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I want to love Jesus more offline than I do online _ Bryce Crawford _ The Jesus People Podcast · truthunedited

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Speaker 1: You are one of the most famous Christian people on
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Speaker 1: the planet. There have been countless times I want to
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Speaker 1: give up. I want to move to, you know, middle
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Speaker 1: of nowhere and have a flip phone and disappear. I've
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Speaker 1: had so many friends fall away since I was 17.
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Speaker 1: I at least recognize that in my own life where
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do the same. And I finally
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Speaker 1: got so tired and I am like, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get swallowed by the ministry monster. Christianity can become like
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Speaker 1: an industry. There's a group chat of witches sending like,
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Speaker 1: voice memo, curses. Satan might actually give you the platform
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Speaker 1: that you want because he's the devil. That's what he wants.
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Speaker 1: He's come to steal, kill, and destroy your intimacy with
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Speaker 1: Jesus so much so that he's willing to blind you
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Speaker 1: with things that you think you want. Christianity has been
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Speaker 1: a trend. It's been popular. It's been fun. It's been
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Speaker 1: an emotional high. Everyone's curious. Everyone's excited. And I feel
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Speaker 1: like there's this tension right now where people are trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out if they're going to stick around or not.
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Speaker 1: They're being a mass falling away. Good stuff puffs you
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Speaker 1: up with pride. Bad stuff shatters your heart like a
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Speaker 1: glass house in a hailstorm. The one the one negative
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Speaker 1: comment is louder than a thousand good pray for thick
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Speaker 1: skin but a soft heart.
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Speaker 2: Guys welcome to the jesus people podcast today we've got
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Speaker 2: the honor of having one of my buddies the homie
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Speaker 2: bryce crawford on the pod thanks for being with.
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Speaker 1: Us man thanks for having me i'm excited yeah thanks
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Speaker 1: for coming out to dallas dude hot dallas i used
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Speaker 1: to come here a lot and then i haven't been
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Speaker 1: here in forever but at least before the tour had
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Speaker 1: been a couple years but i was here all the
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Speaker 1: time what were you doing Doing ministry stuff, you know,
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of churches here, a lot of
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Speaker 1: phenomenal church leaders, Christian leaders and stuff here. And so
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Speaker 1: when I was like 17, 18, 19, I was always
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Speaker 1: traveling here. There was always conferences I was serving at
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Speaker 1: or churches and friends that were moving here because God
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Speaker 1: was doing ministry. incredible stuff, still is doing incredible stuff
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Speaker 1: in Dallas, but God was booming in Dallas. And so
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Speaker 1: all my Christian friends were like, I'm going where God is.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to Dallas. And then I wanted to move
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Speaker 1: to Dallas, but then that's when God called me to LA.
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Speaker 1: So I was so confused. I was like, oh, my
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Speaker 1: friends are in Dallas and no one's in LA. I
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Speaker 1: don't know anyone, but we went to LA and That
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Speaker 1: was a better decision. You got David Ladding out there.
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Speaker 1: We got David Ladding. Yeah, we robbed him. Shout out
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Speaker 1: to David Ladding. Love you, brother. Incredible.
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Speaker 2: That's what I want to get into, dude, is a
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Speaker 2: lot of, you know, I've gotten the chance to know
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Speaker 2: you and to know your heart and to see just
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Speaker 2: the authentic place that a lot of this stuff is
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Speaker 2: coming from. I think that's what people are so drawn
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Speaker 2: to with you is you're so authentic. There's just this
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Speaker 2: deep faith and this richness and this empathy for people.
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Speaker 2: But that comes at a cost too. Like the struggle
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Speaker 2: of fame.
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Speaker 1: At 22 bro.
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Speaker 2: You're 22 yeah 22 that's insane you know i haven't
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Speaker 2: seen anyone blow up on social media quite like you
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Speaker 2: and that's a heavy mantle it's cool it's really great
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Speaker 2: that the lord's doing a lot but how have you
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Speaker 2: managed that you were just telling me that you don't
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Speaker 2: you're not really doing too many podcasts right now which
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Speaker 2: i'm honored you're on the jesus people but like how
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Speaker 2: are you holding up man.
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Speaker 1: I'm actually doing really well you know i know we
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Speaker 1: talked on the phone um a while ago about how
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Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out and navigate some stuff.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like I have some language to a
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff and thoughts and feelings that I have.
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Speaker 1: But I just made the conscious decision to, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I think doing Christian social media, if you want to
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Speaker 1: call it that, is so difficult because now, unintentionally, Christianity
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Speaker 1: can become, I don't know, like an industry, if that
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Speaker 1: makes sense. So if I'm traveling out of town or something,
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Speaker 1: we would go visit churches. If I'm traveling out of town,
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Speaker 1: I'll go visit a church. I have a home church
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Speaker 1: in LA, but if we're going somewhere, I'll try to
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Speaker 1: go visit a church. And let's say we go visit
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Speaker 1: a church, me and my wife or just me, or
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Speaker 1: even if I'm back in Georgia, where I'm from, there's
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Speaker 1: a ton of people, which I'm grateful. The whole point
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Speaker 1: we make the videos is to encourage people. But then
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Speaker 1: the aspect of it being... like Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, they're
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Speaker 1: not Christian platforms. They're secular. They're neutral, right? So they
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Speaker 1: don't just promote Christianity. So because of that, we can
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Speaker 1: go to church and I want to encourage people. But
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Speaker 1: then if I'm visiting a church and people are like, hey,
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Speaker 1: can I take a picture with you? I don't want
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Speaker 1: that pastor to think that I'm trying to interrupt people.
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Speaker 1: what God's doing on a Sunday in there. Does that
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Speaker 1: make sense? And I don't know, like I'm not the
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Speaker 1: only person that feels that way. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: be a disturbance. I think as a language, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to be a disturbance to people that are trying
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Speaker 1: to seek the Lord, including myself. And so I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, managing it has been hard because it's made
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Speaker 1: me have trust issues and it's made me avoid, just
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Speaker 1: like avoidant of interactions and people. Cause I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know what you want from me. Like me and
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Speaker 1: my wife, we'll talk to people and we love meeting
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Speaker 1: people that have been encouraged by the videos, but we
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Speaker 1: will like attempt to ask them questions about themselves. You know,
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Speaker 1: what's their name? Where are they from? Do they go
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Speaker 1: to church? And, but they, they're not doing that with us.
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Speaker 1: They just like, it's like they want a picture and
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Speaker 1: run away. Right. And we're kind of like, Oh, well
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Speaker 1: we don't feel that way about you. Like we want to,
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Speaker 1: we want to get to know you. Like we want
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Speaker 1: to know a little bit about you. And so, so
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Speaker 1: then we're, I don't know. I don't know. I guess
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Speaker 1: it's just kind of hard. I don't know if all
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Speaker 1: of this is making sense. It makes sense.
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Speaker 2: And I saw you get a little emotional earlier when
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Speaker 2: I asked the question.
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Speaker 1: Well, because I just don't want people to think, I
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Speaker 1: think talking about this is so hard because again, I
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Speaker 1: want people to hear, I am so grateful that the
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Speaker 1: Lord has trusted us with what he has trusted us with.
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Speaker 1: Like by no means anything that our ministry has done
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Speaker 1: by man. like no coincidence. I believe it's Ezra seven,
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Speaker 1: like God puts his hand on something. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know why he chose it. But like when you when
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Speaker 1: you talk about the reality and the practical side of
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Speaker 1: things where, oh, it can be hard to go to
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Speaker 1: church or it, you know, I have a hard time
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Speaker 1: trusting people because before I was a believer, I would
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Speaker 1: be serving at Christian conferences and going to a bunch
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Speaker 1: of churches and connecting with Christian leaders because I wanted
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Speaker 1: to find godly mentors to speak into my life. And
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Speaker 1: I had friends that were being mentored by people. And
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Speaker 1: they're like, this guy's trustworthy. And this guy And they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't give me the time of day. They would only
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Speaker 1: give people the time of day that benefited them. And
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Speaker 1: now those same people will hit me up and act
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Speaker 1: like we're friends and act like we have history. And
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Speaker 1: it hurts me because I'm like, well, you didn't want
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Speaker 1: to talk to me before we had the ministry. It's
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Speaker 1: actually when I was serving your ministry, you didn't want
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Speaker 1: to talk to me. And then now we're acting like
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Speaker 1: we're friends. And that's hard for me because I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm still young. I'm 22 and I want to be
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Speaker 1: encouraged and filled and loved and shepherded by older people.
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Speaker 1: The Bible says the hearts of fathers turn back to
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Speaker 1: sons and the hearts of sons turn back to fathers.
