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S5 E26 A Fungus Among Us - The Leongatha Mushroom Murders · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, Terry. Why don't you tell us what
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  Speaker 2: makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: So today, guys, our guest, tonight, we will be going
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  Speaker 1: down under, okay, and we're going to talk about a
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  Speaker 1: pretty recent case, the Gothi lee Ing Gotha Mushroom Murders
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, when Aaron Patterson invited her in
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  Speaker 1: laws over for lunch. They thought it was an olive branch.
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  Speaker 1: Within three days, three had died and the fourth was
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  Speaker 1: fighting for his life after ingesting death cap mushrooms.
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  Speaker 2: Yankes. Yeah me.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into what we're drinking, I will say
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  Speaker 1: that Terry has taken a wonder microdose mushroom. So if
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  Speaker 1: I drop dead or do anything crazy, it's because of that.
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  Speaker 2: None of those things are going to happen. Let's not
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  Speaker 2: manifest that into the universe. Terry, What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: What are you drinking?
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  Speaker 2: What am I drinking? Well, I am finishing my bottle
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  Speaker 2: use of the road mescatto. God. I was drinking last
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  Speaker 2: night for our merch In membership launch party, which was
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  Speaker 2: so much much fun. I only had a glass of
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  Speaker 2: it left, and then I figured I got my War
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  Speaker 2: Stars Coca Cola for afterwards, just for you, Terry.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, I have to say when a monkey Butt
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  Speaker 1: was here, I actually purchased a War Stars can for her.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, look at you. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: And then now that you mentioned War Stars, I have
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  Speaker 1: to admit Facebook gives you memories. Twelve years ago, apparently
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  Speaker 1: I posted I must have been drinking because the spelling
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  Speaker 1: was awful. I was watching the very First War Stars
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  Speaker 1: with Double H and one of the boys, and I
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  Speaker 1: posted on social media that really wasn't that bad?
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  Speaker 2: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: After a bottle and a half?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hey, whatever it takes. Whatever, what are you drinking?
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  Speaker 1: I am drinking my go to Saint super E's Savin
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  Speaker 1: show because I drink way too much of it. And
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  Speaker 1: live show there, I am doing.
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  Speaker 2: That so too.
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  Speaker 1: I know Marilyn's not there anymore. But come.
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  Speaker 2: All right, you guys, And with that, let's get into
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  Speaker 2: what is the crazy story of Aaron Patterson and the
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  Speaker 2: Leon Gotha mushroom murders? Shall we? Because but you know,
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  Speaker 2: before we do, we don't do a lot of like
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  Speaker 2: recent recent cases, and just for the viewers that if
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  Speaker 2: you don't know, we will probably talk about it later,
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  Speaker 2: but I'll just go ahead and mention it now. Aaron's
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  Speaker 2: trial just happened a couple months ago, like the same
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  Speaker 2: time Karen Reid started, and she all of this just
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  Speaker 2: went down court wise June July, I think, was the verdict.
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  Speaker 2: So this is real recent and it's it's it's wild.
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  Speaker 2: So why don't you kick us off.
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  Speaker 1: Terry, I will sadly my computer. Nos, I'm on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast and my soundboard just popped up. Anyway, I'm keeping it.
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  Speaker 1: I shut it down. I didn't use that, so.
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  Speaker 2: No, not today.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, there are times that it could be used. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Aaron Trudy Scudder was born September thirtieth, nineteen seventy four.
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  Speaker 1: She grew up in Glenn Waverley, which is a middle
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  Speaker 1: class suburb of Melbourne. Okay, not Melbourne, it's Melbourne people.
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  Speaker 1: So when asked about her childhood, she said, when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid, mom would weigh us every week to
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  Speaker 1: make sure we weren't putting on too much weight, and
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  Speaker 1: so I went to the extreme of barely eating. And
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  Speaker 1: all I can say is, what the f That is awful?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. That was not what I was
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  Speaker 2: laughing at you listeners. Sorry, No, that is absolutely awful.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that to your kids. Do not do that
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  Speaker 1: to anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Well, also learned somewhere about Aaron.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it happened. It's awful, it's all
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  Speaker 2: it's saying. And that does happen to the young girls
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  Speaker 2: and women all of the time. So it's not too
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  Speaker 2: like outlandish and it's it's not it's always horrible.
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  Speaker 1: So Aaron said that when that was when her crippling
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  Speaker 1: issues with self esteem began to Onlooking onlookers, her upbringing
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  Speaker 1: looked ideal. The Scudders had a beautiful home, they trained
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  Speaker 1: guide dogs, love that her father, Hugh, was a successful businessman,
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  Speaker 1: and her mother, Heather, was a lecturer at Melbourne's monash
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  Speaker 1: Manosh University, specializing in children's literature. Now some text messages
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  Speaker 1: have been published that show what Aaron told others about
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  Speaker 1: her parents. Okay, she referred to her mom as a
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  Speaker 1: cold robot okay, who would yell at her doormat father.
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  Speaker 1: She said it was like being in a Russian orphanage
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  Speaker 1: where they don't touch the babies. Neighbors had nothing but
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  Speaker 1: kind words to say about Aaron's parents. For what it's worth,
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  Speaker 1: I made.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh jeez, that's a great. Well, So a neighbor
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  Speaker 2: recalled that everyone knew Aaron was smart. She was singled
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  Speaker 2: out as bright from a very young age. But Erin
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  Speaker 2: didn't seem to know what to pursue in school, So
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety two, she was accepted to a science
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  Speaker 2: program at the University of Melbourne, the same field that
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  Speaker 2: her sister kin Win was studying at Minash. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: I love the name Kinwin. I didn't even know that
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  Speaker 2: name existed, and I'm a fan. I love it right.
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  Speaker 2: That's fun. Can win, can Win, That's a fun name.
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  Speaker 2: Erin eventually switched to studying accounting before training to be
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  Speaker 2: an air traffic controller, passing the test and finishing the
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  Speaker 2: program in two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, that is a crazy path. How do you
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  Speaker 1: go from science to accounting? Then air traffic controller? The
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  Speaker 1: only thing that came to mind. It sounds like all
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  Speaker 1: of those you have to be smart and like maths,
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  Speaker 1: so none of them are for me.
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  Speaker 2: Not for us, not for us. Now, there were only
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  Speaker 2: fourteen people on her team at Air Services, and most
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  Speaker 2: of them bonded quickly in what was called a friendly
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  Speaker 2: and supportive atmosphere. But colleagues, colleagues, remembered Aaron always turning
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  Speaker 2: down their invitations, sometimes quiet, sometimes abrasive, and always clever.
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  Speaker 2: Some started calling her a crazy erin or scutter the
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  Speaker 2: nutter behind her back. One was later quoted as saying
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  Speaker 2: she was a ritual, habitual, and pathological liar. She would
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  Speaker 2: she would just say anything just to get away with anything. Yikes,
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  Speaker 2: that is not a good reputation have at all. And
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  Speaker 2: Scutter the.
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  Speaker 1: Nutter Yeah, I mean those are some strong nicknames.
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  Speaker 2: Right you are yikes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, less than three years into her career, she
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  Speaker 1: changed pathts again. Okay, no judgment there. You know, working
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  Speaker 1: in animal management for the RSPCA, and you know that
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  Speaker 1: sounds a lot less stressful to me because air traffic controller.
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  Speaker 2: No to much pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no. Now, her office was in the Manash City
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  Speaker 1: Council building and it was there that she met a
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  Speaker 1: council engineer named Simon Patterson. Now, Simon said he was
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  Speaker 1: attracted to her intelligence and humor, and after getting to
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  Speaker 1: know each other over coworker lunches and happy hours, the
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  Speaker 1: two begin to date. Okay, Now Aaron wasn't only catching
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  Speaker 1: feelings though, Okay. Around that time, she called her first
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  Speaker 1: charges after drunk driving into another car, fleeing the scene
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  Speaker 1: and speeding and having an unregistered car and having a
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  Speaker 1: blood alcohol level of point one four which is over
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  Speaker 1: twice the legal limit. Yike, But for some reason this
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  Speaker 1: only costs her one thousand dollars in fines. So I
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  Speaker 1: woant have known? Did she get a price break for
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  Speaker 1: breaking so many laws at once?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Her? She usual just like a little pokemon, like gotta
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  Speaker 2: collect them all, Like that is a lot of charges.
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  Speaker 2: That's a one time.
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  Speaker 1: That was a lot.
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  Speaker 2: She's a mess. Okay, she is a mess now. So
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  Speaker 2: Aaron and Simon got married in two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 2: Simon's cousin walked Aaron down the aisle as Aaron said,
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  Speaker 2: her parents were on vacation in Russia. It seems like
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  Speaker 2: she was estranged from her family to some extent, but
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  Speaker 2: not so much that she was disinherited. This same year
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  Speaker 2: of the wedding, Aaron began to receive payments from the
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  Speaker 2: estate of her paternal grandmother Aura, and she got a
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  Speaker 2: sum of two million dollars split into eight years of payments.
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  Speaker 2: Like hello, if I have excuse me, I need a minute,
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  Speaker 2: If I have any long lost millionaire relatives out there.
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  Speaker 2: Please please please put me on the list of your beneficiaries. Please,
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  Speaker 2: and thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I would appreciate that, and SAE for me. Whatever Lama
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  Speaker 1: just said to any of my relatives, you don't even
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  Speaker 1: have to like me. Yeah, don't even have to like me. So,
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  Speaker 1: my brother, you know you can put me on yours
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  Speaker 1: even though you don't like me.
