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Vick's Flicks, Ep. 192: Digger · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: Reviews, news, deep dives into filmographies, and really, whatever the
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  Speaker 1: hell we want to talk about from the movie world.
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  Speaker 1: This is the VixFlix Podcast on Nashville Movie Dispatch.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of the Big Slicks Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I am your host for today, the Mr. Big Shot.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Mr. Big Shot, Brandon Vick. I'm a board member,
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  Speaker 2: in case you don't know, Music City Film Critics Association,
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  Speaker 2: and a member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association, and
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  Speaker 2: your resident film critic right here on Nashville Movie Dispatch.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say this was a very last minute thing,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's necessary because I had, I did
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  Speaker 2: not expect this much conversation about one movie, especially a
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  Speaker 2: movie that I guess did not make that much money.
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  Speaker 2: But I've called upon our buddy, Brett. He is here. Brett,
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  Speaker 2: how are you feeling about Digger? Cause that's what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to chit chat about.
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  Speaker 3: Good. Um, been pretty inspired and i just got done
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  Speaker 3: feeding my cat with my pinky nail.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah maggie yeah maggie i'm gonna tell i
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  Speaker 2: want to know what was used to create maggie but
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  Speaker 2: also isn't that kind of like their first little inkling
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  Speaker 2: of like oh this rockwell guy's an asshole because he
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  Speaker 2: should have put this cat down i mean probably 10
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  Speaker 2: years ago it's in the preview but i still think
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  Speaker 2: it's funny where they're like how much you like When
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  Speaker 2: is she going to go? And he's like, anywhere between, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think he says a couple months and five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that should be clear to anybody. I
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  Speaker 2: don't care how rich you are. That should be clear
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  Speaker 2: to everybody.
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  Speaker 3: She was a sweetie, though. Yeah, she seemed like it.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when she got bathed and just put in that
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  Speaker 2: sling over the sink.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that the life?
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that sounds nice. I wish people would bathe
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  Speaker 2: me over a sink. With my dripping fur. Also, I
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  Speaker 2: want to point out, because this is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most relevant, timely episodes we've done. You walked into this
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  Speaker 2: studio today with a spooky season shirt. And I immediately said,
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  Speaker 2: my wife bought me the exact same shirt. And I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. I wish I would have worn it.
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  Speaker 3: Great minds think alike.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Orange has a jack-o'-lantern on it.
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  Speaker 2: Did your wife buy that or did you border it?
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  Speaker 3: My wife did buy it, but she sent me a
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  Speaker 3: picture and I said, yes, please give me that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I didn't get the choice.
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  Speaker 3: I think she sent it to me kind of as
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  Speaker 3: a joke. Actually, you know what? I found it online
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  Speaker 3: as she was in Old Navy and I said, please
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  Speaker 3: give me this shirt.
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  Speaker 2: See, I didn't know. I just saw spooky season. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. Now I will say my son and my
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  Speaker 2: wife got shirts. They are better designed. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I got the plain Jane.
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  Speaker 3: Of the bunch.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm like, okay, I won't. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: bitch about it, but I do feel like.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like the dad shirt at Disney. It is.
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  Speaker 3: Like you're just a part of the group. You're not.
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  Speaker 2: Mine just has Mickey Mouse and nothing else. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: So we're here to talk about Digger. Obviously, there's been
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  Speaker 2: quite a buildup to it. There was a whole thing
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  Speaker 2: of kind of keeping what Tom Cruise looked like. has
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  Speaker 2: this character a secret the marketing has been um i
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  Speaker 2: think we can agree without going in into too much
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  Speaker 2: that there's they give you just a little bit as
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  Speaker 2: far as what the movie is i will say it's
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  Speaker 2: out people have had a chance to see it i'm
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  Speaker 2: sure there's already shit out there that Reveal so much.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to get into spoiler stuff. So if
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  Speaker 2: you have not seen it. Want to see it. Turn
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  Speaker 2: us off. Come back. Once you've seen it. But I
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  Speaker 2: want to make sure I say this now. Because there
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  Speaker 2: is going to be some spoiler stuff. Because honestly I
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  Speaker 2: don't think we can have the conversation. That I want
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  Speaker 2: to have. Without being like. Here's the deal. So. One
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  Speaker 2: of the most divisive films. In recent memory. Your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yes. You know, the initial response to
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  Speaker 3: this was very negative. I've seen multiple people describe it
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  Speaker 3: as the critics having their knives out for this movie quickly.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like 57%. I mean, it's literally right down
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  Speaker 2: the middle. I saw the audience score or the cinema
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  Speaker 2: score or whatever is like a C- and people thought
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  Speaker 2: it was going to be worse than that.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, it's one of those things, and in
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  Speaker 3: a sick way, I kind of enjoy this when I'm
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  Speaker 3: watching a movie.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. You want to see how, like, is
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  Speaker 2: it as gross as they say it is? Is it as,
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  Speaker 2: you know, awful as people claim?
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  Speaker 3: But even the experience of watching it, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I get that people would resist it, sure. And there's
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  Speaker 3: a part of me that's like, at least this is
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  Speaker 3: something fun to take in because of kind of that
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  Speaker 3: you know people are going to be mad about parts
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  Speaker 3: of it and dislike parts of it.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think that people involved kind of expected, like,
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  Speaker 2: once people get the full effect, it's not going to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all around the world, you know, worldly accepted
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  Speaker 2: by the masses. And I don't think, That's what kind
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  Speaker 2: of makes me laugh is I feel like the people involved,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's really going to affect too much.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a risk. It's something that they haven't
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  Speaker 2: been able to do before. You about to throw up
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  Speaker 2: on your brand new spooky solution.
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  Speaker 3: I was actually trying to clear my throat away from
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  Speaker 3: the microphone.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I do it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I do it all the time. I remember one time
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  Speaker 2: I sneezed and jizzed and I didn't even.
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  Speaker 3: Cover it up.
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  Speaker 2: I just said, go on, buddy.
