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"FRIEND" Says He SLEPT THROUGH DEATHS OF 3 CHIEFS FANS, BODIES IN HIS BACK YARD! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: There's a party watching the Kansas City Chiefs. And who
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Speaker 2: wouldn't everybody wants to see Taylor Swift right, excuse me,
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Speaker 2: everybody wants to see the Chiefs win. So four diehard
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Speaker 2: fans get together and they watch the game. So how
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Speaker 2: did three of them end up dead on the porch
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Speaker 2: in the backyard? Focus on porch right outside the door.
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Speaker 2: You can see it. How did three of the friends
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Speaker 2: end up dead? And the fourth friend claims he was
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Speaker 2: quote asleep for two days. He was asleep for two days.
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Speaker 2: He never went outside and saw the dead body. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I means he grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Sirius
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Speaker 2: XM one eleven.
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Speaker 3: What do we know? Listen?
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Speaker 4: On January eighth, friends and family of David Harrington, Ricky Johnson,
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Speaker 4: and Clayton mcginney are concerned about their friends. The last
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Speaker 4: they knew is they were headed to Jordan willis house
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Speaker 4: to watch the game. But now none of the guys,
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Speaker 4: including Jordan Willis, are replying to messages on social media
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Speaker 4: or by phone.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, January eight, it's cold. They are partying
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Speaker 2: at Jordan's home. Jordan willis the homeowner. They're watching the
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Speaker 2: Chiefs and the next thing you know, three or dead
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Speaker 2: and one claims he's been asleep for days with me
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Speaker 2: an all Star panel. But first I want to go
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Speaker 2: to the woman who has been breaking news about the
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Speaker 2: story from the get go. It's Jen Smith and she
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Speaker 2: is joining us from dailymail dot com. And that's where
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Speaker 2: I first found out about this, and it really does
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Speaker 2: hit me in the face.
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Speaker 3: This guy, Jordan Willis, I mean, he's no idiot. Is
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Speaker 3: that he a scientist.
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Speaker 2: He's a young guy, big Kansas City Chiefs fan, but
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Speaker 2: he's smart.
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Speaker 3: He's really smart.
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Speaker 2: I don't get how he sleeps for how many days
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Speaker 2: while his friends are dead in the backyard.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean very very fishy, to say the least.
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Speaker 5: Jordan Willis, as you rightly point out, is an accomplished scientist,
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Speaker 5: done loads of research into HIV and aids lots of
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Speaker 5: research into COVID nineteen very accomplished guy, no form of record,
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Speaker 5: living in the home in Kansas City, Missouri. He had
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Speaker 5: gone to high school with two of the three men
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Speaker 5: who were later found dead, was friends with the other
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Speaker 5: for many years. Seemingly a completely normal guy. He lived
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Speaker 5: alone in the house. He works from home. He had
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Speaker 5: his two beloved pet bills there.
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Speaker 3: How many pets does he.
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Speaker 5: Have is two pit bill mixes. They're called Sadie and Daisy.
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Speaker 2: Wait, Sadie and Daisy don't have to t t for
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Speaker 2: what seventy two hours?
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Speaker 5: Well, on this particular night, then the Daisy and Sadie
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Speaker 5: weren't in the host. According to Jordan Willis, they were
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Speaker 5: at his father's host, which he says is something that
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Speaker 5: is totally routine. He often sends them to his father's side,
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Speaker 5: so they weren't actually there, he claimed. When all of
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Speaker 5: this happened.
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Speaker 2: Okay, James shell Nutt joining me, high profile lawyer and
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Speaker 2: joining us out of Alabama twenty seven years metro major
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Speaker 2: case and a big city former SWAT now leads the
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Speaker 2: shell Nut Law firm. James shell Nutt, let me remind you,
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Speaker 2: defense attorney, there is no father son privilege like attorney
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Speaker 2: client or priest parishioner, no such thing. You know, husband wife,
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Speaker 2: The wife can't blab that the husband did it. So
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying is if this is true or not
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Speaker 2: true about the dogs being at the dad's house when
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Speaker 2: the three friends are found dead in the backyard and
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Speaker 2: on the porch.
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Speaker 3: He's got to testify.
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Speaker 6: If called, Absolutely, he's got to testify. And you know,
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Speaker 6: he can be suppended in front of a grand jury.
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Speaker 6: He doesn't have to talk to Investigators might come to
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Speaker 6: his house, but they can most certainly down the road
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Speaker 6: if it becomes necessary, subpoening him to a grand jury,
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Speaker 6: and then he will be forced to testify unless he
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Speaker 6: himself or to take the Fifth Amendment.
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Speaker 3: Now you know, Shechelle Nutt.
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Speaker 2: I never discuss politics because I don't want crime and
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Speaker 2: crime victims to become some kind of political football. But
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Speaker 2: when this reality of the law came to the forefront
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Speaker 2: was during the Bill Clinton era when Monica Lewinsky's mother
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Speaker 2: was called to a grand jury and everybody was screaming, Oh,
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Speaker 2: the mother's gonna have to testify.
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Speaker 3: That's wrong. Illegal. It's not.
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Speaker 2: It is not illegal. Mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers. They have
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Speaker 2: to testify. They cannot take the fifth They've got to
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Speaker 2: tell the truth about their relative, their son, their daughter.
