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Killers Amongst Us: Teen barista Samantha Koenig kidnapped at gunpoint (Part 2) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. The disappearance of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young barista, Samantha Koneg joining us to help
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Speaker 1: crack the case. Investigative reporter Casey Grow from Alaska and
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Speaker 1: FBI special agent Bobby Chicone who's actually in on the
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Speaker 1: FBI investigation to analyze the clues left behind. Cheryl McCullum,
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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, and doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: renowned La psychoanalysts. As you know by now, we learned
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Speaker 1: Samantha's kidnap was caught on camera and the critical role
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Speaker 1: that surveillance tape played in the ongoing investigation. In sub
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Speaker 1: zero temperatures, we take a look at all the suspects
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Speaker 1: of the red herring is emerging in the hours and
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Speaker 1: days after she goes missing, and then when it seems
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Speaker 1: as if police and detectives were hitting a wall, a
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Speaker 1: ransom note emerges. Investigators on the hunt for Samantha and
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Speaker 1: her abductor. You can see the individual jumping in through
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Speaker 1: the window. You can tell she's sort of going along
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Speaker 1: with them because he thinks that he's going to rob
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Speaker 1: the place. It just didn't come across to her that
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Speaker 1: she was in danger until he starts locking her out
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Speaker 1: of Nancy Grace killers amongst us. Across the city of Anchorage,
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Speaker 1: police and volunteers are braving subfreezing temperatures in an all
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Speaker 1: out search for eighteen year old Samantha Konick. The longer
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Speaker 1: we go without knowing where Samantha is, the more difficult
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Speaker 1: the case becomes. Police know nothing about her whereabouts, but
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Speaker 1: they have one terrifying clue. She was last seen on
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Speaker 1: her surveillance camera being marched away from work by an
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Speaker 1: armed man. They left on foot. We know that much
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Speaker 1: beyond that, her disappearance became a complete mystery at that point.
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Speaker 1: It happened here at this drive up coffee stand where
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Speaker 1: Samantha worked. When her boyfriend arrived Wednesday night, she was gone.
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Speaker 1: When I got off work, I wanted to go get him,
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Speaker 1: get her, and she wasn't there was It was a mess.
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Speaker 1: Her father's been frantically searching for her ever since. Investigators
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Speaker 1: are not yet releasing the surveillance tape, they will only
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Speaker 1: say the abductor was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt and
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Speaker 1: possibly a baseball cap hampering the investigation. This is Alaska
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Speaker 1: in the dead middle of winter. The snow piled up
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Speaker 1: blocked motorists from seeing the coffee shop from the road.
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Speaker 1: An interesting footnote here, the missing eighteen year old filed
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Speaker 1: a restraining order against a man in November, but never
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Speaker 1: followed through with core proceedings. At least up there maybe
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Speaker 1: more surveillance videos from maybe other businesses in the area
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Speaker 1: that might lead to some extra clues. In a very
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Speaker 1: extra harsh Alaska winter, what happened to Samantha Koenig? Her
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Speaker 1: father who doated on his young daughter is beside himself
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Speaker 1: as the community pulls together, look king for Samantha. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: director of the Coal Case Research Institute, How many times
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Speaker 1: did I argue to a jury? What do you want
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Speaker 1: a video of the crime? I don't have a video.
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Speaker 1: You have to put two and two together and come
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Speaker 1: up with four. But in this case, we have a video,
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Speaker 1: but it's telling me nothing. Cheryl. It's a money tree.
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Speaker 1: We don't ever get video, and if we do, it's
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Speaker 1: grainy or it's just outside the parameter of what you
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Speaker 1: can really see. It doesn't give you much here, not
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Speaker 1: only do we have video. It's from the inside, and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you can tell us an awful on. Let me go
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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned California psycho analystic, joining me
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Speaker 1: today along with reporter from Alaska Public Media Casey Grove,
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Speaker 1: John Lemley, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter and special
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Speaker 1: guest FBI special Agent Bobby Chicon at Bobby Chicone dot com. Dodger.
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Speaker 1: Bethany One really stuck out in my mind when the
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Speaker 1: reporter said she marched. Now, that tells me that this
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Speaker 1: is someone she fears. This is someone that she's not
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Speaker 1: struggling because she knows he's not going to shoot her
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Speaker 1: with that gun. She says, the gun, she sees the
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Speaker 1: disguise and she marches. What eighteen year old does that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, because all they know at this point in
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Speaker 1: their life is friendship and fun and family. I can
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Speaker 1: see that she is absolutely terrified. I can only imagine
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Speaker 1: what is going through her mind. And I wonder if
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Speaker 1: she has been told that if she struggles, she'll die,
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Speaker 1: and so she is in some dissociated state of shock
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Speaker 1: where she's complying with the perpetrator, trying to think as
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Speaker 1: fast as she can, but just doing whatever he asks
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Speaker 1: her to do. But what more can we learn from
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Speaker 1: the video? What sex can we glean? Listen? As daybreak
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Speaker 1: so for Anchorage, Samantha's dad calls the local police to
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Speaker 1: report his only daughter missing. One of our officers contacted
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Speaker 1: the owner of common Grounds Coffee shot and she was
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Speaker 1: able to show them video. A man came to the
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Speaker 1: little kiosk window at eight o'clock. Samantha made a coffee
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Speaker 1: drink for him, turned back around, and then you can
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Speaker 1: tell she's shocked. You see her body language change. She
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Speaker 1: goes from someone who's just serving someone a coffee to
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Speaker 1: being very nervous and very concerned. Samantha turns out the
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Speaker 1: lights and you can see the individual jumping in through
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Speaker 1: the window. You can tell she's sort of going along
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Speaker 1: with them because he thinks that he's going to rob
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Speaker 1: the place. It just didn't come across to her that
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Speaker 1: she was in danger until he starts walking her out
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Speaker 1: of the Samantha the individual leave the coffee stand and
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Speaker 1: then disappear from the line of sight from the camera.
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Speaker 1: The next day, her dad was raising hell about this,
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out where his daughter went. Used this
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Speaker 1: area as a meeting place because this is where my
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Speaker 1: daughter was taken from. People were just literally like, whose
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Speaker 1: basement is she in? Whose door do we have to
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Speaker 1: go knock down to find her? There wasn't any narrative
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Speaker 1: for people to understand what happened. Very upsetting. We knew
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Speaker 1: she had to be here somewhere. We had people who
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Speaker 1: were donating money, thousands of dollars. We had t shirts made,
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Speaker 1: pens made, We had people who were putting flyers throughout
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Speaker 1: the state of Alaska. These people need to give my
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Speaker 1: daughter back so we can get back with our lives.
