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KILLER-HUBBY CHRIS WATTS Whines Behind Bars over NetFlix SHOCK-DOC · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He claimed he didn't know
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Speaker 1: what happened to his pregnant wife, Shannan or their two
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Speaker 1: little children. He claimed nothing at all was wrong. Well,
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Speaker 1: actually he murdered all three of them, four if you
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Speaker 1: count the unborn baby Nico. But now we learn in
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Speaker 1: the last hours killer Dad Chris Watts, behind bars right
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Speaker 1: now for four murders, is actually concerned about what the
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Speaker 1: public will think about him, how he is being portrayed
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Speaker 1: and the Netflix new documentary American Murder. Now that really
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Speaker 1: takes the cake. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in serious x M one eleven. First
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Speaker 1: of all, is the Netflix documentary right or wrong? Does
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Speaker 1: it skew one way or the other? And why is
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Speaker 1: what's so worried about his image and how he is
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Speaker 1: being portrayed? Is that more me Me, Me, Me, Me
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Speaker 1: Me by Chris Watts. Take a listen to this. My
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Speaker 1: name's the Cool and I'm calling because I'm concerned about
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Speaker 1: a friend of mine. I dropped her off at her
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Speaker 1: house at two in the morning last night and I
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Speaker 1: haven't been able to get a hold of her. This morning,
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Speaker 1: I thought to her house in her card there do
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Speaker 1: you want answer phone calls? You want to have to
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Speaker 1: text us to do? What's her name, Shenan wa heyis
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Speaker 1: my name's Shenan. I just want you to know a
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Speaker 1: little bit of my story. I went through one of
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Speaker 1: the darkest times of my life. Then I met Chris
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Speaker 1: and he's the best thing that ever happens to me.
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Speaker 1: There was no note or anything. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: to do right now. Those words from Shenan Watts we
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Speaker 1: know now dad, along with all three of her children,
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Speaker 1: have an eerie echo. He's the best thing that ever
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Speaker 1: happened to me. That was from the American Murder The
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Speaker 1: Family next Door on Netflix, which has really dropped a
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Speaker 1: lot of bombshells. Remember Chris Watts pled guilty. We never
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Speaker 1: got all the information, but now we are. I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to a tiny bit more
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Speaker 1: of that Netflix trailer. I've done everything in my heart
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Speaker 1: to make my family's life matters. That I make her
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Speaker 1: feel like. She said things were bad and then she
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Speaker 1: didn't know what was Chris for. He said, this is
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Speaker 1: completely unlink her my mom. There's never thought she was
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Speaker 1: here enough. You have any idea if he thought his
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Speaker 1: wife had a boyfriend said there thought about it. Stay
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Speaker 1: here right now, maybe as she going, I tortured him,
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Speaker 1: I rejected him. Did you know, schri We're not promised tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: We're not promised anything. There's only one person in the
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Speaker 1: room that knows what the truth is. A five minutes,
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be two of us. You know. It struck me.
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Speaker 1: And part of that trailer is Chris Watt sounding like
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Speaker 1: he's trying to cry, saying, my mom never thought Shenan
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Speaker 1: was good enough from a man? Have the tables have turned?
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Speaker 1: Let me introduce to you our All Star panel was
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Speaker 1: a very special guest as she will caught judge and
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: New York psychologist Karen Start at Karen star dot com.
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Speaker 1: Joining us from Manhattan. Bobby Chicko and former special asient
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Speaker 1: with the FBI, now screenwriter for Criminal Minds, Professor Forensics
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: now the start of a brand new series Poisonous Liaisons
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Speaker 1: on the True Crime Network. Special guests joining us CBS
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Speaker 1: four reporter from Denver, Dylan Thomas, and Sherilyn Catl the
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Speaker 1: author of Letters from Christopher, The Tragic Confession of the
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Speaker 1: Watts Family Murders, and upcoming book The Murders of Christopher Watts.
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Speaker 1: She corresponded with Watts behind bars taught with him many
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Speaker 1: many times. So, first of all, to you, Cherylyn Catle,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of the Netflix documentary? I think
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Speaker 1: that the Netflix documentary was well done in the sense that, um,
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Speaker 1: they put everything together that's kind of out there that
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Speaker 1: most people know. Um, they did miss a very very
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Speaker 1: big part of what happened, and that is the things
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Speaker 1: that Christopher wrote me in his letters as to what
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Speaker 1: happened that morning. And so that leaves a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a desire to, you know, wish that that was
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Speaker 1: out there more, which it isn't. My new book coming out,
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Speaker 1: and and you will see the letters that he wrote
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Speaker 1: with your own eyes, because it would be in the book.