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  Speaker 2: I also just saw that picture of Simon and like,
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  Speaker 2: I love it. That's a real smile. That's a real smile,
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  Speaker 2: right that is you know whatever made him smile like that,
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  Speaker 2: he actually really really meant it, So I hope it
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  Speaker 2: was good now, So naturally, Simon and Aaron quit their
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  Speaker 2: council jobs and traveled to Western Australia, hopping from town
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  Speaker 2: to town over the years. In early two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 2: and Perth, they had their first child, a son. Simon's parents,
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  Speaker 2: Don and Gail Patterson flew out to help their new parents.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron said it created a strong bond between her and
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  Speaker 2: her in laws. There's Gail in Don.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at that smile on Gail's face too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that. A bunch of happy people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Aaron isn't quite as happy as they do.
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  Speaker 2: No. Now, when Don and Gail flew home. The Pattersons
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  Speaker 2: and their new baby went on a road trip to
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  Speaker 2: Northern Australia. In November, Aaron had had enough and flew
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  Speaker 2: back to Perth, leaving Simon and the baby to drive
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  Speaker 2: home without her. She rented a cabin for herself and
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  Speaker 2: the baby, and Simon rented an RV to live in nearby.
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  Speaker 2: They reunited within a few months, though, But.
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  Speaker 1: What that is all strange to me? Why would a
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  Speaker 1: new mother leave their baby with the dad. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying men can't take care of their babies,
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  Speaker 1: but as a mom, I did not want to be
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  Speaker 1: without my newborn right yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now. Aaron then opened a second hand bookstore in Pemberton.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, Aaron's father passed away, though from cancer. Now.
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  Speaker 1: When Aaron became pregnant with her second child in twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: the family moved to be closer to Donna Gale, who
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  Speaker 1: lived in guys bless Me, cor Umburah in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Victoria I don't know, about an hour and a
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  Speaker 1: half southeast of Melbourne. Now. They bought a home and
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  Speaker 1: Lee and Gotta had a daughter, and Aaron settled into
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  Speaker 1: life as a stay at home mom in the rural
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  Speaker 1: Gipsland region. These words are hard tonight. Now. She had
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  Speaker 1: been an atheist, but after going to church with Simon's family,
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  Speaker 1: she began to attend church and Bible study with Simon
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  Speaker 1: and her in laws. Guys, that is shocking to me.
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  Speaker 1: You do not often hear of atheist changing. Does that
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  Speaker 1: make sense or I've never heard it to be common.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've heard of it more the other way.
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  Speaker 2: So you go to do things just to blend in
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  Speaker 2: a piece. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: So now, Simon's uncle, Ian Wilkinson, was the pastor at
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  Speaker 1: the church, so informed a relationship with him and his wife, Heather,
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  Speaker 1: which was Gail's sister. Now, they weren't super close, but
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  Speaker 1: they often chatted at church. I got together and did
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  Speaker 1: the little you know, chatty chat. Now Aaron applied to
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  Speaker 1: study nursing, okay, but she never started the course. She
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  Speaker 1: instead edited a local newsletter for a bit. But sadly,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like she never really found a new path
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  Speaker 1: other than being a mom. Yeah, and there's no shame
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  Speaker 1: in being a mom.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Now, over the years, Aaron and Simon
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  Speaker 2: established a pattern of separating and then getting back together.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, they formally split, making a financial agreement
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  Speaker 2: and sharing custody of their children. They remained friendly and
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  Speaker 2: even went on vacations together as a group, as I
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  Speaker 2: think most people should do if it's possible.
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  Speaker 1: I six say, if it is possible, you should.
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  Speaker 2: It should be your goal. But anyway, now, I can
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  Speaker 2: only imagine that she was feeling restless after years of
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  Speaker 2: moving frequently working in whatever field she fancied that week.
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  Speaker 2: She was now unemployed and living in a pretty remote area.
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  Speaker 2: So she did what any reasonable woman would do. She
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  Speaker 2: got into discussing true crime online. That's right, sound familiar
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  Speaker 2: to anybody? Oh no, that's right, bitches. She was just
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  Speaker 2: like us. This crazy be made friends just like us.
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  Speaker 2: Airy found friends and a Facebook group dedicated to the
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  Speaker 2: conviction of Kelly Lane, a talented water polo player and
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  Speaker 2: convicted baby murderer. Now, as it sometimes happened, the online
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  Speaker 2: group became friends despite living far away, being different ages
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  Speaker 2: and from different walks of life, and as their bond grew,
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  Speaker 2: they talked more. They talked about more than true crime,
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  Speaker 2: instead venting to each other about their lives. This doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem like familiar to me.
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  Speaker 1: Like, okay, Mike, PSA guys, PSA lovelies, besties. Please do
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  Speaker 1: not worry. Lama and I are perfectly normal, even though
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  Speaker 1: we love true crime and we make friends online. Okay, right,
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  Speaker 1: we are not her kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, we turn your honest in a heartbeat, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: and then stream your trial. Just let you know we would.
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  Speaker 1: Show up for that trial.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now. In twenty nineteen, Aaron's mother passed away, leaving Aaron
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  Speaker 1: and her sister to split their parents' estate. Despite their separation,
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  Speaker 1: the Pattersons became the only family that Aaron knew, but
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  Speaker 1: by twenty twenty one one, Aaron's relationship with Simon and
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  Speaker 1: her in laws became more strained. I'm sorry, guys, those
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  Speaker 1: are the sweetest looking little old people. Okay, right, they
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  Speaker 1: are just so cute. I'd never had a grandpa because
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  Speaker 1: my grandparents, you know, grandfather's. I'm like, he could have
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  Speaker 1: been a perfectly great little grandpa. Anyway. Over the next
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  Speaker 1: few years, she missed several family events or would only
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  Speaker 1: stop by briefly. Simon had a few bounts of illness
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  Speaker 1: over the years, and at one point had to move
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  Speaker 1: into her house to be nursed by her. They said
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  Speaker 1: this drove them even further apart because she resented his
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  Speaker 1: inability to help the family. Girl seriously, two things in
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  Speaker 1: particular sent Aaron over the edge in regards to the
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  Speaker 1: Patterson family. In November of twenty twenty too, Simon's accountant
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  Speaker 1: filed his tax return and marks his status as separated.
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  Speaker 2: The horror, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, the horror. And it was true they had been
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  Speaker 1: separated for years, guys, but that filing, Aaron would no
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  Speaker 1: longer receive the fifteen thousand dollars family tax benefit she'd
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  Speaker 1: be getting annually.
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  Speaker 2: Oh money, money, money, yeah. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Simon offered to try to revise his taxes to fix
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  Speaker 1: the issue, but Aaron told him that she would just
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  Speaker 1: have to file for child support instead, and as everybody knows,
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  Speaker 1: guess what happened after that. Simon said that the nature
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  Speaker 1: of their communication changed. Their chatty texts became purely functional,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes she didn't even reply to him at all,
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  Speaker 1: I mean now. The other big issue was Gil's seventieth
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  Speaker 1: birthday party in May of twenty twenty three. Aaron was
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  Speaker 1: not invited and was incredibly hurt. After mentioning it to Simon,
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  Speaker 1: he spoke to Don about it. Don was mortified and
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  Speaker 1: said he had truly intended to invite Aaron, and that
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  Speaker 1: both he and Gail had thought the other was inviting her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, it probably didn't help that Gail had been recovering
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: from about of.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Encephalitis, which is a brain infection. Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Now, the only thing I can say as a party
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: person is if you send out invitations like formal paper
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Wounds or Evi's, you could track you send them to.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: You don't have to rely on memory.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Just I mean, I feel like Aaron is just making
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: mountains out of mole hills.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: They agree to. But I could see why she would
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: be hurt, you know, since they.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Was just hanging out with them anyway.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: But she's so hurt because it wasn't her decision. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: didn't say she was right to be her.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: That's her problem. That is her problem, and she has
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a problem with that. So, speaking of mid July in
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, Aaron Patterson went to church and personally
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: invited Don, Gail, Simon, and Heather over for lunch. Later
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: in the month, Ian was preaching, so Heather told him
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: after church. The Wilkesons were very happy to be invited.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: They'd known Aarin for years but had never really gotten close,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and we're hoping to. Don and Gail Patterson also hoped
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that this was a step in a better direction for
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: their relationship after the recent party drama and some harsh
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: group chat messages. Simon, however, was not excited about the invitation,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and he told Aaron he wasn't sure if he could
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: make it, and she told him she had a health
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: concern to discuss and that he needed to be there.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I have so many thoughts now this
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: next part. I was impressed with it first, Okay. Aaron
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: turned to her online friends for advice and her lunch planning.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: She decided to make beef Wellington okay, which is a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: baked steak dish made out of beef and a mushroom
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: paste wrapped in a pastry. Guys, I've had it in
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: London and it was freaking amazing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Now, I have never had it, and I've always wanted
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to try.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I had never had it until me ANDBH went a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago to London, and I am too
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: scared to try to make it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: But I only know that Gordon Ramsey yells at people
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and makes them make it on Hell's kitchen like every
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: year that in scallops he gets a very worked up
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: over scalps and be Wellington.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Now her online friends would be like us. They gave
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: her a few tips and they joked about the price
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: of beef. Girl, the price of beef is even worse now.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: But she ended up buying smaller cuts and making individual
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Wellington's instead of a large one. What that's a lot
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of work. Yeah, I mean, I mean that is a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: lot of work that looks so good.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Well. On the evening before the lunch, Simon texted Aaron
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that he had decided not to attend the luncheon and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that she was welcome to call him if she wanted
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to talk about it. She texted back that she was
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: disappointed and hope he would change his mind. Is that
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it was important to her that their family be there.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: She said, I may not be able to host a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: lunch like this again for some time.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Poor pet.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: For me, how dramatic.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: That was a little dramatic. Now on Saturday, July twenty ninth,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and I'm going to just tell you
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I hate that she did this during my birthday month
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: because it just ruins July for some people. But Aaron
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: sent her two teenage children to the movies and greeted
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: her four guests. Now, Heather brought food fruit, Gail brought
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: an orange cake, which I have no idea what an
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: orange cake is, just so y'all know. I mean, is
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it the color orange? Does it taste orange? Anyway? Heather
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and Gale tried to help serve lunch, but Aaron insisted
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: they make themselves comfortable, as a good hostess does. She
