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Speaker 1: Under the docks. Yeah, under the docks. Very fable. We're
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Speaker 1: breaking the locks.
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Speaker 2: How funny you could they erasele the shots they combed
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Speaker 2: the dogs.
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Speaker 1: Under the docks, under the docks, Yeah, under the docks, Under.
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Speaker 3: The docks, under the Docks's back the Trayvon Hoax. Unmasking
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Speaker 3: the Witness Fraud that Divided America twenty nineteen, Filmed by
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Speaker 3: Joe Gilbert and narrated by Joel Gilbert. This is a
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Speaker 3: book turned into a documentary and it follows the Trayvon
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Speaker 3: Martin case kind of like we did in the previous
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Speaker 3: episode of the George Floyd case, but in this scenario,
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Speaker 3: they're focusing specifically on the witnesses of the Trayvon Martin trial,
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Speaker 3: and they kind of show the narrative of the media,
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Speaker 3: but basically that there was a lot of witness manipulation
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Speaker 3: going on.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I'll take responsibility for recommending this particular documentary because
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Speaker 4: I actually saw this one when it came out, not
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Speaker 4: knowing that I had anything to do with the book.
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Speaker 4: I never heard of Joe Gilbert before either. I realized
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Speaker 4: we'll get into his backstory a little bit a little
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Speaker 4: bit later on. But this happened a one city away
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Speaker 4: from me, so it was all over the news, and
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Speaker 4: I was kind of starred for any new information on
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Speaker 4: this whole trial, and I was sick of just getting
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Speaker 4: all the same detail over and over from whatever respective
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Speaker 4: news outlet you might be getting it from. I'm also
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Speaker 4: a huge fan of understanding things in retrospect, like five
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Speaker 4: ten years after the fact, and not right then and there,
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Speaker 4: as new details are breaking every single day. Is the
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Speaker 4: worst way to get information. So this is a pretty
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Speaker 4: decent summary of the overall case in general, and then
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Speaker 4: it also claims that they've got brand new breaking information
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Speaker 4: that hadn't been revealed prior to them.
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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, And to kind of wrap it up
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Speaker 3: in a premise it's trayvon Martin case, where it was
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Speaker 3: fabricated or manipulated to support the narrative of systematic racism
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Speaker 3: kind of makes sense because at the time twenty.
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Speaker 5: Twelve, you had.
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Speaker 3: All of this BLM stuff that we've never heard before,
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Speaker 3: and it really changed the course of American politics. And
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Speaker 3: this film explores what would happen if that it didn't happen, and.
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Speaker 4: All actually will get controversial right away. You don't have
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Speaker 4: to watch the entire video, he explains what the Trayvon
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Speaker 4: hoax is, and he's They state specifically that the Trayvon
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Speaker 4: hoax is a three step process. One the media repeats
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Speaker 4: a story that a black person is attacked by a
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Speaker 4: white male because of skin color. That's a verbatim from
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Speaker 4: this documentary. Two that they say the white male represents
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Speaker 4: all of America to invoke fear in the black community.
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Speaker 4: And three, in order to fix it, vote Democrat. That's
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Speaker 4: the Trayvon hoax. That is verbatim. That is a quote
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Speaker 4: directly from the documentary. So if you're wondering what does
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Speaker 4: a Trayvon hoax mean, that's what the claim is. I
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Speaker 4: would suggest that the subtitle right, it's like dot dot dot,
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Speaker 4: it's actually about witness manipulation, and it's about the witness
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Speaker 4: hoax more than the rest of the case. So I
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Speaker 4: don't know if you're going into this and like they're
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Speaker 4: going to prove that you know, no one even died
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Speaker 4: that day, it was like a grassy No, that's not
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Speaker 4: what this video is. It doesn't change any of the outcome,
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Speaker 4: It doesn't change a whole lot of anything. It just
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Speaker 4: shows that there was clear corruption that happened during the
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Speaker 4: trial that was overlooked by anyone that probably even realized
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Speaker 4: this because it was advantageous politically. So that's sort of
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Speaker 4: the summary of this movie in the.
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Speaker 3: Show slotting the course, the key claims, and premise of
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Speaker 3: this film that it downs into Trayvon Martin's case, Like
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Speaker 3: we said, exploring the witnesses, kind of giving you a
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Speaker 3: background of some of these witnesses and a background of
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Speaker 3: George Zimmerman, and you know, a background of Trayvon Martin
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Speaker 3: and his family and extension. And to his credit, Joe
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Speaker 3: really gets into interviews and finding evidence and really not
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Speaker 3: just making wild claims like we kind of of like
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Speaker 3: you know, got on the all for Floyd than the
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Speaker 3: last episode for not doing that, He did the opposite
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Speaker 3: and where he came with a lot of information, but
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Speaker 3: a lot of it backed up, and it was more
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Speaker 3: based on traditional investigated journalism.
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Speaker 4: And I just wanted to quest shout out to that
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Speaker 4: almost all the footage in this documentary is entirely original.
