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The Big Issues - November 23 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio though, Well they have returned
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  Speaker 1: the big issues.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Tolner, good morning to you, Merged.
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  Speaker 1: Emerged, just emerged, emerged, And Damian Hale, good morning to
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  Speaker 1: your morning Waffy.
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  Speaker 2: Very well, what a week to have you both back with.
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  Speaker 3: Must be. Dave's washed in from Stewart.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can I just say that Damien Hale's rocked up
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  Speaker 1: sporting a mustache.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a mosseelle tell us, well it's about it's November.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm not I'm not raising any money like all
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  Speaker 4: my mates throwing enough money and spend.
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  Speaker 5: Just doing it for publicity.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm just doing it to just have a conversation
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  Speaker 4: council next time. I've had forty conversations with friends and
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  Speaker 4: family about men's health and just getting your blood tests.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll admit I had a com moscopy about six
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  Speaker 4: weeks ago that had a few polyps cut out, and
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  Speaker 4: I was it's something that guys have to do.
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  Speaker 3: You get to our age.
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  Speaker 4: I was just saying, I'm always on the Dave about
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  Speaker 4: getting blood tests and getting doing a pooh test.
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  Speaker 3: I said, I volunteered.
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  Speaker 4: Not to hold them, not to hold the hold the
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  Speaker 4: little container on Dave backs up, I might need a
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  Speaker 4: five five liter bucket.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, that is a visual I don't need.
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  Speaker 1: But the message about men's health is incredibly important to.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of them. Just just go and get a
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  Speaker 3: blood test.
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  Speaker 6: It's very still through the mud, but you realize, okay,
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  Speaker 6: just an important message like that to drag through the mud.
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  Speaker 3: No, I just dragged Toller. I just dragged Tolly.
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  Speaker 2: I actually don't mind how the message gets out there.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's so important that our blokes do
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  Speaker 1: look after themselves. If not for yourself, do it for
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  Speaker 1: your family. And it's something that I talk about a
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  Speaker 1: lot after losing my dad, And I think it's really
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  Speaker 1: important to make sure that our men know how valued
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  Speaker 1: you are in the community, how portan you are to
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  Speaker 1: your families and to the community, and that you do
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  Speaker 1: need to look after you.
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  Speaker 4: And I think last the last time we were in here,
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  Speaker 4: I think I actually said to Tolly, when was the
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  Speaker 4: last time you went to the doctor, And Tolly went.
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  Speaker 3: I don't go to the doctor. I don't need the doctor.
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  Speaker 3: Now he talks, I walk out.
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  Speaker 4: So he's got a gasper in one hand and he's
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  Speaker 4: having he still smokes like he still smokes, Tolly, does
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  Speaker 4: I worry about.
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  Speaker 3: Me, big mate? I want to I want to grow
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  Speaker 3: old and to drink with him and enjoy.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoy talking about how good we thought we were,
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  Speaker 4: and but I worry that he doesn't look after himself enough.
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  Speaker 2: Both of you look after you as you see.
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  Speaker 6: I've been a health minister and he didn't want the hospital.
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  Speaker 6: I understand that the pressures on the health system, and
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it's right that people can't waste doctor's times.
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  Speaker 2: Oh come on, I am sure you have a check
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  Speaker 2: up though, Are you going to end?
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  Speaker 6: There's plenty of people out there who.
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  Speaker 5: To see a doctor.
