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Clean Up on Aisle Guilty · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 2: If you're walking a dog, you have to clean up
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  Speaker 2: God Intended, That's right, America's Court and Judge Gino is
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  Speaker 1: What in the world, man, Guys, it doesn't get better.
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  Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of news here, but when
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  Speaker 2: Judge Mathis gets canceled.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important. You gotta you gotta, you gotta tough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was my boy. I love Judge Mathis.
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  Speaker 1: He was your boy.
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  Speaker 2: and we only have probably ten thousand cases backlogged means
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  Speaker 2: couple hundred years. And that that I think is the
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  Speaker 1: That's the Travis Travis that I.
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  Speaker 2: Robots eventually will run out of Judge Mathis cases.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Dan, Uh, do you want to go first year
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  Speaker 1: on me?
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  Speaker 2: To go? I think your case has got a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more meat on the bone. So I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 2: first like a little appetizer, and then you're gonna go second.
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  Speaker 1: Give it to me, baby, That's what we're gonna do,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan and Larkin is suing George Sales for six hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars in poop fines.
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  Speaker 1: So well they're they're poop fines. Fine. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you want for. You could get fine for poo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you buckle up for this neighborhood. It's a neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: you'd never want to live in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, So.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Is he's older, he's gonna suit on. He's business savvy,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like. And he received two separate citations from
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  Speaker 2: his gated community, totally six hundred dollars. He tells jud
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  Speaker 2: Ross about his two beautiful border collies.
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  Speaker 1: Are they beautiful?
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  Speaker 2: Sasha and Ali?
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  Speaker 1: See a picture?
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  Speaker 2: He shows a picture and he says they're beautiful. And
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  Speaker 2: then Ross is a big dog fan, I think because
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  Speaker 2: Ross is like, give me that picture. And as he
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  Speaker 2: does that, Jonathan's like, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. And
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  Speaker 2: Ross sees the dogs. Uh and Ross, cause are the
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  Speaker 2: dogs hugging each other? And and Jonathan, they're like pause
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  Speaker 2: up on each other's kind of shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: They're both pause up.
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  Speaker 2: They're both paws up and a kind of yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's tough. I got it, but you get it. And
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  Speaker 2: uh and and he says yes, yes, uh and then uh.
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  Speaker 2: For some reason, even though his name is Jonathan Larkin, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Ross says you're killing me Lair. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why he says you're killing me. Lair Is that short
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  Speaker 2: for Larkin, Jonathan Larkin or his deputy Thomas's first name Lair?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, But he says you're killing me Layir.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how that's appropriate there, but that's what
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  Speaker 2: he says.
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  Speaker 1: You're killing me, Lar, You're killing me Laar.
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  Speaker 2: The guy's names Jonathan, you're killing me Lair what I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, man, maybe it's Lair. Maybe w W Thomas Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: Larry Larry Thomas.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna say it's Larry Toms. So Jonathan then says,
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  Speaker 2: when my wife and I divorced, she got the dog
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  Speaker 2: and and.
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  Speaker 1: Like to see the dogs get involved.
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  Speaker 2: And I hate that and he said, yes, you got
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  Speaker 2: more than the dog too. It's a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a joke, I guess. And he said, so I chose
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  Speaker 2: an apartment complex. It was really nice, but also allowed
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  Speaker 2: me to have dogs, so that would keep me from
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  Speaker 2: being happy and being alone, which was kind of like
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  Speaker 2: weird that he threw that out there. And then uh,
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  Speaker 2: He's like, and then I didn't want my dog to
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  Speaker 2: be alone, so I got my dog a dog, and
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  Speaker 2: so they both everyone was there all together before and
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  Speaker 2: uh yeah, oh yeah, listen the next thing. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you got three and it's the thing and uh and
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  Speaker 2: then he said, so I hired George over here to uh,
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  Speaker 2: because my dogs immediately just took a liking to George,
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  Speaker 2: and I was really impressed with George.
