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Credlin | 23 September · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. It's official all the Prime Minister formerly
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Speaker 2: snubbed today by President Trump two hundred and sixty four
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Speaker 2: days now without a meeting, and no matter how label
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Speaker 2: wants to spin this, it's a diplomatic disaster.
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Speaker 3: Greg Sheridan coming out.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Chris Bowen's over at the UN two spooking our
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Speaker 2: climate credentials at his UW twenty thirty five target, and
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Speaker 2: he's been caught out on the record admitting that what
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Speaker 2: we're doing here to wreck our economy.
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Speaker 3: Is way way ahead of what.
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Speaker 2: The rest of the world's doing on climate change, plast
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Speaker 2: the world's debating free speech and constraints around it.
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Speaker 3: I'll speak to a leading free speech.
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Speaker 2: Campaign or out in Australia from the United Kingdom and
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Speaker 2: where he draws the line and the PM chast died
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Speaker 2: by the White House two for Australia's recognition of Palestine.
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Speaker 2: It becomes yet another flashpoint in our worsting relationship with
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Speaker 2: the US.
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Speaker 4: There's nothing to end this conflict and bring this war
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Speaker 4: to a clause and frankly, he believes it's a reward
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Speaker 4: to Hamas.
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Speaker 2: I'll also get into Bret Sutton's startling admissions finally about
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Speaker 2: the futility of the nonsense he subjected Victorians to in COVID.
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Speaker 2: But ver's the farce over our Prime minister's first face
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Speaker 2: to face meeting with the American president. This whole willie
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Speaker 2: or won't it take place? Well, it's now very serious.
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Speaker 2: The President, Donald Trump has no interest in meeting this
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Speaker 2: prime minister, or Anthony Albanesi's no particular interest in meeting
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Speaker 2: this particular president.
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Speaker 3: Perhaps it's a mutual aversion.
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Speaker 2: President Trump doesn't want to meet the guy who's just
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Speaker 2: rewarded terrorism, and our PM doesn't want to meet the
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Speaker 2: guy who's pulled out of Paris is called climate change
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Speaker 2: of hoax? And who's going to beerate him about not
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Speaker 2: spending enough on defense. If this was a squabble between
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Speaker 2: our government and a big player on the world stage,
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Speaker 2: fair enough, nothing to see here, move on, But it's not.
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Speaker 2: The United States is our most important ally bar none.
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Speaker 2: We would be speaking Japanese if it wasn't for their
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Speaker 2: support in the Second World War, and will be speaking
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Speaker 2: mandarinemy years ahead. Unless this mess gets sorted out, because
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Speaker 2: we expect the Americans to sell us at least three
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Speaker 2: of their Virginia class nuclear powered subs, And yet the
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Speaker 2: Congress that has to sign off on this, and the
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Speaker 2: admirles who then must make it all happen can readily
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Speaker 2: see that our bloke is persona on GRADA. Now, for
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Speaker 2: good reason, I might add that he is persona on
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Speaker 2: Grada or much of this. I side with the Americans,
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Speaker 2: but don't let the justifications here belike the gravity of
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Speaker 2: the rift.
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Speaker 3: This is serious.
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Speaker 2: Now, Aucus, the most important defense agreement since the Answers Tree,
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Speaker 2: if some say perhaps since bigger than even Ansers itself,
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Speaker 2: is at risk because our prime minister is not mature
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Speaker 2: enough to do what every other prime minister before him
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Speaker 2: has done, and that's make an official visit to the
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Speaker 2: White House.
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Speaker 3: Now it's not hard.
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Speaker 2: Every PM I can think of has done it, whether
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Speaker 2: the incumbent in the White House was of their political
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Speaker 2: persuasion or not. But not so Alban Easy, the hard
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Speaker 2: left student politician who's never really grown up. We can
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Speaker 2: see it in the way he can't get to Beijing
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Speaker 2: fast enough to faward over the Chinese dictator Jijingping, making
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Speaker 2: two such pilgrimages to our communist admastries and yet apparently
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Speaker 2: not able to find the Oval Office on a map.
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Speaker 3: In announcing the.
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Speaker 2: President's schedule, the White House Press Secretary made it clear
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Speaker 2: Australia would not be granted a face to face meeting,
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Speaker 2: while many others would.
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Speaker 4: The President will also be hosting bilateral meetings with the
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Speaker 4: UN Secretary General and the leaders of Ukraine, Argentina in
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Speaker 4: the European Union. The President will also later in the
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Speaker 4: day hold a multilateral meeting with Katar, the Kingdom of
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Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt, the UAE and Jordan.
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Speaker 2: I think that makes what three Oval Office face to
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Speaker 2: faces fit Ukraine. At the same time too, Carolyn Levitt
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Speaker 2: made it clear the president's thoughts on countries like Australia
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Speaker 2: that moved to recognize a Palestinian state before the hostages
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Speaker 2: were released or peace had come to the region.
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Speaker 4: As for all of these Western nations that are recognizing
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Speaker 4: a Palestinian state, the President has been very clear he
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Speaker 4: disagrees with this decision. He spoke about that in the
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Speaker 4: UK standing right next to his friend Prime Minister Starmer
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Speaker 4: and he feels this does not do anything to release
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Speaker 4: the hostages, which is the primary goal right now, in
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Speaker 4: does nothing to end this conflict and bring this war
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Speaker 4: to a clause. And frankly, he believes it's a reward
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Speaker 4: to Hamas. So he believes these decisions are just more
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Speaker 4: talk and not enough faction from some of our friends
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Speaker 4: and allies.
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Speaker 2: An urpm's un speech likening the creation of the Jewish
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Speaker 2: state to the Palestinian people's desire for a homeland, given
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Speaker 2: that Israel was founded in the wake of the Holocaust
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Speaker 2: and their connection the Jews connection to the lands they
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Speaker 2: live on now goes back thousands and thousands of years,
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Speaker 2: was deeply insulting.
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Speaker 5: Recognizing the aspirations of the Palestinian people is about more
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Speaker 5: than a seat, a voice, and a vote in the
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Speaker 5: councils of the world. It is about real hope for
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Speaker 5: a place to call home. This is the same hope
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Speaker 5: that sustained generations of Jewish people.
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Speaker 2: In response, the government's boosters said that perhaps the lack
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Speaker 2: of a presidential meeting was no bad thing. In fact,
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Speaker 2: it was a good thing, given that we already had
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Speaker 2: a better tariff deal than almost anyone else.
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Speaker 6: I think we should say this is a good thing,
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Speaker 6: because it means that the president who's been meeting with
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Speaker 6: world leaders to try and reach agreements on trade policy,
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Speaker 6: he's trying to do deals with other nations around tariff's
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Speaker 6: and trade policy. He doesn't need to do that with Australia.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Matt, this or wait, you are
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Speaker 2: a goose. If some staff handed me those lines, I
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Speaker 2: just refuse to repeat them.
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Speaker 3: It's just not credible.
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Speaker 2: Later on today, Labor went from saying no meeting is
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Speaker 2: a good thing those stupid lines I just mentioned, to
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Speaker 2: saying we might get one anyway.
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Speaker 3: Wait for it.
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Speaker 2: At a reception that Trump will host for some one
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Speaker 2: hundred or more heads of.