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Speaker 4: There's very little news clips or here's an image that
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Speaker 4: was downloaded on the website or online. It's pretty much
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Speaker 4: all just Joel like himself and then going on these
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Speaker 4: interviews and going out and doing sort of like on
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Speaker 4: the Town investigative journalist style, but it's a one man show.
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Speaker 3: So some of the key claims is they talk about
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Speaker 3: his phone records and Joel gets a foya for the
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Speaker 3: phone records, which is like seven hundred and fifty pages,
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Speaker 3: and he literally has a giant binder that he's going
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Speaker 3: through checking like I think it was nearly three thousand
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Speaker 3: text messages, fifteen thousand contacts, so many hours of conversation.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't have like a transcript transcript of the conversations,
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Speaker 3: but he has how long they were, the duration and
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Speaker 3: how many times they called. That claim is incredible to me.
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Speaker 3: Just him going through that, I was just like, this
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Speaker 3: had to take a long time to go through. Like
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Speaker 3: some of the other documentaries we've seen, they kind of
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Speaker 3: just rush through things and they're slapping stuff at you.
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Speaker 3: You could tell he took his time and really did
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Speaker 3: thorough work. And the phone records part really because he
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Speaker 3: goes off first how Trayvon's dad didn't want to release
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Speaker 3: the phone records to the police, how the defense was
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Speaker 3: trying their hardest not to let the phone records go
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Speaker 3: to discoveries, so they knew that there was something with
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Speaker 3: these phone records. And that's like, to me, is where
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Speaker 3: it really starts warming up in this documentary.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the key claims are all derived directly
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Speaker 4: from these phone records. Out the phone records. There's no movie,
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Speaker 4: there's no claims, there's nothing really for it to be
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Speaker 4: based around. The eventual claims that he gets into. They
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Speaker 4: do kind of work out from stuff that he put
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Speaker 4: together from the phone records that have nothing to do
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Speaker 4: with the phone records themselves. The actual prosecution using some
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Speaker 4: of the wrong people literally, and that part is kind
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Speaker 4: of proven through the phone records because he's saying, look,
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Speaker 4: here's the person that says that they're his girlfriend that's
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Speaker 4: nowhere on his phone records, and here's the chick that
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Speaker 4: was actually his girlfriend that he was talking to at
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Speaker 4: that time. And here's proof that these two people are
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Speaker 4: not the same. And furthermore, here's proof that the prosecution
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Speaker 4: knew that these people weren't the same and just ended
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Speaker 4: up coaching this sort of stand in someone that literally
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Speaker 4: pretended and went back through and remade all the same
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Speaker 4: statements that were in the phone records. But they basically
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Speaker 4: hire someone that's related to the person that doesn't want
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Speaker 4: to come in and talk about it.
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Speaker 3: And another claim they talk about and like we said,
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Speaker 3: the main theme is witness fraud, and they went back
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Speaker 3: to some of his cousins and friends that like, you know,
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Speaker 3: they might have been in some gangs, bad pictures, stuff
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Speaker 3: that you could maybe say, ah, that's hearsay, right, But
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Speaker 3: there is a lot of evidence, a social media evidence too.
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Speaker 5: He with these phone.
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Speaker 3: Records, he's able to go through check their facebooks, check
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Speaker 3: their twitters and showing a little, you know.
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Speaker 5: A bird's eye view of who these people really are.
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Speaker 3: And you know that might not be the total story
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Speaker 3: of them, but it paints a different picture than the
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Speaker 3: narrative that we were given.
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Speaker 5: And one of the.
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Speaker 3: Key, the main key of fraud witness was Rachel jennetto
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Speaker 3: uh wait with I'm terrible with me, will tell Rachel
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Speaker 3: Gentel And she was supposed to be Crayvon's girlfriend and
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Speaker 3: the last person to speak to him before while this
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Speaker 3: whole incident, right while the fight was going down, that
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Speaker 3: he's like a da call you back boom. And the
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Speaker 3: whole case is based on her testimony. So if you
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Speaker 3: have the wrong person, this whole case is thrown out.
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Speaker 3: But everything was brought from Crump saying like, hey, I
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Speaker 3: have a recording of her.
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Speaker 5: I have a kind.
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Speaker 3: Of like this is what went down, little words of
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Speaker 3: every She kind of followed the whole script.
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Speaker 5: You could tell she was coached.
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Speaker 3: And Joel breaks down through the film a lot of
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Speaker 3: interesting facts, and he goes the extra mile by getting
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Speaker 3: like someone to analyze the handwriting because there's a letter
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Speaker 3: that the mom has that she reveals, but not until
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Speaker 3: right I think it was deposition right right before then
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Speaker 3: she opened She's like, oh, I had it in my Bible,
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Speaker 3: and it's a letter from Trayvon's girlfriend who's supposed to
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Speaker 3: be Rachel. And then it turns out that Rachel has
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Speaker 3: learning disabilities.
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Speaker 5: She can barely read and write.
