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Worship, Work, and Worth: Is It Ministry or a Job? | FT Enrique Holmes | EP111 · Jess Ask

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  Speaker 1: Yo, it's your girl, Jessica Smith, and you already know
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  Speaker 1: that you've entered the safe space for influencers to decompress,
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  Speaker 1: have fun and just ask God for do you already
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  Speaker 1: know what it is?
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  Speaker 2: And then you know it's about to get real. To
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  Speaker 2: be sure to.
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  Speaker 1: Show your girl the love and liken scrabe God.
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  Speaker 3: For another day.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, hey, I know we could be another way.
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  Speaker 1: Pray a good one for just pressing record any given
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  Speaker 1: given time, because she just did it.
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  Speaker 2: Record and I'm more over there looking she she's so
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  Speaker 2: excited right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, yo, yo, it's your girl, Jessica Smith, and you
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  Speaker 1: have just entered the safe space.
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  Speaker 2: Where why did I just forget these? Just word?
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  Speaker 1: How you do that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Let me try to get start over, y'all, y'all know
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  Speaker 1: where y'all just you're in the state space where influencers
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  Speaker 1: can decompress, half fun and guess what, just as just
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  Speaker 1: as y'all, it's another week. It's a beautiful week.
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  Speaker 2: We made it. We survived when the enemy came in.
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  Speaker 1: Out of all themst I gotta sing the song to
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  Speaker 1: get it, but I'm not gonna sing today because we
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  Speaker 1: got a real.
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  Speaker 2: Singer who's gonna embarrass themselves right now?
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  Speaker 1: Not me.
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  Speaker 2: I won't embarrass myself today. No, no, no, no, today,
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  Speaker 2: I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm not gonna sing today. I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. Y'all normally get it, but today we got.
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  Speaker 2: We got the listen the one listen almost got it
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  Speaker 2: because y'all know, we gotta do the community highlight.
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  Speaker 1: But before I do the community how like y'allady know
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  Speaker 1: the song that y'all really like, desil Rate desilr You guys,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode. Yes, they'll see you. She
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  Speaker 1: look like a flower girl over there, show up you look,
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  Speaker 1: here comes a bride by Jessica.
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  Speaker 2: That's how you doing good?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good man, Just grateful, grateful, grateful, grateful. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: all I got.
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  Speaker 2: Listen and that's enough.
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  Speaker 1: Listen because that's all I.
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  Speaker 2: Got, and I look back over my life and I
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  Speaker 2: think things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh hear me, I can truly say that I've been blessed.
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  Speaker 1: You test the mall. Okay, how you doing, jess girl?
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  Speaker 2: I am I'm grateful to I'm grateful to. She see
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  Speaker 2: that's a right? Are you you grateful? Are you.
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  Speaker 3: Grateful?
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  Speaker 2: But are you won the title? Wake up, shoot, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get it together today.
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  Speaker 1: But I am grateful. I am grateful because my yes
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  Speaker 1: is becoming.
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  Speaker 2: Stronger every day.
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  Speaker 1: That's real. Like I know where on this year of
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  Speaker 1: Yes three sixty five, if y'all committed to that, make
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  Speaker 1: sure y'all coming that in the chat, y'all, because we've
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  Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of people saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: this yees three sixty five has changed my life.
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  Speaker 2: It's just yes.
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  Speaker 1: Every day we gotta focus on today's yees. And as
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  Speaker 1: I've been focused on my.
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  Speaker 2: Today's yees, yeah, baby, it's been getting stronger. It's been
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  Speaker 2: getting stronger. I am. I am grateful.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing I'm grateful for it is our community highlight
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  Speaker 1: this week. It's special because it is Father's Day.
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  Speaker 2: We love our fathers.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So the community highlight you could just guess who
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: Who they are. Our diddies are ditties.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, daddy, I love you so, so very very much.
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  Speaker 2: I'm super proud of you.
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  Speaker 1: I've just been every time somebody asked me about my daddy, desiree,
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  Speaker 1: pull your daddy.
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  Speaker 2: What's his name?
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  Speaker 1: My daddy is the good old realm Kenneth w Smith okay,
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  Speaker 1: And I love his dirty draws. You hear me, I
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  Speaker 1: am a big daddy's girl, real bad, real bad, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But what I was saying was that people have asked
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  Speaker 1: me about his cancer journey or the journey that you know,
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  Speaker 1: people recently witness him ring the bell. The doctor's still
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  Speaker 1: trying to say he's gonna have the cancer cells and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff like that. But we know what we
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  Speaker 1: believe God for. But the one thing I've been really
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  Speaker 1: excited to share about my father is how he's not
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  Speaker 1: only endured, but he suffered. Well, you know, when we
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  Speaker 1: go through certain things, like our attitudes are shifted by
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  Speaker 1: what we're going through. But he really, like just he's
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  Speaker 1: just really grounded himself and he was so positive, like
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  Speaker 1: to the point where I couldn't cry, I couldn't do
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  Speaker 1: certain things, I couldn't feel as bad because he was
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  Speaker 1: just so positive and so Daddy, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you I'm proud of you, that I love you,
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  Speaker 1: that I just look forward to the day, uh that
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  Speaker 1: all your dreams for your children have come to come
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  Speaker 1: to pass.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Every prayer, every sacrifice, I just pray that we make
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  Speaker 1: we are making you proud. That I'm making you proud.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing like just being loved by you.
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth W. Smith. So I love you, I honor you.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day now, Desiraate, I think you didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear from you, So let me figure out this
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  Speaker 1: techt thing. Hold on, Oh, y'all know, get I'm learning things, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want to say Happy Father's Day to
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  Speaker 1: my dad. Joseph Jenkins.
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  Speaker 2: We uh.
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  Speaker 1: The Lord has allowed these last few years to be
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  Speaker 1: years of healing from me. I just I just realized
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of things that a lot of decisions
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  Speaker 1: and choices I made early on were stemmed from you know,
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  Speaker 1: some some some lack thereof right. And so I'm just
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  Speaker 1: honored that that the Lord has allowed our relationship to grow.
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  Speaker 1: And he's he's retired now, bless his little heart. He's
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  Speaker 1: retired from the from the army for about he served
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  Speaker 1: in the army for about twenty five years, so then
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  Speaker 1: he's thank you for your service. Then he worked at
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  Speaker 1: the VA for another twenty years. So he's been retired
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  Speaker 1: now for about two two and a half years. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited for him because he's he's a musician.
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  Speaker 1: He plays the base. He's out in Atlanta, and he's
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  Speaker 1: living his best life. Like I really thought that he
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  Speaker 1: was going to return back to somebody's work, but he
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  Speaker 1: is literally living his best life. He's playing about about
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  Speaker 1: two bands. He plays, you know, for the church and
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  Speaker 1: all these other things. And so I am just excited
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  Speaker 1: to see that his letter years will be better as
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  Speaker 1: he walks into this new season of just I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: say happiness. This is definitely a season of happiness for him.