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Speaker 1: I will do anything. Take me from our friends at Oxygen.
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Speaker 1: Method of a Serial Killer out to John Liley, Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. What do we learn from
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Speaker 1: the video? Well, in the video, Nancy, you can see
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Speaker 1: that someone approaches from a distance, A dark figure approaches
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Speaker 1: that little kiosk, that little coffee shop. It's around eight
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Speaker 1: pm the timestamp. Samantha makes him a coffee drink, which
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Speaker 1: is very normal. She turns back around and it's at
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Speaker 1: this point you can tell that she is really surprised
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Speaker 1: by something. Her body language stiffens. She goes from a
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Speaker 1: barista to someone who is obviously very nervous and concerned.
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Speaker 1: She backs up, She even puts her hands up. Then
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Speaker 1: she very quickly goes across the room and turns out
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Speaker 1: all the lights. And it's at this point you can
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Speaker 1: see a dark figure comes in through that little window.
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Speaker 1: You can tell that she seems to be going along
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Speaker 1: with what the person is asking her to do. She's
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Speaker 1: most likely just trying to do whatever is necessary to
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Speaker 1: get through this. However, she most likely became really frightened
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Speaker 1: when he begins walking her out of that little shop.
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Speaker 1: Samantha and the individual leave the coffee shop, and then
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Speaker 1: the last thing you see is the two of them
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Speaker 1: disappearing out of the line of sight of that surveillance camera.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl mccolluman, director of the Coal Case Research Institute. Something
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Speaker 1: is just sticking in my mind, and that's that half
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Speaker 1: made Americano coffee. I don't know why that's sticking in
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Speaker 1: my mind. Something about it is poignant. But what am
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Speaker 1: I learning? I'm learning that he comes up and he
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Speaker 1: asked for a coffee. She's making that, but didn't she
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Speaker 1: notice anything was wrong when he was hiding himself in
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Speaker 1: that manner? I mean, what led her to go along?
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Speaker 1: With it to a certain point. What's your analysis of
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Speaker 1: what you see in the video, Cheryl McCallum. The first
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Speaker 1: thing that strikes me is he walks up. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: drive up. Second thing, she does not greet him. So
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Speaker 1: if this was somebody she sees every Wednesday, she would smile,
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Speaker 1: she would acknowledge that she recognizes this person. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: do that. He hands her a cup. That's the third thing.
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Speaker 1: So he takes something with him to get her to
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Speaker 1: do something. Wrote she takes the offe, she immediately turns
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Speaker 1: her back to start making the cup. I think that's
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Speaker 1: when his action plan is put into place. When she
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Speaker 1: turns around, he's got a weapon and at that moment
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Speaker 1: he's telling her shut the light out, because Zancy, there's
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Speaker 1: no way an eighteen year old frightened is going to
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Speaker 1: cut the light out. She does that to hide his features.
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Speaker 1: So he has planned this thing pretty smoothly so far,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. In a case like this, with a
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Speaker 1: girl's life on the line, you have to look at
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Speaker 1: every suspect, including boyfriends, past boyfriend's, current stalkers. People that
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Speaker 1: come into the come to the coffee shop on a
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Speaker 1: regular basis, but you can't get away from the fact
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Speaker 1: that this is a goal mine of evidence. This video,
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Speaker 1: Samantha disappears into the night and all we have is
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Speaker 1: this grainy image of her being marched out late at night.
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Speaker 1: What do you see, Well, I see what Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: sees in that she greets him normally, as if he
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Speaker 1: were any other customer. She acts like an eighteen year
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Speaker 1: old wood She calmly goes about her job. She starts
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Speaker 1: making a coffee. This tells me that she does not
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Speaker 1: know him. You know, most homicides are intimate homicides, right,
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Speaker 1: We know that an abductions are intimate abductions. Strange abductions
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Speaker 1: are really rare. But when you watch this surveillance tape,
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Speaker 1: she did not know this guy, Nancy. And again, she's
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Speaker 1: eighteen years old, she's young, she's naive. There is a
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Speaker 1: moment of shock when she throws up her hands, she
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Speaker 1: backs up against the counter, and you can see that
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Speaker 1: she is disoriented and she has no idea what's going on.
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Speaker 1: And it brings to mind at the definition of trauma
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Speaker 1: in my field, trauma is when there is a sudden,
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Speaker 1: unexpected event, for there is no prior learning so something
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Speaker 1: happens to a person and they have absolutely no idea
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Speaker 1: what to do. She has no idea what to do
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Speaker 1: other than to try to protect, defend, and get as
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Speaker 1: far away from the sky as possible with me right now,
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Speaker 1: FBI special Agent Bobby to come. Bobby, just looking at
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Speaker 1: the video, which is extremely rare when someone just disappears.
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Speaker 1: It must be breaking the father's heart to look at
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Speaker 1: this video and see the images of his daughter, possibly
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Speaker 1: the very last images of his daughter in life. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that's what's probably going to his head.
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Speaker 1: At this point, She's gone, who is this person at
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Speaker 1: this window that's causing his daughter so much fear and
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Speaker 1: so much apprehension that she immediately puts her hands up
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Speaker 1: and steps back, steps back away from the window. Tells
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Speaker 1: me as an investigator that he probably was brandish a
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Speaker 1: weapon of some kind, because to instill that kind of
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Speaker 1: fear so quickly and to garner that kind of reaction
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Speaker 1: so quickly, I mean she saw something physically that made
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Speaker 1: her step back. Just a verbal threat from somebody through
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Speaker 1: a small window like that would not cause that. It
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Speaker 1: would tell me that he was probabishly branding a weapon.
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Speaker 1: She saw the weapon and she immediately stepped back and
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Speaker 1: put her hands up. And so as a father looking
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Speaker 1: at that, you know there can't be any more concerned
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Speaker 1: that would make you cause it. I mean, you would
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Speaker 1: look at this and say, my daughter's in danger. When
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Speaker 1: you get a video like this, train professionals come over
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Speaker 1: every detail. What more do we learn? Just a few
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Speaker 1: days into the search, police discover a promising lead new
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Speaker 1: surveillance footage captured by a neighboring business from the night
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Speaker 1: of Samantha's abduction. We're able to determine that Samantha walked
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Speaker 1: to a white pickup truck and then the truck drives away.
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Speaker 1: They could estimate about the year that it was built.
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Speaker 1: It was like a ninety nine through two thousand and
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Speaker 1: seven Chevrolet pickup truck. So at that point it's a
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Speaker 1: matter of trying to track found how many of those
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Speaker 1: vehicles are in the Anchorage Bowl and there were several
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Speaker 1: thousand of them that from our friends at auction method
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Speaker 1: of a serial killer. So now we're learning that video
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Speaker 1: surveillance in the area is picking up more data, more evidence.