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Speaker 3: She may have been in one of a lot of
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Speaker 3: after school program like short Bus will you if you will?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So some of those specific claims there is that
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Speaker 4: Trayvon Martin's actual girlfriend at the time was a chick
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Speaker 4: that went by the name Diamond Eugene, and that Diamond
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Speaker 4: Eugene is the one that was talking to him as
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Speaker 4: he got shot by George Zimmerman. And then later we
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Speaker 4: find out that Rachel Jantelle is the half sister of
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Speaker 4: Diamond Eugene. They're related by their mother with different fathers, right,
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Speaker 4: And Diamond Eugene did not want to go in for
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Speaker 4: a deposition. She want to be part of the trial.
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Speaker 4: She was kind of They even show Joel shows that
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Speaker 4: her social media, even the days when we know that
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Speaker 4: she's under stress because prosecutor are calling her and all
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Speaker 4: of Trayvon's friends are calling her, and we got the
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Speaker 4: phone records, she's out there posting just like something completely unrelated.
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Speaker 4: Oh I can't wait to get my nails done, or
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Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch some show. Like I'm just
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Speaker 4: paraphrasing some of these, but it was this deliberate outward
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Speaker 4: appearance of saying something to hide the fact that you're
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Speaker 4: deep involved with another aspect of this nationwide case. She
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Speaker 4: wanted absolutely nothing to do with it, so the prosecutors
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Speaker 4: realize we can just get her sister.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: So that's not a specific claim that this film makes,
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Speaker 4: but the insinuation is that somebody I don't know who
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Speaker 4: ends up volunteering Rachel Chantelle to act as if she
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Speaker 4: were Diamond Eugene. But like you said, she is the
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Speaker 4: lynchpin of this entire case. She claims to be the
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Speaker 4: one that was talking to him at the time, so
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Speaker 4: that she's got the context as to what he was
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Speaker 4: saying and what he was seeing, since Trayvon's unfortunately not
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Speaker 4: here to say what he saw on her. So it
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Speaker 4: was all based on Zimmerman's sort of response to that
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Speaker 4: Rachel Jantelle, who was not talking to Trayvon Martin, was
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Speaker 4: not his girlfriend, was kind of unrelated this case up
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Speaker 4: until the actual event happened. And then there's one other
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Speaker 4: kind of major claim made towards the end that the
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Speaker 4: mother she writes a letter to herself as if it
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Speaker 4: was written by Diamond Eugene, the one on the actually
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Speaker 4: on the phone with Trayvon, and then gets the real
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Speaker 4: Diamond Eugene to sign the letter that she wrote to herself.
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Speaker 4: That's I know that sounds convoluted, but not only is
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Speaker 4: that sort of the claim that this documentary makes, they
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Speaker 4: make very compelling evidence that kind of says all that's true,
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Speaker 4: which it blows my mind that this was like brand
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Speaker 4: new information to me and the.
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Speaker 3: Real rabbit out that had not even just claim but
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Speaker 3: proof is so he there's a big chunk of the
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Speaker 3: film where he's searching for the real Diamond Eugene. Well,
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Speaker 3: he goes through tons of high schools and gets buys
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Speaker 3: year books like that's what I said, true investigated journalism,
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Speaker 3: and he finds the real Dimond Eugene, which is Brittany
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Speaker 3: Dimond Eugene, and he actually has an interaction with her
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Speaker 3: where he where he cause she's a fashion model. Now
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Speaker 3: because mind you, this is twenty nineteen, so this is
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Speaker 3: what six years or so after the events, and he's
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Speaker 3: able to find who she is. He interacts with her,
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Speaker 3: says he's gonna buy a bunch of stuff off her.
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Speaker 3: He gets her DNA from her licking a bunch of
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Speaker 3: envelopes with He had a bunch of fake names because
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Speaker 3: the names that he got were specific to what we're
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Speaker 3: in the letter that were written that the mom wrote
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Speaker 3: for herself.
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Speaker 5: And he goes and analyzes.
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Speaker 3: The handwriting and he sees that the signature is the same,
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Speaker 3: and it just baffles me that nobody else seen this,
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Speaker 3: Like when he comes out six years later with some bombshell,
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Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, it's not like just
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Speaker 3: like where other films may, hey, this could this guy
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Speaker 3: could be connected. He's like, here's the real girl. Here's
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Speaker 3: how I found her. You can find her too, And
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Speaker 3: to your point earlier where he kind of goes through
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Speaker 3: the timeline of the Twitter and then she was also
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Speaker 3: like he even proved like, hey, look she's stress eating.
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Speaker 5: Oh I need donuts and cupcakes.
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Speaker 3: Right around when we knew that, he shows the phone
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Speaker 3: records of Trayvon's friends blowing her up, Like probably we're
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Speaker 3: assuming this is where we don't have all the context,
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Speaker 3: but you can assume that they're trying to coerce her
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Speaker 3: into like, hey, you need to go talk to Benjamin
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Speaker 3: Crump and we need to get this thing solved. But
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Speaker 3: the plot twist is that she's actually in another relationship
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Speaker 3: with somebody, an older fellow about eighteen years old, that
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Speaker 3: has two jobs, and she's one of these women that
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Speaker 3: Joe dances around, that she's some narcissistic woman that needs
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Speaker 3: a bunch of attention from him and he's working two jobs.
