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The Sh*t You Should ACTUALLY Care About · Two Broke Chicks

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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always
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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.
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Speaker 2: Hey checks, I'm sal and I'm out And this is
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Speaker 2: super bro Cheeks to show that shares life lessons and
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Speaker 2: tips to help make you rich in life. And oh
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Speaker 2: my god, we are so excited for today's episode because
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Speaker 2: we are joined by Lucy Blackistan, one of the brains
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Speaker 2: behind She You Should care About and the co author
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Speaker 2: of Make It Make Sense, She you Should Care About.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you Cheeks are completely across it because we
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Speaker 3: talk about it pretty much every other episode. But debuted
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Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen and has now a massed over three
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Speaker 3: million followers. It's a media company that calls through the bullshit.
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Speaker 3: Welcome Lucy, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for fitting us into your busy,
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Speaker 4: busy schedule. No, this is my only thing today, so like, actually,
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Speaker 4: you're welcome. No, yea, I was first.
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Speaker 5: What's it like being better than everyone else?
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Speaker 4: Shut the fight up, I'm honestly.
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Speaker 3: Before we jump into the questions, we love to start
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Speaker 3: with a life lesson of the week.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I got one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Would you like to kick us out?
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Speaker 4: Yes? I word it's fears of all my voice doesn't
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Speaker 4: usually sound like this. I'm but fucked because I've been
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Speaker 4: talking NonStop a week. But my life lesson of the
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Speaker 4: week is you cannot trust technology, but you can trust yourself.
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Speaker 3: Oh what happened?
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Speaker 4: Okay, two things happened. First of all, so I've been
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Speaker 4: at south By Southwest this week debuting kind of like
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Speaker 4: beta testing a live show that I really I'm gonna
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Speaker 4: manifest it. I really want to take to the Austin
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Speaker 4: that's south By Southwest, like the big south By Southwest.
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Speaker 4: Usually I say when I'm doing speaking events, I don't
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Speaker 4: want slides, I don't want technology. I want nothing behind me.
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Speaker 4: I want everyone focused on me, and I don't want
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Speaker 4: to be worried about anything except for me. I can
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Speaker 4: trust myself. I can't trust technology. The whole premise of
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Speaker 4: this live show was that I built a fake Instagram
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Speaker 4: account to tell the story of shit you should care about.
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Speaker 4: So the one thing it relied on the one thing
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Speaker 4: that I asked so many times. I was like, we
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Speaker 4: need to be able to plug my phone in so
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Speaker 4: I can scroll through my phone and tell the story
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Speaker 4: as if I'm sitting here talking to you, like scrolling
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Speaker 4: through my phone and then we get there and I
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Speaker 4: plug my phone and it doesn't show up on screen,
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Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, my whole show an hour is based
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Speaker 4: on this. Thank God. A woman in Stem one of
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Speaker 4: the Tich girlies. Yeah, she got in there, she got
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Speaker 4: under the stage, she fiddled around with some things ten
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Speaker 4: minutes before the show went on.
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Speaker 5: She like I would have developed a crush on her.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And in fact, like I'm like, how do
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Speaker 4: I send you flowers? Yes?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like eggs in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But the next day so fun. I was moderating a
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Speaker 4: chat with Teddy Swims on like a Huger stage. Like
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Speaker 4: there was like three thousand people there. Yeah, it was huge,
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Speaker 4: and he's like I didn't realize the nicest motherfucker in
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Speaker 4: the world, but like he's so famous and I especially
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Speaker 4: in Australia and New Zealand and so so many people
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Speaker 4: showed up. And then at the end of the talk
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Speaker 4: they were like, there's an iPad and people will be
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Speaker 4: asking questions and you can go through and like peck
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Speaker 4: the questions. So I was checking the time, We're twenty
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Speaker 4: minutes left. I go on the iPad. It's not connected
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Speaker 4: to Wi Fi. So I'm on stage in front of
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Speaker 4: all these people. But I has had to be like,
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Speaker 4: hey and everyone, actually there's no Wi Fi on this iPad,
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Speaker 4: so could someone please sort this out for me. It
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Speaker 4: took about ten minutes for someone to come and like
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Speaker 4: drop a new iPad to me. I was sitting there
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Speaker 4: thinking do they hear me? Are they going to bring
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Speaker 4: me a new iPad in the meantime? Titty? And it
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Speaker 4: was actually his manager, Luke on stage two such legends,
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Speaker 4: like we were just having chats. They I think they
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Speaker 4: were like, she's handling this so fine, We're just going
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Speaker 4: to keep chatting. And it wouldn't have meted. No one
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Speaker 4: else noticed, it wouldn't have metted. But I got messages
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Speaker 4: afterwards being like, Lucy, you were amazing, because as soon
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Speaker 4: as there was no Wi Fi on that iPad, I
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Speaker 4: would have been and perts. Yeah, but I just had
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Speaker 4: already learned you cannot trust technology, You can only trust yourself. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: And honestly I already knew that, which is why I've
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Speaker 4: never done technology heavy stuff before, and I say I
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Speaker 4: won't do it again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is there's so many things that can go
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Speaker 1: wrong with it, and I think, exactly what you did,
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Speaker 1: you just have to then sit.
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Speaker 5: There and go, well, what's happening?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think when you try to
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Speaker 1: recover and pretend it's not happening, that's yeah, you're like.
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Speaker 3: Why you lie, and that's human.
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Speaker 4: Well yeah, I don't think people want a like professional
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Speaker 4: on stage anymore. They want someone that's like, yeah, and
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Speaker 4: I tripped on the way up to my life show.
