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Who’s Making the World Cup?, Julie Fitzgerald Joins Us & The Sydney Sweeney Sports Ad · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's an exciting day, obviously. I don't know whether
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  Speaker 2: anyone's gone to work today because, of course, it is
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  Speaker 2: the anniversary of the invention of Play-Doh. Yes, children around
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  Speaker 2: the world are rejoicing at the lovely, salty nuttiness. It's also,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to feel odd, the 45th birthday of
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  Speaker 2: the actress who played Rory Gilmore in The Gilmore Girls, 45,
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  Speaker 2: far out. Okay, you're on No Dribble. Strap in!
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  Speaker 1: Music hello and.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to no dribble the podcast where we talk about
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  Speaker 2: netball and obviously getting old and we talk about so
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  Speaker 2: much more my name is carolyn swindell i'm liz ellis
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  Speaker 2: and there's someone who usually chimes in between us there
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  Speaker 2: yes which is why there was a gap there was
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  Speaker 2: a gap there is a gap there's a gap in
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  Speaker 2: our hearts um But the seat is filled, which is
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  Speaker 2: very exciting.
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  Speaker 3: It is very exciting. Look, there's a gap in our hearts.
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  Speaker 3: And I suspect after last week, there's still a gap
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  Speaker 3: in Catherine's tan lines. I've seen photos of her in Bali,
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  Speaker 3: enjoying her 50th with some of our old teammates. I've
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  Speaker 3: got a question as to why I'm not there. The
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  Speaker 3: answer is simple. It's children's sports ball. So, you know, Catherine,
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  Speaker 3: her timing was awful in terms of putting it around
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  Speaker 3: grand finals. Anyway, we lost the grand final on the weekend,
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  Speaker 3: so I probably should have gone to Bali. But anywho,
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  Speaker 3: I did have two of my kids who were in
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  Speaker 3: Bali until like this week, so maybe that's got something
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  Speaker 3: to do with it. So I feel like I should
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  Speaker 3: blame Bali for a lot of things. But we can
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  Speaker 3: blame Bali for Catherine not being here. Having said that, though.
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  Speaker 2: But we can also thank Bali for Catherine not being
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  Speaker 2: here because there is.
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  Speaker 3: There is somebody else, somebody who is not a Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame athlete, but who knows a little bit about coaching.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe she can tell me where I went wrong on
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  Speaker 3: the weekend. We have someone who's coached over 400 games,
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  Speaker 3: coached in Australia, coached in New Zealand, coached me when
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  Speaker 3: I was 18. My God. And she's still in netball. Hello,
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  Speaker 3: Julie Fitzgerald. Hello, Liz Ellis.
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  Speaker 4: How are you today?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, fabulous. Thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 4: I lost a grand final last night as well, so
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  Speaker 4: I know how you feel. What age? When your leg opens.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, ouch.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's proper stuff.
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  Speaker 4: North Shore United lost their third grand final in a
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  Speaker 4: row by two. And we were in possession of the
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  Speaker 4: ball when the whistle went.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that hurts.
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  Speaker 4: It was heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 3: Who did you play against?
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  Speaker 4: Mounties.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Okay. They're very good, aren't they?
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  Speaker 2: They are good. I think they've got some former Ferns.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of former Ferns, some experienced players.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to come up against that, isn't it?
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  Speaker 4: They're a very good team.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Jules. Yeah, I mean, under-15s, under-16s cadets at
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  Speaker 3: Ballina doesn't quite measure up to. But a grand final
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  Speaker 3: is a grand final. And funny, I mean, you would
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  Speaker 3: have trained. I said last week that we haven't trained
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  Speaker 3: all year and it showed in the grand final because
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  Speaker 3: we played against a team that who had trained all year.
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  Speaker 3: But at the end of it, they all just looked
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  Speaker 3: at me and said, right, we're going to go to
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  Speaker 3: the pub now for our presentation? I said, yeah. They
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  Speaker 3: were all happy. They got a medal. Off we went.