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Speaker 5: And instead of just.
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Speaker 3: Kind of being a grown up because she's a sixteen
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Speaker 3: years old and trying to be like mature about it,
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Speaker 3: she kind of goes to what she is as a kid,
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Speaker 3: and she starts talking to Trayvon Martin, and that paints
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Speaker 3: a whole different story of what happened that night.
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Speaker 4: And plus one of the other, I guess major claims
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Speaker 4: of this move is giving some extra context about what
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Speaker 4: actually happened that night, how did the altercation begin in
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Speaker 4: the first place, and that it's because this chick with
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Speaker 4: Diamond Eugene, the real Diamond Eugene, was cheating on her
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Speaker 4: main boyfriend and Trayvon was the side piece, right, and
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Speaker 4: she realized that she was just playing with Trayvon, and
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Speaker 4: she was just trying to get her main boyfriend jealous
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Speaker 4: about it so that he would give her more attention,
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Speaker 4: and Trayvon was hit to this. Trayvon even has the
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Speaker 4: phone records saying like, you're playing with me, stop playing
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Speaker 4: with me, and that that was what they were arguing about.
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Speaker 4: That was like the day, the night that all this
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Speaker 4: was transpiring. So while they're on the phone, there's some
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Speaker 4: animosity based on the context of these text messages. And
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Speaker 4: then on top of that, a couple of the claims
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Speaker 4: the movie makes and I criticized this on the last
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Speaker 4: episode all for Floyd about these ad hominem attacks, So
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Speaker 4: I got to kind of like delineate a little bit
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Speaker 4: in this one. So there are some absolute ad hominem attacks.
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Speaker 4: They kept keep mentioning how he smokes weed and all
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Speaker 4: his friends smoking. I mean, I don't even know why
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Speaker 4: marijuana use even factored into this documentary whatsoever. It was
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Speaker 4: there specifically for anyone that's like, oh, that hoodlum. You
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Speaker 4: know they're they're breaking the lawn smoking weed and so
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Speaker 4: but they He also goes into the fact that they
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Speaker 4: were into taking codeine and lean, and that one of
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Speaker 4: the common ways that you would take coding and lean
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Speaker 4: is you would mix it with one of your favorite
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Speaker 4: drinks and he would put some skittles in it to
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Speaker 4: add some kind of sweetness to it. So that the
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Speaker 4: claim that Trayvon Martin was just going to the store
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Speaker 4: for an iced tea and some skittles that one hundred
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Speaker 4: percent true. That is objectively true. That's the only reason
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Speaker 4: he went to the store, So he was gonna rob it.
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Speaker 4: But the do do is that and maybe he was
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Speaker 4: going to go and put that into some lean, although
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Speaker 4: that doesn't necessarily get proven at any point that that
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Speaker 4: night he was on lean, or that he was even
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Speaker 4: planning on mixing the iced tea, and the dude legitimately
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Speaker 4: could have just liked skittles and iced tea. So but
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Speaker 4: that's one of the other claims is that he's angry,
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Speaker 4: he's on the phone, he's got this skittles and iced tea,
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Speaker 4: and maybe he's on lean and marijuana, and that this
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Speaker 4: was the culmination of this altercation, that he's already angry.
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Speaker 4: He had gotten suspended from school for getting in the
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Speaker 4: fights three times. And they also give a little bit
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Speaker 4: extra information that these fights were not just him and
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Speaker 4: like a bully in the schoolyard. One of them was
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Speaker 4: a full grown teacher, one of them was a full
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Speaker 4: grown bus driver. And then the third incident might have
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Speaker 4: involved bringing a gun to school. So again I don't
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Speaker 4: know if that's necessarily ad hominem. And that he had
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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of different text messages talking about like
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Speaker 4: world Star and wanting to fight people and everyone, all
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Speaker 4: of his friends and his girlfriends in his life telling
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Speaker 4: him like, bro, you got to chill out, You got
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Speaker 4: to stop getting in the fights all the time. And
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Speaker 4: then this is the mental space that he was in
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Speaker 4: at this time, fighting with his girlfriend that he knows
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Speaker 4: is cheating on him, looking for a fight, constantly doing
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Speaker 4: like the World Star thing. And then damn. This opportunity
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Speaker 4: kind of presents itself and it's the perfect storm where
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Speaker 4: he's getting antagonized. He's not backing down. The other guy's
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Speaker 4: not backing down, you know, George Zimmerman. And this is
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Speaker 4: kind of what led to the whole thing. But no
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Speaker 4: real new information about the event itself. Just the fact
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Speaker 4: that we're talking felonies here, right, Like this could send
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Speaker 4: people to prison if it were looked into enough about
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Speaker 4: putting false witnesses on the stand knowingly by a prosecutor,
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Speaker 4: that could rock that guy's entire career.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's done that to me. That's the biggest claim.
