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Talks to Mark Rawlins about his choice of The Mind Robber (4/5) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to campus of a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast Mark. I've got a question for you.
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  Oh, go ahead. It's unusual for me to do that.
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  Very unusual. Very unprecedented.
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  You have a base spaghetti, you've been taking your brain
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  juice today? Could you please rank for me the
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  stories of season six from best to worst Esther worse?
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  Okay. So we well, we've got the mind,
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  Robert best. Okay.
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  And then it's tough at your that I would say the war games.
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  I would not disagree, then I would say the Invasion.
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  Okay. The god, well, then it gets a
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  bit Caesar, doesn't it? That's not.
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  So, you know what? I'm gonna be the evasion, okay?
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  Caesar death. Space pirates, really protons?
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  And the Mane is because I have got a soft spot for the space
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  pirates, you know. It's not as bad as everyone
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  thinks, why'd you ask, is it? Why?
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  Because it is a good story. It's fun.
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  It's just because it doesn't exist.
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  It's very difficult to consume that actually, I love Madeline
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  and Dom under the table. I've said, many a time before,
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  it's a good story and I'd rather watch that.
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  Then the dominators again or the croutons doesn't really get em.
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  Get me. You better go.
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  You keep going on about the dominators Fraser Gregory's
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  going to come after you. I know literally, every time I
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  mentioned the doorway, as I just know that he's got a straight
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  man on this world is so hard about the quarks and phrases
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  clothes that I don't know. I know, I know he likes that one
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  Android Invasion and you love that.
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  Yeah, there's a ton of people do love time in the Ronnie and I
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  fucking love that and I bet there's a lot more people.
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  Collectively don't like the dominators so that it's more of
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  a consensus is. Now those are people with taste
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  though, aren't they? You know.
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  Yeah, but no, I would choose the space pirates over the
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  dominators, definitely. Can I do the same thing?
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  Yeah, go for it. So I'd say WarGames number one
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  Invasion. Number two, mind robber, number
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  three, but I think their alternate ends, but I will try
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  the Emirate. Why are You The Invasion though?
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  Because I think the invasion is probably the best directed story
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  of the season. And I love it.
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  I just love it. I think it is sustains a
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  episodes. I think it's got a great
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  villain. Fantastic monsters.
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  Brilliant set pieces. As funny as dramatic.
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  I could pull ten scenes out of a hat that I love.
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  Okay, okay. Then the Mind Robot then seeds,
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  the deaf. Then the crow Tom's.
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  Then the space pirates and then the Dominator.
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  So, yeah, it's kind of, in the same order, really, you'd put
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  the space pirates above the dominators as well.
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  I had put anything above the dominators.
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  I'm sure there are positives with dominate is.
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  I'm sure there are a few things there, shall we destroy?
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  Shall we? Yes, Hawks.
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  Do you know where they fall over?
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  I like the cool way that they do that when they get the doctor
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  and Jamie on that table or whatever.
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  And if they're up against the wall and then suddenly is like,
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  and then he's like, oh yeah, that's quite.
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  And they do some funny business in episode 2, the pair of them
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  plus, it is the best gay romance and those who between Rago and
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  Toba, I just don't like yeah, this just I do, maybe I'll try
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  that the target book or something instead always Boring.
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  That's the trouble with it is boring.
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  In stark contrast to this, the don't hang around long enough to
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  be boring. Well, we should be thankful that
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  the dominators wasn't six and we had an extra episode of the Mind
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  robber. I think we should.
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  I think everybody would agree that the dominators shouldn't be
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  60. I mean, maybe if this was six,
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  maybe that would forget a little bit because actually, three and
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  four. Well, two and three in this are
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  a little bit similar, aren't they?
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  It is dragged out a little bit but because it's so creative and
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  interesting. Nobody Minds that into.
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  It's all like game is safe and well, Forest of words in the -
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  huh - oh free its Medusa and it's the horse and I don't know,
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  I just think this this just keeps giving an injection site
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  lesions. Yeah.
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  So now if we go into like the Mast we meet the master for the
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  first time don't we? This episode Marshall and a
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  fiction not it's like he's with Andy Master.
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  That's right. The master land of fiction is
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  such a powerful All that, you know?
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  I mean I'm used to take a mouthful, but that is a mouth.