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  Speaker 3: That wouldn't have been the same with you, Jules, I imagine.
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  Speaker 4: No, I coached a school team for Abbotsley as well
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  Speaker 4: and we won our way through. We won the preliminary final,
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  Speaker 4: so we'll be in the grand final next Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, how exciting.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll see how that one goes. I've got to
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  Speaker 4: win one somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know who you're playing against?
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  Speaker 4: Probably playing against Roseville.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Roseville College.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And so, like... Tell us, what's your last words for
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  Speaker 3: that age group before they go out?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I think for this age group, I just hope
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  Speaker 4: they all enjoy it. And I was listening to you
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  Speaker 4: and Kath's conversation last week. It's a time where you
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  Speaker 4: want everyone to play a part in and everyone to
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  Speaker 4: enjoy it. And I very much hope we do win
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  Speaker 4: because we want to be promoted up a division. But
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  Speaker 4: I think the most important, particularly for year 12s. It's
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  Speaker 4: quite a sentimental thing for year 12s. And they leave
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  Speaker 4: school after they do this now. That'll be their last
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  Speaker 4: big school thing before they go into their exam. So
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  Speaker 4: I really hope we win for our 12s.
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  Speaker 2: My son finishes school at the end of next week.
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  Speaker 2: So they would be the same. And the back end
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  Speaker 2: of next week is no study or anything. It's just
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of. ceremonies and rituals and the like. So
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  Speaker 2: they would be the same. So this is a big weekend.
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  Speaker 4: The major topic of conversation has been what the Year
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  Speaker 4: 12s were to the valedictory dinner rather than tactics.
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  Speaker 2: But that's why managing stress too, isn't it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think so too. I always say to the kids,
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  Speaker 3: just smile. Having said that though, we had two kids
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  Speaker 3: suspended on the weekend like during the game, one from
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  Speaker 3: each team.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: For rough play or back chat?
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  Speaker 3: One was rough play. Anyway, I didn't think it was warranted, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: because she was on my team, Jules. I really had
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  Speaker 3: to swallow my tongue. Anyway, I thought it's just shut up, Liz.
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  Speaker 3: Just let it go. Anyway, this kid's a fantastic athlete.
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  Speaker 3: So I was really disappointed for her. And then from
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  Speaker 3: the other team, it was a kid who, Like she's
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  Speaker 3: the most mild-mannered, gorgeous kid. And it was just continual infringement. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: I had to, this woman is a dribbler, the woman
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  Speaker 3: who was umpiring, and her and I drove down the
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  Speaker 3: highway yesterday for two hours to go to North Coast
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  Speaker 3: to take my daughter and her daughter, who's an umpire,
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  Speaker 3: to North Coast Academy training. And so I was very
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  Speaker 3: well behaved, Julie, because I finished, I'm like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just going to bloody spend the whole day whole trip
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  Speaker 3: telling them where they went wrong. And then when the
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  Speaker 3: girls couldn't care less, I was like, well, why should
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  Speaker 3: I care less? So anyway, I've never, I've never been
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  Speaker 3: known to agree with an umpire, but they absolutely, they
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  Speaker 3: did a great job. They umpired as it should be umpired.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just a bad loser.
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  Speaker 2: So suspended is off for the rest of the game?
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  Speaker 3: No, just two minutes. And it was so funny because
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  Speaker 3: they both, it happened really quickly and they both burst
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  Speaker 3: into tears and went off. And then, so the young
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  Speaker 3: woman on my team went off and sat there and
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  Speaker 3: was crying. And then the next young woman, I shouldn't laugh,
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  Speaker 3: but in hindsight, it's really beautiful. The next young, the
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  Speaker 3: next player from the other team, she got sent off
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  Speaker 3: about 20 seconds later and they both sat there because
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  Speaker 3: they're in the same rep team and they just hugged.
