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#155 - He's Chris & That's Mike · The Chris and Mike Show

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  I love that song, love that song.
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  I do too man, I always have and I it hits me the same way every
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  time. I always love singing that song.
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  It was a great song to sing. I remember, like, sitting at the
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  Control Board while you were singing that in the bathroom,
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  man. And like, we couldn't see each
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  other because we weren't in a real studio.
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  We were in my apartment. And I just remember getting lost
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  in my mind, man. I was like, if that's not a hit,
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  I don't know what is. And I never said that about
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  anything else, but it catches me the same way every time.
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  Yeah, me too. I know I'm super biased.
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  I think, I think, but I think that nothing man and and.
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  Nothing man hit me the same way. Listen to your sin.
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  Nothing man, Freeman, listen to your sin.
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  I think of of the because I think those are the three ones
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  out of the gate. You know, I mean, I, I'm biased.
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  I think all our shit would still be relevant today.
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  Once we put it out, we'll see. Mama Kay always liked Vision.
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  It used to be a song called Concrete and Steel when Mike was
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  in the band, so that's what she still calls it, but she'd love
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  the music to that. Yeah, yeah, And she's.
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  Listening to this Hi mom, love you.
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  Hi, Mama Kay. She'll remember Concrete and
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  Steel, which became Vision, which was about Chris having a
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  reoccurring dream of his death at 30 years.
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  Old, right, all the warm and fuzzies, which you know, which I
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  mean, in a sense it happened because I ended up having having
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  this weird little heart thing on Memorial Memorial Day weekend of
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  my 30th year on the planet. So, you know, it kind of still
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  happened in a in a weird way. It did.
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  So, yeah, so this is the Christian Mike show.
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  Obviously. I'm Chris.
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  He's Mike. We are.
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  We are just entertaining one another today.
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  Not sure what happened to our guest, but you know, it's your,
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  it's their loss is your gain. Because I just get the dynamic.
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  Yeah, but yeah, you just get the dynamic dealer.
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  That is the Chris and Mike show coming to you live with 28
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  countries now, right? 29. 29 countries, like go figure
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  that shit out. I should have looked up how to
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  pronounce this country. It's MALAWIMALA.
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  W ma Mal Malawi mawala mawala. Malawi, Malawi.
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  Malawi. MAWI, Malawi, We.
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  We There you go. So welcome, Malawi.
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  Welcome, we're glad you could join us on this.
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  It's cold where I'm at dude. I got our normal sleeves on.
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  Malawi. Oh Oh yeah, it's hot where
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  they're at. Probably, yeah.
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  No, I'm cold, man. It's it's like 60 some odd
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  degrees. It's been raining off and on all
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  day. The rain we were supposed to.
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  Get it has here too. Oh, right on.
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  That's. Good.
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  Where you guys kind of enjoy it because you don't really get to
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  experience a weather change. I look, I sat down at lunch and
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  I looked outside and I was like, son of a bitch, it's winter.
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  It's like Game of Thrones, man. Winter has come.
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  Winter has come. Which was my first thought when
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  I looked outside. But you know, you have to have
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  watched Game of Thrones for that to have made.
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  Sense, right, Right. So did you watch Land Man?
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  It came back last night. Is it just one episode?
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  No, I did not watch it. I.
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  I only watched one episode. I didn't.
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  I didn't watch it anymore because I wasn't sure.
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  But they tried to do let me look.
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  They tried to do a truth bomb in the beginning.
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  Yeah. And it you could tell it was
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  forced right? Because if I watched season 1
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  like. Without giving a spoiler house
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  so OK so. So season 1, his truth bombs
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  would come random moments during the show, right?
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  Like you wouldn't expect them to be there.
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  They were. They were relevant to the world
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  itself. I thought anyway, like, like the
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  power one, the the, the windmills, you know, that they
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  built how they talked about that and that that entire 16 minute
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  truth bomb, the truth palm about smoking cigarettes to how a
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  Vietnamese guy can live to be 99 years old and he smokes a pack
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  of cigarettes every single day. So it's not, it's not the
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  cigarettes, it's it's American food, it's the American culture.
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  It's whatever those things were like they were, they were
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  written into the script. I thought very unique spots in
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  the storyline that you didn't expect them coming.
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  And so episode one they lead out of the gate with one and it's
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  just kind of it to me, it's just kind of fell short.
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  It's like I'm expecting this and it kind of came to here, you
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  know, it's just there's a gap in and that was the only truth bomb
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  in that episode in that. So it kind of left me like, OK,
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  that was kind of a drag, kind of a.
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  Drag, I'll probably watch it. I was, I was torn whether I
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  wanted to wait till the whole thing was out and just binge
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  watch it, yeah, or watch it an episode at a time.
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  So I chose to watch the. Yeah, it was still good.
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  It was still, it's still, yeah, it still lived up to the Land
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  man standards that it has. You know, it's just to me, the
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  truth problem wasn't, wasn't it wasn't necessary for the
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  episode. It it could.
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  It had nothing. It didn't pertain to anything
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  that the episode embodied. I have a strange feeling I'm
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  going to agree with you. Yeah, so, so Mr. Mike Michaels
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  here, share me, shared with me some things and this is the
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  first thing you share. With don't use the don't do the
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  parenting one because save that one for last because I actually
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  want to hear your opinions on a lot of those things.
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  I'm on the musician one right now.
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  Oh, that's fine. Yeah, why musicians are
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  essential to culture. Yeah, the last thing I sent you
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  I think had to do with parenting.
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  I just wanted you to do that last because there's some things
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  in there I think you're going to find really interesting.
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  OK, yeah, so he sent me this thing and I can't share it for
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  some reason, probably because it's not on on the the web or
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  something. But why?
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  Musicians are essential to the culture and it's not just
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  entertainment. It's part of who we are #1
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  powerful memories. Songs connect us to time, place
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  and people like nothing else. Which is true example right as I
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  read that top of my head, one of the first songs that ever
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  played, I think on Nikki and I's first date or so, was a song
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  called Someone Into the Vicinity of the Heart by Shenandoah.
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  They no longer exist. You can't find that song
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  anywhere. It's impossible to find.
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  I remember the band. I don't know the song, but I
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  know that name. Yeah, yeah, so, but so as soon
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  if I hear that song automatically, I think of Nikki.
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  When we went through our our separation from my drinking, I
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  had made her a playlist because you can still make playlists
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  back then, even though it was on ACD Stains.
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  It's been a while because if you listen to the lyrics of it's
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  been a while again, how you interpret the song is what makes
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  it your own, how you, you know, But in interpreting those lyrics
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  at the time, it was completely relevant to what we were going
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  through with, with my becoming sober and just the separation
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  aspect of it and and being apart from each other for those 90
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  some odd days. So it was very relevant.
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  And still when I hear that song to this day, I remember that.
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  How about you? Song dude.
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  Yeah, it's a good song. Yeah.
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  What kind of powerful memories of music do you have there, Mike
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  Michaels? Every day.
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  That's my whole life. Right.
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  Well, yeah, but I'm just saying if if one song was listening.
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  To your story. And I was trying to share this
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  stupid thing, so I got sidetracked.
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  You're good for me. Music is me, man.
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  That's yeah, yeah. You know, we, we had this
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  discussion. When I say music is my religion,
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  I mean it, you know, that's what saved my life.
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  And that's what literally makes me hum.
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  You know, I'm. I'm in tune with the universe
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  when I've spent enough time not only studying it and playing it,
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  but enjoying it as well. I, I forgot how to enjoy music
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  for a long time. I took it so seriously as a
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  musician and wanting to be the vehicle that I forgot that I was
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  also the fan, you know? Oh nice, that's a nice.
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  So within the last probably, I don't know, five years for sure,
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  I've really gone back to just taking the time to sit down and
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  jam, you know, turn my surround sound system on, shut the world
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  out. Yeah, so you can, you can play
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  your guitar through your your home entertainment system.
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  Yeah, no shit. Yeah, technology's come a long
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  way, man. Not only can we do a podcast
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  2000 miles apart, I can use this little spark amplifier and I can
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  jam along with my iPad, the MacBook, my television.
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  Yeah. That's cool.
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  It's all really cool. It's super.
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  It is, and the sounds are amazing.
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  So for a musician, these things are not expensive.
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  I was fortunate that a friend of mine's letting me borrow it
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  seems in perpetuity at this point, but he has another
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  amplifier, so he's not missing out on anything.
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  But that's way beside the point. These are super cheap.
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  They're like probably $200 to get the kind of sounds that come
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  out of this amplifier when I was 15 to 25 years old and probably
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  15 to 50 because these things just came out.
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  You're you, you would have had to have spent thousands of
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  dollars. You would have had to have
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  bought a tube amplifier. Remember I I had a Marshall 100
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  Watt head. Yep, Yep.
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  That was $800 by itself at the time.
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  Those are probably close to 1800 now because they don't make them
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  anymore. Not that version.
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  Gotcha. Then you got to buy a cabinet.
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  It's got 4 speakers in it. If you blow up any of the
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  speakers which I did on regular basis, you got to put new
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  speakers in them. Right.
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  So you're talking and then you have to buy all the effects.
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  I had a rack mount system. All that shit cost money, man.
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  Yeah, yeah. That's why we're poor now.
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  This little box makes all those sounds.
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  That's crazy. That's like with the PA system,
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  you know, and then you get APA system then I I am a good that
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  that minimal vocal explain to people what.
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  You as a singer were expected to have, because it wasn't just
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  Chris showed up with a microphone.
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  If you had what he's going to describe to you, you were the
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  bomb, right? I don't remember, I don't I
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  don't remember how many channels or heads what everyone call it,
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  but it was APA system. So I had, I had there was a four
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  channel, OK, it's 4 channel PA system.
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  So I had, I had the two big speakers that had stands if you
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  wanted them. I think it had a couple monitors
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  with it. It had people to carry these
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  speakers. These aren't.
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  Home stereo speakers, right? So it had the head and the four
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  channels. So you could put the vocals, the
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  guitars, the bass, and then I, I don't know how we did the drums
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  or if you did the drums, I don't remember that part of it.
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  We didn't need to because we were all in the same room and
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  Scott beat the shit out of his drums so we only.
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  Had to mic him when? We played live.
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  Right. So and that was equipped through
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  2. Channels.
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  And then I didn't have to mic my guitar either, because obviously
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  we're in the same room again. Yeah, Yeah.
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  So that's what that was. And that was, I think back then
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  I want to say like I'm just under 5 grand with with the
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  vocal, I forget what. That's the part I wanted you to
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  get. To yeah, yeah.
