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Yoreh De’ah 264:4-6. Bris Milah: Must Cut Both Milah and Priah, the Necessary Foreskin To Be Removed of a Baby and Adult, Corona and Tubes · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  Good morning, Ray. Salmah Dalid.
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  We are Saif Dalid now, right? It's working.
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  Raysh Salmah dalid si eve Gilmos eve Dalit si eve Dalid.
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  Just wanted to point out, we asked, we spoke about Metsitza
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  bipet with a glass tube. So one of the topics was, well,
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  I'll just point out what happened during the times of
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  Corona. So there everybody around the
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  world did not do Medsitza Bepet as far as I know.
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  Certainly it was well accepted for no one to use Medsitza
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  Bepet. Maybe there were some, but they
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  used a tube, especially if I don't know for how many months,
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  but until they were confident that it was not a blood borne
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  pathogen, but just or whatever, whatever it was, it was just
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  airborne. So that was and it's just a
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  historical thing. Just want to point out that the
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  whole well, let me start off with this.
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  What what do you do? You do Metzitza by Pere for an
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  adult, let's say about Chuva whenever right for Don
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  Hattafestan bris. I don't think anyone does it.
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  We mentioned that there's no Metzitza, but if you're doing a
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  real bris Mila on an adult. So I asked Kramer and he said
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  what you just do is you put on, you're a regular syringe.
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  Every hospital, every doctor has some kind of a little syringe.
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  You just put this over, you throw this away.
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  Basically you don't need it and you put it over the aver.
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  Obviously you get a bigger one if it's an adult like you guys
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  were all wondering, this is just a random syringe.
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  I don't know, everyone has different sizes, but you just
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  get one that works. You fit it over and you just,
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  you suck up you, you know, you put a little gauze maybe or a
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  little piece of cotton or something, you know, not enough,
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  it'll stop the suction, but a little bit.
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  So just in case you don't get too nervous about the blood
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  getting too close to you and you just do a quick little suck and
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  that's all it is. It's just a quick little suck.
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  Just interesting. The whole tumult between mesitsa
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  bipet and using a tube is if lips are the same as glass or
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  plastic. Otherwise everything's exactly
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  the same. So it's just interesting to
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  note. That's the big, that's the whole
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  difference. What else?
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  Right, so everyone says you don't do matsitsa bepe for
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  adults? Dalit Malvilopara kilu Loma So
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  the lock is clear if you only do right foreskin has the oral has
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  two layers essentially right? It's obviously connected at the
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  very top. We explain the anatomy, but
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  basically it's two layers of skin.
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  The foreskin has is like a double layer or one folded over
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  again, we'll call it a double layer, but the outer one is
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  meela, the OR meela. The inner one is the orpria.
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  And if you do 1 without the other, obviously if you you're
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  doing whatever, Emila's going to come first always.
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  So if you're going to do only the outer layer and not the
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  inner layer, it counts for, well, it's as if you didn't do
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  emila. Does it count for nothing?
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  So that's a mochlokas. Does it count for nothing at
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  all? Not a huge Naf kamina, except
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  maybe on Shabbos. Again, not so much enough Kamina
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  Ala Kalamaisa, but maybe for Shabbos can you do, can you have
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  one mohel do the Mila and one do the Priya?
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  So there's a question of well, maybe on Chavez if it's if you
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  do the Mila without the Priya and it's not a mitzvah
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  whatsoever. So anyways, the Rahman, I think
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  the Besio safe say it is helic in the mitzvah, but at the end
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  result you accomplished kind of nothing.
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  But even the beginning is still part of the mitzvah.
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  You're Hyatt Karis. If you do 1/2 without the other.
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  OK, It's more academic than not in general speaking because the
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  MO is going to do the whole thing.
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  OK, Do we have to say anything else?
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  Let's go to hey, OK, hey is important.
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  Yeh sitsin hameh Akhvin hamila, yeh shenam Akhvin OTA.