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  Speaker 3: So the game wasn't spiteful. It wasn't played in poor spirits.
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  Speaker 3: It was just, you know, it was just one of
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  Speaker 3: those things, but I did, I did have a giggle.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, God, I've never been involved in a
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  Speaker 3: game where We've had one from each side sent off
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  Speaker 3: before in all my years of playing.
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  Speaker 2: So what are the rules on that? Are you allowed
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  Speaker 2: to shuffle players around? Are you allowed to switch bibs
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  Speaker 2: or is it just like suck it?
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  Speaker 3: Only if it's a centre. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: On a happier note, my seven-year-old granddaughter, Frankie, won her
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  Speaker 4: first ever netball game. Oh, yeah. She's obsessed in netball.
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  Speaker 4: She loves it, but they haven't looked like winning a game,
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  Speaker 4: so they were very happy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's great. That's lovely.
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  Speaker 3: That's so cool. Hey, Jules, I can't believe you're still coaching.
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  Speaker 3: When I think about the first time I met you,
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  Speaker 3: I was sitting at under 19 selections. I must have been,
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  Speaker 3: I would have been 17 actually. So what's that? My
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  Speaker 3: maths is awful. What am I, 53?
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  Speaker 2: 900 years.
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  Speaker 3: 37,000 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you are so enthusiastic now as you were then.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on? How do you do it? Because after
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  Speaker 3: eight years of coaching these girls, I'm nearly done.
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  Speaker 4: To be honest, like I had a team at State
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  Speaker 4: Asia and a team at State Champs and I've got
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  Speaker 4: North Shore United and I've got my school team and
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  Speaker 4: there's lots of little touches around and I'm really happy
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  Speaker 4: that I still love it. I'm really pleased that I
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  Speaker 4: could retire from the top level, not miss it at all,
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  Speaker 4: love coaching my school team and getting all enthusiastic about them.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really happy that I am that way because I
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  Speaker 4: think a lot of people would never go back down,
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  Speaker 4: whereas it never worried me. I just love coaching and
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  Speaker 4: I like people and kids and winning and losing and
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  Speaker 4: all of that. So I'm really grateful that I am
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  Speaker 4: that way.
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  Speaker 3: Which is probably why you were so successful as a coach, right? Because...
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  Speaker 3: You love the sport at all levels. It wasn't like
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  Speaker 3: you became an elite player and that was the level
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  Speaker 3: that your brain was at. You just have loved it
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  Speaker 3: at all levels.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. And I'm really grateful for that because
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  Speaker 4: it means I can stay in touch with it all
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  Speaker 4: and still enjoy it. And I don't miss the top
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  Speaker 4: level at all.
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  Speaker 3: You know, often I'll speak to people like leaders and
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  Speaker 3: talk to them about their why and their philosophy and
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  Speaker 3: particularly coaching. I think it's really important to have a
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  Speaker 3: philosophy that helps you guide you and make the difficult decisions.
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  Speaker 3: What's your coaching philosophy?
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  Speaker 4: I just think it doesn't matter who I'm coaching. I
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  Speaker 4: think I have a responsibility to make sure that they
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  Speaker 4: leave whatever I've been coaching for that season or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: that they leave a better player and a better person.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's your only responsibility and it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: whether you're an Australian player that you hopefully have improved
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  Speaker 4: in little ways or it's a seven-year-old that you may
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  Speaker 4: have improved in big ways. Your responsibility is to make
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  Speaker 4: sure they've loved it and they've got better.
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  Speaker 3: It's such a great philosophy and You know, you've carried
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  Speaker 3: that all the way through. And I remember, you know,
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  Speaker 3: back in the day, you were a single mum with
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  Speaker 3: four little kids and you would turn up and train
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  Speaker 3: us outdoors. Oh, my God. And your son John would
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  Speaker 3: be riding around on his trike round and around and
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  Speaker 3: around and around.