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  Speaker 1: So George, George is the other dog.
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  Speaker 2: George is not the other dog. George is the dog walker. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he said, I said hired George.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't George. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So George is very like wavy blonde hair, looks like
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  Speaker 2: he's confused, and also looks like he might be twelve
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  Speaker 2: years old, but he's not.
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  Speaker 1: He's an adult.
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  Speaker 2: So Ross is like, so this is your business, and
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  Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, it's my business. I started when I
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  Speaker 2: was fifteen years old. I've been doing it for eight years.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy started walking dogs at eight, at fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: and by twenty three he's turned into a full fledged business.
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  Speaker 2: Ross is very impressed. He goes, yes, sir, I've done
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  Speaker 2: a lot of research into dog care and dog health.
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  Speaker 2: I know how to do this job like a professional,
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  Speaker 2: not just as a teenager like I used.
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  Speaker 1: To be amazing. That's what he said. That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not a kid. That's not a kid anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So Ross is like, so, in eight years, nobody taught
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  Speaker 2: you that cleaning up the poop is part of the job,
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  Speaker 2: Like that is about like dog care, Like you didn't
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  Speaker 2: understand that. And George's like, no, I understand that for
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  Speaker 2: most of my clients, Like I pick up the poop.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I do for most of the client He is,
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  Speaker 1: so why didn't you do that for ol Sashinale.
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  Speaker 2: Here he goes, well, I'm a private contractor and I
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  Speaker 2: have a contract here, and Kevin Ross is like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: immediately just like salivating, like, oh, you've got a contract.
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  Speaker 2: You know how Kevin Ross loves a contract private. Oh
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  Speaker 2: did someone say contract?
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  Speaker 1: Classic private contractor dog walking?
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  Speaker 2: So he slips in the contract and it is a
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  Speaker 2: six page Yeah, it's a six page dog walking contract.
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  Speaker 2: And Ross is loving it. He goes, it's a six
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  Speaker 2: page contract. He goes, yeah, I'm a private contractor. And
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  Speaker 2: then George says with a straight face, and he is
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  Speaker 2: not trying to make a joke. He goes, as a
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  Speaker 2: private contractor, I have to be careful so I don't
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  Speaker 2: get sued. There you go, right, and Ross just Ross
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  Speaker 2: looks at him, realizes he's not joking, and he goes
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  Speaker 2: and he throws the contract in the air and he goes, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: just like that. It was a great moment. So then
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  Speaker 2: Ross tries to collect himself. He is the best and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this about him, but
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  Speaker 2: just a foreign consent, foreign right. So he gets the
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  Speaker 2: contract and he's let's get done a business. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: it's really all about the last page of this contract.
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  Speaker 2: So the last page of the contract in the end,
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  Speaker 2: there are three different boxes to be checked. The first
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  Speaker 2: box is day daily walks Monday through Friday. That box
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  Speaker 2: is checked by the owner. The next box is daily
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  Speaker 2: potty breaks Monday through Friday, including pet waste removal. That
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  Speaker 2: box is not checked, not checked. And then the last
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  Speaker 2: one is other services. That box is not checked.
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  Speaker 1: Does he go through the contract with the clients when
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  Speaker 1: they're signing the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. We don't get that however, So Jonathan
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  Speaker 2: he just he just checked daily walked Monday through Friday.
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  Speaker 2: That's what and I both agree that he checked it.
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  Speaker 2: So then Jonathan says, this is where we have the
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  Speaker 2: issue the contract. The option that says potty breaks is
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  Speaker 2: you go and you let my dog out in the backyard.
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  Speaker 2: And then he says, uh, they do a quick WHIPTI do.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he says Kevin, Ross Is like, we're in
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  Speaker 2: a court of laws. Uh the quick whipty do?
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  Speaker 1: And that's it. Uh, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't expect you to be the will the court stenographer
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  Speaker 2: read it back to me.