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Speaker 1: I care about that. Or avoiding people because I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can trust you or what
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Speaker 1: to do because I've been hurt and burned. And even now,
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Speaker 1: like being in this space, being burned and having a
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Speaker 1: hard time trusting ministry leaders from all across the spectrum,
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Speaker 1: because then on the contrary, it's, oh, well, I can use,
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Speaker 1: I can use you to gain something for our ministry.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't, I don't think, I guess
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Speaker 1: it's just hard. Cause I think sometimes people don't understand
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Speaker 1: that like our whole goal, primary goal is to reach
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Speaker 1: people for Jesus point blank period. Like that is, that
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Speaker 1: is a goal. There is no gain that it's done.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm like, you know, maybe was it partially
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Speaker 1: a response out of fear? Maybe was it also, you know,
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Speaker 1: because I'm trying to, be able to help other people. Sure.
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Speaker 1: But like I told you, I haven't been saying yes
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Speaker 1: to any speaking engagements since January 1st of 2026 and been,
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Speaker 1: you know, been just cautious about where I, you know,
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Speaker 1: if I go on a podcast or if I go
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Speaker 1: do this thing and saying no a lot. And I
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Speaker 1: think there's, yeah, there's definitely part of me that like
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Speaker 1: has a hard time discerning, you know, who's for me
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Speaker 1: versus like who wants something from me. And then there's
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Speaker 1: also the other part where it's, well, I actually want
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Speaker 1: to protect my friends, protect my family, protect my heart.
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Speaker 1: Because it could make you grow cold sometimes. Especially at 22. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to grow bitter. I've had so many
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Speaker 1: friends fall away since I was 17. I've only been
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Speaker 1: a Christian for five years. I think you're like 17
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Speaker 1: to 22. And you can be like, yeah, I've had
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Speaker 1: a lot of Christians fall away in my life. that's
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Speaker 1: crazy to think about. The only falling away you hear
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Speaker 1: is like, oh, a pastor falls from grace and has
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Speaker 1: an affair or, oh, this pastor had a money problem
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Speaker 1: or a secret drug addiction or whatever it may be.
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Speaker 1: And it's like 40 or 50 year olds, people that
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Speaker 1: quote unquote have established lives, have established reputations and things
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Speaker 1: like that. But I can confidently say from 17 to 22,
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Speaker 1: within five years, we're just still young. I've had friends
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Speaker 1: fall away. And I at least recognize that in my
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Speaker 1: own life where I don't want to do the same.
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Speaker 1: Like I want to last. And so I think that's
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Speaker 1: why I'm like, I want to surround myself with people
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Speaker 1: that want me to last as well. And I want
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Speaker 1: them to last. I want, I want to surround myself
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Speaker 1: with people that aren't impressed by me that can wound
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Speaker 1: me with their words for the sake of my soul
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Speaker 1: that care about just me as a human being. My
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Speaker 1: wife is a human being that want to see us
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Speaker 1: thrive spiritually and all of the above. And so I
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Speaker 1: think that's been interesting to navigate and hard to put
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Speaker 1: language to and Hard to talk about because I don't
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Speaker 1: want to come across like ungrateful or stuck up. 100%, dude.
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Speaker 2: But what you're saying is that you want people to
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Speaker 2: know the real you and want you for what you
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Speaker 2: have to offer outside of what they can gain from you.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's just human nature. I think it's
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Speaker 2: a really weird thing, Christian fame. And I think a
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Speaker 2: lot of people don't recognize that there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: weirdness that comes with it, even spiritually. How have you
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Speaker 2: wrestled with that internally? Because there is a dopamine rush
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Speaker 2: with the virality. There is a dopamine rush with people
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Speaker 2: coming up to a certain extent and saying, you're the man.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for what you do. And, and
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Speaker 2: this validation you're constantly getting hit with validation and you're
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Speaker 2: having to deal with two tests, the praise test and
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Speaker 2: the criticism test. And you're getting both in spades right now.
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Speaker 2: So internally, how have you, how's your, your faith with
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Speaker 2: Jesus been through this rise to fame really the last
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Speaker 2: two years?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I, I, I, I think I heard Francis
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Speaker 1: Chan once say, don't get beat by the ministry monster.
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Speaker 1: Years ago, he called it the ministry monster. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what the heck does that even mean? It's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I guess that only happens to people that have a
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Speaker 1: big church. But that's not the case. The ministry monster is.
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Speaker 1: Creating your faith walk as an industry and industrializing everything
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Speaker 1: systems aren't always bad but systems can create maybe confusion
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Speaker 1: and create godly ambition to what appears to be godly
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Speaker 1: ambition to not godly ambition and so there was like
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Speaker 1: a part of me that was like just i got
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Speaker 1: i got tired i was getting tired i was saying
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Speaker 1: yes to everything we were you know filming everything that
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Speaker 1: we could podcast in the street whatever it may be
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Speaker 1: and it was like 24 7 The light bulb is
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Speaker 1: always on. The light switch is always on for ministry, ministry, ministry.
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Speaker 1: And I finally got so tired and I'm like, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to get swallowed by the ministry monster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: If I don't slow down, say no, protect my heart,
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Speaker 1: create spiritual systems, not like practical systems that are going
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Speaker 1: to like grow it. And man, I heard someone say
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Speaker 1: this one thing and it honestly changed the trajectory of
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Speaker 1: my faith journey, ministry and everything else. And it revealed
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Speaker 1: that I had a hidden, had like hidden struggles with
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Speaker 1: stuff that I did. I didn't realize I heard a
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Speaker 1: preacher say, you don't do God a favor for preaching
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Speaker 1: the gospel. He was saying that to a church, but
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Speaker 1: I felt like God was speaking directly to me. And
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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I'm not doing God a favor
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Speaker 1: for preaching the gospel. And that's when I I'm like, man,
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Speaker 1: I just want to be his and everything to be
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Speaker 1: an overflow. So I think, It was about halfway through
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Speaker 1: 2025 that I was like, wow, I need to rechange, reconfigure,
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Speaker 1: end of Q1, Q2. I'm going, wow, I need to
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Speaker 1: make sure that I'm just His. No one is doing
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Speaker 1: God a favor for using your gifts for the glory
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Speaker 1: of God. God gives us gifts for His glory, and
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Speaker 1: we should use them for His glory, but we don't
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Speaker 1: do God a favor. We're like, oh, God, you're lucky
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Speaker 1: I'm out here preaching the gospel. It's like, no, you
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Speaker 1: don't need me. And, uh, that, that changed a lot
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Speaker 1: about how I viewed ministry opportunities, marriage, friendships, and stuff
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Speaker 1: like that. But, you know, praise can be interesting. I,
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Speaker 1: it was such an interesting dynamic because I, I was
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Speaker 1: literally just thinking about this other day. Sorry, I'm going
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Speaker 1: like all over the place, but, um, we, we went
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Speaker 1: to Oblock in Chicago government housing, you know, a lot
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Speaker 1: of crime happens in Oblock and, went there, loved on
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Speaker 1: the community, posted the video. And I remember seeing all
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Speaker 1: of these videos online of people going, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: like if Bryce preached to Oblock, you have no excuse
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Speaker 1: to preach over here. And we're like being like, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, the praise. And I deleted Instagram and stuff
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Speaker 1: off my phone because I knew people would switch because
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Speaker 1: opinions of men changed like a read in the wind.
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Speaker 1: We post on Thursdays. So it was Thursday and Friday,
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing all these videos and I deleted my social
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Speaker 1: media because I knew people would change their opinion. And
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Speaker 1: when it happened, I wasn't hurt. I just laughed out loud.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, that is the duality of man.
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Speaker 1: And that's why Jesus is not impressed riding on a donkey,
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Speaker 1: people laying palm leaves out because he's like, if you
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Speaker 1: do this or not, the rocks are going to worship me.
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Speaker 1: So creation cries out to me. And then the same
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Speaker 1: people are like, yeah, kill Jesus and release. the murderer
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Speaker 1: and the rebel. And so, you know, just trying to navigate, okay,
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Speaker 1: what things do I need to cut out? How do
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Speaker 1: I need to protect my heart? Sometimes I delete social
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Speaker 1: media for a while. Sometimes I, you know, am able
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Speaker 1: to withstand that I get back on, or if I
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Speaker 1: think I can withstand, I'm like, I can't withstand it.
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Speaker 1: I've just realized good stuff puffs you up with pride.
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Speaker 1: Bad stuff shatters your heart like a glass house in
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Speaker 1: a hailstorm. The one negative comment is louder than a
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Speaker 1: thousand good. Yeah. I think this is the one time
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Speaker 1: it's okay to be like, ignorance is bliss.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes my wife who she's sitting over there, she'll, she'll
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Speaker 2: find a comment and she'll just be like.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe they said that. That's so not true.
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Speaker 2: And like, get off the comments. You cannot be on
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Speaker 2: the comments. It will wreck you. And I think that's like,
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Speaker 2: I'm in awe of what you've done because at 22,
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Speaker 2: there's no way I could have handled that.
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Speaker 1: The fame, the praise and the criticism.
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Speaker 2: Has there been a time where the fame, the criticism
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Speaker 2: or the praise has just taken you out where you've
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Speaker 2: gone to Maddie and been like, I don't know that
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Speaker 2: I can do this anymore.
