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Patrice Endres Pt. One · The Path Went Chilly

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Welcome back to the Path went Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and
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I'm so sorry to all the listeners. I sound awful. I'm pretty sick,
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but we're going to soldier through, so hopefully you all don't mind my
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kind of mannish sounding voice for the next hour. Well, Jules, I
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think you sound fantastic. It's me Ashley, and I am ready to record.
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Well, the listeners missed you during our last two episodes since you were
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on holidays that week. It was Thanksgiving, and as everyone is aware,
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Jules and I are Canadians, so we celebrated it one month earlier and then
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decided to do our last two episodes just with the two of us. So
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how was your Thanksgiving? Ash It was awesome. Thank you guys for filling
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in for me. I missed all of you as well. I was very
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blessed to be able to go home to Florida and be with my mom,
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dad, brother, and sister in law. Got to take two of the
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girls with us, so I feel very grateful. God is good and I'm
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back with my two friends recording a podcast tonight. So life is looking beautiful.
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So now that I'm back in the action, let's dive right into this
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week's case. April fifteenth, two thousand and four, Forsyth County, Georgia.
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After finishing a phone call with a customer, thirty eight year old Patrese
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Andres vanishes from the hair salon that she owns, and two eyewitnesses report having
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seen her in the parking lot next to an unidentified individual in a blue vehicle.
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Nearly eighteen months later, Patrese's remains are discovered in a wooded area located
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six miles away. Police look into a number of potential suspects, including Patrese's
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husband and the pair of convicted serial killers, one of whom confessed to the
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murder, but there are still no answers about who actually killed her. After
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that, the path went chilly. Today, we're going to be exploring a
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case which was featured on the Netflix reboot of Unsolved Mysteries, the two thousand
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and four Murder of Patrese Andres. This particular story was featured on the first
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Netflix season, which dropped three and a half years ago, and the episode
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in question was titled Thirteen Minutes. It involves a wife and mother named Patrise
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Andris, who vanished from the hair salon she owned during the middle of a
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shift, and thirteen minutes is the window of time between when she was last
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confirmed to be alive and when she seemed to go missing. There was ample
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evidence to suggest that Patrese was the victim of an abduction, and she would
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remain a missing person for nearly eighteen months, months before her remains were found.
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Now I vividly remember though, when the Unsolved Mysteries episode originally dropped,
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most of the attention was focused on Patrese's husband, Rob Andris, who managed
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to rub everyone the wrong way with perhaps the most bizarre interview in the history
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of the show. Pateresa's son from a previous marriage, as well as many
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of her friends and family members, suspected Rob of being involved in her death,
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but he seemed to have an alibi, and eyewitness accounts placed another person
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who did not match Rob's description outside the salon during the time period Patrese went
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missing. So is it possible that Rob's behavior has clouded people's perceptions and diverted
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attention from the real perpetrator. I originally covered this on The Trail Went Cold.
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Only a few months after the release of the Unsolved Mysteries episode, But
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since there has been a recent development in this case, I thought now would
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be a good time for us to revisit it. On the Pathway Chile.
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Well, this one's going to be an interesting case to talk about. We
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have the typical husband who's a suspect. That's always the case when we're talking
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about a murder investigation. We go to the people closest to the victim,
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and I find it very interesting that she's found so close to where she was
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but eighteen months later. Was that area a place that was heavily wooded or
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disguised or is it surprising it took eighteen months to discover her body. It
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was a wooded area, like it was behind a certain location. But you
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can understand why no one would have been looking in this area after she went
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missing, because it was about six miles away. And since this was on
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the Unsolved Mysteries Netflix reboot, I know that you did watch that, Ashley.
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Do you remember this case at all? The episode about this one?
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I don't. I don't. At first, I thought it was going to
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be the girl who went for a walk and they didn't ever see her again.
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But then you started talking about her husband and things of that I'm like,
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Nope, not the same person. So I don't remember this one.
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It may come back to you once we start talking about how weird the husband
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is. Well, bring on weird husbands. Our story begins in Georgia in
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two thousand and four. Her central figure is thirty eight year old Patrese Andres.
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Patrese lives in Coming, a small town of around five thousand people located
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in Forsyth County, alongside her fifty eight year old husband, Rob Andres.
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The couple have been married for seven years at this point and also live with
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Patrice's fifteen year old son from a previous relationship, Delvis Wade Black, who
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goes by the nickname Pistol. Patrese was known for having a wild side during
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her younger days and even worked as an exotic dancer for a time, but
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the birth of Pistol seemed to change everything and she would turn out to be
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a devoted mother who had a very close relationship with her son. She decided
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to go to school to become a hair stylist, and it was while working
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at a salon when she originally met Rob when he stopped in for a haircut.
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However, Patrice always dreamed about opening up a salon of her own,
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and she finally achieved her goal when both she and Rob purchased a building located
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on Georgia State Route three sixty nine in the unincorporated community of matt The salon
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would be named Tamber's Trim and Tan, as Tamber happened to be the surname
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of Patrice's birth family. Patrese gradually built a solid clientele of regular customers who
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appreciated her fun personality, positive attitude, and chatty nature. On the morning
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of April fifteenth, Patrise dropped Pistol off at school before heading to the salon
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to open it for business. At around noon, one of Patrese's customers showed
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up at the salon for an appointment, but even though her Chevy Tahoe SUV
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was still parked outside, there was no sign of Patrese. Her pursing keys
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were left behind on her desk, her lunch was on the counter next to
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the microwave, and the cash register was opened and completely empty. Patrese's wallet
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had also been removed from her purse, but her credit cards were still in
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there, as well as two hundred and seventy dollars in cash, which she
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kept hidden inside a secret compartment. While there didn't appear to be any signs
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of struggle or violence, the customer was still concerned enough to contact the forsythe
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county shriff's office, and report Patrice missing. This is so bizarre because it's
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signs that things were normal and signs that things weren't normal. So this poor
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customer who's waiting's going, okay, I mean she got here today, her
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car's here, her lunches on the counter next to the microwave, her keys
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and purse are here. But wait a minute, the cash resster's wide open
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and empty. That's odd. And we find out that her wallet's missing,
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so it's almost as if someone was robbing the place and took them with her.