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  Speaker 1: Whippti do? Uh? So let him out for a quick whip?
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  Speaker 2: He do, so, he goes, I don't expect you to
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  Speaker 2: clean up in my backyard. That's not whatever. Like I
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  Speaker 2: didn't need that. That's not the service I need. That
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  Speaker 2: is a service for people who just they're gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: At work all day. You wanted to come home. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to walk my dog every day.
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  Speaker 2: I am under the assumption when I check daily dog walks,
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  Speaker 2: then a dog walk includes pet removal. I see and
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  Speaker 2: and and Ross does this big thing about assumptions, like
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  Speaker 2: this is the problem with assuming we've got issues. Do
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  Speaker 2: you assume, George that when you're walking the dog petlaves?
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  Speaker 2: He goes, I don't, because I charged for the bags.
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  Speaker 2: I charged two dollars a week for the bags to
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  Speaker 2: remove remove the petla's removal. He goes, Okay, is that
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  Speaker 2: in the contract? And he says no, it's not in
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  Speaker 2: the contract. So we're back to this problem.
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  Speaker 1: Pages. Yeah, we'll get there.
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  Speaker 2: So Jonathan's like, look, Mike, my dogs are really happy
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  Speaker 2: with George. To me, when you walk a dog, whatever
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  Speaker 2: the dog does on their walk, the walker is respect
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  Speaker 2: for cleaning that up. That is just a part of
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  Speaker 2: a dog walk.
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  Speaker 3: To me.
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  Speaker 2: When I check a daily walk, that's included. Sure, unless
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  Speaker 2: otherwise noted, that's included to me. So George says, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of my clients are high end clients. And when
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  Speaker 2: you find out about this apartment complex, you're gonna agree
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  Speaker 2: with this. A lot of my clients are hiding clients
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  Speaker 2: in certain neighborhoods. They actually hire someone that does all
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  Speaker 2: of that wow on the street, on the sidewalks in
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  Speaker 2: the streets. And if I'm not requested to do that,
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  Speaker 2: then I don't do it. And someone requested, I tell
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  Speaker 2: them it's a two dollars fee, and then I do it.
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  Speaker 1: So Jonathan Larkin is like, but it's.
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  Speaker 2: A dog walk. Ross thing goes Wait a minute, you
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  Speaker 2: ready for this? How do we get to a point
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  Speaker 2: where your dog was fined? Did someone like nark on you?
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  Speaker 2: Were they watching and knew it was your dogs and
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  Speaker 2: they got and they got fined?
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  Speaker 1: How does this happen?
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  Speaker 2: Buckle up, Jonathan says, well, in our apartment complex, when
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  Speaker 2: you arrive, your dogs get their DNA taken.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: So in this gated community in Tempe, Arizona, when you
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  Speaker 2: pay your pet deposit, they swab your dog's cheeks and
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  Speaker 2: if there is any waste anywhere in the complex, they
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  Speaker 2: take time out of their busy, busy apartment complex h
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  Speaker 2: o a day to test the poop against the dog's DNA.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a dog poop CSI.
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  Speaker 2: They, by the way, would watch, would one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: watch the puns would be through the roof. If David Caruso,
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  Speaker 2: if Gil Grissom are out there ripping off sunglasses and
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  Speaker 2: dog poop csiks, that's good. Thanks anyway, Uh, they swab
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  Speaker 2: the dog's DNA, they test it against the poop, and
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  Speaker 2: if it's your dog, they find you three hundred bus
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  Speaker 2: three hundred big ones. So did you ever so, then
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  Speaker 2: Ross says to Jonathan, did you ever communicate that to
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  Speaker 2: mister sales? Jonathan says, no, I didn't tell him, But
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  Speaker 2: if I had, Like, why would he need to know that?
