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How the migrant issue is being used to manipulate us all. · UK Column Radio

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  I wanted to just come back onto the opening news item, right?
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  And somebody in the chat box had said, or at some point it made
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  the point that Tommy Robinson, if it wasn't for Tommy Robinson,
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  we wouldn't know anything about the grooming gangs.
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  Now, this has got to be controversial thing to say, but
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  I just would invite people to consider what's being said here.
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  Because the fact of the matter is that grooming gangs, as
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  reprehensible as they are and as needing prosecution as they
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  have, as they are, that entire thing was, in my opinion, and
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  aside from the criminality of it, an operation by the deep
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  state designed to incite strong feelings in the community on
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  whichever side of the argument you have in the sit, whether
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  you're Asian or white British. Because the point that we've
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  been trying to make for since the beginning of that issue was
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  that the grooming gangs could not have operated without the
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  full complicity of the state. They were permitted to do what
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  they did. And we need to be asking why
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  were they permitted to be, to do what they did.
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  Now, the excuse which is given is that people didn't step in
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  because of concerns that they would be accused of being racist
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  in some way. Sorry, that does not wash.
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  Criminality is criminality no matter who does it.
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  And so that's an excuse. The other thing that I want to
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  make, the other point that I want to reiterate once again, is
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  that contrary to much of the rhetoric which is right there,
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  there is zero evidence to support the claim that there is
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  a greater preponderance of sexual abuse of children in one
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  community over another. And in fact, we have been
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  working with the abused in this country for 20 years.
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  And we can absolutely say with certainty that the vast majority
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  of the people that we have been working with have been abused by
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  people who are not Asian. And certainly, well, let's just
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  leave it, leave it at that point there.
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  So the question is, if Tommy Robinson has gotten the lid off
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  grooming gangs, he did so with the support of the mainstream
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  press in a sense, because suddenly that issue became an
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  issue which hit the mainstream and therefore into a much
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  broader public awareness than it had been.
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  And then again, we should be asking the question, why did the
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  mainstream media get onto that story and why now?
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  The other thing that I would make the point, the other point
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  that I would make here is that if you've been watching the UK
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  column since I think around 20/16/2017, we have been
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  highlighting the fact that we started to see rhetoric from
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  the, the, the police agencies that the, and the intelligence
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  agencies suddenly talking about the rise of a far right in this
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  country. And at that time, we said that
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  there was no such thing as a far right in this country and that
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  if there was a rise of the far right going to take place, it
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  was going to happen because of the efforts of the British deep
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  state. And I believe that's exactly
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  what has happened in the sense that people of all classes are
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  being radicalized to a certain degree.
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  I say this is probably quite difficult for some people to
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  hear somebody saying, but I think we've got to consider the
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  possibility that that's what's been going on.
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  And I think that's really what you were attempting to start the
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  conversation about with your report at the beginning of the
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  program, Charles. So I mean, what are your
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  thoughts and what I've just said?
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  Yeah. Well, I would absolutely agree
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  with that. I would also cite very early on
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  Raja Meer because UK column now has I think 2 interviews with
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  Raja Ben. Ben Rubin's done 2 interviews
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  with Raja Meer and indeed he spoke at our on location event
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  in Cheltenham back in April. And absolute case in point, I
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  mean he, he, he, I would say would be the go to person on the
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  the wider issue and the enabling of the grooming gangs.
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  So I think that's absolutely right.
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  I think the danger with, and I'm not, I don't actually mean to
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  necessarily single out Tommy Robinson because he has become
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  an icon in certain quarters and because he does receive much
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  more publicity than anybody who's in effect sending the same
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  message. It is, it is very easy to see
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  that every single, every single but, but the, the narrative that
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  he puts out, the things that he investigates or expose, expose
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  or, or whatever terms these things are put in, always have
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  the same conclusion, which is that the villain of the piece is
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  a Muslim. And that that is, that is
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  problematic when it's, when it overlaps with, let's say what's
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  going on now, which is this campaign to do something that
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  should be totally innocent. It's the, the operation raise
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  the colours. So to put, to put flags
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  everywhere. I mean, you know, you go to any
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  European country and people absolutely are flying the
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  national flag off their house. It's, it's completely normal.
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  It should be totally normal, but it's not.
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  It's, it is absolutely being turned into a divisive issue and
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  it's, it just crosses that line from being proud to be British
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  to proud to be British at the exclusion of whatever else it
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  is. And it's just that the most
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  obvious one at the moment, as as evidenced by that.
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  OK, admittedly only one video, but absolutely there are lots
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  more out there of people tearing down Palestinian flags in order
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  to replace them with Saint George's crosses or Union flags.
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  And and I think my contention would be that Tommy Robinson's
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  work and the various causes that he promotes and the engagements
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  that he has in a sort of media context are aggravating or
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  creating tensions where none really should exist.
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  And I think that's the problem and I think people for for the
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  absolutely vast majority of people who are perhaps
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  considering that what's happening with flags and the
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  sort of, you know, people are, you know, feeling some sense
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  sense of national pride and all the rest of it, absolutely fine.
