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Every Accusation Is a Confession — We Debunk Anti China Tweets Live | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, I think we're live. Welcome everyone to a
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  Speaker 1: brand new show, new concept. Carl and I are going
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  Speaker 1: to react to various tweets, various viral posts, and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of chat about it and hopefully interact with the
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  Speaker 1: audience as well.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing this morning, Carl?
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  Speaker 3: Good? Good? How are you, sir? Sometimes I'm pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. Yeah, it's been a while. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a while.
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  Speaker 1: So we've we've cued up some stuff over the We've
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  Speaker 1: been talking about doing this for a while and we've
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  Speaker 1: queued up some stuff that we wanted to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: I've sent some stuff into our our chat. You've sent
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  Speaker 1: some stuff and I've loaded it up here in in
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  Speaker 1: our account. Fingers crossed, everything will work here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, yeah, we've got them. And I think.
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  Speaker 1: You've I've seen everything you've sent, You've seen everything I've sent.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we had a chance to think about it.
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  Speaker 1: But hold on, I've got this on the background. We've
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  Speaker 1: already got a comment. Man, Carl has the best shirts.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks to my wife. My wife dressed me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When I was when I went to Malaysia, I was
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  Speaker 1: in a shop and I saw a shirt and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, that is such a Carl shirt, and they've
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  Speaker 1: got my size, so I got one. I haven't really
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  Speaker 1: I haven't really had the balls to wear it out.
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  Speaker 1: So I got to wait till we're together and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've got somebody else who really rocks it well,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna you know.
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  Speaker 3: You could have done it today, you know, next time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's just jump right into this. So
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  Speaker 1: let's see what we've got for our first tweet, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Henry Gao says, for those who kept saying that the
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  Speaker 1: CCP has lifted eight hundred million people out of poverty,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever wondered who put them there in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. I'm sure he thought he was doing something
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  Speaker 1: with this. I'm sure he thought it made sense. What's yours?
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  Speaker 2: But you go ahead?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is like that following going show,
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  Speaker 3: you know, life before Communism, right, like the idea that
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  Speaker 3: before communism China is just like paradise utopia, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: But but for people who study a little bit of history,
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  Speaker 3: you would know, uh, that's that's that's far from the truth.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there were famines, foreign invasions, civil war. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: the famine was regular occurs before nineteen forty nine, Like
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  Speaker 3: all throughout China, there were the only recorded famine that
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  Speaker 3: we know that was reported by Western media. There were
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  Speaker 3: famine in nineteen forty two, which was reported by American
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  Speaker 3: reporter Theodore White who worked for the Time magazine. His
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  Speaker 3: reporting on the Glennon family in nineteen forty two actually
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  Speaker 3: almost got him fired because Junkish, his wife so manning
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  Speaker 3: at the time, she wielded a lot of influence. She
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  Speaker 3: went directly to Theodore's employer, the guy who owns the
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  Speaker 3: Time magazine, tried to get Theodore fired for for just
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  Speaker 3: exposure shedding light on the nineteen forty two famine. And
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  Speaker 3: then there was another family in nineteen forty six. Again,
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  Speaker 3: these because there were a lot of Americans reporters in
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  Speaker 3: China at that time, both before, during and after World
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  Speaker 3: War Two. So these are just a famine that we
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  Speaker 3: know of, and there were like photographic evidence and that
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  Speaker 3: that was the reality of China. And another thing is literacy.
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  Speaker 3: Literacy rate was about you know, like it was like
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  Speaker 3: ten to fifteen percent, you know, like ninety percent of
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  Speaker 3: the people in China where you literate before nineteen forty nine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean to think that that that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, I think we got a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a delay, so you go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you frozen there?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think it's my pie, my internet, you know. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: maybe actually just take a break and let you go. Yeah, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody wouldn't be able to or
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  Speaker 1: who could look at what China came from and where
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  Speaker 1: they are now, like the level of status they have
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  Speaker 1: in the world, the level of wealth, and not think
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  Speaker 1: this is nothing short of an absolute miracle. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a chart that was shared by one of our
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  Speaker 1: friends on Twitter here too. This is the life expectancy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, right, like where does this happen? You know,
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of people lifted out of extreme poverty.
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  Speaker 1: Like the question, I'm sure when he typed it out
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  Speaker 1: he really thought he was doing something, but he did
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  Speaker 1: he definitely didn't think it true and doesn't have a
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  Speaker 1: grasp on Chinese history, even though this seems to be
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  Speaker 1: what he's selling as his specialty. But yeah, no, let's
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  Speaker 1: go into the next one. We've got a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: stuff lined up here. Let's take a quick look at
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  Speaker 1: the take a look at the comments. We can look
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  Speaker 1: at the comments in between, because I find when we
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  Speaker 1: do these live streams, especially when it's a big group
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  Speaker 1: of people, when we do like four people, we never
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  Speaker 1: really get to the comments that much. So let's see here,
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  Speaker 1: let's pull some of them up. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: comment on these two prior to European colonialism in the
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  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, China was interned together with India, world's number
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  Speaker 1: one and two economies for two thousand years. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to comment on any of these as they bring
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  Speaker 1: them up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean it's true, it's true. You know,
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  Speaker 3: China was the world's largest economy before before, especially before
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  Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution happened in England. But one of the
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  Speaker 3: reasons for that is because before Industrial Revolution, most of
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  Speaker 3: the economy is basically agriculture. So it's measure like if
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  Speaker 3: you have more people, you have like the larger the
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  Speaker 3: size of the economy. And China, you know in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: in like eighteen forty at the time, well okay, my
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  Speaker 3: internet is really bad. But in eighteen forties, at the
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  Speaker 3: time of First Opian War, Chinese population is about forty
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  Speaker 3: percent of the world's total population. So of course, you know,
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  Speaker 3: China was the world's largest economy back then, but in
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  Speaker 3: terms of GDP per capita at that time in eighteen forty,
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  Speaker 3: China was already falling behind, and mostly because England was
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  Speaker 3: already able to finish the first round of Industrial revolution
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  Speaker 3: by eighteen forty. This is one of the reasons, you know,
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  Speaker 3: China was defeated in the war because now it was
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  Speaker 3: basically a agregarian country pitting against the first industrialized nation
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  Speaker 3: on Earth. So there was a there was a huge
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  Speaker 3: technological gap. But yeah, that's just my little.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, this is a This is a really
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  Speaker 1: good point too that the CBC has restored sovereignty to China,
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  Speaker 1: and that's important too, because the way that they've developed
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  Speaker 1: also is in their own way and without reliance on
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  Speaker 1: the Western systems, at least as much as possible in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the financial systems, in terms of the social
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  Speaker 1: media networks, they've created their own systems. When you have
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  Speaker 1: a situation where Europe is all of a sudden saying, wow,
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  Speaker 1: we need to diversify a bit, they are so entrenched
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  Speaker 1: with US technology, infrastructure, finance, security, everything that it's almost impossible,
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  Speaker 1: but they're you know, China has done this in such
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  Speaker 1: a way without those vulnerabilities.
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  Speaker 3: So let's and China has done it without clon, without
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  Speaker 3: practicing colonialism and imperialism. You know, the Europe's rise in
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  Speaker 3: the last five New years, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: that derived from the capital accumulation from from colonialism that
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  Speaker 3: enable England, for example, to leave forward with the industrial revolution.
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  Speaker 3: But China's rise, you know, it was mostly peaceful in
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  Speaker 3: the modern times. It was peaceful, and it was done
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  Speaker 3: without colonial expansion or practicing imperialists among its neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point too, because if somebody
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  Speaker 1: asked me it was offline and somebody had said to me,
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  Speaker 1: they said, you know, imagine if America had just chosen
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  Speaker 1: a different way where they cooperate with China in this
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  Speaker 1: new multipolar world and they work together, you know, for
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  Speaker 1: the betterment of the world. I said, you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be kind of hard, because you know, China
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  Speaker 1: actually produces something, China actually has an economy that isn't
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  Speaker 1: relied on the exploitation of the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 1: The US and their wealth is still largely designed around
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  Speaker 1: the exploitation and subjugation of the rest of the world,
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  Speaker 1: including their own allies, including their own allies in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what they can and can't do. And you know
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  Speaker 1: when they say jump, they say, how hi that is?
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  Speaker 1: That's something that doesn't really happen here. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: they couldn't co exist like that. How are they going
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  Speaker 1: to co exist with China when that is what their
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  Speaker 1: wealth is based upon. If they coexist with China in
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  Speaker 1: such a way where they say, Okay, we'll play this
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  Speaker 1: game together and we'll kind of take the same approach
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  Speaker 1: of you know, like I said, the betterment of the world,
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  Speaker 1: that's not really how it actually works when you look
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  Speaker 1: at it. I'll bring up the next one so we
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  Speaker 1: can continue on. So we have this Denise, who also
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  Speaker 1: very you know, anti China online activist. I feel sorry
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  Speaker 1: for the Chinese engineers who realized their intellectual property belongs
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  Speaker 1: to the state, not them after the Manus Order. So
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  Speaker 1: this was in regards to the story of the Facebook
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  Speaker 1: deal getting blocked. I'll put my this is one of
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  Speaker 1: the stories I put forward, and I replied to her
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  Speaker 1: ended up ended up ratioing her quite a bit, said
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  Speaker 1: why feel sorry for the Chinese? Because I knew that
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  Speaker 1: this stuff happens all the time in foreign countries. So
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  Speaker 1: if we look at those specific examples of I zoom
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  Speaker 1: in on them. Qualcomm was blocked from being sold to
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  Speaker 1: a Singapore based company. There's another US private company that
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  Speaker 1: was going to be sold to China, same thing blocked,
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  Speaker 1: us being sold to a jap Chinese country, a Japanese
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  Speaker 1: company blocked. And the list goes on and on and
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  Speaker 1: on here. And these are just only some of the examples. Like,
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  Speaker 1: this is just something that happens all the time. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why I said, well, why why do you only
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  Speaker 1: feel sorry for the Chinese?
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  Speaker 2: Same thing?
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  Speaker 1: I think she thought she was doing something there, but
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense, like if that's that's the standard,
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  Speaker 1: well then everybody has that problem everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have something to add in
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there there's some contacts about that that story too.
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  Speaker 3: So Manus is the AI company that was formed in China.