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But then there's no sign of a struggle or any kind of disorder going
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on. So it's these mixed messages. But imagine in broad daylight, wondering,
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Wait a minute, we know Patrise got here, we know that she's
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settled in for the day, and then all of a sudden, she just
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vanishes. Yeah, this is not the only case that I've covered on the
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Trail and Cold in which something bad has happened. To an innocent victim while
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they were working inside a salon. Up Usually it's women working by themselves.
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I note that I did one earlier this year called the Florence Salon murderers,
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where an employee and two customers were all shot to death inside a remote salon
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next to a highway. And you can understand the vulnerability there if you're working
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alone. That if someone was just passing through and decided to go in there
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to commit a murder or an abduction, they might be able to pull it
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off before anyone noticed they were missing. So later that afternoon, Pistol was
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summoned to the office at a school and asked if he could get in touch
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with his mother. Pistol proceeded to call Patrise's cell phone three times, but
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the cause all went straight to voicemail, and she never attempted to call him
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back. Throughout the day. Some of Patrese's older friends tried her cell phone
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and only got her voicemail. At the time, Rob was working a ship
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as a maintenance supervisor in Conyer's, a suburb of Atlanta, and he would
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be informed about Patrese's disappearance sometime between two and three pm. The police were
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able to use Patrese's appointment book to put together a timeline the morning she went
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missing, and it showed that she had a mostly non stop stream of customers
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after she opened for business. The last known customer to have gotten a haircut
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from Patrese left the salon at eleven twenty seven am, as phone records established
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that he received a call on his cell while he was leaving. The last
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confirmed interaction with Patrese was from another customer who phoned the salon to reschedule an
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appointment. She said that Patrise was unusually short with her during their conversation,
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and phone records would confirm that the call ended at eleven thirty seven. The
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next call to the salon came in at eleven fifty, but there was no
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answer, so it seemed likely that something happened to Patrice during that thirteen minute
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window. So she gets a call from the salon, or she gets a
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call at the salon from a customer, and she seems unusually short. Remember
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she's loved for her energetic, happy attitude. We all have our days where
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we're not in those moods, even if we are a super positive person.
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But it almost view knowing the circumstances after this missing timeframe, that possibly someone
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was there that was frustrating her or making her feel uncomfortable, and she's trying
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to get off the phone to handle this person because they're irritating her. I
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wonder if that was the case, or if she was struggling with something that
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maybe wasn't a person in the salon, but was aware of something foreshadowing this
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event. The other question I have for you, Robin, when we look
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at her husband and he's working at the time. Was he working from the
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morning when she drops her son off and you know, we know she has
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a customer until eleven twenty seven. Are his whereabouts accounted from that time to
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this two to three pm when he's notified of her disappearance. Uh? I
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think so we'll go into more details about it, but there they've always been
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kind of vague, the police, because they said, we haven't completely ruled
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him out as a suspect, but an alibi. He does seem to have
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a solid alibi. So I guess it's the thing where they're like, well,
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if you look at the timeline, it is possible he could have been
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there or during that window of time, but we just don't think it's likely,
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because otherwise he would have had to get to work at a certain time
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and he would have needed a certain amount of time to get there. So
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that's why they're thinking that maybe he didn't actually do this, but they are
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also have looked at the possibility of a murder for hire as well. One
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of the most troubling details was the positioning of Patrese's Chevy Tahoe suv, as
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it was parked near the front door, facing in a westward direction, even
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though Patrese ordinarily back to suv into a spot next to the side of the
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building. In the earliest stages of the investigation, the media coverage was dominated
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by accounts of an eyewitness sighting from a motorist who claimed she saw Patrese's SUV
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parked next to a white cargo van before an unidentified man in his late thirties
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or early forties walked around the van and entered through the driver's side. But
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it would later turn out that this witness completely fabricated her story and she would
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be charged with making a false statement to police. However, there were two
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other eyeweasness accounts from passing motorists that investigators found to be a lot more credible.
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They both were counted driving by the salon at approximately eleven forty five am
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and seeing Patrese standing outside next to a parked vehicle and an unidentified individual.
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Since these two witnesses were completely independent of each other and gave such similar stories,
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their accounts were deemed to be believable. But oddly, they also both
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gave contradictory details. They each described seeing Patrice's SUV parked near the front door
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next to a blue vehicle, but the first witness described it as being a
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nineteen ninety two Chevy Lumina with a Georgia Wildlife tag, while the second witness
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thought it was a Ford Tourists or Malibu. The first witness also claimed that
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Patrese was interacting with an older woman and they appeared to have their hands on
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each other, but the second witness described seeing Patrice with a man who had
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shoulder length pair. Well, we all know about eyewitness identification, and right
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here you where it's so problematic where multiple witnesses have very different stories going on.
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It is possible that you know this older lady was the man with the
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medium link pair or shoulder linked pair. It's also possible that man with a
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shoulder link pair wasn't always an older woman and the person didn't see it correctly.
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It's also possible that it wasn't Patrise. So very frustrating when we look
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at Okay, there's people coming forward trying to be helpful. Some people are
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coming forward not being helpful because they're making false statements to the police. But
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that really complicates the investigation. The cars that were described to the police by
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these eyewitnesses do either happen to belong to the husband, they don't. I
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don't know what what car the husband was driving at that time, but I
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figured that if he was driving either a Chevy Lumina or a Ford Taurus or
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Malibu, that they probably would have the police probably would have said so.
