Facebook and I'm on Rumble and YouTube
1:56:45
and Bit Shoot and I'm on Odyssey, although I really just
1:56:48
archive with that. I run my own video sharing site
1:56:50
called Quarter. I'm also on X and I'm on Gab and
1:56:54
I'm on Getter and I'm on Truth Social which is Evil Orange
1:56:57
Man's Twitter alternative which I actually like better than Gab
1:57:01
at this point because Gab's gone from being a Twitter alternative
1:57:04
to being a Facebook rip off and it's not even a good one.
1:57:09
But anyway, I'm on all that stuff so I feel like no matter
1:57:12
what happens censorship wise on the Internet, I'm golden.
1:57:16
And plus I have my own social media, site creation Social.
1:57:19
So no matter what censorship happens on the Internet
1:57:22
regarding the elections, I feel secure in the alt tech world and
1:57:26
with my own stuff that I run. Go ahead, Brett.
1:57:29
Well, I did want to point this out to Dark Moon and anyone out
1:57:32
there that's listening or will listen to this later.
1:57:36
If you any of you like Dark Moon who suggests that he's going to
1:57:39
make a video later, talk about how he was depressed in his 20s
1:57:42
because he was dabbling on the fence on is there a God or not.
1:57:47
If you provide the link for me whenever you make these videos,
1:57:50
these and I, these are the type of videos I like when real
1:57:54
people are talking about real issues, not this formulated you
1:57:58
know crap on the Internet. If you do that and you send the
1:58:01
link to me. If you would like, I will
1:58:04
actually make a video reviewing your content and trying to send
1:58:08
viewers over to your stuff. Just let me know.
1:58:10
And also TTOR. Anytime you want to do a podcast
1:58:14
or show let me know and I will set things up and get some
1:58:18
people over there. I don't know why you don't have
1:58:20
100,000 subscribers by now. Obviously there's something in
1:58:24
the water or Kool-aid. Yeah, I I don't think I'll ever
1:58:28
be that big. But.
1:58:29
And if I ever found myself in a scenario where I had 1000 Subs
1:58:33
on YouTube or I had 1000 Subs on Rumble, I would be pretty
1:58:38
content. Because my following would just
1:58:41
be big enough to be a permanent thorn in the side of every
1:58:45
atheist and evolutionist on the Internet.
1:58:47
Because I remember back in the old days with my original
1:58:50
YouTube channel that had 500 Subs.
1:58:53
When I was around the 400 sub mark on that original channel, I
1:58:56
remember there were atheists leading comments on my videos
1:58:59
going Oh my God, I can't believe this moron has 400 subscribers.
1:59:04
They those 400 people must also be morons because I don't see
1:59:07
how anyone could sub to this guy.
1:59:10
That kind of stuff makes me wish I had at least 1000 Subs on
1:59:14
either YouTube or some other video site other than bit shoot
1:59:17
because then it'd be like Oh yeah, you you revel in that
1:59:22
pain. That's the non Christian part of
1:59:26
me I guess. I don't.
1:59:28
Know, Dark Moon says. Lots of laughs.
1:59:30
Yeah, I'm not smart enough to do the formulated crap, so you'll
1:59:33
be getting my own raw experiences.
1:59:36
And that's one of the things that entices me about these
1:59:39
video sharing sites. I enjoy seeing real people talk
1:59:43
about real things. The things that cause you to
1:59:45
think the way you do, the reason why you believe like you do.
1:59:49
No matter who's talking about or what their side is, that stuff
1:59:53
fascinates me. I like to know what the spark
1:59:55
was that set people off, on or off, you know?
2:00:00
Yeah, and I'm with you there, Dark Moon.
2:00:02
I actually prefer the real raw experience.