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  Speaker 3: They're data there. Their AI was trained on Chinese and
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  Speaker 3: it was produced by Chinese AI engineers. So what what
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  Speaker 3: the the AI? The Manu's founder, what they try to
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  Speaker 3: do is they try to incorporate, uh, they try to
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  Speaker 3: incorporate their company in Singapore and then so they can
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  Speaker 3: claim they're not a Chinese company, they're not unserable to
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  Speaker 3: to the Chinese government, and you know, in order to
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  Speaker 3: facilitate the deal with Facebook, they actually fired their beaiging employees,
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  Speaker 3: you know, several hundreds of people. So the Chinese government said, no,
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  Speaker 3: you can't do that. You can't just like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: take the intellectual property that you build by training on
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  Speaker 3: Chinese user data, by using Chinese AI engineers, and then
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  Speaker 3: go ahead and sell to uh to to Facebook for
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  Speaker 3: like I forgot, what was the deal, like hundreds of
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  Speaker 3: billions of dollars or something, and then fire all the
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  Speaker 3: Chinese AI engineers inside China, you know, just to prove
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  Speaker 3: profit for yourself. You're not allowed to do that. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a perfectly legitimate reason for the Chinese.
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  Speaker 2: If you think about it too.
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  Speaker 1: There is an ecosystem here, including subsidies, grants, all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of things to encourage this industry. So if you take
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  Speaker 1: advantage of government and public funds in order to grow
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  Speaker 1: this company and then sell it so that you can
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  Speaker 1: privately profit from it, that is something that happens over
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  Speaker 1: and over and over again in the US, whether it
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  Speaker 1: be you know, the technology behind the intranet invented for
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  Speaker 1: the military and then commercialized and privatized so that AOL
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  Speaker 1: can you know, profit from it privately. What is it
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  Speaker 1: they say that they have in America?
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  Speaker 3: They have.
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  Speaker 1: Socialized development but privatized profits and and so that is
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  Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous. And people even in the US look
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  Speaker 1: at that and say, wow, this is kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: not right. But China is putting a stop to that.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, there's a there's a comment here.
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  Speaker 1: It's just one where TikTok and from Dinko Kumar. And
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  Speaker 1: that's a good point too, because if you talk about
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  Speaker 1: Chinese companies building something and owning it, well, how about
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  Speaker 1: when the US forces you to sell a big portion
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  Speaker 1: of it? Shouldn't you feel sorry for Chinese developers at
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  Speaker 1: that point when they were forced to sell part of
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  Speaker 1: their company to US even though they didn't want to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, So that's that's kind of hypocritical of somebody
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  Speaker 1: to pretend to feel sorry for the corporate owners of
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  Speaker 1: of of Mannus. Let's see, we'll see what else we
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  Speaker 1: got here for comments before we move on to the
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  Speaker 1: next one video of deep sea Okay, let's see here banners,
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  Speaker 1: no media so that's here we go, so we will
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  Speaker 1: move on to the next one.
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  Speaker 2: So it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: These uploads worked, but they're all over the place, so
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  Speaker 1: I have to find them. We'll see what we got here. Okay, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is one that you picked up on. Also, a
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  Speaker 1: pro AI dark money group backed by a powerful super
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  Speaker 1: pac funded by execs tied to Planteer and Open AI
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  Speaker 1: has been secretly paying influencers to push pro AI, anti
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  Speaker 1: China propaganda on TikTok and Instagram. When I sent this
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  Speaker 1: to you in our chat, you had highlighted the more
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  Speaker 1: the specifics here. Sample messaging provided by Build American AI
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  Speaker 1: to content creators include lines like I just learned that
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  Speaker 1: China's trying really hard to.
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  Speaker 2: Beat the US and AI.
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  Speaker 1: If they do, it could mean that China gets personal
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  Speaker 1: data from me and my kids and take jobs that
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  Speaker 1: should be here in USA. And then in the AI
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  Speaker 1: innovation race, I'm team USA. First of all, how artificial
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  Speaker 1: does that sound? But do you want to expand on that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were paying apparently they were paying five thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars per TikTok segment. This again, pallid Heer, this is
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  Speaker 3: the AI company United States has deeply embedded in with
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  Speaker 3: the US military that was used during the Israeli genocide
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  Speaker 3: in Gaza. And they also construcruet massive surveillance states inside
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  Speaker 3: the United United States, you know, for the Palanteer and
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  Speaker 3: the Texpo in the Silicon Valleys. They're one of the
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  Speaker 3: leading uh uh they're they're like one of the leading
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  Speaker 3: anti China voices inside the United States. And one reason
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  Speaker 3: is they're afraid of competition. They're afraid they're they're afraid
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  Speaker 3: that the Chinese AI is making their business model obsolete.
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  Speaker 3: Because right now there's a huge AI bobb bubble building
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  Speaker 3: in the United States. You know, there's some estimate if
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  Speaker 3: you take away all the AI investment that went in
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  Speaker 3: to build data centers, then the US economy essentially had
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  Speaker 3: no growth in over the last year. And all these
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  Speaker 3: investments into into this AI bubble actually doesn't justify given
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  Speaker 3: all these uh so far they have generated very little revenue.
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  Speaker 3: Like the amount of revenue those those AI have so
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  Speaker 3: far generated does not justify the gargantial investment that went in.
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  Speaker 3: But the idea was they're trying to grab the market share,
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  Speaker 3: they're trying to gain a monopoly, so so allows them
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  Speaker 3: to collect a toe in the very near near future
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  Speaker 3: where like people depend everything on AI and then every
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  Speaker 3: time you use chat ept for example, you have to
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  Speaker 3: pay them that that's that's the whole idea. But what
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  Speaker 3: happened was, you know, you have Chinese AI companies like
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  Speaker 3: deep Seek that was giving out stuff for free.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I mean like the whole open source model that was
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  Speaker 3: backed by China destroyed the western uh uh proprietary AI
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  Speaker 3: business model. You know, like now that all these uh
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  Speaker 3: san Outman of Open Ai looks silly when he goes
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  Speaker 3: around asked for like five hundred billion dollars for his
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  Speaker 3: Stargate project, when here you have a deep Seek that
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  Speaker 3: was developed for less than the amount of money. Uh
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  Speaker 3: that that Sam out that that costs Sam Altman his
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  Speaker 3: own car. Uh So like suddenly they they look ridiculous
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  Speaker 3: and it destroyed their whole whole plan for for tech monopoly.
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  Speaker 3: This is why they're dead set against Chinese AI development.
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  Speaker 3: This is why they're they're also the main backer of
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  Speaker 3: the United States chip sanction against China. The whole idea
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  Speaker 3: behind the chip sanction is to destroy China's AI or
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  Speaker 3: or destroy China's AI development, so you will not surpass
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  Speaker 3: the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder almost if if it's because it's a
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  Speaker 1: consumer facing product in a lot of cases that they
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  Speaker 1: have to be a little bit more delicate about how
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  Speaker 1: they do this propaganda, and that's why they actually have
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  Speaker 1: to pay to get influencers out there. And I'll contrast
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  Speaker 1: that to something else. You've had multiple examples of industries where,
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  Speaker 1: for example, the aluminum industry says that, okay, China is
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  Speaker 1: beating us, We've got to figure out how to block
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  Speaker 1: them from our markets, and so they lobby the government
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  Speaker 1: for months and months and months, and then about a
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  Speaker 1: year later you see something come out saying that we
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  Speaker 1: have sanctioned Chinese aluminum because we have found it contains
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  Speaker 1: forced labor without any actual evidence. And they've done that
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  Speaker 1: for other industries also, so they have a more direct
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  Speaker 1: pipeline to be able to crush industries like that. Like
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  Speaker 1: the ordinary consumer is not going to be like, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: I can't buy raw aluminum from China anymore, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But when it comes to stuff like this, and especially
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  Speaker 1: because people are becoming a little bit more aware, they
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  Speaker 1: actually have to spend not just on the lobbying side,
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  Speaker 1: towards the government, but to shape public opinion. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's happened for a long time. Anyways, this has been
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  Speaker 1: a thing that's gone on for ages and ages and ages,
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  Speaker 1: but nothing new.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going after Labo now, they're going after La Booboo. Now,
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  Speaker 3: Like recently I saw like the the US Congress, Uh,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: they're they're the US Congress is a selected comedye on
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: CCP influence or whatever. They are retweeting an article that claiming, Okay, yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: you know you you thought also La Boobo are killed
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and fluffy, but did you know it contains the shin
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: junk cotton you know how she were she young cotton
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: from come from you come from oigor slave labor. You know,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: like everything is somehow justified, you know, by these baseless
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: bogus claim like La Boo Boo is dangerous because it's
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: produced by oger slave labors. Ridiculous.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they they they they that's their go to claim
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: for you know, vast sanctions and they don't actually have
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: anything to back it up.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: There was one time where.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: They accused a company that made wigs from synthetic hair,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and it was like, I can't remember how many tons
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of artificial hair that was shipped to the US and
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it was seized by the US Border Control. Yeah, and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: they said that, oh, this contains Weiger hair.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And if you looked at if you looked.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: At the amount of shipments out from this, like you
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: looked at the waybills out from this factory, and how
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: many tons of hair that they're shipping, and you look
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: at the population of Awigers, and then you divide it
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: by half, you would not be able to find a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Wiger woman with hair anymore if they were harvesting their
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: product from the hair of Weiger women. And on an
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: interview with excuse me, I think it was Radio Free
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Asia or Voice of America, somebody from the US government
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: said that they were going to put it through DNA
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: testing to confirm that it actually came from Wiger women.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And I was like, this is going to be funny
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: because it's obviously going to come back as false. Like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: there's no way this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: result was that they never released anything. They probably tested
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it and they're like, oh crap, it is artificial hair.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So if they had released that, it would undermine not
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: only that propaganda effort, but anything else that they would
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: say in the future, because they made such a big
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: deal about it, so it would be better for them
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just to not say anything at all and just pretend
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that that didn't happen and hope people forget about it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: But I had been waiting for that. I had been
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: waiting for that, for that report.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see if we got any comments here,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: we can move on to the next one.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So Denise, so was that one? Eight nine?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is he You're gonna have fun with this one.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: So we had a post from metmet Toti. China's government
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: has set up alcohol drinking training centers for wigers, especially
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: for those who are seventy or older, to push them
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to I think it means to intoxicate themselves in Korala
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: City and East Turkistan. And then so this is I mean,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: this guy, this guy puts out a lot of crazy
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: crap to begin with, he's from the overseas Weigger community,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and it's not a surprise, it's not a surprise. But
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: then you get people who are trying to present themselves
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: as actual academics who want to be taken seriously in
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: serious circles, who then go on to uh post it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: also and say drink drinking alcohol training base. In the video,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: training was a term used for the internment camps, and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and so like he's really he's really believing
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: in this, and uh, then you had, uh let's see,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I get. I'll let you chime in on this in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a second.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: For people who are not familiar with Jen Millward, he's
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: actually a Chinese historian who works at George Tongue School
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: of Foreign Service. I mean basically he's he's working at
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the CIA finishing school, right like a lot of a
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: lot of the George Town graduate for the the School
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: of Foreign Service went straight straight into the CIA pipeline.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: And he's one of these academics that lent the kind
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: of veneer of respectability to the whole Oigor genocide narrative.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: And now he's a China expert. Now here he's saying, oh,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: he's confirming that that what the expert was saying. And
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: except except this, this whole thing about Alcohol Training Center