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: served them beef Wellington alongside green beans and mashed potatoes,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: all on gray plates. Okay, Then she brought out her
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: own serving on an orange plate. Hm.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Hm okay, Now, dar tell me that this was a
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: court diagram. It was, wasn't it? Or did you make it?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Did you make it? Cappen does a lot of our
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: visuals for our shows, and she gets very creative.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Capin, do not tell me to have patience because it
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is one thing that my therapist and I are working on. Okay,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I'm working on it, but thank you for that gentle reminder. Now,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: they enjoyed their food, joking about how much they ate,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: but soon the conversation turned to Aaron's news. She told
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: them she had been diagnosed with ovarian cancer and asked
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: for advice on whether or not to tell her children.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: They prayed for her, and Aaron's son and a friend
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: came home unexpectedly, chatting with the guest before retreating to
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: play video games. Spite the tragic news, the guests left
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: in good spirits. This is triggering for me, but I'll
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: share it later.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Why yeah, wait, thank you on top X for this? Oh,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: thank you good?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, on top X, I have to tell you. Double
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: H heard me say something about on top and he goes,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about getting on top of? What
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: are you and mama doing? Are you all trying to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: get on top of a YouTube channel? I was like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I just do not ask questions. I was just talking
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: about one of our people. Okay. Now they hardly touched dessert,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and most of Gail's cake was left.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: With erin oh bit got to keep the cake.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Aaron proceeded to eat the entire cake by herself before
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: throwing it up. She later would say that that cake
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: saved her life.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: There you go, Terry, there's an orange cake.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But does it taste orange?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's why it's orange.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, why would you want to eat a ca. Okay, no,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I don't go ahead.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I just learned this year there was pineapple pie.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So pineapple pie.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently that's the thing. I never even knew that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I never knew that either. Now there's a pineapple upside
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: down cake. But there's ruple pie.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yes, now. Simon's parents called him the next
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: morning to tell him they were going to call an ambulance.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: They had both become sick overnight and were weak with
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: gas row and nitis like symptoms. Simon met them at
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the core umber of the hospital, where they shared a room,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: which is really nice. I think it's really sweet that
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: they got to share a room together. Right, pineapple pie
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: islam as nicknames? Stop it actually right now, it's fish biscuit.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there anyway. Dawn seemed to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: be doing much worse than Gail. His face was discolored
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: and he was distorted in pain. Despite their extreme discomfort,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: his parents told him about Aaron's cancer diagnosis and their
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: concern for her. Now. After seeing how ill his parents were,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Simon called Ian and Heather, but they didn't answer the phone.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: He drove to their home and later said that when
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Ian answered the door. He looked gray. He was invited
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: in to find Heather lying on the couch with vomit
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: on the floor next to her, and despite their resistance,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: he told them that he was taking them to the hospital.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: On the way there, though Heather mentioned how Aaron had
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: eaten from a different colored plate, they were turned away
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: by the Kurr Hospital, who said they were at capacity
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and sent them to the leon Gotha Hospital. I don't
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: know how far apart these are, but I mean normally here,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I was in Australia, but like
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: they would put them in an ambulance to the next hospital,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: not be like, hey, you got to drive these people
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: to the next one, right is that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: If you are not bleeding in obviously gunshots, stabbing, heart
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: attack symptoms. No, we would just tell you to drive
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: down the street.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's weird. They've offered to do that for me before.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you want to pay a six thousand
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: dollars bill you can.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. On the way, Heather again brought
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: up the matter of Aaron's plates, asking if Aaron was
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: short of crookery, which yuess crockery is a word for plates,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: it dishes.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: It's redisious.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I like that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: What I find fuddy about this? Doubleh n. I just
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: recently got new crockery. Every plate's a different color. He
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: ordered it because I had picked one color. He goes, No,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he goes, I decided, why do we want to be boring?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's only seven minutes away. Okay, because earlier
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it said that they were like in a rural area.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So seventeen minutes is still quite a drive.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but but okay.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Now, Heathern and Ian were treated by doctor Chris Webster
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and Lia and Gotha. They told him about their luncheon
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and he took blood samples and hooked them up to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: floods when he left for the evening. He thought the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: beef was to blame for the oldness fair Aaron complained
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: of diarrhea and stomach that day, but she wasn't so
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: sick that she couldn't take her son on a two
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: hour round trip drive to flying Lessons.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I know when I have diarrhea, that's definitely
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: what I want to do.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah. Now, she served her children beef
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Wellington leftovers for dinner that night, scraping off the pastry
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and mushroom paste since they didn't care for them. I mean,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Shenanigan's what kid doesn't like pastry? Don't even tell him
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: there's a mushroom paste.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, that was still I want so bad now.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Webster received a call around six thirty am
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the next morning that Ian and Heather had not improved,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: but had in fact worsened. After arriving at the hospital,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: he got a call from doctor Beth Morgan of the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Dandy Nung Hospital. Donnie Gail had been transferred there because
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it was a larger hospital closer to Melbourne. Okay, now,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: doctor Morgan let him know that don Gale had grossly
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: abnormal liver function tests and that they wondered if they
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: were suffering from death cap mushroom poisoning.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I just want to say this about Australia is that
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I appreciate their names of places. I mean, don Dinong
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: is fantastic to say. I mean, it's very I just
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I just admire that about them.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I love the Aussies.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I know, there's so much fun. I love it. Okay,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: now it's science break time. Oh my goodness, did.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: We not look at these before. My neck isn't even
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: close to that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it though I know things
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: all right. So, death cap mushrooms or Amanita philoy D's right,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: are the deadliest mushroom in the world. Ninety of fatal
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: mushroom poisonings globally are attributed to death cap mushrooms. Look,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: they don't look, they don't look scary. Are Are they
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: are the one?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yes? They are the ones that grow on the roots
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: of trees, almost always oak trees, and have a symbiotic
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: relationship with those tree roots. Okay, sexy as it sounds.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I just picked a couple of those after the last
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: rain thing because the baby goats were trying to eat
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: them and they were on our big oak tree.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: What did you do with them, Terry?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I throw them in the trash can?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And now that I know they're death cap mushrooms? Is
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: so GROLs still around? Can I sell them there?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we're not.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Are they? I need to now I got to make
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a note I remember when I'm sober. Are they deadly
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to pets and goa?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Probably? I don't know Goatskenita anything you know it's a
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: little bust. Okay, Now we are not really a science podcast,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: so I'm going to quote a science journal called Particle
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: here and they have to say the main toxin in
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: death caps is called alpha amminitin, which affects the liver
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and kidneys. It can take up to a day for
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the symptoms you get cramps, diarrhea, and vomiting of death
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: cap poisoning to appear. Those symptoms pass after a while,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: which can be misinterpreted as a sign of recovery. Oh
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: that's so great.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Great, So you get sick, you get better, right, and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: then it comes back to get you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's so much fun. I love that. But
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: if untreated, the toxin goes on to cause total liver
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and kidney failure, which kills ten to thirty percent of
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: people who ingest death caps. Those are not good odds,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: not good odds. Now. Months before the luncheon, the State
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: of Victoria's Health Department had issued a warning against foraging
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: for mushrooms, saying anyone who collects and consumes wild mushrooms
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: of unknown species is putting themselves at risk of potential
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: poisoning and serious illness to people just not know that
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: mushrooms are just like, don't fuck with mushrooms.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: No, but I have to tell you. Going mushroom hunting,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: foraging for them in Finland and the mossy areas, I
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: had so much fun. And the Chantilly mushrooms are really
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: really good.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe if you know what you're doing and look,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: but I trust that they know what you know. How
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: many people died throughout just so we know which mushrooms
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: we can eat. They're just eating them all at the place.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Somebody's dying, somebody's pooping, somebody's tripping balls. They do. Also,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I did not know.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Until this that you could die from mushrooms. I just
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: was always told do not get the mushrooms out of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the cow patties. No one ever told me you could
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: die from mushrooms that you find. Really no, I did
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: not know that. And we started. One of you brought
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: up this case. I want to say it was Capin,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: maybe it was you. I was like, mushrooms don't kill you,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh wait, somebody in Australia
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: just killed somebody with those. I really thought it was
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the ones that came from the cow patties and they
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: owe deed until we started doing all of this.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of not good mushrooms out there.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Do not they can't find mushrooms outside, do not ingest them? Don't? Okay,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: some do kill you, Terry. Now, this is just the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: deadliest s mushroom. That's not the only deadly mushroom. There
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: are lots of other not goodly mushrooms.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Well, good news. When I'm in Finland in a couple
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: of weeks, we do not have time to go foraging
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: for mushrooms the strip.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: So yes, Amos, Terry, we're gonna need you to get
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that for the side of the soundboard. Did you see that?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Amos says, I feel like the more you know sound
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: for when Terry's learned something new on the show. I say, yes, yes,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I can guess why I can do that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Now we're gonna okay, we're going to go back to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Lean Gotha Hospital now. Doctor Webster immediately changed the treatment
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: for Anne and Heather, trying to save their lives and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: arrange for them to be transferred to the Dandenong Hospital
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to receive specialist care alongside Doningale. As he was making
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the arrangements from the front desk, a woman walked up
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: to the plexiglass in front of him, complaining of gastre