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Speaker 7: Government, Anthony Albanezi will meet Donald Trump briefly for the
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Speaker 7: first time. He is about a hundred world leaders going
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Speaker 7: to a reception on Tuesday night in New York that
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump is hosting.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're kidding me.
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Speaker 2: I've meant to more of these international shindings, and I've
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Speaker 2: had hot dinners.
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Speaker 3: Any idea that you're.
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Speaker 2: Going to have a serious discussion in a room like
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Speaker 2: that that Donald Trump and Anthony Albaneze will even find
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Speaker 2: themselves in.
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Speaker 3: A packed reception. Well, that's not a meeting.
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Speaker 2: You can't discuss anything sensitive or important in a room
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Speaker 2: like that, and to try and spin otherwise is just desperation.
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Speaker 2: Now from the Albanezy Office, Australia warrants serious sit down
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Speaker 2: meeting with the man who leads the government that frankly
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Speaker 2: has our future security in its hands. That's why the
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Speaker 2: PM has to deal with his Trump phobia and request
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Speaker 2: the formal meeting in the Oval Office that every one
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Speaker 2: of his predecessors has had, and not to shirk tough conversations,
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Speaker 2: including about Orcus the King Charles clearly has had. But
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Speaker 2: our Republican PM is squibbing now. Frankly, this also is
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Speaker 2: where Kevin runs letting us down. If the PM had
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Speaker 2: no anti Trump history, it wouldn't matter that our ambassador had.
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Speaker 2: But the fact that our PM has this anti Trump
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Speaker 2: history as does our ambassador, well this is a huge
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Speaker 2: problem for Australia. This administration's got a long, long memory.
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Speaker 2: It remembers casual insults and it expects people to make amends.
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Speaker 2: Kir Starm has done this to the long term benefit
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Speaker 2: of the UK US relationship, and it just goes to
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Speaker 2: show you how much doesn't it on so many levels.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi is a little man. He's a man who's
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Speaker 2: never grown up much beyond his student days as a
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Speaker 2: political radical, who marched for Palestine and had his head
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Speaker 2: turned by Marxism and communism. If only getting a meeting
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Speaker 2: with the president was as easy as ripping off his lines.
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Speaker 5: In Australia, we have serious challenges to solve and we
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Speaker 5: need serious people to solve them. Unfortunately, Tony Abbott is
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Speaker 5: not the least bit interested in fixing anything.
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Speaker 8: We have serious problems to solve and we need serious
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Speaker 8: people to solve them. Bob Rumson is not the least
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Speaker 8: bit interested in solving.
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Speaker 5: He's only interested in two things, making strains afraid of
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Speaker 5: it and telling them who's to blame for it.
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Speaker 8: He is interested in two things and two things only,
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Speaker 8: making you afraid of it and telling you who's the
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Speaker 8: blame for it.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister makes the case for recognizing Palestine on
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Speaker 9: the floor of the UN.
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Speaker 5: We must choose a different path. We must break this
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Speaker 5: cycle of violence and build something better.
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Speaker 2: When you have terrorists cheering on your foreign policy and
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Speaker 2: you have your major ally, the US, condemning that action,
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Speaker 2: you must know got it wrong.
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Speaker 9: The White House has left Australia off the list of
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Speaker 9: countries slated to meet Donald Trump in New York.
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Speaker 2: I've got no doubt that at some point in the
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Speaker 2: near future there'll be a meeting.
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Speaker 9: At two hundred and forty six days in counting, Anthony
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Speaker 9: Albernezi has waited much longer than his predecessors. In the
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Speaker 9: last decade, On average, the meeting with the US President
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Speaker 9: has taken eighty two days at Australia's health regulator is
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Speaker 9: reassuring women it's still safe to take paracetamol during pregnancy.
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Speaker 9: It follows Donald Trump publicly linking the medication to increased autism.
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Speaker 6: S Barbie wants to be very careful with what he says,
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Speaker 6: and he shaid, but I'm not so careful with what
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Speaker 6: I say.
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Speaker 9: The Therapeutic Goods Administration confirms it has no current active
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Speaker 9: safety investigations for paracetamol and autism or paracetamol and neuro
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Speaker 9: developmental disorders. Will broadly Trudy McIntosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All Right, GREGN.
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Speaker 2: Sheridan's coming up as we weigh into the formal rejection
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Speaker 2: today of a Trump al an easy meeting by the
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Speaker 2: White House, and who'd have thought this? The coming explosion
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Speaker 2: in artificial intelligence could be the one thing that will
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Speaker 2: force a rethink of Australia's energy madness. We'll get the
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Speaker 2: latest here with Graham Lloyd. But first of all, that
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Speaker 2: Ramos Optus and the IT failures last week attributable to
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Speaker 2: multiple depths in WA South Australia and the NT is
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Speaker 2: ongoing experts swarting today that the parent company Singtel may
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Speaker 2: even reconsider its Australian presence as trust in.
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Speaker 3: The Telco collapses.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel now, former Liberal Mpeter Cole
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Speaker 2: Flint and Sky News contributor Jamie Rodgers. Well, Nick, you're
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Speaker 2: South Australian. I know this has been huge news and
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Speaker 2: absolutely in the headlines over there. What staggers me is
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Speaker 2: just for people at home in the constitution communications, so
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Speaker 2: telecommunications is squarely in the remit of the federal government. Now,
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Speaker 2: there was a report in twenty twenty three the last
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Speaker 2: time there was these Optus breakdowns. It recommended eighteen urgent changes.
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Speaker 2: Only twelve have been made. But there was one around
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Speaker 2: all these new protections for triple zero calls that was
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Speaker 2: never adopted. Hasn't happened now, given the Federal government, as
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Speaker 2: I say, regulates communications, yes this is an Optus problem,
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Speaker 2: but absolutely this is a big problem for labor.
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Speaker 10: It certainly isn't. What is most distressing, Peter is that
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Speaker 10: this was a preventable tragedy and at least four people
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Speaker 10: have paid with their lives because they couldn't access Triple
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Speaker 10: zero in an emergency when they needed to. What I
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Speaker 10: find extraordinarily concerning is that the relevant Minister for Communications
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Speaker 10: and even the Prime Minister should have been tracking this
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Speaker 10: very carefully because we had the review back in twenty
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Speaker 10: twenty three that had the recommendations. Surely that should have
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Speaker 10: been the first thing on the Minister for Communications checklist
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Speaker 10: every week, following up with the departments, AKMA, the relevant
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Speaker 10: authority saying where is the review up? To have all
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Speaker 10: of the telcos got the right practices in place to
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Speaker 10: ensure that nobody is ever stranded without access to triple zero. Peter,
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Speaker 10: we know that most people these days.
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Speaker 3: Don't even have a landline.
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Speaker 10: Everyone is reliant on their mobile phone. Optus had this
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Speaker 10: problem back in twenty twenty three, when two thousand Australians
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Speaker 10: couldn't access Triple zero it's now happened again. Why has
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Speaker 10: the alban Ezy Labor government not been holding every single
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Speaker 10: telco and the relevant authorities to account to make sure
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Speaker 10: the recommendations of this report that's now almost two years
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Speaker 10: old were implemented. Why haven't they been and what consequences
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Speaker 10: will there be both for the government, for Optus and
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Speaker 10: for the relevant author because this is just a devastating
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Speaker 10: and preventable tragedy.
