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Tony Gurule: Truth About Israel, Islam, Palestine, And U.S. Colleges · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazo.
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  Hey friends and family in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in for sharing the podcast.
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  I want to bring in our guest today.
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  I love this brother in Christ, Tony Garoule of Radical Truth, the website is RadicalTruth.net.
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  He's a busy man, he really focuses on apologetics, on evangelism and I would consider him an
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  expert on Islam and how to witness to Muslims and so much more, but Tony, good to see your
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  brother.
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  Thank you so much for being with us today.
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  Thanks so much, Dave.
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  It's always great to be with you in your audience.
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  Yes.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you for taking out a conference recently and something you shared before we got on the
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  area here was very interesting to me as far as how many people are starting to get into
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  apologetics.
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  Well, what's that about?
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  Where were you and what happened?
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  Yeah, well, just let me let everyone know who's isn't aware that apologetics doesn't
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  mean that we're apologizing for being Christians.
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  Apologetics is based on first Peter 315, which says always be prepared to give it a fence
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  for the reason and the hope that lies within you, but do it with gentleness and respect.
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  So in apologetics conferences, what we do is we give evidence for Christianity, evidence
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  to defend the Christian worldview, lodging using logic and reason.
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  And I was as I said, a apologetics conference last week and it was great.
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  It's always a blessing to be events and to equip the found as we continue to reach the
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  loss at the same time when we're outside the church, but basically I spoke twice at an
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  apologetics conference and the first talk that I gave, the room was about half full.
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  And that was on Islam and the new, there's a brand new presentation called what Muslims
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  need to know.
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  Actually, it's what Christians need to know as well as far as the latest cutting edge
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  archeological, historical and so on evidence that's destroying the traditional story of
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  Islam.
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  I would have liked to see that room full because that just means that's many more Christians
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  who are interested in getting the gospel to Muslims.
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  But the second talk that I gave Dave, it became standing room only.
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  And that talk was called why Christianity hard questions and real answers.
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  And in that, I talk about a lot of different hot topics that come up when you're talking
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  with skeptics and atheists and agnostics and all other non-Christians as well.
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  And you're the beginning when people were still pouring in, I asked everyone, raise your
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  hand if this is the first apologetics that you've ever, a apologetics conference that
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  you've ever been to and everyone except two people raised their hand.
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  So that was encouraging that more and more people, more Christians, I should say, are getting
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  into apologetics.
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  Because you figured the more you share your faith, the more you're going to hear rebuttals
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  and questions from people.
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  And you may not know that it's called apologetics, but you need to have answers to give to people
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  to let them know that Christianity is a reasonable faith based on evidence.
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  It's not blind faith.
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  And that's what people usually think is they say, oh, an atheist might say, oh, I have evidence,
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  you don't.
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  To have faith as if evidence is the opposite of faith, but no, the opposite of faith is
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  unbelief.
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  The opposite of evidence is blind faith, basically.
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  So basically Christianity is a reasonable faith based on evidence.
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  And as Christians are learning more about that, they're getting more excited about that.
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  And I tell people that I know a lot of evangelists because evangelism was the first niche of ministry
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  that I got into when I received that gospel track from a total stranger 20 years ago.
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  But when I got involved in street evangelism and open air preaching and all of that, I heard
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  the rebuttals and questions from people that I didn't know was called apologetics, but
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  I knew I need to have answers to give to people.
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  After I got into Bible college and started focusing on apologetics, then I realized there's
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  a whole lot of apologists out there too.
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  And the thing is Dave, and this is a, I'm just thinking about all the evangelists and
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  apologists that I know.
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  It seems on average evangelists are a lot more excited about apologetics than apologists
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  are about evangelism.
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  And Christians need to be doing both.
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  It doesn't matter if you want to call yourself an evangelical apologetic evangelist or evangelical
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  apologists, we just need to be proclaiming the gospel and defending the faith when necessary.
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  You know, what you shared, it's really encouraging to me in many ways, but I've been writing
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  about the silent church generally for over a decade, longer than that.
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  And it's encouraging to me that more people showed up for that conference on apologetics
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  because that means they want to learn how to respond, meaning they do want to be ready
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  to give an answer for the hope that they have in Christ.
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  And they probably are going to be maybe looking for those conversations.