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  Oh God. I mean, this was gonna be the
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  non rude episode and he really was already.
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  I want. No, that's okay.
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  That is your one. No more.
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  No more things. We shall be all be listening
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  out. This is everybody - namely
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  friendly this week. This is, this is a
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  family-friendly episode apart from just staying, okay, right.
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  Okay, so we getting, let's go in.
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  Yeah, oh, excuse me, I've always a family-friendly live going.
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  Oh no, be family-friendly. Only in your mind right about a
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  those dates like that as well. Let's go in Oh my account in.
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  Okay, three two, one, go. Here we go.
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  Oh, so this episode yet is 19 minutes long.
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  It is Shalon. They are full time.
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  I should I think the last episode of this is even sure.
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  I think episode 5 is even shorter really sure.
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  Yeah, so many people watch the Mind Rubber and go.
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  Wow, that flew by. Well, there's a reason.
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  Yeah, these must be surely. These must be the shortest in.
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  Don't he's history, Shirley She's but I should you think
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  that maybe Doctor Who should be 15 to 20 minutes, whatever in
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  the classic series. I mean, imagine some okay, just
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  taking something out the a imagine Armageddon factor and
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  they rule liked, they all had five minutes taken off them.
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  Nobody would miss that would be a bit more Pacey.
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  In fact, I'll do you. Okay, I just picked that out
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  because it was a long drawn-out 6 episode story in my mind.
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  Or Zippy zany, wacky, fun, 6, episode 6, power in my Rx.
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  Any what? Any gray Williams to on the
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  worry could be, could be done with some editing.
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  Arthur yogurt ahead, Ryan Williams, you know, be surprised
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  at how good it is. We'll see when we get there.
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  Yeah, maybe re-evaluate it. But at this time and fabulous,
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  Sarah to is going to watch Greg Williams and change your mind on
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  it at time of recording. This, I am not a fan of the
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  grain Williams nearer, apart from Keys time.
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  Nobody's Perfect. Here we go.
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  Look at his reflection in the polished shield.
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  Have you noticed again? Jamie's cut off from him it's a
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  Doctrine. Zoe yeah we need them sort of
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  split up don't because Jamie is reading these things.
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  So is the rule, okay. Sometimes confuses me if it's
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  written. So they get turned into fiction.
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  If it's written down before it happens, is that the rule there,
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  some kind of rule in this, isn't there?
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  Because the doctors are bad too, because he's about themselves
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  within the land of fiction. So he goes to write.
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  And fiction featuring himself. So if he it is on down on paper
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  as a fictional character, then the land of fiction can control
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  you. That's it.
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  Yeah, but here isn't Jamie reading the doctor and Zoe were
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  defeating me juicer. Oh yeah, maybe this.
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  If I thought it was self, if you write it yourself.
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  Yeah. Because it was something because
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  later on he's about to write isn't any.
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  Can't do it and I wasn't sure what the rules were about.
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  I don't know if he does make sense.
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  I love that line yet. Cancel, cancel, cancel, doctor,
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  and Zoe test report failure. We are Gulliver again.
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  I do like that sensor on the door.
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  That's nice. Simple trick.
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  But then you get that bit where Zoey blunders for it.
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  It's really bad. Well, of course, of course,
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  she's gonna do that. Well, was she supposed to be
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  brainy one, you know? But she's a bit that that's her
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  in this. She's a bit panicky and a bit
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  over the top. That's can you hear that noise?
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  And you know by now, yes they're on their way.
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  Is this the soldiers? All the robots, the robots.
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  Yeah. Does it get hot?
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  You the guest cast is quite small in this budget wise.
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  I bet what you got? Gulliver Rapunzel.
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  Okay. Yeah, you've got all those other
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  people at the end but it's only three or four is there's not a
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  big cast. God still relies even you know
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  you carry on is still relying on your three regulars throughout
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  this whole story to make sense of it.
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  Everyone else just sort of pops up in is a monster robots are
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  really Sinister, you know. I've been a great.
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  I think it's the faces so I'm reliably informed me, you know,
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  you have a toy one of those. And then it's right here, it's
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  wonderful. There's a valet is, there is
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  such a great design. I'd like to see what the
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  original eats out of the unknown episode.
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  Is that something that still exists?