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Speaker 1: Um, there've been countless times, even it was, we had
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Speaker 1: just started the ministry. I was like a month into
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Speaker 1: starting the ministry and we, you know, boots on the ground,
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Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. Me and my buddy, Josh,
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Speaker 1: what does this look like? And I remember sitting with
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Speaker 1: Maddie in the car, first two months of dating her going,
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Speaker 1: I want to give up. I want to move to,
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Speaker 1: you know, middle of nowhere and have a flip phone
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Speaker 1: and disappear. And we weren't, the ministry outwardly and impact
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Speaker 1: was nothing. Right. Then like the impact it's having now.
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Speaker 1: And I always have those thoughts occasionally. But it all
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Speaker 1: has come down to God, not wanting us to stop.
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Speaker 1: The moment God says stop, I will stop. I'll do it.
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Speaker 1: I do not. I've come to terms like I don't
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Speaker 1: care because again, I'm not doing him a favor. Like,
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Speaker 1: It's not, I'm not building a kingdom for myself. And
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Speaker 1: I've just noticed like, what really I've done nothing for
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Speaker 1: the Lord. I've done nothing. There are people that die
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Speaker 1: around the globe for their faith that no one knows
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Speaker 1: their name. I've done nothing just because I make a
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Speaker 1: podcast or a YouTube video. Um, I've found myself asking
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Speaker 1: that question lately, as in encouraging me into obedience to
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Speaker 1: the Lord. Like, what have I done for you? What
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Speaker 1: do I do for you? So that's been kind of
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Speaker 1: where I've been sitting with that. We're like, yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: moments that I've wanted to disappear and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: But that question has encouraged me into more faithfulness. Not
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Speaker 1: that I'm chasing heaven or chasing God's approval, but it's
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Speaker 1: just like, what have I done? There's so many more
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Speaker 1: faithful people that encourage me around the globe. Like, who
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Speaker 1: am I to think that I've done good work for you?
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Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I have moments of wanting to disappear
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But seeing the faith of other people,
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Speaker 1: especially around the globe, is kind of what fuels me. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: who cares that? User 752 said that I've got a
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Speaker 1: bowl cut. It's like, all right, whatever. These guys, their
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Speaker 1: enemy is right in front of them. I can't. What
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Speaker 1: am I doing? Our enemies are in our head and
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Speaker 1: hiding behind a keyboard. And your enemy is threatening your
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Speaker 1: life and in front of you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really humbling to have a ministry behind
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Speaker 2: a camera in a safe room. And then at the
17:48
Speaker 2: same time, recognizing, wow, that, that video just reached millions
17:52
Speaker 2: of people. Like what Lord to have people come up
17:54
Speaker 2: to you and say, man, you changed my life.
17:58
Speaker 1: And for you to be like, what did that cost me?
18:00
Speaker 1: You know? And I think what I've come to terms with,
18:04
Speaker 1: cause you know, I've been.
18:06
Speaker 2: Doing a lot in Nigeria and these heroes of the
18:08
Speaker 2: faith that will never be known. Right. Like seven beheaded yesterday,
18:13
Speaker 2: you know, like they'll, you don't know their names. I
18:16
Speaker 2: don't even know their names. Yeah. And they're not famous,
18:20
Speaker 2: but they were obedient. And I shared this in the
18:25
Speaker 2: documentary I did in Nigeria. There was this moment where
18:29
Speaker 2: I was sitting on the bed in this Nigerian hotel,
18:33
Speaker 2: and I had just met Susan, this woman who was
18:37
Speaker 2: shot in the face for her faith.
18:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, yeah.
18:41
Speaker 2: And the Holy Spirit says to me, he goes, you're
18:44
Speaker 2: going to have that dance with her in heaven. Because
18:46
Speaker 2: she says, we're going to dance one day in heaven.
18:48
Speaker 2: You know, she grabs my hand. She starts dancing. And
18:51
Speaker 2: I remember it was like the Holy Spirit whispered to me,
18:54
Speaker 2: that's going to be a greater honor than you being
18:56
Speaker 2: invited to the White House.
18:58
Speaker 1: Because Susan in the kingdom is the peak.
19:01
Speaker 2: And it was this really weird thing that happened in
19:03
Speaker 2: me where it was like, it was like the kingdom
19:06
Speaker 2: of God was shown to me for like a brief
19:10
Speaker 2: moment that like, you're right. The Lord doesn't need us.
19:13
Speaker 2: In one sense, what have we done? You know, have
19:16
Speaker 2: we really stood in the face of an armed gunman
19:20
Speaker 2: and said, I'll never deny Jesus. You and me make
19:22
Speaker 2: videos in our cars, you.
19:25
Speaker 1: Know, with lights on.
19:27
Speaker 2: And then at the same time, coming back to like, well,
19:31
Speaker 2: obedience is the Lord's love language. And he's called you
19:34
Speaker 2: at a young age and he's trusted you at a
19:36
Speaker 2: young age and you've been faithful. I've had conversations with
19:38
Speaker 2: you where it's very clear your motives are not money
19:41
Speaker 2: or else you would have made very different decisions. In,
19:44
Speaker 2: you know, even our working relationship as we're working on
19:46
Speaker 2: this documentary, there would have been very different decisions.
19:48
Speaker 1: Made if you cared.
19:50
Speaker 2: About money. And I think to then recognize that, man,
19:54
Speaker 2: the Lord has called me to a thing that is
19:56
Speaker 2: weird where we do get hate online. There is praise
20:00
Speaker 2: that comes when you walk through the grocery store and
20:01
Speaker 2: people want to take a picture. And there's this thing
20:03
Speaker 2: that can flare in you. That's this pride. Um, and
20:06
Speaker 2: then there's also this, thing that wants to die when
20:09
Speaker 2: you receive that criticism and just to continue stepping it
20:12
Speaker 2: out and walking faithfully. Has Maddie grounded you in that
20:16
Speaker 2: in any ways?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think, you know, having, having a wife and
20:22
Speaker 1: being close to someone is encouraging because it's like, you know,
20:26
Speaker 1: you could be as real as like, she can really
20:30
Speaker 1: keep it real. And it's very helpful. And sometimes it burns,
20:35
Speaker 1: you know, hurts. It's like, ouch, but it's good. You know,
20:38
Speaker 1: men handle criticism differently and that's a good thing. But yeah,
20:43
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a blessing to have a wife
20:45
Speaker 1: that actually cares about my heart and that cares about
20:49
Speaker 1: me as a human being and not about what other
20:50
Speaker 1: people say. You know, so she can recognize if someone's
20:53
Speaker 1: wrong in an area, but she can also recognize that
20:55
Speaker 1: there's some truth to something. Be like, hey, you should
20:57
Speaker 1: check that out. And I think that's a good discerning
20:59
Speaker 1: factor because she doesn't really get bothered by hate because
21:05
Speaker 1: she kind of understands it's inevitable and it, you know,
21:10
Speaker 1: she gets hate, I get hate. But if she sees
21:12
Speaker 1: something online and she's like, this is kind of somewhat true,
21:15
Speaker 1: she might be like, hey, you know, you might want
21:17
Speaker 1: to look into this a little bit or pray about
21:20
Speaker 1: this or, you know, ask some mentors what they think
21:22
Speaker 1: about this. And, you know, she's catching the blind spots.
21:26
Speaker 1: And that's been a huge blessing because I don't want
21:29
Speaker 1: to be walking around not knowing anything. where I'm at full.
21:33
Speaker 2: I want to take a quick moment and tell you
21:34
Speaker 2: about a ministry that me and my family are very
21:35
Speaker 2: passionate about, one that we personally support.
21:38
Speaker 1: It's called Global Christian Relief.
21:39
Speaker 2: And I've seen the work they're doing in persecuted countries
21:41
Speaker 2: all around the world. I've seen what they're doing in China.
21:44
Speaker 2: I've seen what they're doing in Nigeria personally. I've seen
21:47
Speaker 2: how they're rebuilding homes that have been burned down by terrorists,
21:50
Speaker 2: how they're smuggling Bibles into countries I'm not even allowed
21:53
Speaker 2: to say. And I would urge you to heed Jesus's
21:56
Speaker 2: call that whatever you did for the least of these brothers,
21:59
Speaker 2: you did for him. So click the link in the
22:01
Speaker 2: show notes, support the persecuted church, and know you're not
22:04
Speaker 2: just doing it for them.
22:05
Speaker 1: You're doing it for him.
22:06
Speaker 2: But it is a hard thing to be in the
22:08
Speaker 2: spotlight trying to spotlight your Savior.
22:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I think the hardest part
22:16
Speaker 1: is being misunderstood. That's the hardest part. And, you know,
22:21
Speaker 1: that is what it is. And I've come to reality
22:23
Speaker 1: with it because Jesus was the most misunderstood guy on
22:26
Speaker 1: the planet.