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  And that's where we all have to do better as the church, at least in America.
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  We've been lukewarm for way too long, silent on important issues for way too long.
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  So anyway, Tony, that really is encouraging to me.
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  One of the things we wanted to talk about today was Israel has been a big topic, obviously.
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  If you're a biblical Christian, Israel should be on your top priority list as far as supporting
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  Israel, understanding the times, Bible prophecy.
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  But what we've seen since last October 7 in the demonic attack by Hamas, on American
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  soil, Tony Guruley, that's been one of the disturbing things, not surprising to me,
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  but disturbing.
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  When I say not surprising, you're probably not surprised either because you and I and
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  others that we rub elbows with, so to speak, we understand the environment of American
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  Christianity, the biblical illiteracy, we understand the culture, we understand the
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  K through 12 miseducation, indoctrination center that will send kids to these universities
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  to already be social justice, Marxists or activists or anti-Israel, anti-Christian, of course,
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  they're taught that, they're programmed.
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  So when they get there, and now they hear these talking points on Palestine, this
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  is no surprise.
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  So your thoughts on that before we dive into some articles?
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  Yeah, as I showed with you before, we started the show as well, Dave.
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  When I first saw all these different rages going on, which we're seeing that term being
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  cute in all of these articles, a lot of these protests going on, for my flesh, I was
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  like, okay, I've never seen a higher concentration of morons in my life.
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  But then I thought, Lord, I know you love these people.
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  I know that your son died for these people.
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  I know that is your will that they come to repentance, turn from their sin and put their
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  trust in Christ, your son.
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  And I thought about, this is what I thought next day.
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  I thought, okay, if there are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims throughout the world who
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  are following the lies of Islam, which are approximately 1400 years old, why should
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  we be surprised when we see a bunch of young, naive, demoralized, impressionable young
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  people going to these different protests about Palestine, quote, unquote, when that propaganda
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  is less than 100 years old, we shouldn't be surprised at all.
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  As I've mentioned in some of our past interviews, this propaganda of Palestine and the term Palestinian
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  being a synonym for Muslim is less than 100 years old, because the father of Palestinian
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  nationalism was Hajami Al Hussaini, who was a disciple of Hassan Albana who created the
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  Muslim Brotherhood in 1928.
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  Hajami Al Hussaini was also a fan of Hitler and actually met with Hitler and it was his
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  goal to have gas chambers built in the Middle East.
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  He was a Muslim Nazi and the grand moofty of Jerusalem.
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  He was also the uncle of Yasser Arafat.
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  So no surprise about why Palestinian nowadays that term is referring to Muslim when it
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  didn't.
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  And in one of my slides in this new presentation, I let people know that the term that Palestine
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  quote, unquote existed approximately 400 years before Muhammad was even born.
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  Now if Islam began with Muhammad and Palestine existed 400 years before he was born, there's
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  a problem there, especially for all these people running around thinking that Palestinian
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  means Arab or Palestinian more specifically means Muslim.
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  Around the year AD 130, there was a Jewish revolt and the Roman emperor Hadrian renamed this
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  area, which was known as Judea and Galilee and Samaria as a read in the Bible.
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  He renamed this territory, Palestine out of spite for the Jews.
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  Now if Muslims didn't even exist, Palestine wasn't in reference to Muslims.
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  What was in reference to the Philistines, the Philistines are who fought against the Israelites,
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  the Jews in the Old Testament.
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  So Palestine existed before Muhammad did.
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  Now 2000 years later, we're looking at these people who are holding up signs, who I can
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  tell you Dave right now, 80% of these kids don't even know what this is about, kind of
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  like a new story that I know that we have planned to talk about.
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  She asked her friend, oh, why are we here again?
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  And her friend's like, I wish I was more educated.
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  That's the case I guarantee you with about 80% of these people out here, okay?
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  About 95% of the people out there have no clue about the true origin of the word Palestine
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  that I just explained, right? So what does that leave?
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  That leaves about 5% of people who are out there and who are those 5% of people?
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  These are those paid actors.
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  Those are the people out there who are trying to stir things up,
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  trying to get this going, Islamists, communists, etc., a better known Dave as community organizers.