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Speaker 3: And all the other one is like kind of like
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Speaker 3: looking into I think it depends on the person that's
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Speaker 3: looking into it. I think Joel has a little bit
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Speaker 3: of different background. So if he sees anything like well,
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Speaker 3: that's a gangster, like you know what I mean, Like
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Speaker 3: like you said, like, oh, he smokes Swede, man, I'm like, well,
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Speaker 3: this is not reef for madness man. You know, it
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Speaker 3: doesn't really have any weight on the case whatsoever. Hidden
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Speaker 3: treasures for me. The film challenges you know, the viewers
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Speaker 3: to really assess how these huge cases come out, right,
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Speaker 3: Like how you the Oja, the John Bannan and namsies,
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Speaker 3: like all these huge cases that the media run with.
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Speaker 3: It highlights how you have to really thoroughly investigate and
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Speaker 3: take a pause, like you said, like you don't just oh, man,
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Speaker 3: I just heard blah blah blah happen, take a little bit,
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Speaker 3: take some time to actually find and connect for real,
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Speaker 3: not just speculate, but actually find those threads to tie together.
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Speaker 3: And I think the hidden gem for me in this
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Speaker 3: film is just tying so many threads together with the
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Speaker 3: witnesses and actually finally like having a great payoff where
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Speaker 3: you're like, yes, okay, Brittany Dimond Eugene does exist, Like
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Speaker 3: this other overly large mentally challenged woman is not Trayvon's
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Speaker 3: real girlfriend. And there's actually proof for us as some
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Speaker 3: of the conspiratorial people, to be like, hey, look, court
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Speaker 3: systems are a little bit not all there and straightforward,
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Speaker 3: that things can be manipulated, and the media helps that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the hidden treasure for me, this is a great
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Speaker 4: example of what I look for in a documentary. And
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that this is the best documentary you're
20:35
Speaker 4: ever going to see. I'm just saying that what makes
20:38
Speaker 4: me consider a documentary being really good is presenting like
20:41
Speaker 4: new bombshell breaking information that would shock anyone, even someone
20:46
Speaker 4: not emotionally attached to this case one way or the other,
20:49
Speaker 4: to say, look at how blatant this you know, obvious
20:53
Speaker 4: government corruption is within the court system. How many people
20:56
Speaker 4: could have known about this and just let it ride
20:59
Speaker 4: its course? And then here's all the ramifications of it.
21:01
Speaker 4: But man, that the hidden treasure was just seeing a
21:05
Speaker 4: the production quality that Joel brings, as cheesy as he
21:10
Speaker 4: is and is like all the things that he does
21:12
Speaker 4: and the b roll he decides it is so cheap.
21:15
Speaker 4: I'll get into that in my sort of my cons here.
21:17
Speaker 4: But despite how cheesy it is, it is incredibly well produced.
21:22
Speaker 4: It feels like you're watching an actual documentary or you're
21:26
Speaker 4: you put it on TV and they're doing a special
21:28
Speaker 4: report on some Triple A news network, Like it literally
21:31
Speaker 4: has that level of production quality and the pacing and
21:35
Speaker 4: the inflection as he's talking, it's like the guy absolutely
21:39
Speaker 4: knows what he's doing. So he's kind of a like
21:41
Speaker 4: a one man wrecking ball that I would watch out for.
21:44
Speaker 4: Don't get on Joel's bad side. And then the other
21:46
Speaker 4: huge ones man, the phone records, the three thousand pages
21:52
Speaker 4: or whatever it was. I kind of feel that was theatrical,
21:55
Speaker 4: that he just had that as a prop to make
21:59
Speaker 4: this video and get foot himself. But the fact that
22:01
Speaker 4: he actually went through it all and made these connections
22:05
Speaker 4: and figured out who the different people were and crafted
22:08
Speaker 4: a narrative that he was easy to communicate to you
22:11
Speaker 4: watching it like you actually understand like life in the
22:15
Speaker 4: last like five to ten days of all these people's lives,
22:19
Speaker 4: Trayvon Martin and all his friends and the two different
22:22
Speaker 4: diamond the real one and the fake one. You know,
22:24
Speaker 4: Rachel Olgentel, actually getting inside their heads and crafting a
22:28
Speaker 4: cohesive narrative is not something easy to do. Was just
22:31
Speaker 4: a dump of data that you got from the government.
22:34
Speaker 4: It doesn't come pre served in this nice little narrative.
22:37
Speaker 4: And then the other huge one is not only going
22:40
Speaker 4: on location, which he also maybe didn't have to do,
22:43
Speaker 4: but he goes to Miami and he literally just drives
22:46
Speaker 4: that every single high school and purchases a yearbook and
22:50
Speaker 4: then sits in his room with you know, twenty yearbooks
22:53
Speaker 4: open and just looks through every single one to try
22:55
Speaker 4: and find this diamond. Eugene. So I think that that
22:59
Speaker 4: was really the hidden treasure was seeing that he went
23:01
Speaker 4: the extra mile to per top notch production quality and
23:05
Speaker 4: it had absolutely groundbreaking claim that I had never heard before.