22:27
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
22:28
Speaker 1: And so I want to be like Jesus, not in
22:30
Speaker 1: that I want to purposefully be misunderstood, but I'm like, okay,
22:34
Speaker 1: you can relate to me in some aspects. Like I
22:36
Speaker 1: can't relate to Jesus and how he was misunderstood. I've
22:38
Speaker 1: never had rocks thrown at me, but yet you're yet,
22:44
Speaker 1: but you were misunderstood. And I, like, I understand. So,
22:48
Speaker 1: you know, being misunderstood is hard, but you know, having,
22:53
Speaker 1: having a local pastor that, Loves on me and my
22:57
Speaker 1: wife and my friends that love us and people that
23:00
Speaker 1: aren't impressed by us and that want to actually spend
23:02
Speaker 1: time with us and hang out. And, you know, they
23:05
Speaker 1: want to go to medieval times together or whatever it
23:07
Speaker 1: may be. I'm like, man, I like that. And that's
23:11
Speaker 1: what fuels me and keeps me going outside of just Jesus.
23:16
Speaker 1: It's like having these people in my life and knowing
23:19
Speaker 1: that I can call on people. Yeah, being misunderstood is difficult,
23:23
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. It is, yeah. What
23:25
Speaker 1: are your aspirations? Because right now you are one of
23:31
Speaker 1: the most famous Christian people on the planet. Does that
23:34
Speaker 1: feel weird when I say that? Definitely, because I don't
23:37
Speaker 1: think of myself that way. I mean, objectively, it's true.
23:40
Speaker 1: When I look in the mirror, I don't think of
23:42
Speaker 1: myself that way. I think like, oh, I probably need
23:44
Speaker 1: to lose a little bit of weight. I don't know
23:47
Speaker 1: what weight you would lose. Well, see, we had a
23:50
Speaker 1: conversation about this. I did a podcast episode the other
23:53
Speaker 1: day about gluttony. And I'm sitting there thinking it and
23:56
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, like I can control my diet. And
23:58
Speaker 1: then like 10 o'clock hits and 40 McNuggets with barbecue
24:01
Speaker 1: sauce for McDonald's sounds insane. You know, or something like that.
24:04
Speaker 2: Taco Bell is only good after like midnight.
24:06
Speaker 1: I can't see like, I'm done with Taco Bell. I
24:09
Speaker 1: hate to be TMI, but it burns. It just burns. Yeah,
24:14
Speaker 1: it does. So there's that. But no, aspirations are for
24:22
Speaker 1: our ministry. Practically. I want our ministry to, my heart
24:26
Speaker 1: has always been the ministry to be more, to be
24:29
Speaker 1: about more than just a person. And so we want
24:33
Speaker 1: to do these like discipleship trainings where we're raising young
24:36
Speaker 1: people up to do the same thing, but in their
24:39
Speaker 1: own way of how God's given them gifts for their
24:41
Speaker 1: glory and let that be their ministry. You know, if
24:43
Speaker 1: people have a gift for graphic design or editing, or
24:46
Speaker 1: if God's given them a speaking gift or whatever it
24:48
Speaker 1: may be like, you know, we want to be able
24:51
Speaker 1: to let, I just want my mistakes to, To be
24:53
Speaker 1: someone else's foundation so that they don't make the same
24:55
Speaker 1: mistakes I did. Praise energy. Absolutely. I like love energy drinks.
25:01
Speaker 1: So this is like such a fun one. Tell me
25:04
Speaker 1: more about that because that's another one you've gotten some
25:06
Speaker 1: heat for. It's just like funny because I've seen so
25:09
Speaker 1: much stuff, which by the way, outside of the praise
25:12
Speaker 1: energy stuff. Anytime like my grandma sees a video of
25:15
Speaker 1: me online, she'll like text it to me. She has
25:16
Speaker 1: no idea if it's good or bad. So there's been
25:18
Speaker 1: like ancestors should be like, yo, Bryce, like, look, this
25:21
Speaker 1: guy made a video about you. And it's like a
25:22
Speaker 1: really bad video. I don't know why grandma's such a sweetheart.
25:26
Speaker 1: Juju's the best.
25:27
Speaker 2: So real quick, and then we'll get back into praise energy.
25:30
Speaker 2: When we were filming for the documentary, we put, we
25:34
Speaker 2: roll up to Juju's house and we're there for a good,
25:36
Speaker 2: you know, 30.
25:38
Speaker 1: Minutes to an hour before you arrive.
25:40
Speaker 2: And, and I said that to Juju, I was like, Juju,
25:43
Speaker 2: how does it feel having a grandson who's one of
25:45
Speaker 2: the most famous young Christians on the planet?
25:47
Speaker 1: And she goes, he is. And I was just like,
25:51
Speaker 1: she's got no idea.
25:53
Speaker 2: And then she starts crying and she's just so proud
25:56
Speaker 2: of you that you've been so faithful and had so
26:00
Speaker 2: much fruit. And it was a really sweet moment that
26:04
Speaker 2: this grandma, like it was like watching it, like her
26:07
Speaker 2: realize all of her prayers had come true for you.
26:11
Speaker 1: Just a really special moment. Well, she has, but she's
26:13
Speaker 1: been like the rock of faith in our family for
26:15
Speaker 1: the longest time and is such a saint. And she
26:18
Speaker 1: had been praying for the longest time for like a
26:20
Speaker 1: preacher to come from our family. So that's encouraging. And
26:25
Speaker 1: she's the best, like one of my best friends. But
26:31
Speaker 1: the praise energy stuff was so dumb because it was... Well,
26:36
Speaker 1: I'll give a quick backstory. I like energy drinks, not
26:38
Speaker 1: for the caffeine. I like the flavors. All right. You're
26:40
Speaker 1: telling me... what the heck is electric vibe? Tell me
26:43
Speaker 1: what that is. What is that? Can someone tell me?
26:46
Speaker 1: That's so fun. You know what I mean? But it's
26:51
Speaker 1: interesting how in America, we have 200 milligrams, but everywhere
26:53
Speaker 1: else around the globe, it's 100 milligrams. Yeah, in the
26:57
Speaker 1: energy drinks. And I've never been someone to drink an
26:59
Speaker 1: energy drink because I'm like, oh my gosh, I need
27:01
Speaker 1: to wake myself up. I just like the flavor. So
27:05
Speaker 1: sometimes the guys will be like, dude, you do not
27:06
Speaker 1: need energy drink right now it's five o'clock in the
27:09
Speaker 1: afternoon and i'm like i don't i don't because in
27:12
Speaker 1: my mind i'm like i want the flavor so when
27:14
Speaker 1: we made praise energy i wanted to make a cleaner
27:16
Speaker 1: option that had less ingredients that had clean you know
27:20
Speaker 1: a clean sweetener in it yeah and had less caffeine
27:24
Speaker 1: because i didn't want to like enable someone's caffeine addiction
27:27
Speaker 1: and then if someone were to drink two it would
27:30
Speaker 1: be like having one regular one except our ingredients are
27:34
Speaker 1: way better yeah um and so So we made it.
27:38
Speaker 1: A couple of things happened. When we had announced that
27:40
Speaker 1: we had made it, the website had misinformation on the
27:44
Speaker 1: ingredient list. So it said it had sucralose in the drink,
27:48
Speaker 1: which is an artificial sweetener that every energy drink has.
27:51
Speaker 1: It's like 200 times sweeter than any sweetener. And so
27:56
Speaker 1: I was getting clowned for that where people were like, oh,
27:58
Speaker 1: you say it's like a Christian energy drink, but it's
28:00
Speaker 1: got sucralose in it. We don't use sucralose. We use
28:03
Speaker 1: like monk fruit, stevia and organic cane sugar. There's a
28:07
Speaker 1: few grams of sugar in it, but it's the cleanest
28:09
Speaker 1: form of sweetener. So I'm like, count the cost, but
28:12
Speaker 1: I'd rather do that. Second thing was people were mad
28:16
Speaker 1: that it was called a Christian energy drink. So then
28:19
Speaker 1: why do you complain when Liquid Death has witches cast
28:22
Speaker 1: spells over their drinks, but you're complaining about a solution
28:24
Speaker 1: to that? Yeah. That's what made me laugh. And I
28:26
Speaker 1: was like, you guys are like, don't drink Liquid Death.
28:29
Speaker 1: There's a witch casting a spell over it. But then
28:31
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we made a Christian energy drink and
28:33
Speaker 1: you have a problem with that. Yeah. And you think
28:35
Speaker 1: it's a money grab. Whereas like, I just love energy drinks.
28:38
Speaker 1: I wanted to make a better option and something that
28:40
Speaker 1: tasted awesome. And that you would know that the heart
28:42
Speaker 1: behind the company is... There's Christians behind the company and
28:46
Speaker 1: the branding is Christian. We're in your face. We need
28:48
Speaker 1: more Christian products on shelves in like grocery stores and
28:51
Speaker 1: stuff like that. We just do. We need more ways
28:53
Speaker 1: that people can come to know Jesus in everyday life
28:55
Speaker 1: and that the people behind the company and the people
28:58
Speaker 1: working actually care for your soul. We have so many
29:01
Speaker 1: cool things about the drinks and the electrolytes that are
29:03
Speaker 1: just so fun and ways to incorporate your faith into it.