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  Speaker 1: So father, Father, Happy Father's.
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  Speaker 2: Day, Happy Father's Day. I didn't know your dady paid
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  Speaker 2: the base. My dad praid beast too.
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  Speaker 1: So when I was probably in the twelfth grade, they
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  Speaker 1: were still he's he was an army, still in in
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  Speaker 1: the in the military time. They were still in Alabama,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to play the bass because I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be a bad bass, you know, bad
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  Speaker 1: female bass, you know what I'm saying. And so he
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  Speaker 1: bought me a Fender kit. So I had a bass
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  Speaker 1: and a little amp, and he was He started showing
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  Speaker 1: me some of the some of the notes, like he
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  Speaker 1: wrote the board, like he wrote the actual board out
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  Speaker 1: and everything, and I started learning. But when they moved
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  Speaker 1: to Georgia. I just didn't have the self discipline to
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  Speaker 1: keep learning, to teach myself, and I ain't had a
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  Speaker 1: uh the resources at the time to uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to keep lessons. So I uh, I gave it away.
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  Speaker 3: I did. I gave it away.
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  Speaker 1: But it's still in my heart though you know it's
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  Speaker 1: in it's in my heart. Don't quartet us now, because
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  Speaker 1: you know we'll go up. You know, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: in an extra singing spirit, because why.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, y'all don't know my brother.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, we're talking about the a true worship Her, you guys, like.
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  Speaker 2: That's where we met.
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  Speaker 1: We met at the at the conference of conferences, the
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  Speaker 1: Profeta cun Okay, I know y'all heard us talk about
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  Speaker 1: Coach D's Profeta cun Her conference.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's called the Unchurch conference.
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  Speaker 1: Be looking out for that. But we met there. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Every time every time my
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  Speaker 1: brother hit the stage, things shift, like things fall off,
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  Speaker 1: things just happen, all right, and big things all the
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  Speaker 1: punt intended happened because he is just so submitted to God.
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  Speaker 1: My guy is an award winning artist. Okay, let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you albums Okay, and the albums are albuming, albuming.
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  Speaker 2: When the children would say they'll put an ing on everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they are doing They are doing damage to hell
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  Speaker 1: right now as we speak. Somebody and they call right
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  Speaker 1: now saying God's getting ready to do something big for
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  Speaker 1: my life.
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  Speaker 2: At least once a week, once a week. I gotta
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  Speaker 2: hear that. I gotta hear that, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: He is a father, he's a husband, he's a pastor,
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  Speaker 1: he's an educator. I don't think there's anything that he
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  Speaker 1: has an experienced or done, and when he does it,
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  Speaker 1: he does it well. Okay, we're super excited to have
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  Speaker 1: my brother, our friend, our homeboy, pastor and Rique.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, thank y'all so much for having me. I'm so
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  Speaker 5: overjoyed that, first of all, you even asked me to
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  Speaker 5: be here, and I'm grateful that it planned out as
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  Speaker 5: well as it did.
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  Speaker 2: It planned out so well.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, when you told me at the unchurch
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  Speaker 1: comference in December and you looked at me and you
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  Speaker 1: was like, you're doing so well, And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you see me, like because you're a big deal, Like
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  Speaker 1: you're such a big deal. It was like you see me,
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  Speaker 1: And so I was super excited when you was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be on and I'm a calm and
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  Speaker 1: you here, can y'all see him?
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  Speaker 2: He right now? How are you?
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  Speaker 3: And rique? I am good?
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm really good and I mean it like I
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  Speaker 5: remember in twenty twenty three, I was saying I'm good
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  Speaker 5: and I wasn't and then life like hit really hard.
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  Speaker 5: But it feels so good to be in a place
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  Speaker 5: where I can say, like, I really am good and
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  Speaker 5: mean it like it's not a cover up, it's not
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  Speaker 5: the churchy answer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really like I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we be lying.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we did it that we call it. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just speaking into this faith talk or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But really and truly we be broken. We have things
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  Speaker 2: going on. What was going on in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 5: Twenty twenty three, I was at a one of the
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  Speaker 5: lowest places of my life where I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Think I fully healed from things.
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  Speaker 5: That happened during the pandemic in my life period, and
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  Speaker 5: it felt like my life was caving in. Things were
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  Speaker 5: still moving in my life, you know, family, all those
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  Speaker 5: different things, but I got to a low place where
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  Speaker 5: I was at. She then we was like planning thoughts
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  Speaker 5: of suicide. In my head and I believe I tell
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  Speaker 5: I tell the story when when I feel that to
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  Speaker 5: like I feel that the devil knew I wouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 5: But the fact that for the first time in my
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  Speaker 5: life the thought even entered my mind, I knew I
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  Speaker 5: had got into a place where I needed God and counseling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I and I got into a place.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so grateful for my wife because she didn't judge me,
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  Speaker 5: Like when I told her like I'm struggling and we
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  Speaker 5: sat on the carpet and I just wept and just
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  Speaker 5: poured everything out to her. She's just she cried with
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  Speaker 5: me and was like, let's do whatever we need, you know,
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  Speaker 5: to get you where you need to be. And I'm
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  Speaker 5: so grateful that I successfully made it through that storm.
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  Speaker 2: Man shout out, shout out to bab.
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  Speaker 1: Me and Desert Ray was, Uh, if you had made
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  Speaker 1: that post when y'all was had just got me and
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  Speaker 1: he was like, let's talk about I know no, but
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  Speaker 1: that's so I love that you brought that up because
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  Speaker 1: in our community, especially Black community, and let's even just
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  Speaker 1: go deeper into that like the spiritual, the the the church,
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  Speaker 1: and I've heard I've heard both sides of the story
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  Speaker 1: like oh you need therapy or oh you only need Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you're a pastor for
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  Speaker 1: one and you're you were able to say that I
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  Speaker 1: needed therapy as a black man. So what is what
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  Speaker 1: do you think the big fear is as we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Father's Day and with you being having the experience
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  Speaker 1: as a black man, what do you think the hardship
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  Speaker 1: is is making that that step towards therapy.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's there's several factors. Just first of all,
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  Speaker 5: just the lack of knowledge. We've always just been taught
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  Speaker 5: that therapy is for crazy people, and you know, you're
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  Speaker 5: being crazy if if you do go to therapy.
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  Speaker 3: I feel that sometimes people.
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  Speaker 5: Feel that they're not walking by faith if they use
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  Speaker 5: other resources other than our typical traditional churchy things like
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  Speaker 5: pray about it and you know, fast and we you know,
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  Speaker 5: especially been a prophetic person, yeah, where you have walked
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  Speaker 5: people through deliverance and things like that, It's like sometimes
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  Speaker 5: like wait a minute, Like I'm able to do that
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  Speaker 5: with other people, but why do I you know, and
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  Speaker 5: I just I feel like there's.