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Speaker 2: So that's when it came to the forefront, harsh as
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Speaker 2: it is. Of course, I'm not saying the mom or
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Speaker 2: the dad won't lie under oath. I mean, take a
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Speaker 2: look at Casey Anthony top mom. Her mother, Cindy Anthony,
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Speaker 2: a very nice lady, got up on the stand and
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Speaker 2: she I believe perjured herself and took the heat, claiming
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Speaker 2: that she made the searches for homemade chloroform, which she
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Speaker 2: said she meant to type chlorophyl. Okay, whatever that said,
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Speaker 2: she still got called to the stand. So if what
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Speaker 2: Jen Smith is telling us, chief investigative reporter at dallymail
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Speaker 2: dot com is true, the dad, I guarantee you it's
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Speaker 2: going to be a questioned. But back to the three
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Speaker 2: dead bodies. Listen to Sidney Sumner from Crime on Line.
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Speaker 7: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine to fifty one pm, Clayton
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Speaker 7: McGhee's fiance shows up at the house. She sees the
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Speaker 7: cars in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the
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Speaker 7: phone or replying to messages, she breaks into the home
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Speaker 7: and screams Willis's name. She has had no communication with
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Speaker 7: her partner for two days and she wants answers. She
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Speaker 7: walks through the house and doesn't find her fiance. Then
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Speaker 7: she looks on the back porch and sees a body.
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Speaker 3: Holy moly.
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Speaker 2: So the fiance has been trying to reach all of
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Speaker 2: these guys. Let me understand Jess Smith joining us dailymail
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Speaker 2: dot com. Did she just call her fiance Clayton mcghiney,
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Speaker 2: or does she try to reach the homeowner, Jordan Willis olive.
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Speaker 5: Abus She tried to reach Clayton. She tried to reach
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Speaker 5: Jordan Willis. The other families also tried to reach him
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Speaker 5: before the fiance eventually went the house on and she
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Speaker 5: ended up breaking in, actually through the basement because she
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Speaker 5: don't know retorm when she finds on the door. Other
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Speaker 5: families have gone there and bind on the door. I
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Speaker 5: tried to get in. They sent Jordan Willis basbook messages,
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Speaker 5: they call them, all of which they received silence for all.
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Speaker 5: So it wasn't as if this was her first attempt.
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Speaker 2: Including calling all the friends, all four of them, including
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Speaker 2: the home owner. And I'm not calling him the per
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Speaker 2: or the defendant because he as of right now has
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Speaker 2: not been charged with a crime. Okay, let's pick it
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Speaker 2: up with fiance going through that breaking in. I mean,
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Speaker 2: she sees the cars out front, she sees that they're
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Speaker 2: all still there, but nobody's answering the door the phone
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Speaker 2: messages nothing, so she breaks in wisely and starts screaming,
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Speaker 2: let's pick it up. But how did the whole thing start? Okay,
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Speaker 2: let's freeze the screaming fiance in time.
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Speaker 3: How did this day start off? Listen?
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Speaker 4: January seven is a football day for the Kansas City Chiefs,
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Speaker 4: as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers, So
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Speaker 4: thirty eight year old Jordan Willis a couple of buddies
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Speaker 4: to come to his house and watch the game. David Harrington,
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Speaker 4: Ricky Johnson, and Clayton mcginney arrive at willis house in
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Speaker 4: time for the three twenty five pm Central Time kickoff.
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Speaker 4: They enjoy the game as the Chiefs beat the Chargers
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Speaker 4: thirteen to twelve, and Willis makes plans for them to
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Speaker 4: all get tickets for the next home game.
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Speaker 3: Okay, what happens?
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Speaker 6: Then?
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Speaker 7: After the game, Jordan Willis waves the guys off and
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Speaker 7: crashes on the couch. Willis is known two of the
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Speaker 7: men since they were in high school, and the other
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Speaker 7: is a friend. Willis wakes up later and doesn't see
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Speaker 7: the guys, so he assumes they took off and heads
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Speaker 7: to bed. He leaves the doors unlocked, so the guys
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Speaker 7: can come and go as they please.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Back to you, Jenn Smith joining us
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Speaker 2: from Daily Mail. He leaves the doors unlocked, but when
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Speaker 2: the fiancee got there, everything was locked up tight.
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Speaker 5: Very very strange, and I want to go back to
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Speaker 5: his story about when he goes to sleep, Wendy leave.
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Speaker 5: This has changed quite a few times since this story
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Speaker 5: came across all of our guests. Now he has an
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Speaker 5: attorney who I spoke with.
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Speaker 3: Yet, wait a minute, did you say he's lawyered up?
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Speaker 5: He is lawyered up, Nancy. Okay, So initially he claimed
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Speaker 5: I left them all to hang out in the living
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Speaker 5: room and I go upstairs to bed. Now the story
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Speaker 5: is I waved them goodbye, saw them out the house,
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Speaker 5: then returned to the couch where I crashed. Then at
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Speaker 5: some stage went from the couch to my bedroom, and
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Speaker 5: sometime after that he believes they came back to hang
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Speaker 5: out because they didn't want to go elsewhere to a bar.
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Speaker 5: And that's when he's claiming there was Whatever happened happened.
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Speaker 5: But this timeline is very strange and it's changed a lot.
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Speaker 5: I mean, he says, I asked him, well, how did
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Speaker 5: they get back in if you've gone to bed. Oh,
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Speaker 5: I left the doors unlocked, but like you right, literally
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Speaker 5: point out when the fiance shows up two days later,
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Speaker 5: she can't get in the house.
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Speaker 3: Okay, he's right. One of the stories.
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Speaker 2: Is that they watched the game, they made plans to
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Speaker 2: buy tickets for the next game, and the three friends
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Speaker 2: left and he went to sleep on the sofa then
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Speaker 2: later went to his bed. The other story is that
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Speaker 2: he went to bed and he left them all down
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Speaker 2: there partying.
