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Bear & Balanced: Same Old Bears or Week 1 Growing Pains? · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Bear and Balance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Jeff Berkis, other side of the screen, Lester A, Wiltfong, Jr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lester, the Chicago Bears, lost the heartbreaker, 27 to 24 to school Vikings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They dropped to Owen 1 in the Ben Johnson era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the good news is footballs back in our life.
0:24
[SPEAKER_00]: How'd you take the game?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Game was was was fun for a minute, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was started off great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb was 10 for 10, right, to start the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had some some fantastic plays individual plays.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the throws he made were just on a rope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, go with his feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's kind of all fell apart, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like three phases.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, all three phases, including the head coach had some mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What he talks about in his press conference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bairzy way to lose an opening game and we hope that it wouldn't happen when we're with Ben Johnson, but I guess we all got a reality check that first-year head coach you're going to have some problems and new offenses are going to have some growing pains and it's not going to be all sunshine and rainbows like we all really really really wanted.
1:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to take a minute to get this guy to get this team where it should be.
1:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I personally will not be of a smirching Ben Johnson's name because, you know, he is my guy, right?
1:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to be probably a little biased towards Ben Johnson.
1:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked a lot of what I saw at him in the off season and camp.
1:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And even just kind of the mentality ahead on the sidelines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this one got away from us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was a lot of reasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope we can get into them tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a lot to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to just talk up top before we got into the category.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but the bear's really suffered here from two defensive pass interference calls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another call I'm gonna get to in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The two defensive pass interference calls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them rewarded a bad under throw by JJ McCarthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nation on right got flagged for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a flag that always comes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that was a bad call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying those calls are bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rewarding bad throws and that was eight yards under throw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was just, it was a terrible throw and we reward that because the receiver trying to come back to the ball, the corner doesn't look back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that call, particularly when it's such a bad throw.
2:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the the ref should be able to just keep that in the back and be like, you know what, that was a terrible throw.
2:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was so far behind, we're not gonna, we're not gonna mess with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other one was, and that led to points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other one was,
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of a a terrible throw by McCarthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was way off and his receiver had slipped into Henry Stevenson and they threw the flag on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It both huge but then the next play the Viking score to touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they would have probably punted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean they were it was like
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been like fourth and two, I think, from a Bob Midfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, either way, like that's certainly, you'd rather have fourth and two from Midfield to fear the bears than you would first and ten from the 25 or whatever it was where they scored from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, two bad calls, and I don't think that in terms of past interference, I don't think that there was a similar reverse in the game where it evened out here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Generally, over the course of time, over the course of a year, bad calls even out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here you had many bad calls and again, we'll get to the third one that I'm very upset about, but those two in particular, one bad call and one call that does get made all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just personally hate it and I think that really did affect the complexion of the game.
3:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm surprised, you know, every year the league, they kind of close over their rules, teams kind of put things in kind of have rules changes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised this one, the underthrowed ball rewarding to the guy with the penalty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised this has never come up because we see it's not just bears games, obviously we see it all across the league, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: quarterback makes a bad throw, really under throws the ball, the offensive player tries to work back towards he runs in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was contact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I mean, it was initiated because of the bad throw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the second one was just as ridiculous as come up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously, the receiver falls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, of course, they're gonna have some contact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say this, the Joe Buck and Trake, and pretty much in all those calls that went against the bears, they were pretty much, yeah, that's a bad call.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just put it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they called it out right at the spot, and who is this new rules, Amos, that they have on MNF, it was like, I don't know, I mean, there's no him at the Nurtary, I don't know where he came from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't catch it completely in real time, but when they were reviewing the Hawkinson play, the non-fumble in that one way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were asking about the punch, but what they were asking about is like, well, if he's holding the ball and he hasn't been touched yet and they only punch the ball, is that a fumble
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[SPEAKER_00]: is basically the football part of the body and once you make contact with the football, which he's holding and he's down, does that make contact?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think that was the question he's asking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he answered like, that's a legal play for you to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a punch, but it's not punching the person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the football and I was like, yeah, dude, of course, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had to punch him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, you're talking to, these are fans, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was such a bizarre rule guy like, no, no, that punch is okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's legal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the dude we know that that's not the question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, all right, let's let's get into the trans tribute here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into the trenches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big guys up front, who do you have who you want to talk about to give trans tribute a week one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were a couple of guys that I don't went with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the last time we had a show together, I kind of took this guy to task.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got my cold bowl of porridge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to represent Dale O-Dangbo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was not expecting him to have a good game at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't really make much noise during camp or the OTAs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Preseason, he was kind of invisible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't expecting anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he came out pretty hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a pass to Fendi at a sack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: got a lot of good pressure, you know, he was going against mostly against the backup tackle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he should be getting these, this play, but hey, you play who you're in front of, you got to do your job and and I thought for for a week one, dayo or dango, look like he's going to be a a capable player for the bears.
6:28
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it, first name I wrote down, you know, he got credited with the sack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more of a pressure that seemed like he kind of tripped JJ up when he tried to flush the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not the prettiest sack that you put on a highlight reel, but it counts because he is the one that made contact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe with his feet, cause him to go down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he, he, he JJ doesn't make it back to the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a sack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it was a two yard loss on that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, same with the the dexter play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like dexter trips him up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a nice like a one-yard loss for dexter counts in the sack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right counts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Javan Hargrave on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Killed one, slowly stepping out for four yards out of behind the line of scrimmage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's closest to the to the to the player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets credit for that sack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, I, I think, I like that you're starting off with that because he did show up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's nice to see that the bears are getting a little bit back from their investment there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to go with the guy that I didn't know is a human person before he played in this football game last night.
7:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Teno Pasigno Pasigno.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you had a big sack and it was a really nice move and he came through and he finished this like that was like the clean sack of the night right like that was the the other two were kind of trip ups where he's trying to flush the pocket again the count.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the roller coaster that he's had right like he was just hey we're going to call you up hey you're going to dress hey you're going to be active hey get in there right like get in there and get after the quarterback you whoa you know that that's that's quite the quite the right for the days so I thought you know it's had tipped to that guy for you know making the most of your opportunity
8:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a nice game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's a veteran.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's been around for a while.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's spent some years with Dennis Allen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm sure he's very comfortable in the scheme.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you may even want to ring with the chiefs, you know, a few years back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's been around for a little.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he's been around a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a vet, you know, he's one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I thought he'd make 53 men roster based based on his, his past within a sound.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, he was on a street when the bears picked them up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not a lot of interest in him at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good on him, like I said, you know, he call from the practice crowd and he made the most of his opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, you can't, can't get rid of Dom, Rob on the active roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs much to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did he play?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know he played.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And perhaps I believe is what I saw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what we doing here with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what I didn't see him on the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you know what I mean, I did, I did see him on a special team's play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw I saw someone run past them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only time I know it was number 90 on the, uh, I'm saying like, maybe you responded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think you saw him on the field, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to the social media portion, speak tweets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start off with you and you know, guy from my former hometown who went to my alma mater, Kurt Warner, had kind of an intriguing tweet out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's worth time to kind of break this down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you say?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I wasn't expecting this from a guy like Kurt Warner, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: but he was impressed, so at Kirk 13 Warner, just finished the Caleb Williams film and thought, it was pretty darn good, exclamation point, and then he went ahead and graded them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the nice thing is he thought up a tweet later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He actually showed his work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He showed how he each played it's a plus, double plus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things where you're like, okay, it's nice to kind of get a chance to see what a Hall of Fame quarterback had to say about him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's been critical of Caleb in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that he kind of came out week one and Ben Johnson, when Bear's fans are for the most part of like, you know, I mean, there are some in the fan base ready to just turn the page.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a bus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're done with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But here's a guy Kurt Warner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He knows the thing a two about quarterback play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is actually a really good follow on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He breaks things on quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has a YouTube page also really good content on there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of nice to
10:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your buddy, pop of scarves has been telling me for a long time, Kurt Warren's the best in the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I liked about this one, you're correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did fall, so he showed his scores.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, here's how many plays that I graded, Caleb with a double plus, with a single plus, with a zero in the, he explained what those were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, in the first half and the second half break down, first half, so obviously better than the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then he followed up with his notebook and and his notes and and I think that it was it's worth going on and looking and I think it's actually really good if you take the grading scale that he puts out there go through the game field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, try to try to, if you have access to the L-22, that's ideal and go through and try to work your way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you kind of like this stuff, try to work your way through and say, you know, what did he do here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he do something?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of extraordinary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's being a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he do something kind of extraordinary?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he, you know, make a big mistake?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, did he miss something?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But still made a play out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, those were the kind of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: match up with what Kurt Warner has and the other piece that I like about it is that this is much closer to what a team is going to do a team is going to go through they're going to go through play by play they're going to grade on something similar this the scale like this is I think totally normal
12:10
[SPEAKER_00]: grading system that they're going to be consistent with throughout the year, so that quarterback's going to know, players are going to know how they're doing on a game-to-game basis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not to still down into one nice little pretty number, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The service out there that does that, I think does a disservice to football discourse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing that Kurt Warner said that I think is really important is that he said the degree of difficulty that Caleb was operating with was much higher than what JJ McCarthy was operating under.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, again, if you were going to put scale on this sort
12:53
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, gymnastic scoring or swimming diving scoring or something like there's a there's a degree of difficulty on on some of these some of these throws some of these plays and if you execute the hard ones well, that's kind of worth more points than it is to run more simple stuff and get figured out and maybe has a has a ceiling on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this stuff's really complicated and this is part of why I get so frustrated with
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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to distill things down to a single score, and then trying to compare that across the lake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the attractiveness of that concept, that idea, I just don't think it works very well, particularly with football, particularly with quarterback play, like the most complex position inside of the most complex sport, does not really lend itself to being distilled down to a single number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I love that Kurt did this and I love that you wanted to highlight it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I said, the key for me is he followed his work, you know, it's like when I'm doing sac watch, that's kind of what I promised him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I try to show my work as much as possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you're going to break things down, you got to kind of explain what you're doing there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I have graded, you know, offensive line in the past, again, I'm always willing to show my work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a simple, simple concept, you know, a Quentin Crisco does a great job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he does, he's graded the old line as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He always puts his work out there for everyone, so
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there are places you can find where it's a little bit more in depth as far as just, you know, throwing on a grade and saying this is what it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And those are kind of who I kind of go towards because I want to know more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know why behind it and sometimes if you don't give me a reason, then why am I looking at what you're doing if you don't really can't explain why you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go back to your math teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys show your work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I try to do that all my stats articles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I try to show my work with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you see even though most of you guys don't care, you just want to skip to the answers, but I think it's important that you can replicate it if you're interested, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That stuff's important to me.
14:47
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so for mine, I went with Jeff Schwartz.