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  So the expression of seats in, we just pointed out, it just
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  means extra protrusions. It's just an expression for
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  leftover foreskin. It's exactly the same foreskin
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  as the Orla. There's no difference.
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  It's just the expression only applies when you already removed
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  some of the the Orla and some of it is left behind.
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  So you have a little protrusion, a little bump, whatever that
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  didn't get cut. It wasn't a smooth cut.
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  He wasn't holding it well. Whatever the situation is, he
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  wasn't using a shield. When you have a shield, that
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  helps a lot. You hold the whole thing tight
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  and you slice right along the shield, almost like a scissor
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  motion an effect because you're doing the blade against the the
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  skin and the shield together. So you're slicing right across.
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  If you're just imagine just holding it without a hemostat,
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  If you hold it with your fingers and there's no shield going on,
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  you can imagine how it might not be such a perfect cut, or at
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  least I could might not be so straight.
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  This tissue could be flabby. It could be a little pulled tot
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  here and a little bit loose there.
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  And your end result is you have an up and down skin all the way
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  around anyways. But the tighter you do it with a
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  shield, the more it's going to come out better anyways.
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  Let's go on. So that seat seat, in other
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  words, after the oral is done, you can have, sometimes you can
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  have tissue tags or parts of the tissue of the oral that remains
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  and it makes it a hustle press a person.
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  The child is still 100% in RL and you can have some cases
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  where he's actually 100% a Nemo. He's been circumcised
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  hologically so it depends. Kaitzod.
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  How does this work out? I am Nish Armia or or Rovgovo
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  Shala Tara. If from the OR that's left, the
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  OR protrudes the majority of the height from the atara right,
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  They have the the whole atara. At the end we said the whole
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  thing. Halachically, that is the
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  halacha that the whole atara is considered the atara starting
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  from the groove or the sulcus all the way to the the tip, the
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  hole or one urinates from they had a tall entire portion is
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  called the atara. Not just that little thick bulge
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  right next to the sulcus or the groove, not just the chuta
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  sovet, but the whole attara. So if you have or if you have a
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  tissue tag, it could be any thickness, it could be a
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  millimeter thick, It could be a huge area once it go.
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  But if it's even if it's less, even if it's a mashi, it doesn't
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  matter as long as it goes the height from the sulcus.
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  I can just show if you're here. That helps if you have a tissue
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  tag going here up to more than 50% of the height of the atar.
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  OK, So if it goes up more than 50% high, I feel a little bit.
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  Malcolm echoed. Even in one spot, Zelheme
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  akevitemila, it prevents this child from being considered
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  imaho wuquilu lo Nemo. And it's as if he's not Nemo.
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  It's not that you're not Nemo at all.
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  And the process started and something was done.
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  But Lamaisa we say it's like you're not Nimmo Allahukali,
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  you're not Nimmo the imlo niche army menu ella miat the Eno Kofi
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  rov govo shalatara Eno me aqeva Mila.
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  But so sisinama Akvan is if it's the majority of the height or
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  but sorry. And if it's the minority of the
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  height, then it's not me Aqev and the child is 100% Mahul,
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  100% not in RL. Now what about so that's one
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  dimension right up and down. What about all around the
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  circumference, right? We all know it's round.
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  It goes all the way around. So what happens if you have a
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  Masha Hoo go in all the way around Poskin, they call it Rov
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  Hekkef, the circumference, the majority of their circumference.
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  So obviously the entire circumference of Masha Hoo, just
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  a millimeter, just a Masha Hoo going all the way around or or
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  even the majority of all the way around, right. 360° is a
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  circumference all the way around as long as you have these tissue
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  tags are 100, a Machu of 181°, more than half, just a thin
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  amount of tissue all the way around.
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  So that is a discussion in the post game, but it seems pretty
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  clear according it is clear the base Yosef himself writes both
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  in Oracheim and here in Uradaya that it's Mehakiv, the Gemara,
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  the Mishnah and the Gemara discusses.
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  It's more the Gemara, but it's a little bit of both.