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Speaker 4: It's like I decided for some reason. Instead, it was
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Speaker 4: like steps up, they announced me. Why did I decide
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Speaker 4: to do a lunge up on the front of the stage.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure, And I didn't like four. I just did
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Speaker 4: a bit of a sile scuffle, but everyone saw it,
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Speaker 4: and I saw. I just sat down and I was like,
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Speaker 4: oh today, drain guys. I'm just a normal girl. Look
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Speaker 4: I just tripped on my way up and like, yeah, no.
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Speaker 3: I'm so people fall in love with you even more
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Speaker 3: before you begin, So take it away, trip.
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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, okay, what's your life lessons?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, my life lesson is something that I
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Speaker 3: saw on TikTok this week. I'll link the original post
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Speaker 3: in the show notes, but I thought it was kind
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Speaker 3: of relevant to today's episode. And this chick said, I
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Speaker 3: think growing up is just becoming who you were at
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Speaker 3: fifteen again, but loving her this time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, that is so beautiful, because I
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Speaker 3: think in our early twenties we try to like reject
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Speaker 3: so much of who we were as teenagers and put
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Speaker 3: it off as being cringe and really try and push
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Speaker 3: away all of those things that make us unique. And
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Speaker 3: even when you are a teenager, like you're just so
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Speaker 3: hard on yourself, and then when you look back when
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Speaker 3: you're in your late twenties or thirties, you're like, I
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Speaker 3: actually was really fucking cool, and person that I've become
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Speaker 3: now is someone that my fifteen year old self would love.
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Speaker 1: There's this tweet and it's like, age eight I've been
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Speaker 1: really into fantasy books, Lord of the Rings, dragons and
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Speaker 1: collecting little trinkets age eighteen. I can't remember the last
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Speaker 1: time I felt true happiness age twenty five, so I've been.
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Speaker 5: Really into fantasy books, Lord of the Rings, dragons, and.
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Speaker 4: Collecting little yees.
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Speaker 5: Literally were also knew what was.
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week, which I feel like
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Speaker 1: ties into all of our energy very well, is that
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Speaker 1: a new survey has found women who make time for
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Speaker 1: Girls Night every twenty two days are living their best life?
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I even go to every twenty two
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Speaker 4: days every night.
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Speaker 1: I was, yeah, we're saying twenty two as a as
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Speaker 1: a max specific number two.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, how does that line up with our cycles?
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Speaker 3: Is there something in there?
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Speaker 4: It's like a mag It's actually so true.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah so.
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Speaker 1: Author Danielle Bayard Jackson puts it best. Research suggests that
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Speaker 1: women have higher expectations of support and intimacy in their
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Speaker 1: close relationships and men. Do Women integrate our friends into
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Speaker 1: our lives as deeply as siblings, whereas men can treat
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Speaker 1: friends like cousins.
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's like a comparison, but I just
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Speaker 5: love it.
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Speaker 1: So sending to your girls. Women need girls night at
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Speaker 1: least every twenty two days.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get in the cowl every twenty two days.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I feel like, for.
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Speaker 4: Like London, girlies works so hard sometimes to get everywhere,
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Speaker 4: and when you start having kids and things, twenty two
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Speaker 4: days seems doable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah for me, I still live with seven people. I'm like,
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Speaker 4: I want to wake up in the morning and I
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Speaker 4: want to see my girls. Yeah, I'm like, so seven people, girl,
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Speaker 4: I know. One of them is my brother, amazing, like
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Speaker 4: a bunch of my best friends from high school. It's
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Speaker 4: so cute.
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Speaker 5: That sounds so fun. It's giving like new girl friends.
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Speaker 4: Yea, honestly, people like and like, surely she owns a
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Speaker 4: house and she does that, she does us. I'm girl,
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Speaker 4: I still have. I still get told off not doing
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Speaker 4: the dishes. But I feel like it's because I grew
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Speaker 4: up really quick and like started being like a girl
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Speaker 4: boss like business yeah blah blah blah, not like a
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Speaker 4: like wearing a pencil skirt and kettils and shit. But
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Speaker 4: just like instead of being young, I started running this business,
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Speaker 4: which I loved, still love. And then I like set
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Speaker 4: the business up and realized I can actually do that
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Speaker 4: and still be like a normal young person.
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Speaker 1: Like.
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Speaker 4: So then I moved back in with my riends and
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Speaker 4: it's been the best thing. You were so I really
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Speaker 4: enjoy that.
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Speaker 1: I love the rewind of being like, yeah, am I
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Speaker 1: taking life so serious?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's like what you just said. We hosted a
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Speaker 4: house party the other weekend and there was it was
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Speaker 4: nineties themes amazing, and everyone walked into my room or
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Speaker 4: like this looks like my childhood bedroom and I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 4: because like, finally I have no one telling me what
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Speaker 4: to do with like my income.
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Speaker 3: I've got big girl money, money, kill money.
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Speaker 5: This question is one of our favorites.
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Speaker 1: In a teen Vogue interview, you said, I feel very
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Speaker 1: fucking passionately about the Internet.
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Speaker 5: I love the Internet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, with so much discourse on the Internet, I ask
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Speaker 1: this in the.
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Speaker 5: Most respectful and genuine way.
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Speaker 1: How because I love the Internet, but she can be
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Speaker 1: a cruel mystery.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you stay in love with the Internet.