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  Speaker 3: A stigma that's attached to it.
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  Speaker 5: But I feel that there's something empowering when you can
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  Speaker 5: lay your pride aside and just say, hey, no, I
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  Speaker 5: am still going to God because God has given me
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  Speaker 5: this resource.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, God, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And I went to a Christian therapist and so everything
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  Speaker 5: that that she was giving me was lace in the
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  Speaker 5: Word of God. So it wasn't it wasn't trying to
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  Speaker 5: pull me to things of this world to heal or process.
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  Speaker 5: It was like, no, this scripture, this week's assignment is
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  Speaker 5: leaning into to the prison of God. Because if I
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  Speaker 5: be honest, I was My relationship with the Lord had become.
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  Speaker 5: It had become based on if I had engagements coming up,
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  Speaker 5: meaning like I wasn't just spending time with God to
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  Speaker 5: spend time with God.
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  Speaker 3: I was spending time with God for a word for
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  Speaker 3: the church.
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  Speaker 5: I had to preach at or spending time with God
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  Speaker 5: so that I could make sure I was in a
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  Speaker 5: place to lead people into worship. And so what I
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  Speaker 5: was doing was when I would go and poor, I
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  Speaker 5: was pouring from my personal reservoir versus pouring from my overflow.
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  Speaker 5: So now I'm in a place where I spend time
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  Speaker 5: with God just to spend time with Him. And when
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  Speaker 5: I go out people are getting the overflow of my
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  Speaker 5: relationship with him. I'm not leaving that place empty, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And sometimes we would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'm leaving here empty. No, like why would I leave
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  Speaker 5: empty and y'all leaving full. So it's like I took
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  Speaker 5: that cape off, like well, I got to be this
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  Speaker 5: super hero. No, I'm human and I need God just
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  Speaker 5: like you need God.
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  Speaker 3: We all need them, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And so I feel that that's what kind of broke
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  Speaker 5: down those barriers, when I felt when I finally got
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  Speaker 5: beyond myself and beyond my pride to realize, like the helper.
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  Speaker 2: Needs help, that the helper needs help.
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  Speaker 1: You you you you hitting on the target or what
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  Speaker 1: the Lord told me, you going down a good lane.
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  Speaker 1: Because I know that that is so serious because when
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  Speaker 1: you think about the worshiper and you think about let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about the worship space, especially in the church setting. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, and I'm going to say this very freely,
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  Speaker 1: are the most pimped out UH.
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  Speaker 2: Ministry in the church.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to say that bolder because that's what
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  Speaker 1: I've seen is not what I've heard, is not You
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  Speaker 1: guys are pimped out and I and I not by everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say that, not by everybody, but I've
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  Speaker 1: seen it to where there has been there has been damaged.
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  Speaker 1: That's done because now I got this person that can
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  Speaker 1: sing and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not actually pouring into them. I'm paying them enough
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  Speaker 2: to do something.
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  Speaker 1: I'm employing them, and I'm not trying to see if
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  Speaker 1: their soul is healthy.
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  Speaker 2: What has been your experience in there?
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  Speaker 1: And how do you maintain because I know you're you're
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  Speaker 1: with Apostle Jenny's right, Yes, we love him, Okaypsogen one
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  Speaker 1: day down together, Okay, had no idea.
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  Speaker 2: We was like, how he gets both us the same?
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  Speaker 3: How did he know?
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  Speaker 2: But it was shout out to you, Apostogen. That's another day.
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  Speaker 1: But how what is your if you find if someone
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  Speaker 1: was to find themselves in that space, right, what would
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  Speaker 1: be your advice to them and managing their relationship with
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  Speaker 1: God to make sure that they're not in this place
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  Speaker 1: space of being pimped out.
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  Speaker 5: To be honest, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real
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  Speaker 5: with y'all. I got a job and I've kept the job,
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  Speaker 5: so I don't have to say yes to anything that
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to. And I feel that it's not everybody,
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  Speaker 5: because some people, you know, make money, make enough money
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  Speaker 5: from royalties, investments, all these different things. But I feel
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  Speaker 5: that sometimes when the thing that you're gifted at becomes
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  Speaker 5: your sole means of income, you'll say yes.
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  Speaker 3: To things that you don't want to because you need
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  Speaker 3: to keep your lights on.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: And so I'm not coming against nobody, but I've realized,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: like I've since I was eighteen years old, I've had
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: a job. I was in banking for eight years before
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: I transitioned over into education and now I'm a teacher
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: and I've got my master's, I'm getting my Tier one certification.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I recently two days ago, just got accepted to my
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: PhD program. And so it's like I'm leaning into this
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: other gift that God has given me as attains to youth.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: But I thank God for my pastor, a possible Travis Jennings,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: who has instilled in me just being in value. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: one of the models that he's always said is like
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: our church is a place where you're celebrated and not tolerated.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: And so that it's in the church where I where
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: my gift was developed.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Is it a church where I've found the love for.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Youth and and and so when my when my assignment
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: as youth pastor ended, I was wrapping up my degree
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: and teaching and went straight into the school. Since I've
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: been there finished going four years, and I've already been
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: able to acquire a degree to become an assistant principal.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: And this next thing would be for me to become
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: a principal, which ultimately I've been opened up my own
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: school and things like that, And so I'm grateful for
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: And I currently worship at Belonged Church. I'm a pastor
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Lebrin and pastor or Nikka friend. And even with that,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: I've seen this value of him checking in with me
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: just to say, hey, how are you? And and so
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I feel that I've created these boundaries for myself to
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: where and it's always been in my head like I'm
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: keeping the job so that when I go to churches,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I'll say yes, even if their budget is not where
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: it needs to be best. So and so, I mean
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: I don't mean that for anyone, Like sometimes people will
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: try to try to lowball you and pimp you out
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: on all these kind of things, and they have it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: But they'll try to say down here, like I'm not
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: saying my team has a hearnment, but if God is
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: leading me to go somewhere that may not have the
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: budget that you know it would take to bring whatever
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: I paid my team out of pocket before, or I've
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: got an honorarium and paid my musicians and singers and
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: went home with enough for gas, you know, in my
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: earlier years. Because I'm like, like I want to be
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: because I got a job, So I'm like, I'll be
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: able to just take care of myself.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I'll take care of y'all.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: But I feel like, as long as you do the
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: work of keeping your yes three sixty five pure, you
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: won't say yes to doors that God is not calling
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: you through. So can't nobody use you if you don't
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: put yourself in the hands as a tool.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: You just helped me out so much.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Listen, like when I tell you he's so, He's so
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: on it right now, because that's not just for like
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: even the worship sector, that's for every sect of God's giving.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: God's giving me the responsibility just as right and desiree
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and always I always talk about the idea of I
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: know that we're supposed to do business together, entrepreneurship and
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: all that stuff like that. So the things that we
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: we go pay and we all sacrifice and we go
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: serve at certain places to do because God is leading
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: us there. It's because God is leading us there and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: He's providing that way. And so even with you're saying, hey,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I'm multifaceted for a reason, that's what I heard. I heard,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I am multifaceted for a reason. Goddn just make me
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a worshiper. God didn't just make me an artist. God
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: is giving me the rim of education, like and you
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: love it and you embrace it so much. How did
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you even get to the point where you said I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: wanted to be an educator shout out.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: To my students at Frederick Douglass. But no, like my
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: pastor brother sat it to me, I didn't even like
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: kids like that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: When I first came to the ministry.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: It's been as I was a kid, but us I
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: was seventeen years old and I've been a part of
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Harvest for seventeen years. And when I came in that's why,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: like when people down the church, I came join in
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: and subscribe to those things because it's honestly, whether the
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: church was the first place that applauded me. And if
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: church was first place, even when I wasn't good, they
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: gave me opportunities to get in front. So when I
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: public speaking at things, I learned that in the church,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: being able to move a crowd. I've learned that in
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: the church, and even the gift to desire to wanna.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: My pastor made me the youth pastor. And I wasn't
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: even ordained minister. And I was bad when I first fell,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: was bad to the bone. I was expelled from county,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: suspended every week. And that same attitude when I got saved,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: it traveled on over to the church. So I didn't
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: listen to nobody but my pastor. So I was the fighter.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I was fighting folks in the parking lot of the church.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I was in the pastor's office like every week for
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: something because I didn't cut somebody out, told somebody out.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: But the orders delivering me from Cussom says two thousand
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: and nine.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I know the Yeah, I know what God got it
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: about me, you know?