23:10
Speaker 5: And I think he's still the only one that really is.
23:13
Speaker 5: No one's really ran with that either.
23:15
Speaker 3: For me, the overboard kind of going off with what
23:18
Speaker 3: you said, he's a little quirky, you know what I'm saying,
23:21
Speaker 3: it's like an older white Like I said, he's like
23:24
Speaker 3: going through the urban addiction.
23:25
Speaker 5: To me, it's funny.
23:26
Speaker 3: I'm just saying for other people it might not do
23:29
Speaker 3: so well with right, I think, like to get this
23:31
Speaker 3: information to other crowds, sometimes it might not play off
23:35
Speaker 3: as well because people are going to spin it as
23:36
Speaker 3: like he doesn't understand the culture and this and that,
23:39
Speaker 3: and like a lot of the stuff like even like
23:41
Speaker 3: what are you doing? It's humorous, and I think that's
23:44
Speaker 3: his quirky way, but I think that that might miss
23:47
Speaker 3: with a few people, his quirkiness of trying to get
23:49
Speaker 3: these jokes across.
23:51
Speaker 4: Well, especially because this is a fairly serious case. Yeah,
23:56
Speaker 4: really did rock a lot of people's worlds. So some
23:59
Speaker 4: of the cheese and and campiness comes across as almost
24:03
Speaker 4: unsympathetic and I and I say almost because overall, man,
24:08
Speaker 4: I could see someone from either extreme political you know
24:13
Speaker 4: polls taking offense or almost like being smarmy about this,
24:18
Speaker 4: like like basking in it a little bit because he
24:21
Speaker 4: can kind of lean into some of it. But in
24:24
Speaker 4: his credit at the very end and throughout the whole movie,
24:27
Speaker 4: he never is really disparaging about any of the people.
24:30
Speaker 4: Maybe Rachel Jentell the exception. He implies that that like
24:34
Speaker 4: she was kicked in the head essentially, But aside from
24:37
Speaker 4: that particular claim, he's pretty respectful of Trayvon and actually
24:42
Speaker 4: makes this insinuation of would he have wanted all of
24:45
Speaker 4: this to happen, this all this fallout based on what
24:49
Speaker 4: ultimately were you know, fabrications and corruptions in government? Who knows,
24:53
Speaker 4: But that was like the lingering question. My cons are minor,
24:59
Speaker 4: but I got a whole list of them. So aside
25:01
Speaker 4: from the bureau footage, he also does voiceovers for every
25:07
Speaker 4: single text message. So when you got Trayvon texting Diamond
25:11
Speaker 4: Eugene or like one of his friends, and there's they're
25:14
Speaker 4: saying like they're talking in you know, black vernacular essentially,
25:17
Speaker 4: which is why he brings out this uh like this
25:19
Speaker 4: hood urban dictionary. He pretends like he doesn't know what
25:22
Speaker 4: the N word is, so then you know he he
25:25
Speaker 4: really like leans into this real hard, and he does
25:28
Speaker 4: not shy like if it pulls up two text messages
25:32
Speaker 4: that are essentially all you ebonics. Joel is reading it
25:36
Speaker 4: all in a bonics and like doing female voices and
25:38
Speaker 4: male voices. And so I'm almost talking about it as
25:42
Speaker 4: it's a it's a pro now, but I guess it
25:45
Speaker 4: was in my con column just because I again the
25:49
Speaker 4: content here. He could have had serious actors read these
25:53
Speaker 4: lines out, but he didn't for comedic effect.
25:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's funny you mentioned because that was the
25:59
Speaker 3: last thing I wanted to mentioned, because so, hey, gonna
26:03
Speaker 3: give that thing that bah like the way he said
26:06
Speaker 3: it to you try to use like a stereotypical voice,
26:09
Speaker 3: but not well like you know what I mean. It's
26:12
Speaker 3: not like he was. He was trying to do like
26:14
Speaker 3: a urban like accent. But it was humorous to me.
26:20
Speaker 3: And but I could see that in rubbing other people
26:22
Speaker 3: the wrong way.
26:24
Speaker 4: Especially if you're going into this particular documentary feeling a
26:28
Speaker 4: certain way. He does not add any credibility to someone
26:32
Speaker 4: that's gonna be already skeptical that there's like an inherent
26:36
Speaker 4: bias in it, and there clearly is. I mean, Joe,
26:38
Speaker 4: you look into Joe Gilbert's background, he's essentially, you know,
26:42
Speaker 4: going to like Turning Point us A conventions and going
26:45
Speaker 4: to Republican National Convention and stuff. So make no doubt
26:48
Speaker 4: about it that there is bias from the standpoint, But
26:52
Speaker 4: the claims he makes are completely objective. I mean, he
26:57
Speaker 4: sends in handwriting samples, and he goes in hires a
27:00
Speaker 4: handwriting expert that signs, you know, like hires the guy
27:03
Speaker 4: to actually do the analysis, presents the analysis to the viewer,
27:07
Speaker 4: and even shows look, here's these letters that don't match.