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Speaker 3: And look, it's not just Optus.
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Speaker 2: So if you're not one of the affected states, don't
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Speaker 2: think you're okay. Because in Victoria, Triple zero Victoria, the
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Speaker 2: body that runs at Triple zero line all they've been
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Speaker 2: left desperately under staff. They've had budget cuts, wait times
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Speaker 2: have blown out, staff are reportedly struggling to cope. This
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Speaker 2: is just four years after the service in Victoria Triple
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Speaker 2: zero collapsed under pressure during the pandemic and sadly there too,
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Speaker 2: there was a loss of life. Jamie the PM said
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Speaker 2: on Monday that failures at OPTAs were unacceptable. So what
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Speaker 2: does he say to just into Alan because four years
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Speaker 2: ago this happened in Victoria and at four years on
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Speaker 2: now she's cutting to the bone funding for Triple zero
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Speaker 2: this is a ticking time bomb in Victoria.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, certainly, is it. Peter, Well, as you said, Albert
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Speaker 11: was very quick to come out and talk about optics.
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Speaker 3: But correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 11: I'm yet to see him come out and say anything
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Speaker 11: about what the Allen government's decision is here, and I
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Speaker 11: find it staggering. Have they not learned anything from the
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Speaker 11: past disaster where we saw long wait times resulted in
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Speaker 11: thirty three people passing away and this was at the
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Speaker 11: back end of COVID. And now when you look at Victorians,
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Speaker 11: they're having a weight time of roughly around one minute
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Speaker 11: to be able to connect to an ambulance caller, and
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Speaker 11: you think it's just a disaster waiting to happen. We've
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Speaker 11: had whistleblowers say that Heaven forbid that there's a big
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Speaker 11: disaster day or just a busy Monday because they physically
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Speaker 11: cannot handle the services. And I think this is just
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Speaker 11: the Allen government are not putting Victorians first, and this
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Speaker 11: is just a disaster waiting to happen.
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Speaker 2: This debate out in the United States with Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: announcing that pregnant women should dramatically limit the use of
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Speaker 2: paracetamol and his press conference. He refers to the brand
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Speaker 2: name Tyl and Old. That's what parastamol is in the States.
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Speaker 2: The risky is that it raises the risk. This is
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Speaker 2: the warning of autism in babies.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Our regulator in Australia, independent of government, is the Therapeutic
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Speaker 2: Goods Administration.
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Speaker 3: Association this TGA.
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Speaker 2: It's said today that paracetamol remains a pregnancy category A
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Speaker 2: drug so considered safe to use, and it's gone on
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Speaker 2: to say it's got no current active safety investigations for
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Speaker 2: paracetamol and autism or paracetamol and neuro developmental disorders. More broadly,
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Speaker 2: Nick Coatesworth, forming a Deputy Chief Medical Officer, has written
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Speaker 2: today that paracetamol he thinks is safe for use in pregnancy,
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Speaker 2: but he stopped short of any suggestion this is policy
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Speaker 2: on the run. Some as some others have from the
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Speaker 2: Trump administration, have a listen.
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Speaker 1: This is not the first time this link has been raised.
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Speaker 1: President Trump and his health advisors are not the first
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Speaker 1: people to do. This isn't crank science. This has been
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Speaker 1: looked at before, and there are some studies which show
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Speaker 1: a small risk association and many studies that do not.
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Speaker 2: So I want to pay both sides of the argument there,
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Speaker 2: because some have said, you know, this isn't backed by science.
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Speaker 2: I think we can trust Nick Coatesworth there. I guess
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Speaker 2: what concerns me Nick is this is an area where
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Speaker 2: once we allow something to be used by pregnant women,
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Speaker 2: it has huge ramifications. And Nick Coatesworth said in another
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Speaker 2: interview I listened to that once we say something's okay
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Speaker 2: to use, we should always keep testing it to be
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Speaker 2: sure it stays safe. Now, if there are question marks
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Speaker 2: over the use of paracetable to whatever degree, then why
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Speaker 2: can't the TGA do another investigation and be absolutely confident
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Speaker 2: tell everyone in Australia it is absolutely safe and they
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Speaker 2: reject the advice in the.
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Speaker 3: United States.
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Speaker 10: Precisely, I think that that would be warranted Peter, and
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Speaker 10: I think that also how hard is it for the
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Speaker 10: TGA to do a quick literature review. There have obviously
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Speaker 10: been a range of studies into whether paracetamol is safety
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Speaker 10: or not safe or not, especially forgnant pregnant women. And
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Speaker 10: given that it is so freely available, not just over
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Speaker 10: the counter at a pharmacy but on supermarket shelves, this
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Speaker 10: is something everyone can access. So given that how easy
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Speaker 10: it is to access paracetamol. It is of the utmost
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Speaker 10: importance that we are all that we are all reassured
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Speaker 10: that it's safe for women and babies. However, and that's
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Speaker 10: where I come back to the studies and Nick Nick
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Speaker 10: Coatesworth is referred to. You know, there being a lot
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Speaker 10: of studies saying that paracetamol is safe, a few are
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Speaker 10: saying that it's not as safe. Do the literature review, because, Peter,
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Speaker 10: what I do not want to see is another generation
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Speaker 10: of women not able to access medication, just like happened
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Speaker 10: with women and HRT when there was a single credited
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Speaker 10: study that said HRT would lead to increased risk of
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Speaker 10: breast cancer, and so several generations of women did not
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Speaker 10: get the hormonal treatment that they deserved and suffered in
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Speaker 10: absolute agony and silence. So let's just get the science
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Speaker 10: right and make sure women get the right information.
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Speaker 2: And of course we also know that ourminicos aren't always right. Eventually,
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Speaker 2: thankfully some of them do make the admissions that they
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Speaker 2: should have made a lot earlier. Listen to this from
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Speaker 2: Victoria's former Chief Health Officer, Professor Brent Sutton, about decisions
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Speaker 2: he made during COVID.
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Speaker 6: Do we really need to go through the elbow show?
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Speaker 12: We dained, but was it necessary? No, it was probably
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Speaker 12: never necessary. And then look, they're the things that we
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Speaker 12: learn as we go. That was the paradigm that we
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Speaker 12: lived in, and through influenza pandemics and through you know,
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Speaker 12: one hundred years of understanding infectious diseases. We had overemphasized
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Speaker 12: the idea that it'll pass through surfaces or handshakes or
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Speaker 12: droplet spread, when the reality was it's in our breath.
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Speaker 2: I mean, looking in there, sitting in his hoodie, just
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Speaker 2: you know, rolling off his tongue, that he got it
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Speaker 2: wrong on so many levels. I know personally, people who
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Speaker 2: lost children to suicide during this terrible time in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: We railed against these policies, Jamie, anyone in Victoria who
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Speaker 2: lived through it, all the thousands of Victoria and who
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Speaker 2: marched in the streets. We were told that we were
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Speaker 2: all sorts of terrible names under the sun, that we
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Speaker 2: didn't get the science.
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Speaker 3: But we have never had a.