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Speaker 1: But it's horrible how he um confesses nonchalantley about what
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Speaker 1: he did, just like you know, walking to the grocery store. Um.
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Speaker 1: So the Netflix was good. I think it was an
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Speaker 1: honor to Shahan as far as um was thinking to
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Speaker 1: make her look bad. Which is ridiculously said something that
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Speaker 1: really struck me. SHERYLN. Cadle Guys, author of let Us
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Speaker 1: from Christopher and Upcoming, both the murders of Christopher Watts.
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Speaker 1: The way he was so nonchalant about the whole thing,
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Speaker 1: it also struck me in a very bad way. My
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Speaker 1: mom never thought she was good enough. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: so blessed. I've known my husband, David since my fiance
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Speaker 1: was murdered when I was in college. In all those years,
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Speaker 1: I never had a single argument with his mother or father.
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Speaker 1: They accepted me just the way I am, warts and all,
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Speaker 1: and they never complained. Right now, we are getting intel
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Speaker 1: from behind bars that Chris Watts hates knowing the documentary
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Speaker 1: is out there, and he hates the way he is
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Speaker 1: being portrayed. It's amazing to me that it's still all
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Speaker 1: about him. But where did it all start. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend at ABCAMU robot. Nicole Atkinson has fear,
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Speaker 1: not fun on her mind. Her friend Shenanne Watts, is missing.
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Speaker 1: What was your first feeling in your stomach and your
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Speaker 1: gut that something was wrong. She didn't text me. I
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Speaker 1: tried calling, she didn't answer, which is really odd because
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Speaker 1: she texts me every more, but on this morning, no
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Speaker 1: communication from the pregnant Shenanne. We also learned that she
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Speaker 1: was concerned because both girls car seats would have been
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Speaker 1: were in the car and the car was in the garage.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. Nicole goes to Shechanane's O B G
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Speaker 1: y N where she knows she had an appointment, but
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Speaker 1: Janee is a no show. Your friend Chanane, who was
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Speaker 1: so excited about having this third baby, she wouldn't miss
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Speaker 1: that expointment, and then you know something was really wrong.
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Speaker 1: That's right. She was so thrilled about the new baby,
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Speaker 1: baby Nico coming, hoping that it would somehow miraculously men
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Speaker 1: their marriage. Isn't it true to Dylan Thomas CBS for
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Speaker 1: Denver that jan and niece something was wrong. It's all
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Speaker 1: very clear when she went out to North Carolina to
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Speaker 1: visit her family and he wasn't engaging her with her
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Speaker 1: on the phone or via text like she was expecting,
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Speaker 1: and even had a gender reveal coming up that she
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Speaker 1: ended up canceling because she just wasn't getting the vibes
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Speaker 1: back that she was expecting from Chris, someone who should
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Speaker 1: have been excited about having his very first child. You
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Speaker 1: just told me something I didn't know, Dylan Thomas. She
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Speaker 1: actually canceled her gender reveal party. You know, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: you were with me from the get go when I
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Speaker 1: got pregnant. It was a miracle. We kept it a
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Speaker 1: secret until the second trimester. And now the big thing
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Speaker 1: is gender reveal parties. That tells me a lot. She
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Speaker 1: canceled her gender reveal, so her instincts were telling her
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Speaker 1: Nancy that something was wrong, There's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: And what she wanted was his relationship to continue. So
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Speaker 1: although she canceled it, she kept trying to get him
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Speaker 1: to be interested in her again. And she did feel
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Speaker 1: that he was involved with somebody else. Man. People know
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Speaker 1: at some level she needs something was horribly wrong, but
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Speaker 1: obviously could not predict how wrong things would go. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, we take a long, hard look at
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Speaker 1: a brand new documentary from Netflix called American Murder. It's
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Speaker 1: all about Chris Watts, and what is amazing to me,
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Speaker 1: it's really well done. And I had my issues with Netflix,
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Speaker 1: especially about cuties that sexually depict young girls, but this
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Speaker 1: documentary really is revealing crime stories. With Nancy Grace, we're
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Speaker 1: talking about the fact that Chris Watts, after everything, is
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Speaker 1: sitting behind bars, stewing about the way his image is
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Speaker 1: being portrayed to the public. My Netflix, take a listen
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Speaker 1: with all of this going on, what he Chris Watts
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Speaker 1: tells police when her best friend says something is wrong,
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Speaker 1: she's missing, Chris tells police he saw his wife early
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Speaker 1: that morning before he left her work. This morning, she
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Speaker 1: says she's gonna take the kids to her friend's house,
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Speaker 1: and then she asked where she's gonna be, and then
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Speaker 1: I've text her today. I never heard anything. The house
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Speaker 1: appears neat and orderly, nothing out of place or rummage through.
