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“Trump's Covid Joyride.” · Pod Save America

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling anybody but you, but I'm about to
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  Speaker 1: make a little surprise visit.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 2: On today's pod, Tommy talks to Senate Judiciary Committee member
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  Speaker 2: Cory Booker about the Amy Coney Barrett hearings and his
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  Speaker 2: Republican super spreader colleagues. Before that, we'll talk about the
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  Speaker 2: super spreader-in-chief. And how he's handling his COVID diagnosis, all
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  Speaker 2: the ways he knowingly put others at risk, and how
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  Speaker 2: all of this might change the last 29 days of
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  Speaker 2: this campaign.
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  Speaker 3: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit is right. Lovett, anything interesting to point out
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  Speaker 2: from Love It or Leave It this weekend?
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  Speaker 3: Great Love It or Leave It.
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  Speaker 4: Talked to Jamie Harrison in South Carolina. He had a
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  Speaker 4: blank expression when I said the worst things I could
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  Speaker 4: say about Lindsey Graham possible.
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  Speaker 3: Talked to Langston Kerman, who was hilarious. Adam Davidson. We
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  Speaker 3: talked about Trump's taxes.
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  Speaker 4: And then we did a little update on, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Kim Jong-il with COVID.
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  Speaker 2: The tax story was last Monday. It was a week
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  Speaker 2: ago today. How fucking nuts is that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really changed the race. Yeah, it really did. Blockbuster.
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  Speaker 2: One quick housekeeping note before we start. There is still
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  Speaker 2: a vice presidential debate currently scheduled between Mike Pence and
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris on Wednesday, October 7th at 9 p.m. Eastern,
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  Speaker 2: 6 p.m. Pacific. We will be doing more live analysis
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  Speaker 2: on our group thread with the whole Crooked Media family,
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  Speaker 2: and we'd love for all of you to follow along
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  Speaker 2: at crooked.com slash debate. All right, let's get to the news.
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  Speaker 2: The president is a very sick man. He also has COVID,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't know how severe his case is because
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  Speaker 2: his staff and even his doctor keep lying to us.
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  Speaker 2: On Friday, they told us that Trump was fatigued, experiencing
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  Speaker 2: mild symptoms. and didn't require any supplemental oxygen. On Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told reporters, quote,
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  Speaker 2: the president's vitals over the last 24 hours were very
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  Speaker 2: concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in
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  Speaker 2: terms of his care. We're still not on a clear
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  Speaker 2: path to a full recovery. By Sunday, the president's doctor,
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  Speaker 2: Sean Conley, admitted that he had misled the public and
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  Speaker 2: that on Friday, the president not only had a high fever,
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  Speaker 2: but low oxygen levels, which did in fact require supplemental oxygen.
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  Speaker 2: Here was Dr. Conley's explanation for his failure to tell
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  Speaker 2: the truth.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to reflect the upbeat attitude that the team,
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  Speaker 1: the president, that his course of illness has had. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to give any information that might steer the
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  Speaker 1: course of illness in another direction. And in doing so,
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  Speaker 1: it came off that we were trying to hide something,
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  Speaker 1: which wasn't necessarily true.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't necessarily true. I have to tell you, this
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  Speaker 4: doctor has never tried to conceal a president's illness during
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  Speaker 4: a global pandemic.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, it shows. Not necessarily true is so funny.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't necessarily lying.
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  Speaker 2: The most deadly thing you can do when you have
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  Speaker 2: COVID is tell the truth. It will steer the whole
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  Speaker 2: illness in the wrong direction.
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  Speaker 5: Love it.
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  Speaker 2: What the hell did he mean by that? What was
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  Speaker 2: he trying to say there?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think what he was trying to say, I
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  Speaker 4: honestly think everybody got a little bit over-torked. What he
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  Speaker 4: was trying to say is, I didn't want to steer
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  Speaker 4: the interpretation of what I was saying in a negative direction.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he was sincerely offering his medical advice
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  Speaker 4: that bad words make COVID worse.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he was doing that, but he was-
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  Speaker 3: The White House communications director repeated the same exact line
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  Speaker 3: later in an interview. Yeah, I mean- I think they're
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  Speaker 3: all pretty dumb.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think the doctor, I think, look, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: excusing him. What I'm saying is he is trying to
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  Speaker 4: explain the fact that he tried to yada, yada, yada,
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  Speaker 4: the president having oxygen on Friday without surrendering his medical license.
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  Speaker 4: So look, whatever the other Trump people say around him
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  Speaker 4: is different. And obviously they've made he's overcome the virus
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  Speaker 4: like a central part of their message.
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  Speaker 3: Like, okay, fine.
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  Speaker 4: But for this doctor specifically, I think he was trying
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  Speaker 4: to save his reputation while trying to explain why he
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  Speaker 4: got a little too close to Trump. He looked Trump
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  Speaker 4: attracts weak people. He and he Trump got his claws
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  Speaker 4: into this guy, sent him out there and he was
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  Speaker 4: afraid to tell the truth. And he went too far,
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  Speaker 4: well beyond, you know, the ordinary spin that's been actually
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  Speaker 4: quite common in kind of denying the severity of the
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  Speaker 4: illnesses of presidents.
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  Speaker 2: He lied to keep Trump happy. I mean, that was
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing. And basically, that's what, Tommy, what the
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  Speaker 2: White House was saying, too, is that he lied so
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  Speaker 2: that Donald Trump could keep Trump's spirits up and so
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  Speaker 2: that the American people could pretend that Trump's spirits were up. Like,
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  Speaker 2: everything's fine here. Nothing wrong. Nothing to see here. We're
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  Speaker 2: all doing good.
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  Speaker 3: Which I still think is just laughable spin. You guys
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  Speaker 3: are lying because Trump thinks it will help him politically
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  Speaker 3: if you lie. That's what really happened.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 4: I actually, honestly, I think it's even dumber than that.
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  Speaker 4: It's his ego can't handle the fact that he's very
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  Speaker 4: sick because he's been lying about the disease for the
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  Speaker 4: better part of a year. It's like, I don't even
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  Speaker 4: think we get into politics. He's embarrassed that he got COVID.
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  Speaker 2: He's embarrassed that he got COVID. Tommy, what do we
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  Speaker 2: know and what don't we know about how serious the
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  Speaker 2: president's condition is right now? I should also note that
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  Speaker 2: we are recording this Oh, here we go. Okay, we
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  Speaker 2: just got an update. Donald Trump tweeted, I will be
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  Speaker 2: leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: Feeling really good. Don't be afraid of COVID. Don't let
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  Speaker 2: it dominate your life. Oh my God. We have developed
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  Speaker 2: under the Trump administration some really great drugs and knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: I feel better than I did 20 years ago. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Go to your original answer. That really doesn't change the
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  Speaker 2: answer much. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what we know, right? We know he had a fever,
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  Speaker 3: but they won't tell us how high. We know that
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  Speaker 3: his oxygen dropped to dangerous levels, but they won't tell
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  Speaker 3: us exactly how low. We know that he had lung scans,
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  Speaker 3: but the only thing they would tell us about that
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  Speaker 3: was there were some expected findings, expected how they wouldn't clarify.