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: tonight as it was Aaron Patterson.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: On a second, is this a doctor with a mullet.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has a mullet. I think there
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: there there. Maybe it's a mullet his Harry.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Shore, everywhere else, et cetera right here.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Doctor Webster told her that he feared she and her
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: guests all had life threatening poisoning and that she needed
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: immediate treatment, pausing to ask her where she had found
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the mushrooms. She replied, Woolworths, which is an Australian grocery store. Okay,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Woolworths in America was never a grocery store. Did anybody
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: have woolworst growing up?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: No? Okay, they were like a turtle girdle and yok
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: they were.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: They just had knickknacks and like fabrics and stuff.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: So turtles girdles and yo yos?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Is why tg and why was the woolworth where I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: lived growing up and we used to call it? Okay,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: turtle show yos? Okay, I'm going to just move.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: On shopping list. Turtles girdles and yoa.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: That's what we called it. Ryl If any of my
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: friends are on here, please help me, okay, just please
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: help me.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I love it. Well, okay, anyway, so
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: he left her to be seen by a nurse and
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: soon was told that she had refused care and left
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the hospital against medical advice. She had told the attending
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: nurse that she needed to make arrangements for her children
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and animals, despite their telling her it was unsafe for
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: her to drive. I mean, I don't know how this
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: is what you're like, Yes, this is exactly what I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: need to do right now while everyone I was having
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: lunch with is in a hospital and potentially dying. But
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I gotta some stuff to take care of now. Heather
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and Ian were taken away in ambulances, and doctor Webster
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: called Aaron three times, leading voicemails with increasing urgency. He
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: finally decided to call the police. This would be the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: first time the case was brought to the police. And
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: you guys, here's a clip of that phone call. Hello,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I want addressing at the police.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: So this is doctor Chris Webster calling from Lean and
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Gath Hospital and I have a concern regarding a patient
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: that presented here earlier, but has left the building and
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: is potentially exposed to a fatal toxin from mushroom poison.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Uh and I've tried several times to get hold of
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: her on her mobile phone before I get Alady for
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: my address.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: You need the place to attend doctor Christy.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So we'll should I give the hospital a dressle the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: address of the patient.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh my goodness, ived it is nine one one. Okay,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, it is zero zero zero, so it
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: is tripleue is what?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Trip blue? Now? Doctor Webster ask the police to go
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: to Aaron's home. See Rachel, I agree with you. No
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: sane white no sane woman. Where we're white pants? So sorry,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I just got a text that monkey Butt won her
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: volleyball game again.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yay monkey Butt cheers.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to skip the show one Thursday and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: go watcher.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So doctor Webster, being a great doctor, asked the Leaves
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: to go to Aaron's home and explain to them that
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: all of her guests were severely ill but she seemed fine. Now.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Before the police could reach it Aaron's home, she returned
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to the hospital. Aarin was seen by doctor Veronica Foot,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: who found her abdomen to be soft, and our heart
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: rates slightly elevated. I mean, same girl, same now. Her
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: blood test did not suggest that anything was seriously wrong.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just say, if you're going to pull
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: this kind of stunt, you need to eat a little
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: bit of the poison. Okay, just a little bit, just
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit right, this is a little bit now.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Docster Webster, having reviewed Aaron's file, asked her if her
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: children had eaten the beef Wellington, and she confirmed yes,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: they had eaten the leftovers. The doctors insisted that she
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: teared her children in for care immediately, but guys, she
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: didn't want to scare them by taking them to the hospital.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, ma'am. Everyone has clearly ingested the deadliest mushroom
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: and you're more worried about them being scared than possibly
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: dying your own children. Girl, Please come on, Oh she
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: is just.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: So suspicious, like flying to not put up red flag.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: She's just hanging them out everywhere.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Anyway, now during this time, so I
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: have this hair, you know how you have those hairs
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: that and you're like, I don't even know where this
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: one strand of hair is coming from. Uh huh, it's nine.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: It's the worst anyway, sorry guys. Now. During this time,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the police arrived at Aaron's home. Doctor Webster asked Aaron
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: if they could break in to retrieve Wellington leftovers, and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Aaron told him that they could find them in the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: trash outside. How convenient and not letting them in your.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Why don't you put them down the garbage disposal.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Well The police brought them to the hospital, where doctor
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Foot photographed the leftover pastry and mushrooms before having them
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: sent to be tested. Now, Aaron wanted to leave again,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: but was talked into being treated with ivy fluids in antibiotics.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: She was then transferred to the Monash Medical Center. Simon
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: picked up the children and brought them to the Monash
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: where they were observed overnight and showed no symptoms. So
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: that's good.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: That's good, I mean, thank god. This was when Simon
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: first had a chance to speak to Aaron in person.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: He asked her if she if she had dehydrated the
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: mushrooms for the Wellingtons. See, all this talk of mushrooms
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: had reminded him of something she had told him previously,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that she had done experiments with the children and where
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: she dried and ground up mushrooms and cooked them into
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: muffins to see how much she could use. Before they noticed.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: She told him no, she'd use store bop mushrooms. Now,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Aaron checked herself out of medical care again the following day.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I just want to say, mushrooms in muffins like that
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: sounds like muffin blasphemy to me, Like what is happening?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Not okay? And also who the hell does that with
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: their children? Anyway? Who does that? Nobody does that? Erin
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and is it verdict time yet? Because this I'm done.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: That's okay, you'll see.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Be quiet. I didn't do mushrooms, but I did chop
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: up green beans and I would put green beans into
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: spaghetti and different things because my kids would eat green beans.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Well, no shit, because you put him in spaghetti.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't know they would eat. They would eat
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the spaghetti not knowing they were in there. It was
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: when they saw them, They're like, I don't eat anything green.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Well they thought it was the parsley decoration on top.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I no, just no. As someone who is a very
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: picky eater, and you wonder why I have weird food phobias.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, maybe your mom did that stuff and
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you that's why you have.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Those maybe maybe now Anyway, while his parents, aunt and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: uncle were suffering in the hospital, Simon called a family
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: meeting in the hospital chapel because of course that's the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: best place to do that. There he dropped a bomb
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: on his relatives. Remember Simon's bout of illness in previous years, Well,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: he was pretty sh Aaron had been poisoning him. He
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: could not recall, or I'm sorry, he could recall for
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: specific occasions where he'd eaten food Aaron had prepared for
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: him that she did not share in and then became ill,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: at one point, falling into a coma and requiring surgery
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: surgery after eating her chicken curry. What now? The doctors
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: had never figured out what was wrong with him, and
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: when he told one he thought he was being poisoned,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: he was more or less told to be careful about
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: making accusations, and Simon apologized to his family members for
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: not warning everyone.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean people. We just need to listen to people. Okay,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: we should believe them until we can prove they're crazy.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: It might save some people.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: You know, how many and cases have you learned about
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: where they were. They've been poisoned for a long time,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. They go over the
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: emergency room and they get told go home, it's fine
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: over And that's what poisoners do. I don't just do
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: it one time. Yeah, it's never just one time. Oh
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that annoys me and n okay, I'll be honest. It's
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: also probably because he was.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: On them Saturday. They're like, no, the good news for
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you is I no longer do that because I do
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: not have kids in my house anymore. And both of
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: my grain kids eat green beans because they're told they're
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: special green beans.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: So see, all you had to do was say that
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: they were special, not but them in spaghetti.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: How does that to lie to them? Now? On August fourth,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: twenty three, Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson both passed away. Now.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Gail's final text message was to her her family's group chat,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: writing from her hospital bed, lots of love to you all.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Don was given a liver transplant, but he died one
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: day after Gail on August fifth.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: That's so sad.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Ann Wilkinson remained in hospital. He was the final lunch
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: guest fighting for his life and on that day, the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: police searched Aaron Patterson's home and seized her electronic devices.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: When they knocked on the door, she greeting them by
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: asking who died.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Classic erin Oh my goodness, Why would she say? Why
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: would you say that she's the worst? So she is
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: to me, she is like the grand Marshal of the
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Red Flag Parade.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Just okay, Well, Savage says, you just said, no, poisoners
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: do it just once. We're right, so many times it
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: takes more than just one time. Normally it's slow doses
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: over time. Aaron just couldn't wait for that.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: See that. And a lot of poisons not all of them,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: but a lot of them actually like watching it happen
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. It's this weird thing
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: that they get off on mm because they're the only
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: one in the know, and so they will spend months,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: even at year's poisoning somebody just to get them sick,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: and then increasing it because they feel like they're not
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: getting caught. They feel like they're smarter than doctors, and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: that they're basically playing god. It's Poisoners are fascinating people
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: to me, they really, because it takes he said.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: He was talking about by green bead spaghetti. Yeah, no,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I had kids for many years, so they were young.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: But just you know, both of my children love all
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: their vegetables now, so it worked.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: You gotta do what you gotta do with kids sometimes, right,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: that's right. Anyway, I do very much believe she was
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: poisoning Simon Mini. Absolutely wouldn't be surprised if she's poisoned
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: other people. Maybe not to Jet, but yeah, they are
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: very very interesting group of people, those poisoners.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: They are. And that is one reason. In the South,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: our other Southern friends, I say, one of the reasons
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I don't drink sweet tea is because somebody could put