29:07
Speaker 1: But the funniest stuff would be like people, I remember
29:10
Speaker 1: seeing this one video and this guy did like this
29:12
Speaker 1: whiteboard video and I thought it was so funny. And
29:15
Speaker 1: he did like a long video about why praise energy
29:20
Speaker 1: was wrong on a whiteboard. And in the first 10 seconds,
29:23
Speaker 1: he's like, I have a Christian clothing brand, but it's
29:25
Speaker 1: totally different. And then just started going in on me.
29:29
Speaker 1: And I was like, what does that even mean? Like,
29:32
Speaker 1: it's like the same thing. You're mad, you know, you
29:34
Speaker 1: get mad that we slapped Christian onto an energy drink,
29:36
Speaker 1: but you're not mad when people slap Christian onto, uh, t-shirt.
29:42
Speaker 1: Or even worse, people are mad that we slapped Christian
29:44
Speaker 1: onto an energy drink company, but people have their own
29:47
Speaker 1: study Bibles. Right. And you want to get mad at
29:50
Speaker 1: us for making an energy drink? Like that's the craziest
29:53
Speaker 1: comparison right there. It's like energy drink compared to like
29:56
Speaker 1: someone having their own study Bible. And I don't think
29:57
Speaker 1: someone having their own study Bible is bad. I think
30:00
Speaker 1: it's cool to have someone's perspective. Like John MacArthur's study
30:03
Speaker 1: Bible has encouraged so many people's faith and generations before mine,
30:06
Speaker 1: including my grandma. You know what I mean? So like,
30:08
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that. So yeah. I think there was
30:12
Speaker 1: just a lot of, again, misinformation out there. And for me,
30:15
Speaker 1: this is more just fun. It's just something fun I'm having.
30:18
Speaker 1: I'm making a fun drink. I'm making electrolytes. They're a
30:21
Speaker 1: cleaner option for you. You're not intimidated by the ingredient list.
30:25
Speaker 1: You know what's going in your body. You're supporting Christians.
30:29
Speaker 1: That's always been fun. So praise energy is another one
30:33
Speaker 1: of the aspirations. And then just being a husband, being
30:37
Speaker 1: a father, hopefully one day. I want to be a father.
30:40
Speaker 1: I want to have a load of kids, not there.
30:42
Speaker 1: That's not like a pregnancy announcement. That's just, you know,
30:45
Speaker 1: I want to have a load of kids, but yeah,
30:47
Speaker 1: it's great, man. Have lots of them. That's the, that's,
30:50
Speaker 1: that's the goal. Gotta, gotta outpopulate the world with some believers.
30:54
Speaker 1: Let's go, man. Let's talk about some of the demonic attacks.
30:58
Speaker 2: You you've shared with me a few of these, take
31:01
Speaker 2: me into some of those moments where you're like, man,
31:03
Speaker 2: I feel like I was pretty significantly attacked in this moment.
31:07
Speaker 1: Um, I had a couple. So the, the, the main
31:10
Speaker 1: one that comes to mind, which I think this is,
31:14
Speaker 1: I think this one's like, if you, I think this
31:16
Speaker 1: one just makes so much more sense. So May of
31:20
Speaker 1: 2023 had a dream that we were going to start
31:21
Speaker 1: the ministry in June. My buddy, Josh is like, I'm
31:25
Speaker 1: going to come commit and come be with you. And
31:28
Speaker 1: so I was like doing the thing to start the
31:30
Speaker 1: 501 C three, because we had no money and, you know, people,
31:33
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to give, you know, give
31:36
Speaker 1: to us. We're an outlet to give. So I create
31:38
Speaker 1: the 501c3 and I get it done and towards the
31:41
Speaker 1: end of October. And I'm like, all right, I'm going
31:44
Speaker 1: to go around and I'm going to just tell people
31:46
Speaker 1: what we're doing. If they want to give, they want
31:47
Speaker 1: to give to people that I grew up with. A
31:51
Speaker 1: weekend of November goes by and I've got this crazy
31:55
Speaker 1: stomach pain in my body that I can't get rid of.
31:59
Speaker 1: It was like, I would be like hunched over and
32:01
Speaker 1: I couldn't be it was like hard to drive. I
32:03
Speaker 1: would have to pull over if I was driving and
32:05
Speaker 1: it would happen. Or if I would be out, I
32:07
Speaker 1: would have to leave. And Maddie and I had just met.
32:10
Speaker 1: So we're like kind of hanging out in group settings.
32:12
Speaker 1: And she's like, what the heck is going on? And
32:13
Speaker 1: she's like trying, she like first month and a half
32:17
Speaker 1: of me, me and Maddie, Maddie was just there by
32:19
Speaker 1: my side. Like, I don't care what happens. I'm here
32:21
Speaker 1: for you. Just like incredible soul. But I get this pain.
32:25
Speaker 1: I lose 20 pounds and I, I'm like in pain
32:29
Speaker 1: every day in my stomach and having like in my heart.
32:32
Speaker 1: And I had this lump like behind my ear and
32:36
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. It was like, we
32:38
Speaker 1: found out it was like my lymph node behind one
32:41
Speaker 1: of my ears was like swollen. And one night I
32:45
Speaker 1: went to the ER and they're like doing all these
32:47
Speaker 1: blood tests and stuff and MRI, have no idea what's
32:49
Speaker 1: going on. Like, we don't know what's going on. And
32:52
Speaker 1: then I go home and I'm getting more blood tests
32:54
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And all they had told us
32:56
Speaker 1: was that we don't know what's going on. You just
32:58
Speaker 1: have a slightly low white blood cell count. And so,
33:03
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't, my mind didn't immediately go to
33:06
Speaker 1: cancer because like people like you'd have to have an
33:08
Speaker 1: extremely low white blood cell count if you have cancer.
33:11
Speaker 1: But that was just like the only thing they get.
33:13
Speaker 1: They couldn't give us an answer. And I was having
33:16
Speaker 1: a hard time eating. I was down 20 pounds. I
33:18
Speaker 1: was always in constant pain. I get the lymph node
33:21
Speaker 1: cut out. They just like cut it out of my ear,
33:23
Speaker 1: out of my neck and just got rid of it.
33:25
Speaker 1: Cause you don't really need them, but I'm still in
33:27
Speaker 1: this pain. And, uh, one day I go on Instagram
33:34
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, am I experiencing
33:36
Speaker 1: like the judgment of God right now? Like, did I
33:38
Speaker 1: do something wrong? I'm like, and literally I'm like, I'm
33:41
Speaker 1: not an unrepentant sin. I don't have unforgiveness or bitterness
33:44
Speaker 1: towards anyone. Like, I don't know what's going on. And
33:47
Speaker 1: on my Instagram DMs, there's a group chat of witches.
33:51
Speaker 1: sending like voice memo curses like over and i'm like
33:56
Speaker 1: only the devil would know something is going to happen
34:00
Speaker 1: something profoundly is going to happen maybe one person's going
34:03
Speaker 1: to get saved because of the ministry if he's trying
34:06
Speaker 1: to kill it before it quits because i couldn't raise
34:08
Speaker 1: money because i'm always in the i'm hurting in pain
34:10
Speaker 1: and i couldn't go around and talk to people and
34:13
Speaker 1: i was like in pain and so i i literally
34:15
Speaker 1: wasn't able to raise money until like last week of
34:18
Speaker 1: december i think um And we did it through social media.
34:23
Speaker 1: But I looked and I was like, oh my gosh.
34:26
Speaker 1: So then I went to prayer and texted my mentor.
34:29
Speaker 1: We went to prayer and the pain was gone. And
34:32
Speaker 1: then the next day I had a doctor's appointment where
34:36
Speaker 1: they put a scope down my stomach. And they were like, yeah,
34:38
Speaker 1: you just got a stomach ulcer. And I was like, well,
34:41
Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't catch that. But then
34:44
Speaker 1: if that was the case, why did I lose 20 pounds?
34:46
Speaker 1: Why has nobody been able to figure out what's going
34:48
Speaker 1: on until now? Um, and so I, I, I didn't take,
34:53
Speaker 1: take that lightly and I was like, wow, maybe God
34:55
Speaker 1: really wants to do something with this. So that means
34:57
Speaker 1: we really need to go all in if Satan's coming
34:59
Speaker 1: after us. And then two months into starting the ministry,
35:04
Speaker 1: I was getting nightmares every night. Like it would start
35:09
Speaker 1: as a dream and then I would get attacked in
35:12
Speaker 1: the dream. At the end of the dream, it would
35:14
Speaker 1: turn into a nightmare. And then one night, the last
35:19
Speaker 1: time it happened, I was like, the dream is so vivid.