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: And no, but it was there, like my pastor he
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: saw in me because I started naturally connecting with the youth,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: because I knew what it felt like to not have
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: a father growing up and feeling like abandoned or things
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: And so I was there.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: And I knew what it felt like when somebody kept
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: their word with me, like you had my respect. And
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: so even with my students, my dad he prophesied to
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: me and not knowing that youth ministry was preparing me
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: for a ministure on a larger level where I have
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: over a thousand students at my school that I'm connecting
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: with that they're coming to me for counseling and I'm
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: directing them buying them Bibles because they follow me on
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: social media, so they're saying my life and coming to
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: church with me on Sundays and things of that nature.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: And so I just.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Felt God on that because it's honestly like I'm being
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: able to pour into my younger self through my students,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: and it's an assignment. God has me here and and
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: He's just been growing me up in it. So I'm
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: the reason why I want to go into administration because
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: I feel like it'll pull me out of the classroom
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: to be able.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: To reach more students at a time.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: But I've literally been able to find my footing in
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: education it's not just a job that I'm collecting a
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: check from everybody. No, teachers don't make a whole bunch
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: of money for the work that we're doing because it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: beyond the classroom.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: But the fulfillment that I get.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Just by knowing that I'm doing the work of God,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: beyond music, beyond what I do at church on Sundays,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: like I am literally where God wants me to be.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That's so good.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So would you say, because you just said before you ended,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: that you're able to pour into them as if they
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: were you back in the day. So would you say
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that that's part of your healing process, how you able
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to heal yourself?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Like, so, I love that you. You're bringing up a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: lot of topics that I wanted to bring up.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Everything You're doing such a good job, come on, come on,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness. So, my my curiosity is that because
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I know that you you were raised by your mom, and.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: You're originally from Atlanta, George.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: The really Grady Hospital Atlanta.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: You know, she was like, Dad is not Atlanta.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: You don't get no more Atlanta than they're born in
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Grady Hospital.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: But so do you.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And I was curious to know, and I didn't find
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: this out, so I wanted to know this. It's like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: was there ever a relationship introduction with your father?
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: There was an opportunity that he could have taken. He
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: just chose not to. I remember. I remember he would
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: pick my siblings up and I would be at the
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: house with my mom and so and my mom she
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: was just you know, my siblings we had like a
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: whole healing session where they felt like I was favored.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: My mom showed me favoritism, but really she was trying
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: to overcompensate for the rejection that she knew I was
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: feeling as a as a young young boy. And so
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I never grew up with my father, and so it
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: was all I knew was my mom. And so I
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: have your men in my school right now who caught
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: who referred to me as pops.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: They test me right now.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: My phone never go down, like you know, Pops, you
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: made it to Alabama, things like that, And but it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: like I'm able to be a father figure to them.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Some of them have great fathers, you know.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: But one thing I have learned is that that sometimes
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: people can you can have father figures that are like
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: I believe y'all mentioned how sometimes we can have a
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: deficit growing up. Like it's like my father was good
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: in this area, but I was lacking in that area,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: you know. And I feel like I've been filling in
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: those gaps. You know, yesterday I was at their football game.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Lord knows, I was tired, but because they asked me,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: I told him I was going to show up, and
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: I showed up and things of that nature. So it
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: feels it it's almost as if, like you said, I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: healing by being there for them, and because my goal
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: is I went through that so that you wouldn't have to.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: So I'm filling in some of those gaps. And you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: and it's it's a hard word because you know, they're
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: not my biological kids, right, you know, I get on them,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I whoop them, I fussed them out and all those
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: different and they at the end of the day, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: looking by coming session on my posts, they fill it
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: up every time. But it's it's like I'm not with
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: them twenty four to seven and I'm just now getting
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: with them while they're teenagers. So it's like a lot
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: of things and I'm but sis, I'm gonna tell you this,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: God has been teaching me grace because I'm I was like,
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I was hard, like really hard to the point I'm like,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I'm done with you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I ain't talking the.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: More because you because you know better, you shouldn't be
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: doing whatever. But God has been teaching me grace through
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: the weeds, through the through the lion, through the telling
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: me that you ain't doing this. And then I talked
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: my students how to snitch.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: And they don't care. They like bump them street codes.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: No, they send screenshots because they like, hey, you, I promise,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: they said, screenshots. They'll tell on each other in each
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: other's face. You know, ain't miss home. So and so
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: did this, so and so was doing this this weekend.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: They'll trying to hide their stories from me. They'll record it,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: send it to me on some light and it ain't
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: even on up. I'm just trying to get you in trouble.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: It's it's them saying like, I know you want to
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: mister Holmes his kids, and I don't want you.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Represent him in a way that you know whatever.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: And so it's like we're learning though those rhythms and
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: I'm learning to not be like I'm done with you,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: but raper saying I'm disappointed in what you did.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: But I'm not disappointed in.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You because that's a difference. It's a difference, and that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a difference because you know when we grow when we
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: grew up and we're seeing things and we're dealing with things,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and we've been told, oh, I'm just pointed in you,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that's like almost like a work like it's like so
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: it's like you you realize that what you know where
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to place the disappointment that is so that's so free
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and it's so good.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: But I'm hearing you talking about these kids.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: But that gotta be a different level of learning because
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: now you're a diddy.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what I'm cool.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: How has biological fatherhood changed you?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: And what?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I guess the better question would be how has Cooper
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: shown you like a deeper revelation of fatherhood?