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  He's maybe it's Ravina. Whoever it is writes it's rov
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  govo as long as it's rov Govo. And Rashi writes in Koshikane,
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  if it's heckef, just a mashu without Rove global, just a
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  mashu a little bit Rove heckef. So Venus coming to say even if
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  it's Rove global, the makhom ekhad, but certainly if it'd be
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  Rove of heckef, that's Rashi understands the Gemara and so
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  says the besio safe shame hakhom ekhad.
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  The shock brings it here. Koshikane Rove heckef and either
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  one is mehaki of 100% and it's it is called Sitzi and hammer
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  Akwin. And so Pasca and the mishnabura,
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  the Shah tazar Khashoghan vahule that's clearly mentioned in
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  himself. Sholkhana Arak does not clearly
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  mention rov hekhef. That's clear.
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  That's true both in Orahaim, both over here and the
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  expression is slightly different here and in Orahaim and he does
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  use the word afilu here. And I think in Orahaim it's
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  earlier on in the sentence. And so there's a question, what
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  did the Sholkhanar have in mind? Two different ways to explain
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  the Sholkhanar. Interesting.
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  The Riff, the Rambam and the Rush do not talk about Rov
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  Hekkef at all. So I think most will just simply
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  reading the Rambam, the Riff and the Rush without knowing
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  anything else would assume Rov Hekkef does not is not a problem
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  because he doesn't mention it at all.
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  The Kumar only mentions Rov Govo and but to base Yosef.
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  Usually paskins like the Rif rush and arambam.
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  So therefore you would assume he explains the Rif rush and
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  Arambam is also Rov. Hekkef would also be a problem
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  anyway. So it's a discussion.
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  What? What do the Rishonim say?
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  What does Ashokanar say? But Lamai said it's 100% clear
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  the halacha. There's no mahlokas.
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  Everyone says Rove, Rove, Hekev, even Amashu.
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  Is mahakiv. The only, the only thing I'm not
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  clear. Very possibly it wouldn't be
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  doka Shabbos if you already left the bris and come back, I don't
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  know, a few minutes later or after Dishasa Misa.
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  Maybe we're going to get to that in a moment.
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  We're going to get to Shabbos afterwards.
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  If you're do you go back and continue for tissue tags that
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  are not Makkiv, if it's Barov healthcare.
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  So that's going to be, it's definitely it is a discussion.
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  I'm a focus on some level. If it's Doka Shabbos, I'm not
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  sure if it's Doka Shabbos. And certainly according to the
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  Divrekayam, every, every mole is going to push it down.
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  So at the end of the day, what whatever is left, even if it's
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  whatever it's left, every mole pushes down whatever tissue is
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  left. So according to the dvrecayim,
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  you were Makayam already. And so therefore it's another
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  reason why it might not be Doka Shabbos.
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  Once you put away the baby and you're all done.
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  We're going to get into that more how to deal with Shabbos or
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  if Cornfield just pointed out, but I'll just say real quick and
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  we'll explain again. When you're doing a brissimila
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  on Shabbos, if it's seats in on the Aquin, if it's anything
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  that's that's necessary or it's won't be kosher.
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  So you do it on Shabbos. Even if you put the baby away
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  and you come back an hour later, you see, So you still cut
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  because it's a mahaki. If it's still a Shabbos, it's by
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  Yom Hashimini. But if it's seats in the Aquin,
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  in other words, really your yogsay and the baby can go the
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  whole life like this and he's not an RL, he's a Nemo.
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  But it doesn't look so good. So then during the week you'd go
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  back and do it right away because you want it to look nice
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  and be proper and proper besimila and everything.
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  But on Shabbos, once you put the baby away, then you don't go
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  back for these seats in on the Aquin and you don't go back for
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  seats in in on the aquin. And what do you call finishing?
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  So basically it's a it's a little bit of a question.
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  Different posts come exactly. But seats, I don't know, putting
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  on the bandage, whatever it is. I've Kornfeld pointed out that
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  normally it's not a real Shiloh Lameisa because like you're
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  never going to find sheets seats in seats, you're never going to
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  find on Shabbos seats in on the aquin because the matsias says
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  every molla wants generally A molla does a perfect job
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  Halakhali and it's nothing to worry about.