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  I forget what the because as we, as we evolved, I think is a
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  couple months into just rehearsals and stuff before we
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  played you, you told me about some kind of effects thing and
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  it wasn't. I never liked having heavy
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  effects, but there's there's something to have just a little
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  a nuance of a delay on your voice because it fills some
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  space when you're holding out your notes and screams.
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  Little reverb. Yeah, little there.
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  That's what is a little reverb. So it wasn't, I never went super
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  heavy on the effects because again.
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  You used a slight reverb and you used a slight delay.
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  Yeah, just just you didn't start.
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  Using a delay until Jason talked to you into it at the.
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  Right, right. Yeah, he's.
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  Like I'm going to put a delay on there, but it was a slap back
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  delay. So you would say something and I
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  would just repeat quickly. It made.
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  What it does is it blends your voice when and Tony's probably
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  like Jesus Christ. Here's how you can explain this
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  a lot better. But well, come on the show,
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  Tony. I know we're waiting.
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  It just basically blends your voice into chaos, right, Because
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  a live setting, especially the Mason dryer, was long and
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  narrow. Yeah.
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  So he was making sure that you punched through the loud music.
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  Yeah. Always watching vocal, sitting
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  on top of everything. Is Jason still around?
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  No, he died. OK, that's what I thought,
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  'cause I would say when you get Jason on the show, I thought he
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  passed away. That was the He passed away,
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  maybe. Yeah.
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  Rest in peace, brother. Two years before we started this
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  show. Gotcha, that sucks.
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  He's a good guy. He's a real.
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  He would have done this in a heartbeat, man.
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  He would have remembered every Yeah, I would have loved to have
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  heard his reaction when he told us we had one last song and we
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  played an 11 minute. Yeah.
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  Open intervention. Divine Chris is like, yeah, I
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  got just the song. I got just the song, Turn
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  Around, Intervention, Divine, and then he comes up.
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  I remember him coming. I remember him coming up to the
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  stage like like, like, like, I don't know, maybe 6-7 minutes
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  into it. I don't remember the time, but I
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  remember I'm on the side of the stage rocking out or something.
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  You're playing solo or something.
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  I look at him, he's like, he's like, I'm like, yeah, dude, He's
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  like, I'm like, he's coming. Just wait.
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  It takes 2 minutes and 15 seconds just to break down the
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  end of the song because you got to back it down from how it
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  started. Right, but he loved that song.
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  So the credibility of that was don't ever do that again.
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  But fuck, that was a good song because it was that was the
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  heaviest. That was the heaviest thing we
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  wrote at that time. I think that just because it
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  was, it was, there was poetry, it was from my poetry book and
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  there was and, and I and, and my, my being naive, it's divine
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  intervention, right? And I just, I always thought it
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  was intervention divine. True story.
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  Oh, I thought you did that to be clever.
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  No, I didn't. I didn't.
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  I really did all these years. No, I didn't.
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  I gave you. I realized it.
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  Later I was like, that's so clever.
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  I I real years later I realized, oh shit, it's it's divine
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  intervention on intervention. Of mine, it was acid.
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  Yeah. And he inadvertently wrote one
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  of the coolest titles that we ever had.
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  Yeah, yeah, that was a great. I still like that song.
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  I just too bad we don't have that recorded because that'd.
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  Be epic. I I could remember that for
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  sure. Yeah, but.
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  It's that'd be hard without Scott, man.
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  Scott drove that thing, so his dynamics were outstanding.
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  Yeah, I'm still. Have we sent the music to
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  Lemoine yet for Freeman? Not yet.
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  I'm getting there. OK, I'll just ask him.
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  Hey Lemoine, what's up brother #2 on why?
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  His New Year's Eve show. No, you should.
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  I talked to, I talked to Gambino today from Velo Cheetah Music
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  and Entertainment Agency. He wants us.
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  He's he's he really wants us to come.
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  He really wants us to come to Oklahoma in January for the Hard
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  Rock party thing. I told him.
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  I said we'll talk about it. We'll figure it out if it's if
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  it's viable or not. So he's he's doing, he's got
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  something going on. Wait, I actually talked to him
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  about a couple hours ago. He's got something going on
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  actually an hour ago. He's got something going on
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  where he's merging with somebody else.
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  So he's just going to turn into a powerhouse.
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  The guy, if you haven't heard of a little Cheetah and you're in
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  the entertainment industry, Google Bella Cheetah.
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  He's a great guy. He's all about just helping
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  musicians get paid and and grow their their music.
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  He's going to he's Dave Newton. I told you this shot.
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  Yeah, yeah. Thanks.
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  Again, bro, Yeah, totally. Yeah, and from our advice, he's
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  having Dave newto rerecord the Lord of the Devil so they can
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  release it and you're. Going to I know, that's so cool.
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  I'm so proud of that. I.
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  Want to see that song being number one across the board?
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  Yeah, I have listened to it so many times.
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  I would be curious, Dave, if you're out there and you're
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  listening and you happen upon this, let Chris know or one of
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  us, how many times has that thing been played on Spotify
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  since you were on this podcast? Because I'm responsible for a
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  lot of I think you only get credit for once a day, but at
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  least once a day it's me. Yeah, and I and I bought it.
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  I bought it off of off of off of Apple or iTunes.
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  What are you doing, dog? Yeah, I have it in my iTunes as
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  well, but I don't ever use that. I always use my playlist so.
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  You're fine, Dozer, You're fine. He's getting credit for freaking
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  I'm streaming. Yeah, you're fine.
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  There's Doser the dog. Let's see if I can get Doser the
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  dog in. Why are you shaking, man?
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  What are you tripping on? He's like, I've never been on a
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  podcast, man. I'm nervous.
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  Jeez, just saying hi. He's tripping on something.
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  I don't know. We have a ghost, so maybe the
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  ghost is wandering around and freaking him out man.
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  Yeah, they see shit we don't for sure.
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  Yeah, it could. It could be because it's not
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  like him to be squeamish. That's why cats always freak me
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  out, because you know they're looking at shit.
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  Oh yeah, we, we could tell. He does.
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  Every now and then he'll look in the he'll stand up from where
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  he's in the great room. He'll just kind of look in this
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  corner. And that's what he's doing now.
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  So I don't know what the fuck's going on with Dozer.
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  And I told you, every fiber in my being wants to not believe in
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  any of that shit. But my family encountered that,
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  so I have to. Well, and see Skyler when she
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  was little, she we lived in her first house.
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  I encountered it multiple times. Yeah, yeah.
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  So I'll tell Skylar story. You tell me one of your stories.
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  So Skylar, I would wake up, I'd hear her talking, and I'd go in
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  her room and she was standing in the corner talking, like
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  literally having a conversation with somebody.
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  And so later we found out and, you know, she was talking to an
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  old lady. It's like a grandma or something
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  sitting in a rocky chair. There was no rocky chair, so we
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  asked the neighbor across the street who was original owner.
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  He's like, Oh yeah, whatever the last name was, Old Man Winter's
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  wife died in the house. And like, oh, OK, so Skyler's
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  talking to old the old lady. So she was having like a
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  conversation, a full blown conversation.
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  Yeah, and she went on. She went on till, I don't know
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  when it kind of left, but she would.
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  She did some weird shit, man. She would she met one of Nikki's
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  friends and and Nikki's like, oh, this is Ramey.
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  And she's like, oh, hi, Ramey Johnson and Ramey's like my last
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  name is not Johnson Scott. I was like, it will be like a
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  year later she got married to a guy named last name was Johnson.
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  Wait, back that up. I I missed something.
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  OK, start that story over because.
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  OK, please. OK, so so Nikki worked at a bar
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  and one of her friends at the bar, her first name was Ramey.
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  I don't remember her last name so I'm not going to.
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  It was a crazy last name like Ramey Federer.
• 23:02
  It doesn't matter, we don't want to do last night anyway, right?
• 23:05
  So we had come into the IT was an Applebee's Bar and Grill.
• 23:08
  We came into it one night and Nikki introduced, I think I
• 23:13
  brought Skylar with me and and we were sitting at a high top
• 23:15
  and Nikki came by and you know, she's bartending.
• 23:19
  So I think Remy was our servant. So Skylar's like Nikki's like,
• 23:22
  oh, this Chris, this is Ramy and Ramy, this is Skylar and
• 23:25
  Skylar's like hi Ramy Johnson. And Ramy kind of laughed and
• 23:28
  she's like, that's not my last name is Skylar's.
• 23:30
  Like it will be. And a year later, I think maybe
• 23:33
  you're. How old was Skylar at this
• 23:34
  point? We lived at the 2nd house, so 8
• 23:41
  or 9, maybe 789 somewhere around there.
• 23:44
  That is crazy dude. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:47
  And so, and she went on to do stuff like that to where she was
• 23:52
  there with with this chick. Megan was watching her.
• 23:56
  Nick and I were going out, so we dropped her off.
• 23:59
  So Megan was going to going to take her back to our house as
• 24:01
  soon as we left because we live right down the street.
• 24:03
  I think it's Megan. I'm not sure.
• 24:05
  Megan the firefighter chick. So the phone rang.
• 24:09
  The bartender at the time answered the phone and as soon
• 24:11
  as the phone rang, Scott looked at Megan and said, that's my
• 24:14
  mom. Understand?
• 24:16
  Back then you didn't have cell phones like we do now.
• 24:18
  So the the phones were constantly ringing in a bar, you
• 24:21
  know, Applebee's that you open with time, you're late, you
• 24:23
  know, etcetera, etcetera. Dog is still just standing
• 24:26
  there, historically looking at the corner.
• 24:28
  That's crazy. Yeah, so now he just walked
• 24:33
  away. So when the phone rang and and
• 24:35
  she looked at Megan and said, hey, that's my mom.
• 24:38
  And then the bartender, you know, hey, I think it was Mike
• 24:40
  the bartender. Hey, you know, Applebee's good
• 24:42
  afternoon, blah, blah. You know, whatever he said he he
• 24:44
  looks around the bar. He's like, hey, Megan, it's
• 24:46
  Nikki holding up the phone. So she she called a couple sexes
• 24:52
  of birth of the babies, you know, for people.
• 24:57
  She she has that site, which is probably, you know, it's
• 25:03
  somewhere in the family because Nikki's got a got a grandmother
• 25:05
  that, you know, refers to as a witch.
• 25:06
  Now she's a Wiccan, She's a white witch.
• 25:08
  She's not a black witch. She's a good positive witch.
• 25:10
  The dog still fucking freaking out.
• 25:13
  So yeah. So now go ahead with your story.
• 25:15
  No, they worship nature. Wiccans.
• 25:18
  Yeah, totally. I've.
• 25:19
  I've known plenty of Wiccans. I just remain unaffiliated.