35:22
Speaker 1: I was in a church service worshiping and I get
35:25
Speaker 1: a phone call in the dream. And so I walk
35:27
Speaker 1: out of the church to go outside of the church
35:30
Speaker 1: to take the phone call. And I'm like walking on
35:31
Speaker 1: the sidewalk and I like get off the phone and
35:34
Speaker 1: I'm walking back and this dark figure jumps around the
35:38
Speaker 1: corner and slams me to the ground and reaches up
35:42
Speaker 1: and scratches me on the chest. And I wake up
35:45
Speaker 1: and I scratch on my chest. And, uh, and I
35:50
Speaker 1: was like, whoa come to find out there was a
35:54
Speaker 1: Native American dude living underneath our apartment that was like
35:57
Speaker 1: doing rituals and stuff and then we had started seeing
36:00
Speaker 1: this like dark figure in our apartment and And I'd
36:03
Speaker 1: never had really any encounter like with demons or stuff
36:07
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm like calling mentors like, what do
36:09
Speaker 1: I do? Ordering anointing oil from Jerusalem on Amazon and
36:14
Speaker 1: FaceTime and like mentors like it was it was right there.
36:17
Speaker 1: We swear, you know, like, what do we do? And
36:21
Speaker 1: then after going to war and prayer and fasting, it
36:24
Speaker 1: went away. Wow. Holy smokes.
36:28
Speaker 2: I want to take a quick minute and tell you
36:29
Speaker 2: about a devotional book that I just wrote. It's called
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Speaker 2: The Gratitude Reset. And the reason why I'm so passionate
36:33
Speaker 2: about this book is because all of the lessons I
36:36
Speaker 2: learned in the battle that I had with anxiety are
36:38
Speaker 2: now put into this book. All of the scriptures that
36:40
Speaker 2: I could find on anxiety all came back to one solution,
36:43
Speaker 2: and that was prayers of gratitude. So in this devotional book,
36:45
Speaker 2: you're going to get those scriptures. You're going to get
36:47
Speaker 2: a lesson. But then you're also going to journal out
36:49
Speaker 2: what you're grateful for. You're going to journal the burdens
36:50
Speaker 2: that you're going to give to Jesus because we're called
36:52
Speaker 2: to cast our cares onto him.
36:53
Speaker 1: Because he cares for us.
36:55
Speaker 2: And then you're going to pray for others as well,
36:56
Speaker 2: because anxiety is inward focused. Instead of looking at others
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Speaker 2: and saying, how can I bless them? How can I
37:02
Speaker 2: get my mind onto serving people? And then you're going
37:04
Speaker 2: to jot down notes that Jesus gives you. So I
37:06
Speaker 2: would love it if you could check this out. The
37:07
Speaker 2: link will be in the show notes, or you can
37:09
Speaker 2: go to thejesuspeoplemovement.com slash thegratitudereset.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like the darkness isn't even hiding itself anymore.
37:15
Speaker 2: And what's interesting about what you just shared is the
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Speaker 2: demonic attacked right before the breakthrough happened. You weren't bryce
37:23
Speaker 2: crawford the the young evangelist reaching billions yet you were
37:28
Speaker 2: just starting the ministry and i think that's so interesting
37:31
Speaker 2: to understand the enemy's tactics is he's going to try
37:34
Speaker 2: to derail your ministry before it even begins that might
37:36
Speaker 2: be encouraging for someone out there yeah that if you're
37:39
Speaker 2: getting attacked maybe the lord has something pretty significant on
37:41
Speaker 2: the other side of the breakthrough yeah what do you
37:44
Speaker 2: think's happening in the spirit right now.
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Speaker 1: I feel an extreme tension where Christianity has been a trend.
37:50
Speaker 1: It's been popular. It's been fun. It's been an emotional high.
37:53
Speaker 1: Everyone's curious. Everyone's excited. And I feel like there's this
37:57
Speaker 1: tension right now where people are trying to figure out
38:00
Speaker 1: if they're going to stick around or not. And I want,
38:07
Speaker 1: and I made a video about this the other day
38:09
Speaker 1: because it had been so heavy on my heart for
38:10
Speaker 1: the past week. And I like just pull up on
38:12
Speaker 1: my iPhone. I'm like, do not be discouraged. If you
38:15
Speaker 1: don't feel God, if you're, If you're in this middle
38:18
Speaker 1: ground in between, I got saved 39 times in three
38:21
Speaker 1: summers growing up in middle school, going to church camp.
38:24
Speaker 1: It was just an emotional high. I was not saved.
38:27
Speaker 1: I did not know Jesus. And so I see a
38:31
Speaker 1: lot of, I just feel in my heart and feel
38:34
Speaker 1: in my spirit that there's a lot of people that
38:35
Speaker 1: are kind of confused where Christianity was becoming popular. So
38:38
Speaker 1: like church attendance was rising. Christianity was popular on social media.
38:43
Speaker 1: Like it was becoming the thing, not just like a
38:45
Speaker 1: ton of people that talked about Jesus on social media.
38:47
Speaker 1: It didn't matter who you were, what it was. It
38:49
Speaker 1: was reaching people. And I don't think it's on a
38:52
Speaker 1: decline or an incline. I think it's just kind of like,
38:56
Speaker 1: on a mellow right now and people are trying to
38:58
Speaker 1: figure out what to do. And I just want to
38:59
Speaker 1: encourage a believer like God is not in the business
39:02
Speaker 1: of emotional highs. He's in the business of enduring faith.
39:05
Speaker 1: That's what he wants. So he wants to create a sustaining,
39:08
Speaker 1: lasting heart. That's exactly what Paul writes to the church
39:11
Speaker 1: of Ephesus. He's like, you guys are doing some great ministry,
39:13
Speaker 1: but if I could kill the ministry so that you
39:16
Speaker 1: guys could have individual sold out hearts for Jesus without
39:19
Speaker 1: the shadow of a doubt, I'd do it in an instant.
39:21
Speaker 1: So you guys could keep your hearts for the Lord
39:23
Speaker 1: for yourselves. And I'm like, I want, people around the globe,
39:27
Speaker 1: whether you're curious about Jesus, knew about Jesus, or been
39:29
Speaker 1: following Jesus for a while, and you're a little confused,
39:31
Speaker 1: I want you to take heart and ground yourself in
39:34
Speaker 1: the word of God. Because the emotional high Christians are
39:37
Speaker 1: going to be the ones that are like, well, Jesus,
39:41
Speaker 1: I went to church every Sunday and I read a
39:44
Speaker 1: devotional every day and I prophesied in your name and
39:46
Speaker 1: I casted demons out in your name. And Jesus answers
39:49
Speaker 1: the question as to, hey, if you don't want to hear,
39:51
Speaker 1: depart from me, I never knew you. A few verses later,
39:53
Speaker 1: he's like, build your foundation on the rock. I'm the rock,
39:55
Speaker 1: build it on me. And we need to build our
39:58
Speaker 1: foundation on him right now. Because if we don't, with
40:01
Speaker 1: AI and technology and the influx of information at our
40:04
Speaker 1: fingertips and misinformation out there, we can get confused really
40:08
Speaker 1: quickly about who's Lord and what's going to satisfy us.
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Speaker 2: So why do you think Gen Z is having the
40:14
Speaker 2: revival they're having right now? And then What do you
40:17
Speaker 2: think the Lord is doing? Because you and I both
40:20
Speaker 2: chatted with Philip Anthony Mitchell. Yep. And everyone I've talked
40:24
Speaker 2: to that hears from the Spirit of God feels something happening.
40:29
Speaker 2: Like we're in those last days. We're in that end
40:31
Speaker 2: time season. What are you experiencing? What are you hearing?
40:35
Speaker 2: What are you reading that's catching your attention right now?
40:40
Speaker 1: I'm reading... Well, I think Gen Z is experiencing revival
40:44
Speaker 1: right now because... they have an influx of all sin
40:49
Speaker 1: is at their fingertips and mass amounts in a short
40:51
Speaker 1: amount of times. It's like DoorDash has created an instant
40:54
Speaker 1: gratification where we can get food anywhere as much as
40:56
Speaker 1: we want at any time. And sin is the same
40:58
Speaker 1: way through the phone, through Google, through all these things.
41:01
Speaker 1: You can watch as much sexual explicit content as you want,
41:04
Speaker 1: anytime you want, as much as you want. You can
41:06
Speaker 1: even pay. It's crazy to me that people are paying
41:08
Speaker 1: for it when it's free. You know what I mean?
41:10
Speaker 1: That's how bad it's getting. That's how bad sin is getting.
41:13
Speaker 1: People are willing to pay for sin. So you have
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Speaker 1: exploitation happening, sin at your fingertips. And because they're getting
41:20
Speaker 1: sin so fast in such big quantities in such a
41:23
Speaker 1: short amount of time, I think they're just sick of
41:26
Speaker 1: it and they know it's not going to work. Whereas
41:27
Speaker 1: like what has taken people normally, people, you know, 30s
41:30
Speaker 1: and 40s, they're like, I'm going to start following Jesus.
41:32
Speaker 1: People in high school are like, I can't do this anymore.
41:36
Speaker 1: I've got to stop this addiction. I've got to stop drinking.