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Speaker 1: How does that work? Cheryl McCullum Nancy, They're gonna look
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Speaker 1: for tire tracks, foot prints in the snow. Then again
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Speaker 1: the looking for that particular vehicle where there's a thousand
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Speaker 1: other in the general vicinity. You're talked about a painstaking
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Speaker 1: You know, he's got a work budo, We'll how does
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Speaker 1: everybody else in Alaska? He's got a white truck? Well,
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Speaker 1: how does everybody else in Alaska? So this is the
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Speaker 1: kind of thing they've got to weed out the evidence
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Speaker 1: that they do have. But you know, this guy has
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Speaker 1: obviously put some thought into what I'm gonna wear, what
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive them? I gonna walk up? Am I
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Speaker 1: gonna drive up? So law enforcement had to go through
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Speaker 1: an eliminated, quite frankly obvious elements that just put them
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Speaker 1: behind the eight ball looking for who this person is.
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Speaker 1: Back to John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: John Limley again in a nutshell, What was he wearing?
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Speaker 1: What was his disguise? He is wearing a ski mask
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Speaker 1: and is in all black. I guess the fact Bobby
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Speaker 1: Chican FBI that he was wearing a ski mask. In
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Speaker 1: most places that would send up a red flag of alarm.
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Speaker 1: But in Alaska at night, when you're surrounded by you know,
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Speaker 1: twelve fifteen foot snowdrifts. I guess somebody wearing a ski
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Speaker 1: mask may not have disturbed her, that's right. And you
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Speaker 1: don't see a disturbance in her initially in the first
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Speaker 1: few minutes, so a person wearing a ski mask coming
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Speaker 1: up to the kiosk was probably not uncommon, and so
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Speaker 1: she doesn't react to his initial appearance. How he looked
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Speaker 1: wearing a hood and wearing a mask in that weather
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Speaker 1: is probably totally appropriate. It's only a few minutes into
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Speaker 1: the video that you see a dramatic change in her posture,
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Speaker 1: and that would lead me to believe it. At that
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Speaker 1: point he brandished a weapon through that small window. And oh,
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Speaker 1: during this her dad going bizarre, out of his mind,
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Speaker 1: out of fear. I want to ask for her captors,
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Speaker 1: if they would please send my daughter home. I will
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Speaker 1: give you anything in this world. Call me anonymously, if
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Speaker 1: you don't have to go through the police, I will
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Speaker 1: meet you. I will give you whatever you want. Just
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Speaker 1: please bring my daughter back. I just need her home.
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Speaker 1: Every day she's gone, we're the odds are against us,
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Speaker 1: and I need the whole community to come together and
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Speaker 1: find my daughter. Go door to door every neighborhood and
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Speaker 1: anything suspicious, no matter how small you think it is,
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Speaker 1: call the police, call me. I will investigate it. Just
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Speaker 1: please help find my daughter. Not good. I don't think
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Speaker 1: any of us are holding up in this. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if my daughter's being fed, taken care of, if
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Speaker 1: she's still alive, if she's getting any sleep. I don't
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Speaker 1: think any of us are. That is Samantha's father, James
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Speaker 1: Koenick speaking out and just hearing his voice, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: You know every morning when I take the children to school,
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Speaker 1: I say a prayer, please keep the twins safe from
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Speaker 1: everything dangerous, evil, naughty or hurtful, which is a lot.
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Speaker 1: And that is me just dropping them at school. Here
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Speaker 1: as a dad, his daughter lives with him. She's the
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Speaker 1: apple of his eye, his heart, his air, and his
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Speaker 1: music everything. What can he do? Nothing? How many times
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Speaker 1: do you think he went over and over and over
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Speaker 1: are this video, doctor Bethany, Nancy. He has agonized over it,
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Speaker 1: and one sentence he utters stands out to me, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if she's getting any sleep. And then I
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Speaker 1: don't know if she's dead or alive. And when he says,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if she's getting any sleep. It's reminiscent
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Speaker 1: to me that she was once his baby. I mean,
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Speaker 1: her whole existence depended on him. He's still thinking about
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Speaker 1: her basic needs. Is she's sleeping, is she eating? Is
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Speaker 1: somebody taking care of him? So he's thinking about all
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Speaker 1: the more benign considerations, like her basics needs met, and
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Speaker 1: then he flips to is she dead or alive? It's
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Speaker 1: like his mind is vacillating back and forth between her
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Speaker 1: primary needs and then life and death. What a horrific,
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Speaker 1: shattering experience for a parent. Oh, I can't even imagine.
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Speaker 1: You know what I get, Cheryl. You've been with me
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Speaker 1: through many, many felony trials. When I get in that
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Speaker 1: spot and I'm thinking about the pain and the suffering
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Speaker 1: and the anxiety, the only thing I can do to
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Speaker 1: work through that is to go back to the facts
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Speaker 1: and go over and over and over, kind of like
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Speaker 1: a robot. So at this juncture, a guy comes up.
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Speaker 1: He's wearing a ski mask, he's all in black. But
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Speaker 1: come on, I remember this a trial, and I think
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Speaker 1: it was when I tried the red rapist. If you
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Speaker 1: remember him, he had raped women all across Atlanta, and
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Speaker 1: he had a particular m O and the ones I
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Speaker 1: couldn't get DNA for which were many. I matched up
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Speaker 1: with a modus operandi method of operation, and that was
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Speaker 1: climbing in through a window it was hot outside in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: He would rape the person. Often he would recite Bible
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Speaker 1: verses and then he would leave, sometimes leave a red rose.
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Speaker 1: He would also wear red, hence the name red rapists.
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Speaker 1: So long story short, and some of those he would
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Speaker 1: put pantyhose over his head. And in a surprise move
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Speaker 1: on a now very well known prosecutor, Clint Rucker, who
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Speaker 1: was assisting me in the trial, I brought a pair
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Speaker 1: of pantyhose and in closing argument put them over Clint's face.
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Speaker 1: Let's just say he was not happy, but he didn't
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Speaker 1: show it in front of the jury. I couldn't want
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Speaker 1: an ahead of time because I knew you wouldn't go
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Speaker 1: along with it. Long story short, you could look right
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Speaker 1: at him and you knew it was him. The jury
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Speaker 1: been looking at him for two weeks, so they knew
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Speaker 1: it was him. So in my ladies identified the purp.