• 25:23
  The house that I live in right now is the quietest house I've
• 25:27
  ever lived in my entire life. I only had one instance here
• 25:31
  that I cannot explain. I'll take a picture of it and
• 25:34
  I'll send it to you and it'll make sense.
• 25:36
  OK? My garage has A1 car garage and
• 25:39
  it's a type 1 car garage. Like, you got to pay attention
• 25:42
  to what you're doing, right? You can't.
• 25:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:44
  Fucking around or you'll fuck your car up, right.
• 25:47
  Right. On the wall that's adjacent to
• 25:49
  my studio here, there's brackets put up with a wooden shelf.
• 25:54
  It's about, I don't know, maybe a 2 foot wide 2 1/2.
• 26:00
  It's a solid piece of board. It's not going anywhere, right?
• 26:03
  It weighs a. Fucking ton.
• 26:04
  Yeah, yeah. I I woke up 1 morning and I have
• 26:09
  like paint cans and de icer for the winter and a tarp up there
• 26:14
  and mostly it's just like paint cans and a bunch of stuff that
• 26:19
  you would use in the winter time, right?
• 26:21
  Yeah. Every one of those fucking
• 26:24
  things was on the ground on the garage floor, but not one of
• 26:30
  those things hit my car, including the board.
• 26:35
  The board was down too. So the board is laying right
• 26:41
  next to my recycle bin, which is like this far about a foot from
• 26:45
  my car. But every other thing that was
• 26:48
  on top of that board and the board were on the garage floor.
• 26:52
  How it how none of that shit ever hit my car.
• 26:55
  It's impossible. I can Ding my car door if I
• 26:59
  don't pull in far enough, I'll smack it against the recycle
• 27:02
  bin, right? It's plastic.
• 27:03
  It's not going to hurt anything. But that's how close it is to
• 27:06
  the wall and everything that's on along that wall.
• 27:11
  That's the only thing that's ever happened here.
• 27:13
  And I told Steele, I said I made a public service announcement.
• 27:17
  I stood right in the middle of the garage and I was like, if
• 27:19
  you're not paying fucking rent here, you have no business here.
• 27:22
  If you are not providing any kind of positivity to this
• 27:26
  property here, you are not welcome here.
• 27:30
  Later, never had another problem.
• 27:33
  So the weird. Thing back and forth go ahead,
• 27:36
  go ahead the. Weird thing that happened to me,
• 27:37
  I think I've told you this story is before I lived with Carrie, I
• 27:42
  started to every night I'd lay down and I could feel something
• 27:47
  at the end of my bed and all around.
• 27:50
  Oh yeah, we've had that. Yep.
• 27:53
  So when her and I started living together, like I finally got up
• 27:58
  the courage, I'm like, you know, do you feel that?
• 28:02
  And she's like, yeah, OK, you know, I'm not crazy.
• 28:07
  Somebody else experience just like you're experiencing this
• 28:09
  living in a haunted house with Nikki.
• 28:11
  At least you know you're not crazy, right?
• 28:13
  Something's happening and everybody admits to it.
• 28:16
  The weird thing is, is back in the day, nobody wanted to admit
• 28:19
  that shit. And then you had to suffer in
• 28:23
  silence right here. You're being tormented.
• 28:26
  Some people had mean ghosts, right?
• 28:28
  Or human experience, or whatever the fuck you want to call them.
• 28:33
  Absolutely. Some of that stuff is just
• 28:35
  undeniable. It just is.
• 28:37
  Agreed. Agreed.
• 28:39
  And like I said, every fiber of my being says I don't want to
• 28:42
  believe in that kind of stuff because I just don't.
• 28:47
  But if we live in a multi dimensional universe, how do you
• 28:51
  know that things aren't bleeding through right there?
• 28:53
  There could be so many explanations as to what's going
• 28:56
  on. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 29:01
  And Sky has referenced, like her, her husband, June Michael
• 29:04
  Michael Eugene Fryer, Junior. Michael Eugene Fryer Junior.
• 29:07
  We just call him June for junior.
• 29:10
  He is. He has made reference to toys.
• 29:13
  He'll be in one of the rooms, you know, and all of a sudden, a
• 29:16
  toy just starts going across the floor.
• 29:20
  And you're our neighbors. No, in their house, on their
• 29:22
  side. Because we just think the ghost
• 29:25
  goes back and forth. Yeah, we think the ghost goes
• 29:27
  back and forth. Yeah.
• 29:29
  It took one of Anthony's toys. Like, we couldn't find it
• 29:32
  forever. Like, I don't know, 6-7 months.
• 29:35
  And I had said it, I left. I left to take him to school.
• 29:38
  And I put it on the end table by the couch.
• 29:40
  Before I forget, did you ever find the remote from like, 100
• 29:45
  episodes ago? No, no.
• 29:48
  That remote just disappeared, went into the ether.
• 29:52
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:52
  Now, here's the crazy thing I told you about Mama Kay's makeup
• 29:55
  bag that showed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:58
  That'd be fascinating if you wake up one day and it's right
• 30:00
  where you thought it was all along.
• 30:02
  Because that's what happened. Yeah.
• 30:04
  Yeah, because what? Whatever he what, what?
• 30:06
  Whatever it was, that was his because I put it on the table,
• 30:10
  the coffee table, the not the cocktail, but the couch table,
• 30:12
  the couch table by the couch, seeing table.
• 30:14
  When I came home to put stuff away, it was gone.
• 30:16
  I was like, well, that's weird, you know, And I thought he just
• 30:18
  did something with it. And then next morning he asked
• 30:20
  for it. I was like, well, don't you have
• 30:21
  it? And so Long story short, I that
• 30:24
  came back, I think six months later, it was just there.
• 30:27
  I forget what it was, but. That's what happened.
• 30:30
  To her, she like asked. It was just there of.
• 30:33
  Course, she asked my dad, you know, Hey, did you move this?
• 30:35
  Because you got to ask the person you live with.
• 30:38
  And he's like, why would I do that?
• 30:40
  That's what she expected him to say.
• 30:42
  And she's like, OK, well, it's gone.
• 30:43
  I don't know what happened. Yeah.
• 30:45
  She woke up, what, a year or two later and bam, there it was.
• 30:48
  That's creepy. Yeah, yeah, it's strange.
• 30:51
  How does that kind of shit happen?
• 30:54
  I don't know, because when? When our neighbors to the east,
• 30:57
  No, I'm sorry, to the West, the good neighbors, they watched our
• 31:00
  house. We went when we went on a cruise
• 31:02
  last year and they came over one day and all the bar stools that
• 31:07
  were tucked underneath the kitchen island were all out and
• 31:11
  spread out. Like just, they weren't tucked
• 31:16
  in, they were all out. So, so their son Waylon, like he
• 31:20
  turned around, went and got Jenna and she's like, you know.
• 31:23
  So then when I went to pay him to give money for Waylon for
• 31:27
  watching the house, then his dad, Jason started telling me
• 31:29
  that that Jenna had a ghost when they were dating and some weird
• 31:33
  shit went down and stuff. It's gone down in his house to
• 31:36
  where they actually the ghost actually pulled.
• 31:39
  I, I forget if it was Jenna's grandmother, Jason's grandmother
• 31:42
  pulled the grandmother off the couch.
• 31:44
  They had cleaned up another event.
• 31:46
  They had cleaned up all the toys and stuff, put it away.
• 31:48
  Jason got up in the middle of the light because he couldn't
• 31:50
  sleep. And as he's walking through the
• 31:51
  living room, he started stepping on toys and he's like, what's
• 31:54
  what, you know, like we cleaned all this up.
• 31:56
  What the hell? So we think maybe that when we
• 32:01
  bought the house, we tore it apart.
• 32:04
  Like you could walk in our front door and you could, I mean, it
• 32:06
  was just frame and wood, you know, the exterior was there,
• 32:10
  but. All the way down to the studs.
• 32:12
  Right. The windows were open all the
• 32:14
  time because it was summer. We were airing out all the
• 32:16
  debris and stuff. So we think maybe the ghost got
• 32:17
  pissed and left, went to their house for a while or got tired
• 32:22
  of being in that house and then came over to us because we were
• 32:25
  kind of open. But for the most part you have
• 32:29
  your. Friends in here since right?
• 32:30
  We do yeah. There's nothing.
• 32:31
  I mean, it's weird to take stuff and you know, there's things
• 32:34
  that just randomly disappear and you can't you can't figure out
• 32:36
  where they are. You know, Nikki's like legit one
• 32:40
  of her, her favorite pair of jeans is just gone.
• 32:42
  Like it's gone. And we've looked and looked and
• 32:45
  then that's what happened to clean shit.
• 32:48
  That's what. Happened to my aunt at a house
• 32:50
  that she lived in. I won't say where which one, but
• 32:53
  yeah she had the same problem. She had a nice ghost too though
• 32:58
  it took things at times and it did weird shit.
• 33:01
  Like I was spending the night there one time and it I walked
• 33:03
  in the bathroom and the toilet just flushed for me like right
• 33:06
  as soon as I was done. That's crazy, man.
• 33:11
  It would flip lights on and off. That's absolutely crazy.
• 33:16
  I'm I had, I got distracted because I heard a little man out
• 33:19
  front, he's riding, he's practicing riding his bike.
• 33:21
  And because we have a security camera, I can actually see him
• 33:26
  practicing riding his bike. That's pretty cool.
• 33:33
  Is he on a straight 2 Wheeler now?
• 33:36
  He's still got, he's got 2 wheel, he's on a 2 Wheeler, but
• 33:38
  he's got training wheels, right, You know, because he's just
• 33:41
  it'll take him a little while to get this balance of stuff, but
• 33:45
  it's it's pretty cool. Awesome Yeah so let's go back to
• 33:52
  what what your missions where musicians are essential to
• 33:55
  culture number 2 is the rich emotions you get to interact
• 33:59
  with people sharing the music with individual love how Mike
• 34:03
  and I that's. My favorite part?
• 34:05
  Yes, a 30 year friendship was born instant.
• 34:08
  Yeah, Yes. Yeah, right there.
• 34:10
  And that's happened to me more often than not.
• 34:12
  Just like we're bitching about not bitching.
• 34:15
  We're complaining about Tony because we want him on the show
• 34:19
  for his knowledge. It was the same way with him,
• 34:21
  man. I would have just really long
• 34:24
  conversations over lunch and breaks and whatever, you know,
• 34:30
  while we were at Guitar Center. When you're, when you have a
• 34:33
  common interest like that and music is not just a common
• 34:36
  interest, it's a way of life, you know?
• 34:38
  Yeah, absolutely. Personal identity.
• 34:44
  The music we love becomes part of our story as.