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Speaker 3: Is that right? Or did see saying they left and
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Speaker 3: then they came back?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. The initial story was, and this is
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Speaker 5: coming from his lawyer, that he went to bed leaving
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Speaker 5: them there, and then it changed yesterday to no, no, no,
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Speaker 5: I misspoke. What I meant to say was he waved
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Speaker 5: them off, they left, He then fell asleep on the
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Speaker 5: coach and then later goes up to bed and they
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Speaker 5: must have come back somehow. So that's a very significant
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Speaker 5: ship in narrative about the night in the question.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with me.
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Speaker 3: You know what's interesting to doctor Jory L.
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Speaker 2: Craften joining US psychologist's former law enforcement now faculty at
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Speaker 2: Saint Leo University and consultant with the blue Wall Institute,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Jory, thank you for being with us. You know,
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Speaker 2: I remember distinctly, crystal clear, the last time I saw
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Speaker 2: my fiance alive, the day he was murdered. He drove
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Speaker 2: out of my driveway. I was living with my parents.
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Speaker 2: He held his left arm out of his car on
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Speaker 2: his way back where he lived in Athens and waved
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Speaker 2: at me. That's the last time I saw him. I
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Speaker 2: remember the last time I saw my dad before he
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Speaker 2: passed away. But this guy seems to have a hard
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Speaker 2: time remembering exactly when he saw his friends alive. They're
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Speaker 2: all dead now.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's I would take two different perceptions of this.
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Speaker 8: You know that he's changing his story as one and
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Speaker 8: he may have used like a sleep aid, you know,
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Speaker 8: and the sleep aid helps him go to sleep, but
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Speaker 8: it also kind of affects memory, the ability to form memories,
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Speaker 8: and that comes from, you know, once you get into
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Speaker 8: a deep sleep, that's where memories are really getting organized
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Speaker 8: and range sleep. Certain medications like an ambient There's been
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Speaker 8: a lot of research about ambient behavior, people falling asleep,
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Speaker 8: getting up and doing things and not remembering.
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about him taking some sort of a
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Speaker 2: sleep aid or some type of medicine like cough medicine
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Speaker 2: that would make him groggy and some ambulance. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 2: you know what I want to follow up on that,
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Speaker 2: Jenna Smith dalimil dot com. Is there any mention of
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Speaker 2: a sleep aid or any type of medication that would
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Speaker 2: make him let me just say groggy as a vernacular
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Speaker 2: for some ambulant state in decir.
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Speaker 5: Nothing so far in antsy. So one of the questions
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Speaker 5: I asked his attorney yesterday was specifically, were there any
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Speaker 5: drugs involved in the evening? Were there any drugs taken
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Speaker 5: by the group by Jordan in the house.
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Speaker 3: He refused to answer, but so far, nothing about any
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Speaker 3: Let's just say, Robertessen.
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Speaker 5: No, nothing like that.
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Speaker 2: I mean nabanaderil, no.
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Speaker 5: Mention of anything. He did mention that they had been drinking,
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Speaker 5: but nothing about any kind of sleep aid or other
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Speaker 5: types of legal drugs. Nothing like that.
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Speaker 2: Is anyone remembering this so called cough syrup killer who
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Speaker 2: claimed he was some ambulant when he murdered his wife.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to hour cut seventeen. This is Matthew
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Speaker 2: Phelps desperately calling.
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Speaker 9: Nine to one one that exactly what happened.
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Speaker 10: I think that's true love?
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Speaker 8: What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 11: What happened?
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Speaker 10: I have a dream and then I turned on the
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Speaker 10: lights and she stared on the floor.
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Speaker 8: How how.
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Speaker 10: I'm I'm hind of blood all over me and there's
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Speaker 10: a bloody knife on the bed, and I think I
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Speaker 10: did it?
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Speaker 3: Do you think you did it?
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Speaker 6: Hell?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you did it? Listen.
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Speaker 11: Okay, she is? She awaken? All right?
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Speaker 8: Now?
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Speaker 11: What makes you think she's dead? If she?
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Speaker 8: Wait?
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Speaker 10: She thought? Pretty good?
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Speaker 11: Okay, oh lord god, okay, do you think he is God?
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Speaker 11: Beyond any help? I'm too scared to get too close
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Speaker 11: to her. Okay, just stay on the phone with me. There,
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Speaker 11: I'm mom, I'm here with you. I'm here with you.
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Speaker 2: Scared, I'm scared. Yes, Sidney, you better roll your eyes.
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Speaker 2: She rolled her eyes. It's the same time I rolled
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Speaker 2: my eyes. Hey, can you find out how many times
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Speaker 2: he stabbed?
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Speaker 8: Her? Said?
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Speaker 3: Okay?
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Speaker 2: But wait, wait wait wait, but before you do that,
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Speaker 2: it ain't over yet. Have you noticed how calm he is? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think she's dead, but I'm afraid to touch her. Really.
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Speaker 3: Okay, more, when did you?
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Speaker 11: When did you wake up? I don't know.
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Speaker 10: I took more medicine than I should have.
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Speaker 11: What madeicin ADP.
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Speaker 10: That's a that's a course. Eating cost some cold corse
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Speaker 10: cold because I know it can make you feel good.
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Speaker 10: So a lot of times I can't sleep at night.
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Speaker 2: All right, okay, repertising you're not guilty, course, and HP
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Speaker 2: you're on the docket. Sydney found out for me how
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Speaker 2: many times he had stabbed his wife? Does anybody just
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Speaker 2: even want to guess? You know, let me throw it
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Speaker 2: to you, justin Borman, I ain't gone to you yet,
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Speaker 2: wild guess how many times?