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: is that in Chinese internet, mean, you know, for people
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: who lived in China who are or just like active
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: on Chinese social media knew this was a mean it
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: was a joke about referring to ordinary restaurant, right instead
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: of calling a restaurant, they call it the alcohol training Center.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: But jam Millward, who hasn't been in China for decades,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: uh you know, who obviously also apparently does not participate
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: on Chinese social media, you know, does not understand it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: He does not understand the means. So he is imparting
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: some dark sinister you know, like like meaning behind those words.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: But you just exposed his total ignorance of the Chinese
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: pop culture, I mean, if anything, and and a lot
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: of people, a lot of Chinese, both Chinese people and
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: foreigners who live in China, replied to him, pointing out
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to him his mistake. But he just doubled down on it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: He just like his double down in a second because before.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll get Bethany in on it too, because
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: for him, at least, you know, for a long time,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: we've seen his content and you know that it's full
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: of bs. But he comes across as like a like
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: somebody who would be able to convince ordinary people. Now,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Bethany is also one of these, uh you know, kind
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of you know, anti China activists. She's slightly more unhinged.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: She doesn't come across as much as a normal person
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: like when Trump was elected. She said, I had a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: dream that when Trump got elected, my hair, my long
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: blonde hair, grew down to the floor and I used
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it to cover the body of my brown husband and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: protect him. Like normal people don't. They probably don't have
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that dream to begin with. But if you do, you
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: don't go out and just post something unhinged like that,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you know. But nonetheless, maybe a slightly lower grade of
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: people who believe in anti China propaganda would believe her,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and she like really went into this deep analysis about
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: woh yeah, you know, and they really actually believe what's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: being said. But James, because he has to pretend to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: be a normal person who honestly engages with the content,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: he couldn't ignore the fact that everybody was ratioing him,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: telling him, dude, it's just a joke, and so desperately
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to try to save himself, he changed the tone a
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: little bit, but still at the at the end of
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the day double down critical comments suggest that this establishment
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: is a bar restaurant. That's even more interesting, though dark
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: at such a place would ironically evoke the Camps and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the idea of a base as a restaurant name. While
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: styling Weiger celebration pilof if I pronounce that right, Weiger
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: celebration food like He's still he couldn't like, he couldn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: bring himself to say, all right, you know, I got
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: caught by a mean got.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh no, this is still so dark.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Never mind the fact that if you go to these places,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: if you go to you know, cash gar or hot Hand,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and you go to these nightclubs and these bars, it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: filled with Weiger people. Like it's like Weiger people have
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: thousands of years of a drinking culture. They make their
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: own wine, They have their own special wine that they
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: make from grapes. Like, just because they're Muslim, it doesn't
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: mean that they strictly follow the same interpretation of Islam
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that other places do. And that was part of the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: problem when extremism was coming in because they were there
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: were people who are trying to force other Vigers to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: follow a more strict interpretation of Islam. But Vigers drink,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: That's the fact of the matter. Hardly any eat pork
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: they follow that that portion of it. But drinking is
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: something that they love to do and they've done it
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: for a long time.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I dontever you want to you want to add to that.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually I remember, like, you know, maybe listening to
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: podcasts Seneca by Kaiser Gul. He interviewed one Chinese American
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: UH who works in those like N E. D circles
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: that went into cover the the Shinjong issue, and she
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: said she was uh shocked when she first come into
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: contact with Oigurs in China because she grew up as
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: like an expat in Middle East, like her parents work
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: in the in the in the Gulf region. So she
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: had expected, uh, you know, because she thought, okay, because
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: if they're Muslim, then must where like fully covered up
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: and and all that. So she was she was shocked
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: in China, she didn't she find these people are not
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the practicing the same brand of Islam that was practiced
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: in you know, places like Saudi Arabia or you know.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: But I'm actually surprised because she if she she working,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: if she lived in places like Dubai, she she would
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: also know like is not like you know, it's but anyway,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: so but she she claims she was like really shocked
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: that how they uh Oigwards in young didn't stick to
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: you know, what she considered Islam, and I just thought
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: this is so American. It's just like like a typical
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: American thinking, right, Like the Americans are so parochial. They're
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: in their idea that the the realcho Islam is you know,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: you gotta be wrapped up being up Berca and and
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you know, only show your eyes or something like that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: It's it's just you know, it shows it really shows
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: more about her only ignorance say anything else. But anyway, yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: that's just.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: What I yeah, yeah, no, I mean like yeah, people
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: have this image of them being this really traditional people
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and where you know, and it's almost like the West
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: wants them to stay like how they always were before,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: even though every single society moves on. Also, like I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: remember when they were renovating the Old City to bring
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: running water into the Old city like previously in those
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: old cities, like the kids would bathe.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Outside with buckets. Now they have plumbing and everything.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Even that was like, oh, wow, look what they're doing
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to these areas or what's that that other guy that
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that that semi famous guy who took an issue with
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the teeth brushing campaign from the hygiene department. He's like, oh,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: this is a form of colonialization.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You remember who that was?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: What's his name Timothy Growth. Yeah, Timothy Growth. There's something yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, the place is modernizing while keeping a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: lot of the traditional elements, but there's such a modern people.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was in Shinjang a couple years ago,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I was in the Sunday bazaar and I met this
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: kid who showed me all around the market and he
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: just came across as this like really cool kid, really
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: cared about his family, and he's the same age as
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: my eldest son. So I stayed in contact with him.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: When I got back to Chung Ching, I sent him
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a skateboard because he's he's really into sports and stuff
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like that. So I bought a skateboard and sent it
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to him, and then we were back in Shinjang two
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: weeks ago and I met up with him with my family,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: so he got to meet my son. I met some
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of his family and I took them to dinner. But
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: when I first met when I first met up with him,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I was just going to give him a friendly handshake,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and he dapped me up.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: He's did the whole thing. He's like, hey, what's up,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: you know, and.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, just really just probably not like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: people would imagine. Yeah, let's see here, so we have
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: where were we?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: So the last one was the alcohol training center. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: got to figure out.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: A better way to to organize this later.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, while you're looking for that out tell my
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: own anecdotal stories. Yeah, travel to Shinjung just last year,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: you know, like you know, I went around the city
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: of cash Gar during the National Day holiday. I would
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: just I just decided to film like a thirty minute
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: video of my walking through the street without me adding
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: any commentary, just by showing all these wig were people
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: out in the street going about daily live. That itself
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: blowed the whole general side narrative out of the water.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: And then I also remember, you know, uh, one of
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: my fellow traveler, a guy, a South African guy, we
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: were at the cafe in Kucha and he's like, Carl, did.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: You see that.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what what he said, dude? That barrista, that barista, dude,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: he's like flaming.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh yeah, and I noticed, and and
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: then and I thought about it, you know, like the
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: the very presence of that flaming oiger barrista.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And also his coworker, who is an Oiger woman. She
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: is a dressed in like not you know, she's just
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: covered up like she wear long sleep and stuff. But
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: but like for she's wearing like form hugging clothing. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I told him, like just a few years ago or
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: maybe like ten years back, uh, you will probably not
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: see people like that so openly on the street because
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: because the problem that was prevalently like what you mentioned there,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: they're they're extremists, extremists who forced people to dress a
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: certain way and to behave a certain way. You would
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: not have like like ten years ago, you definitely would
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: not have a openly flame me a gay barista like
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: out in the open, you know, serving coffee in the
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: in a touristy town. That just would not happen.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of local friends in Kashgar, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: one of them told me that the people who are
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: most thankful to the amount of effort and attention that
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: China put towards solving that extreme is an issue are
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the women, because they were the ones who were when
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: their their husbands or the fathers, whatever it is, were
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: convinced that they needed to adopt this more extreme interpretation
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of Islam. They were the ones who were feeling the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: brunt of it. Not allowed to go out anymore, not
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: allowed to go to university, you know, it couldn't consume
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: outside media, just had to you know, read these texts
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that they had basically trying to take like a kind
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of taliban isk interpretation of Islam and force.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: It upon them.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, they are the ones who are the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: most thankful for that, But across the board, like whether
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: it was you know, somebody drinking, they'd have to be
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: more careful about it during that time again, even though
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: once again they have thousands of years of drinking culture
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and history. During that time, there were people who were
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: looking out for you and wanted to target you for
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: not following that strict interpretation. And you know, it's ironic
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: because you know, everybody, uh, everybody who got on board with, oh,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: we got to do something for the women of Afghanistan.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: The solution was to bomb the ship out of them,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you know, that was the solution. And it's like, yeah,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: but we got to we got to free the women.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And the result of that was that innocent people lost
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: their lives while they were pretending to care about the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: women of Afghanistan. When a similar kind of extremism was
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: creeping in that was pushing women in China toward that
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: same direction. They so they had these education, vocation training centers.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Even if you want to say that there were a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: percentage of people that got sent to there who had
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to go to mandatory training, which you could by the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: way you were leaving on the weekends. Even BBC when
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: they were trying to spin it as something really negative,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you could see that it was pretty much a school. Okay,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they probably had to go there, they went home on
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the weekends. If you consider that there were a certain
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: percentage of people that were told you have to go
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to this who didn't deserve to go to that, that's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a reasonable conclusion that that probably happened.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: In some cases.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: The result of China's approach was that innocent people might
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: have got trained. They might have got training, vocational training.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: The result of America's approach to terrorism in an area
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: that they don't even have jurisdiction over was that you
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: will lose your life completely, or you know your family
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: members will lose your life. So it's really ironic when
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you look at that and you actually take a look
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: at what they were fighting and what was going on.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And now there, you know, there's there are kind of
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: pivot away from like genocide to cultural genocide because they
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: know it's kind of ridiculous, especially if ejuctapus what's happening
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: in Gaza today. They're trying to say, oh, it's a
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: cultural genocide. Now they're they're teaching school kids wigor kids
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Mandarin in school, you know, trying to wipe out their