27:09
Speaker 4: Here's these letters that don't match. Here's the implication, here's
27:13
Speaker 4: what my evidence is. So it goes all the way
27:16
Speaker 4: through that. But then like you've got these cons where
27:19
Speaker 4: right after you finished getting your mind blown that he
27:21
Speaker 4: just ad handwriting analysis, now he's in a freaking weaves
27:24
Speaker 4: store and he's putting on like weaves and making the claim, Well,
27:29
Speaker 4: I know that Diamond Eugene wears a weave, So maybe
27:32
Speaker 4: if I go to a weave store and I try
27:34
Speaker 4: in a bunch of weaves and get this b roll,
27:36
Speaker 4: then I'll be able to get into her head and
27:38
Speaker 4: I'll be able to connect to her and find her.
27:40
Speaker 4: And then he also starts going around Miami asking everyone
27:44
Speaker 4: if they know a voodoo priestess. And then he runs
27:47
Speaker 4: into somebody that's willing to take like two or three
27:49
Speaker 4: hundred dollars from him and say that they do voodoo,
27:52
Speaker 4: and then they essentially do like a card reading and
27:56
Speaker 4: tell him that this diamond Eugenie's looking for has like
27:59
Speaker 4: a like a black horse or just some evil It's
28:02
Speaker 4: clearly just humorous b roll. But I again like as
28:07
Speaker 4: it's entertaining, it's just there to kind of stretch out
28:10
Speaker 4: the story a little bit. It's not adding any new information,
28:13
Speaker 4: and at worst it's going to turn somebody off that
28:16
Speaker 4: was already on the fence if this even came across.
28:19
Speaker 4: That said, I don't think that you're gonna accidentally come
28:21
Speaker 4: across this movie or click on the Trayvon Martin Hoax
28:25
Speaker 4: and not realize what you're getting into. But it's it's
28:27
Speaker 4: definitely worth watching regardless of what you think about the case.
28:38
Speaker 3: Let's take a deep dive the misrepresentation of the witnesses
28:43
Speaker 3: is like the key theme that we're like going back
28:45
Speaker 3: and forth of like you have brought about and I
28:47
Speaker 3: talked about they analyzed the actual handwriting, but they even
28:51
Speaker 3: analyzed the voices, which I thought was interesting, Like he
28:54
Speaker 3: went really in depth on proving and this was before
28:58
Speaker 3: he found who Brittany Dimond Eugene really was. But comparing
29:03
Speaker 3: the original voice that Crump had on the tapes, and
29:07
Speaker 3: to his credit too, he foyert everything. He even had
29:10
Speaker 3: the original like tape recording tapes that Crump was using
29:13
Speaker 3: where he's coaching. He's like, I say that again, didn't
29:16
Speaker 3: you mean this? Didn't you mean this? And then he
29:18
Speaker 3: analyzes that voice with Rachel Gentel's voice and you can
29:23
Speaker 3: see the difference. And to me, that's the deepest dive
29:28
Speaker 3: of where he This is what you want in an
29:30
Speaker 3: investigation flick. You don't want it to be like, well,
29:34
Speaker 3: maybe this happened, maybe this what about this question?
29:37
Speaker 5: He goes, he asked the question.
29:39
Speaker 3: He painted it thoroughly through interviewing Zimmerman himself, painting the story. Again,
29:46
Speaker 3: his bias leans in a little bit. You know, obviously
29:48
Speaker 3: he's more conservative valued you can see that a little
29:51
Speaker 3: bit more when he's talking to Zimmerman, you know, painting
29:55
Speaker 3: the picture of like, oh man, he just takes care
29:57
Speaker 3: of you know, he has little brothers and a he's
30:00
Speaker 3: in one of those programs where they're helping all these kids.
30:03
Speaker 3: And then he paints the picture of Trayvon maybe you know,
30:05
Speaker 3: not being being a kid. That's kind of engaging in
30:08
Speaker 3: the gangster stuff. But the real middle of it, where
30:12
Speaker 3: he is showing, hey, look at these phone records, look
30:15
Speaker 3: at all this evidence they missed, They didn't all this
30:18
Speaker 3: stuff to me was kind of like mocking the court
30:21
Speaker 3: system in a sense because it's like even kind of
30:24
Speaker 3: plays that game when he meets brit Brittany Diamond Eugene
30:27
Speaker 3: and he gives her that statue of the eyes of
30:31
Speaker 3: Justice and she doesn't because she's graduated now as a criminal.
30:37
Speaker 3: I forgot what the degree of off the top of
30:39
Speaker 3: my head, but like a criminal, she was.
30:41
Speaker 4: Looking in the criminal law. But she downplays it every
30:43
Speaker 4: time that he brings it up. She's like, yeah, I
30:45
Speaker 4: don't really want to do that, and.
30:47
Speaker 5: She didn't know what that was.
30:48
Speaker 3: And then the blind Lady of Justice is right there,
30:52
Speaker 3: and I think it was poking fun at the court
30:54
Speaker 3: system because he did all the work that they should
30:56
Speaker 3: have done.
