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Everyday Heroes Interview Series Ep. 21: The future best-selling book, “Good mom, bad girlfriend”. · The Steve & Jeff Show

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, hey everybody.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to yet another exciting episode of the Steve and Jeff Experience Podcast, the jewel of eccentric Lady Land Studios.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's so exciting, Jeff.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_04: I get so excited sometimes.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_04: I can't find the words.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, the Steve and Jeff Experience Podcast.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Steve.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm Jeff.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: How's it going, Steve?
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_04: Jeff, it is going so great.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_04: It is going so great.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_04: You know, in fact, I was on, I was looking at Google Diuretics again today, and we are we're going up, we're going up the charts.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_04: We are totally, we are, we are part of their flow.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_04: We're part of their chi.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_04: We're part of their action.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_04: And we are moving in the right direction, Jeff.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_04: I tell you.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's unbelievable.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Steve, I uh speaking of diuretics, I just came back from Mexico.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, and you wanna when they say don't drink the water, I thought they were joking.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but you didn't think they meant that water.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you just no, I'm not gonna drink the Gulf of Mexico.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_04: No, of course not.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: But no, I was confused.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: But oh, you mean this in the glass?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: I shouldn't drink that.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh well.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: But anyways, it's great to be back.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh very excited, a little disoriented.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I got in last night.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm ready.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I hear we have a wonderful guest this week.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_04: Jeff, I tell you what, you know, you know, and proof, proof of Google diuretics, proof that they are on to something, and the we have our fingers on the beating pulse of the audience is you know how Jeff, we've always thought when we get really big, like that MMA fighter, comedian guy, yeah, you know the guy, right?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I do.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I feel when we were as big as him, we'd have celebrities on our show, right?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_04: And we've had some great guests, but Jeff, tonight we have a celebrity.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_04: We have an author.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_04: We have an author who wrote a book.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's I guess what makes her an author, but but but I digress, she wrote a book, Jeff.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_04: And so I am so excited.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_04: We've got, in fact, I was uh, you know, in fact, how I ran across her, I I was on uh Amazon because I, you know, I I have heard that their website gets a little more traffic than ours, and so I wanted to see what they were doing, maybe to to make that traffic.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I started flipping through and I got into the books and I saw her book, and I said, Oh, oh, that is we gotta have her on the show.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_04: We gotta get this right on the show.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: This is an this is an example of being disoriented.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: When you told me we had an Arthur, I thought you meant Arthur, like Arthur Godfrey.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, which is showing my age.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: Are there any current Arthur's Arthur?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there's that cartoon.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: There's that cartoon that was on PBS.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, in fact, I I called that cartoon guy.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_04: I wanted to get him on too, because I thought that, but you know, he's I don't know, he he didn't answer, he just had made these noises.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's like well, and and and then you were like, Oh, this is gonna be such a great interview, you know.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: We have Arthur on.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, okay, well, uh being named Arthur doesn't make it a great interview in itself.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: And but now that you explain that it's an author, now I'm excited.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_04: So you know, and you know we have I I am well no, I remember I I did try to get Arthur Godfrey on the show.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_04: I called him, and you know, he never it just kept ringing.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_04: He just never answered.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: I just I I can't explain it, but gets in the big time, you just don't care about anyone else.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: But I digress, I digress.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_04: Jeff, I'd like to, you know, look, look the other side of the glass.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_04: You know who's saying I'm gonna tap it right here.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_04: Even though eccentric lady in the studios tells me not to tap the glass, I don't care.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_04: I don't care, I don't care because we've got the best show.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's certainly the best show produced in this studio.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_04: You're crazy.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_04: Tonight, tonight, we have in our studio, like wave, see, she's over the inside.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_04: Wave, look, she's waving back, right?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_04: We have Chloe Montamayor.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: Chloe, welcome to the show.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, gentlemen.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's really a pleasure to be here today.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: Chloe, you have you have written uh a marvelous book.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_04: Now, I you know, I read like you know, the cover and and Amazon had some notes, but it looked like a really marvelous book.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_04: It had a really nice cover.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_04: I like the colors.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, what what's the name of your book?