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Speaker 3: Don't look it up?
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Speaker 11: I'm not looking it up?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm guessing twenty four?
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Speaker 2: Okay, good guess, because I was thinking nineteen. Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 2: You haven't looked it up?
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Speaker 8: Have you?
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Speaker 10: I have not?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I had a feeling that laid back doctor Kendl
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Speaker 2: Crowns had not looked it up. Just give me a
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Speaker 2: wild guess. How many times Mark did he stab his
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Speaker 2: wife while he was asleep? And for those of you
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Speaker 2: that can't see me, I'm absolutely using air quotes.
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Speaker 3: How many times?
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Speaker 2: Just throw it out there are Dodtor Crown's, Uh.
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Speaker 3: Good guess one hundred and twenty three?
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Speaker 2: Oh, only one hundred and twenty three stab woods and
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Speaker 2: he slapped through the whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to.
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Speaker 2: Dave matt Yeah right climeboline dot com.
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Speaker 12: Matthew Phelps is a twenty nine year old Bible College
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Speaker 12: graduate with a fascination for the movie American Psycho. He
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Speaker 12: calls nine one one just after one of the morning,
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Speaker 12: claiming his wife Lauren has been stabbed. He tells police
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Speaker 12: he took some cold medicine with corus sedon and went
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Speaker 12: to sleep. When he woke up, his wife was dead
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Speaker 12: and a knife was on the bed. Lauren Phelps had
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Speaker 12: been stabbed more than one hundred times, and even though
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Speaker 12: they find blood evidence at the scene, investigators determined that
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Speaker 12: Phelps cleaned up a lot of the blood before he
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Speaker 12: made the nine to one one call. During their investigation,
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Speaker 12: police find out Phelps has told friends he wonders what
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Speaker 12: it would be like to kill someone and he likes
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Speaker 12: to take cold medicine for fun. Phelps has charged with
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Speaker 12: first degree murder, and after trying to use the cold
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Speaker 12: medicine defense, he pleads guilty and his sentence to life
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Speaker 12: in prison without parole.
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Speaker 2: So doctor Jory crawls and I'm so glad that you
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Speaker 2: brought up. Maybe he had what bemadrill. Yeah, don't care,
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Speaker 2: don't care. And as Jenn Smith is telling us, there's
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Speaker 2: been no mention of any sleep aid whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: So let's get back to what really happened.
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Speaker 2: Who is this guy who is the homeowner as he
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Speaker 2: has been described, Jordon Willis take a listen to investigative
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Speaker 2: reporter Rachel Monia with Crime online dot com.
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Speaker 13: Jordan Willis is an HIV researcher and protein scientist who
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Speaker 13: lives and works in his home in Kansas City, Missouri.
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Speaker 13: Willis is an accomplished scientist whose research into COVID and
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Speaker 13: HIV has been praised in the medical world. In interviews,
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Speaker 13: he describes his two pitbull mixes, Sadie and Daisy, as
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Speaker 13: the light of his life.
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Speaker 2: Okay, joining me is a renowned medical examiner, the chief
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Speaker 2: medical Examiner inter County That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of
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Speaker 2: Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall
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Speaker 2: Crown's Doctor Crown, thank you for being with us. What
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Speaker 2: is a protein scientist?
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Speaker 14: A protein scientist they they are the people that work
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Speaker 14: with developing immunizations and things of that nature. They're working
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Speaker 14: at like kind of more cellular molecular level with the
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Speaker 14: actual proteins that make up our bodies.
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Speaker 2: Okay, could you just stop right there. I learned a
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Speaker 2: lot of Latin phrases in law school, but nothing about
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Speaker 2: what you just said. What just slow down speed limit
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Speaker 2: seventy five mph?
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Speaker 3: Okay please?
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Speaker 14: What protein scientists is basically someone who is looking at
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Speaker 14: very detailed, minute molecular things that are associated with the body.
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Speaker 14: They're often associated with developing immunizations and figuring out how
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Speaker 14: viruses work, things of that nature.
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Speaker 2: He sounds brilliant, right to figure out to research and
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Speaker 2: develop advancements in COVID nineteen immunizations and vaccines and for HIV.
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Speaker 2: I mean, am I getting that right?
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Speaker 3: Jen Smith?
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Speaker 9: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Exactly that. That was a huge mind his research. He's
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Speaker 5: celebrated in the fields, given plenty of the interviews. You know,
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Speaker 5: a great education, and they are really promising young scientists
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Speaker 5: by all.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so can we get back to the free dead
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Speaker 2: bodies one on the porch. Let's get back to what happened.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen now to our friend Nicole parton Crime Online.
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Speaker 4: Seeing a body on the back porch, still screaming. Jordan
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Speaker 4: Willis's name, Clayton mcguinnea's fiance, calls police. Officers arrived to
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Speaker 4: find Willis in his underwear with an empty glass of
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Speaker 4: wine in hand. According to the victims' families, the other
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Speaker 4: two bodies were then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis
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Speaker 4: tells police he has no idea what happened.
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Speaker 2: Okay, justin, Boardman joining me, Former Detective West Valley CDPD
20:52
Speaker 2: Special Victims Unit now with Boardman training and consulting. Ma'am, Justin,
20:59
Speaker 2: you're joining us out of Kansas. Was there what was
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Speaker 2: there any snow on that day that would have been
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Speaker 2: jan seven?
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Speaker 11: You know there was some snow.
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Speaker 9: The reports say that there was like an inch or two,
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Speaker 9: just barely a skiff if.
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Speaker 2: You will, okay, let me absorb what you just said,
21:19
Speaker 2: because if there were three feet of snow and there
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Speaker 2: was a body under there, maybe I could accept that
21:27
Speaker 2: the homeowner, Jordan.