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Speaker 4: I think I've built it in a way that I
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Speaker 4: love it. Like I didn't show my face online for
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Speaker 4: the first like five or six years of running shit
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Speaker 4: you should care about, so I got to grow up
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Speaker 4: in private like twenty twenty. If I had shown my
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Speaker 4: face in twenty twenty when shit you should care about
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Speaker 4: was popping off and everyone was hating on us, but
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Speaker 4: everyone was hating on everyone, hateful time. Yeah, And like
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Speaker 4: also when I was younger and coming to terms with
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Speaker 4: like how I look and like having a look at
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Speaker 4: my face online every day and my body and what
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Speaker 4: I'm wearying like that would have fucked me up, right,
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Speaker 4: But instead when me and Rubes and Lott who are
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Speaker 4: my best friends who started chit you should care about
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Speaker 4: with me? They are now doing other jobs, still my
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Speaker 4: best friends. It was just like this became very clear
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Speaker 4: that it was like my baby. We decided like do
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Speaker 4: we know who runs the BBC? No? Do we know
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Speaker 4: what they look like?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 4: Do we care? No? So we were like, cool, let's
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Speaker 4: never show ourselves.
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Speaker 3: I love that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just think because I did that while
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Speaker 4: my brain was still forming, there's just no winning, Like
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Speaker 4: there's no fucking winning. And so I think even though
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Speaker 4: I didn't do it for that reason, I did it
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Speaker 4: because it was like we're talking about the news, Who
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Speaker 4: fucking cares what T shirt I'm wearing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Trying.
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Speaker 1: I feel as well, like even if you did put
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Speaker 1: yourself out there, the focus wouldn't have been on the news. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know it would. It would be like much more
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Speaker 1: critique just for being talking about and.
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Speaker 4: Who's this random key we trying to like chime in
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Speaker 4: on global events? Why do you even kre? Why don't
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Speaker 4: you focus on your own country? We got enough of
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Speaker 4: that anyway. But it was like even bitter that I
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Speaker 4: felt safe doing it because no one knew who I was.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean gossip girl for smart kind.
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Speaker 4: Of people could find me out, but it was quite
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Speaker 4: a nice They just didn't care. They only cared about
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Speaker 4: the news, and I loved that. And then I also
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Speaker 4: love the Internet because so many people just they have
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Speaker 4: to just go online and doom scroll and then they
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Speaker 4: feel really helpless. But it's like, if I'm going online
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Speaker 4: and scrolling, I can do something about it. I never
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Speaker 4: have to feel helpless because I'm like, oh my god,
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Speaker 4: let me teach people about that, let me show you that.
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Speaker 4: Let me like go write a newsletter explaining this. And
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Speaker 4: so I just think I've set it up in a
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Speaker 4: way where like my job is a fucking privilege because
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Speaker 4: I don't get depressed by the news because I can
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Speaker 4: do something. I always say, like my job is to
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Speaker 4: give people the news without giving them the blues. So
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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm going to show you this. But if
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Speaker 4: we're all depressed about it, like no change is ever
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Speaker 4: gonna happen. So let's put some Mary Styles. Let's put
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Speaker 4: some like formula one. It's like, be actual humans.
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I just ows met Harry Styles.
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Speaker 3: No, yeah, direction, I'll show you the pick later.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, I hate you now.
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Speaker 5: Now you have one a competition.
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Speaker 3: No, how old were you?
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Speaker 4: I was twenty one, it was four, Okay, that's still
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Speaker 4: a good age, like they could have fallen in line
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Speaker 4: age and because everyone else was like thirteen and we
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Speaker 4: were all the same age, and they blocked yeah, oh yeah,
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Speaker 4: so I.
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Speaker 5: Was giving the look.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, we're on if you want to be
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Speaker 1: no security, Yeah cheap, And.
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Speaker 5: Harry is giving her a kiss on the cheek.
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Speaker 4: That's like I used to make like thenipulations of him kissing.
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Speaker 3: One of the best moments of my life. We do
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Speaker 3: love you and the content that you make because of
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Speaker 3: the way that you do present it, and we do
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Speaker 3: love like the trojan horse of the Harry Styles and
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Speaker 3: that you also still cover like seemingly frivolous culture moments,
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Speaker 3: which is so funny because it's guaranteed that every single
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Speaker 3: time you post something about Harry Styles, you'll get a
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Speaker 3: comment saying this isn't she you care about?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Em so funny because I'm just like, hey, do you
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Speaker 4: think that was original? Do you think I haven't heard
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Speaker 4: that for the past like.
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Speaker 3: Eight years exactly, Like at least come up with something unique.
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Speaker 3: But what would you say to those people? And people
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Speaker 3: especially who think that female fandoms are frivolous and silly.
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Speaker 4: From the original TI I said to Rbian Loving, like
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Speaker 4: we should start you care about and it should be
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Speaker 4: a mixed bag. It's never changed because I'm like, if
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Speaker 4: you want just hard news, there are a bazillion places
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Speaker 4: you can go and get that. Like, I'm not making
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Speaker 4: you be here, my darling. You don't have to be here.
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Speaker 4: You can go to BBC if you want news. That's
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Speaker 4: also a little bit funny, and it's like, although there's
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Speaker 4: gonna be like hot guys popping up and hot women
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Speaker 4: popping up, like you can be here. It's safe, it's
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Speaker 4: for you. And then also just like we are humans
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Speaker 4: and I don't know about you guys, but it's like
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Speaker 4: I'm not just interested in only one thing ever, It's
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Speaker 4: like I'm interested in so many different things. It's like
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Speaker 4: very human to have so many different interests. So our
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Speaker 4: like pay rag content or whatever should feel like very
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Speaker 4: human because it's like we're not just constantly talking about
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Speaker 4: like this awful shit happening in the world all the time.