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Speaker 1: We all ran through the house kind of looking for her.
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Speaker 1: It was odd the things that you did see. It
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Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me. Shunan's purse and wallet on
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Speaker 1: the counter, wedding ring on the nightstand, and unmade beds
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Speaker 1: and their beds would have definitely been made, yes, and
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Speaker 1: hersheets wouldn't have been stripped off the bed. No, they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't know, or even if they had, it wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: been in the manner that they were to Bobby Chico
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Speaker 1: in former special Asian FBI screenwriter Criminal rhymes criminal minds, Bobby, Chica.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we call routine evidence. And I don't
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Speaker 1: mean soop evidence, you know, the normal evidence. I mean
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Speaker 1: evidence of routine Bobby. I've told you we have two
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Speaker 1: guinea pigs, a pound puppy and a pound cat, and
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Speaker 1: my grandmother and my mother living with us. Every morning,
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Speaker 1: by seven o five, all the beds are made and
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Speaker 1: the guinea pigs have been cleaned out and fed by me.
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Speaker 1: It is not pretty, but it's done every morning like clockwork.
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Speaker 1: My point is just by those beds being unmade, that
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Speaker 1: is significant. Now a defense attorney may say no, but
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Speaker 1: it is. It absolutely, it is answer to it, especially
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Speaker 1: to investigators, because we all what you just described in
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Speaker 1: your own household. We all have that, even if we
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Speaker 1: don't know it. We have certain routines we carry out
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Speaker 1: every single day. It's human nature. And one of the
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Speaker 1: things investigators do is, especially in a missing person's case,
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Speaker 1: in the early hours, is did something happen that departed
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Speaker 1: from this routine? So the first thing you have to
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Speaker 1: is establish that routine. You talk to friends, you talk
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Speaker 1: to family, and then you see whether your physical evidence
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Speaker 1: of the crime scene departs in any way from that
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Speaker 1: normal routine, and that's your first clue that something is
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Speaker 1: amiss that she didn't just leave, because now she didn't
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Speaker 1: do things that she does every single day. And so
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Speaker 1: that's a very very important discovery by investigators. Hey, no,
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Speaker 1: ash will cut with her being pregnant, working a full
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Speaker 1: time job, bringing in a pretty good salary, and all
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Speaker 1: sorts of perks, two children, pet, home husband, she's worried
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Speaker 1: about cheating. To keep all those balls up in the air,
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Speaker 1: you pretty much have to have a routine or the
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Speaker 1: will start falling off. Absolutely, not only do you likely
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Speaker 1: have a routine, you also could be type AI to
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Speaker 1: be able to keep all those balls in the air.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that really disturbed me that I
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Speaker 1: saw on the Netflix documentary, I too thought it was really,
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Speaker 1: really well done. I don't really care what Chris Watts
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Speaker 1: thinks about it because he's been convicted, so whatever. I'm
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Speaker 1: not concerned with that piece. But I will say this
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Speaker 1: one of the comments she made of one of her texts,
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Speaker 1: with something to the effect of, I never really thought
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Speaker 1: how it made him feel that I do all of
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Speaker 1: these things, and I like things a certain way, and
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Speaker 1: all I want to say to any victims out there
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Speaker 1: is never ever ever think that be proud of your
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Speaker 1: ability to multitask, to have a routine, to take care
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Speaker 1: of that many things that want. Yeah, I'm curious about
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Speaker 1: what you just said. How somehow she was taking it
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Speaker 1: upon her self because she did so much and shouldered
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Speaker 1: so much of the responsibility at home and worked, she's
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Speaker 1: worried about how that makes him feel. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: here's a funny story, Jo Scott Morgan. You've raised children,
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Speaker 1: worked the whole time. Early on, when my children were
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Speaker 1: like three years old that we came. The three of
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Speaker 1: us came running in and before I could even get
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Speaker 1: into the DN, they ran back to me and went, mom,
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Speaker 1: dad is lounging, because that's rule number one. Nobody chillas
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Speaker 1: until the work is done. And when we they saw
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Speaker 1: their dad just sitting there on his iPad. Oh, that
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Speaker 1: was caused to raise alarm. And apparently Shennan that was
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Speaker 1: worried about how Watts felt because she shouldered so much responsibility. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she comes off you know, I have to say, you know,
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Speaker 1: because I've been following this case since the since the beginning,
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Speaker 1: she comes off as a real people pleaser that she
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Speaker 1: wanted to create this environment, this loving home for her
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Speaker 1: family and also for Watts himself, to make him feel
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Speaker 1: secure at home. You know, goodness, gracious Nancy, She's given
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Speaker 1: this man three children. She's just imparted herself in totality
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Speaker 1: to him. And it's just the tragic outcome of this
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Speaker 1: is absolutely hard for me. It makes it even worse
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Speaker 1: that she was trying so hard to please him to SHERYLN. Catle,
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Speaker 1: author of Letters from Christopher, A Tragic Confession of the
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Speaker 1: Watts Family murders, and a brand new book about to
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Speaker 1: come out to the murders of Christopher Watts. I noticed
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Speaker 1: when I saw the video of their home that it
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Speaker 1: looked like it was out of a home magazine. Every
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Speaker 1: room was staged beautifully. And I know she did all that.
