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Interview with Chris Masters/Adonis - FROM THE VAULT! · The Major Wrestling Figure Podcast

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome to the Major Wrestling for your podcast.
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Speaker 1: We're laughing because we did like two minutes without being recorded,
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Speaker 1: but we're here with the masterpiece, Chris Adonnas, Chris Masters.
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Speaker 2: Let's go. You have a bunch of two sex What
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Speaker 2: was it again, Todd Christopher? That's right in the hotline days,
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Speaker 2: we were talking about the old wrestling like, well you know, okay,
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Speaker 2: so right around nineteen ninety seven and the whole wrestling
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Speaker 2: internet emergen. No, yeah, no, there were all these like
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Speaker 2: lines that were commondeered or stolen by like these group
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Speaker 2: of people. I think I'm trying to remember what it
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Speaker 2: was called, but like everybody had like hotlines and they
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Speaker 2: were reporting whatever I think the wrestling observer was reporting.
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Speaker 2: And I just remember because there was such a thirst
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Speaker 2: for information after the screw job, right, we were all like,
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Speaker 2: what the hell happened here? Like something happened if we
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Speaker 2: need to know more? And like I just remember, right
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Speaker 2: around that time, I somehow discovered those and I even
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Speaker 2: started one myself, and that's where I was in time
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Speaker 2: check were we basically had this conversation.
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Speaker 1: Is this is my broken road equipment. So the screens
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Speaker 1: all messed up. But anyway, I did like the the
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Speaker 1: e FED. Did you do any of those where you
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Speaker 1: would like it'd be like Email Wrestling Federation. You have
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Speaker 1: a name and you cut your promos, but write them out. No,
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Speaker 1: And I was Brett Matthews with the Z that was
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Speaker 1: my character. Oh my, I never did that same thing
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Speaker 1: as you because your middle name is mine's Brett. So
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Speaker 1: Brett Matthews my first and Brett Matthew we did the
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Speaker 1: same thing.
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Speaker 2: Wow, yes, I call you the piece. Wait a minute, Okay,
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Speaker 2: So since we're going through all this, you guys obviously
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Speaker 2: backyard wrestled at some point.
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Speaker 1: I was also Brett Matthews. I was the owner and
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Speaker 1: founder of World Tramp Pros. He is more proud of
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Speaker 1: his backyard career than his like, literally, to this moment.
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Speaker 2: Bro, I'm nostalgic about my backyard career. But you'll really pop.
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Speaker 2: You know who I was. I was freaking. I was
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Speaker 2: straight up no, you know, I was straight up triple
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Speaker 2: h Okay, I just played triple ah freaking And we
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Speaker 2: took it seriously. Man. We like we'd set up the
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Speaker 2: music and everything, and we kind of choreographed the matches.
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Speaker 2: It was wild but I never back out wrestled. Oh
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Speaker 2: give me a break. Never.
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Speaker 3: No, I like I was such a wrestling nerd. I
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Speaker 3: saw some interview with Brett Hart, like so early on
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Speaker 3: when he's like, that's not real wrestling. You know, you
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Speaker 3: go to good train and go to school, commit yourself
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Speaker 3: to sports.
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Speaker 2: That's what I did. Well, that's the funny thing. So
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Speaker 2: my mom saw a tape of what we were doing
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Speaker 2: and she was like, oh, hell no. And right away
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Speaker 2: she's like, I'm gonna pay for your wrestling school. She
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Speaker 2: didn't want me to. Well, she's all us like falling
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Speaker 2: off the ladders.
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Speaker 3: I think I feel like you had this weird perception.
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Speaker 3: People thought you were like this bodybuild their meathead and
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Speaker 3: like we weren't a wrestling guy. It couldn't be more opposite.
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Speaker 3: And I feel like people don't realize. Even to this day,
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Speaker 3: I feel like people that don't know you don't know.
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Speaker 2: It still drives me crazy. And this guy came from
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Speaker 2: body though, isn't.
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Speaker 1: Like seeing if I you at like Venice gold Ye
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Speaker 1: tried this business a kid.
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Speaker 2: But you guys know how that's because the Body guys
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Speaker 2: before me kind of laid that out right. There was anception,
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Speaker 2: preconceived conception, like the Ultimate Warrior, Lex Luger. All those
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Speaker 2: guys were just gifted with bodies, but they was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: they didn't care or love wrestling all that much. But
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Speaker 2: I think part of it is my fault because like
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Speaker 2: after I saw that, that's the way I was kind
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Speaker 2: of perceived, you know what I mean. Once I was
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Speaker 2: entering the business, obviously, I kind of like started to
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Speaker 2: kind of push some of that stuff. I said I
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Speaker 2: was a former mister Olympia because I didn't, you know,
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Speaker 2: I was like the wrestling fans or markets smart, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But then so it ended up ended up bothering me though,
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Speaker 2: because a lot of people really took that and bought
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Speaker 2: into him, and then they just automatically assumed like, oh,
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Speaker 2: he just came into wrestling. He's just got a great build,
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Speaker 2: and like it's the complete opposite. Like I love man,
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Speaker 2: It's the only thing I ever really loved and was
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Speaker 2: passionate about, and like it was the only reason I
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Speaker 2: ever even started working out, Like it just seemed like
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Speaker 2: the logical first step when you're like fourteen years old.
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Speaker 2: He's like, all right, I'll go.
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Speaker 1: To so all right, we did the backyard wrestle we
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Speaker 1: did the hotlines. You also collected or played.
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Speaker 2: With figures, right, Oh yeah, oh that's why we're here.
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Speaker 1: That's why we're here. That's what the guy you sparked his.
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Speaker 4: I remember one time you show me this picture of
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Speaker 4: you and Vince when you were a kid.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was from So that was a whole
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Speaker 2: other thing, just real quick on that. So my friend
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Speaker 2: this was in uh, let's see where. It was nineteen
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Speaker 2: ninety six, right, and there was the house show after
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Speaker 2: WrestleMania twelve, and I went down with my friend. This
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Speaker 2: was my first wrestling event. It was h the Attitude
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Speaker 2: Adjustment Tour Shaw Michael Jsus Vader and so one of
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Speaker 2: my buddies found this secret door that leads backstage, and like,
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Speaker 2: like I was just sitting at my seat watching the
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Speaker 2: show and he was gone for a while. He comes
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Speaker 2: back and he is super hyped. He's going crazy, like
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Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen something like that, and like he's telling me
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Speaker 2: he just fucking went down there. He was backstage. Yeah, yeah, YadA,
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, no way, So you know, of course
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Speaker 2: we're going to go back and yeah, he showed me
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Speaker 2: the door. We went down this service elevator. We got
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Speaker 2: back and like the first two guys I see in
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Speaker 2: the distance are Shawn Michael and Breadth the hit Man
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Speaker 2: Heart Holy, and I literally bro I almost go into
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Speaker 2: a full sprint. My friend has to run. My friend
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Speaker 2: freaking grabs me like that, don't relax, Thank god he did.
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Speaker 2: Like I don't even know what the hell I was thinking.
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Speaker 2: Like I always remember it too, because it was like
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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. I was me like I was
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Speaker 2: like I couldn't believe that they were in such close
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Speaker 2: proximity first of all, but then also like I was
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Speaker 2: trying to talk to Sean and he was just he
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Speaker 2: was just all over his girlfriend, Like you know, we
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Speaker 2: were bare leaving there, man, Like you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: But it didn't matter, you know. I'm like, oh, he's
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Speaker 2: the fucking man. Yeah, like, yep, that's fucking And the
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Speaker 2: picture Evince, oh you because we this now became a thing,
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Speaker 2: and get these kids the funk out of here? Oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: are you kidd even Dave Hebner, Dave Hebner, It became comical. Man.
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Speaker 2: Every time we would go back there, As soon as
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Speaker 2: Dave Hebner would spot us, we would run because he
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Speaker 2: would get he would kick us out, bro and it
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Speaker 2: became a regular thing. And so I basically met and
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Speaker 2: got pictured there because like we went backstage with that one,
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Speaker 2: and then every time they come out, we do the
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Speaker 2: same thing, and you know, we would get kicked out eventually,
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Speaker 2: but I'd be like a fresh start every time you
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Speaker 2: went to that. You would try to do this pretty much,
6:03
Speaker 2: but were smart enough. His time went on, and when
6:06
Speaker 2: you know, his time went on, we realized, oh, maybe
6:08
Speaker 2: don't go on wrestling t shirts. That way you can
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Speaker 2: get spotted to. So we started dressing more sophistically. But
6:14
Speaker 2: then also here was the thing, you know, how we
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Speaker 2: got the picture events, So to avoid Dave Hebner, we
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Speaker 2: started to avoid David. We started waiting in the loading
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Speaker 2: dock and that's where I got a lot of the pictures.