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  So, yeah, yeah. I'd like to see how they used in
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  that. Jamie says more, Scottish this I
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  got in. Okay.
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  But how do I get out? Maybe he's, maybe he was
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  listening to Hamish Wilson the other week.
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  I was like, I need to up my Scottish accent, The Citadel,
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  that's clearly just a picture. It's just a painting isn't here.
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  I think the carcass is the most muscled, man, you know, in all
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  of who we are and it's good as creative as well.
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  We there's fictional characters that we don't know.
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  Either doctor doesn't know. They've gone into the future as
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  well and had some that. It's a good idea.
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  They'd get in the thing is right.
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  It's time I no sense whatsoever because he knows the second he
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  says, you don't exist. He's told her the rules of this
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  so he knows it. All he's got to do is say you
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  don't exist and they wouldn't be in danger anymore.
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  Basically is going well. Of course, when I don't know
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  him. You think it doesn't know him.
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  Yeah. But he doesn't know him.
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  So he can't say, I get that. I understand that he can't
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  believe it. I think he just said about the
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  gun and the gun vanish so he knows that he can stop him and
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  Mark is great because then Zoe gets to beat the shit out of
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  him. And that's really for this stunt
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  is a little bit row position. He's funny rolls tonight.
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  I mean, it's good. It's good for his good piece for
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  Zoe. It's a good story for Zoe
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  overall. Actually, she does it.
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  She gets a lot to do, you know something?
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  I mean, you know, a minute. I shall tear.
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  You. Limb from limb sometimes dates.
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  I had when I was younger when I, when I, when I didn't bring them
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  back. That's what, that's for
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  messages. They send me.
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  I'm surprised. There hasn't been a.
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  Maybe somebody can tell me if there has been.
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  Why haven't? Hasn't there been a spin-off has
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  not had a carcass comic strip in Doctor Who magazine or a
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  spin-off carcass Adventures comic strip.
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  Surely that is ripe for your skin on the world.
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  Okay. Go for it.
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  You gonna do it that character. Well, they've got, you know,
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  recently there's this, the Lipton comic strip.
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  There's the paradise. Towers one.
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  Do you read? No, I'm just surprised no one's
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  decided to do this as it is an actual comic strip from Doctor
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  Who. Why is he wearing his route like
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  foamy muscles? So do you think there's too many
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  spin-offs just generally from Doctor Who stuff?
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  I think there's going to be more where Rusty Davis comes along.
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  I think there's going to be about 45 TV spin-offs from the
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  mainland main dog. Do you think do you think that's
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  just Joe just generally everything.
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  I mean it's great. That we've got so many different
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  things but you could have every single story.
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  Well, that's that that's not, that's the great thing about it.
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  Every single story you can have your own spin-off world and go
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  into a whole series of. I mean, if you could have
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  Amazing Adventures. Well, the court that their
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  Adventures, didn't they Asian? You could have the Further
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  Adventures of Isabel and her dolly Soldier.
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  Exactly. Yeah, I've seen this now.
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  So the croutons are gone who's left on The croutons.
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  Was it Varner or whoever was Ivana?
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  No, just follow like the head Croton.
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  As he goes around closer yet, the croutons fighting the
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  mechanizing, the Daleks or something like that space.
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  Don't ask his mechanoids would be.
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  I'm yeah. What the ice where it says that
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  mr. Misskelley would have the
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  misskelley. Scientific Adventures.
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  Yeah the war games casters later Jennifer go often investigate
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  different War zones, of course, best of all the Milo Clancy
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  Adventures. Exactly.
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  Yeah, I mean, you could do it for everything in the universe
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  trainee. Do you get Imagine if they took
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  the inspiration, not from The Invasion for the poeira, but for
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  the space pirates and he was exiled into that future and he
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  was like scientific adviser to. I am General Nikolai her mac and
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  went off on spaceships all over the place and in every story
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  catches up with Milo Clancy's, like spare me another slice of
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  bread. Yeah, I don't think it would
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  have been a successful somehow. You just follow my fan,
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  honestly, although I do love the space pirates teyla.
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  I got a question for you now, 10, so if there is other
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  spin-offs coming, hmm, what would you like to see what
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  actual main TV shows? Yeah, because I would absolutely
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  do Jo G doing a Sarah Jane style thing but it would be a bit
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  quirky and a bit. Kooky and Sarah, Jane.