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  Speaker 3: That was a bad day in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. We had to use
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  Speaker 2: wet wipes. But I will... But I feel like people
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  Speaker 2: kind of know what it is. And honestly, as we
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  Speaker 2: get into it, hiding certain things from the narrative is,
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  Speaker 2: to me, indicates that they sort of knew what they
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  Speaker 2: were doing, but we're just going to give you this.
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it is built just
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  Speaker 2: around Tom Cruise. This is a This is definitely off
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  Speaker 2: the beaten path from the Mission Impossible movies and everything else, right?
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  Speaker 3: I mean... Well, that was kind of the... That was...
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that was kind of the lead from
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  Speaker 3: the start. Like, Tom Cruise is done with Mission Impossible.
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  Speaker 3: He's back to... acting right real acting.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the first previews literally goes through his
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  Speaker 2: whole like filmography and is like you know like you've
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  Speaker 2: never seen him like this kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff but we saw that in imax and i got
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  Speaker 3: really excited because i thought they were going to show
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  Speaker 3: like a few good men back on the big screen
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  Speaker 3: yeah and i realized it was all just to lead up.
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  Speaker 2: To build up to that and i'm happy about it
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  Speaker 2: i'm happy to see him doing this type of stuff
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  Speaker 2: no matter what the outcome is which i mean As
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  Speaker 2: we know now, it hasn't been great as far as money.
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  Speaker 2: But this has been, I think it's been the biggest
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  Speaker 2: bomb of Tom Cruise's career. As of opening weekend, there's been,
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  Speaker 2: I know there's been kind of a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a discussion, but roughly $ 8 million in U.S., $ 20 million globally.
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  Speaker 2: From what I have read, it goes anywhere between $ 150,
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  Speaker 2: $ 160 to $ 180 million dollars. This is, of course, Warner
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  Speaker 2: Brothers' last movie because now them and Paramount are under Skydance.
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  Speaker 2: No matter how you feel about that, what a way
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  Speaker 2: to go out. I read some stuff on some other
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  Speaker 2: critic reactions. Some have called it the worst movie of
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  Speaker 2: Cruise's career. Relentlessly torturous. Absolute pain to sit through. Painfully unfunny.
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  Speaker 2: And infuriatingly meta and self-indulgently smug.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That last one, I sort of understand. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I understand how people get there for sure. It's
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  Speaker 3: one of those things, like a lot of movies, that
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  Speaker 3: are polarizing.
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  Speaker 2: Very much.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a strong enough, it's not a hill
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to die on. I can see, like if
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  Speaker 3: somebody tells me they hate this, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't hate it, but I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I get the pure hatred of
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  Speaker 2: it unless you just are, like, you're so set on
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  Speaker 2: one thing that, like, you don't even, you don't give
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  Speaker 2: a shit about the rest.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if some of that hatred is tied to
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  Speaker 3: Tom Cruise as an individual.
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  Speaker 2: It could be.
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  Speaker 3: And I just want to take this moment to say
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  Speaker 3: this movie that someone said was the worst thing they
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  Speaker 3: had seen in a year or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 2: Worst movie of Tom Cruise's career.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, yes. I think, actually, for me, solidified that
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  Speaker 3: he's my favorite actor.
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  Speaker 2: Of all time?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I've kind of been stiff-arming that for a while.
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  Speaker 3: But you guys know I've been kind of doing this
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  Speaker 3: back through time, watching a lot of things I missed.
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  Speaker 3: And consistently, his movies are the ones that hit the
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  Speaker 3: best with me. And his craziness in real life, in
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  Speaker 3: some ways.
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  Speaker 3: Enhances for me his performances. That he can act like
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  Speaker 3: a normal person on screen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he is nuts. In his personal life, I think
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  Speaker 2: he's nuts.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I agree. That's why I've not wanted it to
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  Speaker 3: be true.
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  Speaker 2: They have castrated him into a certain way of doing
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  Speaker 2: press now because they don't want him joking on any
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  Speaker 2: sofas for the rest of his life.
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  Speaker 3: Katie Holmes did something. I'd rather get that version than
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  Speaker 3: the version that doesn't say anything interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I have seen more stuff of when he gets pissed
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  Speaker 2: at Matt Lauer on on today with this movie than
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  Speaker 2: anything else and I'm like yeah he he like he
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  Speaker 2: is a Scientologist and that hasn't changed I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he talks to his children but You can't help but
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  Speaker 2: love his movies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just talking about the on-screen experience. That's the
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  Speaker 3: reason that for so long I've not wanted to say
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  Speaker 3: it was true.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's why you've told me that you love Michael
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  Speaker 2: Jackson's music. I don't think you agree with what he
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  Speaker 2: did to those kids, but you do love his music.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I plucked this out of an IndieWire review, and it says,
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  Speaker 2: If Digger bombs as hard as I fear it will,
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  Speaker 2: which I guess it did, it may prove to be
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  Speaker 2: a more damning portrait of self-delusion... than Ennil Ratu, I
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  Speaker 2: hope I said that right, ever intended. Then again, the
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  Speaker 2: reason why Digger is a nobler and more rewarding failure
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  Speaker 2: than Birdman or Bardo is because it doesn't have to
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  Speaker 2: pretend that Digger Rockwell is a real person. He's a
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  Speaker 2: living cartoon who's exempted from the human foundation that was
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  Speaker 2: missing from those earlier films and for all this movie's
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  Speaker 2: psych-outs and detours that allows Digger to address his existential
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  Speaker 2: crisis with a greater directness and degree of relatability. You
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't believe where Digger goes, even if I spelled it
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  Speaker 2: out with full spoilers, but it's darkly, and at least
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  Speaker 2: somewhat inadvertently, hilarious final shot delivers on the essence of
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  Speaker 2: a failure-facing movie about how readily we have to normalize
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  Speaker 2: the absurdity of the present in order to endure it.
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  Speaker 2: A movie... that extrapolates a wry and all too real
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  Speaker 2: vision of mass psychosis from the self-delusion of its own making.