14:50
[SPEAKER_00]: We love Jeff Schwartz here, even though he spells his name with a G. He says, yo NFL, we have to do a better job on this snatch trap splash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: holding calls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's just not holding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the cleaner splash technique executions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't see the entire block, you shouldn't flag the end result.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's bad please stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what he's talking about, this is obviously the Darnell Wright penalty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the turning point of the game, Lester, and I hate that I'm saying that about a yellow flag on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, so I, I know it is a snatch trap technique, he calls it a splash technique, whatever, I'm sure it has four other names too, but every code that some different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, essentially, you know, if.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're the offensive lineman and you've got a defensive lineman with both hands that are extending into you and you smack them down like because you're trying to disengage that and then reengage because you want him you want to get the defender and the shoulder pads right and so and he wants to extend you so that he can move you around and get past you right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the technique is free for the offensive line, but to come down and get those arms off of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Darrell, right, is a big dude, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how big is this guy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 350 plus, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a, I don't know, 350.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big dude though, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's coming down and that defensive lineman is ready for it and that his arms get smacked to the point where hit the momentum takes him to the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he just hits his arms and he falls to the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a it's a perfect execution of that block technique, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The the the head referee who is looking at Caleb sees this out of the corner out of his periphery right and look I'm I'm not as old as that referee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how old is my eyes are aren't getting any better though the longer I am around here, but like I'm having a hard time thinking that I know exactly what just happened out of my periphery if I'm if I'm facing this way, but he sees it he looks over and he sees
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[SPEAKER_00]: The end result, which is the defender on the ground, and Darnell right kind of going down and kind of giving them a shove totally legal like there's nothing wrong with any piece of this and he throws the flag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bigger problem here is that killed Williams completes a pass to the Andre Swift makes a nice run that's first down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at the 12th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are in the red zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're up 17 to 6 at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're locked into three points here and maybe seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is potentially the ballgame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is potentially putting them away fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was just now for that pick six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this penalty changed the course of the game because it backed them up.
17:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They had more mistakes.
17:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Cairo Santos misses the 50-yard field goal.
17:44
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, Minnesota takes over have been field like it is a cascade of bad because of one terrible call.
17:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that call was bad.
17:54
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about if you look, you never want to blame it on the rest.
17:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You never want to save that to reason.
17:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I talked about it top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a three phase failure on the bears they had mistakes at every level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The coaching the coaches had some mistakes as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, the refs were also add something and meant like this, this was a terrible terrible call that I can talk about can take me called it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the online parts of social media they called it out and look, it's always crazy because
18:22
[SPEAKER_02]: All-Lion Twitter, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Garlic Schwartz, Sprangathon, all these guys at your old recruits, they are always breaking down some of these ridiculous calls, and then you always get the casual fan to there.
18:31
[SPEAKER_02]: That was clearly a hold.
18:33
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like they're talking about, it's just because they see the jerseys you get a little like this, or they see a little grab here.
18:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, that's okay.
18:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're allowed to grab, you just can't hold, you know what I mean?
18:45
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a difference in the two, so
18:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Terrible terrible colleague said it definitely took points off the board possibly there because, you know, it just kind of, you know, look, it's a momentum game right turning points happen in the NFL and that was a big one for the bears.
19:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not over it.
19:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That one, Burleigh, but I could tell I could tell it was a animated there is one.
19:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, like one, it was like great, it was.
19:12
[SPEAKER_00]: to characterize for making a great block, which happens.
19:18
[SPEAKER_00]: There has been times where I've seen it just in offensive line in general, but I've seen bears offensive line and make great blocks.
19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And because the guy gets beat so bad, he somehow draws a flag.
19:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And this one was such a pivotal point, and would have been so,
19:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the game is one, like that is how, yes, they made a bunch of mistake, the bears made a bunch of mistakes here, but the bears are going to get this game into the fourth quarter and put on additional points here, I mean, it's to me, the games essentially over if that calls not made.
19:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So do you want to score it seven?
19:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would have been done.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's seven for sure, but even with three puts you up two scores, I mean, it's just the different ball game.
19:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you feel a lot better about, you know, again, it's momentum.
20:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you feel a lot better about where you're at with everything and act.
20:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you kick the ball off.
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't stand the ball to a moment midfield.
20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and again, we'll get the Cairo in a minute here.
20:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But all right, caught up in a numbers game.
20:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about your stat of the week.
20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you come up with?
20:17
[SPEAKER_02]: My number is the number three.
20:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And did you realize the bears not did not allow a single third down conversion through three quarters?
20:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Bikes were over?
20:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Or felt like it?
20:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Bikes were over.
20:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But then in the fourth quarter, things changed, obviously, the Vikings converted three out of four.
20:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, it really led to the big comeback there.
20:39
[SPEAKER_02]: They, of course, they outscored the bears 217.
20:43
[SPEAKER_02]: 169 yards and at 4th of Chicago 63 so you know it was it was going good you know for the most part as bear's fans, you know even when it got a little you know close there the bear still had a pretty good hand of the game They were up to scores and then it just kind of just all fell apart and stop at about third down I mean I'm not sure the last time I remember the bear is holding a team you know
21:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the defense got tired.
21:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what, I mean, the buttons are pretty good football team, I'm sure they made some adjustments there, but just it was just rough that they could not get a stop there in the fourth.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, that happens that the offense wasn't doing their part in terms of trying to trunk some clock off, right?
21:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was part of it.
21:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't run the ball.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't take any time off the clock.
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, those phases play a hand in hand.
21:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And when the offense can't,
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: do anything but three and out in the fourth quarter, you know, you're keeping that defense on the field and they're wearing down.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You also had three starters missing.
21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we haven't mentioned that yet.
21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: There was there was two guys in the secondary gone and TJ Edwards wasn't available for this game.
21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in your best player, you know, Jeff.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: John Johnson is your best player.
21:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Gordon right there, right?
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so you missed a lot of talent on that team.
22:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're counting on backups.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also the first week of the year.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And so even though you think you might be ready for a conditioning standpoint or remembering how to gauge your stamina and your butt, it happens.
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You see guys cramp up all the time.
22:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Nation on right had the calf cramp.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You see that all the time in subtemperful fall just, you know, it is what it is.
22:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think more than anything we should be encouraged by what the Bears Defend Show against a Kevin and O'Connell offense, but it didn't finish, right?
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think a lot of people are going to focus on that.
22:42
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, my stat is 29%.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the percentage of off target throws from from Caleb Williams.
22:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It becomes not the 10 out of 34 passes.
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He had 35 attempts, but that number, which is the only, that's the only number I saw was 29% and 10 out of 34, you know, checks into that.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there must have been a throw away.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: or maybe a bad at ball or something that they're just not counting.
23:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm not sure exactly.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see what each throw was rated as, but that's the rate that they, that's the stat, whoever keeps that stat, that's what they said, you know, tweeted out by a few people including a Courtney Cronan.
23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a bad number, and it sure felt like that, right?
23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you had the early, and we'll get into Caleb's stats, but you know,
23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, you had a lot of inaccuracies throughout the game.
23:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can get into it a little bit, but I think for the most part what the inaccurate off-target rate, they're just their non-competitive throws.
23:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's, you know, you're not giving your guy a chance, you're not giving, well, maybe I suppose you could be throwing a pick with an off-target rate, too.
23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're just, you know, you're not giving your guy a shot.
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I, in my amateur, very amateur quarterback view, you know, I can throw football, okay, you know, we've, we've had this conversation a few times.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think that his, his feet weren't matching where he was throwing, he wasn't pointing his foot, you know, that,
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Very basic.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: These professional quarterbacks can get away with a lot, right?
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they can throw off platform, they can jump in the air and they can they can hit an accurate pass like they can do crazy stuff, but in general for most of us mortals, you basically point your foot where you want the ball to go.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're pointing your foot here but you're trying to throw it over here, it tends to be a little less accurate and you can really spray the ball.
24:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's to me, that's what I saw.
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't really setting and he is so good when he does that when he's able to put his mechanics in a beautiful mechanics, right?
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But when he's off,
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: that can, any quarterback that can spray the ball.
24:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't, he talked about losing focus.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He talked about, you know, just not, not being, he said something about not being focused for a firm minute.
25:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's really showed in this number.
25:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, let's say, uh,
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you want to roll right into the Kale corner here.
25:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we already got a little bit in the mind here.
25:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just was rough.
25:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he just, you know, like I said, 10 to 10 to start, right?
25:22
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, he finished 11 of his final 25 passes.
25:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't not a very good finish.
25:28
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he looked, he looked off, off target.
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, the Vikings have a good defense.
25:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And he moved them off a spot quite a bit.
25:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And you talk about how, you know, when you get off your spot, that's when the inaccurate passes happen.
25:40
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw this, you know, wide open touch on D. J. Moore.
25:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, wide open, right?
25:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
25:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
25:45
[SPEAKER_02]: What he saw there, you know, I've seen some of you mention he's seen ghosts because of the 68 sacks last year that that could be part of it, right?
25:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Part of it could just be that he's just, he was, I talked about this in a, in a chat room.
26:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson had to break him down, right?
26:03
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave him so much stuff this off season.
26:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He talked about it, he'll talk about it, and not just Caleb the whole offense.
26:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He put a lot on their plate.
26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
26:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He's breaking these guys down, breaking Caleb down in order to build them back up.
26:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we don't want to see these growing pains, you know, but, but they're there.
26:21
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was talking about my guy, my guy's my guy's scarves.
26:24
[SPEAKER_02]: He mentioned it.
26:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget who who had this was Bill Walls or Bill Parsell said, you don't know what quarterback is until I think, you know, 25, 26 starts out, right?
26:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb's in, you know, start number 18.
26:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we, we should know Caleb is around mid-season.
26:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I think about this year, the bears have that early buy.
26:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So the four weeks to play, the have a buy, then Johnson now kind of go back to the lab and say hey this is who we are.
26:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, identity as a team, which he said he had in the figure out yet.
26:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to revolve around Caleb somehow some way.
26:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I just hope that again, my trust is in Ben.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
26:59
[SPEAKER_02]: My trust is in Ben Johnson getting this team figured out.
27:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether that's with Caleb or not, I mean, I trust what Ben Johnson is going to do.
27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is not to excuse anything.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want it to come off like that.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think we have to remember that this is a young quarterback.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And a couple of his draft class contemporaries were in college football for five years.
27:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And Caleb was in college football for three years.
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Jane Daniels comes in and he's flying high.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He was in college for five years.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: right he got a lot of time on task he got a lot of reps right and you know he had to learn he transferred and had to kind of find his way and learn different systems like good for him right like I'm I'm happy that he's finding success in the NFL not really that happy but like you know he good for him right and there you know panics is he was in the the league for five years I don't know how panics did but Drake made Drake made didn't have a great day
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: on Sunday, you know, and he was like, hey, look, he's a younger guy, JJ McCarthy, JJ McCarthy didn't do much.
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he was hurt last year, so he's had his first start, but like, you know, he didn't have a lot put on him.
28:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he obviously had a great finish.
28:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that great fourth quarter.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, these guys are young, they're learning.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They do need the time on task.
28:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what's frustrating for a lot of people is, you guys said that this guy was the man.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was gonna come in and just be great right away.
28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: We all would have loved it if he would have come in and been just in Herbert and had instant success.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't happen, right?
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And didn't happen because of last year's staff
28:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, now you've got, you know, Ben Johnson who should have been here last year.
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But wasn't, so he's probably has to wind back some things that were that were bad from from the previous regime and honestly probably some bad college instincts that follow some of these guys that are so talented that they can get away with stuff, right?
29:15
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, we hate that more than anything in the world.
29:19
[SPEAKER_00]: 86.6 rating, which is pedestrian, he did run six times for 58 yards and a touchdown almost a second touchdown, which then, of course, led to the passing touchdown and run with Dune Zay.
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked,
29:32
[SPEAKER_00]: fast.
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's done that in the past, but I think he looked maybe just a step faster.
29:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's going to be interesting to see if he's going to use the wheels a little bit more of this year.
29:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure about that.
29:45
[SPEAKER_00]: The one major concern I have is
29:50
[SPEAKER_00]: The great t-shirt underneath the jersey, what, what in the world are we doing Kayla Blake that I mean for a guy that's so into fashion.
29:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That that didn't work for me.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I hopefully he trashes that that that that's a weird look.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked high school kid, you know, but nothing made sense with that for me.
30:08
[SPEAKER_02]: you know the NFL has a fashion place like they have a guy.
30:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm curious if he gets fine for that.
30:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you'll get fun because I'm with you.
30:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I don't understand to look.
30:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he had the socks down and preseason with some like okay I'm not sure what's going on here to forget you know then then I see him this week on and he's you know he these guys are all individually all want to kind of you know beat B flashing and do their thing and
30:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't get the great maybe it was a white or if it was a navy or maybe even orange maybe but the gray I didn't I didn't get the great I just don't understand like, you know, People move more like, you know, like a full,
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: of layer underneath, you know, like a mock turnl neck or something like that.
30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, you know, you've seen a lot of different stuff.
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, seeing some guys like wear hoodies underneath their, uh, that doesn't make any sense to me.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, they could just, this like t-shirt, great t-shirt.
31:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, a lot of, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
31:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I, well, I, I, it looked terrible.
31:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, you know, if you just like, hey, you know what, like, you just, like football players, not quite as bad as baseball players.
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Football players can be a little superstitious.
31:26
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
31:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, it might be one of those like, you know what, that was a bad game.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get rid of this bad juju, get it out of here, and not do that again, right?
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's, that's my appeal to Caleb.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I think overall rewatching the game, you know, reading some stuff, breaking some things down, I think I,
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: understand a little bit more that to me there's there was a lot of open receivers that he he turned down and and so I think that's something that he's going to he's going to hear about the film room.
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I I also think that there was maybe a little more pressure in his face than I kind of thought on the first run through and and I think that overall he just he seemed like he got out of rhythm and he he got young quarterback feet.
32:07
[SPEAKER_00]: and I want him to be beyond that, and maybe the time on task just isn't quite there enough for him to be able to lock in and get rid of that, and you know, he was a little jumpy.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that tip to Brian Flores who got talked about more than any other coordinator,
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You will ever hear on an national broadcast.
32:26
[SPEAKER_00]: They brought him up and showed him so often, right?
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he is so well respected.
32:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a little bit of like, OK, maybe we do need to take a half step back and say, this was a 14-win team last year.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a really good, creative, aggressive defensive coordinator, and even though Caleb handled these guys pretty well last year, let's tip your cap a little bit to him getting after Caleb and confusing him.
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And Caleb still didn't turn over the ball.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the great, the game script itself is I think way, why bears fans are so upset because if you just look at the scores, the numbers, hey, man, they took a, you know, they were right there with a team that was a 14 when team last year.
33:07
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a much more very well coach team, very talented team, you know, I expected to be a close game.
33:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the bears are going to pull it out.
33:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought they had a little bit extra thought the, the
33:16
[SPEAKER_02]: being at home, I thought they would have something, JJ McCarthy did not look very good for most of the game, and all of a sudden he got hot at the end, and I thought they would be able to pull it out.
33:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But the game script, the way it was, the way it looked early, we're just like, oh yeah, the bears are going to be, they finally got to figure it out, and then kind of just things kind of fell apart.
33:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, they really, they'd bear it up.
33:36
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we hope that that was out of the system, but I guess there's a little bit of that flucy stink on this team that they got to kind of shake out of their system.
33:44
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33:47
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36:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Three bears.
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36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Lester, let's talk about the three bears.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Hot bull apport of cold bull porridge and just right, who'd you have for the hot?
36:17
[SPEAKER_02]: How was tough this week?
36:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Lester had to bear started off good and all kind of fell apart.
36:22
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna go DJ more.
36:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
36:25
[SPEAKER_02]: When I want to watch back the film, I saw him run his nice routes.
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw him open.
36:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably a few times where he should have been hit.
36:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked about the touchdown that he was missed on early.
36:36
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a few other plans where he was just open and he was missed.
36:40
[SPEAKER_02]: He had three runs eight yards, three catches, sixty yards, but he got obliterated at the end of the game.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: He was down in the field for a long time.
36:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought something was serious here.
36:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming they checked in for a concussion because he was kind of wildly for a while.
36:57
[SPEAKER_02]: He looked like something was going on there, left the game, and then he's back in the game a few places later.
37:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And then today at the press conference, Ben John said, no injuries from the game.
37:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He got destroyed.
37:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was hit, he was down hard.
37:12
[SPEAKER_02]: popped up, you know, that shows toughness from DJ.
37:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, he's playing some tailback now for the team.
37:18
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a team guy.
37:18
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a bad rep last year.
37:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Last year was not the best year for DJ Moore.
37:21
[SPEAKER_02]: He had some problems coming off the huge contract.
37:24
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have a season go like he had hoped.
37:27
[SPEAKER_02]: But so far from one game, I got to give it a DJ Moore.
37:30
[SPEAKER_02]: That was that was a gutsy performance coming back in there.
37:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I already broke his arm.
37:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, I was, I was like, I don't know.
37:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a burden, you better be ready.
37:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the great, great call there.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to call out nationwide, right?
37:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Because,
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really expect that much, particularly against, you know, maybe being up against, you know, the one of the best white receivers in the league from time to time.
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And he got a pick six, man.
38:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was on the practice squad for the for the Vikings last year, right?
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that's what the kept saying.
38:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And
38:07
[SPEAKER_00]: to get a pick six against the team that you were just on like I don't know that's that's pretty cool that's revenge game right there right and and so I think you had to get a tip your cap to that that was pretty cool also I wanted to mention Devon Duvene because he didn't have a very good year last year in Jacksonville that's what our friend Taylor Doll says like I wasn't really very good last year in Jacksonville
38:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But he, I thought he, he looked like a professional return guy, right?
38:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, the not all the returns were great, but he had a little juice on a few and and I thought that overall he looked pretty good and so I wasn't necessarily expecting anything and I thought, yeah, and I think the returns are going to be fine.
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: As a gunner, not great, which is interesting, because he probably should be pretty good at that, but he didn't look like he was definitely didn't break that and make a tackle on one of the punts, which I think we're going to get to in here in a second.
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But overall, I think in the return game, I was pleasantly surprised.
39:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought he had a nice game.
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a couple bubbles, couple double catches, they something that they call it.
39:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that he has, like I said, he looks like a professional trainer, you know, the bear's not always had that.
39:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the bear's ever really struggled with that.
39:22
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of why they paid him with the paid him.
39:23
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to have a guy that can come in, they trust who can do it.
39:28
[SPEAKER_02]: He's returned kicks.
39:29
[SPEAKER_02]: He's returned punts.
39:30
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's a guy that I don't think that,
39:32
[SPEAKER_02]: having a back there, the bears won't have to worry about, you know, that happening with the bubbles or the fumbles or things like that.
39:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's a pro.
39:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's good to see him back there.
39:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a short-term deal.
39:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably going to be his only year in Chicago.
39:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Next year, I'm sure they'll have another guy doing that gig probably.
39:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Luther Burton, you know, we kind of saw him get a chance to return a kick.
39:52
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see kind of how the the roster shakes out, but it's nice having a guy back of that can do it.
39:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And then with right kind of weird a weird career for him like said he was on the Vikings practice quad last year at some time in Dallas working with bears D. B. Coach y'all Harris.
40:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He has some some some starts in the league early on his career.
40:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
40:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't expecting much and when the bears picked them up prior to the off season, but then he was running with the ones, filling up for Jalen Johnson.
40:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, maybe he's got something you look kind of rough and preseason.
40:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of have to see what happens here with him.
40:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, he looked pretty good.
40:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Overall, like I said, the bears are down so many defensive backs.
40:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone had to step and make a play and he stepped up and made a play.
40:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a pick six.
40:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to call you out.
40:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's my favorite play football.
40:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, first you want to go here.
40:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going back to the online.
40:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going back to the trenches.
40:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, big trade for the bears, Jonah Jackson.
40:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he was, he was pretty bad.
40:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his run blocking, his pass blocking.
40:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Really nothing he did really set out.
40:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And not only the bears trade form, but he is just a day three pick no big deal.
41:05
[SPEAKER_02]: But the game new paper.
41:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And also they, they sign him to an extension.
41:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope this is not the Jonah Jackson.
41:11
[SPEAKER_02]: The bear's fans are going to get here for the next few years.
41:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of reminded you of a Nate Dave situation.
41:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of just was a bring him in.
41:18
[SPEAKER_02]: High hopes and he was bad.
41:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully he's just a one-game dinner thing for Jonah Jackson because he did not look good.
41:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, to be fair though, the Vikings, you know, you already mentioned hard graves, Jonathan Allen.
41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a pretty good defense of lying there.
41:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So you hope maybe when he faces a little lesser competition he kind of gets his feet under him, but yeah, Jonah Jackson got to call him out cold bowl.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're, again, smart, D-Line good talented D-Lineman.
41:47
[SPEAKER_00]: They were given Joe Tuney, you know, everything that Joe Tuney needed to, you know, to good handle as well, like, I mean, Joe Tuney was up to the task, but this is, it's a, it's a strength of their team for sure.
41:57
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I'm going to go the guys with legs that we count on, Cairo Santos and Tori Taylor.
42:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take them one at a time.
42:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Cairo Santos.
42:06
[SPEAKER_00]: missing the 50 yard field was sneaking in the field goal that he did make, which, you know, you made it, so whatever, but, you know, accuracy issues from him, they're not, you know, you're a little nervous, and then that leg strength just isn't there, right?
42:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're worried about longer field goals and you're watching across the league where these guys, and in this game, the, you know, the Vikings kicker kicked the 59 yarder,
42:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Pat McAfee was talking about the cable rule change and, you know, he's a former puncher, so he is thinking about it from that perspective too, but, you know, the punters and the kickers are now able to work the football is much longer, and so that they can get more yardage off of their kicks because they're able to break them in a little bit more.
42:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, well, maybe Cairo will benefit from that, but like the whole league has benefited of that.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing these guys being able to boom, you know, high 50 yards, 60 yard field goals.
43:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And Cairo still just behind, right?
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you've got a guy who's kind of expensive relative to kickers, and he's not a top half of the league kicker.
43:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we like
43:17
[SPEAKER_00]: like to Zach your C, but he doesn't have the big leg and it was quite a sort of a perfect storm of terrible where you needed him to kick the ball out of the back of the end zone.
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody's like, kick it out of bounds, and yes, and hindsight, that's absolutely true.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kick it out of bounds, take the penalty.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But you need your kicker to be able to kick the ball out of the back of the end zone when you can because all of these guys across the league can do it.
43:41
[SPEAKER_00]: When they're kicking off, they just boom it out of the back of the end zone.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know, I don't have stats in front of me to back this up, just like watching football though, that the kickers on in the NFL can kick off the ball through the back of the inzone and not have a return.
43:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He needed to do that.
44:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That was what was needed in that moment.
44:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And he got it six, seven yards deep in the end.
44:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So it became a real problem.
44:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about Tori Taylor real quick.
44:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched the game, I paid attention to the puns because I thought this was a terrible game.
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: The punty lyrics guys have as a pretty bad score, one because he got a pump blocked.
44:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of it's because of the the returns and so generally when you have a big return, it's it's either, you know, you line drive to you have kick recover injury, basically like you didn't have any hang time on it, you gave a guy a free lane.
44:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was kind of all of those things that happened like there was one just line drive punt.
44:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was one where there was pressure in to Taylor and he impacted how he got the ball off.
45:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was a bad punt.
45:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he had the one blocked, right?
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are, I think there was three that I would put on Taylor.
45:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there were several where the gunners just aren't winning.
45:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:11
[SPEAKER_00]: They just like, you know, a lot of times
45:17
[SPEAKER_00]: running away from the guys that are supposed to block them if not both.
45:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just didn't see that from the bears.
45:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the the the Vikings guys had the bears gunners blocked pretty well every single time.
45:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's the gunners weren't making any plays.
45:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the gunners weren't making tackles.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It was other guys on the punk coverage team.
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a that's a that's a problem.
45:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we we talked about it in the free season.
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, and it's rearing its head here, I'm not worried about Taylor in terms of being able to recapture what he was.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He was really good at open field funding last year.
45:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this to me seems like a one off, you know, the pressure was in his face maybe he needs a speed up his process a little bit.
45:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that can get fixed.
45:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm, they need to find some gunners and they were, they were Mexican imagine them.
46:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So there, there's something that, you know, Richard Heithauer is going to have to figure out this week because that's unacceptable.
46:08
[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned Richard high tower, the one coach bears retained, right?
46:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So you would think that, you know, he would have this, this special thing to do to playing pretty damn good.
46:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a lot of these guys were here last year.
46:19
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a chance they brought back some of their guys.
46:23
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Cairo Santos, look, he never had a big boot.
46:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was eight of nine last year plus 50 yards, which is really good percentage.
46:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But those are like 52, 53, nothing really long.
46:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he hit a big one in preseason, which no one expected in the hit.
46:39
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like you said, these days kickers can just hit it.
46:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when it comes to the bears, and they're outside a 50 yard field goal, we're not sure, I'm sure the coaches aren't sure.
46:52
[SPEAKER_02]: When it came down to that one having to kick it out of the end zone, look, they moved up the kickoff spot.
46:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they wanted to get rid of kickoffs, and they brought in the new kicking rule, where they have all the dynamic kick returns, how it's different, so they wanted to have it back in the game.
47:05
[SPEAKER_02]: But they still kept the ball where it is.
47:09
[SPEAKER_02]: A professional kicker should be able to knock that out of the end and when he has to.
47:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Kyro just didn't have the leg, and Ben talked about it.
47:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was supposed to kick it out.
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, if that was your plan,
47:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if Richard Haikar said, hey, man, he can't do it.
47:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, at some point, you know, you would have thought this would have come up during the camp, during the prep of the game or some point in July, maybe, where they realized you can't do this.
47:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he did it all in practice.
47:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's something okay.
47:42
[SPEAKER_02]: He could do it when he has to.
47:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't do it last night, and it really hurt the bears.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's really a focus on trying to land it in the landings on this here because they've made it an additional penalty if you kick it in the end zone.
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think there's there's maybe like the focus was on like hey, get it in this landings zone and covering the kicks landing in the landings zone and then here he's focusing on that and then it's like, hey, we got it we need to kick it out the back of the end zone is like.
48:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right.
48:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, does best, but he doesn't have the lake for it.
48:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's just it really showed up at the worst time and cost the bears an opportunity, right?
48:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's 40 seconds that you didn't, you know, you didn't have.
48:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was it was rough.
48:24
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
48:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Just right, Bull, where do you want to go?
48:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go to Joe Tudy.
48:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I talked about the old line a couple times now.
48:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was fine.
48:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he, he, you know, nothing huge.
48:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing like, oh my god, what a great block.
48:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, nothing that really, really, really stood out, but nice professional football.
48:42
[SPEAKER_02]: There were some fans when I kind of saw him, doing a good job picking up stunts.
48:45
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when I watch the Bears O'Line, the one guy where I'm like, man, what happened on this player?
48:51
[SPEAKER_02]: There was, I would have him discussion over here today.
48:53
[SPEAKER_02]: There was something happen where the line did a split cover.
48:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, three guys went one way, two guys went one way and there was a A-gap that kind of was on touch and I'm like, well, I know it's not Tony, because I just know he's a pro, he's an all pro.
49:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not worried about that guy there.
49:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be fine.
49:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just want to call him out.
49:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the bears trained for him for a reason.
49:14
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to come in.
49:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not sure how much he helped Jackson Jones, but Jackson Jones wasn't awful this week.
49:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's been rough during camp and very free season.
49:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I figured once they got Tune next to him, they kind of maybe he would set out now in a little bit.
49:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, week one that left side wasn't that big of a problem.
49:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for me, I want to stick on the online as well.
49:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I grew with you on to any it's stabilizing force things important, but I think that don't all right, you know, I think you look really good and so I think if you got to me, I can maintain his level of play and again, this is the topic assignment.
49:54
[SPEAKER_00]: for the for the for the bears offensive lines, especially the interior guys, but you know, if Tune can be the stabilizing force and continue his high level play, and Donald Wright continue to send, you have two legitimate pieces there.
50:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You hope that the other guys, I mean, you know, Dalman, it's tough, it's tough to, to
50:11
[SPEAKER_00]: to analyze centers a lot, particularly early on, if things are kind of discombobulated, centers generally are there to lose gracefully.
50:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I've said it a million times, but like, you know, they're not going to be dominant in past pro, right?
50:24
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to get work back that they're just, they're just not as big as these other guys.
50:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, like, right, just looks like a guy that's like, we can set a lot of our protections based on knowing
50:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's going to be really impactful here moving forward because you can count on a guy like that.
50:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks to me like he's living up to his draft drafts lot.
50:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think he looks really good to me.
50:51
[SPEAKER_02]: He had, of course, the whole the fanom hold call.
50:54
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a priest in that panel that you, which, you know, you know, the bear's had more of them.
50:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I mean, it wasn't a perfect game from him, but I don't think he gave it any
51:03
[SPEAKER_02]: None of the pressures came from from Ronald Wright, right?
51:06
[SPEAKER_02]: It a really nice job in both of the run and the past game.
51:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I've talked about, I think he's on the Cusp of Froble.
51:12
[SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of right pushing for that spot this year and and look, then Johnson knows what a good right tackle looks like, you know, so I think Donald Wright's a guy that kind of can kind of push for that.
51:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it'll kind of be in the mix all season long.
51:25
[SPEAKER_02]: The Bears, the NFCS, I'm pretty good tackles.
51:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So he may not make it, but he's going to be right there on that custom.
51:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, if you have one guy on the line, you know, okay, we know right tackles lock.
51:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of helps you as a protection scheme to kind of know what you have to do.
51:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So Ben will work around that.
51:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And if he has to help Braxton, he knows that that's fine because the guy on the right side has got to lock now.
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And you saw that a lot.
51:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a lot of true pasts that we just on his own is on an island.
51:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other four guys were working the other way, right?
51:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is what it is.
51:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have those throughout the year because they're going to count on him like that.
52:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So the degree of difficulty for him is going to probably be higher than Braxton Jones because Braxton's probably going to get some help.
52:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Particularly, it's he's running himself back in a form with the injury.
52:09
[SPEAKER_00]: real quick, I want to do the blame pie.
52:11
[SPEAKER_00]: We had this last year where I would put this out and kind of try to give you up the blame for a loss, particularly when it was a collapse.
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, well, you know, why not try it out here for this collapse?
52:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And so basically the question is, who do you think is most responsible?
52:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I put it up on Twitter this morning rant, rant the poll for like, I don't know, 12 hours or something like that.
52:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was up incredibly early this morning, because I had to take my lecture the airport, so
52:38
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, for 30 or five o'clock in the morning.
52:41
[SPEAKER_00]: The final results were 54% said Caleb was most of the blame, 31% said the referees, 6% said Cairo Santos and 9% putting on coaching slash other.
52:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I just put like a if you don't agree with these three top choices, you know, hit hit that up for me.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I was some of the crowds.
53:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of feels right.
53:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think you can deny the bad calls by the referees.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I hate it.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate talking about how that's a bad call.
53:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it just sounds so whiny.
53:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just, it's not very useful.
53:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But these were
53:22
[SPEAKER_00]: and they were in big moments, right?
53:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just like, oh, it's first quarter and they called this thing and then, you know, I didn't end up in anything.
53:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They all resulted in points either on the board from Minnesota or off the board for Chicago.
53:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They were huge swings.
53:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I've talked about the fan some holding call a lot.
53:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good rep and it got punished.
53:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:46
[SPEAKER_00]: and I just I can hack it over that and so I think that it definitely deserves at least 30% of the blame I probably put a little higher and I think on the rewatch you know I still think Caleb deserves the the most those inaccurate passes those non-competitive passes I think are are are tough they're tough to swallow there's a couple of possessions that are
54:07
[SPEAKER_00]: essentially given away because he either lost focus for a minute or just, you know, whatever it was, got jittery feet and four has got the best of them.
54:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if Caleb Williams is going to be the guy that we think he can be and going to take this team, that can happen, right?
54:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just simply put that can happen.
54:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if that's happening in November December,
54:30
[SPEAKER_00]: like we're in trouble, right?
54:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, September football is what it is.
54:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You learn a lot about your team, you learn a lot about your players, what you can't do, you're still figuring stuff out, you're still installing, you're still learning all that kind of stuff.
54:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But some of that stuff is okay, noted, let's move on.
54:47
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's still there in a couple of months, we're really going to start worrying about this.
54:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, you talk about the coaching too and I, and he, no, the, he said, Ben Johnson talks about today's press conference.
54:59
[SPEAKER_02]: They asked him about him throwing that challenge flag and he said that he didn't trust the process.
55:03
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he should have listened to his guys up top.
55:05
[SPEAKER_02]: They were in the booth telling him what to do and he kind of let the guys around him kind of, you know, lead him on and that's why he kind of threw the flag and he said that he, he'll, he'll learn from that, you know, this is his first game.
55:16
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a play.
55:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was an early out of the game where he kind of went
55:23
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe just take the points there, you know, at your first game, you know, so there's some moments in the game where I thought that, you know, some of the decisions were what you'd expect from a first year ahead of coach, then you kind of circle back to the penalties, 12 penalties in the game, you know, yeah, that's that's the most penalties the bears have had since 2021 more than any game in the Fluse era.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can just imagine what what their bears are off today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The players weren't weren't there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, but I can imagine at the next practice they have, which would be tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's going to be a.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be rough, you know, I mean, they got to shake those pre-snap penalties off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look, the beat riders there, they told fans, there are some problems, pre-snap issues, you know, there's some issues here with this, and stop, and you're at eight, or, you know, that's what happens a lot on social media.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, here they are, 12 penalties, yeah, and some of those, at least three of them were total BS,
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[SPEAKER_02]: but there are four pre-snap penalties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The pre-snap stuff is unacceptable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unacceptable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, Ben, you know he's blue his top when we saw that when he got back in the locker, we knew that happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In general, as an offensive lineman, if you
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[SPEAKER_00]: forget the snap count, it's because you are in your head about what you have to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are like, you're like, okay, they're in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm running this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means I gotta do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That stuff generally gets paved out over time, or like you lose focus in that's the mental toughness part where you gotta kind of lock in, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's week one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna assume it's the like, I'm overwhelmed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think about what my assignment is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: rather than I'm not lactated like I'm not mentally tough, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of, those are conversations for later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most offensive linemen are pretty mentally tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just, I'm just putting that out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times it's just a confusion on assignment and you just kind of get, you kind of get lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or your own quarterback draws you off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that we're the cadence like surprises, even the offensive linemen, you know, you've seen that or the defense plays some good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm just listing things that can happen, but I think these were early, you know, growing pains of like, what am I doing here and trying to get that figured out that stuff has to get ironed out those are unacceptable that has to get removed, you know, you don't want to be talking about offensive linemen for for those reasons, right, like you don't want to have those, the penalty reasons why you're talking about these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we have basically filled up our hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to get out of here because we're doing the double header tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys are interested in sticking around on the YouTube, you know, the Mac and Reach Show is going to follow us up here just in a couple minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'd love to see what those guys take is for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will be back at our normal slot next week, Monday at six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you all then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us and sorry, it wasn't better result, but we're going to try for, you know, get this train back on the tracks here in Detroit, we'll see you next week.