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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, this awful shit happening, but there's also
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Speaker 4: good stuff happening and it's also like this is going
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Speaker 4: to give your brain a break, because again, if we're
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Speaker 4: all just depressed all the time, change can't happen.
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Speaker 5: I think that's what really draws people too.
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Speaker 1: Shit you should care about is it does feel like
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Speaker 1: a human is.
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Speaker 4: Not a corporation.
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Speaker 1: It feels like a friend that's helping you like navigate
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Speaker 1: and being like this is happening.
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Speaker 5: Also, this is happening.
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Speaker 4: Because it's just me that does like it should feel
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Speaker 4: like a friend because it's genuinely me just being like
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Speaker 4: this is really fucked up. Guys, Like I'm not like
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Speaker 4: framing stuff. I'm not like trying to persuade people like
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Speaker 4: or I'll.
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Speaker 1: Be like what do I think of a mind of
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Speaker 1: a media corporation being like.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and like this is the spin and this is
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Speaker 4: the angle.
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Speaker 5: What's their angle?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the angle is that's fuck Like we all know that.
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Speaker 4: And also if you don't believe that's fucked you should
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Speaker 4: just unfollow, Like I don't care. Instagram doesn't pay me anything,
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Speaker 4: like I I don't even love being on Instagram, like
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Speaker 4: the newsletters where I love being So I'm like, if
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Speaker 4: you don't want to follow you, yeah.
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Speaker 3: You have free will.
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Speaker 5: We're not the police. It's our favorite new quote. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: whenever you know, we we post something and someone's like,
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Speaker 5: but I don't like it, I'm not your tops.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're good like it.
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Speaker 4: And it's also just like not everything on the internet
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Speaker 4: is for.
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Speaker 5: You, And it's like what to make?
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Speaker 3: Is spaghetti?
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Speaker 5: Bollinating for under ten dollars? Goes, but I don't like pasta?
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Speaker 5: How do we make it? Without it?
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Speaker 4: The algorithms because they're so tailored to us now our
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Speaker 4: brains have gone everything I see needs to be for me.
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Speaker 4: It's called the water about me effect. And then as
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Speaker 4: soon as as soon as you see immediately and it's
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Speaker 4: because I use that.
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Speaker 5: All what about the effect?
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Speaker 4: Because it's like, we see something and if it's not
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Speaker 4: about us. We've been so trained to think that everything
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Speaker 4: we see is meant to be for us that we're like, hmmm,
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Speaker 4: what about me? And all of this it's like, it's
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Speaker 4: not bad.
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Speaker 5: It's not about you.
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Speaker 1: And I also think maybe taking yourself out of that
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Speaker 1: will potentially make news a little bit and the internet
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Speaker 1: a little bit less overwhelming as well. How do you
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Speaker 1: personally avoid compassion fatigue when you care so much about
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Speaker 1: everything that you end up caring about nothing.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I think it takes a very certain person to
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Speaker 4: be able to do this job, because I get this
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Speaker 4: question a lot. It's actually the same reason that like
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Speaker 4: maybe I would be a good therapist. It like doesn't
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Speaker 4: come home with me and keep me up at night.
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Speaker 4: And I think that's because I feel like I'm doing
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Speaker 4: something about it, Like I do. Feel like people that
16:40
Speaker 4: get compassion fatigue are like people that are consuming, consuming, consuming,
16:44
Speaker 4: and then just feel so powerless. But I just am
16:49
Speaker 4: like I'm a really big like believe it and like
16:53
Speaker 4: do what you can with what you have, yeah, and
16:56
Speaker 4: like that should always make you feel like you're doing enough,
16:58
Speaker 4: like donate what you can. But if you don't have
17:01
Speaker 4: enough to donate, share this, and if you don't enough
17:04
Speaker 4: to share that, like I don't know, just go and
17:07
Speaker 4: research it. I just think, Yeah, I never find that
17:10
Speaker 4: I have compassion fatigue because I have room to do
17:14
Speaker 4: the job. And I'm like, yeah, but when I've been
17:17
Speaker 4: through like harder times in my life where i haven't
17:20
Speaker 4: been like medicated properly for mental health stuff, then I
17:24
Speaker 4: get fatigued because I'm not ready to take on anything else.
17:28
Speaker 4: Now I'm like exhorted it. I'm like, I can do
17:30
Speaker 4: this job. This job is made for me.
17:33
Speaker 1: What are some easy and affordable ways that people can
17:36
Speaker 1: feel like they're doing something if they have compassion fatigue
17:39
Speaker 1: from the news cycle or the internet.
17:41
Speaker 4: Oh okay, this is kind of a hard one. But
17:43
Speaker 4: it's like being brave enough to like talk to your
17:46
Speaker 4: racist uncle at like dinner, at the dinner table like that.
17:49
Speaker 4: That's kind of a brave one. But I do think
17:52
Speaker 4: sometimes it feels good to just like if you have
17:54
Speaker 4: nowhere else to let it out, and there's someone that's
17:57
Speaker 4: been really racist. Sometimes there's no gitting through to them,
18:00
Speaker 4: but if you can just like gently prove your point,
18:03
Speaker 4: it like costs nothing. But sometimes that's texting on the emotion.