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  Speaker 2: I personally, I jot it down. I think, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't think this is something you can ignore. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's an amazingly ambitious, absurdist satire that uses its shovel
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  Speaker 2: to do more than just dig. It comes out swinging
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  Speaker 2: it around its damn head, ready and able to knock
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  Speaker 2: us all out cold. It's brilliant. It's bizarre. I found
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  Speaker 2: it brazen and brash when it comes to its multiple
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  Speaker 2: existential crisis. But I also found it astoundingly committed and
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  Speaker 2: intelligibly messy.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like now's the moment to talk about kind
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  Speaker 3: of the shift and what really is going on here.
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  Speaker 3: Because the thing I keep telling everyone is it's not
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  Speaker 3: what it seems.
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  Speaker 2: It's not. You're exactly right. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: So we get this moment 20 or 30 minutes in.
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  Speaker 3: He and John Goodman, who's playing the president, are looking
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  Speaker 3: out a window talking and a tree falls over in
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  Speaker 3: a way that feels really fake in the moment. And
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  Speaker 3: they both just kind of sit there and their posture
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  Speaker 3: kind of changes. And then a man pops up out
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  Speaker 3: the window who's like giant. And it's very much a,
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  Speaker 3: what is going on here?
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  Speaker 2: I have flashbacks of Alexander Payne's downsizing, and I start
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  Speaker 2: to get pissed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did wonder, like, is this, are there giants,
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  Speaker 3: and are they many?
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  Speaker 2: What a twist, they're munchkins.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes. But we learn that they are on stage
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  Speaker 3: for a rehearsal for a play.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: That is commemorating events that led up to disaster. Right.
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  Speaker 3: through effects of global warming that has happened.
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  Speaker 2: And now we're celebrating kind of the 25 years.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And so everything shifts at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Literally they walk off set.
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  Speaker 2: Even the character.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Yes. And, and Tom Cruise goes back into the
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  Speaker 3: best version of himself, which is the, I'm acting, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm acting as a normal person with feelings and, uh,
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  Speaker 3: That's very relatable in an on-screen way. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: will say just broadly, the piece, the message they're trying
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  Speaker 3: to deliver from that point on throughout the movie.
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  Speaker 2: The film?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Okay. Was a little too on the nose for me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It pummels you with. What it's trying to say.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, and not because it's not an important conversation
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  Speaker 3: to have, but it's been done so many times that
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  Speaker 3: it was like, there's nothing new about what you're saying here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I want to say, I think on the surface,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the big, I think a big portion
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  Speaker 2: of it deals with the climate crisis, right? And sort
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  Speaker 2: of just being okay with it because you're distracted by
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  Speaker 2: other things while Real things are being done that I
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  Speaker 2: think normal civilization society is not aware of, but we
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  Speaker 2: also don't care because, oh, I don't know, let's just
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  Speaker 2: say gas prices.
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  Speaker 3: Are too high.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there is that. It's very obvious on some
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 3: It raises the question of how do we cope with
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  Speaker 3: things like that in daily life? And then you're sitting
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  Speaker 3: there thinking there are things. Oh, shit. Even the conversation
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  Speaker 3: that's going on here is a real thing in the
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  Speaker 3: world that hasn't yet reached the cataclysmic point that it
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  Speaker 3: has in the movie.
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  Speaker 2: And we don't think, what are the odds that it could.
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  Speaker 3: Happen, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But you have to reflect on the fact, oh, we're
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  Speaker 3: doing this kind of in the moment. We're coping with things.
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  Speaker 3: We're coming here to as.
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  Speaker 3: I'm stealing this from someone else, but pointed to his
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  Speaker 3: ex-wife saying, we come to this place to be entertained.
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  Speaker 3: And so, I mean, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of us would agree that's
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  Speaker 2: too soon with you pointing that out. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: too soon.
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  Speaker 3: Not bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We haven't gotten over that yet. But, yeah. My
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  Speaker 2: next note is about Tom Cruise, but is there anything else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me say a little bit more about that
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  Speaker 3: just to set the stage. So then we get these intermittent...
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  Speaker 3: I think in that moment I thought, okay, are we
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  Speaker 3: completely out of the Digger character now? Like, are we
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  Speaker 3: not going back to that? Is he going home now
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  Speaker 3: and we're just following him? It does go back into that,
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  Speaker 3: and 85%, 90% of the movie is the play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're only taken out of it in...
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  Speaker 2: In brief moments.
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  Speaker 3: You're waiting for these moments that you... And that really is...
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  Speaker 3: That was my response then. I started to just wait
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  Speaker 3: for those breaks. And I think.
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  Speaker 2: Like bring it back to the real world of what.
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  Speaker 3: The real life piece of it in the setting of
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  Speaker 3: the movie. And you also get within that, he and
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  Speaker 3: his wife are having this conversation about their daughter being
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  Speaker 3: on a plane. They don't know her exact location. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: there's a storm. They don't know her exact location. And
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  Speaker 3: so kind of the other piece of the story there
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  Speaker 3: is what's going on with his daughter and how is
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  Speaker 3: he dealing with that? And there's something there about... I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think that that part.
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  Speaker 2: And I have some questions that deal with Kenny, Jesse
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  Speaker 2: Plymouth's character, later. But I'm not quite sure what we...