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  Speaker 4: And I was always late because you'd just be out
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  Speaker 4: the door when someone would have to go to the
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  Speaker 4: loo or someone had forgotten something or someone had a
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  Speaker 4: tantrum or something would happen and I was always late
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  Speaker 4: and it used to drive me insane.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember that. I can't remember you being late.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe because I was always late back then.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it used to really worry me.
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  Speaker 2: I can imagine that it would.
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  Speaker 3: The only person it would bother would be Catherine. And
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  Speaker 3: she's always 20 minutes early for everything.
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  Speaker 2: But you were also involved in administration of basketball.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the general manager of Hornsby Basketball for
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  Speaker 4: 10 years. And it was great. It was a great
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  Speaker 4: time of life for me because I needed to work
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  Speaker 4: and I needed to earn money and it was in sport.
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  Speaker 4: And it was a young association that was growing. So
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  Speaker 4: it was, you could be really enthusiastic about it. We
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  Speaker 4: got to build a stadium while I was there, but
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  Speaker 4: more importantly, it was down the road from school. So
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  Speaker 4: the kids would go to school. They'd come to the
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  Speaker 4: basketball stadium after school and they'd play an umpire or
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  Speaker 4: referee and be court supervisors or whatever job they could get.
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  Speaker 4: I'd go off and coach the Swifts. Someone would look
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  Speaker 4: after them. I'd come back, pick them up and go home.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing. And you're really close to all your kids. So often,
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  Speaker 3: I think I've said this before on this show, I'll
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  Speaker 3: often be faced with a decision with my kids and
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  Speaker 3: I think, what would Julie do? Okay, I'll do that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am really close and they're really close to
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  Speaker 4: each other. So I'm really grateful for that.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And a new generation of netballers coming through with some
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  Speaker 2: Julie Fitzgerald wisdom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What did you say to Frankie after the win on Saturday?
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  Speaker 4: I was just so happy for her because she's just–
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  Speaker 4: she loves netball. She's quite funny. She was very upset
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  Speaker 4: because she wears a hair– the way Sophie Dwyer does.
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  Speaker 4: And during the season, Sophie changed her hairstyle and Frankie
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  Speaker 4: had a nervous breakdown. So we had to ask Sophie
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  Speaker 4: if she could please go back.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, seriously?
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  Speaker 4: But then we won and Frankie sent her a message
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  Speaker 4: to say, it's okay, I can do my hair the
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  Speaker 4: way you did it. You can change now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, Sophie. Good news for you all round.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's happy. So, Josie, I mean, I know you're doing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of sort of netball coaching in Sydney, but
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  Speaker 3: are you still coaching? Was it the Maldives you were coaching?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm meant to go back to the Maldives sometime
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  Speaker 4: this year, but they've been a bit all over the
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  Speaker 4: place and particularly with the World Cup qualifiers in Hong Kong.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not sure what's happening there. And I have
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  Speaker 4: to go back to America before November. So at some
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  Speaker 4: stage I'll be off it.
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  Speaker 2: Because, yeah, you did something with Netball USA in Dubai.
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  Speaker 4: I was meant to go to Dubai with a mixed
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  Speaker 4: team from Netball USA and I actually got pneumonia. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: that's right. And I was convinced I could go and
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  Speaker 4: Dr Katie, my daughter, kept saying, you're not going, you're
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  Speaker 4: not going. And then about a week before I thought,
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  Speaker 4: I really don't think I can go. But I have
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  Speaker 4: a flight credit which actually belongs to them so we'll
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  Speaker 4: go back and do something in America.
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  Speaker 3: Whereabouts?
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  Speaker 4: Probably Santa Monica.