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Speaker 2: Proper inquiry into COVID, and people like Sutton who now
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Speaker 2: admit none of this was required, or a lot of
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Speaker 2: this was not required in the first place, have never
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Speaker 2: faced the consequences.
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Speaker 3: They should face.
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Speaker 11: Your spot on there, Peter, And I think it really
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Speaker 11: highlights when you're watching interviews like we just saw the
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Speaker 11: stipper there of Bret Sutton where he's sitting there casual
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Speaker 11: and relaxed with a smile on his face. And we
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Speaker 11: deserve to have that National Royal commission into what happened
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Speaker 11: and the steps that were taken to also ensure that
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Speaker 11: it's never done again. And I know Brett Sutton did
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Speaker 11: say in that interview that they wouldn't be taking measures
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Speaker 11: like what they did last time because he didn't think
21:16
Speaker 11: Victorians would be as obedient and do it. You know
21:19
Speaker 11: in Victoria, you guys were in lockdown for two hundred
21:21
Speaker 11: and sixty two days. But he wasn't able to talk
21:24
Speaker 11: about looking down the playgrounds and that five kilometer ring
21:28
Speaker 11: of steel. And we now know about those emails that
21:31
Speaker 11: came out and said it wasn't based on health advice
21:33
Speaker 11: that you had that nighttime curfew. So as these things
21:35
Speaker 11: all come out, it's destroyed people's lives for generations. Do
21:38
Speaker 11: you hear reports that children didn't want to go back
21:41
Speaker 11: to school, They've struggled with social aspects and social anxiety
21:44
Speaker 11: off the back of being isolated for such a long time.
21:47
Speaker 11: So there's been all these ramifications off the back of
21:50
Speaker 11: these huge decisions that were made. And on Kenny's program
21:53
Speaker 11: before they showed a clip of Premier Daniel Andrews where
21:57
Speaker 11: he said, you can't even lift your master to have
21:59
Speaker 11: a sip of out a whole while you're outside. I mean,
22:02
Speaker 11: you look back on that and you think it's just outrageous,
22:04
Speaker 11: and we deserve to have an inquiry into it, and
22:06
Speaker 11: we deserve to see people held to account that put
22:09
Speaker 11: us through such a terrible time.
22:13
Speaker 2: Well ill lo, Yeah, I tell you what, it's still
22:14
Speaker 2: a scarf of Victorians. A lot of us don't even
22:17
Speaker 2: want to talk about COVID. We can't revisit those two
22:20
Speaker 2: lost years. But I think in public policy terms, we
22:23
Speaker 2: cannot ever let it happen again. And the problem I
22:26
Speaker 2: have there is no blueprint anymore. They junk the pandemic Plan.
22:30
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, Josh Friedenberg jumped junked the pandemic plan Nicole,
22:35
Speaker 2: as you well know, and the federal government we're as
22:38
Speaker 2: much in bed with the Victorians on this now. We
22:40
Speaker 2: do not have a plan. Should this ever happen again.
22:43
Speaker 2: And there's all these moves by federal Labor to adopt
22:47
Speaker 2: basically a World Health Organization strategy, which would be a
22:51
Speaker 2: nightmare for this country. So I will come back to
22:54
Speaker 2: this in some depth tomorrow night, but I'll leave it there.
22:56
Speaker 3: Thank you both.
22:57
Speaker 2: Let's return now to the massive snub of Anthony Albertezi
23:01
Speaker 2: by Donald Trump, and before Labor tries to spin this,
23:05
Speaker 2: have usten to the country's leaders that Trump will meet with.
23:10
Speaker 4: The President will also be hosting bilateral meetings with the
23:14
Speaker 4: UN Secretary General and the leaders of Ukraine, Argentina, and
23:19
Speaker 4: the European Union. The President will also later in the
23:22
Speaker 4: day hold a multilateral meeting with Katar, the Kingdom of
23:26
Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt, the UAE, and Jordan.
23:36
Speaker 2: It's a joke. Let's bring in Greg Sheridan to discuss
23:38
Speaker 2: this now.
23:39
Speaker 3: Greg, thank you. I mean everything I've.
23:42
Speaker 2: Heard from Labor is spin. We don't really need a meeting.
23:46
Speaker 2: It's actually a good thing that we're not having a meeting.
23:48
Speaker 3: Now.
23:48
Speaker 2: We're apparently having a meeting at a reception for one
23:52
Speaker 2: hundred other world leaders. As if you can do a
23:55
Speaker 2: pull aside and discuss something like Orcus and nuclear submarine
23:59
Speaker 2: acquisition among every other leader of the world. I mean,
24:02
Speaker 2: is it going to follow him into the toilet.
24:04
Speaker 3: We've got to the.
24:05
Speaker 2: Point of high fast, and clearly this isn't about a
24:08
Speaker 2: diary clash anymore. This is about persona non grata status
24:12
Speaker 2: for Albanesi.
24:14
Speaker 13: Yes, Peter, it's great to be with you, and you're
24:17
Speaker 13: absolutely right. This is a comprehensive mismanagement of the critically
24:21
Speaker 13: important US relationship by Anthony Albanesi. The Albanzi government is
24:27
Speaker 13: governing in fantasyland things where it can have no effect
24:31
Speaker 13: at all, Palestine and global warming. It grandstands things which
24:37
Speaker 13: vitally concern our national interest, mutual defense treaties with Papal,
24:41
Speaker 13: New Guinea, security agreements with Banuwatu, preventing the Chinese from
24:45
Speaker 13: having their security agreement with Banuartu. It cannot perform at all.
24:51
Speaker 13: So we cannot bend port Vila to our will, We
24:54
Speaker 13: cannot secure an audience with our great ally, but we
24:58
Speaker 13: can apparently solve the Palestine problem. This is a government
25:02
Speaker 13: which is abdicating core national interests. And Trump is a
25:06
Speaker 13: very tricky and difficult customer, but he is the President
25:09
Speaker 13: of the United States. We need to have a relationship
25:12
Speaker 13: and influence with him. We want the alliance to survive.
25:15
Speaker 13: We want the Americans to be active in our region.
25:18
Speaker 13: We want the relationship to be as good as it
25:20
Speaker 13: can be. While Trump's there and Alberanezi has just taken
25:23
Speaker 13: a holiday from history.
25:27
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's so shallow on foreign affairs. I mentioned
25:31
Speaker 2: at the top of the show. I think there's a
25:33
Speaker 2: real smallness about the Prime minister, intellectual smallness on the
25:39
Speaker 2: global stage. How do we move past this? Because you're right,
25:43
Speaker 2: we can't even kind of deal with Daniwatu. We've got
25:46
Speaker 2: our former colony of PNNG calling the shots with Beijing.
25:51
Speaker 2: We can't get in the Oval Office. I don't think
25:52
Speaker 2: we've even tried actually to get an Oval Office meeting
25:54
Speaker 2: because he's too scared of the optics of that. But
25:56
Speaker 2: we can't get to sit down with the president two
26:00
Speaker 2: seventy odd days. Now, how do we get it back
26:02
Speaker 2: on track here?