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  Speaker 3: It's blood test and it's called preventative.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, let's move along.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move along because there is a lot to talk
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  Speaker 1: about this morning, and we might kick off with the
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  Speaker 1: fact that the government has received a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: budget bonus. Four hundred public servants have been forced to
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  Speaker 1: quit because they refuse to get the COVID JAB or
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  Speaker 1: have they been sacked. I'm not too sure what the
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  Speaker 1: semantics of it are, but what we do know is
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  Speaker 1: that the Chief Minister obviously wants to use that money
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  Speaker 1: to get the public servants to support the controversial four
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  Speaker 1: year wage freeze. So he's upped the bonus from one
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars for our public servants to four thousand that
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  Speaker 1: public servants would receive in the first year of their
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  Speaker 1: pay freeze in lieu of a pay rise. They then
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  Speaker 1: receive two thousand dollars annual retention bonus for this subsequent
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  Speaker 1: three years. So it is obviously a six thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: improvement for public servants over four years on the government's
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  Speaker 1: current offer. Now my first question, how on earth after
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  Speaker 1: two years ago? I guess it was that the Chief
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  Speaker 1: Minister said we couldn't possibly cut the public service in
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  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, or it would mean that
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  Speaker 1: we were losing vital people from the public service. How
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  Speaker 1: can we now lose four hundred and it have no
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  Speaker 1: impact according to the Chief Minister on our thinking.
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  Speaker 6: He'sked out that this is deadwood in his view, These
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  Speaker 6: four hundred people are dead wood that they don't need.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, in the Chief Minister's own words, nothing's
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  Speaker 6: going to be affected by these people going. Service delivery
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  Speaker 6: will remain the same. And it begs the question, why
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't you just got rid of the dead wood when
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  Speaker 6: you could if his view is that they're deadwood. Now
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  Speaker 6: it's quite un need these four hundred people, and you
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  Speaker 6: just wonder how many other bits of deadwood are hanging
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  Speaker 6: around the public service that we don't actually need.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but you know, would you call like I think
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  Speaker 1: there was sixty five nurses, if my memory serves me correctly,
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  Speaker 1: I think there was about sixty nurses that had obviously
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  Speaker 1: chosen not to get the vaccine and we're no longer
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  Speaker 1: able to stay in their roles.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I certainly wouldn't call sixty
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  Speaker 2: nurses dead wood.
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  Speaker 5: No, I would neither.
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  Speaker 6: But that's the line that the Chief Minister's taken, is
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  Speaker 6: that we don't need these people, oh they're dead would.
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  Speaker 4: So it's been like it wasn't something that snuck up
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  Speaker 4: on people, and he was very clear, I think right
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  Speaker 4: from the start of COVID back in March last year, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Been pretty clear on all these decisions.
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  Speaker 4: That have been made, whether they've been blocking the borders,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's been quarantine, whether it's been lockdowns or lockouts,
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  Speaker 4: and now he said if you don't if you want
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  Speaker 4: to work in the Northern Territory public sector, you need
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  Speaker 4: to be vaccinated by the twentieth of November or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: As he said, we're sixty nurses short.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he made it very clear that you had to
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  Speaker 3: be vaccinated.
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  Speaker 5: So we're sixty nurses short.
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  Speaker 4: And I watched it with interest his press conference that
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  Speaker 4: everyone's talking about how he was quite terse and quite.
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  Speaker 2: Aggressive, oh yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I never had a problem with
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  Speaker 4: it because I sort of think it's almost like the
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  Speaker 4: vomit principle, when you're sick of saying something, people are
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  Speaker 4: only just starting to listen, And as a football coach,
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  Speaker 4: I know what that means. So I think that he's
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  Speaker 4: been very adamant. He's been very clear, and all three
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  Speaker 4: of the people I look at, Michael Gunner, Jamie Chalk
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  Speaker 4: of the Commissioner, and you hegy right from the start
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  Speaker 4: of this pandemic, have been very clear in their instruction.
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  Speaker 4: So if people are upset about losing their job, or
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  Speaker 4: people are disappointed about you know that they don't want
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  Speaker 4: to be vaccinated, I think that he's already said I
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  Speaker 4: think we've got to get vaccinated people. It's coolidated through
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  Speaker 4: the Parliament.