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Speaker 3: Willis didn't see it. Did you say a skiff?
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Speaker 9: A what a skiff? A skiff so an intersue of snow,
21:38
Speaker 9: so not enough to cover a body to where you
21:40
Speaker 9: would not see.
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Speaker 3: It, much less one on the back porch.
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Speaker 9: Right, especially one on the back porch. And then others
21:45
Speaker 9: out in the yard. When you look at the photographs
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Speaker 9: from some of the articles, it has without the snow,
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Speaker 9: but pictures of the backyard there isn't any brush back there.
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Speaker 9: It's pretty plain.
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Speaker 2: Is that true? Jen Smith is justin Borman? Correct, he's
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Speaker 2: joining us from Kansas. What can you tell me?
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Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean it was pretty I think the temperature
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Speaker 5: on John seventh went to freezing, you know, thirty two fahrenheit,
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Speaker 5: but no indication of huge piles of snow that would
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Speaker 5: have concealed bodies. And you know, thirty two fahrenheit. If
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Speaker 5: that was going to kill you, you'd have to be out
22:17
Speaker 5: there for a very long time. You'd have to be
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Speaker 5: nutritionally compromised them and severely dehirdrated as well.
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Speaker 2: I think, why would they just be out there for
22:25
Speaker 2: that long? Do we have a cod at Jen Smith's
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Speaker 2: cause of death?
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Speaker 5: No, we don't, And obviously this is going to really
22:31
Speaker 5: put the pieces of the puzzle together. The medical examiner
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Speaker 5: is yet to reveal cause of death, any form of
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Speaker 5: even estimation about what happened. And crucially, we don't have
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Speaker 5: toxicology yet for the three men who were found dead,
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Speaker 5: and that could explain a huge amount. But right now,
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Speaker 5: no answers.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that it's really explaining anything for me,
22:53
Speaker 2: because even if they had smoked some pot, even if
22:56
Speaker 2: they had had some alcohol, that would not make them,
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Speaker 2: That would not induce them to stay out in freezing
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Speaker 2: temperatures and not come back in. That's right, or get
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Speaker 2: in their car or bang on the door anything, that's right? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: what more do we know? Listen?
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Speaker 12: On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not
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Speaker 12: leave his home at all. He would normally have to
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Speaker 12: take his dogs, Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business,
23:22
Speaker 12: but they're all staying at his dad's place without having
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Speaker 12: to take the dogs out and not leaving the house
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Speaker 12: for any reason. Jordan Willis doesn't realize his buddy's cars
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Speaker 12: are still parked outside his house.
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Speaker 2: Let me understand something, Jen Smith joining us from dailymail
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Speaker 2: dot com, who has been breaking the knees on the story.
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Speaker 2: So when the cops get there, he saunterers in in
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Speaker 2: his boxer shorts holding a glass of wine.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's holding an empty wineglass. Now, the victims family
23:54
Speaker 5: took this to mean he was still drinking or drinking
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Speaker 5: that morning. He claims it was a left over empty
24:01
Speaker 5: glass from the night before that he was using for Walter.
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Speaker 5: But he is, you know, by the looks of things,
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Speaker 5: who just got out of bed in his faults for short.
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Speaker 5: When the police arrives, he lets them in and they
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Speaker 5: find the three other bodies.
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Speaker 2: And that's January ninth, correct, that's January ninth, Yes, And.
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Speaker 3: The party was January seventh.
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Speaker 5: Party begins at nine pm on January seventh. We know
24:21
Speaker 5: that Willis says that the others left or he went
24:24
Speaker 5: to bed at around two am, So we have all
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Speaker 5: day on of course, the remainder of the night January
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Speaker 5: seventh and eighth, all day January eighth, the night of
24:33
Speaker 5: January eighth, and then the final discovery is on January
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Speaker 5: ninethe in the morning.
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Speaker 3: Man, that'd be all over this looking for receipts.
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Speaker 2: I'll be looking for.
24:41
Speaker 3: A digital record.
24:42
Speaker 2: What about a James shell Nutt you are a former
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Speaker 2: cop before you turn defense attorney, I would be all
24:48
Speaker 2: up in his text. Did he order in, did he
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Speaker 2: do an instacart? Did he leave? Did he leave the home?
24:57
Speaker 2: He didn't see his friend's car still part there. I'm
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Speaker 2: just having a hard time believing this.
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Speaker 6: I agree one hundred percent. Did he communicate with anybody
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Speaker 6: at all? Number two? You know, when you think about
25:08
Speaker 6: phones nowadays and technology nowadays, a lot of times you
25:10
Speaker 6: can tell if someone actually reads your text. So, even
25:14
Speaker 6: if he didn't proactively contact anyone, is there any indication
25:17
Speaker 6: that he read other people's messages they received, whether it's
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Speaker 6: on Facebook, whether it's on his phone or some other methods.
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Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right about those messages. I was thinking,
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Speaker 2: did he go out for pizza, did he leave the house?
25:29
Speaker 2: Did he go to an ATM? But we know more now.
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Speaker 2: Listen to Rachel Benia and Dave Mackett Crime Online.
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Speaker 13: As news starts to spread of the three friends freezing
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Speaker 13: to death in the backyard while their friend is asleep inside,
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Speaker 13: the families of the victims begin to speak out and
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Speaker 13: ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis is what
25:49
Speaker 13: happened next?
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Speaker 11: Was?
25:51
Speaker 2: Why didn't you.
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Speaker 13: Answer calls, text messages and social media messages from family
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Speaker 13: and friends of the three.