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  Speaker 2: Very nice.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: This is an excellent segue because our netball segment that
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  Speaker 2: we want to talk about is World Cup qualifiers. So, Elizabeth,
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  Speaker 2: you've done it again. It's gold star for you on
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  Speaker 2: the segues. But let's have a little break and come
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  Speaker 2: back and talk about the netball qualifiers.
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  Speaker 3: For the World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: So Julie's talking about the USA, but first of all,
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  Speaker 2: what's happening right now? So what we know is that
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  Speaker 2: there are six teams that were qualified already for the
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  Speaker 2: World Cup based on their world rankings, being Australia, New Zealand. Jamaica, England,
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  Speaker 2: South Africa and Uganda. So there are now still World
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  Speaker 2: Cup qualifier tournaments going on around the country for the
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  Speaker 2: around the world for the other 10 positions. So the
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  Speaker 2: Asian qualifier has already occurred. And who are the two
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  Speaker 2: qualified countries?
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  Speaker 3: Hong Kong and Singapore.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. Well done. So that's the Asian Netball Championships, which
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  Speaker 2: occurred in Hong Kong in August. Right now this week
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  Speaker 2: is the Oceania qualifier in Tonga from the 14th to
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  Speaker 2: the 18th of September where we are seeing two teams
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  Speaker 2: will qualify out of Tonga, Cook Islands, Fiji, PNG and Samoa.
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  Speaker 3: That's exciting. I think Tonga are the highest ranked out
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  Speaker 3: of those ones.
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  Speaker 2: And it's at home for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so you would think the Talas would get the
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  Speaker 3: job done. Oh, I don't know. Who else? Maybe Samoa?
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know a lot about a lot of
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  Speaker 4: these teams, but Samoa's built a good team.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And I think they're captained by Christiana Manua and she
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  Speaker 4: will not only bring a great ability to the court,
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  Speaker 4: but she'll be a great leader in terms of respecting
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  Speaker 4: their culture and everything else as well. So I've got
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  Speaker 4: Mahatma in for Samoa for the second spot.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you coached Christiana, didn't you? Yep. What's she like?
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  Speaker 4: Christiana is a very interesting character. She's a great competitor,
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  Speaker 4: a really, really great competitor. And she's always been really
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  Speaker 4: close to her Samoan culture. So I think she will
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  Speaker 4: bring a lot to that team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. And she's the sort of player who she's got,
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  Speaker 3: she's very, it's funny, she was, you know, she played
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  Speaker 3: for the Diamonds, but she's got that Silver Fern style
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  Speaker 3: of defence, like takes a flight, everything outside of the circle.
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  Speaker 3: I bloody loved watching her play. I love a goalkeeper
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  Speaker 3: who have a crack at anything outside the circle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just love her attitude to the game and
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  Speaker 4: her attitude to life.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: It could be summer. Now, it would be very nice
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  Speaker 2: if it was Papua New Guinea. Today is the 51st
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of Papua New Guinea getting independence from Australia. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's just nice.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Nice little symmetry that that's what we're having the conversation
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  Speaker 2: about today. Yeah, that will be interesting to watch. So
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  Speaker 2: we've got– so two teams from there will qualify, we'll know,
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  Speaker 2: by the 18th of September. Then there is the Africa
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  Speaker 2: qualifier from the 19th to the 26th of September. It's
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: very exciting. We know all of this stuff by– by
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: the time the CONCUP's done and dusted, we will know
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: who all the teams are for the World Cup.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: So South Africa, I think– You might already be about
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: to say this, Carolyn. Does South Africa automatically qualify?
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: South Africa and Uganda have already qualified. But they are
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: playing in this. There's two pools. So the other teams
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: who are contesting the remaining two spots, so there will
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: be four African teams in the World Cup. So Kenya, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana, Tanzania,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Zambia and Nigeria and two teams that will qualify. It's
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: being played in Nairobi in Kenya.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: So they.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: for whatever that's worth, which I imagine is quite a lot,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: have the home court advantage.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: And actually, Nigeria have only just become a full member.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: So this might be their first crack at World Cup qualification, actually.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, that's very exciting. So who are we thinking there?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Malawi looking pretty good?