26:04
Speaker 13: Well, the government has to concentrate on matters of substance
26:09
Speaker 13: that embody our core national interests and forget about it's
26:14
Speaker 13: silly symbolism. Albanese's position on Palestine is probably essentially the
26:18
Speaker 13: same position he had when he was an undergraduate at
26:20
Speaker 13: Sydney University a thousand years ago. But that's not governing
26:26
Speaker 13: Australia now. It may well be that recognizing a Palestinian
26:30
Speaker 13: state contributed to Trump deciding not to meet Alberanesi this week,
26:36
Speaker 13: but this isn't just a social snub for Albanesi. This
26:39
Speaker 13: is a message to everyone in Asia and to the
26:42
Speaker 13: whole world that Australia doesn't count with the Americans. Now
26:47
Speaker 13: we have, as we've talked about many times Peter, almost
26:51
Speaker 13: nil military capability of our own, no ability to defend ourselves,
26:55
Speaker 13: no independent satellites, no missiles, no missile defenses, hopeless. We
26:59
Speaker 13: can completely dependent on the Americans, and now we can't
27:02
Speaker 13: even secure a meeting. Trump has taken the decision that
27:07
Speaker 13: he has no interest in Albanesi and that he no
27:10
Speaker 13: he places no value in anything that Albanese might say
27:13
Speaker 13: to him, or any relationship with him whatsoever. Not since
27:17
Speaker 13: Goff Whitlam's disastrous prime ministership in the nineteen seventies have
27:21
Speaker 13: we had such a lack of influence with a Washington administration. Meanwhile,
27:26
Speaker 13: our regional situation is going from bad to worse, and
27:30
Speaker 13: the government, instead of addressing these issues, just lives in
27:34
Speaker 13: a fantasyland.
27:38
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about all the hyperventilating today
27:41
Speaker 2: about the fact that the Israeli Foreign Minister had a
27:44
Speaker 2: phone conversation with Susan Lee and that it was initiated by.
27:48
Speaker 3: The Natanyahu government.
27:50
Speaker 2: Now, I personally don't find it remarkable at all that
27:54
Speaker 2: the opposition leader should speak to the Israeli Foreign Minister.
27:58
Speaker 2: I think more people in our parliament and speak to
28:00
Speaker 2: the Israelis. Frankly, in fact, more mp should get off
28:03
Speaker 2: their backsides and go and visit Israel as well. But
28:07
Speaker 2: given that we have a different position to the government,
28:10
Speaker 2: given with indicated that we would overturn this commentary at
28:14
Speaker 2: the United Nations is recognition at the United Nations. I
28:17
Speaker 2: think it's fair enough that they have a one on
28:20
Speaker 2: one conversation to see I guess the extent of Susan
28:24
Speaker 2: Lee's position, But the government then going after Susan Lee
28:28
Speaker 2: and demanding that she should be bipartisan. That this is
28:32
Speaker 2: an Australian position now, even though the Opposition has always
28:37
Speaker 2: opposed it, and I think many Australians oppose it.
28:40
Speaker 3: I think that's frankly out of line.
28:45
Speaker 13: Oh, it's just absurd, Peter, It's just absurd. Labor has
28:48
Speaker 13: had a resolution to recognize the Palestinian state when it
28:52
Speaker 13: was bipartisan Australian policy not to recognize the Palestinian state
28:56
Speaker 13: until one came about at the end point of negoshas
29:00
Speaker 13: so was the Labor Party therefore an Australian to have
29:04
Speaker 13: that resolution opposed to then government policy. This is utterly ludicrous.
29:09
Speaker 13: You must have bipartisanism on the most basic strategic things,
29:13
Speaker 13: such as the importance of the American Alliance or commitment
29:16
Speaker 13: to democracy or something.
29:18
Speaker 3: But it is.
29:18
Speaker 13: Labor which has shattered decades of bipartisan policy which was
29:22
Speaker 13: to support it to state solution at the end point
29:26
Speaker 13: of negotiations between the parties, namely the Palestinians and the Israelis.
29:30
Speaker 13: So Labor has shattered a decades long bipartisan position. And really,
29:36
Speaker 13: what on earth do they think is the harm in
29:39
Speaker 13: Susan Lee saying to everyone what she's saying in Australia
29:43
Speaker 13: that she doesn't support that changed Labor position, that repudiation
29:49
Speaker 13: of their long standing Australian position. Now I'm myself am
29:54
Speaker 13: critical of recent net and Yahoo government policy, but no
29:58
Speaker 13: criticism of the Israelian government justifies recognizing a Palestinian state
30:03
Speaker 13: when no such state exists. Good on Susan Lee. I mean,
30:07
Speaker 13: the more initiative like this she shows, the better and
30:10
Speaker 13: if it annoys the government, well and good. That's great
30:13
Speaker 13: because you get good policy by having biggerous debate. And
30:16
Speaker 13: she is perfectly entitled to proclaim her policy on a
30:21
Speaker 13: matter like this where there is intense partisan disagreement, just
30:25
Speaker 13: as Labor always did in opposition as well.
30:30
Speaker 2: Listen, let's not forget it took Alberezi a long time
30:32
Speaker 2: to have a conversation with Vivinette Yahoo in the aftermath
30:35
Speaker 2: of October seven. It's good to see that there's dialogue,
30:38
Speaker 2: at least with the opposition.
30:40
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, Greg, thank you.
30:42
Speaker 2: After the break, we'll go back to the U end
30:43
Speaker 2: of this time with Chris Bowen, who is spooking his
30:46
Speaker 2: climate credentials on the world stage. Last we told the
30:50
Speaker 2: rest of the world's forging the same path with us
30:53
Speaker 2: at Climate Week. Well that's a false claim, doesn't stack up.
30:57
Speaker 2: We'll get to that after the break.
31:03
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
31:03
Speaker 2: Still the k'm a cracking good Blobe. Toby Young, now
31:06
Speaker 2: Lord Young. He's a free speech campaigner and he's out
31:10
Speaker 2: here from the UK. We'll get his views on the
31:12
Speaker 2: E Safety Commissioner and what he and I both think
31:15
Speaker 2: is a very coordinated global effort to shut down free speech.
31:20
Speaker 2: But first, Chris Bowens used Climate Week in New York
31:23
Speaker 2: at the UN to promote Australia as use seventy percent
31:26
Speaker 2: twenty thirty five emissions reduction targets. He says it's ambitious
31:31
Speaker 2: but achievable, but never mind the details.
31:36
Speaker 14: Australia has just presented our nationally determined contribution to the
31:40
Speaker 14: unf Triple c of A cup in emissions by twenty
31:44
Speaker 14: thirty five of sixty two to seventy percent, a target
31:48
Speaker 14: we regard as ambitious but also achievable, hard work, not automatic.
31:52
Speaker 14: Won't be easy, but achievable, which is the key thing.
31:57
Speaker 2: You're just like it at six o'clock and I can't
31:59
Speaker 2: tell you what I'll really think about that bloke, gentlemen
32:01
Speaker 2: now on the detail, though, I will leave the personal
32:03
Speaker 2: insults to one side. Environment editor at The Australian, Graham Lloyd.
32:09
Speaker 2: I don't know where to start. I mean, every day
32:10
Speaker 2: I talk about Chris Bowen, I want to pull my
32:12
Speaker 2: hair out. Is there spreaking that somehow we have this
32:16
Speaker 2: clean energy revolution going on in Australia, that we're leading
32:21
Speaker 2: the world, you know, whatever it takes, whatever it costs.