2:00:05
So your kind of planned content there is what I actually want to
2:00:10
see. It reminds me of my friend
2:00:12
Doctor JD Mitchell. He he wrote a book called The
2:00:16
Creation Dialogues, which was basically like, there's a lot of
2:00:20
things. It was like a combination of him
2:00:23
going to different fossil sites around the world and talking
2:00:26
about what he actually saw there compared to what the
2:00:28
evolutionists teach, combined with like general traditional
2:00:32
research into evolutionary topics compared to young Earth
2:00:36
creationism. It was one of the greatest
2:00:38
apologetics books I ever read because it did a great job
2:00:41
combining his personal experience with traditional
2:00:45
research. But when he tried to get like
2:00:49
AIG or Creation International or ICR to pick up his book and sell
2:00:55
it through their stores, they actually refused to do so
2:00:58
because they didn't like all the personal experience of his that
2:01:02
he combined with traditional research.
2:01:04
They want his book to be all research and no, no personal
2:01:08
experience of like going to all these places that his topics are
2:01:11
about, which is one of those things.
2:01:14
Next we go, God, you people suck.
2:01:19
Yeah, a winning book here and you refuse to carry it because,
2:01:22
well, it's not what we would. So don't feel bad Dark moon
2:01:29
about, you know, not being able to do formulated crap because
2:01:32
you're not smart enough. Don't even worry about that.
2:01:36
Just give us the raw experiences, we will absorb it
2:01:39
and we will probably like it better than a formulated video.
2:01:44
Yeah, when you anybody out there, if you're making videos,
2:01:47
don't. Don't think of how other people
2:01:50
do it or whatever. Think of when you're making a
2:01:53
video. Imagine that you're doing it
2:01:55
primarily for yourself and that you enjoy what you're actually
2:01:58
talking about. Don't don't try to be anyone
2:02:01
else or anything else or to burn out real fast.
2:02:04
Just be yourself. Yeah, I remember the old days
2:02:07
where people used to talk about, well, I want to be a content
2:02:10
creator, but you know, I need to get this mic and I need to get
2:02:13
this software, I need to get this green screen.
2:02:15
I I need to get this and get that.
2:02:17
It's like, dude, dude, just grab a camcorder, put it on a tripod,
2:02:22
film yourself talking. That's all you need to start.
2:02:25
And then over time you can get better equipment, better setups,
2:02:28
make better looking stuff. That's normal.
2:02:32
That's the that's how people used to be on the Internet and
2:02:35
to some extent still are. Especially if you're new to
2:02:38
like, these alt text sites that are springing up.
2:02:41
You know, just just do things with what you do with what you
2:02:44
can use the things you have, save up money over time and that
2:02:48
way you have a content library built up when you start making
2:02:52
better quality videos in terms of a technical side, so.
2:02:56
Yeah, some of our videos probably look really fancy to
2:02:59
someone on the outside. Many people may not know this,
2:03:02
but the microphone I have, it was $80.00 when I got it, but it
2:03:06
can be bought for 40 now. I sound like I'm on the radio,
2:03:09
right? It's it's not just a matter.
2:03:12
A lot of people don't realize it's not just a matter going out
2:03:15
and buying a fancy webcam or a mic.
2:03:18
If you have like free software like OBS, you can add bass to
2:03:22
your voice. You can take a cheesy ass
2:03:24
Walmart mic and make it sound great.
2:03:27
And if you know anything about images, you can do some of the
2:03:29
pretty stuff we do there. So yeah, like like like Brett
2:03:34
Kane's look there on his webcam. I'm pretty sure that's the OBS
2:03:37
virtual Cam. That's right.
2:03:40
You got it. Oh no.
2:03:42
I might fade out or disappear. Then what are we going to do?
2:03:45
I'll be exposed again. That guy made me laugh so hard
2:03:52
the first time I saw his video, long before I actually, you
2:03:55
know, made mine a response to it.
2:03:58
Just like, wow, he's lying to everybody and his evidence is
2:04:02
you switched OBS scenes. Well, that what's weird about it
2:04:06
too. I don't.
2:04:07
I know that you were so jacked up when you wanted to drop
2:04:10
Thor's hammer on his ass and all that, but in my actual video I
2:04:15
say. I'm going to teach you how to do
2:04:17
fades and transitions and all that and how to time them.
2:04:21
I mean, he even said that he was.