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  And she would go, and she would team up with a Every now, and
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  again, and you team up with other know, like, she could meet
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  all the classic companions, you know, I think something like
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  that would happen. I think.
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  Yeah, I don't know. It just depends because he said,
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  they'd never do it because after this mislaid died, they wouldn't
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  go back and do, but I do know this.
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  I think maybe there's been enough time now, for something
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  like that, make it really kooky because you can't get your
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  writing is a bit quirky. So make it a very quirky than.
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  So Sarah Jane Adventures was like, it was like dr.
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  Who lie wasn't it? My dogs who you could have a
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  literally, you know, having these really mad like written by
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  Paul Mars. You know like mad Adventures.
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  Yeah. Oh I think they would do
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  something like that. I would like to see well I don't
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  know with Russell T. Davies is the time right?
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  Would Billie Piper do a wrote that Rose spin-off that they
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  were talking about? Some has it been long enough for
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  her to come back and do her own? I think something I that is
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  definitely possible. I don't think they would just
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  do. Yeah, I do.
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  Don't think you couldn't just take the, you know, like mr.
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  Or whatever and do because I don't think well no that's the
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  parallel or Series in it her and Teagan.
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  They are a couple now and I know they know they said there were a
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  couple in there for the doctor. Yeah.
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  But didn't say they were like that, they're just sit.
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  There were a couple has a life where they said, this is a
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  sisters. I'm telling you anyway, back to
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  the Mind robber. Oh, here we go.
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  Zoe's just run through the thing and she's being stupid that.
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  And that's the one thing that annoys me about classic who, but
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  they don't really have in the new series, is you have these
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  moments where I've been behave, ridiculously out of character,
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  like, stupidly in order for them to be in danger.
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  Well, yeah, but that's all you classic, because if you think of
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  Zoe throughout this whole, she's they are up there different from
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  wheat. A week, different from story to
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  story, depending on what's needed.
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  You know, if he was in the death zone in Gallifrey or in that
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  quarry from Android Invasion, I mean you'd be looking in front
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  of you, you would not be falling down those Souls.
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  I'm telling y'all shallow Oh my God, the robots.
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  Here we go. I'm gonna meet, we still haven't
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  seen by this point by episode. For this master land, a fiction.
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  We've seen the back of his head and exert a voice.
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  We're going to make this is really you.
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  Now we're going to go and meet him and I think is needed by
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  this point in the story this week.
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  Yeah there's just a lot of weird shit going on with no
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  expectations and there's another name for that.
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  It's called lost. I gave up in season 2.
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  I did all of last. But I did do all the lost but I
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  was just so bored waiting for the exclamations, but I remember
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  that series one, where they're finding out all.
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  I looked really School scary at the time trying to when you find
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  out all these different things. It's I really like that name.
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  I know he went on too long. It went on to say, what was the
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  answer in the end? It's some weird afterlife.
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  Yeah, didn't really understand that but what is friendly,
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  money's a lost man. Yeah, we've been here.
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  All that weird bit of spit in the corner of his are and now I
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  know once you see that you can't unsee again, he's there.
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  Yeah, it's just a must've been hot in the studio.
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  Is there all night. You need to drink.
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  I know no one's like just mouth. Someone should have just cut and
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  said, come on. We need to wipe your mouth and
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  they realize how easy they need to keep it there.
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  I know, but I just, I'd love his great performance, but I just
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  zoned in on that B p--. I can't help it.
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  I'm so sorry. It's that poor actor.
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  I just could I just staring at that white bit in his mouth the
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  whole time. I'm so sorry.
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  So, you know, like the bit where Tim if you don't want spits and
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  then the time oh God, is this a new dirty book?
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  I'm writing spitting. Dr. Drew well, no, this is me
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  leading up to you asking you what?
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  You don't like a bit of spit play then.
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  Oh, this is the good episode of the family-friendly episode.
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  What the hell? You talk about spots spit play
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  anymore? I don't even want to know.
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  That's something out. Know.
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  Please. No, opening his mouth.
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  Oh well you can you do that with the muscle under FixMeStick
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  plenty of society? Jesus Christ?
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  Yeah. Hmm.
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  I've written 5000 first words every week for all those years.