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  Speaker 2: get from that I think there's a piece of it
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  Speaker 2: where it does kind of come in where he says
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite quotes which I'll get to but
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  Speaker 2: I'm just throwing it out there I'm not quite sure
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  Speaker 2: what we're supposed to really get from the daughter aspect
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: of they don't know where he's at or they don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: know where she's at.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I think my take away from that is.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: She's also called Hope And hope is lost. I mean,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's a, you know, okay, but still.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is, again, very on the nose. Right, right.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But my takeaway from that specifically is his character, that
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: is the vehicle by which we get more of his
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: humanity apart from this character he's playing.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: And I would say that for Digger, Maggie, that old
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: decrepit cat, is his humanity.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: She's a sweetie.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Because he... He can't let go. But it also plays
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to the selfishness of it because clearly she should not
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: be there anymore. So Tom Cruise. I think he's fantastic.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of ways where he is ferocious.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: He reminds us what kind of actor he can be.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I think there is a certain age to his audience
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that Only know him as an action star and nothing else.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: And it's really not fair to Cruise and what he's
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: been able to do. And I'm talking from Cocktail to
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Risky Business to Color of Money to Born on the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Fourth of July which he got an Oscar nomination to
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Last Samurai which I love to one of my absolute
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: favorite performances of his, Collateral.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I just feel like Pro Magnolia in there.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And Magnolia, yes, absolutely. So I feel like there are,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: this is a lot of people's first introduction to Tom Cruise,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the actor, and nothing else.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of, you can see people feeling like,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: where did this come from?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Right, like why would he do that? But the thing is,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: is that he's always been like that. But in all fairness,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: he has kind of leaned into sequels. And especially with,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: with mission impossible, obviously top gun Maverick was a huge hit,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: but it's based off of a eighties movie. He did.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: That's also very well known. So I think now granted,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I don't, he's never really done anything like this, but
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's outside the norm of like those
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: other titles I've done where he has chosen a different thing.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And it hasn't been about what stunts did he do
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: all on his own. Um, The one thing I do
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: feel like, and it's just that emotional reaction, is that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I do think it becomes rather apparent that the film,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: as well as the script, can't really catch up to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: what he's doing. I feel like there's times where when
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: he explodes on screen, I'm there, but then there's other
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: times where I'm like.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's get on with it. And there's one moment,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that moment in... He's in the European political center. Yes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: That moment exemplifies what you're saying. That he just kind
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: of takes over completely.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: That sequence is impeccable. I literally made a note. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you know what it reminded me of? It really reminded me.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And again, for anybody that has not seen it, go
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: see it. Listen to the rest. But I swear there's
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: things where like Mother Nature Loves a Winner. You want
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: me to drill. It truly reminded me of one of
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: his films, and it's one of his best, is A
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Few Good Men. But it reminded me of Jack sitting
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: on that stand saying that you need me on that wall.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You want me on that wall and you need me
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: on that wall. Basically saying, you don't want to admit it,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: but I'm doing shit that you don't even want to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: think of. And I think even in A Few Good Men,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: it's like you can't even fathom it. And when he
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: was doing that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: When he's checking those boxes up, you want your phone
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: battery to be full so you can do them. You
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: want gas to be cheap. And we can sit in
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the seats and say, yes, yes, yes, you're right.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And then he talks about how'd you fly to get here,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the cars you use. But it's true. It resonates because
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you want to change something, but you're not willing to
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: sacrifice anything yourself. And he's telling you that he's the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: one that's doing it. So if I'm the bad guy,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: so be it. But the hell with that. And so
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: it's one of the best sequences of the year. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to me, that's the most powerful part is because so
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: much rings true to just how we kind of see
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: every going day to day. And he talks about that too.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: The things you worry about and you're not worried about
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: with Iceland, Greenland and the Arctic. I mean, you're not,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you know, you want gas to be cheaper. You want
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to buy food. Like it, it, it totally makes sense
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and is very timely to how I think a lot
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of people feel these days.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: When he said it's set up so well by in
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: a row in that with, uh, Riz Ahmed's character going
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: in and, you know, very kind of sheepishly. Wait a second.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: You want me to really tell the truth about this?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: but it sets the stage for that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: But even when he comes back and, and, and again, they've,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: they've shown this in the preview, even though I told
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you there's spoilers galore, but it's like, I won't kill you.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I got people to do that. Cause I do. He's like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sort of joking.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Bang, bang, bang. Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, bang, bang, bang. He is. I mean,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise is locked in. He is locked in. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I read a thing before he did it. And I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: only read a piece of it. And I, and I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: wish I knew where it was from, but, he basically
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: asked Inuratu to read the script to him. And he's like, well, like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you know, my English is barely great. And he's like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: but I want to know where you're coming from. Because
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: if I sit here and read it alone, like I get, like,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I understand that. Like he, Cruz didn't take this and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: not know what he was getting into.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's, that's the thing. Like, If, going back
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: to what we said earlier, if it is that people
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: don't like Tom Cruise and so they're happy to just
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: kind of stick it to him on this.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: He's innocent in this movie. He is. He gives his
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: all for this movie.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that's it. I think there is
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: also this perception of who they think he is and
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: what he should be doing. Even though I think if
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you're of a certain age and of a certain, you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: love for film that you know this is not the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: first time he's kind of walked on the edge. Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: He just hasn't done it in so long.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Well, and I even think about the, and I mean,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: this is relatively more recent, the character he plays in
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Tropic Thunder, which is short, but that's a big thing
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: for a lot of people. That's kind of an iconic thing.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Do you ever think about his performance in Rock of Ages?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I don't ever think about that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if a lot of people do. I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: put this in my Letterboxd review because there are things,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I will tell you, Straight up. There are things that
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I love and respect about this film, and there's other
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: things where I'm like, I just don't think it works.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: It's a real battle on where I really stand with it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: One battle after another.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Correct. But there's a thing where he says, everything changes,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you know? One day you're a cat or a king.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Next day, you're just ashes in a box. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Which is close to the close of the film when
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: he makes that statement.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Right, which does, in one, you know how that poor
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: cat was to him. But also, like, yeah, what does
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that mean? Like, in the big scheme of things, what
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: does it mean? And the effect you had. And I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: think that, obviously, that definitely plays with it. And I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: think Indra Ratu kind of does a lot of stuff