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Hard to go past Malawi. And my understanding is that
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Kenya are pretty good as well.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: And Zimbabwe usually can put a pretty good team on
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: the court.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Don't you look at all those teams and think if
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: somebody resourced them, how good they would be. They have
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: such amazing athletes, but they're so under-resourced. It would be
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: great to see what they could do.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I got a great email during the week from
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: dribbler Alexandra Holden in British Virgin Isles, which is one
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: of our new dribble countries. But anyway, so BVI is
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: competing in the World Cup qualifier and we'll go back
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: and talk about the America's qualifier here.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: But.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting. Long-time listener thought you might be interested
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: in the story of my netball team as it combines
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: two of your favourite things, grassroots netball and listeners in
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: new far-flung places. Far-flung places is hard to say.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: It's tough to say.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: But hello from the British Virgin Islands national netball team.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: We're a small but growing club based in Tortola, British
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Virgin Islands, and we're preparing for our very first America's
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Netball World Cup qualifiers, which will be held in Barbados
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: in October. The biggest tournament we've played in to date.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: We got our first world netball ranking last year.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: The girls are putting their all into tournament prep. We
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: are also putting our all into sponsorship and awareness. We
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: don't really have any funding behind us, so all the
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: players are tasked with raising money for flights and accommodation
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: by seeking sponsors and holding community events. Shout out to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the upcoming car wash and bingo evening. So classics of
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: sports fundraising are behind this. We're really trying to raise
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the profile of netball in the community. There's nothing flash
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: about our team or our facilities. We have just one
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: court on the island, technically a basketball court and not
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: quite regulation size. But there is a great love for
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the sport and passion that it can grow over here. Personally,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I've played netball all over the world from pretty slick,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: better funded clubs to proper grassroots. And what is always
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: amazing about netball is the team spirit, the confidence it
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: can give women and a real hustle for the sport
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to continue to get bigger and better. So I've gone
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: on long enough, but a big hello from the Caribbean.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: And please keep talking about netball at all level. It
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: means a lot to us little ones. So that's from
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Alex at the British Virgin Isles netball team. And they
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: will be playing in their first World Cup qualifier, which
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: happens in the Americas from the 19th to the 26th
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of October.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's fabulous. And I will say, so, you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: when the World Cup was, this World Cup in Sydney
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: was being sort of devised and sort of worked through,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: One of the things that was playing on our minds
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: was the fact that there is this huge gap in
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: funding between your top teams and your last qualifiers. And
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: so one of the things that we have committed to
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: doing is to subsidize the accommodation and food costs for
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: all the teams. So there is equity for what they get.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: So there'll be a couple of different classes of accommodation,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: but it'll all be quite, you know, nice and fit
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: for purpose and all that sort of stuff. So it
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: puts a bit more pressure on us to make sure
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: that we sell more tickets and get more sponsors. But
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's absolutely worth it for these countries who
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: have to fundraise for flights and that sort of thing
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: that they don't have to then cover, you know, food
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: and all the costs of their food and accommodation for
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: the 19 days or whatever it is they're here. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: it's interesting, you know, like people will say to me
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: who don't know the sport very well, oh, why is
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: it all over and done within 12 days? I'm like, A,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: because women are efficient and we get in and we
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: get it done and we get out. But also we
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: have to be efficient because we are not a sport
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: that can bankroll all the flights and all the accommodation
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: and pay the players for being away from work and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: away from their families. So we're doing as much as
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: we can, but that means you do have to have
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: a truncated sort of version compared to maybe the football
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: World Cup. But also a lot of these players aren't professional.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: So they've only got a certain amount of leave and
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: and they've got to get back to often their parents
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: or they've got jobs and careers. And so you get
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: in and you get out. But hearing that story makes
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: me really proud that we are actually going to subsidise
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the accommodation and the food and that sort of stuff