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And Rob was also bald, and both the witnesses described seeing someone with longer
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shoulder length pairs, So unless he was wearing a wig to disguise himself,
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that probably wasn't him that was seeing with Patrise. But I do agree with
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your assessment that it's likely that they both saw the same person. Both of
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these witnesses and one of them mistakenly thought that a man was a woman or
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vice versa. So do you both think that this individual may have threatened Patrese
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and got her to go back into the salon and give the money from the
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register, and that's when the person called, and she was uncharacteristically short,
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like do you think it's possible they were brandishing a weapon or something like that,
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and that was why she sounded different on the phone, like she was
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under some sort of dress. I should mention that the call occurred at eleven
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thirty seven, whereas these eyewitness sightings took place at approximately eleven forty five.
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So I don't think that she answered the phone after these sightings. But it
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is possible that this person was already in the salon with Patrese when the first
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phone call happened, and then this was the end result that a couple minutes
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later they went outside and then got into a confrontation. But do you both
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think that these eyewitnesses could be off like eleven thirty seven versus eleven forty five.
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I mean, if you're approximating time, it could be possible that the
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events may be transpired in reverse. No, I think they could. I
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think they definitely could, And I mean the reality is that these aren't consistent
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statements, So something's off and I don't see a huge difference of unless I
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me major was going on where eleven thirty seven and eleven forty five time for
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me is so relative when you're talking about eyewitnesses and what they saw, because
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it's like it was before noon. I mean, I don't really know much
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more accurate than that. And if I'm passing by the person with the medium
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linked hair and the older lady, those could easily be misconstrued into different things,
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right, Like you can make assumptions of the body frame was more of
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a man, or that was more of a feminine body, and then looking
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back, you go, well, maybe I don't know. You know,
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we know there's tons of problems with an eyewitness and the last customer who was
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in the salon left at eleven twenty seven. That was verified by phone records,
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and of course you have a ten minute window between this last customer leaving
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and the last phone call from the customer, so of course anything could have
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happened. And I think there's a good chance that Patrice's killer or abductor showed
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up during that ten minute window, and that's why she sounded so agitated on
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the phone anyway, A massive search effort was launched for Patrese, which would
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also involve the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. It failed to turn up any trace
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of her, and due to Patrese's close relationship with her son, no one
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believed that she took off voluntarily. However, her husband, Rob would immediately
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raise some red flags when he changed the locks on the residence the day after
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Patrese went missing. Pistol was out of the house at that time, and
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when he returned home, Rob refused to answer the door and would not let
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him inside to get any of his clothing or personal possessions. Even though Pistol's
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relationship with Rob had been good for about a year after he married Patrise,
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things fell apart between them. Pistol felt that his stepfather always displayed a negative
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attitude towards him well, Rob believed that Patrice did not discipline her son enough.
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Rob would later say that his decision to change the locks was a precautionary
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measure since his wife had just gone missing, and while he did personally like
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Pistol, he thought his stepson would be safer if he stayed somewhere else.
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Pistol was forced to go live with other family members, and he eventually moved
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in with his biological father. Okay, I'm a stepparent. These relationships are
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really difficult, especially at the beginning. Right that you have two people who
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fall in love and their kids are part of that package that you marry into.
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But the kids are not always open to relationships right away. The step
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parents might struggle with accepting and relating to the step children. So the fact
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that Rob and Pistol kind of do go head to head does not surprise me.
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The fact that Rob watches Patrese's parenting skills and Patrese watches Rob's behavior and
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they get frustrated with one another doesn't surprise me because I can tell you from
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experience. Rebel and I raise our children in different ways. Our homes are
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different, and even though it's out of love and for the betterment of our
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family and our home, we definitely close the door sometimes and go I do
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not agree with what just happened. I do not like that behavior. That
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was disrespectful. Right they should have done X, Y, and Z.
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And we're not always on the same page. We get on the same page,
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but that frustrations there, So that is not completely abnormal. I do
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find it interesting that Rob changes the locks because Patrice has access to the home
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with the keys that are there. And if she's just missing and we don't
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know necessarily that something violent has happened to her. What if she had a
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mental health crisis and she just needs back into the house right she It almost
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blocks her from coming home. That idea that families all not move because the
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person's missing or that they're you know, they want the person to know where
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to come if they need ref or change their mind or whatever's going on.
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It is also complex that poor Pistol is kind of uprooted automatically. He doesn't
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get along great with Rob. So from the outside looking in, it's one
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of two things. You say, Pistol needs stability to be in the home
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that he's used to and Rob just happens to be the only parent there,
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so be it. But if they don't get along very well, could you
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also see potential for Rob's argument that it's better for Pistol to be with family
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and not just his stepdad who he doesn't get along with. Yeah, I
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also think that if Patrese does come home, that she's going to be pretty
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mad that in this moment of extreme stress. You're literally locking her son out
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of the home at the first chance that you get, and then you didn't
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even make arrangements for him to go elsewhere. He's got to figure that out
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himself. Okay that part, yes, that part, yes, Yeah,
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it looks like he knows that she isn't coming home by his actions, and
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ashly, I had assume that if your husband went missing, that you would
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not change the locks and refuse your step daughters from coming into the house and
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not even letting them collect their personal possessions like that is the part that is
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just playing weird. Absolutely absolutely, I'm simply saying the action on the surface
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is kind of like mare. Now when you dig deeper like that, when
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you say you're not allowed here, well, that's their home. That's where
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their mother should be coming home to, right, That's where Pistol's mom should
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be coming home to. So if you're emotionally sound, you say, he
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needs this space as much as anybody else because his mom's missing and hopefully she's
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coming home to this space. But you're right, Rob's saying he did it
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for protection doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I would have never changed
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the locks, because again, Patrese needed access to that home just as much
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as Pistol did. Because as of now we assume she's just not here.