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  Speaker 3: We know that they were worried about all of this
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  Speaker 3: enough to take him to Walter Reed. And then in
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  Speaker 3: terms of drugs, He's taking something called dexamethasone, which is
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  Speaker 3: a steroid typically used to treat severely ill COVID patients
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  Speaker 3: who have been often intubated or are getting oxygen. He's
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  Speaker 3: also taking an experimental antibody treatment. He's taking a five-day
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  Speaker 3: course of the antiviral drug remdesivir. So he's taking a
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  Speaker 3: lot of stuff. Some of them have side effects. The
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  Speaker 3: steroid can include side effects like confusion, delirium, mania, all
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  Speaker 3: things you probably don't want your president to have. Please note,
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  Speaker 3: he's not taking hydroxychloroquine despite months of spewing bullshit about
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  Speaker 3: all of this. Uh, we know he's obese, we know
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  Speaker 3: he's 74 and that's all very bad. And so, I mean, the,
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  Speaker 3: the idea also, let's just stop pretending that we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about a patient being released from a hospital the way
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  Speaker 3: one of us would be. He's being released from one
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  Speaker 3: facility to another facility that has a full white house
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  Speaker 3: medical unit and hospital wing in it. He's not, he's
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  Speaker 3: just going from one hospital to another.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to like, Donald Trump's spin on COVID
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  Speaker 2: is now that COVID is like the fountain of youth.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You get COVID, you go to the hospital, and you
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  Speaker 2: feel better than you did 20 years ago. Go get
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  Speaker 2: yourself some COVID if you want to feel young and
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  Speaker 2: energetic again. That's the president's new message. Cool.
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  Speaker 4: How will we know if he is experiencing unusual delirium, mania, anxiety?
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know. How do you tell?
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  Speaker 3: How do you tell?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I thought it was interesting in the New
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  Speaker 2: York Times piece that they said there's like a name
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  Speaker 2: for demanding of your doctors all kinds of treatments. It's
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  Speaker 2: called the VIP syndrome, where the doctors might not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: recommend a bunch of treatments, but because you're so important
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  Speaker 2: and they don't know how to say no to you,
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  Speaker 2: which is certainly the case with the President of the
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  Speaker 2: United States, they're just giving him all these experimental treatments
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  Speaker 2: anyway because he's demanding them. which to me seemed like
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  Speaker 2: exactly what has happened here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, also, yeah, these aren't also like time tested techniques where,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's a manual that goes back decades explaining
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  Speaker 3: how exactly to treat COVID. It's a brand new illness
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  Speaker 3: and they're just stuffing his old unhealthy ass full of
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  Speaker 3: every drug they can think of. Like that's not necessarily
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  Speaker 3: a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, it doesn't sound like it. And he's certainly
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  Speaker 2: not out of the woods just yet, even though he's
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  Speaker 2: going back to the white house right now. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: that seems troubling. Um, So no matter how sick he
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  Speaker 2: may be, Trump, of course, wants us to think he's
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  Speaker 2: fine because he's terrified of appearing weak. He released pictures
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  Speaker 2: of himself supposedly working at Walter Reed, in which he
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  Speaker 2: appeared to be signing his name in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: a blank sheet of paper. He filmed a couple of rambling, semi-coherent,
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  Speaker 2: hostage-looking videos. In one of them, he said, I learned
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  Speaker 2: a lot about COVID. I learned it by really going
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  Speaker 2: to school. This is the real school. This isn't the
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  Speaker 2: let's read the book school. And I get it. And
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  Speaker 2: I understand it. And it's a very interesting thing. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be letting you know about it. Trump
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  Speaker 2: then made a few Secret Service agents get in an
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  Speaker 2: armored vehicle with him so that he could stage a
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  Speaker 2: photo op outside the hospital where he waved to a
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  Speaker 2: few of his cheering supporters from inside his SUV.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, maybe it took me a long time, but I
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  Speaker 4: finally understand COVID. Now, fellas, get in this enclosed space.
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  Speaker 4: We're going for a drive.
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  Speaker 2: Tommy, how do you think, like, compare Trump's vision of
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  Speaker 2: how this stunt would go with the reality of the
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  Speaker 2: public reaction? Like, I would love to know the thought
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  Speaker 2: bubble of how Trump thought this was going to go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in his head, it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the allies liberating Paris. And in reality, it was like,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of Proud Boys and some QAnon fans really
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  Speaker 3: confused about the weird slow funeral procession going by them
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  Speaker 3: with all-black SUVs. I mean, it made me think. of
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  Speaker 3: the photo of George W. Bush looking out of Air
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  Speaker 3: Force One while they were flying over New Orleans right
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  Speaker 3: after Hurricane Katrina. And obviously, we're partisan hacks here. But
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  Speaker 3: to me, it showed someone who was out of touch,
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  Speaker 3: who refuses to learn or be responsible no matter what happens.
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  Speaker 3: And I contrast that with the time Obama gave a
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  Speaker 3: hug to a nurse who just recovered from Ebola. in
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  Speaker 3: an effort to destigmatize it. And so I'm really glad
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  Speaker 3: that the discussion around this photo op immediately focused on
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: the fact that he put these Secret Service agents at
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  Speaker 3: risk so they could chauffeur him for this trip around
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  Speaker 3: the block. Because I do think that's also like the
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  Speaker 3: perfect anecdote that tells a bigger story about this White House.
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  Speaker 3: Their irresponsible behavior, including refusing to wear masks, it has
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  Speaker 3: gotten White House staffers, reporters, U.S. senators sick. And that
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  Speaker 3: all comes from the top. Like Trump is known to
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  Speaker 3: mock mask usage. He does it in meetings reportedly. He
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  Speaker 3: once accused a reporter, Jeff Mason, of being politically correct
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  Speaker 3: because Jeff didn't want to take his mask off at
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  Speaker 3: a White House press conference. And so the politics are
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  Speaker 3: quite clear on this. 75% of the country supports mask usage.
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  Speaker 3: They want the government and the people running it to
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  Speaker 3: be responsible. The White House is totally on the wrong
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  Speaker 3: side of the issue. This image cemented that. He's obsessed
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  Speaker 3: with looking strong, right? That's why his favorite adverb is strongly.
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  Speaker 3: Everything is strongly. I'm looking at this executive order very strongly.
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  Speaker 3: It makes zero sense half the time. He's terrified of
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  Speaker 3: looking weak, but right now what he looks is irresponsible.
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  Speaker 3: Unlike someone who doesn't understand how to deal with a
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  Speaker 3: pandemic facing the nation. And I think it was a very,
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  Speaker 3: very big mistake. Love it.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think of the COVID joyride so he
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  Speaker 2: could wave to his proud boys? It really gives new
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: meaning to stand back and stand by, huh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was, yeah, I mean, look, like what's left to say?
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  Speaker 4: It's like how the man is in the hospital with
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  Speaker 4: what is apparently a severe case of COVID-19. And even
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  Speaker 4: inside of his own convalescence, he found a way to
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: be the worst human being we have ever had in
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  Speaker 4: this job.
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  Speaker 3: That is extraordinary. You have to work hard. That is
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  Speaker 3: a fucking detour.
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  Speaker 4: Like, you know, metaphorically and also practically, you have to
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  Speaker 4: really be creative. to think about this. The look in
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  Speaker 4: that Secret Service agent's eyes in that front seat, this like,
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  Speaker 4: that like dead expression, like this motherfucker waving at the
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  Speaker 4: biggest assholes in politics because his ego needed a boost
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  Speaker 4: because he was bored. New York Times, there was a
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  Speaker 4: sentence in the New York Times sort of TikTok of
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  Speaker 4: all this that said, Trump is in the hospital watching
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: more TV than usual. And I like stared at it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this was, The president put Secret Service agents
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  Speaker 4: at risk because he was bored.
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  Speaker 3: There's no grand political strategy there. There's no there's no
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  Speaker 3: thought behind how it helps him politically. Not really. He
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  Speaker 3: is fucking bored.
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  Speaker 4: And he didn't like seeing Mark Meadows telling everybody after Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Everything's OK got done with his briefing saying I'm treating Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Happy truck over there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I gave him a couple of pez. He's
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  Speaker 3: happy in there. You know, a couple a couple couple lollipops.
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  Speaker 3: I gave him a shot in the lollipop. Kid's doing OK.