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  Yeah. By the way, did you see in the videos on some of these Ivy League campuses or other
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  college campuses where there's matching all these the same tents are lined up like dozens of the
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  same exact, it's like that doesn't look too organic to me, right? It's like, come on,
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  this is planned. It's well-funded by the left. And I thank you so much for revisiting that
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  history about Hadrian and where Palestine comes from. I mean, wasn't Goliath a Philistine too,
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  by the way? Anyway, it's interesting.
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  Yeah. Dave, a lot of these kids, again, that they're out there, they're doing this,
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  they don't even know what they're doing, why they're doing it. They're trying to be part of
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  something bigger than themselves. Part of the group. Just like after 9-11, there are people who
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  became Muslim because that's what was in the news. To them, it was better to be part of the group
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  that's hated or whatever than to not be known at all. It's the same thing after certain people
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  in the West became Muslims after October 7th. Why? Because it's a hot topic. And there's people
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  who are trying to be part of something bigger than themselves. And that's what we're always
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  pointing people to the gospel because you're looking to people, places, and things in this world
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  to be fulfilled. And how can that happen when you were created by an infinite being to know,
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  have? So if people want to be part of something bigger than themselves, then they should repent,
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  turn from their sin, put their trust in Christ and become a child of God because he's the creator
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  of the heavens and the earth and the universe and this world that we live in, which is fallen.
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  And that's why we see all that's happening in it. By the way, we need to take a brief pause.
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  We're with Tony Garouli of Radical Truth. I want to mention that article that you referred to,
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  a student protester, it's on your website, at NYU, New York University, appears unaware. Why she's
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  even there at the protest. And it says, as it often happens, young progressives will flock to
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  a protest or cause without understanding all the details. They just know that all their friends
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  on the left are doing it. Therefore, it must be a good cause. That tells us that they were trained
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  and discipled well as social justice activists by the K through 12
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  indoctrination system in America. That's just my two cents. We'll be right back with Tony Garouli.
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  support and shout out to you. So Tony, there's an article at the Washington Examiner that goes hand
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  in hand with one on your website on Speaker Mike Johnson. He faced chance and booze when he went to,
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  I think it was at Columbia University, but pro-Palestinian protesters tried to drown him out
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  in the Republican speech, as I should say, the Republicans that were speaking there. And they were
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  trying to get the president of Columbia to resign due to the anti-Semitism on campus. And you have
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  an article saying, Speaker Johnson visits Columbia, pro-Hamas, protesters are full of rage,
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  but don't know what they're talking about. Share a little bit more about that.
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  As I said before, Dave, a lot of these students are out there not knowing why they're out there.
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  Maybe it's because, I mean, I saw some videos. I'm not sure if you saw this either day, but
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  in this might have been Texas, I believe. But there's numerous different, there's numerous
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  different news stories on our site about these protests taking place on different campuses.
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  And again, it's being stirred up by the paid actors, by the Islamists who are trying to push the
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  Islamic worldview portion of this, which is, and includes, that Palestinian,
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  referring to Muslim, it's that they're oppressed. But I have a number of videos that are on my
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  Bitshu channel created by a guy who did a lot of in-depth documentaries in Palestine. Now,
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  not just the areas that you see about, you know, you talk about people saying these things are
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  going on in Gaza, the Palestinian territories, that people are starving and all these other things.
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  People need to ask themselves, what is the reason for that? Who has the money? Because what is
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  the lifestyle like of a lot of the people who live in there who aren't in the places that are
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  filmed for the proper, again, the purposes? So again, I would point people to the three or four
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  documentaries on Palestine that are on our Bitshu channel and our other channels as well. But what
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  Johnson is talking about here is the fact that many of these young people, they do have the right
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  to protest. It's not just about this, they have the right to process about anything they want to
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  protest about. But the thing is, is that people need to realize, and especially these young people,
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  that when they start to break laws in this protest, well, then it's no longer a protest and it's no
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  longer legal. There's a video that I saw, it was just yesterday, where these students are trying
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  to push the police back out of this building that they pretty much took over and are trying to
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  control. And they're, one of them is hitting, got one that's like a big like five gallon water,
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  plastic water bottles, that they're starting to hit police with and stuff. So in certain states,
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  you're going to have police who are actually cracking down on this and other states, they're just
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  going to let people do whatever they're doing, just like during the BLM and Antifa and all that
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  stuff. And it's the same, same mindset of just rebellion and just another topic to be distracted
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  by based on all that's going on in the world. Yes. And it shades of the Black Lives Matter Global
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  Network Foundation protests when lawlessness rained in our city streets for at least that whole
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  summer, a couple of years ago. But so there's another article over at the Washington Times,
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  Kerry Pickett wrote one that said GOP senators are urging Biden to mobilize the national guard
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  to protect Jewish college students. So thank you to senators Josh Hawley and Tom Cotton.