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Speaker 2: I got a picture of events there I got. I
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Speaker 2: eventually got a picture with Sean there, which was hilarious.
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Speaker 2: If I ever show you guys, it's right around January
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Speaker 2: ninety eight when he's going through all this stuff. Man
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Speaker 2: like he looks so angry.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh Dallas told me storted he's taking
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Speaker 3: out backstage when he was a kid, and he must
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Speaker 3: have just been so annoying and he was around Seing
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Speaker 3: and Sean.
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Speaker 1: Went, who's fucking kid is this?
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Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: So yeah that was fun, like surreal years later that
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Speaker 3: you're like wrestle Shawing on pay per view're like, oh yeah, man, like,
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Speaker 3: I mean you're still only like what twenty two and
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Speaker 3: then happened?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so young at that point. It was
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Speaker 2: really weird and it was overwhelming, man like because you guys,
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Speaker 2: you know, you guys came up with just a couple
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Speaker 2: of years after me, but like people don't understand, like
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Speaker 2: because I looked so mature, but I was really just
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Speaker 2: such a kid, right and sharing a locker room with
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Speaker 2: all these grown men that you grew up looking up to,
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Speaker 2: and it was very intimidating experience, but also like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was a dream from true, but it was just yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was tough.
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Speaker 3: And you're in our same generation, in our same boat.
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Speaker 3: And that's like a lot of this podcast. The thing
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Speaker 3: that's come out of is like we couldn't express like
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Speaker 3: what big fans we were when we started No Two
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Speaker 3: sharing a locker were undertaking Bob, how you're not.
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Speaker 1: Going to just keep be like, hey, tak her you
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Speaker 1: has bro.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just and if you did, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: you'd just be annihilated. So like for years and years
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Speaker 3: years we had to like kind of suppress it, which
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Speaker 3: now like we think through the show and even wrestling.
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Speaker 2: Now we don't anymore.
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Speaker 1: Nobody can.
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Speaker 2: I like it. I'm really open about it now because
7:52
Speaker 2: you know what, what caused that for me was when
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Speaker 2: I went to OVW because everybody kind of shamed markedness
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Speaker 2: all the time, and it made me feel like, all right,
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Speaker 2: I just I shouldn't really show it too much. I
8:01
Speaker 2: got to be professional. But I did make exceptions to that,
8:04
Speaker 2: like you know, to go back to when you talked
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Speaker 2: about Sean, like I didn't even once I found out.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if it was before that, but
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Speaker 2: I made sure to tell him that, like he was
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Speaker 2: my guy and all that stuff, because I was also
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Speaker 2: worried that like maybe somewhere in this process I might
8:15
Speaker 2: say something that rubs him the wrong way. Right at
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Speaker 2: least if I tell him like you were my guy,
8:19
Speaker 2: you some kind sympathy, well yeah, he just maybe you know,
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Speaker 2: he'll know that, you know, I don't mean anything by
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Speaker 2: it than that, you know, and how much I look
8:27
Speaker 2: up to of course, of course.
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Speaker 1: So okay, so we were talking about this the other night.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy, we got to have him one
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Speaker 1: of the pod. So you had figures back in the day,
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Speaker 1: you had the Hasbros, the Jacks, you had your figure
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Speaker 1: feds with your friends. Tell us about all this stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been watching you guys, you know, and I
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Speaker 2: just I haven't really gotten a chance to talk about
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Speaker 2: it much because it's not as much of a thing
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Speaker 2: for me now. I wish it was, because I don't
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Speaker 2: have any of them anymore through circumstance. But uh yeah,
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Speaker 2: wrestling figures were my life. Like my earliest memories of
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Speaker 2: pro wrestling, like we were talking about, was the Hasbro figures. Man,
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Speaker 2: and I would get those, you know, like for Christmas,
8:59
Speaker 2: and you know, my family celebrates Hanka, so we would
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Speaker 2: get a different wrestling figure every night. Awesome.
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Speaker 3: My buddy growing up, I would go to his house
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Speaker 3: for Honakha, the same thing.
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Speaker 2: I still have vivid memories man, of getting like, you know,
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Speaker 2: a Marty Janetti figure one night of Shawn Michaels and
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Speaker 2: I still and I still remember, like my prize figures
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Speaker 2: were like you know, first it was the green Ultimate Warrior,
9:19
Speaker 2: you know with the pink and white, and then I
9:21
Speaker 2: ended up getting the white one that the pressing like.
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Speaker 2: So those has Bros were definitely like the early I
9:28
Speaker 2: just like with you guys to your first figures or
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Speaker 2: did you to me?
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Speaker 3: I was tingle like my wrestling Phantom and Hazards like
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Speaker 3: hand in hand, like I remember my first memories of
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Speaker 3: watching wrestling or involve the.
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Speaker 4: Hazards like Series one, and it's like it was like the.
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Speaker 2: Gateway and the commercial right, but the commercials, I don't think.
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Speaker 4: I can't stand how it is how big those were, like.
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Speaker 2: The finishes with the Warrior riding.
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Speaker 4: But there's like through the years, there's like there's like
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Speaker 4: seven of them.
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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of them if you on YouTube, it
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Speaker 1: was absolutely perfect, like like Jesse the Body Macho.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think of which ones I I
10:03
Speaker 2: can remember everyone I had out of like that first series.
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Speaker 2: I know that were the Rockers in the first series or.
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Speaker 1: The Rockers are one of the early ones? Yeah, tag
10:10
Speaker 1: team set?
10:11
Speaker 2: What about the first whole? Coin was the.
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Speaker 3: One that begs hard to stand?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but and he has the U s A on
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, see this is fun man. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: then did you have the ring? Oh yeah, I was
10:25
Speaker 2: telling Matt, like, dude, me and my buddy, we would
10:28
Speaker 2: we would run wrestling shows too, man, we'd set the
10:30
Speaker 2: ring up. We paara, guys, we get the music. And
10:33
Speaker 2: I think we had some kind of system though, where
10:35
Speaker 2: there'd either be rocks is a paper and then somebody
10:37
Speaker 2: whoever switching up, whoever wins, would get the offense or
10:40
Speaker 2: maybe that shows the winner. I can't remember, but uh yeah,
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Speaker 2: we took it serious, man, like we really figures were
10:45
Speaker 2: such a huge thing. And then you know, of course,
10:47
Speaker 2: sure we'll talk about that. I remember. So the first
10:50
Speaker 2: member were the Hasbros. But then the w c W
10:52
Speaker 2: ones off the Galube.
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Speaker 1: We were talking about the globs because like they was
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Speaker 1: in the World.
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Speaker 3: School, like with Flair comes to WF you have one
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Speaker 3: ready to go, right, Oh did you have those?
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Speaker 2: Of course?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course that's how I discovered WW like
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Speaker 3: toys wrestling the fuck like who are these guys?
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Speaker 2: And then just you know, so funny to say that
11:09
Speaker 2: whenever I explained, I tell people that same thing, like
11:12
Speaker 2: I didn't know there was a WCW. And then I'm
11:14
Speaker 2: just flipping through TV one day and I see Rick Rude, okay,
11:18
Speaker 2: and you know, I just remember like, because at that time,
11:21
Speaker 2: you didn't know where where did these guys going? Guys
11:23
Speaker 2: just disappear? Right, Yeah, You're like, where do these guys go?
11:25
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I mean it, And
11:27
Speaker 2: then I remember seeing Sting and then being like, Wow,
11:30
Speaker 2: who's this guy? And like he caught on real quick,
11:32
Speaker 2: because you know, he makes you think of the Warrior initially,
11:34
Speaker 2: but then you see that he's you know, very different,
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Speaker 2: different type of performers.