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  Speaker 3: And Mark Meadows is like, he's actually quite ill. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what's happening. So, yeah, he was pissed and
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to go for a car ride because he's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, We know. We know what he is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was like so the attending one of the
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  Speaker 2: attending physicians at Walter Reed, James Phillips, like tweeted as
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  Speaker 2: this happened and was just appalled, as most physicians I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure were, that he was putting the lives of these
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  Speaker 2: Secret Service agents in danger because they were in a
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: hermetically sealed car together. And even with masks, that's still dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: But Phillips also gave an interview afterwards with NBC where
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  Speaker 2: he says it's not just that he's putting people's lives
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  Speaker 2: at risk or that's horrible. He's sending a message to
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  Speaker 2: other people who are sick that it's OK to go out,
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: which is, of course, the other big problem with the
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  Speaker 2: entire way that Trump has handled this pandemic and what
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  Speaker 2: he just told people in that fucking tweet. Don't be afraid.
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  Speaker 2: Don't be afraid of this deadly fucking virus. Just go
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  Speaker 2: live your lives. Two hundred thousand people are dead.
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  Speaker 3: We're still, I think.
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  Speaker 4: His, uh, that obscene, that obscene tweet, I think is
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  Speaker 4: still kind of washing over us because we're mid pod, but.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, usually we have time to think about these things.
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  Speaker 4: He says he gets it. Of course he doesn't get it.
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  Speaker 4: Anyone who thought he was going to get it or
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  Speaker 4: change is, um, very dumb, but, uh, uh, You would
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  Speaker 4: think that he would understand that the reality of the
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  Speaker 4: pandemic and his own political fortunes are kind of tied.
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  Speaker 4: Like if he would say something along the lines of,
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: this is yet another reminder. He could look, it would
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: be hypocritical. It would be bullshit, but it would be
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: at least positive for the country. If the president said,
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: this is a reminder to take it seriously. We obviously
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: need to wear masks and do social distancing. It's what's
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: good for the country. It'll keep you safe. It'll keep
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: your community safe. And I hope that that is a
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  Speaker 4: lesson we all take. Instead, he's like, you know, it's
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: Mardi Gras, baby. I've never felt better. I'm glad I
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  Speaker 4: got it.
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  Speaker 2: You should get it too. I mean, he could have, like,
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  Speaker 2: he could have, short of saying, like, I was wrong,
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  Speaker 2: which he would never say in a million years, short
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  Speaker 2: of saying, I didn't take this seriously enough. He could
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  Speaker 2: have done things like called COVID patients while in the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: He could have made this about frontline workers. He could
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  Speaker 2: have said, I'm receiving the best care in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone deserves this kind of care. Like, there's a million
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  Speaker 2: ways he could have projected that he was okay and
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  Speaker 2: still doing his job to the public and to the world,
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  Speaker 2: which he clearly wanted to do without looking like a
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  Speaker 2: fucking buffoon who was putting people's lives at risk.
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  Speaker 3: No, instead he blamed the troops. I don't think, I
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: don't know that a lot of people notice this.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That first Sean Hannity interview he did between Hope Hicks'
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  Speaker 3: diagnosis and his, he basically blamed airmen, Marines, and police
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  Speaker 3: officers for her getting sick because he said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard when they want to come forward and give
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  Speaker 3: you a hug and talk to you. You know, it's
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: hard to tell him to stand back. No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: You have Secret Service detail. Like, it's very easy. He
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  Speaker 3: has done everything wrong at every turn.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, by the way, Hope Hicks, they
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  Speaker 4: spent like 24 hours being like, ah, Hope gave it
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: to Trump.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: There is no evidence of that at this point. We
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: have absolutely no idea. They put her out. They sent
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: her to the wolves.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Well, I mean, speaking of that, it wasn't
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: just the Secret Service agents that Trump put at risk
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: of contracting COVID. We now know that over the last
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: few weeks, the president, his staff, and senior members of
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: his party may have exposed hundreds of people to the virus,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: sometimes knowingly. We know that the September 26th Rose Garden
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: ceremony to nominate Amy Coney Barrett was actually a super
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: spreader event with at least eight positive cases. We know
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: that Trump was likely infectious at the debate where his
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: staff and family refused to follow protocol and wear masks.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: We know that after learning he'd been exposed to a
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: COVID positive Hope Hicks, Trump chose to go mingle with
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: more than 100 people at an indoor fundraiser in New
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Jersey that included a fucking buffet. The list of COVID
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: cases connected to Trump so far includes the First Lady,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Hope Hicks, essential worker Kayleigh McEnany, campaign manager Bill Stepien,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: personal aide Nick Luna, Kellyanne Conway, Chris Christie, who's now hospitalized,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Ronna McDaniel, Senator Mike Lee, Senator Tom Tillis, Senator Ron Johnson,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame President John Jenkins, a couple White House press staffers,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: couple White House reporters, multiple Cleveland debate staff, now a
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: few housekeeping staff at the White House itself. Like, what
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the fuck were these people all thinking? What were they thinking, Tommy?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: They thought that they could use rapid testing alone to
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: stay safe. And that was catastrophically wrong. I mean, you
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: can be infectious for days before the amount of virus
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: in your body registers positive on one of these rapid tests.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: And there's also data that shows at least early iterations
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: of the Abbott rapid tests were very inaccurate. The NYU
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: did a study in May And they found it could
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: be missing a third to almost half of positive cases.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: So what works? Social distancing, wearing masks, not shaking hands,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: not close talking with Chris Christie. They refused to do
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: any of this. So I feel a little bit bad
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: for the non-White House staffers who went to this White
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: House event and thought that maybe they had protocols in
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: place for keeping them safe. But having 150 people mix
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: and mingle right now is criminal negligence. And having a
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: VIP clutch for your Supreme Court nominee inside the White
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: House before the outside event is even worse. And now
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: we're seeing the results. And I think what people might
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: not totally get is just how small the West wing is.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Like my first office, the lower press office was right
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: behind the podium where the press secretary briefs. It is
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: like 200, 300 square feet. Maybe it's tiny, tiny, tiny.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: We had seven or eight people in there and the
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: press corps and countless others walk in and out freely
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: all day long. My second office was a windowless basement.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: The place is a Petri dish. All of them are
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: going to get it if they've been around people like
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Kayleigh McEnany and these other super spreaders like Trump. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: so they are it is criminal negligence, in my opinion.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Someone's going to die because of this.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, I mean, I do
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: think there's a difference here between carelessness and recklessness. Right.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Not taking the proper precautions.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, like Tommy said, the rapid tests are perfect.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: But if you had like rapid tests plus masks, plus
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: social distancing, plus being outside. then it is good, right?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Then you test everyone, but you know that the tests
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: aren't a hundred percent. So you take all these extra precautions.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: These people, I mean, these people were inside, they were mingling,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: they were hugging, right? Like all these problems, but there's a,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: still a difference between that, between not taking precautions. And
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: then what Trump was doing, which is he, he told
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: an advisor, according to the wall street journal, don't tell
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: anyone about their positive test. He knew he was exposed
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to hope X and that hope was positive. and yet
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: still chose to go to New Jersey and mingle with
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people after he knew he was exposed.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And he lied on Hannity when he didn't mention to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Hannity that he already tested positive and was waiting for
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a second positive test to confirm. So it goes beyond
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: recklessness that he was actually actively put, he knew he
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: was putting people in jeopardy.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, we also still at this moment
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: do not know when Donald Trump's last negative test was.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: We don't know when he last took a negative test.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: And that's really important. It's a national security question. It's
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: a public health question. It's a judgment, leadership, temperament question.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: It's an incredibly important question because we don't know if
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: he was even tested before he went to the debate.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: The White House is engaged in a cover-up even at
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: this moment. Right before we found out Kayleigh McEnany herself
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: had come back positive with COVID-19, she was walking back
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: with the White House had previously said, the White House
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: had said, we're going to tell you how many people
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: at the White House have COVID. But they now won't
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: do that. They're saying it's because of privacy concerns. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: don't know why the number 37 suddenly has privacy concerns.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: It doesn't really make any sense. They're afraid to tell
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the truth. They're afraid to tell just how reckless and
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: careless they were. On top of that, yes. Look, Ron Johnson,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: exposed to COVID, takes a test, then does an event,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: then finds out he has it. That is what Kayleigh
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: McEnany has done. That is what a lot of these
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: people have done. They have brazenly, and I don't think
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: they deserve the benefit of the doubt. There is way
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: too much information that tells us over and over again.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Their own advisors have told them this over and over again.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: We need a testing regime because it protects us on
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: masks over time. But a single test doesn't mean you
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: don't have it. That has been clear for a long time.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Rapid testing is not a permission slip. A negative test
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: does not mean you get to go in front of
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: the press and take off your mask.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm sitting here. I'm still worried about Joe Biden.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I'm very, very relieved.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Thank God we are now almost a week away from
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: his exposure to Donald Trump's super spreader. And he has
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: come back negative again and again. But it sometimes takes
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: days for a test to show up positive. and to
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: have enough COVID in your system to start showing up positive.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: So these people were worse than irresponsible. They were genuinely,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: they showed a complete disregard for the lives of anyone
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: around them, honestly, including themselves.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I do feel much better, by the way, on the
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Biden question. that he got a negative test yesterday on Sunday.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Because that is now five or six days and the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: vast majority of people would show, or the COVID would
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: show up five or six days in. The first test
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: he got, the first test he got was like, meh.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But the second one.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Was much worse.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: The curve is dropping. The likelihood is dropping. It's very,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: very good. But these assholes should have learned their lesson
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: when frigging Rand Paul got tested and went for a
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: swim in the Senate pool and came back positive, right?