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: so that when these athletes get here, they're not thinking about,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: oh my God, how much did I have to pay?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: You know, all that sort of stuff.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And no small thing because I think there's two World
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Cups in Australia next year, the netball one and the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: rugby one, and I don't have the exact figures but
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I think that netball World Cup is getting about 10%
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of the government funding that the rugby World Cup is getting. So,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like that's why it's 12 days rather
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: than spread all over the country over the course of
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: a month or six weeks or whatever because we are.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Growing.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Growing.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And we very much appreciate all the support that we
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: are getting from government, but would love to see some
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: parity in that funding, please.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I think that's fabulous. And just getting a touch of
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: the Maldives and a little bit to do with Sri Lanka,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: you don't understand just what a big drop-off there is.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: And they're probably two that are a bit better off
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: than a lot of the others. And I think, too,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: that the players come in and the coaches come in
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: and it must be quite daunting to come into a
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: World Cup Because I often think I'd like to have
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: to mentor some of those teams through the World Cup
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: because it's such a big thing for them and they
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: learn so much by the end of it. You'd like
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: to give them a little bit of help in how
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: it all works in the beginning.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true. And actually one of the things,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: you know, when the World Cup team got put together, so,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a separate organisation. There's, you know, a
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: growing team who will put the World Cup on and
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: when they first started built their team and started with
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: their core employees, I went and spoke to them on
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: their strategy day. And I said to them, it's really
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: tempting when you're an Australian to think about, oh, it's
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: about the final, who's going to win the gold medal.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: But having been to four World Cups, I really wanted
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: our team to really focus on making it a memorable
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: tournament for all the teams. So You know, the Diamonds
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: and the Silver Ferns and England and Jamaica and South
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Africa and, you know, Uganda, that top lot of teams
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: will do their due. But I think that it is
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: also really incumbent upon the organising committee to make sure
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: that everybody's embraced and they're doing a great job now
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: sort of reaching out to the communities of the different
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: diasporas around, you know, Sydney and Australia.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: For all these other teams as they qualify. And yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's just fabulous. But a little side note,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: when Hong Kong qualifies, it might be the first one
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: they've qualified for in a while. Yeah. So my sister
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: rang me in tears because she had coached, she lived
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: in Hong Kong for a while.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought of her.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she coached a lot of them. So I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: she's gone and bought tickets or she's actually, she hasn't
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: gone and bought tickets. She's put an order into me
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: for tickets to all the Hong Kong games. Yeah, so
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: she's really excited about that. And my niece played with
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: some of them as well because she played for Hong
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Kong in the under-21s. So, yeah, like for teams like that,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: it's really emotional and really exciting just to qualify. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you want to make sure they have a good time.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And what they did in that Asia qualifier, which is
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: what we're also seeing in the World Cup for the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: first time, is that they had a plate. So they
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: had the Asian Netball Championship. So they were the winners. Singapore,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I think, was the winner, followed by Hong Kong. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: as the top two ranked teams, they then qualified for
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the Netball World Cup. But there were a dozen odd
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: countries competing for that. And they had a plate as well.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And I think Pakistan won the plate. And so that
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: is the top of the bottom half of the comp.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: So obviously, keeping it really interesting for all of the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: teams in there. And I'm excited to see that. happening
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: at the netball world cup too next year i think
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: there's some i think there's some real changes from you
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: know particularly last time that the world cup was here
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: in australia it's very much you know it's going to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: be the same same back place but it's it's going
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to look a very different competition i think.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah it will and if you think back to the
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: 2015 world cup the draw was sort of done so
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: that you got blockbuster games early so australia and new
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: zealand and yeah i remember speaking to oh, one of
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: the teams who ended up in the bottom half of
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the draw. And it was, the way it was structured