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: their their linguistic identity. I mean, that's that's bullshit. Because
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I was in Shin Young everybody, all the locals speak
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: o Gore and you know, I just pick up one
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: couple of phrases. I just go around and say, uh
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: jack shi mus says, you know, which is the standard
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: greeting in Ogor. Everybody just light up, like their their
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: facial expressions just changes. They breakout in smiles like oh
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: you knowgor And then then we have a conversation and
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: everybody spoke like even little kids. But the difference is though,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I did notice there's a generation gap in kind of
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: the Mandarin skill skills. Like really people fifty and years
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: of older, a lot of them don't speak standard Mandarin, like,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: but the people people start from from, like in the
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: thirties and forties. They could speak Mandarin. We could communicate,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: but you can, you know, sometimes there's still a little
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: bit uh still still you know, like they don't speak
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: that fluently. And I did notice among younger children like
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: they they they're perfectly bilingual. Because there was a time
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I was traveling with Pepe Escobar, the Brazilian journalists. He
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: wanted to trim his beard. So we walk into a
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Oiger barber shop in cold time, in the middle of
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the night, and and so the two barbers were like
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Oigers in their late twenties, so we strike a conversation
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: with there's still sometimes some words they couldn't communicate. But
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: they have a kid who from their neighboring shop, who
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: is about like ten years old. So he acted as
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: a slater because he was like perfectly fullent in bos
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Oiger and man doing Chinese. So I mean, like just
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: just by being there interacting with locals, you realize all
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: this stuff in the in the Western propaganda, it's just
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent projection. They're trying to say what China
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: is doing in Shinjuan today is equivalent to what you know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: US and Canada were doing to the Native Americans in
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: the Indian school right like like uproot the children from
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: separate their from their families, their community and force them
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: to assimilate and learn English. That was not the case,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: man Like people. Kids just go to school like anywhere else,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: and they go home after afterwards. I've been there. I saw,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: you know. I was there during the afternoon rush hour
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: when all the kids ride their bicycle to go home.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: When I met the same kid that I was talking
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: about here, he brought his he called him his brother,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: but actually it was, if I remember correctly, his mother's brother.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: But they said in Weig culture he would he would
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: still just call him brother. And he was I think
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: he was in his late thirties. He's a tradesman. He
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: does like he works for like uh, I guess renovation,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Like he does home renovations and stuff like that. Basically
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: a manual laborer. He's in his I would say, in
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: his late thirties. And yeah, we couldn't. We had to,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you know, my friend, the kid, he had to translate
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: for us when when I was talking to him, he
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: could say a few things, but not much.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: He brought his daughter also, who was I believe she
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: was either ten or twelve years old. So when I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: asked her and my friend, they both who's fourteen, they
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: both said that they actually prefer studying and learning Mandarin.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Now that's their own personal preference, and I think that happens.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That seems like that's going to be a natural thing
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that happens anywhere. It doesn't mean they can't speak weaker.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: They do.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're the ones who are doing all
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the translating for me, but they have a propensity towards Mandarin,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: they said, they said for them. Also, learning uh standard
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: simplified Chinese is actually even easier than learning Wiger script.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: So that's probably probably part of it. So there is
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: going to be a natural erosion, but they're going to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: when that happens, they're going to blame the you know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the Chinese government for that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: On the outside, I'll explain about the Oigur script, because
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: so there are two type of script to writing the Oigur.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: There's a Latin Latin based script which people use ually
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: for online communication, but there's a traditional script which is
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: written in Persian Arabic script. This is probably why because
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: traditionally the Oigur language is transcribed using the Persian Arabic script.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: So this is probably why he find it harder to
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: like learn the script Oigor script because it was written
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: in traditionally uh uh. The they have to kind of
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: learn the Arabic script that transcribes the sound of the
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Oigur language. You know that. That that's a that's that's
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: a difficult part.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the kids are going to naturally
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: levitate towards what's easier. I mean, so my kids their
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: reference point in their school is, you know, Chinese and English,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and they levitate towards English. They still have the opportunity
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and requirement even to learn Chinese, but their English has
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: become stronger because of that. So I would imagine that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it's the same for there, and so there is it's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: reasonable to expect that there will be some natural level
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: of erosion.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: But when you zoom out and you look.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: At how culture has been preserved in China, it has
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: been preserved in China way more than anywhere else. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that's especially apparent when you compare ethnic minority groups in
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: China that also have an ethnic homeland. So, for example,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Kazakh people in Shinjan. One of my Kazak friends from Hinjan,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: so when he goes to Kazakhstan. So many of them
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: can't speak Kazakh anymore. They can only speak Russian. We
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: had an international school teacher at our school who was
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: from Kyrgigstan, and she said when she saw the Kirgig's
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: people in Shinjan, she couldn't believe it. It was like
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: looking into the past. They were still using words in
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: terminology and practicing culture that they had long lost. In
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Inner Mongolia. They know how to write with the original
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Mongolian script. They can't even do that in Mongolia proper.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: There's a national revitalization project to try to bring it back,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and the ironic thing is they're probably going to have
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to use textbooks from China to bring it back, you know.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And then when I went to Kashgar two weeks ago,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I went to the techh Girk in the region near
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the Pakistan border, and I met some premier Pakistanis who
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: come over to mainland China. They don't require a visa,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: they just need a travel permit. And when I got
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to this is one guy from that region who opened
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: up a restaurant in that area Pakistani food, and a
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: lot of his customers were from Pakistan, and when I
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: got talking to them, they were telling me that the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: culture which is the equivalent to the Tajik people on
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: this side. There's different Tajik ethnic groups within the Tajik
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: category in China, but the one specific close to that region.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: They can communicate in their local language. And they said
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that the culture here on the China side has been
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: so well preserved, and you know, in comparing parison on
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the Pakistan side, they've lost so much of that. They've
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: become more westernized. And so there's no claim that Pakistan
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: is deliberately trying to do that, but this's just a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: natural thing that happens over time. I then went to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: another restaurant where it's also opened by a premiere Pakistani
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and amazing food. By the way, you have to go
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to this place if you're ever out there. I couldn't
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: believe it. I wasn't expecting like the pizzas. I was like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: how can they make a good pizza here? It was
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: literally one of the best pizzas we've ever had.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: But when I started talking to him, I started asking
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the same question. I said, oh, you know, I always
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: hear about this, you know, like, how is the culture
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: over here. He said, yeah, yeah, it's like really preserved well.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And then I wanted to provoke more of a response
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: from him, so I said, oh, you know, overseas they
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: say that in China they're erasing, you know, cultures, and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: he started laughing. He said, no, like he says, we've
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: become so westernized on the Pakistan side. On the China side,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: they still preserved the language exactly as it was. They
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: still wear the same clothes that they used to wear.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: They still play the same games like tajiek polo and
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. They said, so much of that has
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: been lost on the on the Pakistan side. So to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: get back to my main point, I think there is
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: going to be a continuous natural, natural erosure to some
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: of the traditional culture. But still it is preserved and
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: continues to be preserved way better than it has anywhere else.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean definitely compared to US and Canada, I
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: mean nine most of the people in China they still
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: fluent in their local language like that. That's my experience
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: traveling in Shinjiong and also traveling to yin Nan. You know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I went to the ethnic die area like it's it's
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: it's no question. And and all these areas the government
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: are promoting the local culture for tourism because because their
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: distinct local ethnic culture now is a drawing point for
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: domestic Chinese tourism, and so they actually amplify it and
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: promote it. And you know, that's what I saw as
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: a tourist and and to to to because you actually
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: do see the difference when you travel to these these
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: regions when they select you still see the local celebrate
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: their own local festivals and and and cultural traditions. Uh
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I was in I was in Monks which
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: is near the Memmr border where they celebrate the uh
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: you know in China like how post reach you at
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: the water festival, But it's basically the same holiday as
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Song Krawan in Thailand. It's kind of the new Year
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: according to the Thai and the Burmese calendar, and it's
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: completely different. And they really have preserved their culture very
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: well down there.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And if it gets to a point where a
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: culture becomes endangered, they also step in. So in southern Yuna,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and there's a group called the Wadsu people who are
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: very ethnically similar to the people from me Andmar and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: their language is considered endangered. I can't remember the exact term,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: but basically endangered. It doesn't necessarily make sense to introduce
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a massive portion of curriculum in their local language into
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the public schools at a childhood level, when when they
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: go out into public they're going to need to tap
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: into basically the Chinese economy and participate in the Chinese economy.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: What they have done is they've introduced specialty university programs
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and research centers to gather as much real as possible
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and allow people to study it in that environment for
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: anybody who wants to study specifically cultures or to preserve
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it or whatever it is. So they give you these
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: avenues to do that, even though it doesn't necessarily make
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: sense to create an entire curriculum for every single minority language.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I mean even within China itself. The Han people speak
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: their own dialects across the entire region. But they're not
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: going to teach, you know, in Chunching public schools, they're
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: not going to teach you in in Chunching dialect. That
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't make any sense. But all the kids still
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: know how to speak Tung Shinghua. They speak it with
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: their parents, even my my daughter who is four and
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a half years old. Her best friend in school is
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: from Chung Ching and she's coming back speaking some Chung
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Ching hua now and I can remember what she says.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: She's chuan Jing the I don't know how she says it,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: but and it's like really authentically. So you know, culturally,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff will survive, but it's a
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: very difficult thing to manage when you've got so many
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: different dialects and languages and you have to figure out
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: how to reconcile that. I think it's correct that predominantly
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the main curriculum needs to be in Mandarin Chinese. That's
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: also going to give people the most economic opportunities. But
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: there is no evidence of these cultures being eroded in
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the way that is being described by these foreign propaganda outlets.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Let's see here. Okay, So are you still connected or
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: are you frozen?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm here.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so we have where were we? So we
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: got to the alcohol one? Oh we got Yeah, this
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: is a fun one. You sent this to me from
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Eric posted this, and it was funny because when you
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: sent me that tweet, I had literally just met Eric
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: in Chong Chin. He's a really cool guy, so he
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: posted this story. American friend is visiting China and unknowingly
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: received fake, fake Chin Theese bills in the US. She