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Speaker 1: Did he not notice any of that? Well, what's really
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Speaker 1: funny is that he takes credit for that. From the
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Speaker 1: beginning when I went to the prison and spoke with him,
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Speaker 1: and from the beginning when his mother called me. They
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Speaker 1: took all of the credit for Christopher for keeping the
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Speaker 1: house the way that it was. But she nan was
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Speaker 1: a perfectionist. A man doesn't go into a pantry and
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Speaker 1: put every little thing where its label it and make
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Speaker 1: everything so neat. Even the detectives as they were walking
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Speaker 1: to the house had to comment on the house was
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Speaker 1: abnormally organizing and clean. So he takes credit for that,
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Speaker 1: which absolutely blowed my mind. That this woman worked as
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Speaker 1: hard as she worked on her family, and then he
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Speaker 1: would take credit for all the things that were done
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Speaker 1: in the house, taking care of the children, everything running
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Speaker 1: as smoothly as it ran. Sherylne, You're probably in the
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Speaker 1: best position of all of us to know, is I mean?
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what really struck me. We have an
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Speaker 1: extra bedroom and I fixed it up, and I went
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Speaker 1: to Peer one and got these aquamarine glass lamps. I
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Speaker 1: noticed in her home one of her rooms had the
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Speaker 1: same lamps, and I immagiately imagine her shopping to pull
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Speaker 1: the room together. Her room, of course, looked perfect. But
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Speaker 1: is it true did he do all that? I think
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Speaker 1: he helped them mainly when she was on the phone
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Speaker 1: or on a live YouTube or Facebook and she needed
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Speaker 1: the house to be kind of quiet so that she
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Speaker 1: could talk to her people. I think he helped her. Then.
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Speaker 1: I think he was one that maybe pitched in and
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Speaker 1: helped with the dishes. A little bit maybe helped Babe
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Speaker 1: the children, but of course he didn't do everything. But see,
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Speaker 1: this goes back from the beginning when the first happened.
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Speaker 1: He went everyone to think he was such a good person.
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Speaker 1: And I can remember person after person that they were
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Speaker 1: acquaintances with said, oh, Christa, I said, I've never let
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Speaker 1: such a nice guy. Well, if you could take him
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Speaker 1: and separate him completely from what happened, he seems like
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Speaker 1: a very nice guy. I guess what most wom that's
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Speaker 1: what all those women thought, that he was meeting online
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Speaker 1: and hooking up with in hotels. What a great guy? Guys?
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Speaker 1: Is this when everything started to go sideways. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Chanane's own Facebook video. Guess what, girls, mommy
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Speaker 1: has a baby in her belly. Are you guys excited? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Are you really excited? Oh my goodness, Oh yeah, I
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Speaker 1: love you, Mella. And of course when she tells her husband,
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Speaker 1: he's pretty underwhelmed. Climb stories with Nancy Grace, Guys who
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Speaker 1: were talking. A brand new documentary on Netflix is called
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Speaker 1: American Murderer? Is it accurate? Is it real? Is it thorough?