41:39
Speaker 1: I've got to stop doing all these things, drowning my
41:41
Speaker 1: problems in it. On the contrary, or not on the contrary,
41:44
Speaker 1: going hand in hand with it, it's also created depression
41:46
Speaker 1: and anxiety. We're the most depressed and anxious generation of
41:49
Speaker 1: all time. And so I think that goes hand in
41:52
Speaker 1: hand with it. So that's why I think Gen Z
41:54
Speaker 1: is experiencing revival because Jesus is attractive because people find
41:59
Speaker 1: Jesus and they go, oh, wow, I'm not hopeless like
42:02
Speaker 1: I am when I go get drunk again or when
42:05
Speaker 1: I go have sex with my boyfriend or girlfriend again
42:07
Speaker 1: or when I go do this thing or whatever it
42:10
Speaker 1: may be. So I think that's what's happening in Gen Z,
42:14
Speaker 1: why they're experiencing a revival. And then in regards to
42:16
Speaker 1: what's happening, I think this tension, that tension thing that
42:20
Speaker 1: I was talking about is important because the Bible talks
42:25
Speaker 1: about there being a mass falling away. And we need
42:32
Speaker 1: to be careful about how we live our faith. I
42:37
Speaker 1: don't want to just be a Christian that only posts
42:39
Speaker 1: on social media. I want to be a Christian that
42:42
Speaker 1: loves Jesus more offline than I do online. And if
42:47
Speaker 1: we create a culture because Christianity has become a trend
42:51
Speaker 1: that to be a Christian, it means you have to
42:52
Speaker 1: post online. A lot of people are going to burn out.
42:54
Speaker 1: They're going to fall because then their faith is going
42:57
Speaker 1: to be determined on what they post. They're only going
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Speaker 1: to make videos as soon as they get a revelation
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Speaker 1: from God. There's no secrets between the person and God.
43:06
Speaker 1: And that creates this culture where of burnout, where it's performance.
43:09
Speaker 1: It's not real faith because it's all about how, how,
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Speaker 1: how many revelations you can get, how much strength it
43:15
Speaker 1: takes me to do this thing. And so that's like
43:18
Speaker 1: my biggest caution of like, man, I really want to
43:21
Speaker 1: see is like, how do we find the balance of
43:24
Speaker 1: encouraging people to walk out their gifts, encourage people to
43:27
Speaker 1: go out and be bold for their faith while also like, Hey,
43:29
Speaker 1: be cautious and know the devil's like, not the devil's
43:34
Speaker 1: not going to like, Blow everyone's life up by, you know,
43:38
Speaker 1: tempting this person with, you know, something wild. Like, you know,
43:43
Speaker 1: they open their door and the DoorDash bag has drugs
43:45
Speaker 1: in it, you know? It's like, no, Satan just might
43:49
Speaker 1: make you look a little too long on Instagram. Or
43:53
Speaker 1: Satan might actually give you the platform that you want.
43:55
Speaker 2: Ooh.
43:57
Speaker 1: Or Satan knows what you like. He's seductive. He's in
43:59
Speaker 1: a tux. He's got slick black hair. You know, he's like,
44:02
Speaker 1: he knows what you want. He's attractive. And he can
44:05
Speaker 1: appeal to your desires and your wants because he's the devil.
44:08
Speaker 1: That's what he wants. He's come to steal, kill, and
44:11
Speaker 1: destroy your intimacy with Jesus so much so that he's
44:13
Speaker 1: willing to blind you with things that you think you want.
44:16
Speaker 1: And so in this tension season, if you're praying to
44:18
Speaker 1: God for things and God's not giving you to them,
44:21
Speaker 1: then thank God instead of turn your back on him,
44:23
Speaker 1: because God is actually giving you what you need and
44:25
Speaker 1: not what's going to crush you.
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Speaker 2: Amen.
44:27
Speaker 1: I don't want something that's going to crush me. I
44:28
Speaker 1: want something that's going to bless me. And if that
44:30
Speaker 1: means losing friends, it's going to bless me so that
44:32
Speaker 1: I have a closer circle. I want that.
44:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:34
Speaker 1: If that means, you know, not God doesn't trust me
44:37
Speaker 1: with money, whereas he trusts other people. You know, we,
44:40
Speaker 1: we don't talk about covetousness a lot. You know, we
44:42
Speaker 1: were like, get jealous of people's homes or followings or
44:45
Speaker 1: money or status or girlfriend or boyfriend or, or husband
44:48
Speaker 1: or wife or whatever it may be. And it's like, well,
44:50
Speaker 1: I'm glad God trusts that person with those things. And
44:52
Speaker 1: he trusts me with what I have. And so our
44:55
Speaker 1: prayer is, In this season and continually, my pastor from
44:59
Speaker 1: back at home in Georgia told me, Bryce, always pray
45:02
Speaker 1: for thick skin, but a soft heart. Thick skin to
45:06
Speaker 1: take the arrows of the world, the blows of the world,
45:09
Speaker 1: the thick skin to withstand the blows and opposition of
45:14
Speaker 1: the enemy, but a soft, compassionate heart for people so
45:17
Speaker 1: you don't grow cold for people. Yeah. It's like David
45:20
Speaker 1: versus Saul. Yeah.
45:22
Speaker 2: You know, David takes down Goliath and Saul. gets so
45:26
Speaker 2: offended when all the people start singing, Saul's killed the thousands.
45:30
Speaker 1: David's killed the tens of thousands.
45:32
Speaker 2: Well, that's why Saul had the throne removed from him
45:35
Speaker 2: because now he cared about the opinions of man. Saul was,
45:38
Speaker 2: or David was singing and dancing and people are like,
45:41
Speaker 2: what's this guy doing? He's like, I'll be even more
45:43
Speaker 2: embarrassed than this. You think this is all I got?
45:45
Speaker 2: I don't care what you think. And I think that's
45:47
Speaker 2: where the enemy, especially with social media right now, the
45:51
Speaker 2: enemy might give someone a platform. in order that comparison
45:55
Speaker 2: takes them out and they start caring so much about
45:58
Speaker 2: what people think of them and they start caring so
46:00
Speaker 2: much about the comments and that follower count now has
46:04
Speaker 2: become your burnout.
46:06
Speaker 1: Yep.
46:07
Speaker 2: That follower count has now become you with Saul's throne
46:11
Speaker 2: to the point where God's not going to bless you anymore.
46:13
Speaker 2: He's going to actually remove it from you because now
46:16
Speaker 2: it's no longer been about the God you were worshiping,
46:19
Speaker 2: the God you were communing with before you communicated to
46:21
Speaker 2: a public audience. Now it's become about How do I
46:24
Speaker 2: maintain this rat race of going viral? And that's what
46:27
Speaker 2: I've seen with a lot of Christian content creators is
46:30
Speaker 2: the algorithm changes. And all of a sudden they're not
46:32
Speaker 2: reaching the same people anymore. And now they're calling me going,
46:36
Speaker 2: how do I get back? And it's because they were
46:38
Speaker 2: chasing this dopamine hit. And I'm telling on myself here,
46:42
Speaker 2: exposing my own heart because that's my own chase as well.
46:46
Speaker 1: What do you make of that? I mean, in that
46:48
Speaker 1: same passage, when the women are like, you know, Saul's
46:51
Speaker 1: slain them in the thousands, David's in the ten thousands,
46:53
Speaker 1: it says, in that moment, envy entered Saul's heart. That's powerful.
46:59
Speaker 1: And Saul goes on to try to kill David, chases him,
47:03
Speaker 1: throwing spears at him, trying to kill him. And then
47:05
Speaker 1: David finds him sleeping in a cave and cuts his
47:07
Speaker 1: shirt off and sneaks up on Saul. He's like, yo, Saul, look,
47:10
Speaker 1: I could have killed you last night, but I didn't.
47:14
Speaker 1: And David being... The goat he is, is like, yeah,
47:20
Speaker 1: good kings don't throw spears. Yep. And comparison is the
47:25
Speaker 1: thief of joy that they say. And so if you
47:28
Speaker 1: struggle with comparison or envy, you see like envy and
47:32
Speaker 1: pride are sins that you can't see in yourself, but
47:39
Speaker 1: will crush you. So hard to see envy. Like how
47:43
Speaker 1: hard is it to admit that you're being prideful or wrong?
47:47
Speaker 1: How hard is it to admit that you're being jealous
47:49
Speaker 1: or wanting something that you don't have? Like, it's so hard.
47:53
Speaker 1: It's different to be like, oh yeah, you know, I
47:54
Speaker 1: struggle with lust or yeah, I have like an eating problem.
47:57
Speaker 1: I struggle with gluttony. You can look at the way
47:58
Speaker 1: or you can look at your search history and see
48:00
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like, okay, we
48:03
Speaker 1: can be honest about that. But can you be honest
48:05
Speaker 1: that like, you're jealous that God is not trusting you
48:09
Speaker 1: with this thing that he's trusting your best friend with?