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Speaker 1: The defense would say, hey, but ye had pantyo's over
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Speaker 1: his head. I'm like, and that's all you got go ahead,
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Speaker 1: hit me with that. So here my point is a
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Speaker 1: long story to make this point, Cheryl, if this had
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Speaker 1: been her boyfriend, or an X or a regular, a
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Speaker 1: ski mask would not have hidden his identity right. She
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Speaker 1: would have known them. She would and this person clearly
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Speaker 1: he spoke to her, he told her to cut out
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Speaker 1: the light. He as soon as he jumped over the counter.
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Speaker 1: She would have recognized clothing, the stature. She would know
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Speaker 1: him by his eyes. She did not know this person,
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Speaker 1: not when he first walked up. I mean, come on, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: might call him if you came up with a ski
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Speaker 1: mask on. I'm not gonna say how I would know
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Speaker 1: it was you, but I would know it was you.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. I don't know if you've met Bethany
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Speaker 1: in the flesh, Cheryl, but she has. Let me just say,
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Speaker 1: an hourglass figure. If there was ever an hourglass figure,
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Speaker 1: it's Bethany Marshall. So if she comes up to me
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Speaker 1: with a ski mask, I'm gonna know that's Bethany because
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Speaker 1: I know how she is shaped, I know the way
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Speaker 1: she walks. I could recognize her voice anywhere. So who
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Speaker 1: are suspect? What? Nancy? You're identifiable your eyes are very
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Speaker 1: beautiful and unique. Your voice, you're actually if you walked
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Speaker 1: up to me a chaosk and said, bail this cup
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Speaker 1: up with coffee, I would know it was you. But
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Speaker 1: she did not greet this person. There was nothing familiar
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Speaker 1: about him for her. In the studio, Jackie Howard is
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Speaker 1: mimicking the way I walks. I think she would recognize
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Speaker 1: it anywhere if I can jompnop, jump go. Well, all
21:22
Speaker 1: of us have greeting responses. Dogs do, cats do? Humans do?
21:26
Speaker 1: We don't just walk up to somebody without saying something.
21:29
Speaker 1: A dog will jump all over you, a cat will
21:31
Speaker 1: rub up against you. A human vocalizes he's Samantha, how
21:35
Speaker 1: are you doing? How are you feeling? I just thought
21:37
Speaker 1: to combine and say hi. All he does is comes
21:41
Speaker 1: and orders a coffee. So that is definitely a stranger
21:44
Speaker 1: because he doesn't greet her verbally. If he had greeted
21:46
Speaker 1: her verbally, she would have known him and known exactly
21:49
Speaker 1: who he was if they were already acquaintances. So who
21:53
Speaker 1: are the suspects? Who is it? She would not know
21:56
Speaker 1: behind a ski mask. Well, it's obvious that she has
22:01
Speaker 1: taken away against her will, by her reactions, What indication,
22:05
Speaker 1: if any, was there that this was someone that she
22:08
Speaker 1: would have that she knew, you know, that there was
22:11
Speaker 1: some in that interaction that this was someone that was
22:14
Speaker 1: not a stranger her that she knew. You know, I
22:16
Speaker 1: don't think that anything that we released has been characterized
22:20
Speaker 1: like that, and I'd be really careful of that because
22:23
Speaker 1: we don't know. We don't know one way or the
22:25
Speaker 1: other whether she knew this person or she didn't know
22:28
Speaker 1: this person. But if you think about it, once again,
22:30
Speaker 1: from the perspective of what her job is, she's going
22:34
Speaker 1: to have contact with hundreds of people a day, and she,
22:38
Speaker 1: you know, she might know people just by recognizing they
22:41
Speaker 1: may have stopped her copy once or twice. We don't know.
22:44
Speaker 1: So we'll have to wait till the case because further
22:46
Speaker 1: along before we can make any determination as to whether
22:49
Speaker 1: there was a relationship. Does this appear to be a
22:52
Speaker 1: crime of opportunity where someone saw her and abducted her,
22:55
Speaker 1: or whether or not this was someone who specifically sought
22:58
Speaker 1: to you know, knew some at knew who she was,
23:01
Speaker 1: sought about her in particular, it could go either work
23:04
Speaker 1: you're hearing from Lieutenant David Parker, there in Anchorage. But
23:09
Speaker 1: what about the boyfriend? Is it just too convenient that
23:13
Speaker 1: he shows up that night she's not there, and then
23:16
Speaker 1: he's the one that raises the alarm? Straight to Casey Grove,
23:19
Speaker 1: reporter with the Alaska Public Media, Casey, what about the boyfriend?
23:24
Speaker 1: And I think early on, when she was reported missing
23:29
Speaker 1: and people were kind of speculating about what might have happened,
23:34
Speaker 1: I think there was some question of maybe whether or
23:36
Speaker 1: not she had run off with her boyfriend, and pretty
23:40
Speaker 1: quickly became apparent that the boyfriend was very worried and
23:44
Speaker 1: not with her. And as time went on, you know,
23:48
Speaker 1: there was kind of less speculation about his involvement, and
23:54
Speaker 1: you know, information about the video sort of being leaked
23:56
Speaker 1: out by the family, that there was this other abductor
24:01
Speaker 1: that had been involved, another abductor involved. But the reality
24:07
Speaker 1: is you always look, do you not? To Bobby Chicon,
24:11
Speaker 1: former FBI special agent at Bobby chicon dot com, Bobby,
24:14
Speaker 1: you always look at the husband, the boyfriend, the lover,
24:18
Speaker 1: the x. Why Well, because in the overwhelming majority of
24:22
Speaker 1: these types of cases, not homicides that I've worked, the
24:24
Speaker 1: offender comes from one of two worlds. It's the world
24:27
Speaker 1: of the location. In other words, had they hung out
24:29
Speaker 1: at that location and someone just the victim just wandered
24:32
Speaker 1: through that area, or it comes from the world of
24:35
Speaker 1: the victim, so they know the victim in some way,
24:38
Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's the offenders come from one
24:43
Speaker 1: of those two worlds. And so you know, this is
24:46
Speaker 1: where investigators have to play the extremely delicate balance of
24:50
Speaker 1: looking into the boyfriend, looking into the father, looking into
24:53
Speaker 1: friends at the same time when these people are basically
24:56
Speaker 1: grieving or in in a terrible state of emotional the stress,
25:00
Speaker 1: and yet you still have to treat them as persons
25:03
Speaker 1: of interest. So the police and the investigators play a
25:06
Speaker 1: very delicate game here because at the same time you
25:09
Speaker 1: want to be sympathetic to their plight, you also are
25:13
Speaker 1: still looking at them as possible suspects. It's a very
25:16
Speaker 1: very difficult line to tell. Back to Casey Grove, reporter
25:20
Speaker 1: with the Alaska Public Media, how did you ever dig
25:25
Speaker 1: up the restraining order which plays a major role in
25:29
Speaker 1: this When I think back about this case, I was
25:33
Speaker 1: still I mean, I had a couple of years of reporting,
25:36
Speaker 1: experienced journalism, experienced professionally under my belt, but I didn't
25:40
Speaker 1: really know how to go about sort of reporting on
25:44
Speaker 1: a case like this, and some of my fellow colleagues
25:48
Speaker 1: there at the Anchorage Daily News who had more experience,
25:51
Speaker 1: suggested that I go just start looking through any kind
25:54
Speaker 1: of court filings whatsoever that anybody that we know, any
25:59
Speaker 1: name that had come up so far, but definitely Samantha Konig.