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Speaker 1: And I'm astounded by Christopher Watt's reaction Behind bars that
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Speaker 1: it's all about him, how he is being betrayed by Netflix.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want you to take a listen now,
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Speaker 1: listen carefully because it's kind of hard to hear. This
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Speaker 1: is Chris Watts in his own words. I wonder is
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Speaker 1: that last time Share six, I gotta do something. I
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Speaker 1: gotta see something, you gotta taught something of change. It
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Speaker 1: was like maybe like a trigger point or something like
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Speaker 1: there you hear Chris Watt's telling investigated as possible having
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Speaker 1: sex with Chanane just before he murdered her was a
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Speaker 1: quote trigger point to the murder. He says he then
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Speaker 1: discussed their relationship with her and wanted he wanted to
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Speaker 1: cancel a planned trip they were making to Aspen. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's just drink that in for one moment. Ashley Willcott,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't sound ring true to me, that he has
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Speaker 1: sex with Chanane, who's heavily pregnant, and then that's when
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Speaker 1: he decides, hey, I want to break up. Yeah, something
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Speaker 1: doesn't ring true. Although I will suggest this, there are
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Speaker 1: many people out there that sex is sex and they
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Speaker 1: that's what they're concerned with, and then they can commit
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Speaker 1: a crime right after. So with this person with Chris Watts. Honestly, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I may not put it past him. Dylan Thomas, CBS
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Speaker 1: four Denver, a reporter, how was it that he framed
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Speaker 1: that it's my understanding he has sex with Shenan Watch.
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Speaker 1: She's worked into the night. She got a right at
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Speaker 1: home with her friend from the airport from the work job,
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Speaker 1: got there around two am, and then what exactly happens Dylan, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: from what he tells us, is that he had a
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Speaker 1: small conversation with her, a light argument that then they
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Speaker 1: eventually went to sleep, and then he woke her up
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and they had sex.
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Speaker 1: And that's where things kind of get jumbled up, because
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Speaker 1: he claims he got on top of her and the
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Speaker 1: argument became heated, and then he began to attack her.
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Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, she didn't fight back. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't have any bruises on his arms, he doesn't have
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Speaker 1: any her skin under his nails or vice versa. And
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Speaker 1: he claims she just laid there and looked at him
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Speaker 1: while he strangled her. And he claims, even sighting the
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Speaker 1: Bible at the time, that he was wondering if she
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Speaker 1: was laying there looking at him, saying forgive him God
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Speaker 1: because he doesn't know what he's doing. A reference to
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Speaker 1: Luke in the Bible. So there's a lot of confusion
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Speaker 1: there as to why wouldn't someone fight back in that
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Speaker 1: situation when their husbands laying on top of them, taking
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Speaker 1: their life right from them. You know, this is what
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Speaker 1: I've noticed, SHERYLN. Catle, author of a book about Christopher Watts.
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Speaker 1: With every defendant that gives a statement, it all starts
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Speaker 1: getting jumbled up, as Dylan Thomas just described CBS for
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Speaker 1: Denver Reporter. When they're lying because they're trying to make
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Speaker 1: their light fit a little bit with reality. What guy
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Speaker 1: gets on top of the woman and argues with her,
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Speaker 1: I mean, where she's lying on the bed and he's
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Speaker 1: sitting on top of her, and that's how you have
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Speaker 1: an argument that sounds more like a murder to me, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he did not get on top of her, or at
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Speaker 1: least the story he tells me in his letter, He
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Speaker 1: was actually laying next to her when he murdered her,
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Speaker 1: and this was planned. You can see in his own
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Speaker 1: words where he tells me that he put the girls
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Speaker 1: to bed that night and thought to himself, this is
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Speaker 1: the last night I'm going to have to tuck my
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Speaker 1: girls in, And then he murdered the girls first and
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Speaker 1: then went into the bedroom where Shenan was at and
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Speaker 1: the argument ensued. This is his words, So he tells
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Speaker 1: me he squeezed her juggler things. He knew somehow how
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Speaker 1: to do that so that he could just cut off
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Speaker 1: the blood vow. But I'll tell you, I'm almost positive
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Speaker 1: she was drugged again because he gave her oxycodon at
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Speaker 1: her Pine's house to try to cause her to miscarry.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work, and he had more of the drug,
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Speaker 1: and I believe that night he gave her more oxycodon
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Speaker 1: to wipe her out. Shann was a tenacious woman. She
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Speaker 1: did not seem to me like the type of woman
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Speaker 1: that would have just laid there and let him murder
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Speaker 1: her unless she was incapacitated where she cannot help it. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what you're saying that he told you, SHERYLN.
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Speaker 1: Catle's completely bass ackwards to what he told cops. Listen
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts speaking about the moment he murdered Shennan told her,
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Speaker 1: I didn't low her anymore. That's what I happened. Should
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Speaker 1: me get up her did she say. She said something
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Speaker 1: like you're hurting the baby or something before that, because
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Speaker 1: I what I do? Why did you get on her
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Speaker 1: like that? From God? From gold that's just going out on?