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  Speaker 6: I think what's upsetting people is that you've got thirty million,
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  Speaker 6: supposedly thirty million dollars a saving from deadwood, which is
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  Speaker 6: now going to bonus for public servants, despite the fact
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  Speaker 6: that the public service and we've got to remember the
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  Speaker 6: government's borrowing money to pay for public servants. At the moment,
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  Speaker 6: debt sits at nine billion dollars. It's eye watering them ount.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this is just economic stupidity. It's just nuts.
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  Speaker 6: It's completely much. You've got a nine billion dollar debt.
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  Speaker 6: Why wouldn't you just retire some debt?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the thing that I find quite astonishing, and I
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  Speaker 1: get what you're saying, Haley, he has been you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could never say that the Chief Minister has not
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  Speaker 1: been clear on his vaccine mandate, because he most certainly has.
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  Speaker 1: He certainly hasn't been a turncoat when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the vaccine mandate and when it comes to COVID. But
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  Speaker 1: what he has certainly turned around about a few times.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say, is this pay freese
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  Speaker 1: and saying that there's going to be a pay freeze. Then,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then there's the thousand dollar bonus. We'll
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  Speaker 1: hang on a second. Now, we're going to give you
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  Speaker 1: a bit more because we've all of a sudden got
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  Speaker 1: this extra thirty thirty million dollars. Wouldn't that be thirty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars better invested into the health service?
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  Speaker 2: I know that.
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  Speaker 1: You know that, Dave, You've said it could just be
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  Speaker 1: actually retired on paying off some of that.
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  Speaker 5: Debt, paying off debt.
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  Speaker 6: But the other side of the coin, I mean, let's
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  Speaker 6: be honest to you, all this lockdown stuff, it really
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  Speaker 6: hasn't affected public servants to any extent at all. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: admittedly there's a few nurses and people in the health
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  Speaker 6: system have been called under new extra hours, all of
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  Speaker 6: which they've been paid for, extra time, extra leave, all
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  Speaker 6: of this other sort of stuff they're getting paid for.
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  Speaker 6: What about those businesses out there they've actually laid off
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  Speaker 6: people who've gone to the wall. And there's been dozens
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  Speaker 6: and dozens of businesses that we've been talking over the
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  Speaker 6: last twelve months that have gone to the wall. Where's
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  Speaker 6: the reward for them? Well, you know, I mean, at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, public so see we told
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  Speaker 6: go home. You know, you're still paid, you still looked after,
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  Speaker 6: you've still got a job, you know. But all of
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  Speaker 6: these businesses have gone to the wall, some of them
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  Speaker 6: have lost their houses, business people and that sort of
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  Speaker 6: stuff through no fault to their own. But because the
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  Speaker 6: economy has been completely shut down, we've got nine billion dollars,
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  Speaker 6: We've got nine billion dollars worth of debt right, all
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  Speaker 6: of which ultimately is paid by working people. Bull like
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  Speaker 6: people who actually go and produce stuff. Much in the
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  Speaker 6: public service is not producing anything. It's providing services to
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  Speaker 6: the community, which you need and you like. But at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, it's the people who go
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  Speaker 6: out and risk their incomes, risk their houses, you know,
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  Speaker 6: put their lives on the line, start businesses and all
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  Speaker 6: that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: That are the drivers of the economy.
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  Speaker 4: And guess who drives the economy more than anyone. Twenty
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  Speaker 4: four thousand public sector workers.
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  Speaker 6: Twenty four public service workers are paid for by the taxpayer.
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  Speaker 3: They spend their they're paid for that spend their money
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  Speaker 3: in the territory.
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  Speaker 6: But that's what they call churnste It doesn't do anything
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  Speaker 6: to grow the economy, no doubt. The economy is grown
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  Speaker 6: by producing stuff which comes from the private shy.
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  Speaker 1: There is no doubt that this is something that it's
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  Speaker 1: actually firing the community up as much as it's firing
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  Speaker 1: you two.