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I am the author of Good Mom, Bad Girlfriend, The Struggle in Raising and Romancing the American Man Child.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, and see, Jeff, that's in this show, we always try to talk about the big issues, the important things, the things that keep people up at night.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_04: And that, and you know, and the title, I gotta admit, the title really kind of hooked me in because you know, as you know, Jeff, I've always been close with my mom.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_04: And so I saw this good mom, bad girlfriend.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_04: I thought, well, that's interesting.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_04: I like that concept.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so but I was just gonna say, I I digress.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she had me at Montemayor.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: What a great name.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I'd kill for a name like that.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: I bet you're a wonderful writer based on, you know, I think now in in little information.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: Now in in Spanish, I think that name means uh stoned mayor or high mayor or drugged mayor.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh mayor would be major, and Monte is mountain or hill.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so my ancestors are from the Castilla La Mancha and uh Sevilla areas of Espana.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, I think my ancestors we lived on the highest ground, so we got the name Monte Mayor.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, and I and I actually know that Chloe is uh actually means Arthur.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_04: So I think it does.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it does, and that's in Basque.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's not in Spanish, so that's in Basque, you know.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, but anyway, but but Chloe, but we digress, we digress Chloe.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh tell how tell us about this book.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_04: What what is the problem of the good mom bad girlfriend?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, so my book is just trying to take an incisive snapshot at the crisis plaguing the women of my generation.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: That crisis being that American moms are sheltering and babying their sons uh when those boys are still living under their mom's roofs.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then when the boys turn 18, they're cut loose into the world.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: And the boys they be they legally they become men, but they're half cooked when they get to me.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's up to mature professional women like me to finish raising these men.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm finding that they generally don't avail themselves to this level of development and growth until I've already slept with them.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_04: I I can see that happening.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_04: I, you know, and and it it's interesting, Chloe, that they're they're half baked.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_04: See, I think that goes back to the name to the high mayor, right?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_04: The stoned mayor or the drugged mayor, because these guys are all half baked.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is okay, mayor in Spanish does not mean mayor like an alderman or an elected official in Spanish.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: It means like mayor, like major.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_04: So they're majorly baked.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're getting really caught up in my name.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, but it's such a nice name.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it looks so good on the book cover, at least on the website.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't see the actual the actual book.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: But now, are you related to uh the Supreme Court Justice?
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she is Soto Mayor.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: And oh, is that different?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean it's sort of like you know, like there's the last of the it's the suffix mayor.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: I guess they were from the main soto.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: So so sotomayor would mean kind of sort of high, right?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_04: No, so she's a little, she's a little, she's a little half baked too.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_04: But but we digress, we digress.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_04: But but Chloe, what is the situation that American women find themselves in with these men child, these these guys who are 18, but they're still kind of the Peter Pan sort of thing.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh well, please, I want to clarify.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying that in American culture, young men typically live with their mothers until they're 18 and then they go off into college.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: And my book, please do not think that I am dating 18-year-olds.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying that young men are going out into the world at 18.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you think in many other cultures by 18, you know how to do your laundry, starch your shirts, get a job, do a lot of things on your own independently.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: But it, you know, as the sections of my book address, including household, fashion, diet, and dreams, American men that are coming my way.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: And this is based on a survey of 70 American boyfriends I've had.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, a lot of these boys still need these young men still need a lot of hand holding to get her.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: Boy, I mean it is so.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: So this when when we're talking man-child here, like what ages emotionally do you see like the man and the child?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is the child uh out of diapers?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Is uh, you know, is it grade school, like and and is the man like a senior type guy, you know, 60s, 70s, like like what's the perfect age to describe what a man child would be?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think we should just look back to our cinematic history as an American people and think of some famous man children.