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: about legacy through a lot of his films. And I
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: think for, you know, Rockwell, it's... It's very apparent. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: want to shift a little bit to the supporting cast. Okay.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of good ones here. Yep. Sandra Huler.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I love her. Now we have a fall.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: She's great.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: She's great in Project Hail Mary.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: She's in a couple other films this year. I wouldn't
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: be shocked if she's nominated for one of those. Fatherland
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Rose that comes out. I liked her in it. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: don't think she was really utilized the way that I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: would have liked as kind of his younger sister. That's
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: also wants to do good. And he kind of always
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: screws it up for.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Her, but it's one of those people that you're never
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: sad to see her. Like she's no, she's just fun
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: When she first comes in and talks to him and
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: kind of gives it to him straight. We don't really
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: go beyond that for the rest of it. But, and
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Kenny obviously is her son who plays by Jesse Plymouth later. Um,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: John Goodman.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed him. I do think he sort of lived
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: it up a bit. He has cancer in his asshole,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: as he likes to tell. He plays the president.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: That's the exact diagnosis.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's little things, like before you talk about when
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the tree falls or he's picking at it and it
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: hurts to have him sit. One of the best scenes
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: is when he's in his bedroom after he's had the
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: surgery and he looks completely effing out of it. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: he just wants to bomb. When he talks about, hey,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: there's ladies in the room and he starts laughing about it. Like, clearly.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: But I liked him in it. I'm not sure. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know how well it plays the
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: longer he's involved. But I love him.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: You know, we talked about this last year. Mickey 17,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Mark Ruffalo's performance, kind of this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, kind of a similar kind of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: thing he's doing. Just way over the top.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I will say with this movie, we talked about this
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: off air.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Off camera.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Off camera. The ring camera might be in here again. Yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: that's right, that's right.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: That nest is gone.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Off microphone.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: The fact that they break it down to, oh, this
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: is a play. These are characters.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: That helps me tolerate it more.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: If it had been straight, those characters, I probably would
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: have hated this movie. If that was all it was.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I will say, and I love how any time they cut,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: he was vaping.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Like, any time. I personally, Riz Ahmed is my MVP.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: He's great. He's kind of the... uh, the heart of
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: it and sort of like the guy that actually knows
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: what he's talking about but like the oh man what's
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the fish that they eat is it tuna it is
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: tuna right yeah it just goes to show you you
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: can have the best of intentions but When you're sold
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it in a certain way, you are still gullible and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: you still fall for it. I love that scene on
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the plane, especially as he walks away. He's like, I
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: don't know where it came from.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: This is an aside, but shout out to Riz Ahmed.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Audible did a dramatized version of Harry Potter series and
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: he is Professor Snake.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: And I really didn't like it at first, but it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: grown on me as the series gone. He's good.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you, let me take this further
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: off the tracks. My wife told me, last week that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: she was going to get audible. And I was like, Oh,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: what books are you going to listen to? She's like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I only want to hear Jonathan. Is it Jonathan Bailey
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: from wicked? He does the voice of Dracula, which Maggie
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Gyllenhaal also does.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: It, but he does have a special way with ladies.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: But when I went to see digger in IMAX, there
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: were a couple of commercials that were about audible Dracula
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and Jonathan Bailey. And I told my wife.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: And so anyway, um so did you tell her she's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: not allowed yeah yeah yeah yeah i think that was.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I actually swallowed her wedding ring yeah don't you dare
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: don't you dare uh riz Ahmed's great i love his
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: drunk acting shout out yeah um he's great and i
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: honestly i really do think he's the mvp my last
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: one I've talked about him before. So Kenny, that's played
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: by Jesse Plemons.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: This is my MVP. Just because he's always my MVP.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Do you think that his character, do you see him
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: as controlling the narrative the entire time on what really happened?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Because he is, Digger Rockwell is his uncle. Or is
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: he unifying By healing the world, by resurrecting this play
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: that's 25 years now, and letting it be, I guess,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: sort of a reminder of how just complacent and oblivious
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: society as we all were when the actual catastrophic event occurred.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I think to a degree it's both, but maybe more
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: the second one. The unifying character. Yes, I found his
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: character refreshing because it felt nuanced. And by that, I
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: mean that, I mean, we don't have to look far
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: to know now in 2026, apart from what this movie
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: is portraying, this kind of post-apocalyptic kind of world, that
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: people have such a hard time being nuanced of, We're
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: not just all the way one way or all the
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: way another.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: True.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: And, you know, he has this scene where he breaks
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: in and kind of reveals his identity to, when he's
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: talking to the director.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: He lays it all out.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: And Tom Cruise's actor character, that this is one of
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the breaks in the play, to say, you're both right,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: He was terrible, and he was my uncle. And, you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: all of this, like, and so it feels like he's
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: both honoring the.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: His family, but also recognizing the harm that they've done
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: in the world without shying away from that. And I
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: found that refreshing in a lot of ways that that's
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: kind of the angle. That was one of the pieces
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I said, and this is really true, once that initial
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: break happens where you learn it's a play, short of
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: scenes like Tom Cruise in his monologue going off that
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: just demands your attention, this is the downside of the movie.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I kind of found myself just waiting for that next,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: for the next break to see what the real life part. Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And this was another one of those, those moments that
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I thought was really good in the movie.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, I'm kind of with you. I feel like
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: there is an internal struggle of, cause there's a whole
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: thing about where, like when they first did it and
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: people are cheering, but basically the demise of his uncle.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And then how do you, I mean, how do you
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: cope with that? How do you come to terms with
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: it and then resurrecting it? But also, I mean, how
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: do you, I guess to me, it was sort of
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: like still bringing people together to accept this, but also
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: be able to release what you feel from it, even
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: though you're still I mean, you're ultimately living in the
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: shitty situation that someone, one person ignored that affected, I mean,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: basically the whole world.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: He both owns that it's his family and the responsibility
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: of what happened there on behalf of his family. Right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: But he's not hiding from it either. Right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah. He takes
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: the responsibility for this really is as bad as people
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: say that it was.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: And you see as they walk outside, it's... One of
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: the things, and yeah, let's talk about that in more
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: detail that moment. But one of the things that I
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: appreciate about his, what they do with his characters, he's
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: kind of like, I kind of got these vibes from
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: just body language. And, you know, he kind of gives