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  Speaker 2: Once again, it's a dog walk, That's what he keeps
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  Speaker 2: going back to. He doesn't need to know that If
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  Speaker 2: you look on the second box, it says potty breaks
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  Speaker 2: and waist clean up in my backyard. I don't need
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  Speaker 2: him to clean up waste in my backyard. He's not
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  Speaker 2: doing that. A dog walk includes that, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: So he gets these tickets. He's like, look, I don't
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  Speaker 2: dispute the contract. The contract is great, George is great.
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  Speaker 2: If you're walking a dog, you have to clean up
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  Speaker 2: after the dog. That's all I'm saying. That's why I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to pay this. It's not about the money.
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  Speaker 2: It's about a kid who's doing a good job learning
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  Speaker 2: a lesson. That's what it's about. Jonathan or Kevin Ross
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  Speaker 2: ready to rule.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this is tough. It's a tough one. It's a
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  Speaker 1: tough one because I do agree that that's part of
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  Speaker 1: the deal with walking dogs as you clean your stuff.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm walking and my dog takes a takes a
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  Speaker 1: dumpy in someone's yard and I and I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a bag, I'll go back to my house, grab a bag,
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  Speaker 1: and then go back out.
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  Speaker 2: If I forget a bag, I always hope they don't
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  Speaker 2: the little strip in between the sidewalk and the road,
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  Speaker 2: because that's the one where I'm lay that's a tough break.
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  Speaker 2: But if it's in your yard, I'm definitely going to
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  Speaker 2: clean it, and it's your yard, then it's.
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  Speaker 1: All of course at that point. Whatever, My problem with
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  Speaker 1: this contract is so you check the dog walk thing.
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  Speaker 1: The next line is potty breaks with with wasate removal.
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  Speaker 1: Now those are two different things, right I I to
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  Speaker 1: to not explain that to a client that you have
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  Speaker 1: to check this in order for me to even care
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  Speaker 1: about your going potty on a walk is ludicrous. You
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  Speaker 1: want you explain that because that's not I would have
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  Speaker 1: assumed that potty break with a waste removal is what
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  Speaker 1: it is, which is taking them back back out there
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  Speaker 1: picking up the poop. Correct. Why is there not an
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  Speaker 1: option for there to be a dog walk? Dog walk
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  Speaker 1: with waste removal, that's how you do that. To make
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  Speaker 1: it clear, the contract is clearly confusing, and I I
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  Speaker 1: tend to agree with the the play plaintiff in this case,
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  Speaker 1: but justice as justice is not a foreign concept or
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  Speaker 1: as a contract to play here, and uh, that's tough.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the contract is like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it's six pages though, and it doesn't clearly lay out
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the back not explain. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: the waste bag situation, how much it costs. You know what,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's getting any I don't think that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I think he's getting the money. You
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  Speaker 1: think he is. I myself into it. Plane is getting
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  Speaker 1: the money. Plane is getting the money. I think he
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  Speaker 1: deserves it.
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  Speaker 2: You got you walked through it all and you got
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  Speaker 2: there and you're right. Hey, what Ross says is what
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  Speaker 2: we have here is a lack of communication with a
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  Speaker 2: six page contract. Yeah, and that's funny, but it's also true.
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  Speaker 2: In your mind you think it's one way. In your mind,
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  Speaker 2: you think it's the other way. Who bears the burden
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  Speaker 2: for making sure the contract is clear? George immediately says
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  Speaker 2: I do, And Kevin Ross looks at him and goes,
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  Speaker 2: Boom goes the dynamoe.
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  Speaker 1: He says, boom goes the day does.
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  Speaker 2: It's on you. I have to judge in favor of
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  Speaker 2: the plaintiff. I'm really impressed with you, young man. This
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  Speaker 2: is a good lesson to learn. But you've got to
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  Speaker 2: make that clear. You've got to pay the six hundred dollars.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: A long contract doesn't equal a good contract.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: We learned something about the gavel today. We have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fun here.