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: We have basically every Adam Sandler character from the 90s, including Billy Madison, uh Happy Gilmore, uh The Water Boy.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's still live, the Water Boys still live with his mother, and his mother still helped him with a lot of things.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Norman Bates from Psycho.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, got uh we've we have a rich history of celebrating and enabling the American man child.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he can take different forms and he can be very attractive.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but on the inside, they're all just Bart Simpson.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, and you know, Chloe, is there is there a litmus test for what separates a man child from maybe just somebody who doesn't have certain skills?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: Is there like for example, if if you know, let's say, let's say a guy likes to go to his mom's house and eat mac and cheese and uh bum cigarettes from her.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: I that that wouldn't be bad, would it?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's not no, that's not I do that.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: I go to my parents' house and mommy and daddy, you know, they let me have a snifter of cognac whenever and some with some prime rib if they have that lying around.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm talking more, well, I guess a litmus test I have for men is when was the last time you washed your duvet?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, it's so true.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: I I do have a question though, like what's a lip is a litmus test?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: What's a duvet?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: What's a duvet?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: What's a man child?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Those are the three questions that I kind of am asking.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: You can answer those in any order.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, I think what I'm trying to capture with the man child is a full-grown man that still remains infantile in his behavior and is very dependent on his family and friends to thrive, and lacks some of the uh ability to sustain himself without dressing himself properly, feeding himself properly, planning his life properly.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm trying to get to that with man child.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: So so that brings the question uh somebody who is still dependent on their parents would bring their parents like into their workplace with them and and their relationships with them.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, maybe have them on their podcasts like Steve had his mom or I had my dad.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: Would you would you say that that could be um a red flag that maybe Steve and I might be stuck in uh you don't think that we're you don't think we're wait, wait, that we're what she's talking about?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I do find it a little concerning, Steve, that you had to ask me what a duvet is.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, come on, everybody knows that.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Just saying.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: So if you don't know what part of your bedroom set is the duvet, I'm very concerned about when you last washed it.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I wash my duvet every night.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_04: Well, now, now would it be, would it be now somebody wouldn't be a man child if let's say like hanging out with with mom, but you know, you have to earn the drinks.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like she'll give you drinks and she'll let you smoke, but you gotta you gotta hit par in miniature golf, or you gotta or you gotta earn it.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: It's not, you know, it's like an achievement award.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's not you don't just get it.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I used to go to Jeff's house, his dad just gave me booze.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't care, but no, my mom, I had to earn it, you know.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: I had to believe me, you earned it with my dad too.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: But it's a different podcast.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I mean that's exactly I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when I was still going to Marist, mommy and daddy wouldn't open a bottle of their Montmart 68 unless I was getting good grades.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think there's anything wrong with little rewards or little attack atta boys, out of girls.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that that's what I'm getting at.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting more at your mom still buys your paper towels for you because you can't bring yourself to go to Costco on your own.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_04: And picking out the right paper towel is difficult, you know, there's a lot that goes into that decision.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I was in Mexico, I didn't have time to go buy paper towels when I was in Mexico.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen those paper towels in Mexico anyway?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's gonna buy them there.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: I had to ask my dad to pick up some.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I I feel like I'm sounding defensive.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't mean to be, uh, but yeah, I I I take your point.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that Steve and I probably um don't qualify as that, though.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: I I think I think of Steve as very mature.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yes.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: You know, yes, I'm exceedingly mature.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: I'm exceedingly overly mature, in fact.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: Too mature, probably.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Steve, let's give you the benefit of the doubt.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you don't have a duvet, maybe you have a comforter.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, well, I have one of those, yeah.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: When was the last time you watched that, Steve?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: Let's see.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: This is still 22, right?