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a few notes earlier.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. He's kind of hidden in the shadows.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: And says that he wants to help with finding my
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: daughter because he has people that can help him with that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: We still don't know how or why that can.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Happen at that point. But you know he owns a
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: security company. Right. And I also sort of found it
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: peculiar when he said, a phone number is all I need.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Which makes me.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Also kind of feel like in this day and age,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: You can get anything from the smallest amount of information
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: on anybody.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Surveillance, I guess. I think all of that, they almost
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: set him up as like, you expect him to be
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: the villain. And then he comes with that moment where
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: he kind of breaks up the fight and he's taking
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: both sides at the same time.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: That both can be right. I don't really have a whole... Production,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: set design, cinematography... Sound design as well. I think we're
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: all fantastic. Is there anything that kind of sticks out
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: for you as far as just.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: There's this kind of sepia tone throughout the movie.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Color seems to be very important.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: In everything. I've heard a lot of people pull references
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: to Wes Anderson, kind of the way the set is
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: put together. And even... the moment where the tree tips over,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: you know, very surreal and that kind of thing. And,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and I did see that. And I think Riz Ahmed
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: being in it doesn't, doesn't hurt having that vibe either.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Asteroid City I've seen has been mentioned a couple of times,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: but I thought they were all great, especially once you
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: know what the film truly is.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: And we both, we both saw it on IMAX. You
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: had asked me in advance, is it worth the IMAX?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: I think it definitely was.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was. And even like we're talking
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: about that European court scene, like, But a lot of
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: stuff is shot up, up towards somebody. But also, like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: where Digger is living. I mean, there's so many different.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: That helps with the domineering, that upward angle helps with
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: that kind of domineering feeling.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And the power.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: These people are over you and they're the ones making
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the decision.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Right. That you will have to deal with one way
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: or another. Um, but I, I thought all of those
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: like below the line stuff, I could see them being nominated.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's very apparent. It's, I, I thought
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: it was great. I, there are, but then I was
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: talking about how I'm like kind of battling, um, inside
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: because there's also, there's just parts of Digger that do
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: feel superficial, that do feel somewhat bombastic. I think it's all,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: it's kind of this grand farce that enjoys pointing fingers,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: but I don't really know if there's any truth to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: what it actually has to say about it. It's almost
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: pointing out the obvious with nothing of real substance to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: back it up. And I think that's probably been a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: lot of people's criticisms is that it's almost like, yes,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the approach to these kind of things, I haven't seen
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: quite like this, but you're still kind of letting people
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: down because there's not much behind it and there's nothing that,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: there's no force that's kind of coming up behind it. Like, yes,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of brilliant, there's a lot of brilliant
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: things happening, but does it really, result to too much
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: besides hey you know we're knee deep in the shit.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah i agree that's that's the part of the
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: movie that's most lacking to me is and least compelling
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: for all the reasons you just said yeah i that's
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: why i found myself just kind of waiting for those
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: in-between moments like let's get back to the humanity of
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: this actor right rather and kind of the dynamic of
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: all the the people involved. Right. And then we get
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: to this moment. Is it okay? for me to go
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: ahead and talk about this at the end.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah where you said spoiler spoiler.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Spoiler they the play ends digger dies everybody cheers it's
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: a very cathartic moment and then you realize and this
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't completely shocking but it was another kind of curveball
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: everybody puts on their gas mask. There are kind of
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: these alarms that go off to remind them to do that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: And they get up and walk in the world. And
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: we've already been told that this is a 25 year
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: old play, but it's been 25 years since these events.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: And so now this is them remembering how they got
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: to this place, but that's the world you walk out into.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And then we were talking about this a little bit,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: but There's some music that plays through the credits, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: then we get the alarms as well as.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: We walk out of the theater. And then you hear
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: the sounds of nature, but no humans. And obviously that
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: has to be deliberate. So we've talked about the twist.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: It ends up being this play that's celebrating, well, I
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: shouldn't say celebrating, but the 25 years.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Memorializing, yep.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's necessary? I'm going to say you
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: probably think it is because I know that you keep
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: talking about how you're kind of drawn back to that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I say that because this is a stage play that's
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: depicting what occurred, again, 25 years.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: You mean the meta version of kind of what's going on?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Is that necessary?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: There's a part that art is allowing society to kind
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: of process and cope. They're mourning the devastation, this catastrophic
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: disaster that happened. Over two decades ago. But would it
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: still have the same type of impact if you just
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: played out what happened with Digger and everything else? Does
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it need to reflect back to a play that is
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: talking about something that happened 25 years ago?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I'm torn on that because... As you said, I don't
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: think the message they're trying to deliver is ultimately very compelling.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: And I think it's a well-worn path that a lot
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: of people have gone down. And so, as you said,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: there's really nothing new there.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: The approach is, I get that, but what.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: It settles on.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It's the structure.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: The form is what is so intriguing to me. And
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: without that form, I think this would be a very
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: forgettable and very lacking.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: movie.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: If it it would basically be mickey 17 again yeah
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: in a different yeah form i.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Like mickey 17 but yeah um i think my other
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: question is as far as like curtis right so curtis
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: is tom cruise playing digger what do you see as
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the purpose with his daughter and is it sort of
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: similar and we kind of touch on this but it's
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: similar to kind of digger and maggie as far as
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: this slice of humanity poking through, like as far as
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: like the daughter being lost, he doesn't know where she is.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Kenny's going to help. And again, it's like you said
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: on the nose, as far as hope being lost and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: he can find her and stuff. But then like, is
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that Kenny kind of playing into his power and control
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that he has and he was able to help him.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like that's the real emotion and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: humanity of digger is is Maggie. For Curtis, it's his daughter.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Because nothing else really mattered as far as what's revealed
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to us. So, what do you... I mean... Is it significant?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think so. That was probably the most compelling
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: piece of the movie to me. And it's not even because...
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: With Maggie? Yes. It's not even from the angle of
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen with his daughter.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I think that it is a.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: It is a zoomed in picture of, okay, now in
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: this new reality that is the world, here is one
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: person that still is dealing with the things we're all
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: dealing with today of like, what's going on with those
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: that I love?
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Are they safe?