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  But I think that there will be a huge lack of awareness amongst
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  those sorts of people about the way in which they are in effect
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  being manipulated, I think, and how how that campaign can very
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  easily be weaponized. And how again, the other video
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  that showed those chaps who were as well as painting St.
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  George's crosses on the side of the house, then shouting at
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  people that they considered to be Muslim.
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  I mean that, you know, seriously, who does that
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  benefit? But it but it, I think it is
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  easy to plot a line backwards from that to somebody like Tommy
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  Robinson, simply because none of the material that he covers has
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  anybody else as the wrongdoer. And therefore it's very, very
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  obvious. And this is the way that that
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  sort of media works in terms of messaging.
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  It is very obvious that not only is every single 'cause that he
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  brings out one that does down Islam as a faith and
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  specifically people who are described as Muslims in the UK,
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  but, but on the obverse, and this is exactly what David
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  Miller was talking about, this, this is to the advantage of the
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  Israel lobby and and the Zionist agenda.
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  And that is really, really dangerous.
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  Funding and and that's why that's why that's the
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  destination of everything that he does is because that is that
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  is who is promoting exactly. No, but the question in the chat
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  box then was why was Tommy Robinson imprisoned and
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  demonized? Look, we've got to get our heads
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  around how these gang counter gang operations work.
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  If that man is standing up, funded by Zionism, pushing out a
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  particular type of message, and then the state puts him in
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  prison for some of something that he has done, what's the
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  reaction in among his supporters?
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  But even in among the the broader population?
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  Why is the state putting people in prison who were who, who have
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  been making comments on social media about on, on so-called
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  right wing issues on immigration or whatever?
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  Why are they putting those people in prison?
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  Why they don't put people in prison for other on on other
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  left wing topics? Why did they have this two tier
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  care policing 2 tier everything at the moment.
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  It's designed to wind people up. I would really urge everybody to
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  read Frank Kitson's book Gangs and Counter Gangs.
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  He was in charge of the British military operation in Kenya, in
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  Malaya, in Northern Ireland at the at the very beginning and so
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  on. He wrote several books on this
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  type of thing. We need to sort of try to get to
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  get to grips with the types of psychological operations which
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  are run by the state. And you know, this comes back
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  once again, we'll say it once again comes back to the change
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  in military doctrine in this country and in other countries.
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  But in this country in recent years where, where this type of
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  activity was something that we exported to other places to some
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  to a greater or lesser extent. It is a game that we have played
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  domestically as well. But it is absolutely all the
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  stops are off now. And the British government is
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  absolutely using these tactics on its own population for 100
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  different reasons. And, and if we don't understand
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  the tactics, then we don't understand what's going on
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  around us and we're going to fall into traps.
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  Well, this is it. I mean, I, you know that, which
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  is why I sort of wound up by by saying it's, it's digital ID.
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  You know, you create, you create enough of this madness and
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  people will kind of accept anything.
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  Sandy, we've banged on and what what do you think about about?
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  This no, it means it's too fascinating.
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  I don't think it's banging on at all.
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  It's, it's interesting because we, there's, I just feel with
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  this tinderbox point that, you know, it is really a tinderbox
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  at the moment. And, and it's very difficult
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  because yes, everyone is being played by the establishment and,
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  and beyond. And I think, you know, it's
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  about I, I would like to ask you to, what would your message be
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  to people who are going to turn out on the 13th of September in
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  London? What would your message be to
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  them? Well, my message, but, well,
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  where do we start with that? I mean, that's a big question,
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  sadly, frankly. Sorry, sorry, it's just.
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  That you know. You're saying, you know, I'm
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  playing devil's advocate here because there are people who are
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  genuinely concerned about the, the you know, about what's
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  happening to their country, the destruction in every single way
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  of their country. And and then they're being fed
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  all this stuff. All the, you know, these
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  migrants are staying in four-star hotels.
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  Look at what they're eating. They're eating better than you
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  at home. You're struggling to feed your
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  children, but look at them. It's all you know.
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  It is a big. Big and right there with that
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  comment, you, you have absolutely hit the nail on the
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  head that that is that is what's being done to us all.
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  So what? And people are going to turn
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  out, I mean, I met 2 very, very normal, kind of ordinary women
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  the other day who stopped me and they, they recognised me in the
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  street and they said you're Sandy, aren't you like, oh, are
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  you going on the 13th of September?
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  And I said no, not me. And, and it was really
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  interesting. They said, oh, we're going.
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  And they seemed so normal. And I said, well, you know, I,
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  what do you say to them? Because are they being drawn
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  into some sort of the thing where they could be used and,
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  and end up being arrested or I don't know.
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  I mean they or their, their argument to me was, well, we
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  went on the last time in Robinson March and it was well
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  organised and he was saying you've got to keep calm.
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  You mustn't, you know, and what do you say to that?
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  Because we all know what he's about and we know what Farage is
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  about. We know that everybody's being
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  manipulated. So what do you say to them when
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  they say we're going on that March?