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, let me think.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_04: Uh were were the Red Sox in the World Series?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: 67?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, no, that was that was well, no, I watched it since then.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, while I'm thinking here, I you know, she mentioned she went to Marist.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: Very good.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: I and you know, I just think I I'm always a big fan of that that guy, and I I'm just really sorry his home run record got broken, you know, because he was he was quite the guy, you know.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_04: I that Roger Marist.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I just wasn't No, I went to Marist, the other school in Poughkeepsie, New York.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Don't ask me about Vassar.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I get it.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, not Marist.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_04: I bet Vassar is loaded with men child children.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's a women's school.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, is it yeah, probably not then, you know?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think you're probably safe there.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: You know, and you know, and and Jeff, we've got a lot more to go through with Chloe here and and a lot more to learn about this this this man child phenomenon.
• 15:39
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• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Jeff, this one is so good.
• 15:47
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• 15:52
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• 15:59
  SPEAKER_04: So I think I thought we should let them.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_04: And so with that, I'm going to um let's just go to commercial.
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  SPEAKER_04: It does nothing.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes nothing is exactly what you need.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, every time I hear it, it's it's like it's the first time I've heard it, primarily because I don't think I paid attention last time it it ran.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: So this is actually the first time.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: I do have a question though, um, for uh our author.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: So so this place, placebo place, we must pronounce the sponsor correctly, yes.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_04: Is there a brute?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, yes.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: So if we're prescribing this to a man child, is there a do we look for like a junior version of it, you know, for children, or do you feel like a man child can take uh adult medication?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I am not a doctor, and it's my understanding from the commercial that this placebex is kind of a numbing agent for people, and that's the last I want to see man children taking.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: They need to wake up and grow up.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: So they need kind of the opposite of placebox.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_04: See, I you know, Jeff, what a great you know, you know, farmer brute could be really interesting.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: It just creates the opposite of placebox, and you got a whole market of men child.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, exactly.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of tackling this issue with pills, I mean, we could talk about some of the strategies addressed in my book.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't we do that?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_04: What are what are some of the strategies that that would really work to get those men children unnumb?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, you know, my some of the chapters, like I said, cover um household being more uh less of a man-child in the house, being less of a man-child with your wardrobe, your diet.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, for instance, with fashion, uh I've really struggled um with men dressing properly.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's just too much to ask them to put a sweater on over that collared shirt I got them just once to a wedding because it might look yeah.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um Wow.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: So maybe you got interested in this topic because you were kind of involved in the topic.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like I said, my um strategies and solutions are based on a survey I conducted of having 70 American boyfriends.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_04: And so what I that's a good sample, you know.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's you look very young though, for for 70.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: So how long did you have each boyfriend?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Let's I you know, I really didn't come on the show to discuss that.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: I came here to discuss my book and my findings.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, okay.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Gotcha.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let me let me ask you a a book question, then anyway.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: So now, is there such a thing as a female child?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: If there's a man child or a woman child or a girl child, is there an equivalent to that?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Is that a future book in your and I think you should I think you should clarify, Jeff.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_04: You're not you're not talking.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: We do have listeners in Arkansas, but you're not talking about that.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: You're talking about the this adult women that are like still like a female analog to the crisis I am addressing in my book.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, that's what I was asking.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Possibly.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the media suggests there maybe.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, with the girls on Broad City or the other shows, you know, but I'm not here to discuss women, child, or whatever.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, let's see that book.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see that research.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see it on Amazon, Steve?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_04: No, I and I looked and looked, and and I don't boy, I I don't know that uh there is.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Anyone that has had 70 woman-child girlfriends that could write with the expertise that Chloe is bringing here.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: I I I just I don't know.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: I I did not see it.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Me neither.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: And you and Chloe, you've just knocked me out here because uh I feel like you've really opened up my eyes to this whole man infant kind of thing going on here.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: And and uh I'm getting the book.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know about you, Steve, but uh but I I'm buying the book.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm probably gonna buy two of them.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're not really my intended demographic, but I'm flattered.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I'll I will pass it along though, uh, because I think I know some people that might might be in that category, you know, and some of them are pretty advanced in age.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, because this is this a phenomenon that wears off at some point, or or have you seen 60-year-old, 70-year-old men children?