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Speaker 1: Is that so she would listen to you? I feel
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Speaker 1: I think she could probably listen to me just laying
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Speaker 1: inside of her. I got on Dopper. Every time I
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Speaker 1: think about it, I'm just like, I know I was
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Speaker 1: gonna do that before I got on offer. Really that's
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Speaker 1: an interesting thought, Chris. You don't know what you know
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Speaker 1: everything out on that morning. I just I don't know, lady.
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Speaker 1: I gotta trying to go back in my head, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I didn't want to do this. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Guys a new documentary out and
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts behind bars now. According to him, what he
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Speaker 1: tells police is that he takes her dead body with
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Speaker 1: the girls in the car and then murders the girls
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Speaker 1: at the oil fields of Anna Darko and one at
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Speaker 1: a time and shoves them down the oil containers. The
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Speaker 1: reason I'm telling you this because I want you to
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Speaker 1: analyze it. But also remember Dylan Thomas CBS four. Remember
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Speaker 1: when the cops got there to his home, he did
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Speaker 1: not want the cops involved, but the friend called the cops.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, he was saying, gee, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what to do and trying to come up with a story.
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Speaker 1: This is after he had just put the girls down
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Speaker 1: these oil containers. Dylan remember what he was telling cops
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Speaker 1: when they got there. Yeah, he ran up the drive
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Speaker 1: boy after walking out of his vehicle, shook the officer's hand,
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Speaker 1: opened the garage and said he hadn't heard from his family.
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Speaker 1: He thought they were going to be at a Blay date.
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Speaker 1: And what's really odd is for somebody whose entire family
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Speaker 1: is missing, he opens the garage and he checks the
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Speaker 1: car first, as if they would be sitting in the
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Speaker 1: car just waiting for him to come home. And then
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Speaker 1: after that he goes in the house and in like
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Speaker 1: a minute or so period, not once do you hear
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Speaker 1: him call out for his family, as if he knows
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Speaker 1: they're not there, he knows where they are. And then
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Speaker 1: throughout the whole time, while her friends are walking through
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Speaker 1: looking in the house for her, he's just kind of
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Speaker 1: walk around texting people, not calling frantically knowing they're not
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Speaker 1: here if they're not coming home, So jes Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: what happened to the girls. Well, there's one account, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: where he's claiming that he actually took a pillow and
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Speaker 1: attempted to suffocate these children in the bed, and that
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Speaker 1: he was unsuccessful in accomplishing this, and that even the
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Speaker 1: children demonstrated some trauma to their faces. My contention all
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Speaker 1: along was that he had actually killed Nan in the home,
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Speaker 1: placed her body in the car along with the children
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Speaker 1: or in this truck, and drove them out there where
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Speaker 1: he killed them on sight at the scene. And you know,
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Speaker 1: and following this, as as he had time to kill
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Speaker 1: these kids, he needed to make quick work of them. Remember, Nancy,
27:53
Speaker 1: remember the thief hatch, the infamous thief hatch on top
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Speaker 1: of these old containers. He dumped each child's body through
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Speaker 1: the sleeve hatch on these containers and stuff them down.
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Speaker 1: That gave him enough tom at the scene to go
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Speaker 1: out and dig the shallow grave which was immediately adjacent
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Speaker 1: to these containers. And this very very hard soil out there.
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Speaker 1: This was not easy going, but he showed up with
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Speaker 1: all of the tools at that tom in order to
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Speaker 1: accomplish that task. Guys, with all this in mind, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut fifty two. Take a listen.
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Speaker 1: A source tells people about Chris Watts, the man who
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Speaker 1: murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters, is aware of
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Speaker 1: the explosive new Netflix documentary about his infamous case and
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Speaker 1: says that it brings back a lot of a shame
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Speaker 1: for him. The source says Wats will probably never see
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Speaker 1: the documentary entitled American Murder the Family next Door, adding quote,
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Speaker 1: He's curious about it, but he hates even knowing that
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Speaker 1: his texts are out there for the public to read.
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Speaker 1: It brings back awful memories of twenty eighteen for him.
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Speaker 1: The documentary is now streaming on Netflix, and it includes
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Speaker 1: rarely seen text messages and letters exchanged between Way and
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Speaker 1: his Way Channan. Watched strangled Chanan on August thirteenth, twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 1: in their Colorado home. He then drove her body to
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Speaker 1: a job site at the oil company where he worked.