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  Speaker 1: I always talk about how imp what it is to
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  Speaker 1: bring evidence and contracts to the court. Right, but but
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: your evidence in your contract is only as good as
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: your evidence paper is. Exactly are you ready to go
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  Speaker 1: to Judge Gino's court? Born per more ready than you are,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: so personal injury court. Let's meet Maxine Davidson suing Vivian Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: Okay for fifteen thousand and medical expenses and sixty five
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  Speaker 1: thousand in emotional distress for a total of eighty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Low boy, A low boy, got it for a high case.
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  Speaker 1: Maxine Davidson is a housekeeper. She has lots of regular clients.
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  Speaker 1: You know housekeepers. They clean, they do different familiar chores, tasks,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. One of her clients recommends her to Vivian Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: Vivian Campbell hires her and employs her for a few years. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we're a few years into this joint. She hires
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  Speaker 1: her and she does housekeeping stuff, which apparently also includes
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  Speaker 1: occasionally watching her kids, which I didn't know as part
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  Speaker 1: of the door. And Maxine does say that passive aggressively. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Vivian says that historically Maxine did a very good job.
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  Speaker 1: She was happy with her. That's why she, you know,
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  Speaker 1: had the job for three years. So one day Vivian
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: asked Maxine to change the contact paper in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: which I didn't know was a thing you needed to change.
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  Speaker 1: It's the paper that's like in the drawers and stuff
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know gets dirty. I don't know that the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole point of the contact I'm confused here, and it's
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  Speaker 2: rich people problem. That's a rich people So yes, change
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  Speaker 2: it in.
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  Speaker 1: The drawers and oh oh boy, as a something.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I can imagine is either something spilled
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  Speaker 4: and the contact paper got wrecked or this.
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  Speaker 1: Is a full full monty job though change all the
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  Speaker 1: contact or.
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  Speaker 4: The person just decided they were they want like a
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  Speaker 4: new color, a new color.
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  Speaker 1: It's a rich people problem. Either way, it's richville.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: If you've got the same housekeeper for three years, is.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Probably that's true. That's true. So that's that's the job
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: at hand today, is to change the contact paper in
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the In the kitchen, there is there's like different drawers
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and then there's a large like shelfing unit. Like think
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: about this. It's like up against the wall, shelves going
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: all the way up. Think I got it, okay, I don't.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Just trying to paint the picture for the people at home.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: So she's going all the way up to the ceiling. Okay,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: So this shelfing unit goes all the way up Florida
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: the ceiling. That's exactly right, and so, uh, she is
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: busting through it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: She's busting through it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of shelves, a lot of drawers, and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: she decized she brought her lunch that day. But she decides,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip lunch. I'm gonna try to work st
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: keep keep going through, keep going through. So she gets
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to the top shelf and she's been told mi CASA's soucasa,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: So yes, okay, which means you can have some food.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Welcome to my house, also your house. So she sees
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: some cookies on the top shelf. She's working and she's
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: on the doing the top and uh, since she skipped lunch,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: she decides she's diving and she's going deepat cookies.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: On the empty stomach and goes multiples.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: So Gino asks Vivian if she is allowed to eat
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: her food, and she says of course, open the fridge,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: have at it. So Maxine eats three cookies and starts
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to feel a little off. Starts to feel a little
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: light headed. She's not sure if it's just because she
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: skipped lunch, but she is light headed. She ends up
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: falling off the stool onto the floor. Her ankle is
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: hurting quite badly. She gets up, feels naous, nauseous. I'm astic,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: feels feels nauseous and ends up throwing up. So Gino
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: asks Vivian if having her housekeeper falled down, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Gena always cares like, do you are you bothers? I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: know I'm of law, but I would you know if
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it makes you sad? So she as Vivian, hey, knowing
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that your housekeeper fell down on the job, does that
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: concern you? Does that bother you at all? And she
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: said sure, but you need to know that the first year,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: first time that she came to work for us, she
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: made it clear that she can't clean anything up high.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: She's deathly afraid of heights. So no ladders, no big stools,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: nothing like that. Gino says, so why would she up
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: so high? And she says, well, I asked you to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: change the contact paper, assuming that she would do it