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Could she have left voluntarily, sure, Could she have been kidnapped, sure?
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But what if she gets away and she gets to come home now she's
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also walked out of the house. That part makes no sense. And poor
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Pistol doesn't have any underwear or a toothbrush. It's just those like basic items
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that make you feel like a human in those moments that you can find some
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comfort in. Maybe it's putting on your pajamas, maybe it's crawling into bed,
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brushing your teeth, doing these routine activities. And Rob is taking this
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away from him and just turning him away. It just is boggling my mind
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that he thought this was an appropriate action to take, Like it just seems
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so callous. Yeah, and it's not like this is three years later either.
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You know this, it's too soon to be talking about Pistol. You
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need to go with someone who is your blood relative, do you know what
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I mean? Like Mom's clearly not coming home, that was not where they
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were, and that's not how he handled it. Yeah, Like I could
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see this argument if it was like a few months down the road and she
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hadn't come home and the two of them were butting heads, then there's a
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question of are they going to find her? Will she be coming home.
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Maybe there is a better situation for Pistol, but you don't turn him away
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and not allow him any access to his belongings in the wake of his mother's
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disappearance. It's just it's so hurtful to do that to her son. Pistol
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and many of Patrice's other friends and family members had their suspicions about Rob and
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believed he was jealous, controlling, and possessive of Patrise. According to Pistol,
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the couple were frequently fighting, and a few weeks before she went missing,
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his mother told him that she was thinking about divorce. However, Rob
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maintained that Patrise never spoke about divorce with him and things were fine with their
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relationship. Interestingly enough, before leaving her house on the morning of her disappearance,
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Patrice left a note on Rob's car which read quote the best is yet
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to come, though it's never been made clear what this message meant. Rob
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was interviewed and thoroughly investigated by the authorities and he seemed to have an alibi.
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During the period Patrese went missing. Rob claimed that he spent most of
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the morning at home before he drove to the town of Woodstock, which is
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about a forty five minute drive in Patresea's salon, and even produced a time
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stamped receipt which showed that he got gas there. Rob then headed to his
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workplace in Converse, and a turnstile logged in the time that he arrived there.
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According to investigators, while the timeline of Rob's whereaboats did not completely eliminate
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him as a suspect, it made it less likely that he could have been
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personally responsible for Patrice's disappearance. I would hate to be the person that're like,
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hey, your alibi doesn't really exclude you as a suspect, but you
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know, makes it a little less possible. That doesn't seem very encouraging whatsoever.
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Rob has this idea that he's driven to these other places. The time
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stamp helps a little bit, but it also could be if we truly lean
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the direction that Rob is guilty, it could be his way of trying to
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create that set alibi that ends up not being air tight. If you flash
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back a little bit to where Pistol is talking about Rob and Patrese fighting a
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lot. Remember, they're disagreeing about the way she's raising her own son.
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I'll tell you there's nothing that upsets a mama bear or a Papa bear more
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than when you come at my kiddo or the way I'm parenting. Right.
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We know that it doesn't have to be your spouse, but people don't handle
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that well. We know they're also working a business together. That's very stressful
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and difficult when you are trying to start your own business. You know,
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they purchase this new salon. All of that is heavily stressful. But then
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if they are in a relationship where they want a future together, that note
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something like the best is yet to come. Something like that can happen right
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after an argument, right when you get with your spouse and you say,
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I'm sorry, I exploded, I took it too wrong, I was overly
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sensitive, right, and then the next morning you go time to start again.
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Right, That's just how marriages work. Now, I don't like the
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idea that he says they're constantly fighting. Fights happen, frustrations happen, blow
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ups happen. We're human and two families trying to merge their lives. But
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I don't find the note crazy. If she wanted a relationship with him,
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no matter how a baud it was. You'll see men and women fight in
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even unhealthy relationships to say let's try again, let's do it again. The
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best is yet to come. So I don't think that can give us a
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pro oricon. I think the marriage could have been rocky and she's writing that
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to try to encourage it to get healthier, and I think it could be
25:33
fine in a normal marriage where people fuss and she writes the best is yet
25:37
to come. Yeah, I really wish that we had more information about what
25:41
that could have meant, because, like you said, it could be interpreted
25:44
either way. It could be her saying that our relationship is going to get
25:48
better the best is yet to come, or it's her way of saying,
25:51
I'm going to divorce you soon, so the best is yet to come for
25:53
me because I'm going to be free of you. And if Rob interpreted that
25:57
way, then maybe he decided to visit Petri sit the salon and that's when
26:00
he lost his temper and killed her or something. But we just don't know.
26:04
It could be nothing more than a coincidence that she left that note right
26:07
before she just happened to go missing. And keep in mind, she could
26:11
think the relationship's fine and he doesn't, so she could write that note and
26:17
truly think everything's okay. And maybe she didn't provoke him. If he's the
26:22
one who did it, maybe he had ulterior motives that wasn't just anger and
26:25
resentment in that moment, but maybe he interpreted it like maybe she meant it
26:30
like you said ash in a way like literally, the best is yet to
26:33
come, like things are going to get better, and he interpreted it like
26:37
a taunt, like the best is yet to come and I'm going to leave
26:40
you type of a thing. Well, the investigation would lead in another direction
26:45
in March of two thousand and five, when a suspect named Jeremy Jones confessed
26:48
to Patrese's murder. At the time, Jones was in custody for two other
26:52
murders, as he had originally been arrested for the brutal rape and murder of
26:56
forty five year old Lisa Nichols, which took place in Turnerville, Alabama,
27:00
on September eighteenth, two thousand and four. Jones had shot the victim before
27:06
sitting her on fire in her bathroom, and it wasn't long before Jones was
27:10
also charged with the murder of sixteen year old Amanda Greenwell, who had been
27:14
Jones's neighbor at a mobile home park near the town of Douglasville, Georgia.