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: It been with Cooper, like I cry on the drop
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: her down by my son and my wife was just
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: playing with me this morning. She was she sent it
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: to our group chat that was a video of this
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: this father, what this this little boy? He was crying
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: his father had to sneak out the house because anytime
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: that dad leads, he just shows out. And Brianna was like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: if Cooper does this and Rique turning back around and
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: they know, but it showed me. It's really giving me
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: an insight into unconditional love. Like I never knew I
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: could love someone like this. I thought getting married to
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: my wife that was this, you know, this great love.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: But having a child that depends on you and I'm
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: able to it amazes me that I'm able to be
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: an amazing father to my son. But I did not
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: have a father at his age. I've been able to
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: expose my son to things that I never experienced until
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: I became older. And so having Cooper has really opened
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: up my eyes to how God has always been there
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: for me from day one, like he was my father.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: And the Bible says like if your mother or your
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: father will say you like, he'll be there. And so
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: it's it and it makes me mad sometimes it's well
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: because I often say to my wife like I just
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: could not imagine and how a father or a mother
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: could not be there for their child, like just seeing
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: him lights of my world, Like I can't go a
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: day without seeing him, you know, or or just seeing
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: a smile or what all those things and so and so, yeah,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: like it's really giving me a.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Revelation of forgiveness.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: I've been able to really forgive my father for not
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: being there for me by also saying I won't be
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: that and I'm gonna my son will never know. I
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: said to Cooper all the time, You'll never know what
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: it's like to be without me.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful point that you just made,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: because sometimes we can get in the point where I'll
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: never be like this person but harbor anger.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And so the thing about doing this simultaneously is how
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: do you do?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: What does that look?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: It's hard, It's hard.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: It's so hard to it's hard to navigate both spaces
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: because it's a reality of I did not have this,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: but I'm giving something that I did not have, and
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: and and.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it, but it's for me.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: It really, Everybody want to be a curse breaker until
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: it's how to be a curse breaker, you know what
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Everybody want to be the first until it's time to
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: be the first.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: It's a heavy lift, but somebody has to lift it
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: because Cooper not gonna have to lift it. Cooper's not
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: about to have to have to slay a giant that
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: I refuse to kill him. So by being consistent in
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: my son's life. I'm tearing down a good lion that
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: made it through my blood line, you know, And so
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Cooper would be able to always say my father was there,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: my father was present, my father was there, even though
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: that wasn't my testimony, And and I just realized, I
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: realized that God allows everything.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: He's sovereign.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: And I just always think if I had that, would
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: I be the person I am today? And the answer
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: is no, because a lot of the decisions that I
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: make are based on the life that I that I
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: grew upliving, you know what I mean, And so not
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: trying to prove anything, but making sure I don't repeat anything.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is so good. A question that just
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: keeps going out, trying to get from away from it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But I just keep hearing someone just leaning too. It
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: is that the idea of your your your relationship with
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Apostle Jennies and your relationship with him. When you when
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you say dad, when are you referring to him?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Just to be very clear, he's calling Apostle Jennie's dead.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, So with.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You not having your father and experiencing frustration, rejection, pain,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: how in the world do you open up to somebody
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: like apostle Jenny.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm gonna tell a good story. I'm
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: telling a story.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: This story about to go go viral because Ali, it
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: sounds like it's made up.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: But I promise it is not.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: My grandma was the supervisor of several MacDonald's just throughout
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: my entire child. That so she had money and she's.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: A slipping money every Sunday everything, you know, the holos.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: She was in Veno hoologost handshakes.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: And but she got me a job at Matt Donald's
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Centerville Highway, Snellville, Georgia. And I worked there. I ain't
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: want to, but you know, my girl, but you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: she got me here easy. I was bad, but I
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: would take like two hour breaks and not clock out
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: somebody because I was still bad. I was, that was
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: my bad face. And and I I was in the
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: drive through and this guy came through the drive through
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: and was like, you know, can I have a fish
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: fillet meal? And I want to launch because my dad
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: like he used to be like heavier like and he
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: lost so much weight and so he would come he
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: want his.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Friest fresh and large for fresh, and I'm like I.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Don't know why, Jess, but I was like they always
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: for like giving him this crazy attitude just out of
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: the blue, like uh, now you come to one of
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: the next win though, like just rule, pull up and
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: park over there, we'll bring it out to you.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Purposely forget about him. And so he came in to
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the It was like, hey, you and I been waiting
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: for friends or whatever. Just give an attitude whatever, And so
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: give him his food and he comes to again and
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I give him the same attitude.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: And one night, it's a true story. One night, I'm
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: at home. We didn't have cable, but if you had
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: an antenna, you got certain channels, and that was a
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: TV station. There's still is a TV station, channel fifty
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: seven in Georgia.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And it was late one night.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: And I was just flipping through channels trying to find
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: something to watch.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: And guess who comes on the TV Apostle.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Gens this man that I have been ruled to every
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: time he comes through this Matt Donald's drive through. So
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: in my mind, I grew up Baptists, and one thing
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: the Baptist church taught you was you do not disrespect
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: no passer, and so everything is like okay, the next
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: time he comes through, I'm gonna give him stellar service,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: all this kind of stuff, you know whatever. And I
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: watched that whole service. They would shouting and all this
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff like we didn't do that Baptis chants.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, oh my god, you know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: And so no, lie, he never came back because they
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: end up moving, So he never came back through. But
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: at my high school, a guy named Tommy Cody started playing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I had a little single group of high school came through.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: He started playing, started playing for for the group.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: It was God, Enrique Holmes and the Power Praise.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Wait now so the Gladys and the Pills.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: But real it was my music teacher who saved, like
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: really to save my life.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: He came up with this group or ever and and
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Temmy started playing.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: He ended up playing for us, invited us to his church.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: He was like, Hey, I want to invite you out
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: to our church fifth Sunday for family friends Sunday, not
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: to sing or anything, just to come. And so we
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: me and my sister, we we went and we visited
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: that fifth Sunday and we sat in the bag and
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: we're just up there, praise and worship is going on
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: and the pastor walks in, but he's walking away in
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: the back.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: He's walking in.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: He turns around and I sit down and literally just
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: and my sister on it was like, what are you doing?