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: at eye level, because one she's afraid of height, and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: two why would I care about the contact paper higher
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: than where I can see from the floor.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Rich people such a rich people problem.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: So she says, I knew that she was afraid of heights,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna get on the stool, and I didn't
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: care about the top one.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Reinstruct her to not do the top one.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: She did not say that, and Maxine says, all the money,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Maxine says, I'm very thorough with my job. So Maxine
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: brings a picture of the shelves the plaza. We do
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: go to the Plaska. She's scooters on over there and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: we see where the cookies would be on the shelf.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: She says, over the course of about fifteen minutes, I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: ate three cookies, felt weird, thought I might be having
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a stroke. They argue a bit about whether or not
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: she should have labeled the cookies. Yeah, if you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Have weed cookies out on your counter.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Not on the counter, on the top shelf, top shelf,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: top shelf, so you would need to see the cookies,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: get some sort of But she knows that food is
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it's a goat. Food is a food is a goat.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I never talked about weat cookies before in the house.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: We'll get to all of this, okay, So uh, Vivian
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: is like, what do I say, cannabis cookies keep out?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I put them on the high shelf. There were even
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: cookies on a lower shelf that were rather ready ready.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And will it really to be to be eaten? What
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: does she say about that? What does say about that?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: She's I don't know, she doesn't acknowledge whether or not
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that is true. I never thought to tell her about
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the cookies because I knew she was afraid of heights.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And Maxine says, you keep saying that, but it's not true.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Max Maxine is like, I never I never said that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I was afraid of heights. What She just throws that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: out there and we don't get any more of that. Wow,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: But apparently there's a dispute whether or not she is
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: afraid of heights. Whatever. So Maxine falls down, calls her son,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: to which Vivian says, well, if it was so bad,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: he should have called nine to one one whatever. Ruth
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: he's there, and he comes up, this guy looks like
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: he might be high, brings her to the hospital and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he's there and he's like, I show up. She's clearly
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: having a tough time. I'm fairly certain she's high. Gino
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: asks if she uh if if he had to take
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: her to a for a monkey break. The crowd loves that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: One loves a good monkey break joke. He's with it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: He says, no, I didn't do that, understands that's exactly right.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: He gives Gino the toxic cology toxicology report showing that
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: she did have a high level of marijuana in her system. Yeah. Uh,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Gino says. If asks if she's ever used marijuana before,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and I was gonna come as a surprise. She's just
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: shocked that he would even have to ask that question.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I've never taken it before. I would never I would
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: never do that. I would never get high. And Vivian laughing, says,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: well you did that. Yeah, says so do you think
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: this is funny?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It is kind of funny, and she says, I mean yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: He says it could have been really serious, and she's like, well,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: it could have been, but it wasn't. And she says
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that she knew that there was marijuana in my house.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And Maxine says, I would have never taken the job
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: had I known. Now here's here are some hump here
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: are some humdingers. Here are you ready for this? Vivian
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: says there's a bong that she cleans under every single week.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Maxine says, I thought it was a vase with some
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: dirty water.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Vivian says, I have a cookbook on my counter called
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Baking with Pots, and Maxine says, there are new pots
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: on the market that you bake in. She says, you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: thought that she was talking about like bacon bacon bean
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: with the crock bacon beans and weenies And she says, yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I thought we were talking about scene just dumb. She's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: playing dumb. Yes, clearly, Gino as me. Gino, She's embarrassed.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: She says, yes, my friends and my son all know
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that I've done drugs. Gino says, this seems like it's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: more emotional than physical, and she says yes, and Gino
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is ready to rule. You have to give her all
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the money.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And I know that there's a lot of pain and
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: suffering there, or emotional distress or whatever, but you literally
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the cleaning lady was doing her job and following the rules,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and all of the injury and all of the fallout