• 34:46
  Individuals, I think we just covered that as well.
• 34:51
  We did, we did. And then the collective history,
• 34:54
  how songs capture the spirit of eras and give voice to cultural
• 34:57
  shifts, that that kind of is really on point because if you
• 35:01
  look at the decades of, of you look at every single decade,
• 35:04
  right? That the music's different for
• 35:06
  sure. The styles are different, you
• 35:07
  know. Yeah, right now I'm training a
• 35:09
  kid that's only 20 years old, and some of the songs he knows
• 35:12
  that I play, and some bands I'll be just fascinated that he
• 35:16
  doesn't know who they are. Yeah, right.
• 35:18
  Yeah, That's the fascinating thing about Music Man, for sure.
• 35:23
  But then you have bands like, and this is always fascinated
• 35:26
  me. Talk about paranormal.
• 35:28
  Why does Led Zeppelin never sound old?
• 35:33
  Yeah, well, we talked about how they how they purposely recorded
• 35:36
  the way they did. They have transcended time.
• 35:39
  For sure they have, because it doesn't matter what Zeppelin
• 35:43
  sound comes on, it's you don't feel like that's from the 60s
• 35:45
  and 70s. No at all.
• 35:49
  I don't think that's ever been replicated.
• 35:52
  I don't think so either. I mean you can the.
• 35:53
  Recording quality is what I'm talking about, right?
• 35:56
  Yeah. The fact that he was able to
• 35:58
  capture on tape timeless music, literally.
• 36:03
  Steele agreed with that. him and I had this conversation, I was
• 36:05
  like, you know what? I've always thought about that,
• 36:07
  too. He'll have the 60s and then
• 36:10
  he'll flip over to the 70s, like when he's driving back and forth
• 36:13
  to wherever he's going. And he said, you know, I, I, I
• 36:17
  thought the same thing. I, I'll hear a Zeppelin song
• 36:19
  come on. And it just doesn't sound old.
• 36:22
  It just sounds like Led Zeppelin.
• 36:24
  Yeah, and that's that's that's that's an amazing compliment to
• 36:28
  that band that they just sound like Led Zeppelin.
• 36:32
  Yeah, because I think Jimmy Page, one of his goals was
• 36:36
  exactly what I just said, right? He wanted to create music that
• 36:39
  transcended generations time. Yeah, I agree.
• 36:45
  With that 100%, yeah, for sure. So now this is a fun one.
• 36:51
  This is a quick health quick quick health facts.
• 36:54
  You didn't know that you sent me.
• 36:56
  I knew you would like to. So yawning?
• 37:00
  I never knew about this. Yawning cools your brain by up
• 37:03
  to 3°F and under a minute Yawning.
• 37:06
  Nor did I. That's one that I was like, no
• 37:08
  shit. Now what my brain must be,
• 37:11
  really. Hot because I got a yawn.
• 37:15
  What's funny about yawning is I can't completely yawn to
• 37:19
  completion since my neck surgery since I had the mishap Explain
• 37:24
  like I'll get to I'll get well OK when you yawn right, you get
• 37:27
  to the end of the yawn right? OK.
• 37:30
  I don't get the end of the. I'll get right there and then it
• 37:35
  just. Stops you never can't the
• 37:37
  satisfaction of the complete. I can't not since neck surgery,
• 37:42
  not since the not since I had the issue with the with the the
• 37:45
  incision swelling up and knocking the lymph nodes.
• 37:48
  And I've never been able to yawn since.
• 37:51
  So I can't yawn to crack my to pop my ears.
• 37:53
  My ears will just pop right? And I'm like, holy shit, I can
• 37:56
  hear again. It sucks flying.
• 37:59
  It sucks flying because I have to chew down the entire flight
• 38:03
  and then and then I don't realize my ears are, are
• 38:05
  unpopped until like, I don't know, two or three days later
• 38:09
  I'll just do something. All of a sudden click like, oh
• 38:12
  shit, I can hear. It's amazing.
• 38:14
  So yeah, that's all you do. It does suck.
• 38:17
  And then I don't know how to fix it.
• 38:18
  So, you know, eventually I have to go get this next one fixed.
• 38:21
  So maybe it'll reverse that. If there's any doctors out there
• 38:24
  listening and can help Chris with his problem, send us an
• 38:28
  e-mail. Chris and Mike show it at Gmail.
• 38:31
  Chrisandmikeshow@gmail.com I knew this one.
• 38:34
  I knew #2 Chewing celery burns more calories than it contains,
• 38:38
  so it has a negative calorie effect.
• 38:39
  I knew that. I knew eating celery burns more
• 38:41
  calories than it assumes. Yeah, I've heard this one too.
• 38:45
  Smelling. Yeah, I've heard this one too,
• 38:46
  about smelling Rosemary, how it boosts your memory by 15% in
• 38:49
  just minutes. That's a very interesting 1:00.
• 38:53
  And we have a lot of, we have a lot of Rosemary, but I've never
• 38:56
  actually tried it, so I should try it one day.
• 38:59
  Start snorting a little Rosemary.
• 39:01
  Right. It's nice when I, when I trim it
• 39:04
  because I have it around the front of the house.
• 39:05
  When I trim it, I'd spend like crazy.
• 39:08
  It does and we make Rosemary. We use Rosemary from our garden
• 39:12
  for chicken, so it's great. Beet juice.
• 39:16
  I'm not a big fan of beet juice, but it helps like a natural
• 39:18
  blood pressure pill, lowering your points, lowering it by at
• 39:22
  least 10 points. My Grammy loved beats I know
• 39:26
  understood the fascination. Then here's this one.
• 39:30
  Standing on one leg builds balance plus core strength equal
• 39:33
  to 10 sit ups. Reap, I heard you, but repeat
• 39:37
  that. Balancing on one leg builds
• 39:43
  balance and core strength equal to 10 sit ups.
• 39:46
  But it doesn't say for how long. That's why I had.
• 39:48
  Your It doesn't say for how long.
• 39:50
  It does not say for how long. So if I just do it for 2 seconds
• 39:53
  I did 10 sit ups, I'm going to get swollen.
• 39:57
  OK, so, so I'm on one leg right now.
• 40:00
  OK, so it's it's 4. See here's the problem.
• 40:03
  You got to balance. You got to balance, OK.
• 40:05
  Well, that was part of the instruction balancing on one leg
• 40:08
  I. Was trying to do it properly
• 40:11
  without getting off screen. OK, so there.
• 40:15
  So there, I'm balancing. I'll balance.
• 40:17
  I went on this Eating Chili Peppers speeds metabolism by 23%
• 40:20
  for up to two hours, which would be great if you like Chili
• 40:23
  Peppers because I don't. Chili Peppers give me heartburn.
• 40:26
  Yeah, if you get heartburn, Chili Peppers are not for you.
• 40:30
  Right #7 humming for 5 minutes Boost nitric oxide, improving
• 40:36
  airflow 15 times. Everybody's like shut the fuck
• 40:45
  up. I'm going to, I'm going to hum
• 40:47
  and stand. Yeah.
• 40:49
  Cold showers increase dopamine levels by 250%.
• 40:54
  Just cold therapy alone is so good for you, right?
• 40:59
  It releases cold shock proteins into your body.
• 41:03
  Now what does what's dopamine do?
• 41:06
  Dopamine, that means. What does dopamine do?
• 41:10
  Oh, OK, That's, that's what everybody's looking for is the
• 41:12
  dopamine drop. That's what you know, OK.
• 41:14
  Addicts are looking. For is that feeling.
• 41:18
  Gotcha. Laughing with friends triggers
• 41:22
  endorphins that raise tolerance by 10 to 15%.
• 41:26
  Tolerance to what? Yeah, because it doesn't say
• 41:33
  hydrogen rich water neutralizes something.
• 41:37
  I would say tolerance to other people in general.
• 41:41
  OK, yeah, I had. I had to unstep my my because it
• 41:44
  says the hydrogen rich water. Uh oh.
• 41:48
  What are you crying for, Trip? Trip's crying.
• 41:52
  I don't know. Something's wrong with Trip,
• 41:53
  man. No, he's not.
• 41:54
  He hasn't been. He's been sick for a couple days
• 41:59
  and he hears me talking. Yeah.
• 42:03
  Hydrogen. Which water neutralizes
• 42:06
  something, but I can't show what it neutralizes because there's
• 42:10
  something over it. I don't think I cared about that
• 42:15
  one because I was like where the fuck are you going to get
• 42:17
  hydrogen rich water? Right.
• 42:20
  And then oh, I put that down. That's a little wacky.
• 42:23
  And then slow breathing lowers your blood pressure by 8 to 10
• 42:28
  points. Active, active, active
• 42:34
  backazone. So that's the, that's the I have
• 42:42
  activity by my office window. Are you being spied on?
• 42:47
  What's up, bobblehead? Chris is being spied on, ladies
• 42:50
  and gentlemen. Come here.
• 42:52
  I'm I'm podcasting man. You we can't I can't get trip
• 42:55
  over here because in church want me to pick him up and hug him
• 42:57
  and stuff. So don't talk Trip and hear me.
• 42:58
  OK, OK. I see you riding your bike,
• 43:01
  though. You're doing a good job.
• 43:05
  Life lessons being handed down right here, live on the podcast,
• 43:09
  ladies and gentlemen. Life lessons.
• 43:10
  Yep. Yep, life lessons.
• 43:12
  I like it. 20 things you should never share with your kids Adult
• 43:17
  relationship problems. What do you?
• 43:19
  Protect their sense of security. I want to know how you feel
• 43:23
  about each one of these. I OK, so I never that's.
• 43:26
  Bullshit. OK.
• 43:27
  Tell me one. So I think that's bullshit.
• 43:28
  I because I think that your children need to understand that
• 43:33
  life isn't perfect. The, the, the ups and downs, the
• 43:37
  ebb and flows. They need to understand that
• 43:39
  that not everything is a fairy tale because that's what you see
• 43:43
  online. We've talked about it before,
• 43:44
  right? Oh, you know, skip and Stacy,
• 43:47
  perfect little life. And then all of a sudden
• 43:49
  everything's positive, positive pause.
• 43:50
  And now all of a sudden the skip and.
• 43:51
  Station and even for social media, was that not the
• 43:54
  portrayal that people tried to? Yes.
• 43:58
  Gaussian. Harry, on the outside, yeah,
• 44:00
  thank you. And on the inside, things were
• 44:02
  chaos. Yeah.
• 44:04
  So no, I wanted people. To hear your opinion, because I
• 44:07
  think more about, I think that's more the way to raise children
• 44:12
  in reality, right? They'll be more prepared for the
• 44:15
  world if they use your approach in that life is not all roses.