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  Speaker 2: Up, and I think fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you've got public servants who've been working on
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  Speaker 1: the frontline, who have been working incredibly hard, and you
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  Speaker 1: know they're thinking, all right, well we do we We
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  Speaker 1: actually deserve to receive a pay increase every year rather
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  Speaker 1: than a bonus, has been the argument from the public
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  Speaker 1: sector union and the union.
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  Speaker 4: That's an interesting point, you may well, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: think Kay Densley and the others that have gone into
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  Speaker 4: to back for public sector workers in the last six
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  Speaker 4: months since this was announced, they'll be getting their doors
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  Speaker 4: knocked down with people wanting to join the union now.
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  Speaker 4: They'll be so impressed with the union. They should have
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  Speaker 4: twenty four thousand union members in the CPSU and the
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  Speaker 4: ETU and.
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  Speaker 1: Very hard. The thing that it does make me think
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  Speaker 1: to myself is we know that the public so that
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  Speaker 1: they were the public servants, were incredibly pissed off when
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  Speaker 1: they learned that their pay was going to be frozen.
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  Speaker 2: There's no clearer way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they were upset about it now, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, then you've got, on the other hand, our
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  Speaker 1: private sector who throughout the COVID situation, many people were
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  Speaker 1: forced to have their hours cut, they had their pays cut,
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  Speaker 1: they had their jobs cut. In some situations, it does
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  Speaker 1: just feel to me as though there is a real
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  Speaker 1: disparity within the Northern Territory at the moment from the
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  Speaker 1: Chief Minister feeling as though he really needs to look
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  Speaker 1: after those in the public service, but those private sector
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  Speaker 1: people are a bit of an afterthought and that may
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  Speaker 1: not be his intention, but that's the way that it's
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  Speaker 1: coming across to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: We can help the private sector is get vaccinated, get
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  Speaker 4: our borders open, and get back to normal. I flew
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  Speaker 4: back from Cairns. I was double vaxed by June one.
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  Speaker 4: I knew where this was heading.
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  Speaker 3: I got double vaxed.
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  Speaker 4: I flew back in yesterday from cans By the time
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  Speaker 4: I got through the airport, I needed a holiday because
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  Speaker 4: I had three bits of paper. I had a vax
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  Speaker 4: my vaccination thing, I had my border entry, I had
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  Speaker 4: my license. I'm trying to balance all this stuff. You
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  Speaker 4: got a mask wrapped around your face and you just
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  Speaker 4: think yourself. The best thing we can do for the
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  Speaker 4: private sector in the Northern Territory is get vaccinated so
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  Speaker 4: we can get back to normal and get back to
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  Speaker 4: the lifestyle that we enjoy.
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  Speaker 6: But the point is we've got the world's highest vaccination rates.
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  Speaker 6: Australia is the world's highest vaccination rates. Almost every country
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  Speaker 6: in the world is wide open. Their economy is a
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  Speaker 6: wide open. Now you can fly anywhere you like in
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  Speaker 6: the rest of the world, not in Australia. Right here,
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  Speaker 6: we're still penalizing businesses. You've got to remember every single
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  Speaker 6: one of those people that you see at the airport
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  Speaker 6: that gives you pieces of paper, and you've got to
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  Speaker 6: go and answer multiple questions, the same question five times.
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  Speaker 6: You notice when you come through, you've got to fill
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  Speaker 6: out a form and then you've got to sit there
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  Speaker 6: and you've got to answer the same questions that you
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  Speaker 6: just put on the form five minutes before. You say
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  Speaker 6: why you ask we have to buy law, ask these
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  Speaker 6: questions all over again. Every single one of those workers
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  Speaker 6: is a frontline worker from somewhere else that now is
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  Speaker 6: sewing up. You know, our crime rates are gone through
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  Speaker 6: the roof. The hospital system can't cape.
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  Speaker 1: Because of.
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  Speaker 5: Fretting.
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  Speaker 3: You've got free.