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I was like, and he said he cut he saw
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: me as well. Wow, and was like he told past Stepane,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: That I know that boy from somewhere.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: And right before he got to preach, he said he
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: told her that's that demon from Matt Donalds that I
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: was telling you about the demon that tell me about
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: and we talked that the service. I apologize him and
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: from there that was seventeen years ago. Seventeen years ago
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: when I came to the Hartsibonaco, and since then it
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: was like he was he was the father that I
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: never had, that I needed, Like I opened up to
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: him about everything in my life. He's never dropped me.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: He was the first first person that rebute me, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: that really just pointed me in a direction that God
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: really wanted me to go in. And it's no dit
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: to any other other male figures I've had plenty RP.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Reverend Carrie Harris, who who helped rear me and you
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: know my godparents, like like really just with those father figures.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: But this is the first pastor that I.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Had that really had my destiny like in his mouth,
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: and he spoke to that part of me that I
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: did not know about jazz.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I had never known about prophetic.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I never knew about speaking in tongues, shouting prophesience, singing
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: the song of the Lord. And he taught me, Enrique,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: the Lord is about to let you. You're gonna singing
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: beyond the track. So once the track end, God's gonna
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: give you something to say. And from there seventeen years,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: he's been developing me and just really it healed parts
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: to me that I honestly tried to bury under rejection.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: He has healed parts from of me that I try
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: to bury under rejection. Because we listen, I've dealt with
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that rejection thing. And one thing rejections say tell you
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: is that you can do it by yourself. You'll need
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: nobody because you don't want to feel that rejection again,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: because it's.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Like a stab to the heart.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm forever harming myself, but there's no death,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Like I can't I can't die from this, but I
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: can harm myself in the pain. Can I can feel
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: this pain. It's like it's just a never ending pain.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: But that's so beautiful. So now I'm curious as to
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: what was the conversation, Like when you said I wanted
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to date your daughter.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Weird because we were raised like siblings, like, but we
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: didn't get along, Me and briand didn't get along because
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: we're me and Travis, who is the oldest. He was
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: like we were best friends. I don't know if you've
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: ever seen the movie Step Brothers, but our entire relationship
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: was built around how they were brothers, and so we
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: were just bad to the ball, like and Brianna would
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: do little bad stuff.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I think she had a crush on me, but she
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: would do like little.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Bad stuff, like like she was like, you know, Dad
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: don't want to learn how to drive, and so he
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: would take the car from us. We were using the
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: car and let her use it, like to learn how
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: to drive and stuff. But it was just like I
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: think she was just whatever. But I was her youth
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: pastor as well because I was just like a few years.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Older than them.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: But once she graduated, most of the youth would stay
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: coming to youth Bible stuff you think of, you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: youth Bible study. She immediately stopped coming up there. I
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: think she liked me, and I think she knew something.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: But she went to college and we would talk more
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: and more and more.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: And.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just it naturally turned into something. And we
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: tried to lie and come up with like this life,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: how I was gonna tell that and all this kind
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: of stuff, but Pat Stephanie already knew, and so I
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: went and sat down, had a one on one with him,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: and she had a one.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: On one with him, and it was it was it
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: was rocky. I ain't gonna lie. It was definitely rocky.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: We re mem Brionna.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: We dated for like two to three years and then
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: we broke up for like two to three years.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: We broke up for three to four years, like like
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: three and a half years.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: So how old were y'all when y'all started dating it originally?
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: So we got back together. We got married twenty twenty two.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: We got back together twenty November of twenty twenty one,
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: so we had been broken up.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Since like twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: And wow, this is this, this is crazy, and so
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: like twenty fifteen that was wow, that like ten years ago.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Like no, like that was crazy. But we broke up.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: We broke up for a minute.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: We broke with for like three years, but during that
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: time of breakup we were heartbroken.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Butt we built. Browna acquired her first house. I did.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: She traveled the world. I chopped the world, and it
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: grew us up. That's some of the timing of God.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Because if we.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Would have got married when we when we thought we
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: wanted to get mad and when we thought we wanted
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: it and needed, we would have been divorced because we
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: were both immature, we were both selfish, we were both
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: too dependent on outside opinions of what we should be
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: and looked like, and all those kinds of things. And
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: so I'm just grateful just the timing of God. And
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: I'm grateful for parents who just supportive, you know, like
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: and even since we've had Cooper, like our.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Parents, they love our son.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: But me and Browna, we've been able to create like
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: our own family and our own boundaries and how we
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: do things and how we live and all those things.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: And so it's been beautiful.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: No, y'all, like seeing y'all. You'll see the pictures, you
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: know how some people pictures be fake. No, like y'all,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing y'all in person well before prior to Cooper
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and prior to you know, all this stuff, and just
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: just you just genuinely happy, Like I just do you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: feel that? Doesn't way like just the genuineness in his
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and his happiness and you don't get that all the time.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And so I'm I was really curious. I was like,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: how did that work out to where he was like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I called my dad.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: At first, I was like, it didn't work out.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: It was confused to me.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: There was like World War Doc gone three. It didn't
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: work out at first, Like.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: We we we literally broke up and did not talk.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: So at what point did you know she was your wife?