• 44:18
  That's how my parents were too. They were honest with us about,
• 44:22
  you know, they didn't tell us the horror part of it.
• 44:25
  They just said things are not good right now.
• 44:27
  We have to do XY and Z right? Right.
• 44:30
  And that's number two, right? And that's number two, the
• 44:32
  financial worries you. I agree that you shouldn't carry
• 44:35
  that down to your children because you don't need them
• 44:37
  stressing. But kids, kids hear everything
• 44:41
  and they listen when you don't think they're listening.
• 44:43
  And some of the, some of the stories that I hear from
• 44:47
  teachers because I'm married to 1, the children's opinions that
• 44:52
  some of them will state are, are too old for them to state,
• 44:58
  meaning they're hearing it at home from mom and dad and they
• 45:02
  think it's relevant to, you know, 6th grade or fifth grade.
• 45:08
  And it's not, it has nothing to do with it.
• 45:09
  But they're, they're, they're honing in on that and bringing
• 45:13
  those opinions that no, no, are not always positive.
• 45:20
  We'll say, you know, I can't, I can't really think.
• 45:23
  I can think of 1, but I'm not going to share it because that
• 45:25
  would kind of that would it would bring up if, if it would
• 45:31
  bring up the situation that that, Yeah.
• 45:36
  And if anybody, if anybody's listening to this that, you
• 45:39
  know, knows us and knows the events and stuff, it's yeah,
• 45:43
  school. And it's nothing bad.
• 45:44
  It's just an opinion of something that that a child was
• 45:48
  sharing. It was one of those like step
• 45:52
  back. Like what'd you say?
• 45:54
  Like what? It's like, you know, a little.
• 45:56
  Pure adult. Yes, way way too adult for an 11
• 46:01
  year old. One of the best. 11 year old.
• 46:04
  People that I listen to, you know, like for a lengthy period
• 46:07
  of time, which is the only way that I'll accept someone's
• 46:10
  opinion is if I've listened to him for more than a couple
• 46:13
  hours, Right, right, right. And most of the podcast I listen
• 46:17
  to her long form. So this guy basically said
• 46:19
  exactly what you just said and then he followed up with you.
• 46:24
  Talk to children about reality at their level, right?
• 46:29
  You don't tell a 5 year old we're going to lose our house.
• 46:32
  You just say that we can't afford to buy that doll for you,
• 46:35
  right? We're just not in a position to
• 46:37
  be able to do that right now. Something like that, right?
• 46:41
  It's so so I had this is you like this.
• 46:43
  So I have a friend from Rotary that he runs a retirement home.
• 46:47
  OK, memory care. Phone there dude.
• 46:49
  OK, OK, so I have a friend who runs, who runs a retirement
• 46:53
  facility from, you know, just I'm retired, I shouldn't say
• 46:57
  retired, but the older generation that can no longer
• 47:01
  live alone, you know, so whether it's.
• 47:03
  Assisted. Living kind of deal, right?
• 47:05
  There you go. So assisted living from don't
• 47:07
  need a lot of help all the way to holy smokes, your memory
• 47:10
  care. So he was sharing one day at
• 47:12
  Rotary about how you deal with the memory loss things.
• 47:15
  OK, so let's just paint a picture 20 years from now.
• 47:20
  I'm cuckoo, OK, I wake up in a minute.
• 47:24
  No. Well, this is this is where I'm
• 47:25
  going with this. Can I tell you because I've
• 47:28
  known you now for 60? Five years, right?
• 47:31
  Well, this is this. This is the interesting, this is
• 47:35
  the interesting thing. No, you're good, but this is the
• 47:37
  interesting thing about it. So I wake up and I'm and I'm
• 47:41
  knee deep in Alzheimer's and I think, and I think, I think it's
• 47:46
  it's 1993 and I'm going, I'm going to the Mason jar to play a
• 47:50
  show, right? That could happen, right?
• 47:53
  So, right. So legitimately that can happen.
• 47:56
  So as I'm walking around the memory care place, I'm looking
• 47:58
  for my mic stand. I'm looking for my, my, my gear
• 48:01
  for the show. And I run into a staff member.
• 48:04
  Now the staff member has two options.
• 48:07
  They can be like Chris. You're 75 years old, man.
• 48:10
  You've lost. 21. Right, whatever the case may be
• 48:14
  or or you say, you know what, Chris, let me help you find
• 48:18
  that. Remember when you hide your mic
• 48:20
  last? Well, yeah, I had it at the at
• 48:21
  the the last show. We loaded it up in my truck.
• 48:23
  Oh, well, it's probably out back in your truck.
• 48:24
  Let's let's go find your truck. So they engage in that.
• 48:31
  We'll call it a hallucination or the memory because it's not as
• 48:37
  detrimental as saying no dude, you're in memory care like that
• 48:43
  was 50 years ago. You have no idea what you're
• 48:45
  talking about. You lost your mind.
• 48:47
  There's no point. In doing that because it's not
• 48:50
  going to help that person in that situation at that moment,
• 48:54
  right? So and then it dawned on me what
• 48:56
  the story he shared was. A woman got up and, and, you
• 48:59
  know, 90 years old said she was pregnant.
• 49:05
  So you'd be like, well, that's, it's physically impossible.
• 49:08
  You're not pregnant. But they played, they played
• 49:10
  along with her being pregnant because that's where she was at
• 49:13
  the time. That's where she was in her mind
• 49:14
  and they played it out. So it was a safe thing and it
• 49:17
  was done. They've done stuff with, you
• 49:20
  know, they wake up looking for my wife while your wife passed
• 49:23
  like 10 years ago, But she's not going to tell them that because
• 49:25
  then all those emotional sorrow is going to just compounding
• 49:28
  down on that person. So well, where was she last?
• 49:31
  So they kind of they they it's it's it's it's playing into no,
• 49:36
  I the memory with agree with yes, yeah, without.
• 49:40
  And along those lines, I just read a study that or they
• 49:44
  completed a study. I just read the article that
• 49:47
  psilocybin, when even used in moderation, will prevent
• 49:52
  Alzheimer's by up to 50%. It's been proved.
• 49:54
  Yeah. Well, we've, yeah, well, we've
• 49:56
  talked. About your neural path.
• 49:58
  Yeah, we've talked about you're not going to the same route for
• 50:01
  workers. I'd never do anymore.
• 50:03
  I go there and come back different when I go to the
• 50:05
  office every time because it keeps it keeps you kind of alert
• 50:09
  and stuff. So a little thing and then just
• 50:12
  how I live my life. There's so many different
• 50:14
  things. I'll read every now and then
• 50:15
  like, oh, I do that, I do that, I do that.
• 50:16
  So you know. Just music does the same thing.
• 50:20
  True. It basically keeps your mind,
• 50:22
  well, music is one of the only activities that you're ever
• 50:24
  going to do that uses both sides of your brain at the same time.
• 50:28
  Right. Yeah #3 negative talk about the
• 50:33
  other parent. Yeah, never ever, ever agreed
• 50:36
  with that 1,000,000%. There is no other option.
• 50:39
  No, your fears are insecurities. I can see how they learned the
• 50:45
  confidence from the parent, but at the same time I don't know if
• 50:51
  I don't know if we have shared fears and insecurities.
• 50:55
  But I think you were probably vulnerable around your children,
• 50:58
  right? To to some level, you know, it's
• 51:02
  more. So than a normal parent that I
• 51:04
  would think of I would imagine. Right, right, right.
• 51:10
  Gossip about others, never gossip, never because that just
• 51:13
  it's a waste of fun. That's a big thing.
• 51:15
  That's a big thing in, in the world today, right, Because you
• 51:18
  have, you have the two faced people, you know the, the Mean
• 51:21
  Girls, right? And then just the people that
• 51:23
  that you know who they are because they're going to, if
• 51:27
  somebody talk shit to you about somebody else, then nine times
• 51:30
  out of 10, as soon as you turn around and walk away, they're
• 51:31
  going to talk shit about you to somebody else. 100% And then if
• 51:35
  you go one step further, my other favorite adorable people
• 51:38
  are the ones that say I really hate when people talk about
• 51:41
  other people and then that's all they fucking do all day long,
• 51:44
  but they don't realize it. That's how oblivious they.
• 51:46
  Are yeah. So that's one of those things,
• 51:49
  if you, if you, if, if somebody's in your life talk
• 51:51
  shit about other people, do you be mindful of fact they're doing
• 51:54
  the same thing to you when you're not around?
• 51:57
  Damn right there. Which is, which is
• 51:58
  disappointing, you know. And I'm guilty.
• 52:02
  I try so hard not to do that. So if.
• 52:05
  To be and to be honest, I don't, I don't really talk shit about
• 52:07
  anybody. I mean, I'll talk shit about my
• 52:10
  neighbors to the east, but that's usually just with Nikki,
• 52:14
  so I think most. Of the time that you and I are
• 52:17
  talking about people, it's well deserved.
• 52:20
  Right, they've done and it shouldn't.
• 52:22
  Be done. You know, now we're doing a
• 52:24
  public service announcement. Right, kind of kind of like how
• 52:26
  the public's opinion of Cam Scataboo, you know,
• 52:29
  participating in in Monday Night Raw and he's getting lit up for
• 52:32
  that. So he blasted back to them
• 52:34
  basically, if for those you don't know, Cam Scataboo is
• 52:36
  running back for the Giants, who his ankle was like this and I
• 52:39
  went like that. So he's out for the year, but
• 52:43
  he's making this immense progress.
• 52:44
  Well, the about 10 of the New York Giants showed up at Monday
• 52:47
  Night Raw. I don't know if you've seen this
• 52:48
  or not, Mike. I have not.
• 52:49
  But so, so they they play the placate, you know, the little
• 52:53
  scripted thing they come up and the rushers are giving crap to
• 52:56
  the Giants stands. We haven't run the Super Bowls
• 52:58
  in hell long. And you know, there's some
• 53:00
  pushing this stuff. And then one of the Giants
• 53:02
  players behind him launches one of the other players.
• 53:07
  And you know, it creates all this this rub because Weiss
• 53:11
  canvas Gadibou, who's on injury reserve in a in a Monday night
• 53:17
  Ross skit. Well, number 1, he was behind.
• 53:20
  He was in the crowd. He was just in the front row.
• 53:22
  He didn't really do anything but get face to face with the guy.
• 53:25
  So he didn't physically do anything that was real because
• 53:27
  then they were throwing punches and stuff, which we all know it
• 53:29
  wasn't more like a photo op. Not real.
• 53:32
  It was it was a skit. Yeah, it always was a skit.
• 53:35
  But people being people and because they can't just step
• 53:39
  back and realize it's wrestling, it's not real.