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  Speaker 6: Session, getting a pay rise a team thousand dollars over four.
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  Speaker 3: Years always go better under labor. That's what I.
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  Speaker 5: Under do you know the.
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  Speaker 2: Parties.
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  Speaker 1: The sad part is is that at the moment there
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  Speaker 1: is that real feeling of disparity within the community when
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  Speaker 1: it comes.
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  Speaker 2: To the way that a lot of our private.
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  Speaker 1: Sector employees, businesses, those that work in the private sector
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  Speaker 1: are feeling at this point in time. And we all
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  Speaker 1: understand that we need our public service obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to be running and operating really well in the territory.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, the real kick in
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  Speaker 1: the guts over the last couple of days was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we've been hearing from the Chief Minister
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  Speaker 1: for the last two years that there is no way
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  Speaker 1: that we can afford to lose public servants. It would
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  Speaker 1: have an impact on the business in the Northern Terroristory,
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  Speaker 1: would have an impact on the population, it would have
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  Speaker 1: an impact in so many ways. Yet then we lose
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and he's telling us it's not going to
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  Speaker 1: impact service delivery in any way. And you know thirty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars saved, Well, we'll put that straight back back into.
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  Speaker 2: The public service. That's why it's pissing people off.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I bet you what.
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  Speaker 4: Will happen is, I'll bet you there'll be another round
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  Speaker 4: of stimulus coming around the same time. The same time
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  Speaker 4: as they get that money, there'll be suddenly the built
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: there will be a trade scheme will come out, There'll
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  Speaker 4: be something for first homeowners, there'll be something for tourist vouchers.
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  Speaker 4: All the stuff that senior and middle management and public
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  Speaker 4: servants spend their money on. And if you're stuck in
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: the territory, because I'm telling you, you don't want to
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  Speaker 4: go anywhere, and if you're stuck here, you might as
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  Speaker 4: well just spend your money in the terrace.
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  Speaker 1: Former Northern Territory Treasurer sitting over in the corner there,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Tolman is having conniptions here.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I just love the way he goes on about
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  Speaker 4: our debt. What about Friedenberg's debt? You never hear anything
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  Speaker 4: about the three dollars towards there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Treasurer.
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  Speaker 6: But let's understand this, right, the territory doesn't pay its
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  Speaker 6: way anyhow. We are safe, Like eighty percent of the
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  Speaker 6: Northern Territory budget comes out of Canberra. Right, It's not
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  Speaker 6: us as taxpayers that are paying for all this debt.
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  Speaker 6: It's all other Australians, all those people in the rust
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  Speaker 6: Bucket states, and New South Wales and Victoria are paying
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  Speaker 6: our way here and we sit there and.
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  Speaker 5: Think it's okay to give public service.
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  Speaker 4: The deficit election of twenty twelve, when Tiny Abbott said
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: we had a debt crisis, Josh Srodenberg mightn't have been
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: in parliament.
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  Speaker 5: Right well, S Freedenburg was in parliament. Joe Hockey was
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  Speaker 5: a treasurer.
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  Speaker 6: That was sort of the day we departed from economic
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  Speaker 6: you know, rationalism when we decided to just crank up
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  Speaker 6: a trillion dollars worth of debt. I'm as horrified as
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: you are about that. Highly you are about that. Let
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  Speaker 6: me tell you something. Here's an interesting statistic for you.
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  Speaker 5: You fact check it.
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  Speaker 6: In two thy and sixteen, right two thousand and sixteen,
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  Speaker 6: when we left government in the Northern Territory, there was
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  Speaker 6: one point seven billion dollars a net debt. Right now
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  Speaker 6: it's nine billion dollars so and per capita terms, territorians
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  Speaker 6: went from owing seven thousand dollars per me and woman
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  Speaker 6: and child to now owning owing thirty seven and a
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  Speaker 6: half thousand dollars per man, woman and child. That's a
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  Speaker 6: territory budget, federal budget, as you know. Two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 6: we had one hundred billion dollars sitting in the bank.