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: used them to buy some jewelry yesterday and today the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: police showed up at our hotel. We apologized pay the
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: bill and that was it. Shocked at how nice the police,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: uh and store owner are. I'm not sure if I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: have the follow up tweet? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: then news you sent the follow up tweet saying I'm
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: glad your friend was treated with presumption of innocence and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: respect by Chinese police. Meant to make a contrast with
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: my endodote of meeting an Irish tourist who got arrested
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: for also using fake bills in the US, but ended
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: up over sharing about my own false arrest and I'm embarrassed.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the same thing, like if anywhere else,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot more of a process if
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you were caught using fake bills and leaving.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: You want to add to.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: That, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I just thought it was
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: funny because the other guy shared that he is he
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: met this Irish guy who actually was got quent in
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: prison because because of that he was caught, was, you know,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: accidentally somehow carrying the fake, fake bill. You know, they
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: both were detained. We'reas in China, they just said, okay,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: don't don't do that anymore, like these those bills are fake.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Make sure you don't use them anymore. That's it. And
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: that that has been my experience with the Chinese police,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: you know, like because in the West they're Chinese portrays
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: some sort of police state, right, I mean, because I
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: was in China. So for people wh don't know if
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: China do require foreigners to register their their place of residence,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to do that within like twenty four hours
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: or forty eight hours within landing normally if your tourists,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: your your hotels take care of that. So you don't
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: you don't even know that that's the thing. But so
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I was staying with my auntie, so and I did
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: know that that requirement. And then my auntie got a
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: call from the local police department, so like, oh, we
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: heard you got Americans staying over. You know, you have
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: to register him. So we're like, okay, we're sorry, we
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: didn't know. So we just went to the local police
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: station and just fill out some PaperWorks. That's it. That's
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: there's no fine or no nothing. That just says, oh yeah,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: make sure you you know this rule. That's it. I mean,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's just like that. It's maybe a
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: little annoyance, but overall it's not a scary experience, you know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: which is which I couldn't say about my interaction with
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: a police in the United States. You know, like because
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: one time in La I just came home late at
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: the time with my Mexican ex. I was pulled over
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: by by a police because one of my tail light
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: was out, which I wasn't aware of, and so I
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: had to stop giving him my my my driver license,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: insurance and all that. So while I was waiting for
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: him to check all that, I was getting a little
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: bit impatient because it's like eleven o'clock and night. I
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: wanted to go home and sleep, so I was I
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: had my hands my window down, I had my hands out,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I was just tapping with my hands on the side
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: of the car. And because of that, this guy pulled
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: a gun on me. He not only he pulled a gum.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: He called back up. So like two or three police
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: car all came together and they all pulled gun. He
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: ordered me to step out the car. They had my
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: my hands pinned behind my back, and then then they
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: they they're trying to trying to find out if I
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: was high on drugs or on alcohol. They made me
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: do a like a like a like a breath analyzer
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: test and all that. I was like holy shit. Like
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: later he explained, he said, I you, I thought you
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: were acting acting radical, like like yeah, you radically tapping
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: your I was like, holy shit, just because I did that,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: you might I was sitting in my own car. I
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't going out of my car, was just sitting on
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: the own car, tap inside of my car, and you
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: freaking call like another two police car and to pull
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: gun on me. And I mean, I mean I understand.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: He was like, this was like a uh in Sampiago,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: always like a Latino neighborhood. And this is like a
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: young white police guy who was probably my first time
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: on his job. Were probably very nervous working in this
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: like that. The San Piacho wasn't you know, known for
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: like like being perfectly nice, safe neighborhood. But you know,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: he probably think I was some kind of gang banger.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Was on drugs or whatever.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, like that, like, were you wearing one of
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: these shirts?
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: I was with my Mexican ex so you know, I
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: don't know, maybe that that's somehow in his eyes and
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: like this drug kinked in this Asian gangster, you know.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, no, yeah, I mean I just like three
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, I was uh, I was making for lunch.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I was making sandwiches for the kids, and I realized
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't have cheese, and so I quickly jumped on
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: my motorbike.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I looked for my helmet.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find it, and everything else was prepared, so
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I thought, okay, whatever, I just rode down to the
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: local who I'm a supermarket And at the last intersection,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: it's not far.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: It's like two kilometers or something three maximum, and so
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I went without a helmet. And then I was waiting
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: at the traffic lights, and there was an officer standing
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: right in the middle of the intersection directing traffic, and
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: he kept looking at me. He looking at me, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: then they usually don't care. They don't always pay attention
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: if like somebody's riding an e bike without a helmet,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: but this time he was just looking at me. It
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: was a proper motorbike. And then across the intersection he
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: didn't say anything. Got the cheese. And then when I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: came back, then he walked over to me because I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: stopped at a red light. He's like, all right, let
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: me just check this out because it was convenient enough
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: for him. I think if it was green, he probably
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: wouldn't said anything. And then he checked. He asked me
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: why I'm not wearing a helmet. I said, I'm so sorry.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I just quickly came out to get this and he
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: checked to make sure I actually had a motorbike license.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: And after that he said, okay, next time, we're your helmet.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: You know, they don't like having to actually punish people. Yeah,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: let's see here, so we have oh yeah, oh you
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: know what before we move on? I asked Eric, because
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: he told me about that story while we were having lunch,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: like literally a couple hours before you sent me that post.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: So I asked him if it was okay that I
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: shared the rest of the story, and he said, sure,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: let me give you the full context.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I'll just read it directly.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: He said, full story is so this is regarding the
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: fake money that was spent in Cheung Ching, and the
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: police showed up at the door, so he said, full
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: story is that she dated a Chinese American guy for
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: a number of years who's a good friend of mine,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and his grandma, who's probably eighty five years old and
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: lives in Flushing, Queens, New York City, gave her some
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: R and B a couple of years ago. She's in
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: town because she works for a big tech company that
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: manufactures wearables in China. She bought around one hundred dollars
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: worth of jewelry from Blackhead, paid mostly in cash, partly
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: on weed Chat. She left town yesterday morning to go
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: to the go back to the factory, and police showed
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: up at the hotel about an hour later. I apologized,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: A lot cop called the store owner, got the we
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Chat QR code, I sent the money, and then he
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: allowed me to leave her a voice note on we
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: chat to apologize and haven't heard back from them since
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Like, that's it.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, just get your friend to send an apology
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: by we chat voice message so that he can hear
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: it and pay the pay the money, and then that's it.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's quite remarkable.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty common. That's pretty common experience interaction
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: with cops in China.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was Oh yeah, yay,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: this is your one. I like this one because you
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: made a really good point. If fifty thou English people
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: all moved to China, creating a ninety five percent ethnic
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: English town and set up their own Christian schools and
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: English only emergency services, I would not consider them to
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: be integrated into China these culture. Now, this is funny
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: because this is like a you know, a pro British account,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: and he probably didn't realize what kind of a self
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: own that he was putting together that this is kind
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: of exactly the.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Thing that happened.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: So your response I really liked, which was British Past
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Peak District Reservation Ordinance in nineteen oh four to ban
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Chinese from living on Victoria Peak in Hong Kong because
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Bruce Lee's grandpa, Hokamp Hong considered buying a home there
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: alongside his.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Elder brother Robert Ho Hong.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: British hk governor was in sensed that Ho Hong, a
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: half Chinese guy, lived with a large family above his
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: own residence in the Peak. So I mean that that's
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: kind of exactly what they try to do, and they
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: don't ever try to recognize that.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, and they did that for half century.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't repeal that until wall after World
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: War two. So so for for for half a century
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: that that was the law of the land. They forbid
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: any Chinese to live on Victoria Peak unless he is
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: explicit permission of the British colonial governor. And this is
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: all because Bruce Lee's granddad wanted to buy a house there, uh,
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: And how how he was triggered It was because at
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: that time, uh, Bruce Lee's granddad's older brother, Robert Holtom
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: first rented a house on the peak. And then when
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: when the first rented a house fund from and then
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: uh a British judge, and then when the a new
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: British colonial governor came into town, he realized, holy craps,
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: there's a Chinese family. There's a large Chinese family that
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: lives about his own house. And for him that was unacceptable,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: you know, like, how dare these Chinese now living above me,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: you know, like physically living about me? And and so
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: later like the so he ordered the British judge who
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: rented the house to hold Tone to cancel the cancel
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: the contract. The judge just wanted the money. So he's like,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: but but he's only half Chinese, you know. But like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: that the coln of governors like, I don't care, you know, look,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: that's that's too much Chinese for me. And then and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: then so so Robert Holle Tone. Then later he moved
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: out of that house and he bought it. He just
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: bought a new house on the on the previous He
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: was a multi millionaire at that time. And this was
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: also at the time when the Chinese merchant in Hong Kong,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: like the Whole Brothers, they were becoming wealthier than the British,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: which made the British authorready very uncomfortable because the whole
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: idea of the colony, the British were supposed to be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: at the top. You know. Then you have these like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Chinese who are wealthier than them, buying up property in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: what they consider should be European exclusive zone. So this
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: is what triggered that that law, uh and and the urgencies.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: After Robert Holtom bought his house, then Bruce Lee's grandpa
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Whole Kanto so oh Okay, my brother's house looks nice.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: I'm going to buy another house right next to you.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: And then that's when they got up in arms like,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: oh my god, it's a Chinese invasion of the neighborhood.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: So that's when they passed that Peaks Reservation Ordnance in
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: nineteen oh four. Yeah, yeah, to prevent home Kan Tong,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Bruce Lee's grandfather from buying a house there. Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in Hong Kong, a Chinese city.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: It's it's really remarkable, especially when you look at the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: kind of younger people who were co opted into the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: into the riots in twenty nineteen. When you hear the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: the talk about, oh, you know, Hong Kong was a democracy,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you know, they brought freedom and democracy to us.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, they didn't. You had an unelected governor.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: You you had all of these laws that disadvantaged the locals.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: The British were prioritized. You didn't have any voting except
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: for up until approaching handover. They introduced voting for your
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: local district councilors, which still exists today. That was something
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: that they're like, Okay, we're going to put voting now
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: in place, so it looks like we did something and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: we'll hand that problem to the Chinese. You know, they