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  And those are just two, but you've got several on your website, Tony and the one about Speaker
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  Johnson is there. People can will find that and read that a little bit more. It's really fascinating.
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  Go ahead. Yeah. Another one I'm trying to think of the guy's name, but he basically came out and
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  said he told basically these liberal colleges that you need to quell these out of hand protests,
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  you're actually going to lose federal funding. So we'll see what happens with that. Yes, that may
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  have been Rand Paul, but don't quote me on that. But there were some, yeah, some senators and some
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  that they're really trying to say, how far are we going to let this go? Okay. So let me just ask you
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  so we got headlines. Columbia University extends deadline for student anti-Semitic encampment
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  to disperse. In other words, they're not going to force them to disperse. They're giving them
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  more time over at Princeton University students. They're preparing to hold an encampment and they
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  have a list of demands. Tony over at Princeton Harvard students ignore warnings, pitching tents and
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  Harvard yard and CBS and others covered that. Now let's go over to an article on your website and
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  contrast what's happening in these Ivy League schools with Texas. This is awesome. Texas state
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  troopers lay down the law forcefully disperse pro Hamas protesters at the University of Texas
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  Austin. Very interesting, interesting to me, as you said, Tony, they are different states,
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  different universities handling it different ways, your thoughts. Well, basically I said people
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  have the right to protest and that's one of the freedoms that people have in America that they
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  wouldn't have in other countries. Look what happens in Iran when the Iranians basically rise up
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  against the regime, well then they are persecuted by the police even though they're Iranians or even
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  though they're Muslims or whatever. Here in America people have the freedom and a lot of people
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  who are coming to America want American freedom because America has a freedom that is not available
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  anywhere else in the world and that's why Ronald Reagan said if we lose freedom here there's
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  nowhere else to escape to. It's the last stand on earth. So people have the right to protest but
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  they have to do it peacefully and not break laws while they're doing it. Now our job as Christians
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  is to get the truth to these people. Dave, the Harvard, there's different universities that you
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  just named. Those were founded by Christians for the purpose of teaching the Bible. So look how far
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  we've fallen. They were founded by Christians and look what's happening there now. We have
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  godless young people who are even if they're not a lot of them aren't Muslims but they're
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  following for the Islamic propaganda of the Islamic worldview not even knowing the doctrine of
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  Fittra that every person's born Muslim but just a short term Islamic history of Palestinian means
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  Muslim that all this territory used to belong to Muslims and that was stolen by Jews and so on.
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  I've told people before episode 36 of our TV show and podcast it's called Israel of Palestine
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  which is it and that will give people the true history of this territory because it was part of
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  the Ottoman Empire and when that fell that was given over to the British to administer and then
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  they decided to start the state of Israel because guess what Jews were driven out of that area
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  between biblical times and Islamic expansion so the state of Israel was a place for Jews to go to.