26:04
Speaker 1: And in the civil court she had filed you for
26:09
Speaker 1: a restraining order against someone by the name of Christopher Bird,
26:14
Speaker 1: and he she had filed for this restraining order and
26:20
Speaker 1: written a lot of information in the application for this
26:24
Speaker 1: restraining order, and I believe got maybe a temporary version
26:28
Speaker 1: of that that didn't involve her having to testify, because
26:33
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, I don't think that she came
26:35
Speaker 1: back to testify and get the sort of the stronger
26:40
Speaker 1: long term protective order. But there was this information in
26:44
Speaker 1: this filing that indicated that some kind of at least
26:49
Speaker 1: according to her, at least some kind of a sexual
26:51
Speaker 1: assault or some kind of encounter along those lines had
26:55
Speaker 1: happened between Christopher Bird and Samantha Konig just a month
27:00
Speaker 1: or two prior to her disappearance. Oh my stars, Okay,
27:05
Speaker 1: talk about a coincidence. In my book, there is no
27:08
Speaker 1: coincidence in criminal law. To Bobby Chicomb FBI, she takes
27:14
Speaker 1: out of restraining order on a guy that allegedly commits
27:18
Speaker 1: a sex crime on her, or tries to anyway, and
27:21
Speaker 1: then suddenly she goes missing as this winds its way
27:27
Speaker 1: toward court potentially, right, I mean, this will be a
27:30
Speaker 1: first what you would consider as an invest to give
27:32
Speaker 1: your first big break, your first big lead. That she
27:35
Speaker 1: had an adversary relationship with a man who she felt
27:39
Speaker 1: threatened her enough that she filed this kind of paperwork.
27:41
Speaker 1: So obviously, once this was discovered, all a lot of
27:46
Speaker 1: effort would be put into finding this person. I mean, really, Bobby,
27:51
Speaker 1: I mean a t r Oh, you have to go
27:53
Speaker 1: to court, Cheryl McCollum and beg the court to protect you. Right, Well,
27:57
Speaker 1: it sounds like what she did is she went in
28:00
Speaker 1: the initial temporary protectible order, which didn't make her testify,
28:04
Speaker 1: she didn't have to go through that part, But when
28:07
Speaker 1: it got closer to that, she didn't follow up for
28:09
Speaker 1: whatever reason. But there's no question in a case like
28:13
Speaker 1: this you would put all you've got on this guy
28:16
Speaker 1: until you can rule him out. I mean, how many
28:19
Speaker 1: case I can't even count them. Where women go forward
28:23
Speaker 1: to start with in a battery or assault and then
28:26
Speaker 1: as it gets closer and closer and closer, they back out.
28:30
Speaker 1: I've had a woman, doctor Bethany Marshall, California. It's like, oh, well,
28:33
Speaker 1: let's come into court with a broken leg and a
28:36
Speaker 1: cast from the hip down and crutches with her boyfriend
28:41
Speaker 1: trying to drop charges. Of course I did not drop them.
28:44
Speaker 1: I said, blame me, not her, But I mean anything
28:48
Speaker 1: could have affected her decision not to drop charges. She
28:50
Speaker 1: could have been afraid of the guy. Well, Nancy, first
28:53
Speaker 1: of all, remember again she is eighteen years old, Samantha,
28:57
Speaker 1: So this is just a month or two prior to
28:59
Speaker 1: the abduct and she goes to court. What eighteen year
29:02
Speaker 1: old has the wherewithal to go to court to file
29:06
Speaker 1: a tro against somebody? And then, not only that, she
29:09
Speaker 1: is frightened enough of whoever this perpetrator is, that she
29:12
Speaker 1: doesn't even want to face him. She wants to file
29:15
Speaker 1: the version where you don't have to go to court.
29:17
Speaker 1: A lot of women don't want to face their perpetrators.
29:20
Speaker 1: Sometimes they feel guilty, they're afraid that they're going to
29:22
Speaker 1: get their boyfriend or whoever it is in trouble, they're
29:25
Speaker 1: afraid of repercussions. But in this case, fancy, whatever this
29:30
Speaker 1: assault was at the hands of this purp may have
29:33
Speaker 1: been so bad she didn't even want to see him
29:35
Speaker 1: in the halls of hallways of the court. Casey Grove,
29:39
Speaker 1: reporter with the Alaska Public Media. I mean, how can
29:43
Speaker 1: that be a coincidence that a few weeks before she
29:46
Speaker 1: disappears into thin air, she's filing for protection after an
29:51
Speaker 1: alleged sex is sought by this guy. You know, you
29:54
Speaker 1: got to remember, the tension and anchorage is just ratcheted
29:57
Speaker 1: way up because people think maybe she's still alive. There's
30:02
Speaker 1: this reward fund to just try to you know, get
30:05
Speaker 1: information to try to find her. And then you know,
30:09
Speaker 1: it comes out that there's this guy that she found
30:12
Speaker 1: a restraining order against. The kind of like one of
30:14
Speaker 1: the only court filings that is in Samantha Koenig's name,
30:18
Speaker 1: and it's about this incident where you know, she sort
30:21
Speaker 1: of alleges that that there maybe was this sexual assault
30:25
Speaker 1: that happened. Um at the time, it really people were
30:30
Speaker 1: angry at him. They they they saw his videos, they
30:34
Speaker 1: kind of saw this persona that he had as this
30:36
Speaker 1: like hard edged kind of rapper guy. His rap name
30:40
Speaker 1: was White Tyson, and that's that's kind of how he
30:43
Speaker 1: went online. But I actually sat down with Christopher Bird
30:49
Speaker 1: and a friend of his at a lawyer's office as
30:52
Speaker 1: this was all going on, and talk to them for
30:55
Speaker 1: at least an hour, you know about you know, where
30:58
Speaker 1: where he was the night that she disappeared. Different confirmation
31:04
Speaker 1: of his alibi, and he didn't really talk about the
31:09
Speaker 1: incident that led to the restraining order, but sort of
31:12
Speaker 1: played that down like that, you know, was sort of
31:15
Speaker 1: her side of the story and that's not really what happened,
31:18
Speaker 1: and that he just you know, said over and over
31:21
Speaker 1: again that he had nothing to do with her disappearance. Well,
31:23
Speaker 1: I mean, Casey Grove, Alaska, public media. Of course he's
31:26
Speaker 1: going to tell you and some swanky lawyer's office he
31:30
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. What did you think
31:31
Speaker 1: he was going to confess to you right there and
31:34
Speaker 1: hold up his wrists and say tough for me. For
31:36
Speaker 1: Pete's say, well, now hold on, you can't just gloss
31:39
Speaker 1: over this. What do you mean? White Tyson? He was
31:43
Speaker 1: sort of a small time local rapper and had YouTube
31:48
Speaker 1: videos of himself that were a little bit edgy. I
31:52
Speaker 1: guess you could say like there was there was one
31:54
Speaker 1: where he had like a hockey mask on, sort of
31:56
Speaker 1: like Friday the thirteenth and pitbulls and stuff and kind
32:00
Speaker 1: of like tough, tough rap stuff going on in his videos,
32:05
Speaker 1: I guess for lack of a better explanation, So when
32:08
Speaker 1: when we see that she has this straining order file
32:10
Speaker 1: against this guy and he seems a little rough around
32:12
Speaker 1: the edges and has this kind of at least persona
32:16
Speaker 1: as this like tough, you know, rapper guy, it kind
32:19
Speaker 1: of raised a lot of red flags. Jumpy CHERYLD Mike Tyson,
32:23
Speaker 1: as you know, was also accused and convicted of a
32:26
Speaker 1: sexual assault Mick Washington. So I think it's critical again
32:31
Speaker 1: when you have a tear brave rejective order alleging that
32:35
Speaker 1: and you have somebody kidnapped, because as you and I know,
32:38
Speaker 1: normally sexual assault is going to be a part of it.