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Speaker 4: So I'm really mind blown. Years later, they were tag partners.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, find out in the eighties teaming what and
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Speaker 1: then you had the Jacks, the bone Crunchers you had
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Speaker 1: you were into those.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like so okay, like, so let's see how this went,
11:51
Speaker 2: like because I had a little bit of a lapse,
11:53
Speaker 2: like you know a lot of people. I don't know
11:55
Speaker 2: if you guys did, but my wrestling lapse kind of
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Speaker 2: was the end of ninety two to the end of
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Speaker 2: ninety five, So I kind of missed ninety three and
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Speaker 2: ninety four, and I had to go back and obviously
12:05
Speaker 2: do so when I came back in ninety five. I
12:07
Speaker 2: don't know what I missed figure wise, I probably missed a.
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Speaker 4: Comeback, like the rare assros, like what we call the
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Speaker 4: green cars, like when.
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Speaker 3: You never see wwenty three kids, Yes, lud, there thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars figures today, like.
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Speaker 2: But when I came back, so I came back to
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Speaker 2: watching in ninety five, like the whole Shawn Michael's concussion
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Speaker 2: angle got me right because when I stopped watching, my
12:28
Speaker 2: two guys were SHAWNA Turnhel and I loved the whole act.
12:31
Speaker 2: I thought he was amazing, and Brett, like Brett was
12:34
Speaker 2: just you know, you had the match with mister perfect
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Speaker 2: and all that, and I just the music, the tights,
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Speaker 2: the whole. But so inh night, Yeah, I came back
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Speaker 2: in ninety five and then yeah, shortly thereafter was that
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Speaker 2: first check set and like, yeah, I was right back
12:46
Speaker 2: on board. It is funny and as much older now too.
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, but still more fun to play with, even
12:51
Speaker 3: though yeah, you're more sophisticated wrestling fancy you can be
12:54
Speaker 3: like book your angles and set up your shows and
12:57
Speaker 3: what the hell you want to do?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember it was like so the Sean
13:01
Speaker 2: wearing the blue trunks slam ones you had an undertaker,
13:04
Speaker 2: a Bret Hart, a Razor Ramone.
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Speaker 1: Diesel and gold dust. He has that whole set autograph. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was telling him the other day. Everyone signed nice
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Speaker 1: yellow pink Jelus.
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Speaker 2: That I kind of always but Jack's, you know, it
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Speaker 2: was awesome. So that was a really great time because
13:19
Speaker 2: first of all those ones, I think we all really
13:21
Speaker 2: love those, but then they just kind of got better
13:23
Speaker 2: and better. Details even got better, and then they started
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Speaker 2: making like the kind of stuff we'd like to, like
13:29
Speaker 2: the you know, like an iron Man match pack or
13:31
Speaker 2: what you know.
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Speaker 1: The atronic stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we all benefit from that outitude where things
13:35
Speaker 3: got just so popular and they were prosing so much
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Speaker 3: stuff or whatever. I've heard the story before that like
13:40
Speaker 3: they were having like a meeting with whatever, the merchandise people,
13:43
Speaker 3: and they were like, well, we sold out, telling Vincevince.
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Speaker 4: Was what we should never sell. There should just be
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Speaker 4: more and more and more and more.
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Speaker 2: To sell it to him.
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Speaker 3: And I'm like, in that that definitely makes sense, Like
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Speaker 3: that had to be the mentality because there was just
13:54
Speaker 3: so much merchant, and there was.
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Speaker 1: The beanie babies they like everything.
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Speaker 2: Think of but like other thing, and we haven't even
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys probably talked and we talked about
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Speaker 2: this all the other day, but like it's kind of
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Speaker 2: in the same genre. But the wrestling buddies obviously, for
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Speaker 2: sure huge all got I didn't, so I only had
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Speaker 2: the Ultimate Warrior. I know, you think you said you
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Speaker 2: had more than I had.
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Speaker 1: Everybody, but like every kid, I think our age has
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Speaker 1: either Hogan or Warrior.
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Speaker 3: I I had the original four like Macho Hogan, Warrior,
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Speaker 3: Dbias and my friend I knew, like my buddy had
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Speaker 3: Led and Debs and I mean buss Man and Jacob,
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Speaker 3: so I knew they existed, but I never had a skin.
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Speaker 2: Now I have them all mint save. I'm just kind
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Speaker 2: of interested because I remember I only had the Warrior,
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Speaker 2: and I remember all the different things I used to.
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Speaker 1: Do the Warriors hours hours.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but so like, how did you choose to spend
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Speaker 2: your time between your wrestling buddies, Like was there one
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Speaker 2: that got the most attention or was there ever a
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Speaker 2: match between the wrestling buddies?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I.
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Speaker 3: Would have one be my tag partner and I go
14:48
Speaker 3: back and forth like I have, like mom a ycho path,
14:53
Speaker 3: like literally like a psychle I can remember being in
14:55
Speaker 3: my basement like by myself for hours, like.
14:57
Speaker 2: Oh so wait, then you guys had a lot. Here's
14:59
Speaker 2: another part that we might have not even got to.
15:01
Speaker 2: But if you guys were running wrestling shows, then that
15:02
Speaker 2: means you guys, somebody was doing commentary commentary.
15:07
Speaker 3: He has this thing, what time he wore white gloves,
15:10
Speaker 3: thicking wouldn't count, like I we I wore.
15:12
Speaker 1: It was black gloves and a black Logs leap shirt
15:14
Speaker 1: because I filmed myself and I thought that if I
15:17
Speaker 1: watched it back, I wouldn't see my arms. That's amazing,
15:20
Speaker 1: but doesn't make any sense.
15:22
Speaker 2: It doesn't when you really think about it. But at
15:25
Speaker 2: first thought, oh yeah, maybe because it's a backdrop. Yeah
15:28
Speaker 2: it was, so how far does your friendship go back
15:31
Speaker 2: as far as this? We met at wrestling school at eighteen.
15:34
Speaker 3: Oh so, you guys are very stand office with each
15:36
Speaker 3: other because we were like the same age, same height,
15:38
Speaker 3: and then somehow we forgot we each collected reservates, which
15:42
Speaker 3: was even then was.
15:43
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, and the two three like yeah, you
15:46
Speaker 1: could not.
15:47
Speaker 4: I don't nobody about this so weird was like that,
15:50
Speaker 4: I know I.
15:51
Speaker 2: Should have just embraced it because we would have seen
15:53
Speaker 2: who was real about it to you, because like you know,
15:56
Speaker 2: usually it's the guys that are that obsessed with stick around.
15:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I wasn't coege like sneaking away toys the
16:01
Speaker 3: wrestl and come back to my norm with the bags
16:02
Speaker 3: like like like a burglar, like trying to get everybody
16:06
Speaker 3: had a wrestler, Like I don't know about you guys,
16:08
Speaker 3: but you had a probably had one wrestling buddy that
16:10
Speaker 3: you hung out with more than all right, Yeah, I
16:12
Speaker 3: had that. Like I still talk to my my friend Man,
16:15
Speaker 3: I'll go to and he still watches wrestling, and I'll
16:17
Speaker 3: go to him because you know, sometimes we've been in
16:19
Speaker 3: the business so long, I'll just and we had comparable
16:21
Speaker 3: opinions too back in the day or compatible.
16:23
Speaker 2: So I'll just bet, yo, what do you think of this? Yeah?
16:26
Speaker 2: I mean do you get some real feedback?
16:28
Speaker 1: Right?
16:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, And not even just as pertains to me, but
16:30
Speaker 2: sometimes as it pertains to me, I'm like, what's your
16:32
Speaker 2: thoughts on this? And so I like that kind of
16:35
Speaker 2: feedback because it's like unjaded, it's just raw wrestling fan.
16:38
Speaker 2: He doesn't he doesn't know us personally or nothing.
16:41
Speaker 1: So when you know we all got into ww around
16:43
Speaker 1: the same time you a little earlier. But all those
16:45
Speaker 1: guys like JBL, Bob Holly undertake they couldn't relate because
16:49
Speaker 1: they didn't grow up with wrestling on Saturday mornings. They
16:52
Speaker 1: didn't grow up with the ice cream bars, they didn't
16:54
Speaker 1: grow up with the bed sheets and the wrestling buddies.
16:56
Speaker 1: So now I think, you know, it's way more accepted
16:59
Speaker 1: because as everyone in our generation did.
17:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so if you're coming.
17:03
Speaker 1: To the business now, you can go up to people
17:05
Speaker 1: and ask for a photo like you couldn't back in
17:07
Speaker 1: the day, ask like Sean for like a selfie, like
17:10
Speaker 1: you that way, you know.
17:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good that's a good point. Yeah. But
17:14
Speaker 2: although it has gone a little out of control. I've
17:17
Speaker 2: been on some shows where there's more boys in the
17:20
Speaker 2: back asking for pictures than out in the Yeah.
17:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've signed plenty of encyclopedias in the back.
17:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I but I to go to what you're saying.
17:29
Speaker 2: I do, like, you know, because it was what you're
17:31
Speaker 2: saying is one hundred percent true. Like it's just it
17:33
Speaker 2: was taboo to talk about. You were just kind of
17:36
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, was found upon But like you know. Now,
17:39
Speaker 2: I do think we all celebrated it like you guys
17:41
Speaker 2: have been for a while. But within the last few
17:43
Speaker 2: years I was just like, you know what, especially over
17:45
Speaker 2: the pandemic, I got to really watch some of the
17:47
Speaker 2: wrestling I loved growing up again and kind of rekindled
17:51
Speaker 2: my love for it.
17:51
Speaker 3: I always try to do that, sure, Like my first
17:54
Speaker 3: thing of wrestling is wrestling six you know, Worhogan, and
17:56
Speaker 3: I have this giant poster of it in my room
17:58
Speaker 3: just to keep a little reminder of, like this, the
18:01
Speaker 3: innocence that brought me to this all in the first place,
18:03
Speaker 3: you know, like those feelings and like just to never
18:06
Speaker 3: not take it too seriously, because we should take it seriously,
18:08
Speaker 3: but you don't even not to take the bullshit too seriously.
18:11
Speaker 2: I lost that for a while, I think, and it
18:13
Speaker 2: was really, you know, one thing the pandemic did do
18:15
Speaker 2: for me was able to really kind of get me
18:17
Speaker 2: in touch with the eight year old version of me again,
18:19
Speaker 2: and you know, just out of curiosity. I know, I
18:21
Speaker 2: don't want to get off top of it. If there
18:22
Speaker 2: was a favorite year professionally wrestling for you guys, fan wise,
18:26
Speaker 2: one year, what would nine? Okay? So we're all in
18:29
Speaker 2: the same pace.
18:30
Speaker 1: And also for like my's across the I think.
18:34
Speaker 2: For all all that business great.
18:35
Speaker 1: And also it's like, you know, for my figure playing,
18:39
Speaker 1: it was like my most sophisticated, you know, because I
18:41
Speaker 1: finally got a computer so I could keep the title
18:43
Speaker 1: histories and make the matches, you know, and I was
18:46
Speaker 1: able to like, you know, now you can actually download
18:50
Speaker 1: the music.
18:51
Speaker 2: You know, who is your chosen one?
18:52
Speaker 1: Oh I had like I was a big gold dust guy,
18:54
Speaker 1: but in guild us to the top. But then I
18:56
Speaker 1: would do like when l od would come out to
18:58
Speaker 1: the entrance, I go to my room and do like
18:59
Speaker 1: the Strobe light effect. I would really go all out
19:02
Speaker 1: undertaker lights off.
19:05
Speaker 2: That's one that's one cool thing, like you know, And
19:07
Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about this, but me and
19:09
Speaker 2: you start talking the other day and we realized, like
19:11
Speaker 2: I think I've known for a while, like our level
19:13
Speaker 2: of fandom was pretty equal. Man, were like, you know,
19:16
Speaker 2: you guys did a lot of the same stuff. We
19:18
Speaker 2: had the pictures all over the walls, pictures on the ceiling.
19:21
Speaker 3: I mean, that's extreame. It got right, Like my whole
19:23
Speaker 3: room was like cover Shawn Michael's do you think, yeah,
19:26
Speaker 3: oh yeh, yeah, you would think if you didn't know.
19:29
Speaker 2: I had that poster of him where he's doing this
19:31
Speaker 2: and he's got the red Tides. Yeah, sexy face poster
19:35
Speaker 2: in there. Man, Like, yeah, you were really but man,
19:38
Speaker 2: it's just it's fun. Man, it's fun that we can
19:40
Speaker 2: look back on that and now this is what.
19:42
Speaker 1: We I remember, like fifth or sixth grade, my parents
19:44
Speaker 1: were like redoing, like give me my own bedroom with
19:46
Speaker 1: my brothers, and they would let me, you know, design them.
19:49
Speaker 1: I not design it, but I wanted that that heart
19:51
Speaker 1: shaped bed from the Heartbreak coat. You can't just go
19:56
Speaker 1: buy the heart shape bed.
19:57
Speaker 4: Probably could, but way too expensive.
20:00
Speaker 1: Like that's all I wanted was that hard shape hotel.
20:03
Speaker 2: I love that. Man, that is so funny.
20:05
Speaker 4: So how old are you when you you make it
20:07
Speaker 4: to the main roster?
20:09
Speaker 2: Okay? So I got signed right around the end of eighteen,
20:12
Speaker 2: and I was on the I was signed around eighteen
20:14
Speaker 2: or nineteen and then all around crazy yeah, like and
20:17
Speaker 2: I look back on that now, like, you know, so
20:19
Speaker 2: people were so critical of me at that time, my
20:21
Speaker 2: entering work, and like now as an adult, I look
20:23
Speaker 2: back on that like they're freaking crazy. Like you got
20:26
Speaker 2: to think about this. I was like two years into
20:28
Speaker 2: my development and main eventing on RAW. So when I
20:32
Speaker 2: look back at it and I'm like, wow, I actually
20:34
Speaker 2: did pretty dang good because like, honestly, if you put
20:38
Speaker 2: my experience now with my ability now in that body,
20:41
Speaker 2: like I would be a couple of time world champion, right.
20:44
Speaker 3: But people say like wrestlers don't peak it to like
20:46
Speaker 3: early forties and at this rate, right, Like yeah, true,
20:49
Speaker 3: like mental like where it all comes together and all
20:52
Speaker 3: you know, all the tools exactly.
20:54
Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying. You get to this point
20:56
Speaker 2: and I felt like I'm here where you're you have
20:57
Speaker 2: so much wealth of information and been through experience. Yeah,
21:01
Speaker 2: you're the best thing you do is get your physical
21:04
Speaker 2: ability and your mental to line up and you know,
21:06
Speaker 2: hopefully not hit father time. You know.
21:08
Speaker 3: So is merchandise like a thing you're thinking about this
21:10
Speaker 3: time where you just so fucking go go go, Like
21:13
Speaker 3: you're thinking like, oh shit, I'm going to start getting
21:14
Speaker 3: shirts and figures and video games and as far as
21:17
Speaker 3: what when you got called up or just this is
21:19
Speaker 3: like the idea of like there's gonna be Chris Masters.
21:21
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you know all the stuff
21:24
Speaker 2: you guys probably did. It's like, well, I even before
21:26
Speaker 2: I got called to the roster, I I would be
21:28
Speaker 2: doing cardio and I'd just be imagining, like, what's my
21:30
Speaker 2: song going to be? What is the whole Like I
21:34
Speaker 2: didn't like think about it. I hadn't no idea that
21:36
Speaker 2: it's gonna be that whole thing with the you know,
21:38
Speaker 2: the cape and the pose and all that. So, I mean,
21:40
Speaker 2: if I would have knew that it was gonna be that,
21:42
Speaker 2: I would have probably like, oh my god, Like but yeah,
21:45
Speaker 2: the you know, the biggest novelty for me, I guess
21:47
Speaker 2: the action figure in the video game, you know what
21:49
Speaker 2: I mean? Like the action figure obviously is huge, Like
21:52
Speaker 2: it's so like people people in regular society, civilians look
21:56
Speaker 2: at them. They're like they can't believe that you have
21:58
Speaker 2: a wrestling figure, like wow, and it is. It's pretty cool.
22:01
Speaker 2: And then like video games. We all grew up on
22:03
Speaker 2: video games, absolutely, but I was never a big wrestling
22:06
Speaker 2: video game guy, to be honest. And like all the
22:07
Speaker 2: ones I was on, I would I would get them.
22:10
Speaker 2: I would check out, you know how, I look on
22:12
Speaker 2: it and play it a little bit, and then.
22:13
Speaker 1: I kind of be Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a
22:15
Speaker 1: video game guy, but I still think it's cool to
22:17
Speaker 1: be in it.
22:17
Speaker 2: Oh.
22:17
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you remember getting that first figure, seeing it for
22:20
Speaker 3: the first time.