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, they have been awful and irresponsible since day one.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: The Republican Party- is putting people at risk.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Period which by the way is why you don't go
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to a giant event with all these fucking people yeah
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: right there's that's the other thing is like there's a
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: difference between like going to it like i wouldn't i
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't go anywhere near a fucking republican politician or a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: trump supporter right now because like you can't believe if
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: they've been tested you can't believe if they've been taking
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: precautions like i mean there's a hundred people at that
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: event even if the even if the tests were a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: hundred percent accurate i still wouldn't believe that all those
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: people were going to get fucking tested i still wouldn't
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: fucking believe it Look, we'll.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Get to it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: But like, you know, you stop.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: It's like we're we are so through the looking glass.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: The Biden campaign had to push the debate, the debate
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: commission to change the rules to move Pence and Kamala
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Harris further apart because the White House is an unreliable
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: and reckless operator that is an ongoing threat to public
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: health and safety.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: That is extraordinary. We have to keep the we have
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to keep Kamala Harris away from Mike Pence because we
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: don't trust them and he may be sick.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So, well, so Trump campaign advisor Jason Miller was the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: first to try to, they trotted him out on the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Sunday shows to try to defend the president's behavior. Here's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: what he said to George Stephanopoulos.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: And George, I think there's a really important point here
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: is that President Trump.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Had to take this head on.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: He had to get out there as the leader, not
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: just of the country, but of the free world and
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: take this head on. This is a general in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: field type moment that he couldn't just stay upstairs hidden
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: in the Lincoln bedroom or in the White House. He
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: couldn't stay hidden in his basement saying, I'm going to
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: shut down forever.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, virus hunter.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hand-to-hand combat.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Tommy, what is the argument the Trump campaign is trying
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to make here? And is it at all believable?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: They're just clowns. They're clowns. There's no argument here. You
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: can't spin nothing. And the question about whether or not
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: he'll get sympathy, sympathy is still even different from whether
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: it'll help him politically. I might be sympathetic. I don't,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not like wishing anybody ill will, but like, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: think this just reminds everybody of just how badly he
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: has failed to manage COVID. And like Jason Miller, good
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: luck defending the indefensible. You, you wretched human being. I mean,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: give me a break.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And this morning they kept it up.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Love it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: The Trump campaign spokesperson, Aaron Perrin said on Fox, he
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: has experience now fighting the coronavirus as an individual. Joe
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Biden doesn't have that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Unbelievable.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: It's like, who is that fucking for?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It's beyond parody.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Who is that for? Who is, like, where is.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: A lot of pressure on Joe Biden to catch the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: coronavirus now to keep up with Donald Trump. A lot
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of pressure.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Like, good luck, Pete.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Good luck, you absolute fucking bottom-feeding dregs of Republican politics,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: the only people willing to go on television and defend
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: this because Kellyanne is also sick.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But also, you know, those.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Arrogant, awful Trump kids... who strolled into the debate and
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: then removed their masks and waved away the Cleveland Clinic
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: people who tried to give them one. They are exactly
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: what is wrong with this country on so many different levels.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: They are so arrogant and elitist. And by the way,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: if the various like bodies involved would just enforce the
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: rules that everyone is supposed to go by, whether it
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: comes to Trump not talking over Joe Biden every five
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: seconds of the debate or like, proof that he got tested,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: showing up to the debate in time to get tested
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: there that day in front of everybody. We wouldn't have
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: all these problems, but everyone kowtows to them for no reason.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it's indicative of the larger problem of how various
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: institutions and establishment institutions in particular have responded to fucking
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Like the debate commission is fucking useless, impotent. Like, oh,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: we don't want to be accused of playing sides. We
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: can't upset the Trump people.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: So is the White House Correspondents Association. Kayleigh McEnany was
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: briefing them without a mask yesterday. Today, she has COVID.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: They put out a statement basically wishing her well, not
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: saying a damn thing about how she recklessly put them
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: all at risk. Come on, guys.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Must not appear partisan. Must not appear partisan. No matter what,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the biggest sin is pure partisan. Everyone's going to end
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: up dead from COVID, but at least you won't have
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: been playing it. At least both sides will have been.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: You would have been fair to both sides. Right. So
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: let's talk about how this is all playing for Trump.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, not great. Okay, sure.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about how it's playing for Trump.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Just about every poll since Trump's diagnosis has showed Joe
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Biden maintaining or expanding his lead. In addition, a Reuters
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Ipsos poll found that 90% of Democrats and even 50%
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of Republicans agreed that, quote, if President Trump had taken
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: coronavirus more seriously, he probably would not have been infected.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: ABC News found that 72% of Americans, quote, believe that
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Trump didn't take the risk of contracting the virus seriously enough.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yahoo News and YouGov found that only 15, 1.5% of
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Americans thought that Trump should have attended that New Jersey fundraiser.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: The only thing I find interesting about these numbers is
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that Trump isn't even getting his usual 35 to 40%
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: of his base support on his COVID behavior. What do
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you guys think? Was there anything interesting or surprising in
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: these polls? Love it.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: No, no, there isn't. There just isn't.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: This is not, you know, like maybe the only thing
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: you could wonder if you're going to wonder anything is
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: we were in the midst of a news cycle after
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: the worst presidential debate in our lives ever on television.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I think that's fair to say because of Trump's sort
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: of boorish and awful behavior. And that was having a
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: like slightly widening lead for Biden reflects that this is
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: a whole new story. It's not a good story for Trump.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: It throws everything, it kind of throws all attention on
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: his worst issue. While at the same time, I'll say,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: you know, though, you know, it's amazing how quickly he's
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: back to normal with his sort of kind of self-destructive tweets.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: But like these videos, while heinous and ridiculous and incoherent,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: were ultimately not the kind of vitriol he'd have been
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: spewing if he'd been able to go to Wisconsin, if
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: he'd be able to go to the places he wanted
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: to go.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I just think it's like, will this affect the race?