32:41
Speaker 1: Another thing, Bobby Chicone, you're the specialist with the FBI.
32:45
Speaker 1: What really got my attention was that in the videos
32:48
Speaker 1: he wears a mask. Did you nobody hear that? Yeah?
32:52
Speaker 1: There are you know, there are these obvious indications that
32:55
Speaker 1: this person could be, you know, a solid person of
32:58
Speaker 1: interest in the case. So I think early on reasonable
33:01
Speaker 1: or a lot of resources were dedicated to ruling him
33:04
Speaker 1: in or ruling him out initially, but after intense scrutiny
33:08
Speaker 1: investigation Casey Grove with the Alaska Public Media, Christopher Bird
33:14
Speaker 1: is ruled out and it happened pretty quickly. I think
33:17
Speaker 1: that there was some pressure on the police to look
33:20
Speaker 1: at this guy and you know, confirm or disprove his AUTBI,
33:26
Speaker 1: and it turned out that they could confirm it and
33:29
Speaker 1: figured out that he really didn't have anything to do
33:31
Speaker 1: with it. And I do think that they put that
33:34
Speaker 1: information out pretty pretty quickly after his name was sort
33:37
Speaker 1: of out publicly to make sure that, you know, if
33:42
Speaker 1: he was involved, they were going to make sure, you know,
33:44
Speaker 1: they got the guy, and when they found out that
33:46
Speaker 1: he wasn't involved, they wanted to make sure that the
33:48
Speaker 1: public knew that this was not the guy. So now
33:50
Speaker 1: we're back to square one. Every usual spast in an
33:56
Speaker 1: operating procedure has failed. It's not the boy boyfriend, it's
34:01
Speaker 1: not a customer, it's not the guy White Tyson, Christopher Bird,
34:07
Speaker 1: the rapper, the bag guy she took out the t
34:10
Speaker 1: r O four, So where does that leave me? Police
34:17
Speaker 1: knocking their heads against the walls, a father going berserk,
34:21
Speaker 1: and then out of the blue. Two and a half
34:24
Speaker 1: weeks after Samantha's abduction, there's a chilling turn in the case.
34:29
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend just goes sheet white, he's got his phone,
34:32
Speaker 1: and there's a text from her phone. Basically it says
34:36
Speaker 1: Connor's Park underneath Albert Pick, Ain't she purty? Authority's race
34:41
Speaker 1: to Connor's Lake Park, just five miles southwest of downtown Anchorage,
34:45
Speaker 1: not knowing what's waiting for them. When you enter that park,
34:48
Speaker 1: there's a bulletin board and tech was a zip block
34:52
Speaker 1: bag that had what ultimately was a photograph of Samantha
34:55
Speaker 1: and a ransom note. The fact that there was a
34:57
Speaker 1: ransom note really ratchets upon the tension because she's alive
35:01
Speaker 1: and what are we going to do to get her back?
35:08
Speaker 1: Two and a half weeks after Samantha's abduction, there's a
35:12
Speaker 1: chilling turn in the case. Her boyfriend just goes sheet white,
35:16
Speaker 1: he's got his phone, and there's a text from her phone.
35:18
Speaker 1: Basically it says Connor's Park underneath Albert Pick. Ain't she pretty?
35:24
Speaker 1: Authority's race to Connor's Lake Park, just five miles southwest
35:28
Speaker 1: of downtown Anchorage, not knowing what's waiting for them. When
35:31
Speaker 1: you enter that park, there's a bulletin board and tact
35:35
Speaker 1: was a zip block bag that had what ultimately was
35:38
Speaker 1: a photograph of Samantha and a ransom note. The fact
35:40
Speaker 1: that there was a ransom note really ratchets upon the tension, because, Okay,
35:44
Speaker 1: she's alive, and what are we going to do to
35:47
Speaker 1: get her back? A fuzzy photo, a ransom note texted
35:52
Speaker 1: saying ain't she pretty? Demanding thirty thousand dollars? What does
35:57
Speaker 1: that some reveal her hair in braids? She never wore
36:03
Speaker 1: her hair in braids. I haven't wore my hair in braids.
36:06
Speaker 1: So I was in grammar school. So what would it
36:09
Speaker 1: mean if I came into the studio with my hair
36:11
Speaker 1: in braids one morning? All of these facts matter to
36:16
Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone, FBI Special Agent. Bobby, the case breaks wide
36:22
Speaker 1: open and there's so many facts it's like drinking out
36:24
Speaker 1: of a fire hydra. What does it mean that it
36:26
Speaker 1: was texted? What does it mean that it went to
36:29
Speaker 1: the boyfriend not the dad? What does it all mean?
36:32
Speaker 1: There's a fuzzy picture. You can't really see her that well,
36:37
Speaker 1: but it's enough to identify. It's some matha Bobby, what
36:42
Speaker 1: do you make of it? Well, it's like you said,
36:44
Speaker 1: it's a treasure trove of clues for us to follow.