18:08
Speaker 1: I like that you even said before even just researching it, Yeah,
18:11
Speaker 1: we live so then the new story is a headline. Yeah,
18:15
Speaker 1: so like even just researching it further, looking into petitions,
18:18
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
18:19
Speaker 4: And like I just don't think anyone should feel bad
18:22
Speaker 4: for their way of caring, do you know what I mean.
18:26
Speaker 4: It's like the world is hard on everyone, and as
18:31
Speaker 4: I keep saying, just nohere, no one gets anywhere. If
18:33
Speaker 4: like we're making ourselves broke or we're making ourselves depressed.
18:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, even following like Instagram accounts that will keep
18:41
Speaker 3: you more informedouts still doing something and talking to your
18:43
Speaker 3: friends about it.
18:44
Speaker 4: I write a sub stack and you can pay to
18:46
Speaker 4: receive it, but it's also free because I don't want
18:48
Speaker 4: young people to be left out of the news because
18:51
Speaker 4: I can't afford. It's like against what I do. But
18:54
Speaker 4: I always say, like liking and searing and all that
18:57
Speaker 4: is a way of caring, because then you're meaning that
19:01
Speaker 4: I can keep doing my job because more people will
19:04
Speaker 4: see the stuff.
19:04
Speaker 5: And yeah, you know this.
19:06
Speaker 4: Was Princess No Princess of New Zealand. No, no, no, no.
19:14
Speaker 3: Honestly, I also wanted to talk about your book quickly
19:18
Speaker 3: because in the final chapter, which I love, which is
19:22
Speaker 3: let Me Live, Let Me Live, Yeah, you're open by
19:24
Speaker 3: discussing how to create a life that actually makes you
19:27
Speaker 3: want to put your phone down? So what do you
19:29
Speaker 3: prioritize in your life that makes you want to log
19:33
Speaker 3: off and put your phone down?
19:34
Speaker 4: Well, as we discussed earlier, I lived with seven people.
19:37
Speaker 4: It's really easy for me to not be on my phone.
19:40
Speaker 4: I live in like Wellington and New Zealand, it's like
19:43
Speaker 4: a really small city. It almost doesn't feel like a
19:45
Speaker 4: city because I'm not a city girl. I'm right by
19:48
Speaker 4: the ocean. I have an e bike, and I'm just
19:51
Speaker 4: obsessed with Like when you're on a bike, you literally
19:53
Speaker 4: cannot be doing anything else. If I'm on the bike,
19:56
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking about the world. I love with so
19:58
Speaker 4: many people that if I want a distraction from my
20:00
Speaker 4: and I always have it. I love reading, and I
20:02
Speaker 4: just like, weirdly, I'm just not that addicted to my phone.
20:06
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
20:06
Speaker 4: Why not, because like you were so on top of it.
20:10
Speaker 4: I know, I even find it crazy. And people always
20:13
Speaker 4: ask this, and it's like I love TikTok so much.
20:16
Speaker 4: I love like getting it at my bed at night.
20:19
Speaker 4: I'm scrolling on TikTok, but I'm like, I don't get
20:22
Speaker 4: into like spiral, like you don't scroll. But I think
20:27
Speaker 4: it's because I may have fatigued myself of that. From
20:30
Speaker 4: twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, I was so like
20:32
Speaker 4: obsessed with the job and building it into a business.
20:35
Speaker 4: I actually saw the worst parts of the Internet in
20:38
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. I recon because that was fucked, Like everything
20:41
Speaker 4: was crazy.
20:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you gotta go through it.
20:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have it.
20:44
Speaker 5: Yeah.
20:44
Speaker 4: And then I think because I wrote a book, it
20:46
Speaker 4: was really like, let me remove myself from it, and
20:49
Speaker 4: now I write the newsletter, which is my I feel
20:51
Speaker 4: like I've moved more into like a writer than a
20:54
Speaker 4: like content creator.
20:56
Speaker 1: Which a friend who is going through that at the moment,
20:58
Speaker 1: she's like, you know what, like short form just doesn't
21:01
Speaker 1: feel my passion, Like I'm just not meant to make it,
21:04
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's going against like my inner soul.
21:09
Speaker 5: And this week she launched like a substack and I
21:11
Speaker 5: was like, I.
21:12
Speaker 4: Yew, Whereas I'm still like writing a book fucking killed
21:15
Speaker 4: me because long form a long project and long form
21:18
Speaker 4: content that is not my soul. Yeah, but even the
21:21
Speaker 4: news that it's still like short form. But it's like
21:23
Speaker 4: I'm actually getting to write. I'm not meant to be
21:25
Speaker 4: making in for graphics. I'm meant to be like writing
21:28
Speaker 4: about the news.
21:29
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've created an empire helping people identify shit
21:34
Speaker 1: they should care about. But we're curious, what's something that
21:39
Speaker 1: you used to care about but have since realized you
21:42
Speaker 1: don't really give a shit about it that much anymore.
21:45
Speaker 4: This might be controversial actually being like so pc online
21:50
Speaker 4: that you're having to cave at everything you say. I
21:53
Speaker 4: don't give a shit about that anymore, because I really
21:56
Speaker 4: do think like having to caveat your self being like, hey,
22:01
Speaker 4: I'm about to say this, but you know my values
22:04
Speaker 4: are you know I'm a good person and you know
22:05
Speaker 4: I'm intending as well. That ruins writing, like having to
22:09
Speaker 4: constantly be like.
22:11
Speaker 5: I don't mean it that way.
22:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't mean it. Yeah, Because the Internet is
22:14
Speaker 4: built basically it incentivizes people to take everything you say
22:18
Speaker 4: in the worst way possible because it's built on engagement, right.