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Speaker 12: Men, the Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the
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Speaker 12: next two days in his home, not thinking anything of
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Speaker 12: the fact that his friends cars were still outside, and
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Speaker 12: only learned they died when the fiance of one of
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Speaker 12: the men, broke into the house on January ninth in
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Speaker 12: the hopes of finding him.
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Speaker 2: The changing stories are a problem, and Jenn Smith Daily Mail,
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Speaker 2: do we know, as shall not pointed out, whether he
26:20
Speaker 2: was reading those texts and those online messages.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, this is going to be huge once
26:28
Speaker 5: it's properly probe. He says that he did not see them.
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Speaker 5: We don't know yet. The messages predominantly were on Facebook Messenger,
26:37
Speaker 5: which you can tell whether or not someone has read
26:39
Speaker 5: your message. Now, the families haven't indicated specifically whether or
26:44
Speaker 5: not they got that you know, read receipt, but you could,
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Speaker 5: for the sake of argument, see that the relatives of
26:52
Speaker 5: you know, your dead friend, we're trying to contact you,
26:54
Speaker 5: just not simply not open the message. We don't know
26:57
Speaker 5: is the answer to your question that see whether or
26:59
Speaker 5: not he opened the messages. All we know is he
27:02
Speaker 5: says he didn't see them, and only saw them after
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Speaker 5: the police came to the film on January ninth and
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Speaker 5: the bodies were fine.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious as to what his reaction was when he
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Speaker 2: realized all three of his friends are dead.
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Speaker 5: Well, he's been he himself actually has not spoken to
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Speaker 5: the media. He has actually moved out of this house now,
27:23
Speaker 5: he's deleted all of his social media accounts. So all
27:26
Speaker 5: of the communication about how he's feeling, what he's thinking
27:28
Speaker 5: is coming through this attorney. And the attorney tells me
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Speaker 5: that he is, you know, devastated, actiously awaiting more information
27:37
Speaker 5: from the police about how his friends died, consistence that
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Speaker 5: he wanted no harm to come to them, that they
27:42
Speaker 5: had the plans to go to the next chief game.
27:45
Speaker 5: But he himself is yet to make any kind of
27:49
Speaker 5: public statements or give any interviews about this. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I think all of us have so many answered questions
27:56
Speaker 5: that if he just answered them with the truth, it
28:01
Speaker 5: would explain a lot. But he hasn't said anything. He's
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Speaker 5: relying on his attorney to do the.
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Speaker 2: Talking for I find that curious as well. I'm also
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Speaker 2: curious if he's going to show up at their funerals. Guys,
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Speaker 2: it's not the first time someone claims they slept through
28:17
Speaker 2: a death. Take a listen to our cut sixteen from
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Speaker 2: Crime Online.
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Speaker 12: Forty two year old Barbara Woods is at home and
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Speaker 12: bed asleep with her husband when her son in law,
28:26
Speaker 12: Kenneth Parks sneaks into the bedroom, stabs and chokes her.
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Speaker 12: Husband then turns his rage on her, using a tire
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Speaker 12: iron to beat her about the head and a knife
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Speaker 12: to stab her four times, causing her death. Parks is
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Speaker 12: charged with the murder, and at trial, his attorney claims
28:41
Speaker 12: that on the night of the killing, Kenneth Parks was
28:44
Speaker 12: plunged into a deep, deep sleep. His next memory is
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Speaker 12: seeing his mother in law's face. The attorney said he
28:51
Speaker 12: then regained consciousness and fled the house and drove to
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Speaker 12: a nearby police station. According to his attorney, the twenty
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Speaker 12: four year old Kenneth Parks was sleepwalking as he drove
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Speaker 12: the fourteen miles to his mother in law's house and
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Speaker 12: killed her in bed, wounding his father in law. The
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Speaker 12: jury agreed and Parks was acquitted.
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Speaker 3: That's true.
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Speaker 2: Barbara Woods at home asleep with her husband, her son
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Speaker 2: in law, drives fourteen miles.
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Speaker 3: To their home.
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Speaker 2: He says, in his sleep, murders the mother in law
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Speaker 2: and father, beating them with a tire iron, killing the
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Speaker 2: mother in law, wounding the father in law, and he
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Speaker 2: was acquitted. That's right, Kenneth Parks. I'm having a hard
29:42
Speaker 2: time letting that so Ken, but there's more.
29:46
Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut twenty one.
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Speaker 12: Living in a three story home in Buffalo, New York,
29:51
Speaker 12: while attending the University of Buffalo, Elena's able and her
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Speaker 12: roommates go to a party at the Sigma Kay fraternity
29:56
Speaker 12: not far from their house. One of the roommates headed
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Speaker 12: home earlier than rest, and by the time Zabel made
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Speaker 12: it back to the house, the door was locked and
30:03
Speaker 12: she didn't have a key. Zabel climbs through a bathroom
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Speaker 12: window and notices a weird smell calling out for her roommate.
30:10
Speaker 12: She doesn't get a reply, but here's heavy breathing and
30:13
Speaker 12: thinks her roommate is asleep, so she goes to betterself.
30:16
Speaker 12: Her roommate isn't sleeping at that very moment, she's being
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Speaker 12: brutally attacked. Hours later, Zabel awakes and finds her roommate
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Speaker 12: clinging to life. Nine one one is called and the
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Speaker 12: roommate is rushed at the hospital, where she spends months
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Speaker 12: in a coma and a recovery that was very long.
30:31
Speaker 12: Many people question why it took so long to call
30:34
Speaker 12: for help. Hours between the attack and the call for help.