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: I have.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've dated some older UPS drivers you wouldn't believe were in their 60s, but you know, even then, I had to have serious conversations with them about their motocross careers.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: And do you really have to be gone every weekend to go do motocross?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: And especially it becomes more concerning as men get older.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, um, a lot of these man children, they are going to just die of ass cancer if they think they can eat chili dogs every day for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so in my book I feel like she's talking to me.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's it's the chili.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: I think if you eat a corn dog three meals, you you'd be fine, but it's the chili that kind of throws it off.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's the salted meats, it's the sulfite.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh that's the real danger that I try to address and that people should be concerned about.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so my book uh has a cookbook section with fun ways to lull your man-child boyfriend into eating whole grains, pulses, and veggies.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like they already know that.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, there's like um a motorcycle that ripped away.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um there is motocross the motocross weekend.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_04: Here we go.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: It started.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, like I a lot of us career women, we are stereotypically crunchy whole foods types.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: So the boyfriend will be used to saying, like, hey honey, come over.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm making kale waffles.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the man-child boyfriend will think, heh heh heh, I'll just pick the kale off the top of the waffles.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: But you trick them, you blend, you liquefy, and you blend the kale into the battery so there's no avoiding the kale, they have to consume the fiber and the vitamins.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's no escaping recipes.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, kale waffles, wow.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: You can still dump syrup on them, right?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, but you can also, I also have tips on facilitating conversations with your boyfriends about serving size.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you really need to eat a whole rack of ribs today and other such, you know, common conversations with the American man child.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the child side of them probably likes those cups, you know, with the sippy cups, you know, where you put the the lid on them and then the straw goes through it.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: Then you can knock them over and nothing happens, you know.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's perfect.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yes, those are common at the UFC fights that man children um tend to host on the weekends.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, like that, like that podcast guy, huh?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_04: See, see, huh?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, like the podcast guy.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and and the podcast guy comes up, yes.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and you can talk you can talk with your man child boyfriend about maybe other more illuminating programming.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like maybe the Stephen Jeff Experience podcast.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: That would be something that would draw them out into adulthood.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking more like fresh air with Terry Gross.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, that's okay.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is that uh is that um CBS?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: I thought of uh Philadelphia, W H Y Y, and then it's distributed nationally through NPR.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't fired from there at all.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: A former NPO did you did you write this book while you were working?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because 70 boyfriends, you must be really taking you're really uh taking.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you spoke with my agent beforehand, but I came here to talk about my book.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I get distracted so easily.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Let me ask you something about the book then.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so you had the 70 boyfriends.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Now, how many pages in the book did you discuss each of the 70?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: And how many total pages, counting the cookbook part, is in the book?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a researcher first and foremost, Jeff.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, there's lots of different ways to do research, but what I'm what I did here was aggregate hard data.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: I I was not writing odes to each individual.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Jeff, yeah.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, uh, she was just she didn't sleep with 70 guys to enjoy it.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_04: No, she slept with 70 guys for the purpose of research.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's just for the science.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you didn't it was for hard data.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: For hard data, exactly.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it was exactly right.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm gonna guess it maybe wasn't always that hard, you know, but but but I digress.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, there's a chapter in the book about that too.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, I yeah, see, see, I bet.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, it it just it's interesting that you would pick this because this I I don't think a lot of other people have written about this topic, have they?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, um we are a emerging field, and so I'm sure I'll encounter more of the other folks researching this topic at the next conference.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, I I know, I know that you're not really talking about us when you talk about these men children, but you know, I'm just gonna when I go to my mom's and pick up the My Little Ponies that I left there, and uh, we eat some mac and cheese.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm just I'm gonna ask her what she thinks, you know.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: You you played with little my little pony?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, are you one of those bronies?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, yeah, yeah.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like there was judgment in my tone there.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and this is all wrong.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: They're my ponies, you know.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Steve borrowed them once and never returned them.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I borrowed them.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_04: In like 1973, and I just I still have them, you know.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's just I don't know.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_04: They're at my mom's, you know.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: So you're both cronies.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, that's how we first kind of met when we were kids, you know.