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: did not have freedom and democracy. And as a matter
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: of fact, Hong Kong after handover, if you look at
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: how freedom is measured in the West, I'm not saying
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: it's a perfect measurement of freedom, at least the West's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: version of freedom. You know, taxation, size of government, freedom
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: of movement, freedom of religion, equal rights for women and men,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, freedom of media. Hong Kong
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: was ranking, according to Western standards on the Cato Institute's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: chart as the second freest place on Earth for a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: long time.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Obviously after the riots, the government realized, okay, we can't
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: have just a completely open society where Western NGOs can
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: come in and cooperate with our universities to brainwash you know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: our kids and things like that. But there was so
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: much more freedom after handover than there was before. There
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: was so much more equality.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. A lot of those kids they
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: never experienced British colonialism, you know, because if you look
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: at their age, most of them have grown up after
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven handover, so they experienced the one country
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: two system, but they didn't get to experience the real
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: raw British colonialism. And if you watch some older Hong
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Kong movies, even from like nineteen nineties, like Jet Least
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Once Upon a Time in China, a lot of these
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: older movies have a very strong anti colonial message. You know,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: if you look at you know, for example, Jackie Chance,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: like Drunken Master or Jet Least Once Upon a Time
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: in China series, those are very nationalistic movies, like they're
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: like very it has a very very undisguised, you know,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: anti colonial message in there. But because because the older
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: generation they actually lived through that, they actually lived through
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: the British colonialism, they knew what it was like to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: be under the boots of the British. But these younger ones,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: they they actually never experienced that. This is why there
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: they they thought there was some imaginary like utopia like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: golden paths they're trying to return to.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the ultimate irony. Also, you know, these
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: young h writers or supporters meeting with Chris Patten, holding
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: him up as an example of something great from Hong
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Kong's past, and having Chris Patten lecture Hong Kong about
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: freedom from the perspective of Hong Kong's last colonial unelected governor,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: like they have no sense of shame whatsoever. A couple
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: of quick shout outs to some friends I see in
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: here Reportify Media Alex.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, get to see you.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Also, Fernando, if you're still here, get to see you,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: and anybody else who I'm missing. I don't know if
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: this is this, this is Duran, Hello Duran? Is that from
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the Durand I don't think that's from Duran show?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: But hello?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Anyways, Oh this is I didn't know this. There's in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: North Vancouver. There's still some no sale to Chinese and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: some real estate contracts.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Is that a question? I don't know. I would be
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: it would be hard to imagine that that's possible.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: That's pretty outrageous if it is, but I don't know
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: how legally they would they would possibly be able to
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: accomplish that. I don't know if you know anything about this.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Another shout out here, Indonesia is allowed its airspace for
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: US military to use with unlimited access.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Indonesia no, no, no, that it was proposed. This was proposed
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: by the US, but at that time, when the Indonesian
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Defense Minister was meeting with Pete Headspt, the Secretary of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: War this was explicitly brought out by the US by
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: at that time, the Indonesian Foreign Minister actually send a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: message explicit message to the Indonesian for Defense minister, do
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: not sign that agreement. Do not sign that agreement. This
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: was this would be very bad. So yeah, this is
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: not this is this was reported that the US has
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: has proposed it, but Indonesia has not finally ratified, right
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: right right, And this is the people don't understand. Uh.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: People think like, oh, what's what side is Indonesia? Is
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: it pro US pro China? They're just pro Indonesia man
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: like like like most of the countries in this region,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: they are pro their own country. And what Indonesia has
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: always tried to do is try to strike a balance.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: So so even though traditionally Donesian Air Force have purchased
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: the US fighter jets, but they have in more recent
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: years they have been switching to purchasing Russian SU thirties
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: and now there was reported they're trying to purchase Chinese
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: j J ten C. So Indonesia they are they're not
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: trying to pick a side. It's a United States that's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: trying to force these countries to pick aside. You know,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: in Southeast Asia, the policy is we want to be
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: we want to be friends of all, an enemy to none.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: You know, Like the last thing the Southeast Asian country
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: want to do is to pick a side. But it's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: a United States as saying you are either with us
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: or against us.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We'll move on to another topic here. This is
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: another one I had sent to you.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Where it's a weird response to.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: This, but somebody was comparing the size of Columbus uh
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: ship to a zanghu And the response, which had a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: lot of likes, is when you missed the opportunity to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: colonize America and need some cope, but our ship was bigger.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Like what Like, that's what you're bragging about the fact
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: that China is exactly like it says it is not
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: a colonializing power like the West has been. Then it
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: acted exactly like it said, it acts according to its values.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: But I saw a very I saw a very similar tweet.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: You know, somebody posted a map of Australia. I say, oh,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: isn't it ironic? You know, when Australia is so much
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: closer to uh, China and India, these these large countries
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: with a lot of population yet it was the plucky
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Britain that sail all the way across the world to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: colonize Australia and Uh. And while the you know, China
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: and India didn't even know this place existed. Well, actually
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: they knew. You know, there's a lot of evidence that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: there were contact because you know, people from from the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Indonesian Archipelago they were trading with the northern territories of
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: Australia for for goods that was produced there and then
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: they resell it to the Chinese. So there are and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: we also have like shipwrecks off the northern coast of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Uh of Australia that was Chinese junks carrying in porcelain
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: and all the Chinese goods. So so China actually was
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: aware there was something there and they were trading with
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: those people there, except they're not colonizers. They didn't feel
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: the need to go out there and colonize Uh. You know,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: which is and I quote I quote tweeted that particular
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: tweet and I said, well, this is because for for
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: centuries from millennia, China and India were the world's largest economy.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: You know, people there they did not need to go
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: out of their country to seek prosperity in contrast to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Europe in the early modern period. It's precisely because Europeans
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: were comparabively definitely poor. That's why they seek to their
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: trade route to the fabulously wealthy East, you know, whether
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: through Columbus selling to west Or or Magellan, you know,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: selling around the Cape of Good Hope. You know, they
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: have a big incentive to go out and loud, more
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: resource rich areas, which the Chinese and Indians simply didn't
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: have because they already have a huge continental size, the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: economy they could trade with themselves with, they didn't have
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: that need to go out and to colonize and loot
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: and pillage. And a lot of people got triggered by that.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: But anyways, but that's just the fact.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, these are the same people
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: who will without any sense of irony. You know, a
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks later talk about the risk of China
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: taking over the world, while they're still celebrating that this
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: is in their blood, this is what they do. And
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I think there's a tweet that emphasizes the ridiculousness of
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: that point, and you know, perfectly from Gordon Chang, one
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: of our favorites anti China content creators one of his
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: tweets where he says, in a calm world, China appeared dominant,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: but in the current turbulent period, the Chinese state looks
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: far less powerful. Trump is driving events and Chijiping is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: merely an observer. China's fate is now in America's hands,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: not its own. Like like, this is the same guy,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: like I said to the point, he's the same guy
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: that said it is going to be China that creates
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: turbulence for the world, that is risky, that is, you know,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: disruptive and all this kind of stuff. And and and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: then when China fails to act in the way that
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: he says, they paint that as some sort of a weakness,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: even though their prediction about China was wrong. And then
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: when it turns out that their own country.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Gordon Chan has some issue. Man, you know interview, he
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: actually he actually admitted he thinks he thinks his Chinese
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: dad marry his Scottish American mom for greense car. He
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: actually said in the interview, when.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: You see that, when yeah, when you see that, but yeah,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: actually finished my last point that America is acting in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: the way that they said that we had to be
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: afraid that China would And now they're they're, they're, they're
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: celebrating that, saying that that's something to be proud of.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Gordon Chang half Chinese.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: When he was in that interview, I've shared it a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: few times on Twitter when he talks about uh, his
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: name his full name with including his middle name Gordon,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: and then he says, with enthusiasm, gut thrie Chang Chang
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: is the Chinese part of my name.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Suddenly he just goes, you know, he drops down and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: he said, you know, growing up in a place with
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: all white kids, I just wanted to be American. He
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: has a serious psychological scars that causes him to post
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: the most ridiculous stuff about China in order to gain
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: acceptance and prove that he is not part of his
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Chinese identity. I mean, there's something deeply psychological that's going on. Previously,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: he used to present stuff where you could almost somewhat
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: believe if you were unaware of, you know, China, you
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: could somewhat believe that he's a serious person. But now
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: when he's posting stuff like, oh, I have it on
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: good authority that China's you know, planning a nine to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: eleven like attack on America, you know, or that I
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: heard from a friend in the Middle East that China's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: happy that there's a blockade going on because if there
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: were peaceful talks between Iran and America, they would find
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: out how much how involved China is in their nuclear program,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: like a friend told him, like all this like wild
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff that is not founded in any evidence, where
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: he's just gone completely unhinged. And I think perhaps, you know,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: he's getting up to an age now where it must
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: be really frustrating, not only you know, trying to predict
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: the fall of China, but hoping for it. You can
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: tell that it's not just an academic prediction. Is is
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: a hope, It is a desire, and as he's coming
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: towards the late later stages of his life, realizing that
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: that's not happening must be so frustrating for him.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: The ironic part is the reason he gets to invite
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: it to all these mainstream channels like CN like Fact
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: News precisely is because he has a Chinese face. Now
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: he can present all these anti chin He kind of
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: lend credits to all these anti China, his anti China
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: views because look, he's Asian, you know, he's He's he's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: obviously Chinese. He's so he must know what he's talking about.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: And somehow he always he always also get passed around
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: as like a Korean expert, like he talk about Korean
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: politics a lot. I'm like, dude, he's not even Korean,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Like he has no cultural connection to Korea whatsoever. Just
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: because he has an Asian face, now he goes out
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: seeing it and talk about Korean, Like, what does he
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: know about Korea? He doesn't even speak the language. This
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's crazy.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: There's a clip that you sent me that really fits
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: him well with this topic too, in terms of actually
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: realizing that it is America causing all of the chaos
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: that that people predicted China would, and then those same
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: people now celebrating that it is America in control of
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: that chaos or in control maybe as a as a
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: loose term, but at least causing the chaos. And let's
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: let's play that video for everybody to see.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: You around.