• 53:44
  Cam's like, look for those who just hating on me, go ahead and
• 53:48
  follow me. Move along with your life
• 53:49
  because. That's my attitude.
• 53:51
  I've I've done nothing in my life but play football and I
• 53:55
  have fun playing football and now I'm at a point in my life
• 53:57
  where I'm injured and I can't play football.
• 54:00
  So I'm trying to figure out what I can do to help curb that
• 54:02
  desire to have fun in his crazy little fun way he wasn't.
• 54:06
  So basically. To try to injure.
• 54:08
  No, no. So he's basically like, read
• 54:11
  between the lines, people. Yeah.
• 54:12
  If you don't like it, stop following me.
• 54:14
  You're not going to hurt my feelings and have a nice day.
• 54:17
  Right. 100% Well my life. It's, yeah.
• 54:20
  I mean, granted, he's the public, right?
• 54:22
  Right. I mean, granted, he's now a
• 54:23
  public figure. I believe me.
• 54:26
  Believe me, I know for sure. But it's still just, it's just,
• 54:30
  it's nuts, man. Let's see we the I work issues,
• 54:35
  my kids knew, understood that I what I did for a living, deep,
• 54:40
  deep work issues, you know, homes should feel peaceful, but
• 54:44
  with with what I do for a living, it's I don't have 9:00
• 54:47
  to 5:00. So they knew that when my phone
• 54:49
  rang, they had to be quiet. You know, they knew why that I
• 54:52
  had to answer my phone. But that's why I had the rule.
• 54:54
  I didn't answer after 7 on Sundays because that was family
• 54:57
  time. So they understood that they
• 54:59
  respected that. But you know, and I would still
• 55:01
  get looks, you know, as they're growing up.
• 55:03
  I'm on the phone, you know. Come on, come on, Dad.
• 55:06
  And I'd be like, I know, I know. Give me a minute.
• 55:08
  I'm fine. I trust me, you know.
• 55:10
  Kids are kids, they don't understand everything.
• 55:12
  Right, right. And but then they learn, you
• 55:15
  know. Sure.
• 55:16
  Private medical matters I don't agree with.
• 55:18
  Yeah. Private medical matters I don't
• 55:20
  agree with. I think you, I think you need to
• 55:21
  be, I think you need to be transparent with your children.
• 55:25
  If there's something medical, that's that's an issue.
• 55:28
  Like they knew when my neck was messed up.
• 55:30
  They knew when I had my issues. You know what I mean?
• 55:34
  Because if you just wake up one day and your dad and mom, mom or
• 55:37
  dad are gone because they had a health issue that you didn't
• 55:39
  share, well, where's really prep?
• 55:43
  There's just going for surgery. Yeah, Yeah.
• 55:45
  Yeah, to me, man, there's so many families that just spend so
• 55:48
  much time saying we don't talk about this, we don't talk about
• 55:52
  that, right? It's like, well, if you're
• 55:54
  taking the time to talk about it, you might be a closer
• 55:56
  family. That's all I'm going to say.
• 55:58
  I didn't raise a family, but I did grow up in a family.
• 56:02
  And the reason we're still a family is because we talked
• 56:05
  about things, right? We went through bad things
• 56:07
  together. We didn't separate from each
• 56:09
  other. Nope.
• 56:10
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 56:14
  Childhood trauma. I, I, I didn't share with my
• 56:18
  kids my childhood trauma till they were well into their adults
• 56:21
  aged. I, I told Jake about it maybe
• 56:23
  two years ago, right. Because you don't, you don't.
• 56:27
  And, and yeah, because childhood trauma is a hard thing to share,
• 56:30
  but, and everybody has to deal with their traumas and their
• 56:35
  PTSD in their own way. So I don't, I agree with that.
• 56:37
  Like, like your childhood traumas need to stay within you
• 56:40
  until you think your kids, until it's relevant to share with your
• 56:43
  kids. And if there's, you know, if
• 56:45
  there's, if there's a relevancy to it, then by all means.
• 56:48
  But don't just do it just to satisfy your own.
• 56:50
  It's that old thing, you know, where, where when you go tell
• 56:55
  somebody bad news, Are you telling somebody bad news
• 56:58
  because you want to get off your chest or because you want to
• 57:01
  shift the ownership of that bad news?
• 57:03
  Like if you're having an affair, like you've I've heard this
• 57:05
  before where, you know, husband, wife or have one of them's
• 57:08
  having an affair and then he goes and tells, you know, the
• 57:11
  wife goes, tells the husband, I've been cheating on you for 10
• 57:13
  years with, with so and so. Is she telling you that because
• 57:16
  she's tired of carrying the guilt?
• 57:18
  Or is she telling you that because she really wants to like
• 57:20
  help you understand? Hey, you know, so, yeah, that
• 57:25
  kind of that kind of stuff. I I there's a time and place for
• 57:28
  it, but it needs to be relevant to the conversation just on a
• 57:31
  random thing and and I won't go down the path how ours came up,
• 57:34
  but it did and I shared it and there you go.
• 57:36
  Inappropriate jokes or explicit content.
• 57:39
  I I agree with that. I don't because your kids are
• 57:41
  sponges and it and they're going to like the next one is angry
• 57:45
  political opinions, those two. Things you and I probably would
• 57:49
  have parted ways had I raised kids because I just feel like
• 57:54
  words are just noises that come out of your mouth.
• 57:56
  That's all the more power that I've ever given them, right?
• 57:59
  So here's how I would have handled it.
• 58:01
  Especially if you're going to grow up in a musician's
• 58:03
  household, right, right, right. Fuck is an adjective.
• 58:06
  It just is. Now I work in a.
• 58:08
  Factory No no fuck. Is an adjective.
• 58:10
  It just is. My whole life has been
• 58:12
  surrounded by people who say the word fuck all day long for So I.
• 58:18
  Wouldn't say inappropriate. I didn't.
• 58:19
  I didn't say inappropriate words.
• 58:21
  I said inappropriate jokes. There wasn't words.
• 58:23
  Saying to me, you know me, dude, I have, I have a fucking gallow
• 58:27
  sense of humor. So if you're going to live
• 58:30
  around me, I'm going to say the most inappropriate thing at the
• 58:34
  most inappropriate time because that's how I deal with
• 58:37
  especially like if someone died, I'm not the person you want
• 58:41
  around. No, because the only way I know
• 58:43
  how to deal with grief was. Laugh to laugh, right?
• 58:47
  Yeah, and that is so inappropriate to most people.
• 58:50
  But yeah, I feel like I've done the best I can to everybody
• 58:55
  while they're here. So God forbid somebody I love
• 58:58
  dies while I'm sad. I feel like I did the best I
• 59:02
  could at that point in my life, right at keeping a positive
• 59:06
  relationship, keeping in touch, letting them know that I care
• 59:09
  about them, you know, those kind of things.
• 59:11
  I don't have any regrets. We're all going to die.
• 59:14
  I'm hyper aware of that. We just, I don't know.
• 59:17
  It's so, it's so crazy how relevant a lot of things that we
• 59:20
  talk about are. I literally just had this
• 59:22
  conversation. I spend so much time by myself
• 59:26
  because I literally do not look at the world the same way as
• 59:29
  everybody else. And most people say, Oh yeah,
• 59:32
  neither do I I'm like, you have no idea how wrong you are.
• 59:36
  You have fought into society in the system.
• 59:39
  I never did. I've tried to rebel against it
• 59:42
  since day one. I participate as an actor every
• 59:46
  day but I'm hyper aware that we only give get to live once more
• 59:52
  so than probably anybody ever because most people live in
• 59:57
  their past which blows me away which is how this conversation
• 1:00:01
  came up. I'm like you have no idea what's
• 1:00:05
  what a waste of fucking time that is.
• 1:00:07
  You can't change any of that. And to steal a quote from Joe
• 1:00:12
  about drinking, you're literally everyday robbing your fucking
• 1:00:15
  future by living in these mistakes that you made that you
• 1:00:19
  can't correct. You can only go forward, right?
• 1:00:23
  Yeah, yeah. Had I given up on life and said
• 1:00:27
  because I was a drug addict, I'm always going to be a failure, I
• 1:00:30
  would have always been a failure.
• 1:00:32
  If you've had failed relationships and you're afraid
• 1:00:35
  to do another, have another relationship, you're stuck there
• 1:00:38
  too. You're going to live there
• 1:00:40
  forever. That was my point, right?
• 1:00:44
  You're robbing from every fucking day going forward, I'm
• 1:00:48
  thinking about what's our next show?
• 1:00:50
  What's our next move right? What am I going to do musically?
• 1:00:54
  What's my next schedule look like yesterday, to quote your
• 1:00:58
  however, you said that yesterday is gone.
• 1:01:00
  Yesterday doesn't understand. Yesterday is just Yesterday is
• 1:01:04
  just an illusion tackling today's quest for tomorrow's
• 1:01:07
  dreams. Yes.
• 1:01:10
  There you go. That's it, man.
• 1:01:13
  I just, I'm fascinated at how much stock people put into I'm
• 1:01:18
  going to be here tomorrow and I'm never going to say make
• 1:01:22
  those same mistakes because I'm never going to give that
• 1:01:26
  situation a chance again, whatever it may be.
• 1:01:30
  Yep. That's why people fail.
• 1:01:33
  That's why you're not Jeff Bezos.
• 1:01:35
  You want to know why Jeff Bezos is Jeff Bezos?
• 1:01:37
  Because he always thought about tomorrow.
• 1:01:40
  Yep. What?
• 1:01:41
  What are you telling? Complaints.
• 1:01:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:43
  Well, I know I I've, I've told Jake and Sky, I've, I've had
• 1:01:46
  conversations like I'm, I'm 55 years old, like, you know, I'm
• 1:01:50
  not going to be around forever, you know?
• 1:01:53
  And it's getting to that like we're watching something the
• 1:01:55
  other night and this, this, this character on Nurse Jackie.
• 1:02:00
  I don't know why it hit me. It was weird it it was hauling
• 1:02:03
  the character hauling from Northern Exposure, but he came
• 1:02:05
  into the hospital. He was basically should have
• 1:02:07
  been to Hospice and he wasn't. He didn't want to go to Hospice,
• 1:02:09
  didn't do anything. But that for whatever reason,
• 1:02:11
  that moment of that character being in the hospital bed, that
• 1:02:15
  hit me, like, fuck, you know, it's like, wow, OK.
• 1:02:19
  We're all going to die. I don't want to, I know, but I
• 1:02:22
  and I'm and you know me with that dude, we're terminally ill,
• 1:02:24
  but it's just for whatever reason, that scene with him, it
• 1:02:27
  just it hit me like I've never been hit with it before.