30:38
Speaker 12: Four years later, the serial rapist was convicted of rape
30:41
Speaker 12: and attempted.
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Speaker 1: Murder Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Jen Smith.
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Speaker 2: One very disturbing fact of this case three friends dead
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Speaker 2: in the backyard. You don't answer text messages, phone calls
31:09
Speaker 2: for now three days, jan seven, eight and nine when
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Speaker 2: police get there on the ninth. But the changing of
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Speaker 2: the stories that shouldn't change. That what happened should not change,
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Speaker 2: Jen Smith, What is the most disturbing change in the story?
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Speaker 5: I mean, for me, it has to be the fact
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Speaker 5: that initially the story was he left them inside the hose,
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Speaker 5: hanging out downstairs, and then the second iteration of the
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Speaker 5: story is no, no, no, they left. I waved them goodbye,
31:40
Speaker 5: and then at some stage they must have come back.
31:43
Speaker 5: One thing I do want to say, and this goes
31:45
Speaker 5: back to the fact that Jordan Willis hasn't yet spoken
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Speaker 5: to the media himself. Changing stories could be down to
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Speaker 5: a really ill equipped or this incompetent attorney. Right, all
31:56
Speaker 5: we've heard on Jordan Willis's behalf is coming from his attorney.
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Speaker 5: Now as Jordan Willis has his story straight and he's
32:03
Speaker 5: letting his lawyers do all the talking, and the lawyer
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Speaker 5: is changing the story. It's in his best interest to
32:08
Speaker 5: get out there and set the record straight. But if
32:11
Speaker 5: it is the case that he's been changing his story
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Speaker 5: to his lawyer, who has been, you know, contemporaneously changing
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Speaker 5: it to the press, that's going to be hugely problematic
32:21
Speaker 5: for him down the lane. If there's a criminal.
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Speaker 2: Case, guys, he says he slept through the whole thing
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Speaker 2: and had no idea what was going on. But others disagree.
32:30
Speaker 2: Many others disagree. Take a listen to our fourteen with
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Speaker 2: the cole parton.
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Speaker 4: John Piserno, and attorney representing Willis, said his client had
32:39
Speaker 4: no idea his friends were dead until police knocked on
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Speaker 4: his door. The New York Post shared a Facebook post
32:46
Speaker 4: from Kaylee Lettier, who wrote, my husband banged on his
32:49
Speaker 4: door for twenty minutes. Lttier continued, my friend banged on
32:53
Speaker 4: his door and then busted a window and yelled and
32:56
Speaker 4: announced her presence while she's inside and still nothing from him.
33:01
Speaker 4: Then the cops come ten minutes later, and he comes
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Speaker 4: out nonchalant in his boxers with an empty wine glass
33:08
Speaker 4: in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave Clay and Ricky
33:12
Speaker 4: need and deserve justice.
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I'm trying to figure out Jen Smith.
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Speaker 2: Do the relatives and friends of the victims believe Jordan Willis.
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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not, under no circumstances. They say that none
33:28
Speaker 5: of this adds up. They need more information, and they
33:32
Speaker 5: are devastated at the not only their deaths, but the
33:36
Speaker 5: lack of information from him, someone who had apparently been
33:40
Speaker 5: friends with them since they were at high school, who
33:42
Speaker 5: would know their their families. I'm from the police, you know.
33:46
Speaker 5: From the get go, the police said nothing to see here,
33:49
Speaker 5: no foul play. We're going to carry on our investigation.
33:52
Speaker 5: But we have the reason to believe anyone is in danger,
33:55
Speaker 5: nor do we have any reason to believe Jordan Willis
33:58
Speaker 5: did anything wrong making that kind of statement before you
34:01
Speaker 5: have a cause of death. They may have been a
34:05
Speaker 5: bit hasty there, and the families are rightfully questioning why
34:10
Speaker 5: they are so comfortable stating that there is no foul
34:13
Speaker 5: play when the investigation isn't complete. We don't even have
34:16
Speaker 5: a cause of death yet.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kunal Kra's, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance County Fort Worth.
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Speaker 2: If the bodies became frozen, would that affect finding out
34:28
Speaker 2: a CEO D cause of death?
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Speaker 14: No, Actually, the cooling or the freezing of the bodies
34:33
Speaker 14: will slow down decomposition and actually prevent decomposition so that
34:38
Speaker 14: it will maintain the body itself, so they it won't
34:42
Speaker 14: alter a cause of death at all. One thing you
34:46
Speaker 14: have to think of with three individuals dying suddenly, there
34:48
Speaker 14: has to be a commonality between all three of them
34:52
Speaker 14: in an environmental factor of the fact that they're all healthy.
34:55
Speaker 14: They just can't think that they wouldn't get themselves out
34:58
Speaker 14: of a cold situation. So, you know, could it be drugs?
35:01
Speaker 14: Could it be something else? And you also have to
35:04
Speaker 14: throw in there you have a research scientist and his
35:07
Speaker 14: three friends are all now dead. It's all very odd.
35:10
Speaker 2: Yes, odd. There's definitely smoke, but is there fire? I
35:14
Speaker 2: believe that you can sleep through something a crime happening
35:22
Speaker 2: in the next room or right above you. What about
35:27
Speaker 2: the roommates of the Idaho students in the Brian Coburger
35:31
Speaker 2: murder case.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to Dave Mack.