2:04:23
There you go, taking yourself off screen so they could see the
2:04:26
stuff that you were covering. Up the issue is a lot of people
2:04:29
nowadays, they Fast forward your voice or they jump to a scene
2:04:33
where they just want to Jack on you a little bit and all that.
2:04:36
They don't listen to the whole thing.
2:04:38
I've Can you guys not look at that and say, Oh yeah, that's an
2:04:42
image right there? I mean, are we serious?
2:04:46
You know, he's trying to convince us that he's really
2:04:51
sitting in a chair and a microphone.
2:04:53
So I pull up actual videos of you on camera, sitting at a desk
2:04:57
with a microphone in front of you.
2:04:59
And on my belly. On my belly.
2:05:02
Doing the virtual swimming. Yes.
2:05:04
Yes, I I still think the analogy I had for were your different
2:05:11
setups over the years was perfect.
2:05:13
Oregon Ducks football uniforms, those really did for years, used
2:05:17
to change so often that they never wore the same uniform
2:05:20
twice week to week, which was fun because they have like
2:05:26
pretty colors, you know, green and yellow and you got some
2:05:29
white in there, you got some black in there, you got some
2:05:32
silver Chrome in there. I remember one year for like the
2:05:35
women's breast cancer awareness month, they actually wore pink
2:05:38
helmets with like their black unis.
2:05:42
There was one other thing I was going to say too, and I don't
2:05:45
know, it may throw you off a little bit, but you know that I
2:05:48
did videos where I explained one of the reasons why I was laying
2:05:51
down was because of the back issues and all that.
2:05:54
Well, I got asked so many times by non believers and I had to
2:05:57
explain so many times that deal. I just figured they were being
2:06:02
jerks to me. Anyway, on Twitter one time
2:06:04
though this guy he goes, bro, why do you lay on your belly for
2:06:07
and? I got so tired of having to
2:06:09
repeat myself. I just said that's just the
2:06:11
position. Your mother likes it and I just
2:06:13
haven't gotten up yet. And boy, he got pissed.
2:06:22
I know I'm terrible. Mama.
2:06:25
Jokes everybody, Mama. Jokes.
2:06:30
Yeah, I had to wake up somebody real quick when you tell about
2:06:36
my mama's heart. Yeah, I could do Mama jokes too
2:06:41
sometimes, but I try to avoid doing that when I'm having real
2:06:44
discussions with people. Oh, I hear you.
2:06:47
I hear you. I know there have been many
2:06:50
times though where someone's just being really stupid with me
2:06:53
and just won't get smarter like this.
2:06:55
He getting stupider and stupider every time they open their
2:06:58
mouth. There are times I've been
2:07:00
tempted to use Mama jokes in that scenario where it's like.
2:07:06
I hear you, man. Because when I was, I was just
2:07:11
going to say when I was a teenager, me and my best friend,
2:07:13
we were all about the Mama jokes, the fart jokes, the belt
2:07:16
chain and all that stuff. So we were like, gross, you
2:07:19
know, adolescent boys. Oh, I hear you, man.
2:07:25
Fun stuff. But you got anything else for
2:07:29
us, Gtor? And hopefully you want to do
2:07:31
another show in the future here soon.
2:07:33
I know you've been busy working at the church and all that.
2:07:36
Yeah, I know that ghost man wants me to come on his show
2:07:40
sometime, so I'm going to probably do that at some point.
2:07:44
But I would actually be interested in coming on your
2:07:47
show exclusively for your radio audience.
2:07:50
I think that would be very fascinating.
2:07:54
Well, there's something you could do that that would be
2:07:58
really helpful. I I know that you appreciate and
2:08:01
like all the content that you make and all that.
2:08:04
But if every once in a while, like maybe once every two weeks,
2:08:08
drop 3 videos that you'd really like to be on the radio just
2:08:12
every like week or two, just e-mail me a couple links and
2:08:15
say, hey, Brett, can you put that up there?
2:08:17
Believe it or not, I don't know how long it's been.