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  And he's every mole on Shabbos or during the week is going to
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  look at it and finish the job right then and there perfectly
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  visit Shabbos during the week. They might leave over whatever
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  and go to the room, you know, 10 minutes later when no one's
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  looking and finish the job. But on Shabbos, every mole is
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  going to do it right? And then they're going to put
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  the bandage on it. So every mobile is going to
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  think it was done perfect. They're going to put the bandage
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  on, put the diaper on. No one's going to look at the
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  baby till tomorrow. So it's never going to come up
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  on Chavez Kumat where you see seats in Hama Akrin.
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  Just a practical. It's not such a question.
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  OK, so let's keep reading. So here the Rama points out.
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  But of course on that same day you want to finish the job and
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  do it right. So if it's on Shabbos, you do
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  everything, even sitting. And if it's not on Shabbos,
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  that's what the word was talking about, you go back even later.
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  And then we're going to discuss that the next two months is
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  basically the whole brothos, the ceremony and then the and then
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  the next one is an hiljo shabos. We'll get there.
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  Let's do valve khatam shibisaro rach uma duldal oshuhubao bassa
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  harbe ache nyerkilo Eno maho. So you have a child and he's got
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  a lot of flabby tissue or he's got a big belly already.
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  Whatever it is, there's a lot of flabby tissue over there or a
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  lot of and right, whether it's whatever the matsias is and now
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  shinachi niraki ilu Eno maho. He looks a little bit like he's
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  not really circumcised. Uh oh.
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  So rowing in the HMIT kasha nira maho ayn sarik Lamu PA amshenit.
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  So OK, so he says you look at him when Yeah, when it's when
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  it's hard, when you the baby has an erection.
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  So again, when we're doing the Eccharmila, when we're doing it
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  the real cutting, you have a an issue de Oreissa and you want to
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  get rid of the Orla de Oreissa. So the postgame, the, the
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  baciosafe, Cayadam and Vinasadam, Qassam, sulphur,
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  mishnabura, the Shahranium, everyone looks at the baby while
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  it's while it is soft. So there's more skin protruding
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  and you want to make sure you cut away everything, even if
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  it's soft all the way down to the bottom, to the sulcus, right
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  to the groove. All right, that's what we
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  explained. Even when there's no erection,
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  the Shah is the Das Yahid who writes, he believes according to
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  the Gemara, it's you check when it's erected.
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  So there's much less to cut, but he leaves it as it's Arafin and
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  everyone disagrees with the Shah.
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  But anyways, the point where I'm stressing, that's here now, this
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  sieve above is the bris meal is over.
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  We're done. Everything's over.
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  We basically wrapped up the baby, OK, Could be the next
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  week, the next day, the next year, whatever the case is after
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  the bris, you look at the child's Ava, could be an adult,
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  whatever it is. And you look and you see extra
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  skin that grew over and it looks like the skin of Orla.
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  It looks like he's not circumcised.
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  So what's the Halafa? So here again, it's a whole it's
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  it's, it's a question right at the level of the Rishonian.
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  But here it's clear everyone looks when he has an erection,
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  which is a cooler because when right when the neighbor is
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  erect, it's going to be longer and there's going to be less
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  skin covering the Atara, the glands.
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  So when it comes to the question of Mari Sahn, he looks like he's
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  not circumcised. He's already halachly
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  circumcised. We learned once you're
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  circumcised, you're always circumcised.
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  Once you're a Jew, you're always a Jew.
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  You can't go back once you're no matter how much, what surgery,
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  no matter what you do, you're always halachly mahul.
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  There's a problem of Mari Sahn. So what do we do?
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  Right? And as I think, I think it was
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  Kramer pointed out. But anyways, I think W Yadua
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  that right, you pointed out that any time you take or skin from
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  the Orla, once you cut it off, you're Mabu.