32:25
Speaker 2: Absolutely obsessed with the optics of climate politics over the
32:29
Speaker 2: day to day living standards of everyday Australians. We are
32:33
Speaker 2: so far ahead of the world here Graham, that we
32:36
Speaker 2: are industrializing when about one percent of the problem, if
32:42
Speaker 2: there is a problem, is Australia's. I mean, how's that
32:46
Speaker 2: anything to be proud of?
32:50
Speaker 5: That?
32:50
Speaker 15: Truygle Peter, Well, this is the hard sell now from
32:54
Speaker 15: the federal government on the international stage to try and
32:58
Speaker 15: get their way with holding conference and other things. And
33:02
Speaker 15: we're seeing the truth that Chris Bowen is. They're saying
33:04
Speaker 15: we are taking a maximum effort, we're leading the world,
33:09
Speaker 15: and at home the messages the reverse that we're behind,
33:13
Speaker 15: we need to catch up and we should measure ourselves
33:16
Speaker 15: poorly against other places. I think it's becoming increasingly obvious
33:21
Speaker 15: that Australia is setting very high targets. It's now being
33:28
Speaker 15: loose with the detail on how they're going to be
33:30
Speaker 15: achieved or what they involved and this is all going
33:34
Speaker 15: to catch up with them quite quickly.
33:39
Speaker 10: Here.
33:39
Speaker 2: You're right, you know, they're saying one thing overseas and
33:42
Speaker 2: they're trying to get another thing to fly here at home.
33:46
Speaker 3: But it's flim flam.
33:48
Speaker 2: I mean, last Thursday the Prime Minister had a whole
33:50
Speaker 2: lot to say about where we sit with other nations
33:53
Speaker 2: in the world, particularly the Europeans.
33:56
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
33:57
Speaker 5: It's also consistent with the Clean Union have just announced
34:01
Speaker 5: over the next twenty four hours, I'll we're considering a
34:05
Speaker 5: target range between sixty three and seventy percent. This is ambitious,
34:10
Speaker 5: but it's achievable.
34:14
Speaker 2: Well, I might have considered it, but the junctive they're
34:17
Speaker 2: not giving firm targets like we stupidly are. They'll only
34:20
Speaker 2: announce and intent. And of course we can't measure ourselves
34:24
Speaker 2: against the European intent because they're in their mixed grame.
34:28
Speaker 3: Of course they've got nuclear.
34:31
Speaker 15: Yes they do. They drive peed and this backsliding really
34:36
Speaker 15: characterizes what's happening with the whole process. Under the Paris Agreement,
34:42
Speaker 15: countries are obliged to update their targets, if you like,
34:46
Speaker 15: every five years, but very few have gone anywhere near
34:51
Speaker 15: meeting what their expectations were last time around, so they're
34:55
Speaker 15: way more cautious this time. So we're seeing an aspir
35:00
Speaker 15: on the part of the EU rather than of pix
35:03
Speaker 15: target and that's in recognition that they've got no idea
35:06
Speaker 15: how they're going to achieve it.
35:09
Speaker 3: Of course they don't.
35:10
Speaker 2: And what did you make of the comments by Obama's
35:13
Speaker 2: form Energy secretary. I mean, give it, he's a Democrat appointment?
35:18
Speaker 3: Did it? Alban Easy?
35:20
Speaker 2: And Bowen might listen to him on new clout.
35:25
Speaker 15: Well, this is the thing. I mean, when the Democrats
35:29
Speaker 15: in the US are telling you to cool your heels
35:31
Speaker 15: on climate change action, you know you're certainly out there.
35:35
Speaker 15: He's making a very good point. He's saying you need
35:39
Speaker 15: to consider all options and don't get too far ahead
35:42
Speaker 15: of the pack. That what we're seeing is a pushback
35:47
Speaker 15: from people in other parts of the world. We're seeing
35:50
Speaker 15: dislocation here around the sighting of renewables and the extent
35:54
Speaker 15: of the rollout, and this is all building into something quite.
35:58
Speaker 3: Ugly just quickly.
36:01
Speaker 2: I know Bowen would love us to host next year's
36:04
Speaker 2: UN Climate Talkfest.
36:06
Speaker 3: Turkey is in the mix.
36:08
Speaker 2: They were pushed out because they were meant to host
36:10
Speaker 2: it during COVID.
36:11
Speaker 3: It didn't happen.
36:12
Speaker 2: They're refusing though, to withdraw their nomination. Please tell me
36:16
Speaker 2: they're going to save us from spending millions and millions
36:18
Speaker 2: and I'll get it.
36:22
Speaker 15: Well, the clocks running down, I can't see either side
36:26
Speaker 15: particularly giving up, and that means it would go to bond.
36:31
Speaker 15: Of course, you have to look at the transactional nature
36:33
Speaker 15: of the whole thing. Turkey is, of course the country
36:36
Speaker 15: that has argued before the unf Triple C that it
36:41
Speaker 15: can't be considered a developed country because it needs to
36:45
Speaker 15: be a recipient of climb and aid. They are now
36:48
Speaker 15: at the final hurdle and look, there's probably a deal
36:52
Speaker 15: to be done and that will be costing Australian taxpayers.
36:56
Speaker 2: If it is, yeahhundreds of millions of dollars. I'll leave
37:02
Speaker 2: it there gram right after the break, the free speech campaigners'
37:06
Speaker 2: views on Jimmy Kinnimal, the un Now, our safety, Karen
37:12
Speaker 2: here in Australia, and a whole lot more. Welcome back
37:21
Speaker 2: Tomorrow night in Melbourne, the Robert Mensis Institute will host
37:24
Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty five or ration and it will be
37:26
Speaker 2: delivered this year by Critical thinker, writer and the founder
37:30
Speaker 2: of the Free Speech Union in the UK, Lord Toby
37:33
Speaker 2: Young of ACTEM. It's set to be an intriguing foray,
37:38
Speaker 2: particularly given all the topical issues that we face in
37:41
Speaker 2: the West. But obviously what we've seen happened with Charlie
37:44
Speaker 2: Kirk and the aftermath. What will also be looked at
37:48
Speaker 2: very closely is the new laws in the United Kingdom,
37:52
Speaker 2: the challenge free speech. I'm pleased to say, Toby Young
37:56
Speaker 2: joins me. Now we're going to start this chat to
37:59
Speaker 2: remind I guess my viewers, but to ensure you're across
38:02
Speaker 2: what our Safety Commissioner has had to say at Davos
38:07
Speaker 2: about the whole issue of regulating the Internet.
38:09
Speaker 16: Have listen, we are finding ourselves in a place where
38:15
Speaker 16: we have increasing polarization everywhere, and everything feels binary when
38:20
Speaker 16: it doesn't need to be so. I think we're going
38:22
Speaker 16: to have to think about a recalibration of a whole
38:24
Speaker 16: range of human rights that are playing out online, you know,
38:27
Speaker 16: from freedom of spreech to the freedom you know, to
38:31
Speaker 16: be free from online violence, or the right of data
38:35
Speaker 16: protection to the right to child dignity.