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Anna freeze in that and you would never know because
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: anna freeze is sweet. They say it's very sweet, and
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it's very easy to hide in tea and make it sweet.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: But you know the thing about anna freeze is it's
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: very easy to tell that somebody has gotten an when
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: they die. If they do an autopsy, you can see it. Yeah, crystallizes.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Anyway. Now let's back to the story
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: speaking a poisoner. Let's get back to this one. Now. Obviously,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the police were watching Aaron's movements and that included one
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: small transaction from her checking account. A day after checking
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: herself out of the Minash Medical Center, Aaron had paid
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: a fee at the Kunwara transfer station, a local dump
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: and landfill. I'm sorry, Ozzy friends, if that's not how
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: you say it. Yes, what we got. At the police request,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: the manager pulled CCTV footage of Aaron there, and a
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: timely search yielded one black Sunbeam brand food dehydrator. Not
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: at all suspiciously, aren't not at all now? The police
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: formally interviewed Aaron, who still insisted that she had also
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: suffered from poisoning. She told them that she had purchased
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: button mushrooms at Woolworths and dried mushrooms at an Asian
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: grocery store in Melbourne, Okay. When asked if she owned
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: a food dehydrator, she said maybe she had owned one
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: years ago. Oh, I don't know. Maybe I've had when
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, erin now. Aaron also told the
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: police that she never had forged for mushrooms, and the
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: interview lasted about fifty minutes and Rachel earlier in chat
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: oh downdboard.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: That is not my soundboard.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Oh it's amusing to my sound is off.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Good job, Amos, because I'm like, I shut mine down
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: after so many people gave me crap.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Everybody loved it, I know.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: But you told me no more. Thank you, amos.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Oh No, Rachel and chat there had mentioned that her
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: police interview is very very interesting.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Now, a memorial service for Don and Gail
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Patterson was held at the end of August. About a
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: month later, on September twenty third, twenty twenty three, guys,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: we finally have a little good news to share in
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Wilkinson was released from the hospital after a liver transplant
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: in weeks spent in a coma. Now soon after his release,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: he held a memorial for Heather. In trying to cover
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: all of the minutia of this case, we may have
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: glossed over the impact that this crime had. As if
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one census Corumba had a population of
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: three thousand and eight one hundred and sixty nine and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: to lose three people all at once, that is shocking.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: That is huge, guys, that's huge. Away like that, Yeah,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: that's just huge. Now, hundreds of people attended the victim's memorials.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Don was a retired high school teacher and Gil had
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: worked in administration at the same school. My look at
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: that picture. Look at that picture. Now. Heather was involved
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: in her community as a pastor's wife, which I could
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: never be, and taught migrant women English in her free time. Now.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Karumba educator Andrea Lewis explained Heather was looking at a
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: group who are marginalized in the community in saying, I
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: can do something about that, and she did. As for
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: the three victims, Lewis said, I think they believed that
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: we all had greater missions or purpose beyond ourselves. We
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: had to just get out there and help others. We're
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: in a fortunate position and we had to go out
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: there and make things better for others, particularly young children.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Those are I'm sorry. The people who do those things
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: are just their saints in my eyes.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Agree.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: The guess who did not attend the memorial service, Aaron.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Of course she didn't. Of course she didn't. You know,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: they all sound like really wonderful and lovely people, and
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I really can't imagine the loss for the community and
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: what they felt. You know, they were very active members.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: This was a preacher and his wife, and oh that's heartbreaking, heartbreaking,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: all for nothing, you know, really, and thean for what
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: you know, all because fucking Aaron. Anyway, speaking of justice
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: is coming, Aaron Patterson was arrested on November two, twenty
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: twenty three, because guess well, she's not that fucking smart
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: after all, and charged with three counts of murder and
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: five counts of attempted murder, one for Ian and four
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: for Simon. Her lawyer did not apply for bail because
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: smart and strupid face good good Aaron got. Later, another
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: charge of attempted murder was added to account for Simon
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: being invited to the luncheon, but that charge was dropped
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: by prosecutors. I mean they had to drop charges sometimes,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: it just happened. You don't want to risk losing a
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: whole case, right telling something that you're not sure.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: And you can save it for later if you need to.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: If you need to, if you need to. Now. Eventually,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: all of the charges related to the previous poisonings of
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Simon Patterson were also dropped before Aaron's trial. Her lawyer
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: argued that combining the charges could prejudice a jury against her,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: and Supreme Court Justice Christopher Beale agreed, and again, that's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: fairly common it is.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So in April of just this year, okay, Aaron's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: trial begain. Patterson had requested the trial be moved to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: more Well rather than Melbourne, which was approved. Aarin was
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: transported two and a half hours every Monday and Friday
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: to spend her trial days in the cell at the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Morewell Police station and her weekends at a maximum security
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: prison in Melbourne.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I love that for her.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I got no problem with that anyone else.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: No, I love that for her. That is not a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: comfortable ride, I'm sure.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: No, I love it now. She and her attorney, Colin Mandy,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: would later complain about the condition and more well, you
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: know what, first of all, y'all asked to have the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: trial moved, and second of all she's in jail.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: It's jail, that's yeah. I love all of this for her,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: me too.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: This is.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Fantastic now unfortunately for us and those photos. I mean,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Simon is working on a podcast. Oh wow, Kaptain, I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: am giving you an assignment. Could you get the information,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: get his contact information. We would love to reach out
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: to him and when he starts this podcast, we would
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: love to help him promote that because he deserves some
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: good in his life agreed. So unfortunately for us, the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Victoria Supreme Court did not allow any recordings in court
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: because they wanted to ensure fairness. But due to the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: extremely high media interest in this trial, there was daily
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: in depth coverage. Okay, there was a daily lottery in
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: which six seats were reserved for the media every day
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: and an overflow room, which room was created for those
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: who could not fit. So you grew up Catholic like me,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: they put you in the cry room, is what it
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: basically is. Everyone was there, documentary crews, podcasters, authors. This
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: trial really captured the attention of Australia and the world.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: And guys, I know a lot of you are sitting
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: there going, yeah, it shouldn't be that big of a spectacle,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: but trials are important for us to see when we can,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: because it's just important. Lama can share more about that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: on Couch Court. But let's get into it and here's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: some of the evidence and arguments as they were presented
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: in Lama's opinion on why it's good to show trials.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, the main question in the trial was whether or
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: not Aaron intended to poison her guests. Okay, she did
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: not dispute the presence of the death cat mushrooms. No,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: you guys, she didn't. She maintained it was a terrible accident.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: The prosecution, however, presented Aaron's actions as very calculated.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, how's it an accident? If you bought them at Woolworm.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Well or the Asian know that it was somebody else's fault,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: not hers. She didn't know that they were going to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: be poisonous. H Now. Aaron's true crime friends testified remotely
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: that Aaron had complained many times about Simon and his
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: family to them. She told them that he wasn't she
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: was an atheist, and Simon's family had more or less
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: pressured her into raising the children Christian and sending them
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: to faith based school. She'd also said that her religion
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: meant she couldn't divorce Simon. But I don't know that's right.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Her friends were like, girl, we got the receipts, okay.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I like, guys, if anyone does that kind of stuff,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: you all have our permission to turn the receipts into
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: the police.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Now. In seizing Aaron's cell phone, the investigators found that
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: had been restored to factory settings four times between March
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: and August, including the day she turned it over to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: the police. You guys, your phone just can't randomly do that. Okay,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: you do that and also not suspicious at all. Who
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: factory resets their phone anyway, not unless you have to.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: And even then, I'm like, oh, it's just so much work.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I guess this is just my life now with my
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: buggy phone.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Now, because then you have to reinstall everything reset Who
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: has time for that?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: And guess what? Friends do that all you want? You're
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: still going to find your shit. It's not going to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: get rid of as much as you think it's going
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: to get rid of now. Surveillance footage and Facebook messages
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: also suggested that Aaron had another cell phone, because of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: course she did that she never turned over to the police. Interesting.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Interesting, now, I'm sorry, I'm laughing at tooth McCabe. I'm sorry,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I I that's just funny. So her cell phone data
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: showed that she had used an app called Iye Naturalists
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: to locate death cap mushrooms in Victoria, and cell phone
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: towers showed that she had travel to those locations after
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: reading the eye Naturalist post. I mean seriously. And also
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: she used being to find eye naturalists. So I'm gonna
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: go ahead and I'm gonna just count all of that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: as evidence against her. I don't know about you guys,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: but yes, yeah, yeah, Now it took several foraging trips
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: to collect a substantial amount of mushrooms, which I don't
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: understand because we grabbed a lot, but I don't know
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: how many any On one such trip to forage in Loach,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Aaron purchased the food dehydrator. Am I the only one
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that didn't know you could buy those for home use?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: What a food dehydrator? What do you mean? I didn't
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: know that.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Was the thing? Do do?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't do that for us, that's okay.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Your team deleted photos and her Google photos cash showed
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: mushrooms in the dehydrator in being weighed on scales. Dumb ass.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Now my college is Tom May. You might not know
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: him as Funky Tom, or you might know him as
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Funky Tom. He testified that the mushrooms and the photos
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: were consistent with death cat mushrooms to a high degree
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: of confidence.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Funky Tom, Man, I wish this was televised.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, here's a lot guy with.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: This guy's hair too. Look how long it is?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: In the back it is. Maybe it was the style me.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: I just it's twenty twenty.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Five, Okay. I have to tell you. In twenty twenty four,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I saw my twelve year old nephew rocking a Billy