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Speaker 1: After disposing of his wife's body, he then smothered his daughters,
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Speaker 1: four year old Bella and three year old Celeste. According
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Speaker 1: to authorities, Watch went on his murderous three because he
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Speaker 1: was having an affair with a co worker who thought
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Speaker 1: he was already separated once again. Watt says he's being
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Speaker 1: quote triggered this time by the documentary because his life
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Speaker 1: is available for public consumption. But in my mind, I'm
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Speaker 1: not surprised at all. Take a listen to what he
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Speaker 1: said in his confession. I look outside every day in lady,
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Speaker 1: what coming right now? Right now? I had a five
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Speaker 1: year old fielderful son. He is actually behind bars, whining
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Speaker 1: that he's alone, that it's just it's quote, it's just me, now, me, me, me, me,
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you call that, Karen Start, don't
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Speaker 1: say he's insane. Do not even fix your mouth, Karen Start,
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Speaker 1: don't do that to me and just push me over
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Speaker 1: the edge. What is that? I mean? He murdered them
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Speaker 1: in a horrible fashion, you heard Joe Scott Morgan. And
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Speaker 1: now he's sad because it's just him, and he's a narcissist, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Everything is about him, and he also has no conscience,
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Speaker 1: no feelings, even when he describes and they think about that.
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Speaker 1: If it's true that he tried to smother his little girls,
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Speaker 1: his very young girls, and they came into the room
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Speaker 1: and were able to revise, and he sees them bruised,
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Speaker 1: and still he puts them in the car if they
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Speaker 1: know that something terrible is happening, and he's able to
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Speaker 1: kill them, and one of them says, no daddy, no daddy,
31:09
Speaker 1: and he says, very calmly, you know that is somebody
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Speaker 1: who cannot feel, has no conscience and doesn't look it
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Speaker 1: is the name of it. What narcissism. He's a narcissist
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Speaker 1: and a psychopath. He's able to commit murder without having
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Speaker 1: second thoughts about it. You hear Carrie Start New York
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Speaker 1: psychologists talking. Isn't it true? Because I've seen it, and
31:36
Speaker 1: this is anecdotal that so many criminal defendants they don't
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Speaker 1: feel the pain of other people. They just sit there
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Speaker 1: in court watching testimony, looking at crime scene photos of
31:47
Speaker 1: a grouse and murder. It means nothing to them what
31:50
Speaker 1: these people have been through at their hands. That's right,
31:53
Speaker 1: and we often see that in career criminals, in people
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Speaker 1: that have victimized people over and over and over again.
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Speaker 1: They can do that, you know, if they're even even
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Speaker 1: with muggers, or obviously over and over again in in
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Speaker 1: case like this where he annihilates his entire family and
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Speaker 1: young children. I mean, it's a single event, but it
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Speaker 1: shows you that he can do that, and his behavior,
32:13
Speaker 1: both immediately afterwards and now long term afterwards shows you
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Speaker 1: that he has no feeling and no caring and no
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Speaker 1: empathy for anyone in this situation other than himself. And
32:23
Speaker 1: it's all, like the doc said, it's all about him.
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Speaker 1: And so yes, with these repeat offenders or these single
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Speaker 1: offenders that can do something so evil to people they
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Speaker 1: supposedly love, you find that that that that lack of
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Speaker 1: of of emotion, lack of feeling, lack of contact connection
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Speaker 1: with another human being, You couldn't if you have any
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Speaker 1: kind of connection with that person, you couldn't have carried
32:45
Speaker 1: out murders like this, you know. Dylan Thomas, Champion, Joe Scott. Yeah,
32:50
Speaker 1: kind of dovetailing with what Bobby was just saying and
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Speaker 1: caring as well. Reflect back to what Cheryl Lynn had
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Speaker 1: mentioned just a while ago relative to this choking event
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Speaker 1: that took place. You know, there is there is one
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Speaker 1: comment that has been made relative to what Watts had done.
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Speaker 1: He claims that he witnessed NaN's eyes filled with blood.
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Speaker 1: And you know this comes about you know, uh, she
33:17
Speaker 1: had mentioned that he had choked her per the juggler
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Speaker 1: vein Now that's kind of, you know whatever, he claims
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Speaker 1: that he knows where that is. That's all finally good.
33:25
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was an anatomist. But the reality
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Speaker 1: is this. He recalled that Nancy that goes to tell
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Speaker 1: you how he can kind of diminish her. He's choking
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Speaker 1: her to the point and this is real. He's choking
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Speaker 1: her to the point where the blood is backing up.