22:22
Speaker 2: Shoot, I don't remember the first time. I mean I
22:24
Speaker 2: obviously remember the first figure, but.
22:25
Speaker 4: I that's like weird. It's all like new guys.
22:28
Speaker 1: It's like you like nova.
22:31
Speaker 2: Yes, signed Dean. I remember they did a pretty darn
22:33
Speaker 2: good job on the face because like I have this
22:35
Speaker 2: certain grin. Yeah, look, yeah, it looks great. They actually
22:38
Speaker 2: got the like the smirk in there. I was like, wow,
22:39
Speaker 2: that's pretty good.
22:40
Speaker 1: And you get a lot from Jacks. There's so many
22:42
Speaker 1: of them.
22:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, eased them out. Oh that's a good like you know,
22:46
Speaker 2: And I talked to you a little bit about this,
22:47
Speaker 2: but this is a wrestling figure podcast, like I'm always
22:50
Speaker 2: curious to hear about, you know. I was a Jacks fan,
22:53
Speaker 2: and from what I've seen from mattel like, it's cool,
22:55
Speaker 2: but it just seems like it's a little less detailed
22:58
Speaker 2: and a little more widely distributed, you know what I mean?
23:01
Speaker 3: And yeahs like yeah, they're like dumbed down and meant
23:07
Speaker 3: for kids.
23:07
Speaker 2: I just feel like my excitement even let's just say
23:10
Speaker 2: I was because I don't collect figures anymore. I mean,
23:12
Speaker 2: but where you can still bond on this because I
23:14
Speaker 2: get it, I did do it. Like you know, I
23:15
Speaker 2: told you I'm more of a sneakerhead now. I love
23:17
Speaker 2: these sneakers, but I just when I see figures now,
23:21
Speaker 2: like I went to Walmart the other day, I don't know,
23:23
Speaker 2: I just I don't have I would still think I
23:25
Speaker 2: would have some level of excitement for me, but I
23:27
Speaker 2: see them in like in a Walmart, and it's just
23:29
Speaker 2: maybe it's just because it's all new people and I attachment.
23:32
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, But like I also feel like I don't
23:35
Speaker 2: look at the figures. I used to look at some
23:36
Speaker 2: of the jacks and just be like wow, like look
23:38
Speaker 2: at the job they did with these reminded me of Spawn, right,
23:40
Speaker 2: you know, like how cool were those sports? Didn't they share?
23:43
Speaker 4: Some of the Jack's packaging was so like I can
23:46
Speaker 4: the place.
23:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, maybe that's what it was to the
23:49
Speaker 3: hotels and the very clean cut packaging, And so I
23:53
Speaker 3: think it's more like.
23:54
Speaker 2: But was there any wrestling figures that that came close
23:57
Speaker 2: to what Spawn was doing? That? Because I'm trying to
23:59
Speaker 2: look back I felt like, when did we.
24:01
Speaker 3: Just see that he was supposed to get a McFarlane.
24:04
Speaker 4: No, they unleashed or whatever the statue.
24:06
Speaker 1: Oh he told me about that.
24:08
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, I have said that. Yeah, we talked.
24:10
Speaker 2: We talked about but we might as well bring Yeah,
24:12
Speaker 2: I have the one prototype.
24:13
Speaker 3: So that's to me, that's like a McFarland because that
24:16
Speaker 3: that's more like statue.
24:18
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in the detail, it's really cool. It's definitely
24:20
Speaker 2: you have the pro they gave you the program. I
24:22
Speaker 2: have it in a little case my mom. I remember
24:24
Speaker 2: I took it out one time to take a picture
24:26
Speaker 2: of it, because I just leave it with my mom.
24:28
Speaker 2: She likes to hold onto a second. She like panics. Man,
24:30
Speaker 2: She's like, where is that? You know?
24:33
Speaker 1: Yeah?
24:33
Speaker 2: She thought I sold it.
24:34
Speaker 4: I'm like, don't at little bit?
24:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably did you have all these stuff? Like do
24:39
Speaker 2: you have like one of everything? Yeah? I think, you know,
24:41
Speaker 2: I was looking around it the other day. I think
24:43
Speaker 2: there's at least one of everything a couple. Yeah, but
24:46
Speaker 2: like so much stuff was lost. Man. And I know
24:48
Speaker 2: here's another thing. I know we can all bond and
24:50
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys had a ton of VHS ticks
24:52
Speaker 2: yeah for sure. Like when if you're in our bracket,
24:55
Speaker 2: you collected him, you recorded programs, you paused on commercials. Yeah, yeah,
25:00
Speaker 2: I had like a collection of four to five hundred tapes.
25:04
Speaker 2: They ended up getting burnt up though. Like there was
25:06
Speaker 2: that story some people have heard it where my mom's
25:08
Speaker 2: house got set on fire by some crazy dude and man,
25:11
Speaker 2: all including the Shawn Michael's poster by the way, which
25:13
Speaker 2: is still up there. You know your mom keeps your
25:15
Speaker 2: stuff up. Oh yeah, all that stuff was still up
25:18
Speaker 2: in there. Man, it was burnt.
25:20
Speaker 1: Won't we rip a tree out of the ground though.
25:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way they reported it. There was a
25:27
Speaker 2: tree blocking my mom's window, and like I knew where
25:29
Speaker 2: she was, so I knew that that tree needed to go.
25:32
Speaker 2: So what I actually did is I I burrowgged the
25:35
Speaker 2: tree and kind of tackled it to the floors. Oh,
25:39
Speaker 2: and that freed up the window so they could break
25:40
Speaker 2: the window and I was able to scoop her out
25:43
Speaker 2: of there and bring her to safety.
25:44
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.
25:46
Speaker 2: It was crazy. But yeah, so much was lost in
25:48
Speaker 2: that man, like all the all the tapes.
25:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just barrowed the tree and tackle
25:52
Speaker 1: the dad if.
25:54
Speaker 2: It makes me better.
25:54
Speaker 4: The tapes A probably dead anyway, with like oh yeah.
25:57
Speaker 3: Now with like like I have a box of parents
25:59
Speaker 3: and I'm like dreading getting I know that's not they're
26:00
Speaker 3: an attic and not temperature controls and they're fried.
26:03
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're fried. I know I'm worried about some
26:05
Speaker 2: shoes I have in storage like that. Man, but that's
26:07
Speaker 2: possible too. Yeah yeah, but shoot, man, I don't know
26:10
Speaker 2: about like so here's another thing. I just remember. I
26:13
Speaker 2: would always going the tape stores would always be kind
26:15
Speaker 2: of fun though, because you would always be like, what
26:17
Speaker 2: am I going to find? Every once in a while
26:18
Speaker 2: you find like Summer Slam nineteen ninety.
26:21
Speaker 1: Oh yes, and like it's so weird because back in
26:23
Speaker 1: the day, whenever you get read over two three days,
26:25
Speaker 1: I would watch Summer Slam ninety like five times, you know,
26:28
Speaker 1: just sit there and watch it like over and over
26:30
Speaker 1: and over. It's like, what are you doing?
26:32
Speaker 4: That's when I've watched.
26:33
Speaker 1: I watched over and over and over.
26:34
Speaker 2: There were all these as you can tell, like you know,
26:37
Speaker 2: there's all these things that we all share that.
26:39
Speaker 3: Like, you know, it's pretty it's just part of the
26:40
Speaker 3: fandom of that time, right, Yeah, it really is, man,
26:43
Speaker 3: and it's.
26:44
Speaker 2: Really cool to kind of reflect on it. Man. I
26:45
Speaker 2: just think we were what's cool for us is, yeah,
26:48
Speaker 2: we are in the business now, but we got to
26:50
Speaker 2: be fans probably in the coolest time, you know, between
26:53
Speaker 2: the Golden Era and then the Attitude era.
26:54
Speaker 3: And I guess the other big thing for me is
26:56
Speaker 3: that the little bit of like believing you don't know
26:59
Speaker 3: what real, it's fake, whereas now everything's so transparent about
27:02
Speaker 3: wrestling being a script and television show. I think back
27:05
Speaker 3: then they were still like that, like what's going on here?
27:07
Speaker 3: You know, there was still a little bit of that
27:08
Speaker 3: right in there.
27:09
Speaker 2: You know. Well in w w's felt so kind of
27:12
Speaker 2: non gritty over the last few years too. Yeah, that's
27:15
Speaker 2: that's kind of been missing for sure. Yeah.