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Ray Cyrus mullet. They are coming back in Texas.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: So oh wow, people keeping like leave your house, Lama.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: You guys are not giving me good reasons too.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going to just tell you I need someone.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: If you're with us over in the discord on the courtyard,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I need to know how many of you own a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: food dehydrator and why you need it, because I'm sitting
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: here literally going I don't understand that you.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Can dehydrate anything. That's how you make jerky.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: You can get buy the jerky at the store.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: You can, but it's expensive as shit. We just talked
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: about that last night. I know that you hunting, you
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: can make your own dear jerky, but people put fruit
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Okay. Now, the food dehydrator that was in the photos,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: and as we recall, was recovered from the dump. It
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: had Aaron's fingerprints on the outside and guess what it
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: had death cap toxins on the inside. Why she didn't
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: put something in the middle of it and catch it
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: on fire. I don't know now, dumb, dumb, And despite
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: her various stories of where she had purchased the mushrooms,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: testimony from a Health Department official, hold on, I gotta stop, Rachel.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: You just dehydrated apples in parsh yesterday. Yeah, didn't do
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I need to get one. I mean we just got
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: an air fryer this year, so maybe I need a
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: dehydrator anyway. The Health Department officials stated that it was
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: highly unlikely for deadly mushrooms to end up in a
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: commercial supply chain since they can't be cultivated. Okay, safe
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: way isn't out gathering your mushrooms at the base of
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: oak trees, guys. I'm sorry you're gonna have to go
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: to Whole Foods for that. I'm just kidding. Bezos. Do
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: not come for us.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: If you want the deathcat mushrooms, I can go get
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: them next time they grow up on my oak tree,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: and I can send them to somebody if they want
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: to test them.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that's legal.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is either. I am just stuck
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: on the fact that people are telling me a lot
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: of people, do you hip? Okay, I guess I'm living
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: under a rock.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: It's been around for a long time. I mean, we
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: don't have one, but that's because we don't really do shit.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: So but lots of people have them there. They're a thing.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: They're a thing.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: See, maybe instead of Lama learns about we should have
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: a Terry learns about too.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people that don't know
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: about food dehydrators. You're not the only person on earth,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: so don't worry about that now, you guys. If you've
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: heard of a food dehydrator, please hid the like button.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Let us know.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: All I know is I can hear discord blowing up
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: in my ear in the background. I'm assuming it's discord.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I keep hearing a beep, So I'm assuming it's discord.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Here a discord because I don't have it open.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Oh that's weird.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, so come on tell us more.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, sorry. So it seems Aaron had purposely harvested
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: the deadly mushrooms and prepared them to feed her guests
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: and anna, surprise to no one, her cancer diagnosis was
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: completely fabricated.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Because she is just so great, I said, I would
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: hold it. Guys, there is nothing worse than faking that
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: you have cancer as a cancer survivor. That to me
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: is worse than you serving deadly mushrooms to somebody. That
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: to me is worse because people do it to get money,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: to get sympathy, and shame on you. You deserve to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: go straight to hell.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Who was that on it?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: What that was?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: What is that supposed to be? I don't know, but
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: if that was, they can hear the discord beeps too.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, if that was supposed to be for Terry's rants,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: we can't hear that that often. But I'm sorry. That's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: just one that really gets to me.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: What a piece of shit, That's exactly because it's so
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: many people do it, and yeah, garbage people, that's too now,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Sweet Gale, Sweet Sweet Gale had kept records in her
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: calendar of days. Aaron told her she was having appointments
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: and biopsies, and guess what, none of those appointments were real. No, no,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Aaron had used her health to guilt people into attending
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: her lunch. Thankfully, though it didn't work on Simond. Now,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Aaron had made multiple purchases at Woolworths of pastry, mushrooms
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: and steak over six days, suggesting that she made two
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: versions of the meal. I mean, it's a hard dish
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: to make, so she probably fucked up the first one.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: To be quiet, I was.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Six to say. How many practices did she have that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: she gave away or threw in the trash?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Really? I mean, all those people on Hell's Kitchen who
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: are professional cooks usually can't make it, so you know
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: it is ultimate terrible scumbags. They all like Rachel scumbags,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: all of them. Now, that would explain also why she
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: ate from a different plate and didn't get sick, and
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: why she felt comfortable feeding leftovers to her children. Now,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: of course Aaron maintains she did get sick, but I'm sorry.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: All of the CCTV footage shown in this trial shows
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: that bitch in white pants, So forgive me for not
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: believing she was having diarrhea that she says she had, Like,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I don't ever wear white pants, not because I'm pooping
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: all the time. Is the minute that I do, I'm
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: either pooping, I'm either starting my lady time. I spilled
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: coffee like it attracts the badness of the universe. So
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I never wear white pants, and I'm seriously considering adding
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: crimes to fashion to her charges.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I agree, that should be.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Like who wears white pants? Oh my god, you got
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the diarrheas? Especially if only if only she would have
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: crabbed her pants, I would have laughed. Oh my god.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine us saying that on CCDB?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, but you know what, it would be something that
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: she would deserve in Kelly p Yes, we agree with
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: you and Rachel. That is absolutely horrific and it should
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: be a criminal charge.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: I think so it should be. Now we do need
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: to talk about how the prosecution showed a clip of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: her spending nine seconds in a gas station bathroom, which
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: was an amazing amount of time in this courtroom was
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: spent arguing about diarrhea. And I'll be honest, I'll be
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: very honest with you all. I'm very disappointed that we
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: didn't get to hear like the legal arguments about pooping, because,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I have loved that so much.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Take the ninth seconds. Nine seconds, guys, I have never
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: been in and out.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Nine seconds, not nine seconds. I mean, when it happened,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: it happens. Fast.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: But it happens fast, but it takes longer than nine seconds,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. Now. Also supporting the theory that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: she made separate batches of Wellington's was testimony from Camille Trong,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: a my cologist at the Royal Botanic Gardens Victoria. Trong
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: examined samples of the Wellington pastry and mushrooms from the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: outside trash under my groscope, and she found no trace
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: of death cap mushrooms, only field mushrooms. Thank goodness, she
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: did not do it to her kids. I mean, I've
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: got to find I gotta find the over lining somewhere.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: She didn't give it to her children. Now, Victoria's chief toxologist,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Dmitri Jaras Tumalus, did find death cap toxins in a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: different leftover sample that included beef. For what it's worth,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: the prosecution argued that Aaron had lied about serving her
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: children leftovers, but the children testified that they ate them,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: and there doesn't seem to be any proof that they
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: didn't because she bought a lot of stuff to make
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: different ones. But the defense countered all of this evidence
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: with the classic method of cell phone data doesn't prove anything, okay,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: And then they put their client on the stand. Guys,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: she testified for eight days. Eight days, and I don't
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: know who thought this was a good idea, and I
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: don't know why they would think it was a good idea.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Eight days. That is a long ass time to be
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: on the stand. That is not very often that a
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: defendant is on the stand for that mini day, like
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: hardly ever. And again I am super disappointed we didn't
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: get to see this trial. I'm very disappointed about it.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: And to our besties in Australia, looking at you, shorty,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: can you guys work on streaming trials, because I for one,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: am very interested in seeing how your legal system works.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: We're always watching ours, and I want to see how
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: other places that do their things.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: And we only even get on your time.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's only fair they wake up for our
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: crazy at time zones.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: We should do this wait for them.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I absolutely could. This would have been fantastic. And as
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Rachel says, she said, I watched someone who was in
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: court and they said that the poop talk was very serious.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: And that's my favorite thing about court is they have
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: to discuss some crazy things or or say some crazy things,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: like reading messages or stuff. They did go with such
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: a straight face, them reading sext texts, Oh, my god,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: are the best?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: You and I would never be asked to read those
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: on the stand unless they are ours, just saying our
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: facial expressions are eye roll. We could never be asked
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: to just be straight faced and read those.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: No, not at all at all, man, I would love
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: to see it's too bad, too bad. I mean, now,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: if somebody gets the transcripts of this trial and they
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: want us to reenact it, I will happily, happily do that.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Oh is someone going to take up that challenge?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: I will clear my already kind of clear schedule.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, your we schedule?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: I said, I will clear my already kind of.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Of like you know, we have all these new membership tiers.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Your schedule is not clear?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe now. Anyway, let's get back to what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Aaron had to say on the stand that she thought
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: it was worth talking about. Idiot, don't ever take the stand.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: For eight days?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: For eight days, do they ask her just every question
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: you could ask a person like how do you have
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: eight days? Where the questions and tests like what could
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: you possibly have to talk about for eight days? But
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: you know what she's a pathological liar, and so I
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: bet a lot of that was just having her just
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: few all her bullshit lines. Oh man, we'd have been
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: glorious to watch anyway. So this is what she had
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: to say. Her story was that she had extremely low
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: self esteem and that caused her to tell her in
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: laws that she had severe health issues because she was
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: too embarrassed to tell them she was going to have
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: gastric bypass surgery. Jesus now. Her scheduling gastric bypass also
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: ended up being a lie. The facility she named didn't