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: I thought I knew the first go round. I thought
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I knew the first go around.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: And I contemplated, like, after we broke up, I ain't
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: getting married mm because I'm not finna go through that
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: again because that felt too much like rejection, you know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: And so I went three years and then my best
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: friend Phil we was I even stopped going over their
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: house for like Sunday dinners and all that kind of stuff.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Yoh yeah it did, Oh yes, it did for for over.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Three years, and one day my brother, my vesselor, and
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Phil his wife. They were going over to my parents'
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: house for Sunday dinner and she was like you should come.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I'm not coming, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: and so she was like you should come, like for real,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: you should come. And so I was like, I'm not coming.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: I made a left out of the church parking lot
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: to go home, and I end up testing like, hey,
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I'm on the way, went over there. The conversation at
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: the table, this is my first time over there in years,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: you know, in this setting, and the conversation just kind
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: of went that way, and Phil and Christina that they
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: ended up asking, like in front of family, so why
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: haven't y'all tried again? And I was like I don't know, Like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: you know, I love her all the kind of things,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: but I don't know. After that, I called her the
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: next day, was like, this is November twenty twenty one.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I caught it was like, hey, you know, I would
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: like to go out to eat. We went to Houston's
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: in Atlanta, and from there we decided that we wanted
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: to just try it again.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And that's a big That's a big deal though, like
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people will say I don't I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: don't want to ever like you. You had already professed like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: oh I don't want to get married, but it's gonn
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: feel like that. But it was really because you knew
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: in your heart that she was your one like and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: so for the fact that you would, you are so brave,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like no, like real talk like you are so brave
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: because I'm wanting to.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Be like again, you ain't got it fool me once.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, you see this finger is empty, and it's so
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: empty for right now Jesus.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Right now.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: But that's how it was like. And we went out
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: to eat November. It's like maybe September November, but December
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: about a ring right before Christmas January I proposed and
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: then except the September of twenty twenty two, got married
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: and this year made three years of marriage. And so
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: it's it hasn't been it hasn't been perfect. But but
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: pre medal counselor prepared us. We did pre medal counseling
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: with Bishop Brian and Lady dev They were peers and
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: they prepared us. We took a break during our counseling,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: like we shut our counselor down, said, nah, we ain't
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: moving until we get over this whatever, Like it was
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: real and I'm just so grateful we were real with
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: each other. And the thing is we were we are
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: best friends, so like all that little face up, we
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: ain't faking it till we make it. Yeah, we ain't
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: gonna fake for nobody, Like we ain't coming because we ain't.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Our friends, our friends that invited us to eat there,
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: our friends us out to eat and we told them
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: we not coming because we ain't.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: We ain't in that space. We don't have the energy
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: to be put on in the front of y'all. No,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: we're not coming.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: That's so good because we are, Like I society will
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: teach you like, oh, you know, just just show face.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Because I want to show
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you don't really.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: Want to show your face, so right, and it's gonna
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: be just a blank stare because I don't got it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: And it's not to say that, like you can't plow
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: through them, you know when you need to do whatever.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: But we can't make it to that game night because
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: we ain't where we need to be right now, and
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: we need to do this work on getting us where
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: we need to be. But we'll range at that and
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: we're real about it, you know what I mean. And
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: so I appreciate the honesty. Even in twenty twenty three
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: when I went through that season, it was just moments
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: of a moment of honesty. But to just sit down
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: like this is what I'm going through, this is what's
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: happening in.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: My life, and this is what I need, you know
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: And so our family, our family, like our little family
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: that we built and then our overall family is as
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: we're just in a great place.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: That's so good. That's so good. Man.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I know, I know you got you gotta be somewhere.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: So I got one more question for you, because this
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: this personal for me. Your music has, like we said
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: in again, it just has blessed.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Me personally.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And I know your viewers, your I don't like saying
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: things your followers. It's something about your anointing that it's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: just it's pure and it seems like there's a story
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: behind everything that you've written. And specifically speaking about this song,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: it's not on the last album.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I can't think of the album at its on, but
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: we'll stay here an way.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Listen, I where how do you construct like this art
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: of worship?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Like what are you what, what are your Where do
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: you have to be? Do you do? You just go
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: in your room in the quiet space?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So do you driving? Like I'm just like, how do
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: you get this work of art to lift up to God?
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: Honestly, a lot of my songs come from the flows
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: that the Lord gives me when I'm leading worship, and
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: so it'll be a moment like even you're gonna see it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: The song I did with Keilante, that song during the
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: pandemic I sung at All Nations Atlanta, and when I
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: got up there, I wanted to just kind of feel
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: the atmosphere out a little bit, and I was just like,
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: tell me, who can stap me?
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Just started singing that little line. And a year later, I.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Was like, that's a song, Like let me let me
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: write to that. And even something big. I was in
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: the service and I just started declaring over the people,
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: God's getting ready to do something big in my life,
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: and we just it went and Dante bo saying, rique
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: we need Like that's a song, bro, Like you need
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: to do something with that, and so wrote that. But
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: it's like those moments, those spontaneous moments in worship moments,
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: and I ain't gonna lie when I when I write,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I don't write if I'm not inspired. I'm not one
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: of them people, Like there's songwriters out here who like, hey,
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: I need to write some songs, let me go.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: And I ain't inspired. I'm not writing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: But the Lord will like And my my sacred place,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: I'm telling y'all my sikerself, it's the bathroom.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I don't even I don't I don't even have to,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: like not even using the restume.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Like I would literally close the toilet, sit on top
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: of it, bring a little table in and sit there
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: and I would just write sermons, songs, all.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Those kinds of things.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know, Like it's just it's maybe it's like
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: a man thing like me and for two hours and
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: forget while we went in there, get me to use
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: the restroom?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: What about doing?
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: But no, like it's like those moments and it's like
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: God breathes on it. I can tell when a when
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: a song is for the world or when it's just
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: a song that.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: God gave me for me.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: And and so it's some of those moments where we'll
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: let the world in on my worship with the Lord.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: If he tells me this is something for an album
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: something for the world, but if it's something where I
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: was in worship and that song minister to me, like
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: it's I think it's a difference between a song that
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: God was ministering to you with, yeah, and then sometimes
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: that song that got minister to you with years later
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: he'll say, now you can minister to other people with it,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: but let it do the work in you first. And
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: so songs like that like worked the way that song
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: that was a flow when we were practicing for the album,
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: I literally just started flowing into that and rehearse and
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: I said, I think that might that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: And so we did it.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: We we end up flowing into it doing that recording
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: for the Try Again album, and it wreaded us.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: It wretted us.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: And so even on this new album, the You're Gonna
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: See An album, after I sung here Waiting with Tila, Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, say here and wait on you and.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: The people just I thought that, you know whatever, and
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: I noticed, like that's one of my most played songs,
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: my top five play songs, And it's just something like wow,
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: like God, you're really using stuff that you gave me.
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  Speaker 3: It ain't gonna lie. Some people are master writing for me.
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  Speaker 5: I get blown away every single time when the song
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: hits the way it does, you know.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, that that's pretty much my little secret.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Like a song will come in a moment when I'm
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: traveling or something like and I'm flowing. Yeah, And then
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: got to tell me, like if he wants me to
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: go and write verses and build it out and and
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: that's what it is, that's what it'll be.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. That's the beautiful thing about the prophetic.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And some people get.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Confused about the PROFETI but they don't understand, Like God
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: just really like and I'm not I'm not surprised, but
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I think you're so brilliant that it was like, what's
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: your structure?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Like, what's what's your strategy? Because I don't know how
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: you come up with cause it hit every time without fail. Desiraate,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I got to hear from you, man.
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  Speaker 3: So here we go.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Oh on the word camera, help my camera stop?
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Stop stop painting on daz. There we go, there you
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  Speaker 3: there you go.