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  Yeah, but you say we know. Who knows?
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  I might know. I might know the people in the
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  chat box. Might I did tell them I, I spoke
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  to them and I said, look, you know, this is, it's, it's really
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  difficult because people do want to fight for their for their
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  country. They do want to be able to, to
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  fly their flag. But is it at the, at the expense
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  of pulling down a Palestinian flag when you know what's going
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  on there is horrendous? And it's the same hidden hand
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  that's organising everything in that respect.
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  And so I, I just feel that there's so much that people
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  don't understand and it's, it's almost impossible.
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  I mean, we do our best here to explain it, but I think a lot of
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  people are, it's almost like a very emotive thing.
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  And they are patriotic and they, they don't like the destruction.
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  But this destruction is coming in, as I said, with Agenda 2030
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  in every direction they're being hit.
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  And this is just a scapegoat. This is the way they vent their
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  anger, and This is why we have to.
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  Be careful. But yes, absolutely.
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  My, my worry is that that their anger is going to be vented in
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  the wrong direction. And I'm not saying that the,
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  the, the immigration issue is not an issue that needs to be
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  resolved, but I don't, I think that we're very, very close to
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  the point where that issue is going to be resolved violently.
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  And no matter who's saying keep calm and carry on, that, that
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  ain't how it's going to be because, because you're
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  absolutely right. People have been, are, are, have
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  been wind up to boiling point. Now that on the issue of the
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  flags, umm, Charles said that flying flags in other countries
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  is normal. Uh, if you think about it, the,
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  the George Cross has been demonized in this country for 30
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  years, 40 years, because it has been, it is, it is a flag which
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  has been, uh, associated with, uh, the National Front or with
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  the various other so-called. Football supporters.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.
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  And the only time, but but who's who, who made that, who
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  demonized it in that way the mainstream press did.
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  And the only time that you were allowed to bring the the George
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  Cross out was when England was playing in, in the World Cup or
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  in the EUR or something, right? That was the only time you're
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  allowed to bring it out. Otherwise it was a symbol of
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  right right wing extremism, right?
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  That should that should be given people a clue.
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  Yeah. Right on the issue of of so I'm
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  not, I'm not for one second suggesting that the migrant
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  issue should not be dealt with, but dealing with issues when,
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  when feelings are high as they are at the moment, you're likely
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  to end up with the wrong outcome.
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  It's the same with, you know, the fact of the the fact of the
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  matter is, Sandy, as you know, with devolution and so on,
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  constitutionally this country is screwed.
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  Our our governance is screwed in this country.
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  How do you deal with that? Well, obviously you've got to
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  have a conversation about how we intend to be governed in the
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  future. But the danger with things at
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  the moment is that actually there aren't very many people in
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  the country know enough about how governance works and how it
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  should work that they won't be taken down the an even more
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  extreme version of the devolution agenda that we're
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  seeing at the moment and, and right into the arms of Agenda
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  2030. That's very, very likely.
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  I believe that the migrant issue is aside from digital ID is on a
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  more broader on a broader issue is absolutely going to bring us
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  into the arms of Agenda 2030. It's also going to encourage us
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  to support further activities abroad.
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  And so you know it, it's what do you say to people.
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  There is no simple one line thing that you can say to
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  people. It has to be a conversation.
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  And so that conversation, I think as David said, Charles's
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  first segment today begins this conversation, this particular
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  conversation today. And but it doesn't end today
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  because it has to be something that we have over a longer
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  period of time. And and so I don't think there's
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  a quick and easy answer to that question.
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  No, it's difficult because when, when when you look at the
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  Olympics and I always remember, you know, weird though, it was
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  the Olympic ceremony when it was in London and they had, they had
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  Glastonbury tour and they, everyone was sticking their
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  flags in it. You know, everybody's proud to
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  stick their flag into, you know, they were proud to stick their
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  flag in flag into the tour and say, you know, This Is Us, we're
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  from Denmark, we're from. And there there is that sense of
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  national pride, which I think is actually quite healthy in lots
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  of ways, so long as it doesn't become extreme.
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  And and I don't think most people in this country are
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  extremists. They're not they are concerned.
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  But there is an element obviously of extreme racism
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  going on. And as we saw in that, in that,
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  I mean, you know, big sort of thuggy people, you know, really
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  behaving very badly. And so, you know, whether
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  whether that will will, will take hold, I, I'm not so sure it
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  will. I hope not, but I would hope
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  that people are more measured and, and really understand.
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  And if they do go to these marches, they, they actually
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  keep their cool and you know, do, you know, don't, don't,
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  don't get involved because what they want is civil war.
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  And we, we can't descend down that way because.
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  Then they can. You're not saying the the the
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  people on the March want that, but the government wants that.
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  Yeah, the government want that exactly.
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  Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think, I
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  think, I regret to say, I think that's, uh, absolutely the case
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  because, you know, if we think about the emergency cars that
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  were brought in as a result of COVID and those become much
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  more, there's certainly much more scope for even more
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  draconian limitations placed on people if you are on war
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  footing.