22:21
Speaker 4: If you have to caveat everything you say, it really
22:24
Speaker 4: does take away from a lot of the messages, especially
22:28
Speaker 4: when the people you're writing to know your intentions.
22:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:31
Speaker 4: I actually felt that when I was writing the book,
22:32
Speaker 4: because I was like, I want to be fucking honest
22:35
Speaker 4: in this book.
22:36
Speaker 3: And you can't edit the book. No, it's not like
22:39
Speaker 3: a post. You can't take it down, you can't edit it,
22:41
Speaker 3: you can't revise it. Yeah, you can't update the caption.
22:44
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I was like, but I want this to
22:47
Speaker 4: be honest. I want it to be good reading, and
22:48
Speaker 4: I want to talk about the realities of living online
22:50
Speaker 4: and things like that, and I don't want to have
22:52
Speaker 4: to put a caveat at the top being like, by
22:55
Speaker 4: the way, I love my job. It's a privilege to
22:56
Speaker 4: be online. I know that, Like I'm living so many
22:59
Speaker 4: people's dreams. I want to just be like, I worked hard.
23:02
Speaker 4: It was really hard. I still love it. But you
23:04
Speaker 4: know so, I think I don't give a shit about
23:06
Speaker 4: being so like scared to say stuff now.
23:08
Speaker 5: I love that.
23:09
Speaker 1: The reason I was just talking on my phone was
23:11
Speaker 1: because I wanted to find this quote from.
23:13
Speaker 5: Dolly Oldson's book.
23:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing, and I feel like it really encompasses
23:17
Speaker 1: as well what you were saying, and it's it is
23:20
Speaker 1: futile and knackering to try and make all your tiny
23:23
Speaker 1: choices representative of your moral compass. Then beat yourself up
23:27
Speaker 1: when this plan inevitably fails. Yes, feminists can get wax,
23:31
Speaker 1: priests can swear, vegetarians can wear leather shoes. Do as
23:35
Speaker 1: much good as you can. The weighty representation of the
23:38
Speaker 1: world cannot rest on every decision you make.
23:41
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously dollars, but it is it's just when
23:48
Speaker 4: people know that they know where your values lie, Like
23:51
Speaker 4: you can see where my values, like, like eight years
23:54
Speaker 4: of content can show you that. So you pecking apart
23:57
Speaker 4: one thing I've seen just to feel some power in
23:59
Speaker 4: a world, Like it's very hard for individuals to feel power.
24:02
Speaker 4: I understand it.
24:03
Speaker 1: But someone called my work chat GPT because I got
24:07
Speaker 1: a date wrong for the bridgeton.
24:09
Speaker 5: They were said twenty ninth of February, which is really
24:12
Speaker 5: funny because it doesn't exist.
24:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, loll cht GPT at work and I was like, actually,
24:17
Speaker 1: that's the most human fucking era I've ever seen about life,
24:21
Speaker 1: because I'm an idiot who doesn't proofread.
24:23
Speaker 4: They were Yeah, and also we love a low stakes
24:27
Speaker 4: era because it reminds people that were human. Yeah. I
24:30
Speaker 4: love making typos because I'm like you guys can see,
24:32
Speaker 4: I write a newsletter every day and I've never had
24:34
Speaker 4: an editor, and I've.
24:35
Speaker 3: Got them this far.
24:37
Speaker 5: My editor is sound.
24:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a game we really want to play
24:40
Speaker 1: with you, so sour kick us off.
24:42
Speaker 3: Yes, So we absolutely love your mundane polls. Oh okay,
24:46
Speaker 3: it is one of our absolute favorite pieces of content.
24:49
Speaker 3: So we wanted to run through some of our favorite
24:52
Speaker 3: mundane polls that you've done. But we never get to
24:54
Speaker 3: hear your perspective.
24:56
Speaker 4: So can I just tell you something about the mundaye
24:59
Speaker 4: poles becau to what we were just talking about, how
25:01
Speaker 4: people love to be angry in the comments sections. I
25:04
Speaker 4: made the mundane polls to give people somewhere to argue
25:08
Speaker 4: that like wasn't going to hurt anyone's feelings. It's so
25:11
Speaker 4: funny because it's like, if you want to be angry online,
25:14
Speaker 4: let's do it in a wait that's not going to
25:15
Speaker 4: hurt people's feelings.
25:16
Speaker 3: Literally like wrap them in cot more and you guys
25:19
Speaker 3: play over here. But that's smart. We're going to run
25:22
Speaker 3: through some of our favorite mundane poles and now we're
25:24
Speaker 3: going to get your hot takes. Okay, quit fire. So
25:27
Speaker 3: first one, is it for fuck sake, for fuck's sake,
25:34
Speaker 3: for fuck's sake with an apostrophe in between the K
25:37
Speaker 3: and the s, or for fuck sakes?
25:40
Speaker 4: The third one and my humble opinion for fuck's sake
25:45
Speaker 4: with the apostrophe like when I say it's like for
25:48
Speaker 4: fuck's sake.
25:49
Speaker 5: Because it fuck owns it?
25:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing number three. I think I think
25:53
Speaker 3: I agree with that. Yeah, I think I'd be a
25:55
Speaker 3: number two girls. Okay, next one, how do you pronounce
25:58
Speaker 3: tuna tuna? Or when I was little, it was tuna
26:02
Speaker 3: because that's what my parents said. But then as I
26:03
Speaker 3: went to high school, I think I got social licenses
26:06
Speaker 3: saying tuna.