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Nothing seems to have. This thing is incredibly stable.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Tommy? I feel like this might
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: affect the race. It might not be like the bottom
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: dropping out, but this feels like a big deal.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I just think like, look, nothing in the polling surprised me.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: There's probably no better understood part of Trump's record than
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: his handling of COVID. And it's probably no more hardened
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: opinions than the fact that he did a terrible job.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And the problem for the Trump people is, you know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: he was displaying this recklessness recently. On Tuesday at the debate,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: we watched him mock Joe Biden for wearing a mask, right?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, like the Tulsa indoor rally was a huge disaster.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Herman Cain died, but is somehow still tweeting through it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: It's like people get this. Like a week ago we
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: were listening to audio of him telling Bob Woodward he
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: purposely played down the fucking virus. There's no spinning this, guys.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Best of luck.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Send us your Conways. Send us your Millers.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Send us the best you got.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: There's no spinning this. You guys are a fucking disaster.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe you'll win the election. I'm not saying I know
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: who's going to win. You're a disaster on this one.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: But honestly, like if you win at this point, then
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: like go, you know what? Godspeed. Because this is like,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: if you, I mean, I had been wondering if there
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: was a way that COVID would come back into the headlines,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: knowing that it's the toughest issue for Trump. And I
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: was sort of scared, and it might be this anyway,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: we should say that cases are on the rise again
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: throughout the United States. We hit like 50,000 over the weekend.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: We had been at a plateau of 40,000. That's incredibly alarming,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: especially when Fauci said that if we want to get
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: through the winter when there's supposed to be another surge anyway,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: we should be down to 10,000 cases a day in
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: order to be able to handle it. We're now at
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: 50 again, which is really alarming. So it could have
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: crept into the headlines anyway, but now it's in the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: headlines in a much different way, which is like the
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: president of the United States, patient zero is a fucking
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: super spreader. And so are members of his party. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: they're running around the country, not just neglecting COVID right now,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: but actually infecting people with COVID themselves. Like I cannot,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I cannot imagine. I cannot imagine if I tried a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: worse way to close out the race for him.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: And I will say too, you could conceive of a
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: strategy that they might have to show him getting better,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: back on the campaign trail, talking about it, trying to
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: take it seriously, all out the window when he gets
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: in a car and puts people at risk and shows
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: that he's learned absolutely nothing.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: There's no- Well, and just in that tweet where he said,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I feel better than I have in 20 years. Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: That's got to be the steroids, by the way. I mean,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: they're coursing through his veins.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a doctor, but neither half the
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: people today may are. So whatever.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I like the idea that doctor being like, obviously, Trump
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: is doing really well. His fever did spike. He did
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: have a several minute conversation with Herman Cain. But again,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: it was a mostly positive encounter.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Also, just like the lines, just like. Did his oxygen
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: ever go below 94? It certainly didn't go into the
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: low 80s. Like, I didn't ask about the low 80s.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: That wasn't the question, sir. So I assume from that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: answer that it definitely went into the high 80s.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Because you lie about everything else.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Sounds like 85 to me. They did not vet their
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: doctors for the ability to lie. That much was very clear.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an issue. Let's talk about how Joe
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Biden's handling all of this. The former vice president who, again,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: thankfully tested negative again on Sunday. has wished the president well,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: pulled down his negative advertising, but continued to campaign and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: draw contrast with Donald Trump on both policy and leadership.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Here's a clip of Biden from this weekend talking about
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the importance of masks.
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: We can save 100,000 lives in the next 100 days,
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: according to the head of the CDC, if everyone wears
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: a mask in public. So be patriotic. It's not about
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: being a tough guy. It's about doing your part. Wearing
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: a mask is not only going to protect you, but
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: it also protects those around you. Your mom, your dad,
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: your brother, your sister, husband, wife, neighbor, co-worker. Don't just
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: do it for yourself. Do it for the people you love.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Tommy, how do you think the Biden campaign has handled
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: this situation and how should they handle it going forward?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I thought that speech was pitch perfect. I mean, listen,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: the reason Trump can't defeat COVID is because it requires empathy.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: It requires maybe looking a little silly in your photo
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: app when you're a 74-year-old president with a weird hairpiece
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: thing going on because you have a mask on for
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: a few minutes. And he just refuses to do that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: He will not put the health of others ahead of
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: his own image, his own politics. Joe Biden is the
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: opposite human being.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Look, if it were up to me, I would lock
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden in that basement and not let him out.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I would bubble wrap the house. I would keep every
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: human being away. I would go back to the week
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: two of COVID. We're all wiping down every individual banana
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: we were bringing in there. I don't think he needs
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to be out there campaigning. I would just have him
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: chill out and do a bunch of Zooms. I think
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: pulling down the negative ads is fine. It was a
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: good message. It sounds good. I would rather have them
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: up with a bunch of ads about his record anyway.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I think they're doing the right things, but man, I'm
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: just terrified about him getting sick. Like, that's my problem.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Love it. What do you think? How should he how
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: should he handle this sort of message wise going forward?
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I think he's saying all the right things. You know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: we've been having, well, you know, Peter Hamby wrote about this.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: We've talked about this, that there's not a lot of
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: meat left on the attack ad bone anyway for Donald Trump,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: that we need to make a positive message about Joe
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Biden's sick. What a great way to shift to positive
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: ads when that's probably what they need to do anyway
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: while getting a bump. And by the way, I don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: think the super PACs are necessarily going to take the
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: notice anyway. So I'm sure there's plenty of negative ads
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: going anyway. Like, you know, I checked in with my
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: hacks on tap. I don't think Mike Murphy is pulling
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: down his ads in Florida. And they're not that negative anyway.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: So for the Republicans against Trump. So there's plenty of
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: anti-Trump messaging. By the way, the newspaper is pretty anti-Trump
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: at this point.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I was just about to say that. If you want
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: some negative content about Trump, turn on the fucking news, man.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I see all these people worried like, what is Joe
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Biden doing? What is Joe Biden doing? Like, guys, it's
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: totally okay. Plenty of negative information about Trump out there.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And we know that positive ads move voters more than
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: negative ads. Just because you're a partisan who knows you're
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: voting for Joe Biden doesn't mean that there's some, the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: fucking undecided and uncertain voters out there They know that
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Trump's an asshole. They want to know why they should
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: vote for Joe Biden. How many times do we have
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: to say this?