• 1:02:30
  Like, yeah, I don't want to be in a hospital bed when I die.
• 1:02:33
  Like just it was weird part of it because I think he was an he
• 1:02:36
  was, he was an alcoholic. He was like he was 22 years
• 1:02:39
  clean and they wanted to give him morphine.
• 1:02:40
  He's like, I'm not taking any morphine And he's, you know,
• 1:02:43
  I'm, I'm clean till the day I die.
• 1:02:44
  He's like, and the guy's like, look, man, like I understand
• 1:02:48
  that. But you, you got this much time,
• 1:02:51
  right? You know, so it's I.
• 1:02:53
  Just want to go to bed and never wake up.
• 1:02:56
  Right, that would be the best way.
• 1:02:58
  Or die while you're having sex. Both of you die at the same
• 1:03:00
  time, you know, right At climax. You both just.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah, because otherwise it's going to be super freaky for.
• 1:03:05
  The Yeah, it would be. It would be, yeah.
• 1:03:09
  That would even traumatize me. Complaints about parenting I
• 1:03:15
  we've never, we never, you know, it's we did for us.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah, exactly. Secrets that weigh heavy.
• 1:03:23
  We didn't I don't think we had any secrets legal or family
• 1:03:26
  disposed. Never had any of those.
• 1:03:28
  We never played the the comparison thing like keeping up
• 1:03:32
  with the Joneses. We didn't have that mindset.
• 1:03:34
  We never criticize teachers or friends.
• 1:03:36
  When I mean Nikki and I will have those conversations now,
• 1:03:39
  but our kids are out of the house and it's not so much
• 1:03:41
  criticizing. It's just, you know, like we
• 1:03:43
  talked about the neighbors that are assholes, right, sure
• 1:03:47
  regrets in our life. We don't really talk.
• 1:03:48
  I've I've I've I've shared with with both the kids.
• 1:03:51
  You know, if I could do things certain things different, you
• 1:03:54
  know, I would over the years because I think everybody has
• 1:03:58
  something they would do differently if looking back on
• 1:04:01
  it. But it's but it's not.
• 1:04:02
  That right there, right? You're not living in your past,
• 1:04:06
  you're just saying I was young. If I was to do this over again,
• 1:04:12
  here's how I do it. And in your case, you've
• 1:04:14
  probably done those same things differently, maybe 3 different
• 1:04:18
  times. Well, and, and to, just to, to
• 1:04:21
  point that out, the conversation I had with Jake a couple weeks
• 1:04:24
  ago, it's he's going to be 8 1/2 years in the Marines if he, if
• 1:04:26
  he decides to get out, I'm like, dude, you're 8 1/2 years in.
• 1:04:30
  That's, that's a a year and a half from a decade.
• 1:04:34
  And then it's only 11 1/2 years from a career.
• 1:04:37
  I'm like, do you really want to get out and have to start a
• 1:04:40
  career all over again with with day one and go 20 years where?
• 1:04:44
  You know what I would tell him right now to tell you how fast
• 1:04:48
  time goes. Well, I no, I told him.
• 1:04:51
  I've told him I'm like, dude, by the time you get out here, I
• 1:04:52
  just. Moved 38.
• 1:04:54
  Yeah, 38. I feel like I just moved back
• 1:04:56
  here dude and I'm 15 years into another career.
• 1:04:59
  I know that's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm trying to get
• 1:05:02
  him to understand that because of what he does in the Marines
• 1:05:05
  right now, it's it's cake. He wants to go back to drill
• 1:05:08
  instructor school and finish what he started, which I, I'm
• 1:05:10
  like all by all means go do that.
• 1:05:13
  And when he does that, by the time he finishes that, it'll be
• 1:05:16
  12 1/2 years. So it's like you might as well
• 1:05:18
  just stay because if you make Sergeant, staff Sergeant or
• 1:05:21
  gunny Sergeant, you're untouchable because you're not,
• 1:05:25
  you're just, you're the non com and nobody will touch you.
• 1:05:28
  You're just going to coast. And then I have a friend I've
• 1:05:31
  known since I was 15 that's in the Navy, that's planning his
• 1:05:33
  retirement. He's going to move back here, go
• 1:05:35
  up to Flagstaff. And so that's how it kind of the
• 1:05:37
  conversation started because he started telling me what he was
• 1:05:39
  doing. So I started picking his brain.
• 1:05:40
  How does that work with the military and whatnot?
• 1:05:43
  And it's kind of like with teachers, you, your last three
• 1:05:46
  years of whatever your pay is, that's what you get.
• 1:05:48
  So if you're making 5 grand in the in in the military and you
• 1:05:53
  go retire, you get 2500 bucks. And then Jimmy explained, you
• 1:05:56
  know the disability stuff. So you chart every little thing
• 1:05:58
  that happens to you, rightfully so because you're out there, you
• 1:06:02
  know, your body's being destroyed.
• 1:06:05
  But the, the, all the little nuances that you deal with from
• 1:06:07
  tinnitus to, you know, torn ACL, you know, ruptured all the
• 1:06:14
  things you can do right in the military because it's, it's
• 1:06:16
  unforgiving, physically demanding.
• 1:06:19
  And so you keep track of all that stuff.
• 1:06:21
  Then you can get your disability like, you know, you can make
• 1:06:23
  2500 a month from regular pension, but then another 5
• 1:06:26
  grand that's tax free from disability, from all the little
• 1:06:28
  nuances that you dealt with while you were there.
• 1:06:31
  So you're all of a sudden 7 grand at 28 years at 38 years
• 1:06:34
  old, with your entire life ahead of you?
• 1:06:36
  I can think of two people off the top of my head that I don't
• 1:06:39
  want to talk about. I'll tell you off the air, but
• 1:06:42
  both of them are one of them basically lived their whole
• 1:06:45
  life, did whatever they wanted because they did exactly what
• 1:06:48
  you're trying to advise Jake to do.
• 1:06:50
  He got a full pension out of the military, the Army, and
• 1:06:53
  specifically and the other person that I can think of, I
• 1:06:57
  went to school with and he went all the way.
• 1:07:01
  Man. He, he retired as a full
• 1:07:02
  Colonel. So look up what they make as a
• 1:07:04
  fucking pension. And he earned every penny of it,
• 1:07:07
  right? He right.
• 1:07:08
  He gave 30 some years of his life to the United States and.
• 1:07:12
  That's what I'm and so that's the advice.
• 1:07:15
  That's the thing. Hey if I go back in time some
• 1:07:16
  this is what I would have done different.
• 1:07:18
  From that level, 38 years old, he can do whatever he wants for
• 1:07:21
  the rest of his life because he's always going to have money
• 1:07:23
  rolling in exactly hard earned money.
• 1:07:26
  And that's but still, you're 38 years old, you're a young man.
• 1:07:32
  Well, in 38, when he's 38, it's going to be like 28, right?
• 1:07:36
  Because that's what I'm when I was, when I was a kid, 55, I'm
• 1:07:39
  moving into the retirement facility.
• 1:07:40
  I'm dead in 10 years. I'm 50.
• 1:07:42
  When you and I started Nemesis, we didn't trust anybody over 40.
• 1:07:45
  They were old fucking people. Yes, it's over the hill, man.
• 1:07:49
  Over the hill, man. Scott thought he was old because
• 1:07:52
  he was like 27 or 28 at the time.
• 1:07:55
  He's like over the be. Dead before the bearing goes off
• 1:07:57
  the ground, Yeah. All right, so then we got where
• 1:08:04
  are we at? We are OK.
• 1:08:05
  So, yeah. So envy or bitterness, we never
• 1:08:08
  really played that game because we never were those type of
• 1:08:11
  people, you know? But you know, a lot of Cardinals
• 1:08:13
  go back and forth. I love you.
• 1:08:15
  I don't. I hate you.
• 1:08:16
  I love you. I hate you.
• 1:08:18
  Yeah, kids see that. Yep Yep, the negative self talk
• 1:08:21
  or body shaming. There's a lot of that goes on in
• 1:08:25
  households. And then blaming them for
• 1:08:28
  stress, you know, and there's a little bit of truth to that last
• 1:08:31
  one. Like there's some stuff that
• 1:08:32
  that we dealt with that, that I didn't blame anybody.
• 1:08:37
  But you have that, that, that when you, when you had know how
• 1:08:42
  to explain it, the family member that that struggled and then
• 1:08:46
  you, you adapt your life to help that family member.
• 1:08:49
  But then you realize, OK, I just gave up this life that I was
• 1:08:51
  working for because I had to make sure that person could be
• 1:08:54
  successful. So it's not it's.
• 1:08:56
  Kind of like you had to take a time out, so to speak.
• 1:08:58
  Right, right. So it's, it's, it's not an
• 1:09:00
  intentional blame, but you still you because you're human,
• 1:09:04
  there's still a little little ounce of resentment.
• 1:09:06
  So when they do something that you don't necessarily agree
• 1:09:09
  with, that kind of stirs up that emotion.
• 1:09:10
  It's like, you know what the hell?
• 1:09:12
  Why, why, why are you doing that?
• 1:09:13
  Why you can't you just be grateful for what we did?
• 1:09:15
  Or you know what I mean? Yes, so, but and it's not and
• 1:09:19
  it, it's truly. That is the human element for
• 1:09:22
  sure. Right, right.
• 1:09:23
  So it's truly not who I am. And it's like, yeah, but but
• 1:09:25
  that's part of that dynamic that.
• 1:09:28
  I think a lot of times people forget that as a human being,
• 1:09:31
  we're an animal as well, right? We're a mammal.
• 1:09:34
  So we still have an animal instinct.
• 1:09:36
  We still have that DNA in our coding, right?
• 1:09:39
  Right. Chris knows I'm such a nerd that
• 1:09:41
  I've researched this stuff down to the nub, right, to the point
• 1:09:45
  of why people do what they do. And that's it.
• 1:09:47
  He just described. That's not who I am.
• 1:09:50
  But you can't sometimes you have to understand, you can't stop
• 1:09:55
  those emotions. And I have ways that I deal with
• 1:09:57
  them, right? I'm crank my guitar up to 11 and
• 1:09:59
  jam for an hour. Instead, most people let those
• 1:10:05
  things fester and build up and then their kids suffer because
• 1:10:08
  of it. I think that's where that
• 1:10:09
  statement comes from. Instead, you were like, time
• 1:10:13
  out. I love this person.
• 1:10:15
  What am I going to do to dissuade these emotions?
• 1:10:19
  And in your case, I'm sure at the time you went and fucking
• 1:10:22
  ran. Right, right.
• 1:10:26
  But that's yeah. So that's the thing that she
• 1:10:27
  just, you know, don't we're all human.