27:18
Speaker 4: Did you grab any of your Mattel's and then you
27:19
Speaker 4: had too in your second run?
27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I have them. I think I have
27:23
Speaker 2: something with a beard I feel. Yeah, Yeah, it's got
27:26
Speaker 2: that little uh yeah, because it was that Survivor series
27:28
Speaker 2: one we did a yeah, I think it was a
27:30
Speaker 2: Survivor Series one.
27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got some some questions from our fans,
27:33
Speaker 1: am I taking some questions. Yeah, yeah, let's do let's
27:36
Speaker 1: see here. That's I'm sure there's gonna be some weird ones,
27:38
Speaker 1: but uh, we'll just I haven't read these yet, so
27:41
Speaker 1: we know we kind of know the answer to this.
27:43
Speaker 1: But Victor Levy says, what's his collection? Like, do you
27:46
Speaker 1: collect you said your shoes?
27:47
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, the sneaker it's out of a base as
27:54
Speaker 3: it's hard to get space figures.
27:55
Speaker 4: I'm thinking a shoe box.
27:57
Speaker 2: It's in storage, bro, it's in Storge. I got it.
27:59
Speaker 2: I got no joke. I have about ninety pairs of
28:02
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant shoes of the various Kobe's, which you know
28:06
Speaker 2: ended up turning into huge value because yeah, obviously he's
28:09
Speaker 2: passed away. Yeah, Vanesla, But I've never intended I'm really
28:12
Speaker 2: I just really love collecting sneakers, and now I've started
28:15
Speaker 2: getting some Lebron James. I've never really been like, I
28:18
Speaker 2: like Jordan's, but I'm not like a Jordan collector. I
28:20
Speaker 2: feel like everybody collects Jordan's. But yeah, like sneakers are
28:23
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like sneakers kind of took the
28:25
Speaker 2: place of what, uh you know, I didn't have anything
28:27
Speaker 2: for a while because I didn't, I stopped collecting, you know,
28:29
Speaker 2: wrestling figures. After somewhere downline, I stopped, you know, like
28:33
Speaker 2: I think I had a breakup and I lost all
28:35
Speaker 2: those shorts because I was telling you just on this topic.
28:38
Speaker 2: I used to go to Jackson Malibu, right, Yeah, I
28:40
Speaker 2: lived in LA and they were Oh but they would
28:42
Speaker 2: love it when I'd come down to They'd treat all
28:45
Speaker 2: of us so well, and then I would just raid
28:46
Speaker 2: the place like I get and you can tell I
28:50
Speaker 2: still had fanom it, Like I grabbed the Shawn Michaels
28:53
Speaker 2: and Bret Hart like Survivor's series pack. Yeah, two dudes
28:55
Speaker 2: without itude. Yeah yeah, And I was just so excited
28:58
Speaker 2: that they had them in awesome. I made a cool headquarters.
29:01
Speaker 4: You guys went to the We got invited, like a
29:02
Speaker 4: couple of actually went.
29:04
Speaker 2: You guys loved it because it was right. It was
29:06
Speaker 2: right in Malibu, right on the beach, a piece beautiful.
29:10
Speaker 2: How is this is?
29:11
Speaker 1: It's still there Jackson's.
29:13
Speaker 2: The building is ATYS.
29:15
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know.
29:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just don't have any like they're not. They
29:18
Speaker 3: have no ties to wrestling anymore, so we have.
29:19
Speaker 1: No real back to the shoes though, So there's definitely
29:22
Speaker 1: shoes that you've never worn that you still absolutely I.
29:25
Speaker 3: Don't even like this is why I'm not a snicker
29:27
Speaker 3: guy at all. So, like how do you decide what
29:29
Speaker 3: you actually put on your feet?
29:30
Speaker 2: Though? Because like, well, here's the thing, some nervous that's
29:33
Speaker 2: the thing. Some of them are so rare and the
29:36
Speaker 2: value is so high, and that's when you're like you
29:38
Speaker 2: have to make a choice. You're either gonna wear them
29:41
Speaker 2: casually or you're just you're gonna wear them kind of
29:44
Speaker 2: for a special event, or you're just not wearing that
29:45
Speaker 2: at all, because, like you said, some of those shoes
29:48
Speaker 2: are the value so high that you're gonna if you
29:50
Speaker 2: wear them out and somebody steps on there, it's going
29:53
Speaker 2: to be like a fighting situation, you know what I mean.
29:55
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like.
29:56
Speaker 3: That's what I was earlier about vintage wrestling shirts are
29:58
Speaker 3: wear so much money. Now I can't wear mine because
30:01
Speaker 3: I don't want to be out like in this three
30:02
Speaker 3: in dollar shirt, Like.
30:03
Speaker 2: No, and you shouldn't, you know, you shouldn't. Yeah, Like
30:06
Speaker 2: so I just there's certain shoes that side these are
30:08
Speaker 2: shoes I'm gonna wear out. I like these they look good,
30:10
Speaker 2: and some of these shoes don't even look good to
30:12
Speaker 2: wear on. Honestly.
30:12
Speaker 1: That's how I do have like these Ghostbuster shoes that
30:16
Speaker 1: have like these like wires coming out of them, so
30:18
Speaker 1: that I've never word but that I have because they're
30:20
Speaker 1: Ghostbuster shoes. So it's kind of it's like I can't understand.
30:23
Speaker 2: That's kind of something you'd more just kind of like
30:25
Speaker 2: you know, once I settle somewhere, I'll probably like displace.
30:28
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, this is an interesting question, Kevin Ford says.
30:31
Speaker 1: The body they used on his fifteen point five figure,
30:34
Speaker 1: that's your first figure versus later figures. We're way more
30:38
Speaker 1: jacked later on. Did you have anything to say about that?
30:40
Speaker 2: Yeah? I told them every time I need to be
30:43
Speaker 2: more tan, I need to need more jack. I like this.
30:47
Speaker 4: We see I've been on emails or Matt telling them
30:49
Speaker 4: I need to be more tan and more Jacks.
30:51
Speaker 1: That's right.
30:52
Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, that just pounded.
30:54
Speaker 1: You gotta tell them, you gotta tell them, you gotta
30:56
Speaker 1: tell them. Okay, here's a good one. Aaron or t
31:00
Speaker 1: how did he end up with the master lock being
31:02
Speaker 1: his finisher and other than himself, who does the best
31:05
Speaker 1: full Nelson?
31:06
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me just come right back to one thing.
31:07
Speaker 2: I just thought of one with you guys. How big
31:09
Speaker 2: of a travesty is it that they never made a
31:11
Speaker 2: masterpiece figure with a cape. They never made one a
31:14
Speaker 2: ca Yeah, right right, not one.
31:17
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's what we call soft goods in the business.
31:19
Speaker 3: And there's there's cost there's there's costs behind that.
31:24
Speaker 1: I could see like a Mattel like Elite Chris, if
31:28
Speaker 1: you were in the w W roster now, But even
31:29
Speaker 1: if they did, like a flashback like that term those
31:33
Speaker 1: soft goods. Yeah, I like, so who came up with
31:37
Speaker 1: the master loc Okay?
31:39
Speaker 2: We were trying to find a finish for me and
31:41
Speaker 2: like you guys probably remember, right around that time, they'd
31:44
Speaker 2: done such crazy stuff that they were trying to recondition
31:47
Speaker 2: the fans. So they were trying to find it finished
31:49
Speaker 2: for me, and we tried some various bumps, but nothing
31:51
Speaker 2: was really making anybody happy. So I think it was
31:54
Speaker 2: arn Anderson or Triple H or a combination of both
31:57
Speaker 2: of them, you know what I mean. They were And
31:59
Speaker 2: the whole idea was to first of all, it's obviously
32:01
Speaker 2: a very effective move, it's leg but to get wrestling
32:04
Speaker 2: fans to buy into these legit holds again because like
32:07
Speaker 2: we needed that at that point, you know what I mean.
32:09
Speaker 2: So that was the whole idea, and I was a
32:11
Speaker 2: little as you guys probably would have. I was a
32:13
Speaker 2: little nervous about it because I knew that it was
32:15
Speaker 2: so basic. I'm like, would I have been excited about?
32:19
Speaker 2: So it really like when the time of set you
32:21
Speaker 2: park is knowing had anything like it? Did?
32:23
Speaker 4: It did?
32:23
Speaker 2: But you got it. It was difficult for me to, like,
32:27
Speaker 2: I don't know if.