26:07
Speaker 4: Nona girl.
26:08
Speaker 3: Did you go on an American high school?
26:10
Speaker 1: No?
26:10
Speaker 4: I just think like tuna. I think maybe one person
26:14
Speaker 4: once would have made fun of me for saying tuna, and.
26:16
Speaker 5: Then that'll stick with you.
26:18
Speaker 3: That'll happen. What do you use o tuna?
26:20
Speaker 5: Tuna?
26:22
Speaker 1: Yeah?
26:22
Speaker 5: Okay?
26:23
Speaker 1: Do you face the shower or have your back to
26:27
Speaker 1: the shower?
26:27
Speaker 4: I face the shower, and I have a theory. It's
26:30
Speaker 4: like if you're a productive shower, like, I'm not in
26:33
Speaker 4: there to relax. I'm in there because I need to
26:36
Speaker 4: get in, get it done, get it out. I got
26:39
Speaker 4: shit to do.
26:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, I'm a face of shower. What do
26:42
Speaker 5: you I feel like?
26:43
Speaker 3: I spin around?
26:44
Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, if you're washing your hair out,
26:48
Speaker 4: obviously you spin around wash it out. But mostly I'm
26:51
Speaker 4: just facing that shower.
26:52
Speaker 5: Agree, come on washing my back.
26:53
Speaker 3: When I'm there, I'm running out change.
26:55
Speaker 1: I can handle a hotter temperature when i'm facing it
26:59
Speaker 1: versus on the I turn around, I'm like, oh, that's
27:01
Speaker 1: too interesting.
27:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's the spinal called the nerves. Okay, and finally,
27:07
Speaker 3: what came first, the chicken or the egg?
27:09
Speaker 4: It's a fox question.
27:11
Speaker 3: Say you asked it?
27:13
Speaker 4: It's so funny, no wonder those are the most famous
27:16
Speaker 4: question in the world. What are you guys?
27:17
Speaker 5: Like?
27:17
Speaker 4: It might be the egg?
27:18
Speaker 5: I think it's it's the egg for sure.
27:20
Speaker 3: And the results of your pole were almost fifty fifty split.
27:24
Speaker 3: Like it was so even I couldn't believe it because crazy.
27:26
Speaker 4: It's the egg.
27:27
Speaker 1: Well, if we want to be annoying and break it
27:29
Speaker 1: down by thoughts, then it would be from evolution. Then
27:33
Speaker 1: it would always have come from an egg slowly over time.
27:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's this thing that chickens are closely related.
27:39
Speaker 1: To crocodiles and dinosaurs. Some Tyrannosaurus rex that broke it down. Ye,
27:44
Speaker 1: chicken came from that egg?
27:45
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, cool, we're all in a grants.
27:48
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing you've ever learned from your Mondane poles?
27:52
Speaker 4: Okay, it's not actually the answer of a mondaye pole.
27:54
Speaker 4: It's that it is like funny, and I love everyone
27:57
Speaker 4: that's deemed me, but it is that everyone thinks are
28:02
Speaker 4: the only person that dms us DMS me like secret
28:06
Speaker 4: third option this, or you need to add a third
28:09
Speaker 4: option this, and it's like, yes, a thousand other people
28:11
Speaker 4: have said that, but it's not a good poll if
28:13
Speaker 4: you're putting so many options that everyone can just press
28:16
Speaker 4: other like, yeah, I want you to make a decision.
28:19
Speaker 4: It's so funny me and my beast. For an Abby
28:21
Speaker 4: who does all the designs, she will be like, Lucy,
28:23
Speaker 4: you have no idea. How many people think are the
28:25
Speaker 4: only ones that said third option this. Someone will have
28:29
Speaker 4: responded to a mundane part saying something like third option
28:32
Speaker 4: this or I would say this, and then later down
28:35
Speaker 4: the track they've replied to like five of them, and
28:37
Speaker 4: then down the track they're like, I can't fucking believe
28:39
Speaker 4: you're posting about this new story. You are such a
28:42
Speaker 4: life blah blah blah bah blah. And it's like you
28:43
Speaker 4: love and they're like, yeah, it's so funny. And then
28:49
Speaker 4: if you reply I don't know if you guys find
28:51
Speaker 4: this too. If you reply being like, oh my god,
28:53
Speaker 4: my darling, you do not have to be here, they'll
28:54
Speaker 4: switch up and they'll be like, no, I love you
28:56
Speaker 4: so much, like I'm sorry, like and I'm like, you
28:58
Speaker 4: forget there's a human actually on the other side of this.
29:01
Speaker 4: That's why I like sometimes commenting back to haters, because
29:04
Speaker 4: then they will switch it up and they will be like, no,
29:07
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I actually love you. It was just this
29:09
Speaker 4: one thing.
29:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:10
Speaker 5: My favorite replies what an odd thing to say?
29:12
Speaker 4: Yes? Or if someone makes it, makes it like misogynistic joking,
29:16
Speaker 4: get it? Can you explain that to me? And then
29:18
Speaker 4: when they have to explain it, they're.
29:21
Speaker 3: Like, oh, like I'm an awful person. Yeah, I'm here,
29:24
Speaker 3: I've got a mirror going yeah.
29:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's literally don't understand. Can you please explain that one?
29:29
Speaker 2: All right?
29:29
Speaker 1: So I do have two more final questions for you
29:32
Speaker 1: about another one Ceely Gillipop, and then the final one
29:35
Speaker 1: cool in our Feels. What is your favorite internet pop
29:40
Speaker 1: culture moment? You can only pick one, but you are
29:43
Speaker 1: allowed to have a close runner up.