36:47
Speaker 1: I mean, the photograph would be immediately looked at by
36:50
Speaker 1: our forensic photography people to try to glean to get
36:53
Speaker 1: rid of that fuzziness. What else can we learn what's
36:55
Speaker 1: in the background of that photo, where that might lead
36:58
Speaker 1: to the location where she is, the type of location.
37:01
Speaker 1: Is she inside? Is she outside? Is she in a vehicle?
37:03
Speaker 1: Isn't she a house? You know, So we're looking at
37:06
Speaker 1: all of those things, and then our forensic linguists are
37:10
Speaker 1: looking at the language us Like you said, the language
37:12
Speaker 1: use what does that mean? All of these things? So,
37:15
Speaker 1: really a team is a virtual team is put on
37:18
Speaker 1: something like this, and everybody takes a piece to determine
37:21
Speaker 1: what this particular thing means, because every one of those
37:24
Speaker 1: clues is very deep and you have to pull on
37:27
Speaker 1: that string and take it and that requires a lot
37:30
Speaker 1: of manpower. So I mean, we started looking at all
37:32
Speaker 1: of those things you just mentioned and try to run
37:35
Speaker 1: each of them out to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalist out
37:39
Speaker 1: of California, the words ain't she pretty? Well, it's hard
37:44
Speaker 1: for me to determine. Is that ain't she pretty? Like
37:48
Speaker 1: mocking the victim and mocking the family? Or is this
37:52
Speaker 1: somebody who is very uneducated And this is the best
37:57
Speaker 1: language he can produce, But certainly it tells me a
38:00
Speaker 1: little bit about the emo of the crime. The m
38:03
Speaker 1: is not just to extract money. I mean, thirty thousand
38:06
Speaker 1: dollars is not a lot of money, or at least
38:09
Speaker 1: not here in Beverly Hills where I practice. Well, I
38:11
Speaker 1: don't know what world, Bethany Marshall, but come down to
38:15
Speaker 1: earth with the rest of us. Thirty grant is a
38:19
Speaker 1: lot of money. Well, that's more than what some people
38:22
Speaker 1: make in an entire year, doctor Bethany Marshal. But look
38:28
Speaker 1: at what he did to get it. I mean, he
38:31
Speaker 1: abducted a young woman for thirty thousand dollars. That's a
38:35
Speaker 1: lot of work. Wouldn't it be easier just to get
38:37
Speaker 1: a job. I mean, you know, the emo here is
38:40
Speaker 1: not just money, Nancy. The mo here is to be cruel, sadistic,
38:46
Speaker 1: to mock the family and to say I possess her,
38:50
Speaker 1: you don't have her anymore. I'm going to continue to
38:53
Speaker 1: egg this crime on more and more and more by
38:57
Speaker 1: just eking out all these little clues, like dangling them
39:01
Speaker 1: like a little carrot in front of you, so I
39:04
Speaker 1: can have fun at having power over this victim and
39:08
Speaker 1: her entire family and the community. To Cheryl McCullum, the
39:12
Speaker 1: ransom note and the words which put a chill down
39:15
Speaker 1: my spine, ain't she pretty? And you know he's done
39:19
Speaker 1: her hair because she did not break her hair, right.
39:22
Speaker 1: He chose that, he chose the amount, he chose where
39:25
Speaker 1: to leave, the ransom note. Everything is his choice, Nancy.
39:29
Speaker 1: He chose the boyfriend. And to me, that tells you
39:33
Speaker 1: he's been watching the news. He knows who that kid is.
39:37
Speaker 1: He knows what's going on at the home base. The money,
39:42
Speaker 1: the amount says to me, it's not about money. He
39:46
Speaker 1: didn't take her to ransom her. He didn't ransom her immediately.
39:50
Speaker 1: He's not asking for a hundred thousand dollars and known
39:52
Speaker 1: more bills. He's not telling them where to leave it.
39:55
Speaker 1: He's playing a game with them. Now, Oh okay, in
39:58
Speaker 1: my mind. To Bobby J. Fbi, that makes it worse
40:02
Speaker 1: because he is the kidnapper is playing a game, and
40:07
Speaker 1: the pawn is Samantha Koenig, this teen girl. And it
40:13
Speaker 1: was actually kind of elaborate because we know the boyfriend
40:17
Speaker 1: gets a text and his face goes sheet white. But
40:21
Speaker 1: John Limley, how does the text to the boyfriend relate
40:24
Speaker 1: to the actual ransom note? Well, Nancy, it is a
40:27
Speaker 1: bizarre text and as we've heard, just one jumbled sentence
40:31
Speaker 1: if you can even call it? That Connor Park sign
40:35
Speaker 1: under pick of Albert, ain't she purty? And I say
40:39
Speaker 1: purty that way because it's spelled p u r t y.
40:42
Speaker 1: So police rush to Connor's Lake Park right next to it. Conna, slowdown,
40:49
Speaker 1: so down? Tell me that again. So there's the picture,
40:52
Speaker 1: the photo taken of her fuzzy, but they can tell
40:56
Speaker 1: it's her. And underneath the picture it says what Connor
41:01
Speaker 1: Park sign under pick of Albert? Ain't she purty? Connor
41:07
Speaker 1: Park sign under pick of Albert? What's Albert? Well? Police
41:12
Speaker 1: rush to this Connor's Park, just a few miles away
41:16
Speaker 1: from downtown Anchorage. As they enter the park, there is
41:20
Speaker 1: a big bulletin board right there beside the road, and
41:23
Speaker 1: sure enough, on it there is a memorial flyer for
41:27
Speaker 1: a dog named Albert, and right under that is a
41:31
Speaker 1: zip lock bag with the photo of Samantha and the
41:34
Speaker 1: ransom note. Oh my stars is making my stomach hurt.