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  Yeah, OG that isn't you on my God, you're the muscle and a
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  picture. I'll let you have ridden in my
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  blog. All right?
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  I've written 2000 reviews over A thousand words.
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  Each other know how many words that he is?
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  There's a lot I called you are you are him.
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  You've written all those words. You love spit play.
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  You are the most talented efficient going to do the sums
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  right now on Mike. Hang on.
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  I've written at least two million words at least who
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  really were right? Okay.
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  Yeah. And that's called doc.
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  I do reviews of anyone would care to go and have a look.
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  They have some nice big finish reviews on that Aunt Edie
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  reviews. Mm-hmm.
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  You've read some of you. I have a very good.
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  Whoa, did you give them on Trapper?
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  I think I give it 10 out of 10. Oh yeah, good.
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  I'm sorry. Normally you are here with me
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  about my scores. This is the point where the
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  doctor starts figuring out the rules.
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  Yeah, yeah, all you with this with this guy after he had all
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  this build-up. What do you think of this
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  character here? Is it a bit disappointing that
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  it's just this guy or is that part of the charm of it?
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  That it is just some right? A guy after because because
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  earlier on he's been taking over, isn't it?
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  He's being controlled. I know.
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  But early Ronnie just seemed like this Mastermind Chancellor
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  head in with his by row type thing, and then actually, it's
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  not. Not like, I've just pulled out
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  my review of the my rubber, would you mind if I just read it
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  to you very quickly, some of it? Yeah, there's not long.
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  All right. Okay, sorry.
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  Okay, what's up every season of Doctor Who as a Class Act in it,
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  one that shines Above the Rest, despite how good the rest are
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  trout on, who is a little more fortunate than the rest in his
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  last season, he was graced with free, absolute belters.
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  But you can determine what they are.
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  And depending on which day of the week, it is depends on which
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  one I would endorse just a little higher than the others.
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  The only convincing argument I ever remember hearing that pans
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  the mine drawbar was from somebody who truly despised the
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  fantasy genre fair enough. But on any conceivable level
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  writing Direction performance, this is brilliantly.
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  Done a constantly surprising adapting.
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  Giving story that manages to Thrill scare and amuse in equal
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  measure stylish Li directed to with David Maloney shooting, the
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  story in unusual ways, to highlight its real nature.
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  My favorite experience of the and Robber wizard with a non
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  hoof at Fan, friend of mine who I showed the first episode 2.
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  And he as he asked to see an example of a black-and-white
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  story, we went out and he was desperate to get back and watch
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  the rest. Usually he lost his head off a
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  classic Who sometimes with good reason.
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  He did a Squatch, Paradise Towers.
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  But he enjoyed this immensely and was able to see it through
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  and I was able to see it through new eyes.
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  Those of you who write off this story and only praise the first
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  episode. Shame on you, if Doctor Who's
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  Greatest weapon is Imagination. Than this is one of the finest
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  examples of how far it can stretch that along with the
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  show's format 10/10 very good. Yeah, sums up very well.
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  Well, you know, I'm very succinct, how long you know when
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  you write your blog? How long does it take you to do
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  a review a review at two hours? Two hours?
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  Well yes I usually watch them bash it out the same time, brush
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  out the reviews That's the Mantra.
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  Here we go. Oh no, Jamie Zoe, no, it's
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  great. That image of them in the book
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  that's coming up. Oh my God, classic and it's
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  very, yeah, very expensive to do really.
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  We got to do is make a big book. He see, make them all the time,
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  they do, you reckon w-would? You absolutely would do you
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  reckon that? They just did one page of worth
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  of work. Words though.
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  The rest is all blank. Oh yeah, I think so.
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  It's a solid thing which is the words.
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  Yeah. Happen to this massive book when
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  they were done with it. Somewhat.
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  Yeah. What did they do?
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  Did it get used for something else?
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  Or is there a hole in one side there?
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  Because that little must be, ya know, must be.
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  Yeah, there's a hole on the left.
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  That was a hole on the left and they go in very creative felt so
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  quick that episode Yeah, that's it.
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  That's it. I mean, these episodes are
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  zipping by a, right? And not.
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  So I would say absolutely, yeah. Well we gonna get to the climax
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  in episode 5 with all the all the other characters coming in
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  and that in the battle of wits, the battle of the land of
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  fiction.