32:27
Speaker 1: I was about a masterlinck uhl one even says, ask
32:34
Speaker 1: him to tell you his best wizard story, and then
32:36
Speaker 1: we included the wizard. Last it is. I don't think
32:40
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk.
32:43
Speaker 2: Wizard.
32:44
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
32:47
Speaker 2: I missed out on some money, that's for sure.
32:51
Speaker 1: Mike Gardner says, what was it like getting that main
32:53
Speaker 1: event pushed with Carlito? Were you happy?
32:55
Speaker 2: Nervous? Oh? Absolutely, nervous at times, but yeah, it was
32:59
Speaker 2: very high. It was. Carlito was great for me because
33:02
Speaker 2: what I needed at that point was like, and you
33:04
Speaker 2: guys are probably you guys have probably noticed this working
33:08
Speaker 2: with each other. Sometimes it's good to have somebody to
33:09
Speaker 2: play off of. Course, and especially at that point for me,
33:12
Speaker 2: because it's hard sometimes, especially that early, to really get
33:15
Speaker 2: your personality across because you got so much going on
33:18
Speaker 2: in your head and you're nervous and whatnot. So Carly
33:21
Speaker 2: was able to you know, we had a good dynamic too,
33:23
Speaker 2: like a good we still have a natural chemistry. Like
33:25
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that I feel like people
33:27
Speaker 2: pop for me the most. And you guys will identified
33:30
Speaker 2: with this again, but like they'll see Carlito and me
33:32
Speaker 2: still hanging out to this day, and people really genuinely.
33:35
Speaker 3: Get so happy about that. And carl even get nervous.
33:38
Speaker 3: He's just one of those guys, right.
33:39
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, he like his gimmick is a shoe man.
33:43
Speaker 2: He's always yeah. He don't sweat nothing. You don't get
33:47
Speaker 2: too high, he don't get too low. But I love that,
33:49
Speaker 2: you know, that's cool, It's cool, Edward Flex says. Ask
33:52
Speaker 2: him the story about choking out Shelton Benjamin out with
33:55
Speaker 2: the Master. Lock met him last month and he was
33:57
Speaker 2: proud of that story. Ah yeah, only because of what
34:01
Speaker 2: you know, when I first did the full Nelson, being
34:04
Speaker 2: that green, there was a few times you know, they
34:06
Speaker 2: genu up to like you know, be real aggressive, be
34:08
Speaker 2: real aggressive, but you still kind of at that point,
34:10
Speaker 2: at least for me, you don't really know how to
34:12
Speaker 2: fake aggressiveness that well, you know, like I'm much better
34:15
Speaker 2: now obviously. But so there were times where, and especially
34:18
Speaker 2: the bigger the guy was around the neck and stuff, Yes,
34:21
Speaker 2: it would be tight. So like with Shelton, what he's
34:24
Speaker 2: talking about is there was a time on raw where
34:26
Speaker 2: I put him in it and I basically made him
34:28
Speaker 2: pass out because I did it too aggressive. Man. Yeah,
34:31
Speaker 2: well no, but that wasn't even the only It did
34:34
Speaker 2: also happen one time with Shane, and that time was
34:36
Speaker 2: a little more stand out because Shane helms. He got
34:39
Speaker 2: and I can talk about this because I think we
34:41
Speaker 2: talked about it open and we're really cool now. But
34:43
Speaker 2: I did it to him too stiff, and he got
34:45
Speaker 2: really mad one time. This was at a house show
34:47
Speaker 2: and you know, we finished the match ding ding ding,
34:49
Speaker 2: and he doesn't even sell it. He gets up, he
34:51
Speaker 2: tells me to f off and whoa, yeah, oh yeah,
34:55
Speaker 2: it was big heat in the back. I mean, you know,
34:57
Speaker 2: he took a brund of the heat because of the
34:59
Speaker 2: way he reacts to it. Obviously, it doesn't look good
35:02
Speaker 2: on me if I'm doing.
35:03
Speaker 4: Two wrongs to make it right.
35:04
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, but you know we I think he I
35:07
Speaker 2: talked to him later, and I think, guys, really, I
35:09
Speaker 2: didn't hurt too many guys. I mean, obviously there was
35:11
Speaker 2: the Stevie incident with the nose, but like that was
35:14
Speaker 2: the master No, it was a Polish hammer. But I
35:16
Speaker 2: just though about hurting guys in general. You know, people
35:18
Speaker 2: knew that I wasn't like, you know, there was a
35:19
Speaker 2: certain point where they knew. He knew I wasn't trying
35:22
Speaker 2: to be that step just I needed to learn, you know,
35:25
Speaker 2: Shakespeare and theater of it. Now we know you could
35:27
Speaker 2: have done that with your face and that you're yeah, yeah,
35:31
Speaker 2: well and you just know how to use your body about.
35:34
Speaker 1: Albert Justice, Albani's who are your dream opponents that you
35:37
Speaker 1: never got to face because you got to wrestle like
35:38
Speaker 1: a lot of those top top guys Michael Tripple, Ah.
35:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was so fun, man, Like those tag matches
35:44
Speaker 2: and stuff. You know, like the matches the people didn't
35:47
Speaker 2: get to see where the but obviously you guys did
35:49
Speaker 2: saw some of them. Was you know, the tag matches
35:51
Speaker 2: on the house shows on those were the matches that
35:54
Speaker 2: really taught me everything because I'd be teaming with Hunter
35:56
Speaker 2: against Sewan and Flair. And I always go back to
35:59
Speaker 2: the main thing that stood out, like initially out of
36:01
Speaker 2: everything watching them work on the Apron was how calm
36:05
Speaker 2: and relaxed they were calling everything. They just you know,
36:08
Speaker 2: there was never a moment where they're like they're calling
36:11
Speaker 2: something in a h you know, all stressed out or
36:14
Speaker 2: panicky or anything like that, and it was just and
36:16
Speaker 2: you know, and to go back to where you saying,
36:18
Speaker 2: it was like, what am I doing out here?
36:19
Speaker 1: Right?
36:21
Speaker 2: Am I so many things? And then I would also
36:24
Speaker 2: think about how you had these almost like all these
36:26
Speaker 2: different generations. You had Shawn and Flair who looked up
36:29
Speaker 2: to nature, and then you had me who looked up
36:31
Speaker 2: essentially all of them, mainly you know, the HPKA and
36:34
Speaker 2: even you know a bit Hunter after Sean, but you know,
36:37
Speaker 2: Sean was always my guy. But to go to the
36:39
Speaker 2: guys I haven't worked off the top of my head
36:41
Speaker 2: right now, I'd say, I'm Brett Hart and Andre the Giant,
36:44
Speaker 2: Oh wow, like those I've always thought of Andre because
36:47
Speaker 2: I've never physically seen him in front of me. And
36:49
Speaker 2: it would just be such a trip to be in
36:51
Speaker 2: the ring with the guy and look at that and
36:53
Speaker 2: sell for him. Like how fun would it be to
36:55
Speaker 2: self and think about it to have Andre give you
36:57
Speaker 2: one shot.
36:58
Speaker 4: And just even put them out suck on on.
37:00
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no no, but it would be fun
37:03
Speaker 2: to attempt it, think about think about I already know
37:06
Speaker 2: what we do. He'd lift me up on his back
37:08
Speaker 2: and squashed me in the corner and then give me
37:10
Speaker 2: that ass ram.
37:11
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that spot on the kid.
37:14
Speaker 2: You think I thought about this previously, I should have it.
37:17
Speaker 2: It's all coming to me now. But and then Brett
37:19
Speaker 2: Hart just goes without saying what I mean. And I
37:21
Speaker 2: think I told you guys. It was like three weeks
37:23
Speaker 2: ago as in Calgary, and his wife saw that I
37:25
Speaker 2: was out there and she invited me over and I
37:27
Speaker 2: got to sit with the hit man for like three
37:30
Speaker 2: and a half hours. I left it like three thirty
37:32
Speaker 2: in the morning, just oh my god. Yeah, And it
37:34
Speaker 2: was it was just it was so cool man, like
37:36
Speaker 2: just you know, you know how he loves to talk
37:38
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, and we FTR eat your heart out.
37:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about it before, like Brent and Sean
37:44
Speaker 1: were two guys that we all saw their tag team.