48:12
Speaker 1: And that's where Like, I love Luke 24 when Jesus
48:16
Speaker 1: opens the disciples' minds to the reality that he is
48:20
Speaker 1: the risen Christ in the flesh, but he does it
48:22
Speaker 1: at the dinner table. And he goes, you guys got
48:25
Speaker 1: some bread and fish? And then it was in that
48:27
Speaker 1: moment he opens their minds. We're like, oh, you actually
48:29
Speaker 1: are risen from the dead. That's pretty sick. And he
48:33
Speaker 1: turns Thanksgiving from a holiday to a weapon. Against Satan,
48:38
Speaker 1: against lies and things like that. Gratitude and thanksgiving needs
48:41
Speaker 1: to become a daily practice that we take in our
48:45
Speaker 1: life for the small things. Because envy and pride creeps
48:49
Speaker 1: in when we only focus on big things. Like, you know,
48:53
Speaker 1: a big pay raise from a job or big following
48:56
Speaker 1: or big opportunity. And we're like lacking gratitude that I
49:02
Speaker 1: have two arms and two legs on my body and
49:04
Speaker 1: there's people that don't. Yeah. And I'm breathing. I'm able
49:07
Speaker 1: to afford toothpaste. I'm able to eat a meal today.
49:10
Speaker 1: I was able to door dash food to this place
49:15
Speaker 1: while we're recording the podcast. So I have the opportunity
49:17
Speaker 1: to eat. It's like we're forgetting. about that because I
49:22
Speaker 1: don't have as many followers as that guy. And it's like,
49:25
Speaker 1: do we see how silly that sounds right now? Like
49:29
Speaker 1: we're all competing against ourselves. You know, we want to
49:32
Speaker 1: preach against mental health all the time in Christianity, but
49:34
Speaker 1: the body of Christ cuts itself every day when we
49:37
Speaker 1: throw spears at each other. When we get jealous of
49:40
Speaker 1: each other, when denominations fight with each other over secondary
49:43
Speaker 1: and tetrary issues, we cut ourselves every day when we
49:46
Speaker 1: do that. And we need to slow down and understand
49:50
Speaker 1: that there's an impossible unity that Francis Chan talks about.
49:53
Speaker 1: He wrote a whole book on it. There is a
49:54
Speaker 1: unity that needs to happen amongst the body of Christ
49:57
Speaker 1: that we can see so that the Lord may have glory.
50:01
Speaker 1: Not that we may have the glory, but that he
50:03
Speaker 1: can also return because we need him to return. And
50:05
Speaker 1: he's coming back for a bride that's pure.
50:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
50:07
Speaker 1: And his prayer for us, I think this is crazy.
50:10
Speaker 2: The one thing Jesus prays for us, or the main
50:12
Speaker 2: thing Jesus prays for us in John 17, is that
50:15
Speaker 2: we would be one as he is one with the Father.
50:19
Speaker 2: And I see a culture right now, to your point,
50:21
Speaker 2: on social media where we know what goes viral. What
50:26
Speaker 2: goes viral on social media is what is the most salacious.
50:31
Speaker 2: And what's the most salacious?
50:32
Speaker 1: Gossip.
50:33
Speaker 2: Yep. And so right now we're seeing a fracturing of
50:36
Speaker 2: the body of Christ when he's coming back for a
50:38
Speaker 2: bride that's purified and a bride that's united. And we're
50:42
Speaker 2: doing it in the name of virality.
50:44
Speaker 1: What is that? That's pride. That's elevating self. Yeah.
50:48
Speaker 2: Instead of saying, I'm going to lower myself and become
50:50
Speaker 2: a servant. How do you become a servant to the absent?
50:53
Speaker 2: How do you become loyal to the absent? They're not
50:55
Speaker 2: in your midst. Wow.
50:56
Speaker 1: How do you talk?
50:57
Speaker 2: How do you talk well of someone in there? How
50:59
Speaker 2: do you talk well of Catholics? How do you talk
51:01
Speaker 2: well of Baptists? How do you talk well of Pentecostals
51:03
Speaker 2: in their absence? That's what we need more of.
51:05
Speaker 1: Online right now. Yeah, I agree. I love the proverb.
51:08
Speaker 1: Proverbs says gossip is like a delicious morsel that goes
51:13
Speaker 1: down in your soul, but leaves you unsatisfied. We do
51:18
Speaker 1: it because it's going to make us feel good, but
51:19
Speaker 1: it leaves us worse off than before. Crazy. Think about
51:23
Speaker 1: gossip's dangerous. It's the sin. That we don't talk about.
51:26
Speaker 1: But it feels good. It tastes, it tastes good at first.
51:29
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It's like honey. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I
51:32
Speaker 1: needed that release.
51:33
Speaker 2: I needed to elevate myself a little more because my
51:37
Speaker 2: insecurity was bubbling.
51:38
Speaker 1: And so let me just cut that person.
51:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
51:41
Speaker 1: It's like so silly when you say it out loud,
51:42
Speaker 1: but we do it more. We've tolerated gossip. We've tolerated ungodliness.
51:46
Speaker 1: That reminds you like the man in Mark chapter five
51:48
Speaker 1: with 6,000 demons. Like we don't talk about how the
51:50
Speaker 1: city allowed. the ungodliness in their city. It was, it
51:54
Speaker 1: wasn't until the man got free that they were like, Oh,
51:56
Speaker 1: get him out. We don't want him anymore.
51:57
Speaker 2: Jeez. Yeah.
51:58
Speaker 1: Why do we tolerate ungodliness? Crazy.
52:02
Speaker 2: It's, I mean, and dude, you just look at the,
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Speaker 2: you look at the lineup of sins that it's talked
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Speaker 2: about in the Bible. Drunkenness is mentioned 40 times in
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Speaker 2: the Bible. Sex outside of marriage or sexual immorality is
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Speaker 2: about 70 times. Gossip's mentioned 150 times. So it's double
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Speaker 2: that sin that we look at. At that dude that's
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Speaker 2: partying on Friday night and we're like, sinner. Well, you
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Speaker 2: and your.
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Speaker 1: Gossip just told on yourself. Like according, it's right there.
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Speaker 2: In the Bible, 150 times. And we're punting on it.
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Speaker 2: In fact, it slipped its way into our culture, into
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Speaker 2: our church culture. And we're not just doing it against individuals.
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Speaker 2: We're doing it against denominations.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. It's evil. It's toxic.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing too is I think so many
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Speaker 2: times we don't realize the bitterness in our own hearts.
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Speaker 2: where we're in a shower or we're driving. And all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden we started having a fake argument with
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Speaker 2: someone and we're just letting them have it. It's like, man,
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Speaker 2: that right there, your heart is telling on you. Like
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Speaker 2: you are, you are literally experiencing the move of the
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Speaker 2: enemy in the body of Christ before you actually go
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Speaker 2: out and outwardly sin. It's like, it's like the spark
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Speaker 2: plug of that sin of gossip and unforgiveness. So yeah, Man,
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Speaker 2: what an honor. I love that we got to go
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Speaker 2: into little preaching, Bryce preaching mode there at the end.
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Speaker 1: That was great.
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Speaker 2: But dude, you are an inspiration. I'm so grateful for
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Speaker 2: you guys. We need to be praying for Bryce. Bryce
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Speaker 2: has been given a mantle from the Lord. That's significant.
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Speaker 2: That's unlike anything I've seen and he needs covering. So
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Speaker 2: what I want to ask you guys to do is
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Speaker 2: number one, I want to ask you to commit to
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Speaker 2: praying for Bryce. I want you to potentially put a
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Speaker 2: calendar reminder in your phone for five minutes, one time
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Speaker 2: a week. I want you to pray for for Bryce,
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Speaker 2: for his ministry. I want you to pray for opportunities.
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Speaker 2: I want you to pray for spiritual protection for him
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Speaker 2: and Maddie. I want you to pray for his future children.
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Speaker 2: I want you to get to know Bryce through your prayers,
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Speaker 2: through the Lord, whispering things to you for how you
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Speaker 2: should pray for your brother in Christ, because I can
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Speaker 2: tell you knowing him, he is a pure hearted man
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Speaker 2: of God and he needs covering right now in the
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Speaker 2: name of Jesus. So I want to just close. Usually
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Speaker 2: I have you, you know, the guest closes in prayer.
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Speaker 1: I want to, I want to pray for you. Thank you. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Lord, I just thank you so much for my brother. Lord,
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Speaker 2: would you go before him and behind him? Would you
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Speaker 2: speak loudly to him, Lord? Would you speak clearly to him?
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Speaker 2: Would you speak your good pleasure over him? Would you
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Speaker 2: father him, Lord? Bryce, I just bless you in the
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Speaker 2: name of Jesus with peace. I bless you in the
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Speaker 2: name of Jesus with rest. Lord, would you convince Bryce
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Speaker 2: that you can do more with his less? Would you
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Speaker 2: teach him to Sabbath well? Would you teach him to
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Speaker 2: rest well? Would you show him the deeper things of
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Speaker 2: the kingdom of God and how to operate in the
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Speaker 2: spirit of God in deeper ways than he already is? Lord,
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Speaker 2: thank you for this warrior in the kingdom. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for the blessing that he has for us. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen.
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Speaker 1: Love you, brother. Thanks for being on the Jesus People podcast.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Of course, guys. Thanks for tuning in.
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.