29:44
Speaker 4: I've got two that immediately come to my head. When
29:46
Speaker 4: everyone thought Harry Styles spat on Chris Pine, like the
29:50
Speaker 4: amount of like New Zealand news outlets that wanted my
29:52
Speaker 4: take on there, I was like, no, guys, I'm not
29:54
Speaker 4: wasting my This bigg of thing's happening, but that's funny.
29:57
Speaker 4: The sickert one is have you have you guys ever
29:58
Speaker 4: seen the meme of the gay little Monkey at the
30:00
Speaker 4: Apple Store? Okay, just look it up everyone listening. Just
30:04
Speaker 4: it's just it's not even a pop pop track moment,
30:06
Speaker 4: and people dress up as it for Halloween, like I
30:08
Speaker 4: think a lot of the queer community and the stage
30:11
Speaker 4: with the bag on its shoulder. I need you to say,
30:14
Speaker 4: it's just an image. It's just there. It's just a
30:17
Speaker 4: gay little monkey. It's just a kid that's being like
30:19
Speaker 4: real love that I don't know why, and people dresses
30:22
Speaker 4: it for Halloween. That's I tried to include that. The
30:28
Speaker 4: Guardian once got me to do like a round up
30:29
Speaker 4: of my favorite memes and I did tin and that
30:33
Speaker 4: was the only one that they were like, we cannot be.
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:37
Speaker 4: I was like, well, luckily I have my own media platform.
30:42
Speaker 5: One today immediately, what's yours?
30:44
Speaker 3: The first thing that popped into my head was when
30:47
Speaker 3: Harry Styles was at the gym and accidentally posted a
30:49
Speaker 3: selfie of him wearing a one Direction T shirt and
30:52
Speaker 3: he met it for his Close Friends story.
30:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that actually spurred me to start a should
30:58
Speaker 4: care about close friends story that pays newsletter subscribers get
31:01
Speaker 4: excess too, And I use that as like the if
31:04
Speaker 4: Harry Styles can do it, so can we. Like so
31:06
Speaker 4: he does actually teaching me summer. Yeah, that's such a
31:09
Speaker 4: great one.
31:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved that moment.
31:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite to this day will be and forever
31:17
Speaker 1: always Tom Holland's Umbrella Lips.
31:20
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, that is.
31:23
Speaker 1: Do you know what whenever I'm sad, Tom Holland's Umbrella Lipsinc.
31:26
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm happy, Tom Holland's Umbrella lip Sinc. Whenever I
31:30
Speaker 1: just need a good vibe. Tom Holland's Umbrella Lipsinc. That is,
31:33
Speaker 1: without doubt. When the rain comes down, He's like, let
31:37
Speaker 1: the rain, but and then the sparks come, no splashing.
31:40
Speaker 1: I've never been so attracted. Yeah, dressed as Rhianna in
31:47
Speaker 1: my entire life. Like that is hands down my favorite
31:52
Speaker 1: Internet moment.
31:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going home to watch that right now because
31:55
Speaker 4: I am addicted to that as well.
31:57
Speaker 5: It's so it.
31:58
Speaker 3: Never gets old.
32:00
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
32:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one. I love that. Okay, well
32:04
Speaker 3: I almost feel like, how can we top that? But
32:06
Speaker 3: we have to wrap up with a very important question,
32:09
Speaker 3: and what is your biggest life lesson on your journey
32:11
Speaker 3: so far.
32:13
Speaker 4: This is so easy. Don't kill the part of you
32:16
Speaker 4: that's cringe, killed the part that cringes. I didn't make
32:20
Speaker 4: it oump.
32:22
Speaker 5: I literally just got goosebump.
32:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, but don't you think it's like because so many
32:26
Speaker 4: people want to know like the recipe to going viral
32:29
Speaker 4: or like like how to get famous or whatever, and
32:33
Speaker 4: I'm like, the first thing is that, like, you cannot
32:36
Speaker 4: be afraid to be seen, and even if that's because
32:38
Speaker 4: I wasn't like seen, but it's your writing and things
32:41
Speaker 4: like that. Do not be afraid to just put yourself
32:43
Speaker 4: out there. Who gives a fuck if you really want this,
32:45
Speaker 4: to keep your cringe up and put the part of
32:47
Speaker 4: you that cringes down, because it's just like, people love
32:51
Speaker 4: a weird girl. It's the right. I love a weird girl,
32:58
Speaker 4: and I just think, like, yeah, kill the part of
33:00
Speaker 4: you that cringes.
33:01
Speaker 3: That is amazing and what an incredible place to leave
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Speaker 3: us on the episode. Thank you so much, Lucy for
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Speaker 3: coming on the show.
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Speaker 4: You honestly, you can't even see. It's just a shame.
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Speaker 4: I've been kicking my feet this whole time.
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Speaker 3: I just adore, I love you and I love you
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Speaker 3: get married and has best time.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Best and obviously, chicks get around cheps you care about.
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Speaker 5: If you are not already, I'm sure you are subscribe
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Speaker 5: to her stopstad.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't worry about following me on Instagram. Just come
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Speaker 4: to the substack.
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Speaker 3: Okay. We'll put links to everything, including your book in
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Speaker 3: the show notes. The chicks know exactly where to go.
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Speaker 3: But thank you so much again, and thanks to you
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Speaker 3: chicks for having us in your holes. We love to
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Speaker 3: be here.