27:18
Amanda originally went missing in March of two thousand and four before her decomposed body
27:22
was found in a wooded area the following month, and it turned out she
27:26
was stabbed and strangled to death. Douglasville was located over sixty miles from Patrese's
27:32
salon, and Jones would tell investigators that he was responsible for her abduction and
27:37
murder. Jones claimed that he had gotten lost while driving that morning because he
27:41
was high on meth amphetamine and he just happened to come across Tambur's trim and
27:45
tan When he noticed that Patrese was alone there, he went inside and asked
27:49
her if she would give his car jump. Patrece agreed to do so and
27:52
moved her SUV out of her usual parking spot, but Jones responded by pulling
27:57
out a knife and forcing Patrese into his car. After driving over sixty miles
28:03
into Douglas County. Jones proceeded to rape and murder Patrese before taking her body
28:07
to the Riverside Parkway Bridge above Sweetwater Creek and dumping her into the water at
28:12
the outset. Investigators found Jones's confession to be credible because he drew an accurate
28:18
diagram of the salon and the position in which Patrese's suv was parked. However,
28:23
an extensive search of Sweetwater Creek failed to turn up any trace of Patrese.
28:29
After being convicted of Lisa Nichols's murder at trial, Jones was officially sent
28:33
to death on November twenty ninth, two thousand and five, but just over
28:37
one week later, there would be a major development in Patrise's case. Well,
28:41
this confession is terrifying because you have the murder of a forty five year
28:45
old woman as well, and then you have this idea that he comes up
28:51
with the with the whole story. I was high, I got lost,
28:53
I pulled over at Tamber's trim in hand. Do you think that, if
28:59
this is not a truthful confession, that he just learned all this in a
29:02
newspaper like it seems like he actually knew a lot about the car being part
29:06
in a certain direction, the name of the salon, that she was there
29:08
alone. How would he know of that? Well, I looked through the
29:12
newspaper archives when I was researching my original episode, and they do share a
29:17
lot of these details, like about the way that Patrese's SUV was parked in
29:22
a certain spot. So theoretically he could have read newspaper articles and formulated a
29:26
fake confession. Because, as we're going to talk about momentarily, the spot
29:32
where Patrese's remains would be found were not in a creek above a bridge,
29:36
so we can tell that he was at least lying about that part. So
29:40
that's why a lot of people would question whether the details he provided about the
29:44
salon, which were accurate, were only details that he got from reading media
29:48
accounts. On December sixth, some workers doing construction at the Lebanon Baptist Church
29:55
in Dawson County, Georgia went into a wooded area behind the church and discovered
30:00
a human skull. When police were notified, they performed a more extensive search
30:04
of the woods and soon came across more skeletal remains. It wasn't long before
30:10
dental records positively identified the skull as belonging to Patrice Andres. The location was
30:15
approximately six miles away from Patercea's salon, and she was officially missing for six
30:21
hundred days before the discovery, but her official cause of death has never been
30:25
made public. When she vanished, Patrice had been wearing her wedding ring,
30:29
which consisted of two bands soldered together with a Marquis diamond in the center and
30:33
had the inscription Patrese and Rob Forever. However, this ring was not found
30:38
with her remains and is still never turned up. Well, it wasn't long
30:42
before Jeremy Jones completely recounted its confession about murdering Patrise, claiming that he made
30:48
up the whole story in order to get better food and extra privileges in jail.
30:53
That doesn't sound abnormal. We know that a lot of people who are
30:56
already in trouble want to be more infamous, They want to get more privileges,
31:00
they want to get a bigger reputation, So making that false claim that
31:03
he murdered Patrice doesn't surprise me. It's kind of crazy if the details weren't
31:10
in the newspaper. But Robin confirmed that they were. So now I'm going,
31:15
okay, not surprising that you have someone falsely confessed to get perks in
31:18
prison. He even says he did. But what is interesting is this idea
31:22
that her skeletal remains are found and the cause of death has not been shared.
31:29
If we didn't know that it was let's say, a self inflicted gunshot,
31:32
when where the skull was damaged in a way that's consistent with a suicide,
31:36
or we didn't know that there's several stab markings through the rib cages and
31:41
you have, you know, nicks and things like that on her bones.
31:45
If it's just a skeletal remain set, why wouldn't they share you know that
31:49
there's no cause of death, they able to be determined things like that.
31:52
It's almost as if there had to be some kind of injury that did allude
31:55
to a particular cause of death that they're not sharing. Yeah, I have
31:59
a feeling that they couldn't determine her cause of death. They just would have
32:01
said so. But I have a feeling that they're just not releasing it just
32:05
to avoid false confessions. Because, as you've seen with Jeremy Jones, he
32:08
specifically said that he stabbed and strangled Patrice. But now we know that his
32:14
confession was likely false. So this is a way if anyone else confesses,
32:16
to see if they can provide the accurate cause of death, and if they
32:21
don't, then that means that they're lying. Years later, investigators would turn
32:25
their attention towards another convicted murderer named Gary Michael Hilton, who was originally arrested
32:30
in January of two thousand and eight for the murder of twenty four year old
32:35
Meredith Emerson on New Year's Day. Meredith went missing after she left her home
32:39
in Beauford, Georgia, to go hiking on a trail on Blood Mountain.