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  Speaker 5: Evacuate your engine room immediately, and you see all these
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: guys running out of it. Now they're five miles away
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: and one shot into the engine room, blew up the
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: engine room. The ship stopped. They used tugboats, and then
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: we landed on top of it, on top of everything else.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: We then land on top of it, and we took
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: over the ship. We took over the cargo, took over
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: the oil.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: To very profitable business.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: Who would have thought we were doing that?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: Were like pirates, were sort of like pirates, but we're
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: not playing games because you know, for forty seven years,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: aaran who's been pushing everybody around.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: And people cheered and people checkings, like we're like pirates.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: We're like pirates. We grabbed, we went down, grabbed the oil,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: and people cheered and freaking you know, all these clupping
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: clapping seals on the on the in the audience, like
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, she just popped, admit it. The US Navy
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: is acting like pirates, and like, this is one thing
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: I appreciate about Trump is his honesty. You know, he's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: very honest about American imperialism. It's like, we want that oil,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: we will get that oil.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And all of those same people clapping are the same
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: people who wanted you to believe that it was China
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: who was going to unleash evil upon the world like
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: this now clapping for the fact that they are the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: pirates didn't turn out, China didn't has still hasn't done
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: the things that they say they will do. But they're
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: clapping that that they themselves are owning that domain. And
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: then in terms of the military also this ties into it,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: you know, they they were there was reports of how
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: bad the food was on the aircraft carriers that the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: US is sending overseas towards the Strait of hormones and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: uh like they barely have enough rations. And then they
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: posted these pictures to try to disprove it, and it
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: looked like AI pictures.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: You picked up on one here. I don't know how.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: I think chers, yeah, oh yeah, yeah there are I
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: think so obviously A I think cheers. I mean, like,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: what the heck is that guy's head doing. It's like
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: straight into the metal cabinet and that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Is yeah, maybe it's tasting the stainless steel. I don't know.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: And that is for the official US Navy a cow
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: to say, oh, we are serving plenty of food to
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: our sailors. Look at look at how much food that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: kiddy through our I generated slot.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, uh, it is something else cricetto
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: thank you for that super cheer. You didn't ask a question.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: You leave a question there if you have anything you
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: want to say. But thank you for that. Uh yeah, no,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: that is really uh that is really funny. And then
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: in terms of American imperialistic behavior, I want to add something. Now,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: this is going to be a three minute video, but
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: it's a really important story and it's from the Prime
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Minister of my country, Canada, talking about what happened when Bombardier,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: a Canadian company, was making waves in the aviation industry.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot to unpack with it afterwards. So
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: let's watch that first. It's three minutes and thirty seconds.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 7: China has never yet been able to get an internationally
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: certified significant commercial aircraft. They have some smaller ones that
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: they can use locally, but neither the Americans or the Europeans,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: which are the agencies that the rest.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Of the world looks to to see.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: Whether you can add a big passenger jet to your
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: fleet or anywhere near certifying anything built completely in China.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: So ten years ago, Bombardier, a Canadian aerospace company that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: you know for making Global Series and Challengers decided it
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: was going to get into the commercial aircraft building business,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: and it built something called the C Series, which was
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: the most modern single aisle, extremely fuel efficient, amazing plane,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: and we're in the process they got it certified. They
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: were the process of trying to sell it, and Airbus
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: and Boeing did everything they could do to prevent Bombardier
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 7: from being able to sell those aircraft.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: They were talking to all.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 7: Their customers, don't you dare put in an order for
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: the C Series, don't you dare, don't you dare? And
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: finally Bombardier started really struggling. They had this beautiful aircraft,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: but they just couldn't get any customers for it.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: So what happens.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: China comes knocking on Canada's door, on Bombardier's door, and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: pulls up a dump truck full of money and says,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: we'll keep all the jobs in Bombardier across the country.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 7: Canada won't be trouble in this, but we'll buy Bombardier
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 7: will be able to get ourselves a commercial jet. So
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 7: Boeing and Airbus that we're busy trying to put out
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: Bombardi out of businesses. They didn't want Bombardio to be
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: a contest almost drove us into China's arms, where China
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: would have been obviously a much more significant competitor to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: those two dominant players. But concretely, it took me around
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: the G seven table in Sicily, my second G seven
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: and twenty seventeen, saying to Macro and Merkel and Trump,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: you are driving us into Chinese pockets, Chinese hands to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: protect jobs. They're willing to pay anything to get this.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: You don't want, we don't want this to happen for
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: our prosperity as Western countries.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: What can we do about it?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: Because Boeing is busy trying to put Bombardi out of
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: business and air Busses crossed his arms and indifferent. Six
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: months later, because of those conversations, Airbus bought the C series,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: which now flies as the Airbus two twenty. They're made
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: in Canada and elsewhere, and we now you know, we're
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: now Canada is now the fifth Airbus country. So this
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: was an example of internal economic pressures and coercion that
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: where we're busy competing with ourselves as like minded nations,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: we almost ended up giving a significant competitor that doesn't
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: share the same approach and viewses US a significant let up,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: and that wouldn't have happened if if I and my
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: team hadn't said, hey, guys, this is the trend line,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: we need to make that happen. We're seeing a similar
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: thing happen right now with President Trump threatening the Canadian
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: auto industry, where we're now having to look at working
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: with China because you know, the American industry doesn't want
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: to work with us anymore.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: You know, it's really unbelievable. It's really remarkable that he
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: would tell that story and talk about to tout his
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: own successes in how he prevented cooperation with China when
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you are, especially now in an environment where America has
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: been threatening to take over Canada and Canada is realizing
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: that they need to diversify away from the US. That
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: that how could you not look at that as a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: missed opportunity to have a more diversified economy that doesn't
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: rely on such an erratic power. He's celebrating that that
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: didn't happen, and on what basis saying that, Oh, they
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: don't share the same views as us. Thank god for that.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Thank god they're not celebrating the attacks in Iran and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: what's happening to the people in Gaza. But that aside,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: that aside, that's all it takes. And that's why the
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: largely American funded propaganda is so important, because it gets
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: you saying nonsensical stuff like this, saying, wow, we could
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: diversify our economy. The Chinese could work with us on something,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: we would be you know, uh far less beholden to
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: one single power, basically the diversification that Canada is looking for.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: But no, we can't do that because they don't they
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: don't share our values. Like what what's going on?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: He said? He said, Chinese? The Chinese camp was armed
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: boat like with like tons of money, and somehow that's
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: a bad thing. Somehow that's a bad thing because we
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: don't share the same value. So we'd rather be bought out.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: And it was due to my own effort that I
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: got instick and it's got it Bombardi eate so to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: air busts instead. Now you know, now, now it's it's perfect,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, okay, Like he didn't really really clarify
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: why China coming in golfering all this money is a
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: bad thing, except like this hand waving. Oh no, same values. No, good.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I come up. I he's okay, I'm just
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: gonna come on say it. He's just saying, we white
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: people gotta gotta stick together. We white people Europeans, we
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: gotta stick together. You know, we can't. We can't let
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: the speaky Chinese gaining up on us.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: And when you look at even Carney's speech that was
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: celebrated excuse me at the World Economic Forum, even in
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: his language where he admits that, you know, the rest
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: of the world, especially kind of the global South, he
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: was hinting at the fact that they have been disadvantaged
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: by an unfair system. Yet within his speech he still
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: talks about like minded or second tier powers coming together.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: So he still has that language. Even though it seems
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: like he's way more you know, open to the fact
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: of diverse cooperation and all this kind of stuff. Still
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: hidden in his language was this idea that these other
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Western powers without the US, now that the US has
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: become erratic, still need to stick together. Uh, it's still
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: there in the language. So let's see here, So we
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: have to.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: And and what's the point what's the point of having
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, it all sounds great, this is like all
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: this EU propaganda say together, we're strong, and they post
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: a graph compared to individual U countries with China and
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: or United States, and they say, oh, but together we're
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: comfortable to US and China. What's the point or if
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: you don't actually act independently from the United States, you
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: you you have a you are together. Now you have
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: a institution of EU, and yet all you do is
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: just be theplying puppy doctor to the United States. So
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: what is the point? What is the point? And and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: you know the same same This is the only time
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: they showed disagreement was when United States, specifically when after Greenland.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: That's when mccrown wrote that message to UH to Trump,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: he said, oh, you know, we used to work beautifully together.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: We work beautifully together on Syria. We can do that
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: together again. On you wrong, I don't understand why you're
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: going coming after Greenland. You know, like they it's like,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: let's let's all gang up on the brown people together, right,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: and like like we we we white people got to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: stick together. I mean that's that's what they're really saying.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and still, like I said, still in the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: language also and and so that propaganda that leads to
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: UH this ridiculous narrative of oh, we can't, we can't
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: deal with China. It's almost like they have to say
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: that also because their public is primed to hear something
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: like that. Like it's almost like if he did say
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: we got to find a way to work more closely
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: with China, there'd be a huge portion of society, maybe
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: less than before it, but still a large portion of
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: society be like, no, we can't do that. They're evil
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: and that's why the propaganda is so important. So they're
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: trying to bring back the force labor stuff. Also, you
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: have this guy you know from Human Rights Watch, right,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Kenneth's Human Rights Watch. Uh, the Chinese government is that
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: is using wiger forced labor, yet blocks any independent investigation.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: That's not true every time, man.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the UN did some investigations and actually concluded
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: that these sanctions against uh, those companies were unfounded and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: even illegal. You had, you know, sketchers who did independent investigations,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: but they never refer to those because they need you
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: to believe that it's this this black hole that hasn't
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: been answered.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: That's part of the part of the propaganda. Uh, let's this.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: Is this is what they do they first come out
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: always outrageous claim and then uh, in a month, it
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: turns out the story is no longer is not true.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: But they already move on to the next, next, next
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: claim and the idea that China is that already got
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: embitted in the public consciousness. This is what they did.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: Was that ridiculous ship story. They say that China, because
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: of manufacturing the motherboard, they put on this malicious chip
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: that was embedded that will allow China to gather all
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: kinds of information. And it's that claim was debunked like
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: half a year later. But you know, the first claim
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: that the China did this that went viral. Everybody saw it,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: and the claim very few people read it, so like
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: people still have it in their head in their mind
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: that China is doing this like really sneaky spying stuff
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: by embedding a malicious red chip on your motherboard. I mean,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: like this is classic propaganda and it works every time.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: The whole thing about all these Canadians getting incense about
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: doing business with China when they say, oh, but why
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: why we shouldn't stick to our allies the United States,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: do they realize the US also do business with China.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, Trump is going to China. Why are you
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: so upset that your leader is going meeting with she
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: and Ping when chaump is gonna do exactly the same
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: thing next week. I mean like, but these people don't think.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: It was the same when when Huawei was on the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: up and up and their five G towers were outperforming
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Qualcom and all these different, you know, main mainstream companies
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: that have been around for a long time. The British
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: top spy agency did a deep analysis, deep dive, took
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: apart Huawei equipment and they couldn't find any back doors whatsoever.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Yet based on that back door narrative, they still were
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: pushed into banning it from their from their their country.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: I mean perhaps one of the reasons is because it
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't have back doors, because the existing infrastructure obviously does
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: have back doors for the US through their their they
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: have a company called Crypto ag which was at the
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: center of a scandal for being able to listen in
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: on Angela Merkel's calls and all this kind of stuff.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Like you know, that's that's part of the problem is
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: that they don't exist. But these kinds of narratives are responsible.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: They're required for that now You've got the most ridiculous
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: thing our No Batron pointed this out, where you have
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: energy prices in Europe going through the roof because you know,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Russian oil has been cut off, and now they're trying
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: to find a way to ban Chinese solar panels and
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you know evs and all this kind of stuff under
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: the guise of national security once again. So basically they're
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: getting screwed in every single way in you know, without
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: any escape route from these incredibly high energy prices, which
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: which you're gonna be, which is going to impact their
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: ability to manufacture competitively. Also, they're just destroying themselves over
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: these narratives. It's unbelievable.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're they're tying themselves ever more tightly to
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: the US boat. So now they have to depend on
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: the very expensive imported American alg which is what Washington wanted,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: you know, Like, but that's what these EU leaders are
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: there or there the whole purpose is to co opt
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: the whole EU for Washington's interest. Yet you see all
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: these you popaghanda saying together we're strong, we can be
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: as strong as the United States and China. Then what
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: do you do? Then you do nothing? Then you you
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: just you just be Washington's puppy dogs. And what's the point.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not exactly, so the forced labor and then this
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: is kind of fun and so getting a little bit
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: uh not totally off topic, but I found this tweet
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: really interesting a great contrast, which is the Victims of
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Communism Museum in Washington, d C. With an actual victim
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: of communism lying right right in or capitalism lying right
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: in front of it.