33:39
Speaker 1: How many times have we talked about particular images in
33:43
Speaker 1: the eyes where we have an asphyxial debt. That's what
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Speaker 1: he's specifically talking about. He remembers this. I think he's
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Speaker 1: actually kind of a longing for this. He's seeing this
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Speaker 1: is kind of a completion of what he was involved
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Speaker 1: in to get rid of the two Dylan Thomas, CBS four,
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Speaker 1: Denver Piggyback and what Joe Scott just said, the dichotomy
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Speaker 1: of what he did with what we're seeing in the
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Speaker 1: Netflix documentary because they tell in the True Crime Dot
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Speaker 1: the story through a lot of social media posts and text.
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Speaker 1: For instance, on the day Watts killed pregnant Shenana, their
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Speaker 1: two daughters, they were texting that morning about what do
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Speaker 1: they want from the grocery and dinner plans. She writes,
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Speaker 1: what kind of veggies do you want with dinner tonight?
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Speaker 1: He says broccoli, green beans, And then just later on
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Speaker 1: he's doing fake texts about can you call me please,
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Speaker 1: right after he strangled and dumped, strangled and dumped her body. Yeah,
34:41
Speaker 1: and he's seen on surveillance video at a local gas
34:43
Speaker 1: station buying breakfast burritos moments after he just murdered his
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Speaker 1: entire family. It's fascinating to follow the timeline based off
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Speaker 1: their social media and their text alone, even following the deaths,
34:53
Speaker 1: where he was even trying to send out these fake
34:55
Speaker 1: texts to his realtors saying he wants to put up
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Speaker 1: the house for sale. He's calling the children school telling
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Speaker 1: them that they're not going to be coming back, he's
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Speaker 1: taken them out, or that he's just enrolling them, and
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Speaker 1: as if the public would just like, all right, they're gone,
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Speaker 1: that's okay. So the phone timelines really to a lot
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Speaker 1: and real quick. On the social media standpoint, I've formed
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Speaker 1: a relationship with the family's lawyer, the Russick family's lawyer,
35:17
Speaker 1: the Chanan's family, and they say, to this day, a
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Speaker 1: lot of people are still cyber bullying them. Because they
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Speaker 1: believe Shennan actually committed some of the murders with the
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Speaker 1: two young girls, based off the original story that Chris told.
35:31
Speaker 1: Once again, he's on his fourth or fifth story now
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Speaker 1: as to what happened. But what the fact is, people
35:35
Speaker 1: around the world are sighting with him and buying that.
35:41
Speaker 1: I blame the environment in this case. Sherlyn Catal, author
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Speaker 1: of Letters from Christopher, at the very beginning, his family,
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Speaker 1: the mom, according to him, didn't think Chanan was good enough.
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Speaker 1: Throughout they blame Chanan all along. And I think that
36:02
Speaker 1: they still project that he kills Shennan because he saw
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Speaker 1: her killing the children. How can they still believe that? Well,
36:14
Speaker 1: they definitely do believe that still. And there's a recent
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Speaker 1: video out there where he is on the follow from
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Speaker 1: the prison talking to a pasture and saying that he
36:26
Speaker 1: was coerced into his confession. But it just amazes me
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Speaker 1: the letters that I have, the things that he says,
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Speaker 1: even talking about the morning of the murders, how he
36:38
Speaker 1: had to shove, especially Bella through this eight inch hole.
36:43
Speaker 1: I mean, think of an eight inch pizza or a
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Speaker 1: dinner plate. It's not very big to shove a four
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Speaker 1: year old road down there, and as he was pulling
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Speaker 1: away from the murder, what went to his minders? Oh?
36:54
Speaker 1: Did I put Deeter in the cage before? I love
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Speaker 1: the hall? I mean, what does I tell you of
37:00
Speaker 1: someone like that? There's no conscience, so of course he
37:03
Speaker 1: can separate himself from what had happened and try to
37:06
Speaker 1: make it look like Shnan did this. And I think
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Speaker 1: he almost believes his own life. Sharon. Is he still
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Speaker 1: in touch with any of his girlfriends or mistresses? Yes? Okay,
37:17
Speaker 1: you know what the image he portrays to his lovers,
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Speaker 1: his girlfriends, his family, all of that is he told
37:24
Speaker 1: police and the physical evidence. Oh yeah. The American Murder
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Speaker 1: an incredible piece of work by Netflix that really lays
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts bear as he still frets behind bars about
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Speaker 1: how it makes him look. Rot and Hale Watts Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing offer goodbye friend,