32:44
At some point, she crossed paths with Hilton, who proceeded to abduct Meredith
32:47
and hold her captive for three days before bludgeting her to death with a carjack
32:52
candle and decapitating her. After Hilton was arrested, he made an arrangement with
32:57
the authorities to plead guilty to Merediths murder and lead them to her remains in
33:00
exchange for taking the death penalty off the table. It turned out that meredith
33:06
remains were in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area around ten to fifteen miles away
33:10
from the location where Patrese's remains were found, so Hilton was looked at as
33:15
a potential suspect in a case. Records showed that Hilton had been stopped for
33:19
a traffic violation in Forsyth County during the approximate time period when Patrese was abducted,
33:24
and he did not seem to have an alibi on that particular date.
33:29
Hilton also liked conning people out of money, both in person and over the
33:32
phone, and during one interview with police, he said that his favorite type
33:36
of location to do this was at hair salon's well. Hilton has since been
33:39
linked to three additional murders, officially making him a full fledged serial killer.
33:45
Investigators have never found any evidence linking him to Patrese's death. Very bizarre though,
33:51
that he targets people at hair salons, right, That's incredibly unique that
33:57
we see, you know, a killer who will go or sex workers or
34:00
somebody who will target runaway girls. But to say, oh, I actually
34:07
hunt at hair salons for people who are alone that I can hurt seems really
34:12
really specific. And I guess the one thing that kind of goes against him
34:15
is that Hilton liked to steal like bank cards and money from people. And
34:21
I know that Patrese they left some money in a secret compartment in her purse,
34:24
and well, it's possible that Hilton could have missed that and gone away.
34:28
It just seems unusual that he would kill someone and not steal everything they
34:31
have, because that was usually his mo. Following the discovery of her remains,
34:37
Patrese would be cremated and her ashes given to Rob. Pateres's story was
34:42
featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries reboot, which launched on Netflix on July
34:46
first, twenty twenty, and featured a particularly creepy interview with Rob, which
34:52
we'll be discussing momentarily. Pistol was also interviewed on the episode and claimed that
34:57
after all these years, never allowed him access to Patrisea's ashes or any of
35:02
his mother's personal possessions or photographs. However, shortly before we recorded this episode,
35:08
the Unsolved Mysteries social media pages announced that Rob Andras had passed away on
35:13
October eight, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, at the age of
35:17
seventy seven. As a result, Patresea's ashes were finally returned to her family.
35:22
This gesture did offer Patreesa's loved ones some comfort, but there is still
35:28
no conclusive answers about who actually killed her, and her murder continues to remain
35:32
unsolved. So I guess she could say the path went chili. Okay,
35:37
there's no way that I can defend more OB's actions anymore. The first part,
35:42
I know, I was really trying to think of how do you look
35:45
at blended families, and how do you look at trauma and grief and fear
35:47
and all of that. But even after the year's pass, Rob denies poor
35:52
Pistol access to even his mother's body, even access to what they do have
35:59
back of her. We know she's deceased, You now know that her son's
36:02
grieving the death of his mother, and you say, nope, you can't
36:07
even have access to a photograph of her. You can't have access to personal
36:12
possessions, and you can't have any access to her ashes. If it was
36:15
just a no to the ashes, you could say, maybe that's for religious
36:17
purposes of not dividing her body. But there's no reason you would not make
36:22
copies, you would not work to create a slide show or something for a
36:27
baby whose mother is dead. I don't care if the baby's fifty five years
36:30
old. I want a picture of my mother. That's my mom, I'm
36:35
her baby, and things like that, Like you didn't need all of her
36:37
possessions, You didn't need to keep all the photographs exclusively for yourself. That's
36:44
pretty callous. Yeah, it definitely seems pretty spiteful. And even if rob
36:49
did not actually kill Patrice, these actions make him look really bad. It
36:52
seems vindictive. It seems like you're actually trying to inflict harm on the family
36:58
because his actions don't really lead us to believe that he needs to have all
37:02
of these things because he loves her. I mean, if he really and
37:06
truly loved her in a selfless way, he wouldn't have locked out her son,
37:10
like within twenty four hours of Patre's going missing and not allowed him access
37:15
to anything. And then in when it's confirmed that Patrice is dead, not
37:20
allowing him access to her body that is a huge thing. And then just
37:24
to hoard her belongings photographs in her ashes. It's it honestly feels like psychopathic,
37:31
like he's actually trying to hurt these people, and he's somehow taking some
37:36
kind of joy in it. It's one of those things. It's like Rob
37:40
seems to Let's say he really did love Patrese. Pistol was a part of
37:46
resentment for him, right that, like Patrese's time was often probably spent with
37:51
pistol, or for pistol, or taking care of pistol. And this is
37:54
her lover and husband who says I should be your first priority. It's possible
38:00
that that's the immature mentality he had where he wasn't really ready to take on
38:05
a mom and a son and he wanted to be her partner, but didn't
38:07
want to be a father and a husband at the same time. And that
38:12
didn't go away when Patrice went and disappeared, and it was later discovered,
38:16
right, Pistol was always that reminder of what blocked him from getting what he
38:21
really wanted. Well, brace yourself, ashed, because I'm going to share
38:23
more information to make you hate Rob even more. Okay, bringing on,
38:27
I'm not liking him already, so let's do this so anyway, as I'm
38:31
sure you're all aware, one of the most popular tropes in the true crime
38:35
genre is the husband did it and well during his appearance and Unsolved Mysteries.
38:39
A number of people believe that Rob Andrews was such a poster child for this
38:44
trope that it almost crossed the line into self parody. I've already shared a
38:47
number of details which do not paint Rob in a flattering light, but some
38:52
of the things he said during his Unsolved Mysteries interview were quite jaw dropping.