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I'd also say, too, that simply the act of going
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: in front of cameras and saying it's patriotic to wear
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: a mask. It doesn't make it tough to not wear one.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: We need to take the pandemic seriously and revive the economy.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: It's the only way out of this myth is a
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: contrast message because the president has said such heinous and
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: opposite things. So I don't I don't I'm not it
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: doesn't concern me at all.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I also think that now that Trump seems like his
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: normal self again, plus some steroids. Um, that Biden will
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: go back to the contrast himself. You know, I mean, one,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: one Trump advisor told, I think the Washington post, like the,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the attack ads write themselves. How can he protect the
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: country if he can't even protect himself and his staff,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: which thank you. Thank you. Anonymous Trump advisor. Cause that is,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: that is the message right now. Like Donald Trump cannot
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: protect you. Does not want to protect you from coronavirus.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: He couldn't even protect himself. Couldn't even protect his own
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: fucking staff because it doesn't give a shit. He doesn't
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: give a shit. He doesn't even give a shit about himself.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: By the way, one other thing that's been coming out
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: today is one of the journalists that probably got COVID
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: at the White House on Saturday said that they've been contacted.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Nobody's reached out to them. Nobody has checked in with them.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: There's no contact tracing.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: No one told Chris Christie, who's in the hospital right now.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: He had to find out from the news.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: And to me, this is once again, no one is
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: going to tell this White House that it's their responsibility
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: to set up contact tracing, to convene universities and other
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: people together. There's no one else but them. Like Mark Meadows,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: your job is to set up the contact tracing.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: There's no one else in charge. You're in charge.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: They have been afraid of being in power this entire time.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: And it's just another way in which they're just sort
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: of the malevolence and competence battle is just sort of
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: raging as always.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: It goes to, I mean, we should say like there is,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I know that, you know, we're partisans, we've made up
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: our mind here, but there was a way that Trump
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: could have handled this that would have been more politically
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: effective for him, right? Like, the country would have had
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: sympathy for a president who falls ill. He could have said,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: this taught me a lesson. We should take COVID seriously now.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And maybe I haven't been as vigilant as I should have,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and everyone should wear masks, and we should make sure
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: everyone has access to testing, and everyone should get the
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: same kind of treatment that I had at Walter Reed. And,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you know, this has really humbled me and made me think,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: and blah, blah, blah. Obviously, Trump can't do this, but
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: if he did that, I actually think he might close
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the race.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: A little bit.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know. He didn't do it. They've cornered themselves.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: They have always felt like any change in behavior is
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: a tacit admission that what they were doing previously was wrong.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: He just refuses to ever admit that he's wrong. So
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: maybe it would have gotten him some sympathy. I really
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: don't think it would have gotten him sympathy votes. I
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: think that people are pretty... harden their beliefs about him
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: he's a terrible leader like you could be sympathetic but
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you want this guy running the show anymore.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: That's true that's true um all right let's talk about
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: what happens in the last 29 days of the campaign
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: trump is off the trail but his campaign is moving
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: ahead with something they're calling operation maga which involves deploying
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: family members and surrogates and i guess coronavirus in the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: battleground states um mike pence mike pence is scheduled to
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: hold an in-person rally in Arizona on Thursday. The vice
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: presidential debate is on for Wednesday night, though we have
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: no idea if the next presidential debate will take place
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: as scheduled on October 15th. Love it. Pence holding rallies
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: is insane from a public health standpoint. Is it even
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: smart from a political standpoint right now?
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: No.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I don't think the super spreader White House rally events,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know what possibly they could be looking at.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know what is going on inside of the
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: kind of fetid Zoom calls these people are engaging in
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: right now to figure out how to get themselves to
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: some other kind of political reality. I am sure that
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: they are seeing the same kind of terrible numbers we're
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: seeing publicly and trying to figure out a way out
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: of it. I don't know why they think they need
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: to send Mike Pence, but I'm sure they think they
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: need to do something. They can't just wait because the
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: current the current trajectory is so poor for them. So no,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a good story to have Mike Pence,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: who very well may come down positive soon enough, who's
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: been exposed to all of these people taking this sort
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: of White House to yet another event that puts a
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: lot of people at risk, especially when we see cases
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: rising across the country in Wisconsin. You know, Wisconsin is
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: becoming another hotspot. It's rising in New York. It's rising
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: all across the country. Like we are still sort of
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: neck deep in this pandemic and it is their biggest liability.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: And it is now the closing issue because of what
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: happened at the White House. No, I don't think it's
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: good for them.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Tommy, if you're on Kamala Harris's debate prep team, is
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: there anything you would do to prepare her differently for
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: this debate with Pence now that all this has happened?
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Don't do it. What do you think? I feel like
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I'm watching a horror movie and the really nice girl
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: is about to walk into the dark abandoned house. Don't
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: go in there. What are you thinking? Mike Pence isn't safe.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Mike Pence could come down with COVID tomorrow. Are you crazy? Oh,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: we'll move her nine feet away instead of six. What
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the fuck are we doing here? It's madness to me.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: Madness.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I would not be doing this debate this week. If
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: you have to, I would make a huge deal about
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: the need to follow the rules, be safe, professional. Like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: make him... Get videotaped taking his test on the day of.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: We still don't know when Trump's last negative test was. Like,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I don't trust this White House to be honest about anything.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they're thinking here. I think this
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: is absurd.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: It's irrational.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Pence should not be campaigning at all when his boss,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the president of the United States, has a deadly illness. Like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: he should be doing everything he can to keep himself safe,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: as should Pelosi, as should, you know, the next people
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: down the chain. I think this is madness. Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, put the politics out. Pence should be self-quarantined. He
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: should be self-quarantined for two weeks.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: He should be. They all should be.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: I honestly think the reason they're not telling us the
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: number of people infected at the White House is, A,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: it's a high number, and B, they're not totally sure
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: because they have no competence to actually gather the information.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: They put out a letter. This White House, we talk
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: about how they don't care about people in New York.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: They don't care about people in California.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: They told the White House staff to go to their
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: own doctors and not to come to the White House
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: medical office Because they want to not, I don't, for
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: whatever reason, I don't know, but it's because they don't
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: want to take care of this. They don't feel the obligation.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think they know how many people at the
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: White House are infected. So, no, of course, Mike Pence
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: should be quarantined. You know, they're trying to say, okay,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: they'll keep Kamala Harris and Mike Pence 14 feet or
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: 12 feet away at this point.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: No way.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe they should bring the Jamie Harrison.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bring the plexiglass in.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, it's... It's ridiculous.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Everybody is figuring this out for the first time. We've
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: never been in a situation where the White House is
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: a public health threat in real time, actively spreading a virus.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a kind of a sticky wicket.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, if she if she if she does participate,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: if they can sort of put them both in bubble wrap.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I do think like Mike Pence was the head of
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the fucking coronavirus task force. Heck of a job, Mikey.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Heck of a job. Like, do not fuck. Like, I
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: would take every question on every issue back to this failure.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: If I was Kamala Harris, I would make the entire
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: debate about their failure on COVID, a failure for the country,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: a failure to protect millions of Americans, their own staff,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: their own supporters, their own party, the president himself. It
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: is a failure from the get-go, and she should just
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: not let up the entire time. I would do nothing
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: else but talk about that. I don't know what happens
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: with the next two presidential debates, by the way. I mean,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, if he was asymptomatic— Right. And didn't have
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: symptoms through the course of the illness. Then you got
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: 14 days that you're supposed to stay in isolation. He
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: is very symptomatic and face. He has a fairly severe
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: case of COVID. Like he's not going to be ready
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: on fucking whenever it is a week from now.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Why are we even considering letting Joe Biden into a
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: room with that man again?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: This is also a town hall. Do a zoom debate.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: It's also a town hall format.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: There will be all kinds of.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Regular human beings, citizens of the country that he would
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: put at risk. Why do we play this game anymore?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Stop letting this fucking monster dictate the terms of the debate. Look,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I want Joe Biden to debate him because Joe Biden
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: kicked his ass up and down the debate stage last time.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: And all the polling since then has broken hard towards
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden. But it's just not safe. It's not safe.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: And it's madness that we're pretending otherwise with this irresponsible
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: monster running the country. I feel like I'm in crazy
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: world and like no one will just recognize what's happening
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: in front of us, which the president of the United
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: States is. almost gave his opponent the coronavirus because he
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: is so reckless.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is, that's the real, that's the, that's the
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: very scary thing here that like, I can, I mean,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I was, when I spent yesterday, like on pins and needles, waiting,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: checking Twitter every five seconds, waiting for Joe Biden's negative test,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: because the way 2020- That's.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Your normal Sunday, but yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: It is my normal Sunday, but it was even worse
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: than usual.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I know, me too.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Because like, The way 2020 is, it's just like, oh
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: my God, Donald Trump somehow gets COVID, gives it to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: his opponent, survives okay. And then fucking poor Joe Biden
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: is sick. Like that was, I was terrified of that.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: And it almost happened.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: You know, of course, like by the grace of God,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: it didn't happen. And let's hope the next test comes
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: back negative. Let's hope we're okay. Let's just hope we're okay.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: But it shouldn't be up to the grace of God.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: We shouldn't be in this situation.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: That's totally right.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: You know, you've already seen, you know, this relates to the,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: to the, uh, Amy Coney Barrett nomination, again, reminder, the
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: source of all of this, it is the super spreader nomination.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: But you've seen a bunch of Republicans start saying things like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I'm following my doctor's orders. I'm going to quarantine for
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: 10 days. Like, well, 10, that's interesting. Interesting how it's
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: down to 10 now. No, I mean, look, Trump needs
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: to be isolated for two weeks. He needs to have
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: multiple COVID tests that come back negative before it's safe
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: for him to be around anyone. It is just not
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: possible for them to do an in-person debate.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: And here's the good news. Over Zoom, you can just
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: mute him. Also, Joe Biden doesn't have access to Walter Reed.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden doesn't have the White House Medical Unit in
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: his other house. Again, the system is stacked in favor
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. And no one is recognizing that and
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: helping Biden back away from this completely unsafe position he's
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: been put in. It makes me infuriated.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the other thing. Campaign doesn't need to go
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: on anymore. Guess what? You have all the fucking information you.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Need, America.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Go vote, right?