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  Speaker 2: And that that made me kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Think about how ridiculous it is because obviously the Victims
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  Speaker 1: of Communism is behind the Black Book of Communism that
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  Speaker 1: talks about how many millions of deaths are attributed to communism.
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  Speaker 1: But they they they include things like the Nazi soldiers
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  Speaker 1: who were killed, you know, at the hands of Soviet soldiers,
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  Speaker 1: Like those are those are victims of communism?
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  Speaker 3: Like okay, well they are victims of communism. They're legit
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  Speaker 3: victims of communism.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think they updated it recently to
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  Speaker 1: include COVID deaths, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like but if you were to create an equivalent, if
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  Speaker 1: you were to create an equivalent with the same level
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  Speaker 1: or lack of level of sensitivity, and so broad where
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  Speaker 1: you you talked about the victims of capitalism. So anybody
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  Speaker 1: that was you know, killed in a in a war
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  Speaker 1: that a capitalist power was involved in, anybody who had
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  Speaker 1: lack of access to to basic medicine or anything like that,
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  Speaker 1: or even there's a story of you know, like this,
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  Speaker 1: this is well there, I mean, there's so many outrageous
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  Speaker 1: stories of capitalism, but this is one that I came
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  Speaker 1: across recently where Nesslei did a program in Africa where
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: they introduced a baby formula to African mothers and they
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: gave it to them for free, but they only gave
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  Speaker 1: it to them for long enough so that their natural
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: breast milk production would stop. And then as soon as
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: it stopped, they said, okay, if you want to continue
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  Speaker 1: using it, you need to pay now.
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  Speaker 2: And they couldn't afford it.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: They couldn't afford it, so they had to they had
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  Speaker 1: they had to try to get as little, you know,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: whatever they could get, and they would dilute it down
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: to make it last as long as possible, and it
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  Speaker 1: and it resulted in malnutrition, stunted development. Those are those
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  Speaker 1: are victims very clearly, you know, victims of capitalism, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't even have to stretch the stretch the meaning
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  Speaker 1: of it to include people like that.
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  Speaker 3: And so you know, this is what like people pointed out,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, what about look at the success of
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  Speaker 3: modern China And then people will say no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: because that's not communism, that's capitalism. And then you say, well, okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's do capitalism the way China does. Then they will
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  Speaker 3: say no, no, no, that's communism.
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  Speaker 2: We can't have that.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a Shortinger's definition, like Shortingers China, Shortinger's
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  Speaker 3: got communism, you can't do whatever they wanted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know the other thing too is though
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name, I've got to look it up,
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  Speaker 1: but there was an Indian social scientist or I can't
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: remember exactly, but he came up with his comparison. He
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  Speaker 1: said that if you take the high end of the
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: reasonable numbers that people want to try to attribute towards
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Maltadon in terms of deaths, and you want to attribute
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  Speaker 1: you want to take away and any of the environmental
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: factors that that you know, led to famines during that
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: time and all this kind of stuff, and you took
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: one of the really high end numbers, like thirty million
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: people let's say he was responsible for the death thirty
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: million people. And you look at the policies that China
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: put in place, and some of them were very messy
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: when they implemented them. The land reforms, the cultural revolution,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: all of this kind of stuff. And you consider that
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: somewhere like India, where in the post colonial period, India
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: and China both had similar GDP, similar population, India took
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: a completely different route. They didn't have that hard reset
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: that China did, and as a result, there's a lot
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: of people who don't have a hometown like everybody in
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: China has, or they don't have access to basic services.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: And you consider how many premature deaths are attributed to that.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: In India, it has been seven million people every single year,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: and when you add that up, it has far exceeded
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: any of the estimates that people want to attribute towards
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: mounted On and the Chinese policies that created the hard
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: reset that was required to get China to where it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: is now. You know, I was looking at one of
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: my old videos just yesterday, actually, because every time when
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: I run into people in public who recognize me, they
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: always talk.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: About my my.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: My videos where I was in my car and Sheenjin
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: driving around just talking and I can't even remember what
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: I was saying during that time, and that's like twenty nineteen,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty something like that, And I was listening to
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: myself and I was talking about and I was kind
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: of agreeing with some of the Western narratives that Chinese
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: people suffered under the you know, Chinese Communist Party at
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: a certain period of time, and it was a really
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: tough period without any nuance in terms of how required
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: those hard resets were required for China to be where
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: it is today.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, earlier you show a graph of
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: the life expectancy in China that it just went parabolic.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: You so, like a lot of people were surprised it
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: was a sharp increase during Cultural Revolution, like in the
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixties. And this is actually because the way life
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: expectancy is calculated, because life is there's a lot of
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: infant mortality, you know, a lot of babies die. And
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: what happened in Cultural Revolution was the mouth send a
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: lot of the so called barefoot doctor to the countryside,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: provided medical service to the rural population that drastically reduce infanmortality,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: so babies stop dying and that's why you see this
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: this sharp, uh sharp rise of the life expectancy, because
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: because you know, like now now, babies are not dying
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: when they're like, you know, a few months old or
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: a year old for lack of medical service.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would definitely bring the average down. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: for sure, I have We're getting towards our last few
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: images here. You've got one that you sent to me
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: that is not really necessarily China related, but I'm sure
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: you have something to say about it.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean com on, like like this, I
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: was so glad I already had my passport. We knew
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: like we are in like United States now is like
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: a Banana Republic, you know, I mean, like this is
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: this is ridiculous, man, What is this?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: I saw I saw a news report where they were
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: they were showing all of the government agencies that have
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: huge banners and pictures of Trump's face on the side
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: of them now and they were comparing it to North Korea.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's always the thing they do, like you
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: do the most American thing possible. And then you say,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: are we like you know, what's the meme? It's like,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: are we like Asians?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: It's like no, no, like.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: Just an Asians that's the meme.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, just own it. This is you guys.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: You know, uh, this is who you elected.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: I mean it's even more so you guys than there
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: is anyone else because this is who you.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: Show it is.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Also, it's pretty unbelievable. And then the last one is
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: totally unrelated. But it's just the state of how they're
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: still desperately hanging onto this narrative. Also, it's completely unrelated
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: to everything else we've done so far, though, But this
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: guy is trying to say I've been researching and writing
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: about hate movements for forty years. Anti Zionism is a
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: classic hate movement, like this is you know, this is
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: how they're trying to shut down speech in America.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: Also, I mean, you know there's antisionism right now.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: It's one of the most ridiculous things that we've seen
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: unfold in America over the past few years, is how
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: they've tried so hard to conflate that and I mean,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: ultimately the end of the day that this is this
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: is largely responsible for a rise in legitimate anti Semitism. Also,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: you know that that is yeah, go ahead.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Israeli government is the largest source of anti Zionism on
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: this planet right now. I mean, like by their own their.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Action and full on anti semitism also yep, yep, yeah,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: because they are trying to say that they are a
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: representation of Jewish people and you can't separate Jewish people
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: from Zionism. Even the Jews in America who want to
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: separate themselves from Zionism, they're saying, no, no, no, no,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: we speak for all Jews. And if somebody had to
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: believe that, what's the natural result in the natural rule
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: is okay, well, you become anti Semitic. And there are
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: some people who are and who are going mainstream also
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: who when you listen to them, you're like, holy shit,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: these people are actually anti Semitic and that is a
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: result of this attempt to conflate the two. So seriously,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: but that is everything I have loaded up. If you
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: have anything else to say, I'm going to look through
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: the comments here if there's anything you want to wrap up,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: anything you want to say to the audience. While I'm
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: looking through the comments.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm all good, because right now there is a
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: big glare. There's a lot of natural song like filtering
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: in so I can't really see the screen really well.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: So you know, I think I'm good.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks like we had we
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: had a lot of interesting comments. We got to a
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: few of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: This is a I don't see anything that we can
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: really bring up. Some of them just kind of chiming
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: in and things like that. But and there's a lot
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: of discussion going on amongst amongst the people in the
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: comments also. But that's good, no, good to see. It's
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: very interactive there in the early stage. It looks like
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: they dropped off. We had some people having a meltdown saying, oh.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Carl, he's the worst. He's the worst. It's just one guy.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: You know, I love people. I love people hate watching me.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: You know, help with my numbers, man, I mean like,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: I love I love people hate watching me. Because thank
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: you for helping my YouTube analytics.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: I feel bad I should have interacted with him or
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: brought some of his comments up, because he kind of
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: gave up and left. It would have been it would
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: have been nice for him to stay around. And uh yeah,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: we'll try to do that next time. But this is
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: something we're we're talking about potentially doing. It might be
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: hard to do it every week, but maybe every couple
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: weeks or something like that, so if you if you're
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: down for it too, we can uh because it's fun too.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: We get to recap everything that happened over the last
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, thank you ridiculousness.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, thanks Kevin for joining, Thanks everybody else for joining.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: H We will wrap it up here and uh hopefully
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: in another couple weeks we'll have another one for you.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: It was fun. Take care everyone and see you next time.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks Carl, Thanks Daniel, Bye bye