38:42
Speaker 2: It feels like there's a coordinated global push, predominantly obviously
38:46
Speaker 2: by the left, to police what we think and what
38:50
Speaker 2: we say, particularly online or am I a conspiracy theorist.
38:55
Speaker 3: No.
38:55
Speaker 17: I think that does seem to be a global push,
38:58
Speaker 17: and we've seen the same laws being rolled out against
39:02
Speaker 17: myths and disinformation hate speech across the English speaking world,
39:06
Speaker 17: even in some European countries, in Brazil and often. The
39:11
Speaker 17: argument made is the same argument that the e Safety
39:14
Speaker 17: Commissioner just made, which is we have to prioritize psychological
39:17
Speaker 17: safety and well being over free speech, which I think
39:21
Speaker 17: is a very misguided attitude.
39:23
Speaker 2: But Britain, like Australia, has got plenty of physical crimes
39:26
Speaker 2: occurring on the street that we don't have enough police for.
39:31
Speaker 2: The idea that we're going to place the entire internet
39:34
Speaker 2: seems crazy.
39:36
Speaker 17: That's particularly a problem in the UK. You probably know
39:38
Speaker 17: that Graham Linehan, a celebrated comedy writer, was arrested by
39:42
Speaker 17: five armed police officers when he arrived at Heather Airport
39:46
Speaker 17: a few weeks ago because of three tweets he'd posted
39:49
Speaker 17: mocking transwrites activists. Someone to complain to the police and
39:53
Speaker 17: they swooped into action. I mean, quite extraordinary, particularly considering
39:58
Speaker 17: how many unsolved crime are there are real crimes? Why
40:02
Speaker 17: devote so many resources, so much police time to policing
40:06
Speaker 17: hurty words when so many burglaries, auto thefts, rapes, murders
40:11
Speaker 17: go uninvestigated. We've got this sign that the Free Speech
40:15
Speaker 17: Union holds up whenever one of these trials takes place
40:18
Speaker 17: in the UK, which is police our streets, not our tweets.
40:22
Speaker 2: You've been in the trenches on this issue for a
40:25
Speaker 2: long time and part of the job of the Union
40:27
Speaker 2: is to go into bat for people who have had
40:31
Speaker 2: their free speech rights violated. And a huge amount of
40:36
Speaker 2: your work and it doesn't surprise me, but it might
40:38
Speaker 2: people at home is defending the rights of women and
40:42
Speaker 2: the assault on our rhymes by transactivists.
40:46
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's been a surprise to me. When I first
40:48
Speaker 17: set up the Free Speech Union SOB five years ago,
40:51
Speaker 17: critics said, you know, you're just a typical middle aged
40:55
Speaker 17: white man complaining that you no longer have the megaphone
40:59
Speaker 17: you once did. It's pathetic, you know, get over it,
41:02
Speaker 17: Suck it up. The world's changing, it's becoming more diverse. Actually,
41:06
Speaker 17: forty percent of the over five hundred cases have we've
41:10
Speaker 17: taken on over two thousand cases have been gender critical
41:13
Speaker 17: women who mainly define as left wing. They get into
41:17
Speaker 17: trouble for defending single sex women's spaces, complaining about biological
41:21
Speaker 17: men competing against women in women's sports like swimming and boxing.
41:26
Speaker 17: That's the call face, that's the front line when it
41:28
Speaker 17: comes to battling for free speech. It's extraordinary how much
41:31
Speaker 17: trouble they get into and how much help they need.
41:35
Speaker 2: Quick question, as anything you've seen since you've been in
41:38
Speaker 2: Australia concerned you or giving you this sense that we're
41:45
Speaker 2: even further down the path and you might be in
41:46
Speaker 2: the UK.
41:48
Speaker 17: Well, one thing that happened today concerned me. So the
41:51
Speaker 17: Australian Human Rights Commission urged the federal government, the Commonwealth
41:55
Speaker 17: government to regulate, i criminalize, what it called climate misinformation,
42:02
Speaker 17: which it said was delaying urgent climate action. That sounded like,
42:07
Speaker 17: you know, we can't win the debate in the public square,
42:10
Speaker 17: so now we're going to have to send to jail
42:12
Speaker 17: anyone who disagrees with us.
42:14
Speaker 3: I'm quite extraordinary.
42:15
Speaker 2: Just a quick one, I mean debate about Jimmy Kimmel
42:18
Speaker 2: and what he said, and I argue it was factually wrong,
42:23
Speaker 2: and I think the right of his broadcaster is there
42:25
Speaker 2: to telling to rectify the era. But cases like that
42:31
Speaker 2: really challenge our defense of free.
42:33
Speaker 3: Speech, don't they.
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Speaker 17: They do often. It's difficult because there's a conflict between
42:38
Speaker 17: freedom of speech and freedom of association, and you want
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Speaker 17: to defend free speech, but you don't want to unnecessarily
42:44
Speaker 17: fetter the freedom of companies to decide who they do
42:47
Speaker 17: and don't want to employ. But I think in that
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Speaker 17: case what made it slightly sinister was the head of
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Speaker 17: the Federal Communications Commission, a Trump appointee, threatening ABC, which
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Speaker 17: hosts the Jimmy Kimmel Show. With it said you can
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Speaker 17: either do this. He said, you can either do this
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Speaker 17: the easy way or the hard way, And the implication was,
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Speaker 17: if you don't take Jimmy Kimmel off air, we're going
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Speaker 17: to launch an investigation, a regulatory investigation. It sounds like
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Speaker 17: in the end, ABC wasn't too intimidated because they've decided
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Speaker 17: to put Jimmy Kimmel back on the air. And I'm
43:20
Speaker 17: pleased they have decided to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you across that part of across
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Speaker 2: the line. It's interesting, though, a lot of the affiliates
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Speaker 2: who used to carry the Kimmel Show. I have said tonight,
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Speaker 2: they're not going to carry the show. And again, in
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Speaker 2: a commercial world, it's up to them if they want ratings,
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Speaker 2: and they're not going to get writings with Kimmel, or
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Speaker 2: we'll lose ratings by not having Kimmell.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the way the market works, isn't it.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean paradoxically, because he's been in the news
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Speaker 17: and it looked for a while as though he was
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Speaker 17: going to be permanently off the airwaves. Now that he's back,
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Speaker 17: I imagine the affiliates might change their mind. I think, well,
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Speaker 17: this is actually a pretty big news story, be I
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Speaker 17: have him on this week.
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Speaker 1: Tell what.
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Speaker 2: I never thought we'd be talking about free speech as
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Speaker 2: much in the West as we have in the last
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Speaker 2: ten years, but we are.
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Speaker 3: And thanks for all the good work you do. Thanks Daby.
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Speaker 2: Thanks right tomorrow night, as I say, huge speech for
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Speaker 2: the Robert Mensies' Institute. And I'm pleased to say that
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Speaker 2: Toby Young is the headline act all right after the
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Speaker 2: break Brett Sutton's day of wreckting on COVID, we'll get
44:14
Speaker 2: into that.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 2: He is a shocker and that secret Dan andrews Iback
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Speaker 2: report that it looks like it's getting closer and closer
44:22
Speaker 2: to being delivered.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in the panel IPA, chief economist and senior
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Speaker 2: fellow Adam Crichton, an author at The Spectator, Terry Barnes.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to that interview the podcast with Neil Mitchell
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Speaker 2: from former Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton, extraordinarily admitting that
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Speaker 2: a number of the measures he imposed on us during COVID,
44:47
Speaker 2: of which we were given plenty of fines if we
44:49
Speaker 2: didn't agree, or jail time, he says, quote, we're probably
44:53
Speaker 2: never necessary.