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Early voting has begun. Ballots are in the mail. People
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: already started voting. Everyone go vote now. End this fucking nightmare. Like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: we don't need Joe Biden risking himself at more events.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: We know what Donald Trump's going to say at his
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: fucking rallies. We know what they're both going to say
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: at the debate. We know how this is going to go.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Just fucking go vote. You don't need to hear from
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: these two men anymore. John, I need.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I need a group of undecided voters on CNN with
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: their arms crossed saying, I came here to get some information.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: I'm ready to find out what these people stand for.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I need Selena Zito at a gas station with a
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: bunch of undecideds talking about their economic anxiety. Like, yes,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: let's just vote.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: Please vote.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Everyone go.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I don't like Donald Trump, but I am somewhat persuaded
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: by the argument that Joe Biden didn't catch COVID yet,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: so he doesn't have that experience.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: And maybe I'll give it a cool nickname. All right.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we will have Tommy's interview with
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Cory Booker.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I am thrilled to be joined now by New Jersey
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Senator and member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Cory Booker. Senator,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: it's great to see you again. Thank you so much
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: for coming back on the show.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to trump your thrill with my outrageously
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: excited to be talking.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: So jumping right into it, I know that two members
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Tillis of North Carolina, Senator
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Mike Lee of Utah, have tested positive for COVID.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Another U.S.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Senator, Republican Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, tested positive as well.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: First question here is just, how are you doing? Have
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you been tested? And are senators frustrated that this White
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: House event for Amy Coney Barrett seems to have put
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: so many people at risk?
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So first of all, thank you for asking about my
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: own health. I just got tested earlier this morning here
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: in Newark, New Jersey at our local hospital with some great,
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: courageous medical professionals who've been standing on the front line
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: for this whole pandemic. And I feel good, no symptoms.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: So I'm praying I'm okay. But I was in a
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: judiciary committee hearing with Tom Tillis and Mike Lee on Thursday.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: It was a very big room and they were far away.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: But I just think that this is a yet again
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: pointing out that we are not doing everything we should
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: be doing in the Senate to protect members. And I
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: think when you put it in the context of a
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: hearing that is being outrageously rushed, an ahistoric rushing of
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: someone at a time that we usually have a lot
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: of time to prep for this, to read the volumes
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: of her writings and really prepare to do what our
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: constitutional duty is, which is to advise and consent. This
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: is a process that should be waiting and being given
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: the appropriate time. And that combined with the fact that
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: we now have members of our committee who have fallen ill,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: and obviously I pray for their well-being, but this just
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: further highlights that this process is just wrong.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes kind of easy about that process because,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: you know, I believe judiciary was scheduled to begin hearings
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: for the Barrett nomination on October 12th. Senator Lindsey Graham
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: had suggested holding a committee vote on October 22nd. Some
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: have since suggested conducting Barrett's confirmation hearings virtually. What's your
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: sense of the state of play for the timing of
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: these hearings? And do you think that virtual hearings on
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: a Supreme Court nomination are appropriate or sufficient?
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: So number one, I have no real sense with how
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are going to do this.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: I just know that they are intent and determined no
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: matter what to do this with members of their caucus
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: who have said before even Amy Comey Barrett was nominated
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: that they would vote for whoever Donald Trump puts up.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: And so I want to recognize that this whole process,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: there's a deep illegitimacy in it to begin with. And
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: we should constantly at every point be talking about the
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: illegitimacy of this process, the fact that we're moving forward
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: at all, the fact that he put up a Supreme
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Court nominee while voting had already started. It is an
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: illegitimate process being pursued in a raw, naked power grab
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: to get someone on the Supreme Court before the American
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: public voices, speaks to all these issues. Because what's at
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: stake Frankly, again, the majority of Americans are against what
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump is trying to do. Put a justice on
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: that will tear down Roe v. Wade. Put a justice
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: on that will tear down the Affordable Care Act. These
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: things have 70% plus support that Americans should be allowed
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: to speak on these issues, as well as the other
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: issues that we know are going to come for the
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: Supreme Court. So back to the part of your question
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: about the committee hearings. You know, I have no doubt
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: that they're going to try to press forward with virtual hearings.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: which I think is just wrong, for a lifetime appointment
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: on the highest court in the land, we should be
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: able to do this in a way that could honor
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: the traditions that we've had going back to decades and decades,
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: but also to give you a real chance to vet
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: the individuals up.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. And I'm glad you really
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: are focused on the illegitimacy of this process because I
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: agree with you 100%. And I think one of the
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: things that, you know, I'm curious about our listeners are
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: really wondering is, you know, you see all these these
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: armchair Senate experts on Twitter and in other places suggesting
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: all these ways the Democrats could stop or slow the
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Barrett nomination. Ideas like objecting to unanimous consent agreements, denying
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: committees the ability to meet after a certain time of day,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: quorum calls, all these tactics. I'm not saying these are
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: bad ideas. I just literally have no idea if they
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: are effective or sufficient. Can you give listeners a sense,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: a realistic sense of what can Democrats actually do to
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: slow down this nomination? Because I think it's hard for
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: people to deal with how important a Supreme Court nomination
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: or any judicial appointment is compared to how little power
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the minority sometimes has in those situations.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Right. And so understand it. we will do all the
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: procedural things that we can do to stop this illegitimate process.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: We will do those. And I don't think there's folks
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: that feel more of a sense of urgency on this
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: than the folks that are in that arena right now.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: But I want to remind folks that should we be
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: able to pull a procedural tactic based upon the rules
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: of the Senate to slow this nomination or stop it,
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell has already shown you that he will just
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: change the rule. Remember, we couldn't filibuster Supreme Court nominees before. Well,
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell said, well, that rule, I'm sorry, that would
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: stop the putting on of Brett Kavanaugh. We're gonna change
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: that rule. And so you have to understand, we are
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: in the minority. The rules are controlled by Republicans who have,
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Mitch McConnell, whose singular purpose is to completely hijack the
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: American courts. He constricted, thwarted really Barack Obama's ability to
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: put not just Merrick Garland on, but a whole slew
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: of circuit court and district court judges. He thwarted that,
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: and now he's aiding and abetting President Trump in putting
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: on a record number of judges. So if that's one
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: of his most proudest, singular, purposeful pursuits, then They know
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: that if we are able to do things that start
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: to mount to using the rules to stop this illegitimate process,
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: that he is fully capable of just changing the rules.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: And people should be aware of that. I really think
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: that a lot of this fight is sort of similar
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: to the healthcare fight, which was, we did not have
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: the votes in the beginning. It was not until Americans
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: really started doing all kinds of creative protests that put
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: so much moral force on the Republican Party that enough
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Republican senators shifted their votes and we were able to
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: stop their pulling down the Affordable Care Act. In that chapter, remember,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: they've never stopped trying to tear down the Affordable Care Act.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: They've sabotaged it by not fully funding it, by not
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: allowing enrollment periods, not advertising enrollment periods. They've done things
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: to jack up premiums. They've been sabotaging the Affordable Care Act,
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: but this is their final fight, California v. Texas, going
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: to the Supreme Court and then trying to rush a
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: justice through to seat her before the oral argument starts
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: so that they have a 6-3 majority to overturn your
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: health care, to overturn people's protections from being denied insurance
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: because of pre-existing conditions, overturning people's lifetime cap issues, people
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: who already exceeded that lifetime cap All the things that
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: we now are wildly popular amongst Republicans and Democrats, they
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: are setting up for the final blow to tear it down.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: And so if you're not finding ways creatively to protest
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: on the moral grounds of this issue, where the majority
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: of Americans already agree with you, Republican and Democrat, think
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: this should wait until after the election. We should be
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: doing everything we can to whip up that moral pressure.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Because I know a lot of people may are cynical,
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: think it doesn't work, but there are a lot of
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: people in tight elections around this country. And there are
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: a lot of others in the Senate that that could
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: work on. It has worked in the past.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good point and something
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: everyone should remember. No fight is over until it's over.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Speaking of major issues before Congress, I mean, it's been
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: months since Congress agreed to pass COVID relief legislation. Mitch
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: McConnell has basically walked away from negotiations. There have been
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: rumors of talks between Pelosi and Mnuchin possibly breaking through.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Do you have any hope that Congress might provide additional
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: relief to people who are struggling?