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  Speaker 5: There was we were in the black.
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  Speaker 6: Right in two thousand and seven, we had one hundred
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  Speaker 6: billion dollars sitting in the back bank, sixty million in
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  Speaker 6: the Future Fund, sixty billion in the Future Fund, forty
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  Speaker 6: billion in the higher Education Endowment Fund. Since two thousand
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  Speaker 6: and seven, now we've cranked up, thanks to Kevin Rudd
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  Speaker 6: and Scome, we've cranked up a trillion dollar, trillion dollars
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  Speaker 6: worth of debt. You work that amongst twenty four million Australians,
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  Speaker 6: that's forty thousand dollars a debt per man, woman and child.
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  Speaker 6: So in the Northern Territory we owe forty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 6: debt in NT government terms, plus another forty thousand debt
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  Speaker 6: for the federal government side of things. Now, you walk
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  Speaker 6: around the street and you have a look and say,
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  Speaker 6: who's good for eighty grand in the territory. Because that's
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: what every single living soul per capita in the territory
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  Speaker 6: has to.
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  Speaker 2: Be well on that.
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  Speaker 5: And that just cannot continue.
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  Speaker 1: That is just written nut on that very bright nighte
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  Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a short break.
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  Speaker 1: You are listening to next one oh four point nines
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  Speaker 1: three sixty. It is the big issues is just ten
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: minutes away from eleven o'clock. I tell you what the
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: time gets away from you when you start talking about
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: those pay increases for public servicen't winding up.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. It's about he just doesn't like public servants.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: No, he doesn't. He doesn't like wasteful expenditure. He likes
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to know exactly where all that money's going.
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  Speaker 3: Or the luncheon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well definitely. Hey, let's talk about this first,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: because our listeners don't care about you two getting a
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: free lunch. They want to know what's going on.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: If you ever get what's been a decade.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Raise something like that in the first.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Waiting for ten years. There's more than one one blood mean.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: The coalition is split over One Nation Leader Pauline Hanson's
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: new legislation vowing to make it illegal to discriminate against
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the unvaccinated, with five senators crossing the floor over the bill.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Senators Jared Reddick, alex Antique Matt Canavan, can Chetta Fair,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Eventy Wells and Sam McMahon were the Coalition members to
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: cross the floor.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Now, despite the five.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Senators' decisions to vote against the government. The bill was
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: defeated five votes to forty four in the Upper House.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: We know that sen Rennick and also Senator Antik.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Warned that they would not vote in favor of coalition
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  Speaker 1: legislation unless the Prime Minister takes action against mandatory vaccine
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: policies imposed by the States. Now, I had Senator Sam
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: McMahon on the show earlier this morning and she said
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that yes, while she did support Pauline Hanson's legislation, she
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: will not be voting against the coalition legislation.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: She will be voting with the coalition.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I asked her whether she's sort of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: hedging her bits both ways. She said no, that she wasn't,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: but look where this is all going to land.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Forty four to five good decision. Well, looks.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: I think it was a good opportunity for her to
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: put a stake in the ground. And hats off to
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: Sam mcmahont and to the other guys that crossed.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: The floor in the coalition.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the day, somebody's got
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: to stand up and say something. These mean dates are ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we've just been half the morning talking about
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: how stupid they are in the territory.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's what Dave's talking about.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: You're losing four hundred public service and you know now
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: we're going to give a thirty million dollar bonus to
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: the public service. God it's true because basically because of
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: a mandate, that's what it is.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: The liberals. The liberals will the Liberals will say that they're.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: A broad church and people have the right to voice
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: their own views. But I think the Prime Minister and
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: the Labor Party are on the same page with this sale.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: There shouldn't be interesting.