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: is one of This is not a fifty to fifty
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: sixty forty. And Gino never rules like I rule, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: it drives me nuts. I don't think he's a good judge,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I said, I said it. I don't think he's a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: good judge. If we're talking about like splitting up whose
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: fault this is? This is one hundred percent the fault
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: of the home owner, not the house cleaner.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Give her all eighty grand? All right. Gino explains how
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: things are ruled in personal injury court, which is, you
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: have to be at faults over fifty percent correct to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: get any money. He explains that you need to label drugs,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: so need to do that. You need to keep people safe,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: even if you think that they should know. You need
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to label. Hey, this is it's this is. He says poison,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: which I would argue, marijuana's not poison. But that's neither
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: here nor there. We're not here to talk about that poison.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But he says to Maxine, you brought your lunch. Your
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: lunch was in the fridge. Nobody cares. Gino, hold on,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you brought your lunch. It was in the fridge. You
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: chose to skip lunch and instead of eating your lunch
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: go to the top shelf and eat cookies.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: For eating habits or none of his business, her eating
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: habits or none of his.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: He would argue that it is shouldn't just eat in
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: your lune.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: This is absurd, this is stupid. Judge Gino, you're wrong,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: says I want to see your degree.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The verdict is that the defendant is fifty one percent
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: at fault. So he is going to give the maxine.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Maxine for it's bad. It's bad. It's bad, Gina, it's bad.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: You know, and I know we both know it. I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: think Brian disagrees. Brian, do you disagree? Yeah, with Gino's ruling.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: What come on, come on over the mic, Brian.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Brian, there's no like the woman says, you can eat
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: whatever you want in my house. Yeah, and she says,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: get the contact paper on the on the shelves.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: But she didn't say get the contact paper on the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: height that's top.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: She said you need to replace all the contact paper.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I would okay, and then she and then she you
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: can meet whatever you want. Cookies are out not labeled.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: The part that the stickler is where She says that
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: they didn't really come to a conclusion on the height thing.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: If she's afraid of heights, then but not.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: In your law, Brian.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: The law she literally said, you can eat whatever you want,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and you need to change all the contact paper.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: You know, the law of changing of being afraid of heights.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: There is a thing though, whereas things are so obvious
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and in front of you, where there's a bong and
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: there's a cookie here, but a cookie way up there,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and you're choosing to go if you're afraid of heights
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and there are cookies that are more accessible.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: She doesn't admit she's afraid of heights. There is not
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: admissible in a court of law. The heights thing is.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Out, Brian.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I think you're wrong, just on all fronts here.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I can't believe, Brian.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: But if you are afraid of heights, would you assume
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: that your employer is like, I'm gonna remember that and
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: cater all of my request.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: To for years three years, yeah, years, yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But she never admitted she was afraid of heights in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the courtroom. But that is not admissible. It is It
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: isn't part of anything. There's nothing, there's no proof that
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: she's afraid of heights. None, she doesn't, does she does?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: She denies it in the courtroom.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: This is doesn't feel right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: It's just I don't give a craps. She can eat
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: whatever food she wants. She was told to clean the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: contact to change the contact paper. She ate cookies that
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: were left out. This is one the liability of the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: person that knows the house.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: What do we do? She fell, That's how she got here. Yes,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: after talking three week cookies. I actually do think that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Gino got this one right.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: That is absurd. Ever is way off here, listen, is
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: way off here.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: We should leave, We should storm out in protests, find
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: some weed brownies.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Not really, that's right. We're out of here. We're taking
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the roads, the gavels. You guys, you're out of order.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: This whole court, that's his whole corn. You can't handle
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the truth. Yeah, we gabbled, everybody.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: We did. This could be the end of the whole thing.
• 29:05
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• 29:07
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