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Well, they're like, well, a storm came in all of
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: a sudden, which climate, which, It makes sense. And it's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: sort of what he's dealing with. And then I think
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to your point at the end, it's a broader scope
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: of the world that everybody's living in.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Everybody's dealing with this.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm pretty much there. I do think
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: there is, it speaks to a lot to the humanity
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: of Cruise's two different personas that he's portraying. I think
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the cat resembles that. And then, and like I said,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite quotes was about the ashes, but
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: also his daughter, because that's what kind of gets the
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: most attention out of him on like well what do
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: you mean because it is real but while he's also
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to me it's sort of there's some irony there because
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: he was there when this happened he's telling people that's
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: not how it should be he's changing up scenes because
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that's not how it'd be and so it's almost like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: this resurgence of like of of what he remembers in
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the life that was but also he's still dealing with
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the same shit that everyone else is because of one
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: man's action and ignorance that, you know, the whole film
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: speaks to, really.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: What you just brought up reminded me, we have not
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: hit on that much. That's kind of a piece, that's
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: kind of a through line for the actor playing the character,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: this desire to tell things truthfully.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: And I think that also gives that humanity. I mean,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Tom Cruise has such a, so he's, as digger he's
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: yelling he's over the top he's crazy he's basically.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: A jerry jones psycho yeah.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Dude but then these moments where he's the actor and
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: he goes backstage and he's talking to his wife right
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: it's just as passionate of a performance but it's so
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: quiet and so and like that's the part like Give
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: me a full movie of Batcon Cruz. That's what I want.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And you can tell the Curtis character is probably, as
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: some would say, difficult to work with. But he has
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: his reasons. And I think it kind of shows through
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: when we.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Come back to... He's got noble reasons for it. Right, right.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: And it really comes out when him and Kenny and
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: everything kind of unravels. And you kind of know, oh,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: this is why we're here. This is why Enu Ra
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: too is... why we're kind of jumping back into this.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I think, and even in the Digger monologue that we
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: keep talking about, he's acknowledging, yes, I'm a bad guy.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100% accurate.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: But you all want me to be.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: And it's the same kind of thing. Like, I'm telling
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: the truth about this situation.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: He's unapologetic in his approach. I want to read two
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: things because I found both of these things quite interesting
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: as far as what I think if someone wanted to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: try I don't think it's possible, but try to describe
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: what Digger is as we've talked. There was a tweet
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that I saw at DallasKing1138. It's a quote. I know him.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Do you?
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Do you? No one can tell you
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: what Digger is. You have to see it for yourself.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: He says, what I saw was a bold, inventive take
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: on the climate crisis and how the powerful manipulate the
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: truth to control the narrative and the impacted generation manipulate
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: it to work through the trauma. There's also an, an
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Uratu quote. Uh, this was a part of an interview.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know where it's come from. I apologize, but
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: he says the film's about storytelling. It's about the stories
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: we tell ourselves, the futility of art and the importance
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: of art as a way to explain ourselves when we're
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: dealing with so much reality. Theater is a way to
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: represent reality. And that representation is sometimes more real than
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: reality because it allows us to see ourselves in and
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: laugh about ourselves do you think there's some truth in
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: that tweet and and in that quote of what i
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: think digger is really digging into yeah you know.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I've seen people say things similarly to the two things
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: you read of kind of like well the world is
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: hopeless and so we you know we're doing this same
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: thing kind of like entertaining ourselves until just passing time
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: yeah And I personally, like, I don't have that sense
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: of hopelessness about the world, but I do think that
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: second thing particularly hits on why stories matter, why movies matter.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: They operate as kind of this mirror to explain life,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: to explain the things that you, your own personal experiences
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: in ways that you may not recognize on your own.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I also feel like it just kind of, and maybe
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: it's more a simple... way to look at it, but
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: it just feels like it kind of goes along the
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: same lines of like, knowing where you came from and
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the history that has brought you here.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Those that don't know the past are doing repeated.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I just feel like in a nutshell, that's sort of
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: what I kind of summed it up to. Yeah. Um,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: which I mean the tweet and the quote, I, I
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: agree with and I, I get, but I just felt
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: like it, it is sort of these things of like, yeah, like,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you got to know where you come from to see
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: where you are. And then how do you move forward?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Which I mean, you know, it's all, it's a difficult
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: question to ask during, especially in the, what they're depicting.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: But I have, I think my, when I left the theater,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: and I still, I guess I'm kind of asking, I
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: think it's rather difficult to say if just in general
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: digger being the huge risk that it was is worth
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: the reward. I truly don't know if I can answer
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: that definitively because I just don't know because there's, there's
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: other things that we've talked about where it doesn't, it
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't get there. It doesn't go to that level. We're not,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: we're not kind of coming to grips to this and this.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know. It's a, it's a difficult
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: film to process and I'm sure it's something that you
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: can watch a thousand times and get different stuff. I
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: don't know if I have that in me, but I
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: don't really know. if the risk was worth the reward,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: but I do find myself kind of appreciating that at
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: least it was attempted. Yeah. Even if I'm not so
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: sure it got everything right. And I honestly, I, I
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: could probably tell you, I don't think it, it doesn't
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: all work, but there are so many little things that
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: we've talked about, even within this podcast, much less after
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: you see it and you kind of, you know, hash
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it out with yourself that it, Yeah, you know what?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Good for you for at least going out there and
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: giving it a real shot because there are things that
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I think really do hit. And again, the approach and
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the way that it's presented, it does get you. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: even the little things that maybe no one noticed the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: first time or second time. But as a whole, I
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: don't know because I also feel like as much as
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: it kind of, goes to a certain length, there's also
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: times where there are some shortcomings to that that's like, ah,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I wish we could have connected this and this and
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: drove it home.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't love this movie. I like it. I'm
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: more positive on it than I am negative. But I'm
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: really glad it's a movie that was made and I
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: want to see more, like you said, attempts like this.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I respect what the....