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  Speaker 6: You didn't get sacked and the Liberal Party for crossing
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: the floor, that's for sure.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Well, there's been some labor people that haven't been sacked
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: as well for crossing the floor.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: And well when the marrying scrim deal, we.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Have a lot enough, but we won't drag that up.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: But we could one day, we could talk about that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm making Katie is the Liberal government, the
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Liberal Coalition and the Labor Party are on the same page.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Are what's You've got five senators that grab the headlines
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: for a day and move on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and we did actually speak to Greg Hunt yesterday.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: The Federal Health Minister, and he said that they're not
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: going to be overturning any legislation that is implemented or
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: introduced by the Northern Territory government. When it comes to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the vaccine mandate, they're not going to be over It's.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Going to be interesting to see how this bears out
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: in the election in five months time. But you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: because I mean, ultimately, those guys across the floor have
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: obviously taken note of some of the protests that have
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: been going on around the country. And you know, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: think I said here on a show before that I've
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: never seen marches in the Northern Territory like that since
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: the fair dispute back in nineteen eighty seven. There's not
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: been an issue that's dragged more people out on them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: They tell me there was something like three hundred thousand
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: people marched in Melbourne on the weekend, one und percent.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: You know, there was a find funny is that obviously
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: there is these large numbers of people that are marching.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But then when you look got the vaccine numbers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even for the first in the Northern Territory we're at
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like ninety two percent.
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  Speaker 6: There's a whole whack of people marching that. You know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: they've got no problem being vaccinated, they just don't think
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: it should be mandatory and they see that as a
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: form of fascism. And good on them for marching large
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: largely peaceful protests, you know. I mean, it's not like
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: the Black Lives Matter process protest.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: There was one here that wasn't peaceful to under that's right.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: There was people launching police officers in Melbourne.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: There was.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Bloody.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: The government of the dates made the mandate. Officers are
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: enforcing the rules of the day and they shouldn't have
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: urine and others.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, which is.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: No one can that sort of exactly.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: But in the main the protests have been rather peaceful
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: and and there's been but the point is that lots
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: of people and there's been tops of people.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Some of the protest people remember that large lessons take
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: the kids to protest, and they know that there's going
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: to be Haley.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Those people have been their views has been largely unrepresented
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: in Parliament. The Liberals, along with Labor have chosen to
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: in a lot of cases vilify these people. People referred
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: to idiots, turkeys, minority splinter groups, neo Nazi skin heads,
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: far right extremists. You know, they've picked up every defamatory
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: label they can.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: For I've been called a Nazi for saying that I've
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: been vaccinated, and for telling people that, you know, I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: think I believe the science and that I think people
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: should be vaccinated. So I would say that while they've
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: maybe been called names, I certainly have been and.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I really that's exactly right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Name calling is actually getting and some of what's being said,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: he's actually getting disgusting.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: It's getting really absolutely ridiculous, and and it's you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: I think everybody just needs to take a breath. Every
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: time I pick up the n ten years you sort
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: of read an article about how stupid these people are
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: for protesting to protest, you know, but in the main,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: the media is bagged the daylights out of these people,
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: the media, the politicians and the like. That being said,
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: there's still thousands and thousands of people all over the
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: country marching, and somebody should be putting their hand up
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: to represent them. And at the moment, the only ones
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: you're seeing are the minor parties.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: You know, where the we are running out nations.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: The client so we can just get back to we.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Have run out of time.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, it is always great to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: see you both a discussion, wonderful to have the Big
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Issues back on.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: The luck with his November although he's not even raising
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: money for men's health or anything.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Well conversations. Absolutely.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: It's coming into Christmas and we seem to get hit
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: plenty with donation buckets coming past constantly.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't about raising money. It was about raising
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: a warneness.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Which I think is a great thing to do.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Damien Hale, Dave Tolner, thank you both so very much
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: for your time this morning.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: We talked to you again very soon.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: With that was the Big Issues right here on Mix
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  Speaker 1: one oh four point nine