2:08:20
There's so much on there. Maybe you didn't notice, but I
2:08:23
have. Grabbed quite a few of your
2:08:25
videos and put them up there. People can actually see you and
2:08:28
hear you on Spotify. Yeah, I'll have to think about.
2:08:34
Well, one that comes to mind is my video about the law of
2:08:37
Entropy. Did you already do it with that
2:08:39
one or? I haven't grabbed those.
2:08:42
Usually the ones I get about you are is obviously the entropy
2:08:47
one's going to tie into religion, but usually it's
2:08:50
either about God or whenever you're talking about like social
2:08:53
media issues and all that 'cause I at the time I noticed in my
2:08:58
analytics a lot of people are watching about censorship and
2:09:02
and things and I was like, well, this is right up TTORS alley.
2:09:05
I got to put that up there, you know, if you're interested, I I.
2:09:10
This would only be for you though.
2:09:11
I wouldn't do this for anybody else because I don't trust
2:09:14
anybody else, But I can give you some login information and you
2:09:18
can put stuff on the radio yourself if you'd like, if you'd
2:09:22
be interested in that in the future.
2:09:25
Definitely something to think about for sure.
2:09:29
Well, think about it this way. If I gave you it and you did it
2:09:32
a couple times and you like the format.
2:09:35
You you could always somehow make embed this or set it up for
2:09:39
your quarter site and all that. This could actually, once you
2:09:42
see how it works and the code and all that embeds and yadda
2:09:46
yadda yadda, you'll be able to do something more with your
2:09:49
site. If you want to think about it,
2:09:51
yeah, yeah, I it sounds interesting and something I
2:09:55
would follow up on. It's just that right now I'm in
2:09:58
the middle of learning how to make stuff with Blender for the
2:10:03
purposes of my job, and I have to meet up with my book
2:10:06
publisher soon to make a new edition of my superhero novel I
2:10:10
put out last year or earlier this year.
2:10:13
And then there's like a few other things I got to get done
2:10:16
before I can do that. But when those other things get
2:10:19
done, I might just take you up on your offer.
2:10:22
It's just going to be a bit of time.
2:10:24
Well, think about this too. This is why this would be
2:10:27
important for you. You've done an excellent job on
2:10:30
your website, looks good, it's, it's working and everything like
2:10:34
that. But if you were go through this
2:10:36
thing that I'm talking about, you're going to show up on
2:10:39
Amazon Music, you're going to show up on Spotify and several
2:10:43
other international sites out there, right?
2:10:47
If you type in Brett Keene Radio on Google right now, you're
2:10:50
going to see I'm all over the place now.
2:10:53
And it takes about a month for stuff to start showing up and
2:10:56
everything, but I've been doing this for so long, it's all over
2:10:59
the place now. The other thing is, right now, I
2:11:03
don't know if you've got this, but you don't actually have like
2:11:06
apps through Google or anything like that.
2:11:08
And probably never will be able to do that because Google sucks
2:11:10
ass. But through this, you're going
2:11:13
to Spotify, so you'll be on people's phones.
2:11:19
Yeah, that would be helpful for sure.
2:11:20
Which is why I'm saying when I get some other stuff that's on
2:11:24
my immediate plate knocked down, I'll probably take you up on
2:11:27
your offer. It's just, you know, full time
2:11:30
job, things I got to get done, those need to get done first.
2:11:34
But I will definitely take you up on your offer in the future.
2:11:37
How long does it take you to upload one of your videos to
2:11:40
YouTube Recorder on the The Longest Time?
2:11:45
Well it depends how long the video is, but one thing I have
2:11:49
noticed is that my quarter site actually tends to process videos
2:11:54
and make them available to view quicker than YouTube most of the
2:11:57
time. Yeah, yeah, especially on 4K
2:12:02
videos, which is the weird part because.
2:12:03
You Does it take you like under? Let's say you got a 15 minute
2:12:07
video. Are we talking about a 5 minute
2:12:09
upload? 10 minutes?
2:12:11
What's your speed like? It depends on the file size, but
2:12:19
usually it's pretty small in that case, so usually takes like
2:12:22
10 minutes. Well, there you go.