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: No matter what feelings Tom Cruise has, when he puts
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: his name to something, it automatically becomes a bigger discussion.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that's very apparent.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: But apparently not a bigger box office.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: No, no. But I think more people are talking about
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: it than saw it. Yeah. But it's definitely a topic.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: And honestly, this was a last minute thing. You saw
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: it before me. And I was like, well, hey, if
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: you want to, let's talk. And honestly, I'm glad we
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: did because I did not think it would be such
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: a discussion as much as it is. The buildup and
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: the reveal, I did not think that this was the
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: journey that it was going to take. The hell with
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the box office. I just didn't realize it would be...
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: People are like, it's the best thing I've ever seen.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it was painful to sit through his
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: life as if they had cancer in the asshole.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I just hope that this does not... And I don't
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: think it will because... as we've documented, he's a crazy person.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't scare Tom Cruise into safe roles.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Because this is the version of him, like as he
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: finishes out his career over the next 20 years or whatever,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I want to see more swings from him.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you will. Days of Thunder 2 is
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: coming out.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there we.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Go. Just kind of a rapid fire thing. I thought
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: it really did. Like, through it all, I find it
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: very interesting. And obviously, I know why. And again, this
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: is on the nose. But there is a part that reads,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: compliance is freedom. I really like that because I think
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: that is sort of like a cold water splash in
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the face of like, yes, you can only do so much.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: But don't get distracted. Don't become compliant. and just assume
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: that this will work out or that these people do
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: care about your, about you. And you know what I mean?
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Like in your best of, like, and, and I think
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: a lot, I think a lot of things just in
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: general have come to the forefront where I think the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: nastiness of just this huge divide in people with AI
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: and just the trillionaires and billionaires just in general is,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: has kind of made it feel yucky more than like,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: you know, Oh, there's rich people, but now it kind
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: of seems like, Oh, they like, they're kind of effing
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: with everything. And nobody's really being like, Hey, uh, no,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: no thanks.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Um, and that's, what's brought home in that, in that
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: kind of moment. Right. And especially the digger, we're all
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: doing this.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Right. And, but I just felt like compliance is freedom.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: is sort of a, like, uh, I can't find the word,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: but it's almost like it's compliance is freedom, but really
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: then it kind of skews the meaning of freedom. Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Well, it's freedom for who? It's freedom, freedom for us now. Exactly.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: What does it mean for the future?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Um, I will say this. I think Digger is
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: as original as it gets. People say, hey, give me
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: original stuff. Great. We'll make you have $ 8 million. Do
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: you think that Digger will be appreciated years from now?
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Do you find it that this is a misunderstood film
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: right out the gate?
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought this up because I've seen others
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: say this, so I'm certainly not the first one to
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: say this. I do. I think in the future, I
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  Speaker 3: think this is something that's going to grow on people
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  Speaker 3: over time, and I think it will be one of
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: those things that people turn into, this is my favorite movie,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: or this is one of my favorite movies that no
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: one ever saw.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't go to theaters and see? Right. I do, too.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping it's not correct in everything that it's expressing.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's predictions, yeah.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't want to live that way and I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: don't want, um, our kids to live in that, but
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I do think not everybody is catching on and even
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: people that like it and don't love it. I feel
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: like I could watch this in 10 years and probably
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: get something more out of it than we are talking today.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: But I do think there is this kind of misunderstanding,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: but I, but I also am, it's a very It's
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: a very confused bag that I'm holding because I also
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: do understand where it's kind of like, yes, but I
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: think it would be more definitive and like, yes, preach
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: if it made some other connections and spoke on, like
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I said, just at a different length and showed more
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: strength in areas than in the others. With that, and
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but There was
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: a film that came out a few years ago that
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: people didn't really appreciate. It was called Eddington. Since then,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: it appears that it may have really been onto something.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and ahead of the curve.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I think we've already kind of answered this. One, a
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: shout out to Eddington because a lot more things. It's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: kind of like The Simpsons. Some shit's coming true that
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think even made sense just a few years ago.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: But do you think Digger could end up the same way?
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And then I say, which I hope not, because we'll
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: be cooked.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you. I hope that the predictions are
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: not correct. But I think Eddington's a great comp for.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: And I think that's also a movie that people initially said,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: what is this?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: And now there's there's. grown appreciation for that since i
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: mean that's a relatively new release so there's not been
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: a ton of time right but but i think the
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: appreciation for it has grown and the data center thing
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  Speaker 3: right i don't know that i had even heard about
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: data centers much at all i don't think i have
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: either and so but look how quick that's such a
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  Speaker 3: big thing we recognize it now and that's not like
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  Speaker 3: 10 15 years ago yep and i i do think
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: digger will will get there um That's all I have.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: I was going to end just so people know. So
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to do a star rating. Um, I
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: just want people to know. So some of us, I'm
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: not sure about Kevin, but I know everybody else from
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: national movie dispatch has seen it. Stoney gave it four
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: out of five. Sean gave it four out of five.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I settled on three out of five just because of
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff. Like I said, it's again,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: it's a, it's a, It's a battle. I get the
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: four stars. I do. But like I said, there's some
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: things that are holding me back. What did you give it?
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I gave it a three and a half.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Three and a half. So I feel like everybody's rating
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: makes sense. I don't know if that will make sense
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: to anyone else. But three, three and a half, four,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I think it all makes sense. And that's just the
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: that's just the kind of film digger is i really
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: feel like you should just see it for yourself.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah we we broke into stoney's house to record this
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: but yeah i look forward to hearing his thoughts about.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: He's asleep he was asleep and giving actually he was
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: giving his cat.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: A bath in the sink i do i do remember
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: seeing that we were trying to be really quiet but
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: i do remember seeing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah So, all right. Well, thank you, Brent. Like I said,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: last minute thing, but I'm happy we did this. I
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: had no idea Digger would be the conversation starter that
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: it is. But so we're trying to get in on it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: But that's the that's the thing. Like, that's why we
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: need these movies. Like kind of a no publicity is
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: bad publicity.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: There's something to chew on.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: That there's not. with so many releases.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Let this weekend bring in $ 30 million for no flippin' reason. Yes. So, well,
• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:03
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