• 29:01
  unknown: Yeah.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you, you how about another litmus test?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: Well, okay, I'm ready.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm ready, yeah.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what's your five-year plan?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_04: Five years in the future?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_04: Take that wooden steep.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, well, see, I was I, you know, I I gotta think about that because I was all set to answer like what I've done the last five years, and that probably wouldn't take that long to explain.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_04: But but five years in the future, but that's a that's a harder question.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's the kind of question that maybe we need to uh bring our um our guests back to just talk about the next five years because it sounds like uh, and correct me if I'm wrong, what we've dealt with here up to now is the past, the referencing of the 70 men that you dated.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: What we're really wanting to go towards now is the future, right?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that is something that we'd love to have you the next seven guys or children or whatever, whatever they are.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that's where we should go.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Is it possible for you to come back and resume this discussion?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm fascinated.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Jeff, it's are you suggesting that my next that my five-year plan involves some accelerated sexual walkabout where I'm having sex with 70 more Americans?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: That would be a wild five years, I gotta tell you.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and sometimes, Steve, you know, you do these interviews and you're so skilled at this interview process that you just pull things out of people.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Have we created some news here?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a researcher.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh, oh, I thought you were making a statement.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's what I am I'm repeating back to you what you are implying to me.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, oh I don't remember, and if she did, Jeff, it would be only for the science.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's like we were talking before, it's only before the science.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I need that, I need somebody to repeat back to me what I just said because a lot of times I'm just not paying attention.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even listen when I'm talking.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have no idea what I'm saying half the time.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I really want to thank you, um, Chloe or Arthur or whatever you're Chloe.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Mont Mayor.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, fine, Chloe.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was great.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Great meeting you, great having you on.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like I'm a better man child than I was before this interview started.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm it's been a pleasure.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you're welcome, gentlemen.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, Chloe, we it it's been great having you on, and best of luck with the book.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_04: We'd like to have you back because you know, millions, millions of people listen to this podcast, and you'll sell a ton of books now.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: I know you were like way down on the the Amazon stats, but this this appearance, this appearance is gonna drive you right up, right up to the top, right up to the top.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: No doubt.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_04: And we're uh you know, we're just about to get kicked out of eccentric Ladyland Studios here.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_04: But Chloe, listen, it's been great.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you're a great audience, a great, great guest, and a great book that I'm gonna buy and and probably put on the shelf.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: The colors kind of match this wall behind me, so I'll probably put it right over there.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_04: But but I might I might read it too.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe I I'll have my mom read it to me.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe I don't know.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've really enjoyed this.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we're all all about expanding the audience.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: If you happen to know the uh email addresses of the 70 guys that were involved in your study, that's you know, we'd like to that's highly confidential.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's recently.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_04: Or, you know, since no one's really done the research on the woman child, if if there would be, say, let's just say 70 volunteers that would want to participate in a study that we would conduct, that Jeff and I would conduct, we'd probably need 140, really, if we're both gonna do it, right?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, it just please we'd be let us know.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: We'd be glad to uh glad to do that.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: And and if you put the women children and the men children together, you basically got like a grade school, which you know, I think is kind of cool.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_04: Well, oh gosh, we're we're gonna get, oh, yeah, they're knocking, they're not and see, they tell me not to tap on the glass, they're knocking on the door, they want us out of here, right?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: Chloe, thank you very much.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Chloe.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: We will talk soon and Jeff, talk to you next time.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: We'll be back soon next time with another great guest.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Happy Thanksgiving or Halloween or something, whatever it is.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, bad.