2:12:26
You don't have to look at the coding right away.
2:12:28
It'll be as simple as once you log in, you're going to see up
2:12:31
at the top a button that says New Episode.
2:12:34
And once you click upload, just like YouTube, you fill in the
2:12:37
title, you put in your links, advertise everything that you
2:12:40
got, and it's going to show up everywhere.
2:12:43
It's as simple, just like uploading a rumble or YouTube.
2:12:46
So there you go. And then it'll take care of the
2:12:49
rest. It'll put it everywhere for you
2:12:51
after you've uploaded that, so it'll be pretty intuitive to me
2:12:54
then. Once I see it then.
2:12:57
Oh yeah, yeah. It looks looks like the
2:12:59
interface of almost looks like I guess YouTube and Rumble.
2:13:04
Just click up at the top, upload, boom, fill out the
2:13:07
information. You're done, Dark Moon says.
2:13:12
I've uploaded videos that were almost 2 gigabytes.
2:13:15
They upload in about 10 minutes, but they process about 30
2:13:18
minutes for me on quarter. And that's why I tend to get my
2:13:23
videos compressed and make them much smaller than that.
2:13:27
Because when they're like under 500 megabytes, they tend to
2:13:29
upload and process pretty quickly on quarters.
2:13:32
All right, encoding server. Dark Moon.
2:13:35
If you run OBS and record your videos that way, and you go into
2:13:40
the settings and set it to half quality, that's what I got mine
2:13:43
set at. Guess how big my videos are.
2:13:46
If I do an hour video, you're talking about less than 400
2:13:50
megabytes. That's how I'm able to just make
2:13:52
video after video. If it's 10 minutes, you're
2:13:55
talking maybe 2 minutes. The longest it takes me to do it
2:13:58
is just filling out the information.
2:14:00
That's it, Yep. And Brett has put out a lot of
2:14:04
videos every day on a regular basis for a long time, and
2:14:09
that's why you can just chirk them out pretty quickly.
2:14:15
All right, well, we've gone 2 hours and 14 minutes.
2:14:18
I feel like this has been a great show, and I feel like
2:14:22
people learn something today, especially about the Seattle
2:14:26
Atheist Church, and they're talking unicorns that they pass
2:14:29
around so people can speak. This will be on Spotify as well.
2:14:34
I'm going to upload this to the radio.
2:14:37
Yep, And I see you there, Darkman 75, his videos that are
2:14:43
about 2 gigabytes in size, he records them on his PS4.
2:14:48
So yeah, I think a lot of his videos he doesn't even use a
2:14:51
computer for. He just records off a console,
2:14:53
which a lot of people have done and do.
2:14:56
Well, the even the PS4, if I remember in PS5 if you before
2:15:01
you hit broadcast go down to do it in 7/20, it doesn't have to
2:15:06
be in 108720, it'll look perfect and I think all those videos of
2:15:10
his have been in 720P on my platform.
2:15:13
So Yep. But anyway thanks for joining
2:15:18
the show Brett. Thank you for leaving all the
2:15:20
comments. Dark Moon and Bubble Gun.
2:15:23
I will look forward to seeing you next time.
2:15:27
Next week will be a podcast of the TTOR show.
2:15:32
The next GOD TV Radio podcast will be in two weeks.
2:15:37
Of course, I just realized that I have the wrong well, that's
2:15:44
interesting. I've been using the TTOR show
2:15:48
stuff instead of GOD TV Radio this whole night and no one said
2:15:51
anything. Oh, it's all good.
2:15:54
I think that's whatever I used. I played the right intros.
2:16:03
Oh goodness. Oh, but it's still a great show,
2:16:06
even though I just realized that.
2:16:09
So with that being said, I'll let you guys go.
2:16:12
I'll see you in two weeks for the GOD TV radio.
2:16:14
I'll see you next week for an actual episode of the TTOR show
2:16:19
and not a fake one like today for anyone who noticed that the
2:16:23
whole time. And hopefully I'll see you after
2:16:27
the show, Brett. All right, peace out the.