41:38
Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon FBI. So this perp, this guy in a
41:44
Speaker 1: ski mask that marches Samantha Knig out of the coffee
41:49
Speaker 1: shop text the boyfriend gives him this information Connor Park
42:00
Speaker 1: sign pick of Albert and under it under a picture
42:07
Speaker 1: of a lost dog named Albert, ziplot bag with a
42:13
Speaker 1: ransom note and a picture of Samantha Koinig. Huge, huge
42:18
Speaker 1: part of the case, huge break in the case. So
42:20
Speaker 1: as odd as it sounds, this was huge news for
42:23
Speaker 1: us and good news that we don't have a abduction
42:27
Speaker 1: murder of the night of the the videotape of that
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Speaker 1: she was taken. We may now have a kidnapping for ransom,
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Speaker 1: so we may now have a living victim. So this
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Speaker 1: energize the investigation. Not only do we and we may
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Speaker 1: have a living victim, we now have contact with the
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Speaker 1: perpetrator apparently. So this completely turned the investigation on its
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Speaker 1: head from a you know abduction and unknown you know
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Speaker 1: results of that too, now an active kidnapping case, the
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Speaker 1: ransom demand. So this really turned the entire investigation and
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Speaker 1: quite frankly brought whole back into a week's old investigation
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Speaker 1: that now we may have the ability to get Samantha back. Well,
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Speaker 1: what does it say to you? Because I feel like
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Speaker 1: it's like a cat playing with a little mouse, and
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Speaker 1: that look in its eyes as it's batting the mouse
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Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth before it pounces and
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Speaker 1: kills that. There's something old on. I gotta go to
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Speaker 1: a shrink. Doctor. Bethany Marshall in the Stephen Avery case,
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Speaker 1: the media darling of making a murderer. He cut off
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Speaker 1: Teresa Halback's hair before he raped and murdered her. What
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Speaker 1: is it? And here we see Samantha's hair. We know
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Speaker 1: he braided it. She's never worn her hair like that.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? It means to me
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Speaker 1: that these perpetrated treat their victims like dolls, like they
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Speaker 1: have complete control over them. Remember BTK, the BTK murderer.
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Speaker 1: Dolls featured prominently in the pictures that he took of himself.
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Speaker 1: When you have a doll, you have complete control over it.
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Speaker 1: You can toss it on the sidewalk, you can rip
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Speaker 1: its head off, you can do whatever you want with it.
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Speaker 1: It is not going to protest. And if you treat
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Speaker 1: a human being, an adult woman like a doll, you're
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Speaker 1: saying you're my possession. I own you, I can do
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Speaker 1: whatever I want with you. And if I was this
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Speaker 1: family and the police at this point, I would be
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Speaker 1: freaking out and I would be trying to prolong this
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Speaker 1: cat and mouse game as long as possible for fear
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Speaker 1: that he's about to move in and kill her. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's another factor too, John Linley. Wasn't there a newspaper?
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Speaker 1: Was she holding a newspaper in the photo? Yes, she
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Speaker 1: was posed with a copy of a local newspaper with
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Speaker 1: the date February thirteenth of twenty twelve. To give that
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Speaker 1: photo of a time stamp or a date stamp to
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone FBI special agent, Bobby, you rattled off so
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Speaker 1: many things that we got to look for in this photo.
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Speaker 1: You said, background, inside, outside, the language, use the money, sum,
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Speaker 1: What are you looking for? What are you trying to
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Speaker 1: find out? Do you look at every single word? And
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Speaker 1: sticking in my mind is the fact that he's spelled
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Speaker 1: ain't she pretty? He spelled it? Pu rt y I
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Speaker 1: think John Linley said, yeah, you're looking at language usee.
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Speaker 1: We have for linguists that determine what those words mean
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Speaker 1: and why. And we have had people means, most notably
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Speaker 1: the unibomber who misspell words on purpose to miss try
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Speaker 1: to mislead us as to their background. So the forensic
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Speaker 1: language are experts at pouring through that kind of stuff.
45:52
Speaker 1: We have our forensic photography people going through that photograph
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Speaker 1: and seeing what else they can clean out of it.
45:58
Speaker 1: We have a psychologist quite frankly, that are telling us
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Speaker 1: what the ransom demand might mean, what the braiding of
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Speaker 1: the hair might mean. So all of this is now
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Speaker 1: creating a picture of the possible perpetrator and possible motivations,
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Speaker 1: and all of that leads to you know who this
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Speaker 1: person is and therefore where they are. What does it
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Speaker 1: mean to you, Dr Bethanie Marshall that he uses the
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Speaker 1: slang ain't and ain't she pretty pu rt Why no
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Speaker 1: fat can be discounted, no clue can be overlooked. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean? To be honest with you. When John
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Speaker 1: Lemley was saying that, I thought, oh good lord, this
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Speaker 1: guy has the mentality of a junior high schooler, and
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Speaker 1: then I thought criminals are not that smart, and then
46:43
Speaker 1: I thought they think they're so fascinating, but really they're
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Speaker 1: pretty boring. So it seems sort of scareotyped and rehearsed.
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Speaker 1: Ain't she Purty? Like he's been watching too many Western movies?
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Speaker 1: But somehow he thinks he's really fascinating, and he's reeling
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Speaker 1: everything and everybody in with this. Let's see, I disagree
47:02
Speaker 1: because a guy that is so sophisticated that he can
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Speaker 1: send a text to the boyfriend who he obviously has
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend's cell number, he must have gotten that out
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Speaker 1: of her cell and then wisely, I mean, I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: that text came from Samantha's phone. Then he has gone
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Speaker 1: to a local park and he has hidden noess in
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Speaker 1: a plastic bag that they can't get prints off, and
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Speaker 1: in that is this same fuzzy picture printed out with
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Speaker 1: the ransom demand. See, I think he's a lot more
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Speaker 1: sophisticated in his deliberate choice to misspelled pretty Purty to
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Speaker 1: me is more chilling than any indicator that he can't spell.
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Speaker 1: He smelled every other word correctly, Bobby Chacone, that's right,
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Speaker 1: And you know we will look at that whether or
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Speaker 1: not this was misspelled on purpose, because that will tell
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Speaker 1: us another piece of the mindset of the perpetrator. So
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Speaker 1: you look at that kind of thing. But in the end,
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Speaker 1: it also we also know that it is unnecessary to
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Speaker 1: a ransom amand ransom demands many times are very businesslike
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Speaker 1: with instructions and things like that. This is a taunt,
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Speaker 1: so you know that ratchets up the concern that this
48:25
Speaker 1: perpetrator is playing games. It's it's a taunt not normally
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Speaker 1: seen in a ransom Amand if your goal is to
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Speaker 1: get money for this person that you took and then
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Speaker 1: release the person once you get that money, there's no
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Speaker 1: reason to taunt the family. There's no reason to taunt
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Speaker 1: the police. So there that tells us there's an extra
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Speaker 1: motivation behind this perpetrator. Eighteen year old Samantha Sammy Kning vanishes.
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Speaker 1: A typed ransom note demanding thirty thousand dollars from Samantha's
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Speaker 1: family was on the back of a photocopy the photo
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Speaker 1: and he sends a text from Samantha's cell phone with
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Speaker 1: obscure directions to the note. What does the note reveal?
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Speaker 1: What do we learn about her kidnapper, and will this
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Speaker 1: clue be enough to bring Samantha home alive? Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye fr