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Speaker 12: Dylan Mortenson and Bethany Funk were both home when Brian
35:38
Speaker 12: Coberger allegedly snuck into their home in the early morning
35:41
Speaker 12: hours and stabbed Matty Mogan, Kayley Goanzavez, Xanacronodle and Ethan
35:44
Speaker 12: shapen to death in their beds. The New York Posts
35:47
Speaker 12: reported the two women were texting each other while the
35:50
Speaker 12: murders were happening, and Dylan Mortensen came face to face
35:54
Speaker 12: with the killer right after the attack and gave a
35:57
Speaker 12: description of the alleged murderers, saying he was wearing black
36:00
Speaker 12: and had bushy eyebrows. This information caused a lot of
36:03
Speaker 12: online attacks, with people wondering why if they were home
36:06
Speaker 12: and awake during the attacks and Mortensen saw the man
36:10
Speaker 12: dressed in black, why did it take hours before police
36:14
Speaker 12: were called.
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Speaker 3: We're waiting to hear answers to that.
36:17
Speaker 2: There have been a lot of suggestions online amongst trolls
36:21
Speaker 2: that the two surviving roommates actually had something to do
36:25
Speaker 2: with their murders. That's not true. I can emphatically state
36:29
Speaker 2: that is not true. These two girls had nothing to
36:33
Speaker 2: do with those four murders.
36:36
Speaker 3: But what about this case?
36:37
Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Jory craws In psychologist, former law enforcement now
36:41
Speaker 2: faculty Saint Leo University, what do you think.
36:45
Speaker 8: Really, there's got to be a commonality something in their deaths.
36:48
Speaker 8: It maybe like drugs or something, some kind of a
36:52
Speaker 8: drug de od possibly, But you know, certain types of drugs,
36:56
Speaker 8: you know, like fentanyl. You could tell from the bodies possibly,
37:01
Speaker 8: but if they're frozen, they're going to be just kind
37:03
Speaker 8: of locked in that state.
37:04
Speaker 2: No, we don't have any reason to think these guys
37:08
Speaker 2: were using drugs.
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Speaker 3: Shall night, What do you think?
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Speaker 11: All right?
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Speaker 6: I'm in total agreement that there's a commonality. You know,
37:14
Speaker 6: when you talk about drugs, you know, you also talk tell.
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Speaker 2: You know what, forget the commonality? All right, that's not
37:21
Speaker 2: really telling me anything. Yes, they probably all were killed
37:24
Speaker 2: the same way.
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Speaker 6: Well, we've talked a lot about drugs.
37:27
Speaker 2: I haven't talked a lot about drugs because nobody said
37:29
Speaker 2: they were using drugs.
37:31
Speaker 6: Well, you know, we've talked about whether or not something
37:34
Speaker 6: could have been ingested, and the bottom line is that
37:36
Speaker 6: could be drugs, but it could be a poison as well.
37:39
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Am I the only one that sees the
37:43
Speaker 2: elephant in the room. A man claims he's totally unaware
37:48
Speaker 2: of search efforts for three of his friends.
37:52
Speaker 3: They are there for three.
37:54
Speaker 2: Days Jan Seven, eight and nine. His story is checking
38:01
Speaker 2: they're dead. Was on the back porch, Hello, you can
38:04
Speaker 2: see it from inside. The other two are out in
38:07
Speaker 2: the garden. And he says he knew nothing. What that
38:13
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me, Jenn Smith, could you help
38:16
Speaker 2: me please? I mean, you want me to believe three
38:19
Speaker 2: guys go in the backyard and drop dead.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't think that's what happened. And I think
38:23
Speaker 5: what we maybe we're trying to get at here is
38:26
Speaker 5: both could be He could have, you know, lied about
38:29
Speaker 5: not knowing anything, and they could have died of some
38:32
Speaker 5: kind of accidental overdose, you know, different type of recreational
38:36
Speaker 5: drug laced for fence andal PhD synthetic drugs. Is there
38:40
Speaker 5: a scenario in which all of the men are taking drugs,
38:43
Speaker 5: perhaps supplied by Jordan Willis or someone else, in which
38:49
Speaker 5: the three of them end uh dying and Jordan Willis
38:52
Speaker 5: panics and doesn't alert anybody. Is that a possibility?
38:55
Speaker 8: We don't know now.
38:56
Speaker 5: I want to emphatively state that the sleeper not saying
38:58
Speaker 5: that that is what's happened, but he could have concealed
39:02
Speaker 5: the fact that his friend died of an a drug
39:04
Speaker 5: overdose without actually murdering them or doing something more violent
39:09
Speaker 5: to them, just for the take of panic and protecting
39:12
Speaker 5: his science career.
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Speaker 3: Well, showing up when police are standing there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, have you ever seen the program Cops, Because
39:22
Speaker 2: there'll be a guy sitting in his easy chair in
39:25
Speaker 2: the den throwing back a beer and cops come running
39:28
Speaker 2: through the house and he just watches him go by
39:30
Speaker 2: and keeps watching TV like that's normal. I mean, this
39:33
Speaker 2: guy strolls in in his underwear with a wine glass.
39:37
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good look. One thing that
39:40
Speaker 2: is to his defense is that there was no obvious
39:46
Speaker 2: sign of foul play on the three bodies. They weren't shot,
39:51
Speaker 2: they weren't bludgeoned dead, There was nothing to indicate they
39:54
Speaker 2: had been murdered. So how do you wake up and
39:58
Speaker 2: your three friends car are parked outside your house. Your
40:03
Speaker 2: phones are full of messages and texts looking for your
40:08
Speaker 2: three friends in there on your back porch in your garden,
40:12
Speaker 2: and you don't know.
40:13
Speaker 3: How did that happen?
40:16
Speaker 2: Of course, Jordan Willis, through his lawyer, insists he had
40:19
Speaker 2: nothing to do with this, and in our jurisprudent system,
40:24
Speaker 2: he is always presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a
40:30
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 3: We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,