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  Now you can use that thing and the the more and surgeons do
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  that when there's hypospadias, when you have to make a repair
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  you then you could take that same tissue and now sew it back
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  on to the glands or on to the the atara, because that's that
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  tissue. That's not called that's not
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  called an arrow. That's you were and that's and
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  no one's going to negotiate you for Maris Ayen on this one.
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  And especially as we're going to keep reading, you'll see.
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  So anyways, we look at we look at Marius Ayen only when it's
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  erect. OK, Ayen sari Kwamu palm chain
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  one second. So if it looks OK when it's
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  erect, so then you don't have to do it again.
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  Umiko Mako Misho Marisa Ayen sari.
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  We're talking Ribui, Abbasar, Shumi Khan, Umi Khan.
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  But you don't cut because it looks kosher.
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  It look when, when it's erect, you don't cut.
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  But if when it's soft, you see it, it looks.
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  He looks like an RL. Then you practice you, you push
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  it down. You do what you need to do to
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  push it down as much as you can. You try it with a bandage, I
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  don't know, stitch. Whatever you need to do, you try
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  and make it stay down so it looks like he's Mahul.
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  He was Mahul right when he was a baby.
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  And you try and make it look like it's Mahul even when it's
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  not erect. But you don't do any cutting
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  that's too much. But when it's erect and it still
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  looks like it's covered with foreskin, another it's covered
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  all the way. Sorry, lacto cola basar
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  madudochi anirak and Nemo bishakhi shuyo.
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  So then. If when it's erect, it looks
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  like there's foreskin all the way, covering the atara all the
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  way, then you do the surgery and you remove it.
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  You bring the baby back to the table and you cut away
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  whatever's there. Now the post can point out that
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  you only need, oh, well, actually, it's the Rama.
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  So let me just let me keep reading the Rama Haga, the a not
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  sarichi near the 8 Kishuyo Rova Attara.
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  Now we know for the halacha of doing the brasila the first time
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  Rove is Makov and it's as if you didn't get a brasila.
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  However, for this halacha of Marasain to actually do cutting
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  right, you're doing surgery on this poor child or man on his
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  breast, Mila on his avor. So we're not going to make we're
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  not going to go so far with Mara's eyeing to do surgery and
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  start cutting down there unless it's really bad.
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  So what is really bad when it's erect and it's covering most of
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  and it's mostly covered are fully covered.
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  Let me keep reading. How will the Nemo Pam ajas once
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  he was he did get Emilio Binder Aisa K Hogan properly.
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  A filo ain't no near a rock. Mute Atara Shinimo Sagi.
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  As long as it looks. Again, I don't know exactly
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  where you draw the line, but as long as it looks partially, in
• 21:39
  other words, even less than even if most of the skin grew back,
• 21:43
  let's say it's still OK, right? You you try and you know, you,
• 21:47
  you move it down. You try and do something that's
• 21:49
  not too painful to make it stay down, but you don't cut unless
• 21:54
  it's pretty close to completely covered.
• 21:56
  Where do you draw the line between 100% and I don't know,
• 22:00
  8070%, I don't know. OK.
• 22:04
  Vena tsareka MO shenito miko makram EMF sharp.
• 22:08
  You're talking ID Shim shaka. Or you lower it down, you tie it
• 22:15
  down. I don't think he means a stitch,
• 22:17
  but maybe that would be a good idea.
• 22:19
  It can mean you're sure with just a bandage.
• 22:21
  I'm sure that's what he meant. Until it starts to stay there,
• 22:26
  right? Many times, right.
• 22:28
  You know, if you put pressure on stuff, we know it works by
• 22:30
  braces. You put pressure, things move.
• 22:33
  You know it works with dogs ears.
• 22:34
  You want to change something with the dogs ears, but I don't
• 22:37
  know. Do they do different things?
• 22:38
  You, you put things in place, right?
• 22:40
  They have braces all the time. OK, let's go on.
• 22:44
  I should tell about Villotax or La Mata and then hopefully it'll
• 22:47
  stay that way.