38:57
In case you've never seen the episode, Rob emotionally recalled how after Patresea's remains
39:00
were delivered to the funeral home, he asked the staff to reassemble her and
39:05
lay the bones out for him. Rob Ben said that he proceeded to pick
39:07
up Patresea's skull and carry it around for a while before he kissed her goodbye.
39:13
If that wasn't enough, after Rob admitted right on camera that when he
39:16
received Patresea's ashes, he slept and snuggled with them because she was quote unquote
39:22
like my teddy bear. The episode then shows them going into his closet and
39:27
pulling out a cardboard box containing the ashes and displaying them to the camera crew.
39:31
Yeah, thank god, Patresa's ashes are out of this guy's hands and
39:35
were recently returned to her family. I love how important she is to him
39:38
that he needs to carry her skull around and kiss it like a Hamlet play,
39:43
you know, and he also needs to sleep with them. But then
39:45
they're just relished to a cardboard box up in the closet or wherever he was
39:52
keeping them. If he really loved her one to honor her that much and
39:57
missed her that much, wouldn't you have her somewhere in the house or when
40:00
you have done a ceremony to dispose of her ashes? Like too much information?
40:05
But I still have buddies earned and it's displayed on our bookshelf because it's
40:08
important to Reagan and I until she's old enough to fully understand what it's like
40:13
to spread his ashes with me. So even though I'm remarried, even though
40:16
I've moved forward with my life, I'll never move on from being his wife
40:21
as well. So we do have his ashes, but he sure is heck
40:23
not in a box up in my closet or under the bed or something.
40:28
He's in a respectful place for him. So even her being up in the
40:31
box kind of contradicts what he's saying here. He knew the film crew was
40:36
coming get her out for the day. Maybe I have two of my dogs
40:39
in urns their ashes, and they're both displayed so that I can see them,
40:45
so that I feel like they're present. And those are dogs. She
40:47
is a human. You're going to put her in a box in a closet
40:51
when you put her out on a mantle something so you feel like she is
40:54
ever present on Like, I don't know, it just seems again his action
41:00
seemed callous. It's like it didn't even register to him. Hey, the
41:04
film crew's coming and maybe they're going to feel some type of way about me
41:07
having her remains in a box. But it just didn't even occur to him,
41:12
like, yeah, fake it till you make it, Like put her
41:14
make a little display for when the film crew is coming over. You'd think
41:16
that that kind of thought would go through your head. Not much self awareness
41:22
of this guy, because surely you knew that this is going to be on
41:23
Netflix. You were going to be seen by millions of people, and they
41:27
are not going to like you for this. They're going to think you were
41:29
a creep. And if your film getting her ashes out of a cardboard box
41:32
in the closet, they're not going to think you're sincere about how much you
41:36
loved her well. After the Unsolved Mysteries episode came out, it wasn't long
41:42
before Rob became the subject of a number of memes online and became the true
41:46
crime community's favorite whipping post since Carol Baskin from The Tiger King. Well,
41:52
the unfortunate side effect is that all this focus on Rob's weirdness seemed to distract
41:57
from the actual victim in this case, patrese Yes, and may have clouded
42:00
people's judgment. Of course, the original version of Unsolved Mysteries featured interviews with
42:06
a number of men who were suspected of being involved in the murder or disappearance
42:09
of their spouse, and they often did a less than convincing job of appearing
42:15
on camera to proclaim their innocence. Of course, one of the most infamous
42:20
examples of this is our favorite true crime whipping post, Jewel Kaylor, who
42:24
was suspected of being responsible for the disappearance of his wife, Dottie Kaylor and
42:30
openly said during his interview that, even though Dottie was still missing, things
42:34
are really pretty good. Robin. Do you want to just say that part?
42:37
Things are really pretty good? I love you, Robin. That's the
42:44
best but I think even Jewel would have drawn the line at admitting that he
42:47
kissed his wife's skull and cuddled up in bed with her ashes. Rob also
42:52
displayed questionable behavior outside his Unsolved Mysteries interview, particularly when it came to the
42:59
terrible treatment of his steps on pistol. If Rob was put on trial for
43:02
the crime of being a massive douchebag, then yes, we would probably have
43:07
to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But is he actually guilty of
43:12
the murder of his wife? Yeah, that's the thing where I need to
43:15
hear more evidence about what he was doing that day, what we know,
43:19
what injuries were to the skeletal remains. It's so interesting because you want to
43:25
assume someone who has no affect, someone who is disrespectful to the family,
43:30
someone who is insensitive and rude and traumatizing to a child, that all of
43:37
those things would make him someone capable of committing murder. But does it make
43:42
him the murderer. Not necessarily so, Robin. Do we have things that
43:47
the police have said we think that this actually does allude to him. So
43:52
far, all I've heard is we can't rule him out, but we also
43:57
can't narrow in on him being the perpetrator. Yeah, I'm going to talk
44:00
about that momentarily. But that's the thing is that as far as actual evidence
44:05
of Rob being at the scene or doing anything, they haven't really found anything.
44:08
And you can think that a lot of his actions are suspicious, but
44:13
in terms of actual evidence proving that he did it, there's virtually nothing.