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: even offer that procedure, so miss liar, liar who lies.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: She denied telling her guests she had cancer, though Ian
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: and Simon had testified otherwise. She did admit to telling
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Gail about a fictional needle biopsy. She's just lying all
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: over it twice. But believe me now now and telling
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: the truth. Yeah, I just lie to old, nice church
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: people just for funsies. But I'm being very honest now.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: It's fine now for the trial. Her mushroom story was
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: she bought them fresh at Woolli's and also used a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: forrest mix from a Melbourne grocer that she had dried
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: to preserve earlier in the year, because I know that's
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: what I do. She believed that she had mixed some
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: of her foraged mushrooms into the ones she dried from
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: the grocer accidentally. It's my bad, she says. She threw
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: out the dehydrator after Simon asked her about it in
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: the hospital. Do it to anxiety, okay, ma'am.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it was truly an accident, wouldn't you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: have taken that dehydrator to the hospital or this would
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: have been me. I would have been like, oh my god,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: I think I did this, this, this, and this, here's this,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Please test it? Yeah, okay. Now in Cross Aaron denied
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: purposely harboring the deadly mushrooms and calculating fatal doses. But
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: she's a liar. Basically, she said this was all one
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: big oops, my bad oopsy day. Yeah, she denied looking
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: at eye naturalists. So she must have harvested the mushrooms
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: by accident, and then they got mixed into the grocer's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: mix by accident, and then by accident she served them
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: to her gas but not accidentally to herself and her children, Like,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: it wasn't that big of an accident.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Sorry, what horrible luck this poor innocent woman had.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Now, guys, this would have sent Lama
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: into pure joy and frustration because she talked for so
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: long that the judge accented the trial by two weeks. Okay,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Lama would have loved it, but also been frustrated.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine all the rants I would have on
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: when she was on there?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: For every one of them? Oh man, now, she had
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: that many denials to make.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Almost every piece of evidence and witness provided by the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: prosecution was brought up to and denied by Aaron in
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: her myopic testimony marathon of how many days again?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Eight days?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Eight days?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Now. Closing arguments were delivered mid June. The prosecution
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: argued that Patterson had used four key deceptions for cancer.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Claimed to get her guests to attend the lunch, the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: deliberate poisoning of her guest but not herself or her children,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: her pretending to have symptoms day after the lunch, all
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: while wearing white pants.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: In case you've forgotten, Terry, that was in all caps,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: all while wearing white pants.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: I wear white pants all the.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: Time when you're when you have diarrhea, though Terry no
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: that's that's diarrhea. No pull death cat mushroom diaryha I
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: won I bet that's not even like normal diarrhea.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and the cover up for the crime. Okay,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: I try so hard to give people the benefit of
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: the doubts. Sometimes I really try, as you see, because
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, Yeah, they cited more lies than
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: she had been caught in. Many handed them on a
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: platter from her eight days of testimony buffet.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So the defense are that there was reasonable
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: doubt that Patterson had accidentally used the mushrooms in her
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: cooking and had not intended to injure her guests. He
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: disputed the evidence of friction between Aaron and her in law,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: saying she was venting to friends, which, okay, fine, we
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: do that all the time. But I must be honest here, Okay.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: He urged the jury to reject Ian Wilkinson because you know,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: rejecting a freaking preacher. You're calling a preacher, a man
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: of God, a liar, sir.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Well, sometimes they lie, but he was not one that
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: we have seen any evidence, was a liar.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: It's a bold strategy. It's a bold Yeah, it's a
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: bold strategy, you know, he was the sole survivor. Yeah,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: to sit there and basically imply that they shouldn't listen
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: that guy. It is mind blowing, right, And he said
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: that Aaron's being searches for deadly mushrooms had been due
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: to idle curiosity and not malicious intent. And Okay, you
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: know I feel that part because I google all sorts
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: of things I shouldn't for this channel. But telling the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: jury to disregard the surviving witness is a bit too
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: much mander. Okay, that's that's not gonna go over. Well.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: I know you gotta try everything you can for your clients. Ethically,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: you have to. But I many things you don't mean
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I was saying, I will be googling what all deathly
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: mushrooms there are, but it's because we covered this and
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: I need to know.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Now. Twelve jurors were sequestered for about seven days to deliberate.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: On July seventh, twenty twenty five, they convicted Aaron Patterson
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: a three counts of murder in one count of attempted murder.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: She was remanded into custody pending sentencing. She was also
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: barred from selling her home so that any money down
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: the road, can go towards restitution if needed, which is
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: good because she had gotten you know, two million dollars.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I mean she had some money around there. In late August,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Aaron hurd victim impact statements, as we are lucky enough
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: to have a survivor. I would like to share some
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: of what Ian Wilkinson had to say at the hearing.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: This man is a better person than me. I just
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: need to say that I make an offer of forgiveness
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: to Aaron. I have no power or responsibility to forgive
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: harms done to others for the murders of Heather, Gale
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: and Don. Compelled to seek justice, However, I encourage Aaron
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: to receive my offer of forgiveness to those harms done
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: to me. With full confession. I bear her no ill will.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Now I am no longer Aaron Patterson's victim, and she
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: has become the victim of my kindness.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: God last, this is so good. Might drop right there
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: and like turn that around, yeah now. Anne and Heather's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: daughter Ruth highlighted the cruel path Aaron took by saying
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: there were multiple times she could have stopped, could have
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: canceled the planned helped medical staff change the outcome. Instead,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: at every stop of the way, she chose to follow through.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: That's right, numerous times, numerous times and no now last week,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: well ten days ago, on September eighth, Aaron Patterson was
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: sentenced to life in prison. Technically, she was given three
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: life sentences, one for each murder and twenty five additional
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: years for the attempted murder, all concurrently, despite the prosecution's request,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Justice Spield did give her a chance for parole after
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: a minimum period of thirty three years. That means Erin
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: will be eighty one years old before she can be
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: considered for parole. So suck on that.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Erin, I'm like, suck on that. I mean, I don'll
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: see a lot of hope for her. Hello eighties. Now
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: for reference, guys, only one woman has ever been sentenced
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: to life without parole in Australia, and it was an
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: abattoirs worker name and Catherine Knight, who took her home
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: with her. It might be something we need to revisit
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: because it is a lot, and I will tell you
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: it is a crazy crazy and we must we must
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: cover it in the new year. It is disturbing a
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: it is a lot because I'm familiar with that one.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: It's a lot so aaron sentence is a dramatic one,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: and in sentencing, Bill let Aaron know that he believed
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: the crown's witness testimony could be credible despite her claims. Basically,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: he was saying, we believe the survivor. Bitch.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Sorry right.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: The sentencing was recorded, though the only camera was on
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Justice Bial, but at least we can get a little
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: idea of what he had to say to Aaron. Now
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: it's a little long, but we had to include all
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: of those f bombs.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: I love this so much.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: Like you were scathing in your remarks about both Simon
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: and his parents, Don and Gale Patterson. Amongst other things,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: you derided your father in law's suggestion that you and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: Simon get together and pray for your children, commenting quote
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: this family, I swear to fucking God. You called them
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: quote a lost cause you wondered whether they had quote
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: any capacity for self reflection at all. You said quote
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: fuck them, and that you suspected, suspected the best thing
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: you could do was quote just to forget about all
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: of them and live your life. Your offending involved an
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: enormous betrayal of trust, Your victims were all your relatives
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: by marriage. More than that, they had all been good
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: to you and your children over many years, as you
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: acknowledged in your teenchmony. Not only did you cut short
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: three lives and cause lasting damage to Ian Wilkinson's health,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: thereby devastating the extended Patterson and Wilkinson families, you inflicted
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: untold suffering on your own children, whom you robbed of
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: their beloved grandparents.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm, good one, judge, good one. Now
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Aaron's old Facebook group no longer exist, but it's rumor
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: that it changed its name to keep Aaron Patterson behind bars,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: which sounds very much like something we would do. And
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put this out there. If there is
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: any of her former true crime friends that she is
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: in that group with who want to come and talk
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: about it, email us and come talk about it with us, because.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: On camera, off camera, on the downlow, we're here for it.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: We get it. We we we don't get it. We
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: haven't had any way to be a murderer yet. But
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: like that sense of betrayal that even those people must
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: have felt. Talk, I mean, we talk all of the.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Time, like we just put ourself in those shoes if
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: one of our lovelies or besties did something like that. Yeah,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: Right now, Ian Wilkinson is back behind the pulpit telling
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: his congregation that the path is a hard one and
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: you should know. And I want to end on a
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: clip of Ian speaking after the sentencing and just reminding
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: us that good people exist.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: Our lives and the life of our community depends on
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: the kindness of others. I'd like to encourage everybody to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 5: be kind to each other.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: You are such a good freaking man, and you are
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: you are well, you guys. That wraps up the show
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: for you here. Now we're going to do our closing thoughts,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: which is some of y'all's favorite time because that's when
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: we rant and rant and rant. I know, I want
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: to hug Yeah.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: I want to hug him as well.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: And right, good, good motion. Now, all right, so closing thoughts. Now,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: I am so glad that we covered this case because,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier at the beginning, is started around
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: the same time as Karen Reid and I remembered it starting.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: I think I even like read it like on our
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: first day or something while we were waiting on court.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Like letting people know that this was going on. But
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't get to keep up with it because everybody
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: knows Karen Reid was crazy great, So I'm so glad