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  Speaker 2: I did that. Man.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I've been so inspired. I love to sit in here
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and just listening and and what God keeps one theme
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: that he keeps bringing back to me is the importance
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: of owning your mountain of influence. That's so good, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like God knew before you even
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: got here that you' supposed to be an education you
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And what I what I'm so
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: grateful for, is that you didn't allow your earlier situations
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and circumstances to keep you from leaning into what he
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: was saying for you. And so not only are you
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: in the classroom, but he's elevating you to be in
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: a position where you can make legislation, you know what
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, where you can actually change the landscape of
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: what education looks like. And there's so many more people
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: who has that mantle in that grace who haven't quite
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: tapped into that, but I think it's so beautiful that
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you have. So that's just what kept coming to me
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: as I'm as I think about myself, like I've been
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: doing here since I was twelve. I so i started
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: out as a license cosmtologist, So in my mind, I'm
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: just a cosmetologist. But here these last few years, he's
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: been opening up, opening up this mountain of media, this
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: mountain of you know, entertainment, and I still don't fully
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: know what that looks like, but I'm like, let me
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: just lean into that because that's what the that's the trajectory.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: And even if I look back over my life, I've
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: had some type of camera in my hand since i
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: can remember. You know what I'm saying, but I didn't
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: think and think of it. So I'm just excited. Thank
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you for coming and sharing your story, giving us a
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: little insight into who mister Enrique years. I think sometimes
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: people think they know you just because they follow you
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: on social media, but I love when we get to
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: have conversations, when we really get to hear the heart
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: behind the person. So I'm just so grateful, So thank you.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Honored to be here and this could be.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Home, this could be home.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Listen, he up, listen, I know you got something coming up,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Like can you tell us you got another album?
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I actually am going to release the deluxe
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: version of You're Gonna See It. So doing my album
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: released concert for the original You're going to See It,
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: I brought some other friends on to just kind of
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: re imagine some songs, so Manifestation. I'll be releasing that
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: on the lux with Jeffrey Golden as the feature and
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: then Dante bo Is on You're Gonna See It, and
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: y'all already heard firm Foundation where he's able with Kimily Joy.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: There's some other little things that will be on there.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: And then we're currently planning like a summerfall, and so
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: we're gonna be coming to some cities near near y'all,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: and so pull up on us and and let's let's
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: honestly but but the thing is the reason why didn't
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: rush into a tourist because I really want this to
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: be an experience, like you're gonna see it. It's not
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: just an album title. But I really believe that as
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: we come together doing these services and doing these experiences,
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: that people will literally.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: See what they've like literally been saying yeah.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: And so I don't want it to just be like, oh,
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: we coming, everybody, come on there, hear the album by
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: a shirt whatever, but no, like, make sure you bring
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: your expectation, you know what I mean. And so I'm
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: just really believing God that this's gonna be that's gonna
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: be that thing that kind of tips the scale for
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: some people and they're gonna really see manifestations happen before
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: their eyes.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Well, does a right We gotta go. You already know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: and so we gotta go. We gotta be in a building. Okay,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: so because we support Okay.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: So listen.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: The tradition of just ass is to allow our guests
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to have the final word.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: We've said a lot.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: We talked about how you know fatherhood and how you
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: know you sustain.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Your marriage with your beautiful wife, how you enjoy being
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: a father.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But if there is anything that you want to land
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: a plane on, or even if you came with your
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: heart the floorish yours, you can talk to the audience.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: There's something I've been that I studied a few months ago,
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: and I wasn't even planning on mentioned this, but there
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: it's called the Baier men are phenomenon, and it's basically is,
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know if y'all have ever been riding down
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: the street and you know, you just you just zoned
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: out or whatever the case is. But it's not until
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: you get something that you start sending it everywhere. Promise
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: that for my wife and my wife somebody hit my
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: wife's car, so she had to get a rental car
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: and we end up getting a super Rule. I had
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: never ridden in a super Rules, seen super routs and
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: anything like that, but all of a sudden when I
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: when we rented the super Rule, the only thing I
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: kept noticing on the road as I'm pulling out of
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: my neighborhood Super Rule on the Highway, super Rulee in
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: Public's parking lot, Super Rules.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: And I looked it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Up because I appreciate it a few months ago. And
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: it's called the better men of phenomena, meaning that once
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: you are exposed to something one time, it's not that
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: that thing is now all of a sudden popping up
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: around you. You're just more aware of what it is
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: that's around you. And there's individuals who are feeling as
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: if they're not seeing what they want to see. And
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: I believe that you don't have a lack of it
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: been around you. You have just had a lack of
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: exposure of it like you in it. And so basically,
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: if you know your dream card is a Mercedes, why
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: haven't you gone to the lot to test drive it?
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: If you know you want to own a home, what's
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: stopping you from going and walking through some open houses?
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: It's free.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: If you know that you want this certain style or
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: whatever the case is, what's stopping you from going and
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: doing some windows shopping and trying some stelf on. All
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to say is, if you want the thing
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: that you've been hoping for to start showing up around
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: you or being more aware of it, expose yourself to it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: If you want something that you've never had, get around
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: something that you've never seen. If you want something to
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: start popping off in your life and manifesting in your life,
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: expose yourself to it. Sometimes we wait on somebody else
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: to open the door to throw the alley, but you
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: can throw your own self an aalehup, you can open
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: your own door. Matter of fact, you can create your
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: own stage. All I'm trying to say is that it's
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: already around you, it's already in you. It's just waiting
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: on you to expose yourself to it so you'll start
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: seeing it everywhere. It's always been there. Matter of fact,
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: it's there right now. Come on, open up your eyes
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: to see it. And I believe that that's what happened
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: to Paul when he was on the road to Damascus.
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: He had those scale on his eyes that God put there.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: But it wasn't until God opened up his eyes twice
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: where he was able to say, you know what, wait
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: a minute, I see things in a whole new way.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: I believe that that influence that he had was always
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: in them. He was the last Disciples, one of the
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: last disciples to come up. He did not have their path.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: He was killing Christians. But once he walked up on
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: the scene, once he entered into this new covenant with God,
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: he flipped the world upside down. He starts speaking on
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: behalf of God. He wrote more books than any of
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: the other disciples. All I'm trying to say, y'all is
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: it ain't where you start. Any where you start, and
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: it don't matter who likes it when you start. Come on,
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: I don't care how congested your spear of influence is.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Once you get a revelation about what's indying what's around you,
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: you'll start moving like it. Paul didn't care about who
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: didn't like that. He was on the scene. He changed
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: the scene. And that's what you're getting ready to do.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: Get ready to be spoken to. What's been there all along?
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  Speaker 2: Well do you have it? Listen? Okay, you're gonna okay,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: my right, listen.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Listen that that that student of yours, he owned the something,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: He owned something. So we started seeing Rique Holmes Podcast.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, listen, this has been phenomenal and that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: you gotta we gotta bring you back. We gotta bring
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: you back because you can't just leave us on a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: cliff That's what you just did. You just love us
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: on a cliff. An, So thank you so much, thank
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you for gracing us with your presence and your gift.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: We don't take it lightly that you gave us a yes,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and we know that the Lord told you know you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: wouldn't done it. So thank you Lord, Thank you, Lord
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  Speaker 3: Thank God for one another day.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Hey, I know we could be another way. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: pray thank God for another day. Hey Hey, I'm just
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  Speaker 4: thankfu for another day. Hey, Hey another day? Oh, another
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  Speaker 4: day wise, another day to get it right, another day
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  Speaker 4: to rise up, another day living, another day.
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  Speaker 3: We love one.
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  Speaker 4: I always remember hold it down for a ball, Yeah,