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Speaker 3: Adam, there are.
44:57
Speaker 2: No words for the anger of Victi vitorians on this.
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Speaker 18: No.
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Speaker 19: Look, that's certainly true. And when you think back to
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Speaker 19: those years, the contempt of the arrogance that was displayed
45:08
Speaker 19: to journalists and scientists and doctors that spoke out and
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Speaker 19: now five years later, basically Brett Sutton is, well, you
45:14
Speaker 19: were right. I mean, that's just unbelievable. So let's formalize this.
45:17
Speaker 19: Let's have a royal commission. Let's finally have some accountability
45:20
Speaker 19: into this. We've had none so far. There's been at
45:23
Speaker 19: least seven royal commissions in Australia. I think in the
45:25
Speaker 19: major states and at the Comnwealth level in the last
45:28
Speaker 19: five years even into a casino license, and yet there's
45:31
Speaker 19: no room apparently for one into the biggest public policy
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Speaker 19: disaster I would say in Australian history, certainly in peacetime.
45:39
Speaker 19: We need to formalize this. Like I said, there's been
45:41
Speaker 19: inquiries in New Zealand in the UK, There's been many
45:43
Speaker 19: inquiries in the US, but nothing here. And you have
45:47
Speaker 19: to wander and I probably think it's because the Coalition
45:49
Speaker 19: and the Labor Party have been telling everyone for years
45:51
Speaker 19: they did a fantastic job, but they did not.
45:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Libs are complicit. I think Scott
45:57
Speaker 2: Morrison and Josh Fredenberg federally wasted a huge amount of
46:01
Speaker 2: money and backed in these crazy state premiers. I think
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Speaker 2: the Victoria and Libs will they checked out. They weren't
46:06
Speaker 2: even involved in the fight here Terry, as you know.
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Speaker 2: But what worries me were two things. What worries me
46:12
Speaker 2: if the Liberals were fed income they would have a
46:14
Speaker 2: policy going to the next federal election and state election
46:17
Speaker 2: that they would put out every single document right, they'd
46:19
Speaker 2: put them out in the public domain. And let us
46:21
Speaker 2: all have a look at what really went on and
46:24
Speaker 2: the cost of everything and the damage of everything. And
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Speaker 2: secondly we would have a plan so that next time
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Speaker 2: we're not caught up with clowns like Sutton.
46:35
Speaker 3: Who was a zoologist or something.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he ever had pandemic history, making it
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Speaker 2: up as he went along.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think that's right, Peter, and I think that
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Speaker 6: Adam is also right.
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Speaker 18: I think we need that real mission, that national, federal
46:48
Speaker 18: and state royal mission to actually really get chapter.
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Speaker 13: In verse and what went wrong.
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Speaker 3: There were things that went right.
46:54
Speaker 18: But pretty well everything went wrong in Victoria. I still
46:58
Speaker 18: can't get over what happened with to quarantined, the fact
47:01
Speaker 18: that the Andrews government got absolutely away with the Scottland
47:04
Speaker 18: And certainly I think we do need a national pandemic
47:08
Speaker 18: plan that actually works in the pitchen, that has federal
47:11
Speaker 18: and state governments working together but also working to make
47:15
Speaker 18: sure that they protect our liberties, our rights as well
47:18
Speaker 18: as effectively stamping their authoritarianism on us like they did
47:23
Speaker 18: in the COVID time.
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Speaker 2: I've talked to you about this housing stuff out there today.
47:30
Speaker 2: More reports to say, even if we build all the
47:32
Speaker 2: houses that some say we need that won't be enough
47:36
Speaker 2: to solve the housing crisis.
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Speaker 19: Adam, We all look, that's that's certainly been the case
47:43
Speaker 19: so far. I mean, we're so far behind the national
47:45
Speaker 19: housing target. And of course there's all this angst at
47:47
Speaker 19: the moment in New South Wales with the ten thousand
47:50
Speaker 19: houses I think that are being proposed in Wallara and
47:52
Speaker 19: the thirty thousand in the Inner West. But I would
47:55
Speaker 19: say to these people the you know, these are basically
47:57
Speaker 19: inner city seats and by and large there labors seats,
48:00
Speaker 19: certainly in the NS, and they've been voting for extremely
48:03
Speaker 19: rapid immigration, and so that's what you get. You're going
48:05
Speaker 19: to have more high rise towers, I'm afraid in your suburbs.
48:08
Speaker 19: So I don't really feel sorry for these people who
48:11
Speaker 19: are furious in the un wes they have to change
48:14
Speaker 19: the way they vote.
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Speaker 3: But the reality is it's very.
48:16
Speaker 19: Hard to change the size of the housing stock in
48:18
Speaker 19: Australia quickly. You just can't do it. The government's finding
48:21
Speaker 19: that out now, and you know we're having three four
48:24
Speaker 19: hundred thousand new people come in every year. They simply
48:27
Speaker 19: can't build the houses fast enough and the prices are
48:29
Speaker 19: going to keep going up and the rents, which is.
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Speaker 2: Why we're going to have the houses before we bring
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Speaker 2: the people in. But that's a whole another fight yet again. Hey,
48:38
Speaker 2: Terry an anti corruption prior.
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Speaker 3: This is ibag.
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Speaker 2: Six years we've waited for documents in relation to Daniel
48:45
Speaker 2: Andrews and deals with the firefighter union or alleged alleged alleged.
48:50
Speaker 2: We know now though that if they're not far away,
48:54
Speaker 2: do we think we might get some reckoning here here?
49:02
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things lost him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Adam that drought me to I got you
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Speaker 3: on this one.
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Speaker 19: Well, I just yes, please, It's just extraordinary how long
49:15
Speaker 19: it's taken. I mean, these are events in twenty sixteen.
49:18
Speaker 19: The inquiry was set up in twenty nineteen, and it's
49:21
Speaker 19: still not finished. I mean you've got to you got
49:24
Speaker 19: to ask what these bureaucrats are doing at this v
49:26
Speaker 19: back sorry iback, but and you also have to wonder
49:31
Speaker 19: whether it's politicized. You know, the Andrews government here has
49:34
Speaker 19: been inmpowerful of it's still basically the Andrews Government's been
49:37
Speaker 19: in powerful a very long time. And after that that
49:39
Speaker 19: length of period, you always get some level of politicization
49:43
Speaker 19: in the bureaucracy, and that's probably the case here. I
49:45
Speaker 19: would say it was obvious that there was corruption. I
49:47
Speaker 19: think one of his ministers at the time even resigned
49:50
Speaker 19: over the collusion with the fire the fire union.
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Speaker 3: So right, Adam sm.
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Speaker 2: I better leave it there. I think we're out of time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Adam, catch up with you next week. That's
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Speaker 2: it for me, see tomorrow night at six.