44:16
And that's what's so problematic about this case is that his creepy behavior may be
44:22
like clouding people's perceptions and automatically making them think he's guilty when there is a
44:25
possibility he's not. Well. To make a comparison, we've previously discussed the
44:30
disappearance of Dottie Kaylor, and even though we have virtually no doubt that Jewel
44:36
Kaylor killed her, it's not because he acted like a jerk during a TV
44:38
interview. It's because there were so many holes and discrepancies in the story Jewel
44:43
provided to belie that once you look at all the evidence as a whole,
44:46
the only logical conclusion you can reach is that he did it. But Rob
44:52
Endris appears to have a fairly solid alibi, and multiple eyewitnesses placed Patrese with
44:57
other individuals who did not match Rob's to description right before she went missing,
45:01
So the solution of this case is definitely not cut and dry. In the
45:06
years following Patrese's disappearance, her case received a lot of press in the local
45:09
media, particularly the Atlanta Journal Constitution, and it's quite interesting to dig through
45:15
the newspaper archives and look at the original coverage, as it does not give
45:20
off any impression that Rob was considered to be a potential suspect. I did
45:24
find one article which hinted that potential friction between Rob and Pistol, as Patrese's
45:30
sister stated that she would always go on vacation or visit family with either her
45:34
husband or her son, but never both of them together. But at no
45:37
point does anyone flat out point the finger at Rob, as during his newspaper
45:43
interviews, he just comes across as your typical grieving husband. Rob also seemed
45:46
to be proactive during the search for Patrese, as he offered a reward for
45:51
information and was organizing fundraisers to spread the word about her case. He even
45:55
went so far as to travel to Alabama to attend Jeremy Jones's trial for the
46:00
murder of Lese Nichols and the October twenty seventh, two thousand and five edition
46:05
of the Montgomery Advertiser shows a photo of Rob holding up Pateresa's picture on the
46:08
front page under the headline husband Hope's conviction will end mystery. So it lends
46:16
the question to say, is there just something wrong with him, like does
46:21
he have a mental health disorder of his own? Does he have some kind
46:23
of intellectual disability, or does he is there something that's off an emotional dysregulation
46:29
about him where it just makes him a non likable human, that he makes
46:32
poor decisions when it comes to caring about other people around him, and that
46:37
he's selfish, that he's not really sound in the way he connects to the
46:42
people around him. Because if he did do these other things, like we
46:46
do see perpetrators show up for searches, granted we do see people offer rewards,
46:52
but there seems to be a lot that people are saying he did play
46:55
the part of a grieving husband, and he did go to extreme extents,
46:59
including attending another murder trial to beg for answers. It does show a different
47:05
side of him that maybe we're not seeing the whole picture when we look at
47:09
the way he treats the people around him versus what his actual reaction was to
47:14
the death. He also could have murdered her. I'm not he didn't.
47:16
I'm just saying it complicates the situation. When you step back as an investigator,
47:22
as an onlooker, as a friend, and you're saying, what's happening
47:24
in this scenario, it's almost like you get two people that you're watching in
47:29
this process. I get what you're saying. If he's somebody that says on
47:32
the spectrum and he isn't very good at reading other people's emotions or perceptions,
47:38
that could be why he behaved in the way that he did with like just
47:43
for example, the ashes and locking pistol out, because he didn't necessarily connect
47:47
how others would perceive him because of those decisions. And yeah, I mean,
47:52
we're obviously not going to arm to her diagnose him here, given you
47:55
what we have, But it is possible that he's suffering from mental health condition
48:00
or personality disorder because his behavior does seem very strange. And is it strange
48:07
because he independent of this is strange, or is he just behaving in a
48:13
way that's really weird In the situation because he's trying to cover his tracks,
48:17
right, or is he just behaving weird? Because he's behaving weird, you
48:21
know, like you said, Jules, it's possible. It's any of those
48:24
things. And I mean you sit back and you go, who's silly enough
48:29
to not take her ashes out of the box for the film crew? Like,
48:31
who's silly enough to go? I know, I'm one of the suspects
48:35
who hasn't been rolled out. They're going to come interview me, and I'm
48:37
going to just wait till they get here to go dig through and look for
48:40
her ashes. That's something to me that says something's not right. Either he's
48:45
a little slow or maybe he does have some condition or diagnosis that makes it
48:52
where he just doesn't understand the way his behavior looks. Believe it or not.
48:58
One person who is publicly defended is Terry dun Muhr, one of the
49:01
original co creators of Unsolved Mysteries. Following the episode's release, Muhrr did a
49:07
number of interviews in which she discussed this case and expressed her surprise and disappointment
49:13
with the reaction to Rob on social media. According to Mrrr, Rob has
49:17
since gotten remarried, and she believes that he was honest with them during his
49:22
interview and did legitimately love Patrese. Now, I don't want to make it
49:25
sound like I'm defending Rob as a person, because some of his actions,
49:29
such as locking Pistol out of the house the day after his mother went missing
49:34
and denying him access to her ashes, aren't truly indefensible. You won't find
49:38
too many featured on unsolved mysteries who are more sympathetic than Pistol, who is
49:43
clearly still devastated about the loss of his mother. I also don't have a
49:46
hard time believing the allegations that Rob was a narcissist who was jealous and controlling
49:52
of Patrese. If Rob was guilty of murder, you might assume there isn't
49:55
much else that can be done to solve this case since he recently passed away.
50:00
However, in our next episode, we're going to discuss the possibility that
50:04
this crime was a murder for hire, meaning that even if Rob got away
50:07
with it, there might still be a killer out there just waiting to be
50:12
caught. That is so very true with Rob's timeline. We know that a
50:16
quote isn't impossible for him to have committed the crime, but definitely complicates it
50:21
because he was at a place getting gassed, it was almost an hour away.
50:25
We know that he did clock in at work as well, so it
50:30
does complicate the idea of trying to pen the murder directly to Rob at Rob's
50:34
hands. But does that mean that he didn't give someone information that she might
50:37
be alone during this time, that the money is here, that this is
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how you access the cash register drawer. That's not an impossible scenario. So
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I think this would be a good time to bring an end to part one.
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But join us next week as we present part two of our series about
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the murder of Patrese Andrius Robin. Do you want to tell us a little
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