37:48
Speaker 1: I see guy, we saw them work up. They were
37:51
Speaker 1: the first two that we got to see work up
37:53
Speaker 1: from the not the bottom of the car, but the
37:55
Speaker 1: tag team ranks all the way to the top. So
37:57
Speaker 1: I think that's so many people in larger than life busy.
38:00
Speaker 1: So it made it more like we all GRAVI because
38:03
Speaker 1: we followed their story. Was that the PM foundation I
38:06
Speaker 1: see run you.
38:07
Speaker 2: Know it was it was I always go back to
38:09
Speaker 2: that exact thing you said, like, and that's what pulled
38:11
Speaker 2: me back into wrestling in ninety five. Like and Brett Hart, Yeah,
38:14
Speaker 2: he was a part of that too, because just seeing
38:17
Speaker 2: that ascend, you know what I mean to see like
38:19
Speaker 2: a guy like that you love as the inner car
38:22
Speaker 2: tagg wrestler, but then you know, you really start getting
38:25
Speaker 2: on boarded. It's the growth. Yeah, and the inner conn
38:28
Speaker 2: I think that's why.
38:28
Speaker 3: And you can't manufacture, but something like that will always
38:31
Speaker 3: trump like the Mega.
38:34
Speaker 2: This guy can't be beat.
38:35
Speaker 3: He can't take a bump for you, Like, yeah, fans
38:37
Speaker 3: can see right through that and they'll gravitate too. Yes,
38:40
Speaker 3: I've looked at that and watching him, you know, Chug
38:43
Speaker 3: along through the years.
38:44
Speaker 2: You know, when they debut, guys, I look at that
38:46
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, it's like cool that you're
38:47
Speaker 2: getting hotshotted, but like you know, it's guys. To watch
38:50
Speaker 2: the guys who had that journey. And I just again,
38:53
Speaker 2: I just remember when I started watching in ninety five,
38:55
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe, like that this guy who was in
38:57
Speaker 2: the or not not ninety five, many twelve, yep. And
39:01
Speaker 2: when I saw the Iron Man match, or even starting
39:03
Speaker 2: at the Rumble that year, to see that guy who
39:05
Speaker 2: was a rocker and going to a guy I really
39:08
Speaker 2: liked to with Sherry and becoming innercona and then to
39:11
Speaker 2: start appreciating what those guys all brought, which was rather
39:14
Speaker 2: than the physiques and the over the top person out,
39:17
Speaker 2: they brought the athleticism and they were able to flow
39:20
Speaker 2: around the ring unlike anybody's mister perfect and you know
39:23
Speaker 2: Rick Flair's in that class. I mean that those are
39:25
Speaker 2: you know, when I think of my favorite workers, it
39:27
Speaker 2: was always those guys man, because they covered you know
39:29
Speaker 2: what I mean, they were all around the ring, bumping
39:31
Speaker 2: around and like just a bumping athletic heel.
39:34
Speaker 1: And speaking of Ric Flair, our first overseas tour. You
39:37
Speaker 1: were on it and you worked Flair like the whole
39:39
Speaker 1: loop singles, working Flair like on a tour.
39:42
Speaker 2: And it's so funny you brought that up because I
39:43
Speaker 2: don't know if you remember, but he was pissed at
39:45
Speaker 2: me on that tour.
39:46
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't want to bring it up. I
39:48
Speaker 1: remember he walked it. It's like working Lager.
39:54
Speaker 2: And it's so weird.
39:55
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, but it's.
39:57
Speaker 2: Hard to even talk about because you just like, how
40:00
Speaker 2: did it even get to that? Because like I understand
40:02
Speaker 2: what that moment means.
40:03
Speaker 1: You're working Rick Flair and we're working these big.
40:05
Speaker 4: Houses Singapore, Perth, the massive arenas every night.
40:09
Speaker 2: I just think, honestly, I had like there were a
40:11
Speaker 2: lot of personal issues going on at that time, because
40:13
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people know I was battling,
40:14
Speaker 2: like the Pillar thing and all that. We're busy, But
40:18
Speaker 2: like the one thing about that tour I was remember,
40:21
Speaker 2: so like the first two matches, yeah, they didn't go
40:22
Speaker 2: great for whatever reason. I don't know what the problem was, honestly,
40:25
Speaker 2: and I feel shameless it. But on the third night
40:28
Speaker 2: we worked in Perth, right, yeah, like I said, and
40:30
Speaker 2: it was this huge house, right, and I remember me
40:33
Speaker 2: and Rick and me went for like twenty two minutes
40:36
Speaker 2: and like I was able to redeem myself in that
40:38
Speaker 2: match again for whatever reason, and that one I knew,
40:41
Speaker 2: you know, they had already reamed me out. My other
40:43
Speaker 2: memory of that that just sparked.
40:44
Speaker 4: You lost your bags and you did the whole tour
40:46
Speaker 4: and these like Bob Marley like board show.
40:48
Speaker 1: Oh my, all you had was like.
40:51
Speaker 2: The tour shirt.
40:53
Speaker 3: And this is back when like Dresco was like real.
40:55
Speaker 3: So we're all like, looks like we're going to church
40:57
Speaker 3: and then you're just chilling a lot with Bob Harley.
41:00
Speaker 2: I love those, Bob, because because I recognized the ridiculousness,
41:06
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like and I would wear
41:08
Speaker 2: them the TV taping all that makes feeling better.
41:11
Speaker 3: The main amount of all those shows is Fatista Collie
41:13
Speaker 3: and he couldn't get going at him to save his life.
41:15
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Dave.
41:17
Speaker 3: And we don't know David all this point, we're terrified
41:19
Speaker 3: of him, and we wound up become a buddy and
41:21
Speaker 3: he's a nice guy ever, but he would come back
41:22
Speaker 3: to the curtain go every guy like so like go
41:25
Speaker 3: nuts like and we were like, whoa ship and it
41:27
Speaker 3: was so intimidating.
41:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, those were brutal. And then they's the first tour,
41:30
Speaker 2: so you know, you know what they did what they
41:33
Speaker 2: did adventures, they just turned them into tag matches.
41:35
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think so Yeah. Well, I mean
41:37
Speaker 1: we went like almost an hour we just shooting the ship.
41:40
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for.
41:41
Speaker 3: Doing moments of all time. I got said, we've never
41:43
Speaker 3: had a stinker. We've had so many matches.
41:45
Speaker 1: I think I think we've only worked.
41:47
Speaker 2: We have chemistry from days well by me, we'll have
41:49
Speaker 2: some great opportunities here. Man, I look forward to you're
41:51
Speaker 2: getting healthy. I like, you know, just while I'm on here,
41:53
Speaker 2: I just love what you've been doing. We're allowed to
41:55
Speaker 2: talk about this, but I guess I was really bummed
41:58
Speaker 2: when the injury went down because I just liked, uh,
42:01
Speaker 2: you know, the energy.
42:02
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
42:03
Speaker 2: Like hopefully we'll get some matches up coming, and I.
42:06
Speaker 1: Would hope that n w A gets some sort of
42:08
Speaker 1: figure deal because you're what we calling the biz toye.
42:11
Speaker 3: You have all that entrance, do you think, Hi, while
42:12
Speaker 3: we're doing this, we got to hook the piece up
42:14
Speaker 3: with Cella and get him a little has, but we
42:15
Speaker 3: got to.
42:16
Speaker 1: Get him something. We need a micro brawler. Let's get
42:19
Speaker 1: you something do guys. You need to merch baby, I know.
42:23
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I feel you. Man. It'd be
42:24
Speaker 2: cool to make something with like the vest now too
42:27
Speaker 2: and stuff.
42:27
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very toy. We'll talk to our guys all right, man,
42:30
Speaker 1: anything anything to plug any like social media?
42:33
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so you guys can I'm on Insta.
42:35
Speaker 2: The most place I'm active as Instagram. That's at Chris
42:38
Speaker 2: Masters three one oh and on Twitter? And is that
42:40
Speaker 2: Chris adonnas And uh yeah, that's good guys. And I
42:43
Speaker 2: haven't seen the Masterpiece lately.
42:45
Speaker 3: He's got some flowing, beautiful locks nowtail.
42:50
Speaker 2: You know what they always talk about how you got
42:52
Speaker 2: to evolve, and it's just like, you know, like I'm
42:54
Speaker 2: trying to just you know, become Chris Masters two point.
42:59
Speaker 1: I love it. Alright, thanks dude, al right ba