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: we went back to see what all came out from that.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: And for someone who went through all this planning to
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: poison these people, she knew that it would point back
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: to her. But since she was such a compulsive and
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: pathological liar, she had to have truly believed she could
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: get away with it and talk herself out of it
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: like she had all the other times in her life.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. If you're a pathological liar, everyone
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: you know that you talk to knows that. Have you
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: have you ever encountered a for real pathological and cursive liar,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Like they just lie about shit that doesn't need to
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: be lied about. It's crazy. I hope many of you
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: have never come across these people, but I have, and
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: You can even have a picture of them doing that thing,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: a picture, and they will deny that it's.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: A night that has been tampered with, that has been
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: they Oh.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you guys, there are something else, but here
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: this is for you pathological liars. Everyone knows you're a lie. Okay,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: you're not actually convincing anybody of anything, especially the longer
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: they know you. They just don't tell you because they
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: don't want you to catch on that they don't know.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: And listen, you're not full of nobody. No one actually
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: respects or trusts you. Nobody, all right, they all everyone
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: knows you're a liar and that you're usually really bad,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: really really bad about it. And the only person really
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: believing your bullshit is you. And Aaron is probably sitting
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: in there believing her own bullshit every day and always will.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: That's just who she's. I mean, even earlier when we
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: talked about her upbringing, that's what she said happened, right,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: How can we believe her?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: How did we know she even told her parents she
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: was getting married that.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Day exactly exactly. I mean, her reputation at work was
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: that she was I mean, she was Scudder the Nutter.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: You know, that's how transparent these people people are. And
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: it's really it is a mental illness. I mean, I
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: don't know if there is like an actual diagnosis for that,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: but there is something seriously self agreed. And you know,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: thank God that Simon trusted his gut and didn't go
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: over there that day. So the children still have a
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: parent in their life because she was willing to take
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: their parent out, and that is just and for what
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: we still don't even know what the motive is.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was bad about a fifteen thousand dollars
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: tax nut, but that is the only thing that they
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: ever talked about that could possibly be a motivation. That
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: you were given two million dollars over eight year. Fifteen
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, I would think would be a drop in
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the bucket.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it's because she thought that she was
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: losing control of Simon. I think because he was ready
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: to move on and she was a very controlling, neurotic person,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: because those people usually are as well, you know, so,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: and how dare she how dare she try to ruin
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: Beef Wellington's you know, Chef Gordon Ramsay is probably furious
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: about this, and that the real Hell's kitchen was Aaron
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Patterson's all alone. That's right now, I'm supposed to pause
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: for six seconds for I love that. Thank you, Thank
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: you forducing me for uploading that to the stream yard
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: for us perfect. We're gonna use that so much make
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: sure it's on all of our show.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Else Oh my gosh, I have laughing so hard to
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, my little bow ties get in the way.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: So I did not put my closing thoughts in beforehand,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: because I have to be honest. I I think she's
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: a horrible person, and the fact that she killed these
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: three people, and to get them there to eat, she
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: lied about a health condition she didn't have, because do
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: you know how many people out there are scared to
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: tell their family members that they have this? How will
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: it affect them? It truly causes you to go down
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: a path of thought that you can't imagine until it
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: happens to you. And do you use that to get
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: people there to kill them? Yeah?
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: It's fucked, So it is.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: And then I stop and I think about Simon. He
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: loved her, and I can't help but think of the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: guilt he feels bringing her into his family, his children,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: his parents, all of that, And it makes me wonder.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: She must have been really good at gaslighting this shit
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: out of him because he loved her. That a smile
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: on his face. They say love is blind.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, gosh, you really don't want to
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: believe your partner is that you just don't. You you
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: just don't.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: But I want Simon to know. I hope his podcast
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: is extremely successful. And I want to tell everybody trust
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: your gut. If you had a feeling that something just
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: ain't right. You know what, at the end of the day,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: they might think you're an asshole. Would you rather be
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: dead or an asshole? It's true because because of him
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: trusting his gut, he is there to raise his children.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: And thank goodness, and I'm sure he does.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Ever of you picked another dark freaking case. Was this
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: you or Cap'ain?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: This was Captain's suggestion.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Actually, I kind of figured with the fungus among us
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: that it had to be Cap'in.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: Cappen Cavin was our researcher tonight or a round of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: A plus. Yes her Capin did look at a lovely
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: job and amazing.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: And for those of you that are over on the discord,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I will go and find the pictures of me foraging
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: for mushrooms my very first time. And now I am
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: going to message my boss tonight and say with a
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: link to this video and say when you took me?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't know you could go forage for mushrooms yourself.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: It was something else I didn't know you could do.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: How did we make sure I didn't get one of these?
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: We took them back to the hotel and for those
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: that we wanted, they cooked them up for us. The
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: other people took them home to cook. How did they
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: know that they weren't killing me? I?
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Naturalists? The app I guess did.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: They even have that? They grew up forging they could
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: look at the mushrooms, point them out, tell you where
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: to get them. So Captain, thank you, And you're right, guys.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: They're all dark, but some of them are really dark.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: Because now I'm gonna worry every time I eat a mushroom.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know. And as I said, poisoners
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: are very diabolical, and Aaron not only being a poisoner,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: but a pathological and compulsive liar die busio half levels. Yeah,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: for sure. Gotta be sure, all right, you guys, Before
• 1:44:05
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  Speaker 2: channel and they are filled with as many perks as
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  Speaker 2: we could fit in no joke. You guys like we
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  Speaker 2: mat how many person you do? Let's your use on Spiez's.
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  Speaker 1: Why we had to push from Monday to Wednesday, because
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  Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, what are y'all doing?
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing over here? Now? They range from
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine cents to twenty four ninety nine and all
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  Speaker 2: you got to do is click the join button and
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  Speaker 2: you can pick which level fits your budget. And if
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  Speaker 2: you're already a member but want to change your level,
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  Speaker 2: you go to the perks button and you can adjust
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  Speaker 2: your level status from there. Now, one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that the Lovely Lady and Gray was asking about is
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  Speaker 2: our members. We have a brand new show tomorrow night TMI,
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  Speaker 2: which stands for too Much Internet at nine pm Eastern,
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  Speaker 2: eight pm Central, And you, guys, let me tell you what. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be amazing. I cannot tell you how
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  Speaker 2: funny it is going to be. I've compiled everybody. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's so it's going to be so much fun. We
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  Speaker 2: cover dark shit every day, like NonStop. If we're a
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  Speaker 2: palate cleanser, we're researching, and this is just our fun
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  Speaker 2: show where we're cultivating all this crazy stuff we find
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  Speaker 2: on the Internet. No politics, guys, All right, nope, not,
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to see any of that because I
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  Speaker 2: know that shit's everywhere right now, but not here. No,
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  Speaker 2: we do fun internet stuff and it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: Terry myself elbow feet. That's right. He really does exist. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he really does exist. He's going to be on there
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow night, and we got Kapin and the Lovely Annie
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  Speaker 2: and that is for all of our members. So if
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  Speaker 2: you do the ninety nine cent level, guess what, you
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  Speaker 2: get to watch the show. And it's every Friday night
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  Speaker 2: for our members and the first Friday of every month
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  Speaker 2: for our for the public to see. So I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 2: You guys do not want to miss this. You don't
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  Speaker 2: want to miss it. It's gonna be so good.
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  Speaker 1: And we do have a new merch idea eighties, not
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  Speaker 1: a sandwich eighties.
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  Speaker 2: It's a NUTSTANDI but yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: So I am very excited.
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  Speaker 2: And the cool thing about this show, guys, is that
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  Speaker 2: the host, with the exception of the showrunner, which will
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  Speaker 2: be me this week, will change in it out, but
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  Speaker 2: nobody knows what the other people are going to do
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  Speaker 2: or present or say at all. So what they're sharing
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  Speaker 2: with you for the first time is what everybody else
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  Speaker 2: on the show is gonna here for the first time too,
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  Speaker 2: So it's all genuine, it's all fun, it's bizarre, It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say, eighties, we did not leave
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  Speaker 1: you out. The first Friday of every month is for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, that's right. Oh and Sam just gifted
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  Speaker 2: a show. Thank you, Sam. I love that. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for your.
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  Speaker 1: So I am very excited. And one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited because we don't know what each other is doing.
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  Speaker 1: But the look on Mama's face with Mike, because she
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  Speaker 1: knows what's going on the look on her face has
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  Speaker 1: made it all worthwhile for me has made it all worthwhile.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be great. All right, you guys, Well, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get off here. Is there anything you'd like to say
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  Speaker 2: before we go? Or sign out? Terry?
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  Speaker 1: I just want to remind you all please be safe.
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  Speaker 1: The world is crazy right now. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: negative stuff out there. Just remember we can be the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: I can love people, that's right, we can love each other.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget to add to your shopping list Turtles, girdles
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  Speaker 2: and yo Yo's. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I put the link to TG and why in the
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  Speaker 1: chat earlier it was a discount dime store. Like that's
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  Speaker 1: where I got my first.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, Turtles, girtles and young.
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  Speaker 1: And y But yes, Turtles, girtles and Yoya, that is
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  Speaker 1: where I got my training Brah so much.
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  Speaker 2: I love it so much. Well, on that note, thank
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  Speaker 2: you everyone for listening tonight and supporting us until next time.
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  Speaker 2: Take care of your mind, take care of each other,
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  Speaker 2: and never stop asking the hard questions. Now, everyone, go
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  Speaker 2: forth and be amazing by guys.