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  Now in our presentations including my newest one I have a world map of Israel but everything that
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  surrounds Israel because there are 58 countries Islamic countries part of the OIC the organization
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  of his Islamic cooperation surrounding Israel now when you get a bird's eye view or even further
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  out technically because you can see all of Africa in the Middle East when you get that type of view
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  when you see how small Israel is we have to ask ourselves if it was all about land couldn't any of
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  these 58 Islamic countries to say hey Palestinian slash Muslims come here because we're going to give
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  you a whole bunch of land no it's not about land it's about Islamic Jew hatred which began with
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  Muhammad himself yeah so people need to know that it's about hatred of the people it's not about
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  this little tiny piece of land because if it was about land they could be given land by a ton of
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  different countries there's even a couple of countries in South America that belong to the OIC
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  they are bigger than the Palestinian territories they could give land to the Muslims but the thing is
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  is that we need to quit doing Muslims a favor and acting as if Palestinian means Muslim because it
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  doesn't right a Palestinian a Palestinian the true Palestinian and that day this is something
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  else that happened to the apologetics conference I met a Jew this girl sure she's from Ukraine
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  she had family who died in the Holocaust she just recently repented and put her trust in Christ
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  so she's a messianic Jew now and I asked her I said has anyone ever told you or what would you say
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  if I told you that you are the true Palestinian and she said that would be wild and I told her
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  about Hadrian renaming this territory Palestinian and that Palestinians were anyone who was born
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  and living in that land because in the early 1900s Jews reclaimed the name Palestinian for themselves
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  because they were driven out so there was Arab Palestinians there was Jewish Palestinians there
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  was other people who were Palestinians because it was only referring to people who was born and living
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  in that land when Jews went back to that area they paid money for the territories that they were
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  living in and as more Jews came there were more Muslims came there too and again the propaganda that
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  Palestinian means Muslim and that Palestine is stolen territory is less than 100 years old because
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  people don't need to go back 100 years they need to go back 2000 years and if they don't want to go
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  back 2000 years at least go back more than 100 because 100 is where the Islamic propaganda began
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  so Tony to get some of those programs you mentioned do you just go to radicaltruth.net and then click
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  a hover over videos is that the best way to get to it yeah you can go to any of our video channels
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  and just find the sermon called what is Islam who is a law and what is the Christian response
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  with the Israel Palestine update because that will include some of that however this brand new
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  presentation that I just gave it and apologize conference called what Muslims need to know that will
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  soon be available on video and audio it's not yet but that has some of the most cutting-edge
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  information about the lies of Islam that people need to know about so another thing that it
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  confuses a lot of people Tony here in America that we have been giving at least since the Obama
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  administration billions of dollars to Iran correct me I what does Iran IRA and what does that
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  stand for again is that Islamic Republic right Iran is basically mostly Shia where Saudi Arabia is
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  mostly Sunni so they're all Muslims they all have the goal of having the world under Islamic law
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  but Sunnis and Shias hate each other because of their differing opinion on who the true
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  successors of Muhammad were so Sunnis say any successor of Muhammad who's voted in
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  is a legitimate successor Shias or Iran says only blood relatives of Muhammad are legitimate
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  successors and since if you look at Islamic history after Muhammad died you had Abu Bakr, Umar,
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  Uthman and Ali and Ali was blood a blood relative of Muhammad so she is say only the fourth
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  cal the fourth caliph or the fourth successor was the first legitimate successor to Muhammad where
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  Sunnis which is about 90% of Muslims in the world say no they're all legitimate successors whether
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  they're blood related or not so even though Sunnis and Shias hate each other for that reason which is
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  mainly political not theological they're working together in the West because as I've said before
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  Dave the enemy my enemies my friend that's why you'll have Islamists Sunni Shia working with communists
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  working with Marxists working with socialists etc the red green alliance which we've done an
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  episode of our show on in the past as well because the common goal is to destroy American freedom
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  destroy America as we know it and bring it under something else whether that's communism or
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  Islamism and we know obviously the most important thing is that God's in control nothing happens
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  without God allowing it or causing it and the gospel the Lord Jesus Christ is what we need to share
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  with everybody because the gospel is a solution to all the world's problems including Islamism
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  including communism and all that we're seeing going on around us today yes amen brother good
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  place to end it and as Dr. Luke the good doctor wrote in Acts many convincing proofs right we have
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  a faith that's based on evidence and an empty tomb that's still empty last time I checked by the way
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  friends go to worldviewmatters.tv and look up the two episodes we did with Tony a couple months
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  we now have a search function which we didn't have early on at worldviewmatters.tv upper right hand
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  you can see the magnifying glass that's a search type in Tony Guerrilla or Israel Palestine and you'll
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  come across our previous episodes with Tony that are really good as well but radical truth.net
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  brother thank you thank you for your expertise and you're just being with us today we love
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  your brother love your ministry and God bless you thank you Dave God bless you and your audience
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  thank you until next time friends thanks again we will do it again tomorrow God bless you and as
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  always keep speaking the truth about things that matter