30:58
Speaker 4: And he the same joke to the bail He asks
31:00
Speaker 4: the bailiff, oh, tell me about this, lady, lady, you
31:05
Speaker 4: know justice, and the bailop's like, I don't know anything
31:07
Speaker 4: about that, and he I mean, that made the documentary
31:10
Speaker 4: for a reason because it's making this underhanded sort of comment.
31:15
Speaker 4: So again it's well edited in that way.
31:23
Speaker 3: To me, what holds up in this film is pretty
31:26
Speaker 3: much all the evidence that we just have been going
31:28
Speaker 3: over to the phone records, the voice analyzing, the voice,
31:32
Speaker 3: the handwriting analyze, like you can see that, Like to me,
31:36
Speaker 3: it's hard to argue against.
31:37
Speaker 5: I don't know how you debunked that.
31:40
Speaker 3: And the proof that maybe the parents no, not proof,
31:43
Speaker 3: but the speculation that the parents.
31:45
Speaker 5: Knew more about this than they revealed is true.
31:48
Speaker 3: Because he brings up the incentives, like the mom has
31:50
Speaker 3: to be lying because she has the Trayvon shirts marketed
31:55
Speaker 3: it and ready to sell, and that like she would
31:58
Speaker 3: lose the money from her house, like there's money involved
32:01
Speaker 3: that they would the family would actually lose if everything
32:05
Speaker 3: got put out as the real truth.
32:08
Speaker 4: And a political career now where that's the new trajectory
32:12
Speaker 4: that she's on. So yeah, that's the big sort of
32:16
Speaker 4: claim or a deep dive too, is showing not only
32:21
Speaker 4: here's all these inconsistencies, but here's some very damning evidence
32:25
Speaker 4: that the mother committed fraud, and I would assume perjury.
32:30
Speaker 4: I think all this false under perjury, that the mother
32:33
Speaker 4: purjured herself, that Rachel Jantell purjured herself, and that the
32:36
Speaker 4: prosecutor prosecutor at the helm of all this was essentially
32:41
Speaker 4: completely fraudulent throughout it. Now, if ultimately George Zimmerone was
32:47
Speaker 4: found not guilty of this right, but if he were
32:49
Speaker 4: found guilty, this is the kind of information that maybe
32:51
Speaker 4: would have come back out and maybe would have led
32:54
Speaker 4: to being overturned. But it's scary that no one knew
32:57
Speaker 4: how this cave. This was not a slam dunk for
33:00
Speaker 4: either side in that case. So yeah, the biggest deep
33:04
Speaker 4: dive here is that he is very thorough with his research,
33:08
Speaker 4: and ultimately the claims that mean anything are all very objective.
33:12
Speaker 4: They're based on objective information and not on him being
33:16
Speaker 4: sort of campy and smarmy.
33:21
Speaker 5: Sink or swim what you got on this sink or swim.
33:25
Speaker 4: This one swims for me. Man. This one does everything
33:29
Speaker 4: that I hope a documentary does. This isn't necessarily saying
33:33
Speaker 4: that it's a ten out of ten or anything. I'm
33:36
Speaker 4: just saying that the claims that are made are backed up.
33:40
Speaker 4: It presents new information that I hadn't heard before. It
33:42
Speaker 4: does it in an entertaining way. It's well paced. The
33:48
Speaker 4: only downsides is that you kind of feel like you
33:51
Speaker 4: are now a boomer a little bit more now than
33:54
Speaker 4: you were before you started it, Like boomer humor has
33:57
Speaker 4: somehow invaded your system and you're not going to shake
34:00
Speaker 4: that off so easily. However, Yeah, this is definitely a swim.
34:06
Speaker 5: This is swim for me too.
34:08
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the higher, better quality documentaries,
34:11
Speaker 3: not just on how it was filmed, but it was
34:14
Speaker 3: nice to see traditional investigative journalism kind of like you know,
34:19
Speaker 3: especially in this I know it was a few years
34:21
Speaker 3: back now, but.
34:23
Speaker 5: The fake news narratives.
34:25
Speaker 3: It's nice to see people out there actually doing their
34:27
Speaker 3: due diligence and he's all by himself and he proves
34:31
Speaker 3: that you could do it. So this definitely swims for me.
34:41
Speaker 3: I think that bout wraps it up. I think We're
34:44
Speaker 3: gonna finish this racial saga with one more because we
34:48
Speaker 3: like to connect it all here at under the Docks.
34:49
Speaker 3: This one is definitely gonna be much more lighthearted. Some
34:53
Speaker 3: people will still take offense to it, but hey, that's
34:55
Speaker 3: the world we live in.
35:03
Speaker 1: Under the dogs. Yeah, under the dogs. Very dam but
35:08
Speaker 1: we're breaking the locks.
35:10
Speaker 2: Funny, you couldn't they erase all the shots they connect
35:14
Speaker 2: the dogs, under the dogs, under the dogs.
35:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, under the dogs, under the dogs.