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, any hope. Look, I always tell people, be
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: a prisoner of hope. Never give up hope because anything
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: is possible. American history is a testimony to impossible things happening.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: But I am very doubtful that it will happen. And
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: people are hurting really, you know, it's just, it's awful
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: what's going on in our country. And you've seen the
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: most recent jobs report. You've seen the announcements from airlines
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: and movie theaters and more. This economy is in serious, serious,
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: dire straits. And there are a lot of American families who,
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: that need help and need support. So we're going to
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: continue to fight for that. But that's where I want
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: everybody to understand both of these issues we're talking about
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: from COVID, urgent COVID relief to the Supreme Court. A
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: lot of this is going to be coming down to
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: what we do in November and the election. All of
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: these issues, we can do nothing about them if we
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: don't take back the Senate. Nothing. We can do nothing.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: We can do very little about them, I should say,
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: if we don't take back the Senate. Very little about them.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: if we don't take back the presidency. If we get
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: both the Senate and the White House, we can do
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: a lot to rescue and support states and local governments
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: and families and hospitals and individuals. And I know that
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: Joe Biden, like he did when he ran the recovery
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: under Obama, will come in with a big plan to
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: help the United States of America get through this storm.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Last question for you, and thank you again for your
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: time on a busy week. Over the past few months,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has said that you, specifically you, Cory Booker,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: are literally going to destroy the suburb of America. And
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: that struck me as odd, considering that you're pretty well
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: known as someone who digs out neighbors' driveways when there's
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: snowstorms and shit like that. That seems like the opposite
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: of destroying a suburb. But I hear that language, and
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I think that is racist. And he's singling out you
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: because of your race. How did you take it? What's
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: the best way for us to respond to outrageous comments
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: like that?
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's outrageous, but it's not new. We've seen consistently,
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: especially marked in recent history by the Republican Party, from
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan's welfare queens to Bush's William Horton. We've seen
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: people making appeals to racially bigoted imagery and more. But
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: this president is not even, you know, not even a
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: dog whistle. It's a bullhorn, as people are saying. And
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: he is trying to scare suburban people in suburbs with
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: tired racial tropes and rank bigotry. And it's awful and
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: it's unfortunate. And, you know, on a personal level, just
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: to let folks know, it really strikes a note to
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: me because, you know, by the time I was 18
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: years old, I was graduating from a very... privileged suburban
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: high school, you know, present in my class on my
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: way to play football at Stanford and the like. But
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: my family never let me forget as I was growing
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: up that the only way we got into that suburb,
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: we were the first black family in this part of
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: New Jersey, was because activists got involved because we were
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: denied consistently homes, be able to buy homes because of
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: the color of our skin. And in 1969, it was
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: these courageous white folks with black folks that sent white
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: couples to follow my parents around when they would be
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: home shopping. And when they would be turned away from
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: a house, the white couple would come and present themselves
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: as homebuyers. They actually put a bid on the house
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: for my parents, for the house that I grew up in.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: And when my dad showed up at the closing with
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: a lawyer instead of the white couple, the real estate
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: agent literally attacked my dad's lawyer, punched him in the face,
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: took the dog on him and So I am where
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: I am today because of racist attempts to whip up fear,
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: fears of white flights and sort of that bigotry that
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: was baked into the laws of our past. And so
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: it really is to me at a time that we
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: should have a president speaking to the truth of racial
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: challenges in our country. We instead have a president that
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: is trying to play to bigotry, demagoguery, fear mongering, hate,
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: can't even condemn white supremacists as attacking racial sensitivity and
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: gender sensitivity training, calling it un-American, which is very opposite.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: So again, everything comes back to this election. It is
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: not enough to get worked up. We got to get
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: out there and start working. It's not enough. We know
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: who Donald Trump is. He's told us who he is
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: enough times. Heck, every news cycle, he does things to
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: tell us where it is. This is not a referendum
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: on him. I'm telling you, it's a referendum on us.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: on who we are, what is our character, who we're
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: gonna be to each other, and how much are we
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: willing to fight for our country. And the fight right now,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: and I'm not discounting the urgency of the Supreme Court fight,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: but the biggest fight is to have such a wild
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: wave of a voter turnout that we, Florida, when we
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: get those results back, that it is a big victory
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: for us. That we, blue states, listen to me please,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: that people don't think, well, I'm in California or New York.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: And no, it matters because if we show him, we
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: run up the score, don't beat him by 3 million
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: votes this time, but beat him by 15 million, 20
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: million votes, this will be a complete repudiation, not just
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: of Donald Trump, but of Trumpism and this horrible brand
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: of politics. It will never go away. but at least
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: we can send it back into dark corners for another
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: decade or so before demagoguery and bigotry tries to take
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: over our systems again.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great advice. We have to send a message
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: to the ballot box. Senator Booker, thank you so much
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: for the work you're doing. I hope that you and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: all your colleagues stay healthy. I'm sorry you're in this
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: situation because of an irresponsible White House staff, but thank
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: you again for all your work.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: I just want to say this because I say it
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: every time. What you all have become on this podcast is,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: and I'm glad we're coming to the end of this cycle,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: but those last four years, you all have been such
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: important moral voices, sustaining voices. You guys have entertained, nurtured, nourished, inspired,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: engaged so many people. The success of this podcast really
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: speaks to the need of the podcast. And I'm just
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: grateful for the warrior work you guys have done, warriors
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: of justice, warriors of peace. And you know me, I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: have to say it, warriors of love as well. So
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: I'm just grateful for you guys. I love coming on.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: And let's bring it home in this last 30 days.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: That's very kind of you. Let's bring it home. All listeners,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: let's bring it home. We can win this thing. Thank
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: you again, Senator.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Thank you. All the best.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks to Cory Booker for joining us today. Again, we
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: will have Group Thread Wednesday night at the debate, if
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: that debate happens. So far, it's just still scheduled.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Don't do it, Kamala. Corey, if you're listening, call her.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I bet you have her cell phone. Send her a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: book or call her. Don't debate this clown.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Zoom in.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Zoom debate.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Do it outdoors. Outdoor debate, 12 feet apart. Do that.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: But he can't, as long as it's dark out, I
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: don't think Mike Pence can be outside in the light.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: Of course he doesn't have COVID. You need blood in
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: your fucking veins.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: All right, guys.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 1:02:38
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