• 1:10:30
  So just recognize the human aspect of your life and and, you
• 1:10:34
  know, roll with it because, you know, you nobody supposed to be
• 1:10:37
  perfect. And that's the biggest problem I
• 1:10:38
  think a lot of people have. They just they think you have to
• 1:10:40
  be perfect as a parent and you don't you're not raising perfect
• 1:10:43
  children. You're raising children, you're
• 1:10:45
  raising damaged goods because nobody's flawless, right?
• 1:10:49
  Nobody's perfect and the P And if you try to raise a perfect
• 1:10:51
  child, you're going to do the complete opposite.
• 1:10:53
  And they're going to rebel against that and go down dark
• 1:10:55
  paths because nobody can be perfect.
• 1:10:58
  You have to let them kind of be. And we've learned a lot with and
• 1:11:02
  hanging out now with tripping Anthony.
• 1:11:03
  It's it's a weird the dynamic of approaching of things with them.
• 1:11:08
  And then you start watching Skyler and how she's a mother
• 1:11:11
  and how she's a wife and you, we see things that she picked up
• 1:11:16
  from watching us. And we have that rarity
• 1:11:19
  nowadays, right? Because you can't, it's hard to
• 1:11:21
  find somebody to spend together as long as we have, especially
• 1:11:23
  with me going through alcoholism for a while and and then dealing
• 1:11:26
  and dealing with the family struggle we had for a while.
• 1:11:28
  Because those things can, can tear people apart because we've
• 1:11:31
  seen it. I'm like, we've, we've seen
• 1:11:32
  that. You see it all the time.
• 1:11:34
  It's easier to play the blame game and walk away and start
• 1:11:37
  over and hit reset than it is to just suck it up and fucking deal
• 1:11:42
  with it and create a stronger, deeper bond with your spouse
• 1:11:48
  because you went through that together.
• 1:11:50
  There's so few people willing to put forth that kind of effort
• 1:11:54
  nowadays. Though, right?
• 1:11:55
  It is because that's why we're talking to Steph Conger.
• 1:11:57
  Remember, it's two years, the, the, the happiness of the
• 1:12:00
  relationship starts fading away and, and two years in one day.
• 1:12:03
  And the average marriage is 3 1/2 years because they spend the
• 1:12:05
  next 18 months either trying to figure it out or argue with each
• 1:12:08
  other. So they hit that 18th month and
• 1:12:10
  which is a 3 1/2 year mark. And like, I'm out, I'm just
• 1:12:12
  done. I can't do it anymore.
• 1:12:14
  And but that's the vicious cycle that you see now.
• 1:12:16
  And more and more people are doing that instead of just
• 1:12:19
  stepping back and, and you know, hey, let's work through this.
• 1:12:22
  Let's build something that's going to last.
• 1:12:24
  Or, and here's a crazy idea, let's just talk every day so
• 1:12:28
  that we don't ever get to that point, right?
• 1:12:30
  Mm. Hmm, so many people just don't
• 1:12:32
  talk. Nope, Nope.
• 1:12:34
  I have go ahead, go ahead. No, go ahead.
• 1:12:36
  No, no, no, no, no, no go. Ahead, I have friends who talk
• 1:12:40
  to me independently of each other, right?
• 1:12:42
  Right. Right.
• 1:12:43
  Both of them know that. Well, not both of them, but I
• 1:12:47
  have many. I actually have several sets of
• 1:12:50
  friends that I know both couples, Right?
• 1:12:53
  Right. And the amount of things that
• 1:12:55
  they don't talk about together without giving away any of their
• 1:12:59
  secrets just fucking fascinates me, right?
• 1:13:02
  Yeah. It doesn't make me want to stay
• 1:13:04
  single. It makes me understand why I'm
• 1:13:06
  single because I am. So we've discussed this.
• 1:13:10
  I'm so different than everybody else that I'm not going to spend
• 1:13:13
  time arguing about fucking nonsense, right?
• 1:13:17
  We're either a united front and we're together against the
• 1:13:20
  world. And what I mean by that is we're
• 1:13:23
  going to work out our shit first and then worry about anything.
• 1:13:27
  An outside influence, right? And that's the approach there
• 1:13:29
  should be, and that's the approach that we took as we
• 1:13:31
  raised our kids. It was.
• 1:13:33
  Which in my opinion, is why you guys were successful.
• 1:13:36
  Probably and same with your parents.
• 1:13:37
  Yes, same thing. It's the people that, that write
• 1:13:39
  it out and, and goes and, and again, and I've said this
• 1:13:44
  before, like Nikki and I are very unique in the fact we, we,
• 1:13:46
  we've had really one bad year of the entire time we were
• 1:13:50
  together. And it's because of my drinking.
• 1:13:52
  And I may have been two years, but I don't, I don't really
• 1:13:54
  remember, you know, if it was 1224 months of that.
• 1:13:59
  But aside from that, we never really argue.
• 1:14:01
  We have disagreements. Yeah, we don't.
• 1:14:03
  We don't yell at each other. We've never really.
• 1:14:05
  That's all. Except for the except for the
• 1:14:07
  one time, except for the one time which the next day I woke
• 1:14:10
  up, something's got changed. That's when I stopped drinking.
• 1:14:12
  But I recognized it. Sure.
• 1:14:15
  And there was an outside influence.
• 1:14:16
  That's not you. You're not a violent.
• 1:14:18
  Person, right? And, and I was never violent as
• 1:14:21
  an alcoholic. I was functional.
• 1:14:22
  I did my job. I, I, you know, but so if you
• 1:14:26
  take, if you take a relationship on a whole, we had one real
• 1:14:29
  rocky year because of my drinking.
• 1:14:31
  We had another little rocky year when her brother died and there
• 1:14:33
  was a little bit of guilt there, I think because he wanted to
• 1:14:35
  come live with us. And she didn't think it was
• 1:14:39
  right to have him come live with us because of just, you know, he
• 1:14:41
  was a party animal and stuff. And I had, I had stopped
• 1:14:44
  drinking by then. And, you know, and then
• 1:14:47
  unfortunately within I think a month, he ended up passing away
• 1:14:50
  from just terrible, tragic single car accident type thing.
• 1:14:56
  So I think she carried guilt with that for about a year
• 1:14:58
  because, you know, why wouldn't you?
• 1:15:00
  I mean, it's human nature. I told him, no, he can't come
• 1:15:02
  and now he's dead. Not her fault she couldn't
• 1:15:04
  control the circumstances around it.
• 1:15:06
  He had, she had actually nothing to do with how he passed away.
• 1:15:08
  He never even expressed bitterness because of that.
• 1:15:11
  It's just it wasn't the right time in her eyes to allow that
• 1:15:14
  to happen. And I respect that.
• 1:15:17
  But I think she carried guilt with her for a year with that.
• 1:15:19
  So that was, it wasn't a bad year, but it she was just off
• 1:15:22
  that whole year and you could just tell there was there was
• 1:15:24
  sorrow and pain and and Nikki's not one to really talk about
• 1:15:29
  things. So it's you got to kind of pull
• 1:15:30
  stuff out of her and if she wants to talk, she will.
• 1:15:32
  If she doesn't, you don't, and you respect that.
• 1:15:34
  Because you just do, right? We probably have a lot of that
• 1:15:37
  in common. Like, yeah.
• 1:15:38
  So I don't think you need to know.
• 1:15:39
  I'm probably not going to tell. You right.
• 1:15:41
  So it's one of those things that that you just step back and love
• 1:15:45
  them. Yeah.
• 1:15:46
  You know I'm here, you know. But that's what you're willing
• 1:15:49
  to do instead of, you know, if you don't want to talk about it,
• 1:15:52
  then don't be over there sulking or, you know, yes, now you're
• 1:15:55
  now you're just compounding her problem, right?
• 1:15:57
  Because you're talking to an introvert and now you're telling
• 1:16:01
  them that either there's nothing wrong or you're going to talk
• 1:16:04
  about it, which is impossible for them at the time.
• 1:16:06
  Yep. Agreed.
• 1:16:08
  I don't. It just fascinates me why it's
• 1:16:10
  so hard for people who claim to love each other to not put forth
• 1:16:15
  the effort that you just described.
• 1:16:18
  Right. You took the time to understand
• 1:16:21
  this is how that person is. That's what you have to do.
• 1:16:24
  You have to be willing. You didn't understand overnight
• 1:16:26
  that she was introverted and at that was moments in time.
• 1:16:29
  She's not willing to talk about certain things.
• 1:16:32
  Yeah. It took time for you to say, OK,
• 1:16:35
  scratch my head. Well, it happened again.
• 1:16:38
  OK, I guess I'll just sit back and wait for her to come to me,
• 1:16:41
  right? Yep, Yep.
• 1:16:45
  And that's the thing. You just don't.
• 1:16:46
  You don't know so, and the communication is communication.
• 1:16:51
  Communication is completely necessary.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah, you got to talk to people. Otherwise the flux capacitor in
• 1:16:57
  the whole thing just goes down the tubes.
• 1:16:59
  Yep, it's that simple. Just talk to people.
• 1:17:01
  So we're going to wrap this up because I got to pee really bad.
• 1:17:05
  That's a good time to wrap it. Up and I'm sure you got to go.
• 1:17:08
  It's, you know. I'm hungry.
• 1:17:10
  Go eat some food. Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:12
  And so, you know, as as we do with always, if you're feeling
• 1:17:15
  sad, depressed, suicidal, don't do it.
• 1:17:18
  You know, go scream in a pillow. Go journal, go write, go run.
• 1:17:22
  Go work out. Go do something to change your
• 1:17:23
  mindset. If you can't find somebody to
• 1:17:25
  talk to, text 988. Everybody is sitting there
• 1:17:28
  waiting to help you get talk you off that Cliff, off that Cliff,
• 1:17:31
  off that ledge. Tomorrow's a better day because
• 1:17:34
  you're in it. Someone does love you and they
• 1:17:36
  will miss you. So don't be that person that
• 1:17:37
  leaves a hole in somebody else's heart.
• 1:17:39
  He's he's Mike. I'm Chris.
• 1:17:41
  This is the Chris and Mike show. And thank you for allowing us to
• 1:17:43
  spend time with you today because we know your time is
• 1:17:46
  valuable. We appreciate your presence.
• 1:17:47
  All 29 countries of you. Yes, we do.
• 1:17:50
  Thank you so much for tuning in. We love you all.
• 1:17:54
  We love you all. Yeah, God bless you.
• 1:17:56
  We love you all. Peace out everybody.
• 1:18:00
  Love you brother. Love you too man.
• 1:18:02
  Let's see you peace.