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: was that there wasn't a lot of option for like
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: opportunity for movement from the top to the bottom half
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: of the draw because just the way it was structured.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: And I spoke to one of the coaches from the
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: team that had finished in the bottom and she was
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: really upset because it affected their funding, their government funding.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Whereas it's our understanding that Now, if a team comes
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: home with some silverware, it's actually, this is awesome, we've
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: won something. And then they can sort of go to
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: government and sponsors and say, you know, we're on their way.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: You know, we didn't win the cup, but we won,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you know, the next piece of silverware, which is really important. Yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I think it's a really great innovation. I'm excited about
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: it as well.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: So we won't know how British Virgin Isles goes until
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the end of October. They do have some pretty fierce competition.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: They are coming up. So there are two teams that
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: will qualify. Obviously, Jamaica has already qualified. But Barbados, British
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Virgin Isles, Canada, Granada, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, USA,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and Trinidad and Tobago. So it's going to be tough
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: for BVI to qualify. But think about that one netball court,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and it's not even a proper netball court. It's a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: basketball court. It's not full-size. But I think it's so
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: exciting that the game is being played.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you the Maldives do not have a
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: proper netball court. They play on concrete floor in a
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: school or they have any, what do you call it,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: an indoor court where, which is too short. Yeah. The
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: only international size court they have has artificial grass laid
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: over it, which has holes all over it. It's concrete,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: artificial grass and holes everywhere in it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Bloody hell.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Well, imagine that then. There's a lot of nations out
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: there that have a lot.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: For the nations who do qualify then to be able
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to come along and play not just at this level
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: but with these resources too. So I'm thinking it's probably
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: going to be Barbados and Trinidad and Tobago out of
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: those countries.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Trinidad's kind of dropped off. Yeah, it'll be interesting.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Hmm. It's amazing, isn't it? Like Trinidad won a World Cup.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: They were equal winners in 1987, I think it was.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: And then by the time I was playing internationally, like
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I played against Trinidad but they weren't the force that
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: they once were and it seems like they've gone even further.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: further backwards. And when I was playing, Barbados were in
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the top eight, which we loved because we toured to
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Barbados quite a bit.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Because I think, correct me if I'm wrong, the Auckland
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: World Tournament, your last one, Sharon Finn and White coached Trinidad.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, did she? How good's your memory?
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I think so. I think so.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Jules. I was in a tunnel in
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: that one. I saw nothing but what we were doing.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I can't remember. Oh, wow. Oh, that's interesting.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's right.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: But Montgomery's not great, so.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Jeez.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: But interesting. So there's, you know, you look at the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: number of countries competing for those two spots in Africa.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: You look at the number of countries competing for those
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: two spots in the Americas. The Europe qualifier from the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: 25th to the 27th of September, which will be in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: East Kilbride in Scotland, will be contested between Scotland, Wales,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: And two of them go through.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I believe so, yeah. Well, Scotland you'd think would go
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: through there.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: And Wales.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: And Wales. They're the two next strongest, aren't they?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, maybe the Americas want to– you know how
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Australia gets to compete in Eurovision? Maybe British Virgin Isles
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: should say, well, actually, we are a British protectorate. We
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: want to compete in the Europe qualifier there. Alex, clearly
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that's not legal advice. I have no qualifications in that whatsoever.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But I do not understand how Australia gets to compete
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: in the Eurovision Song Contest either. year after year after year.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So there's got to be some type of fluidity in
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: these qualifying, the requirements there.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: You're reminding me of Joe Harton because Australia gets to
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: qualify for the Soccer World Cup against the Oceania teams.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: England gets to qualify against all the power of Europe.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: So to qualify through the Europeans to the Soccer World
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Cup is so much harder than it is for Australia. Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: This is true. Or no, Australia qualify through Asia now,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: don't they?
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, they do, I'm sorry.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: It's New Zealand that qualify through Oceania. Yes, you're right.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Does New Zealand still qualify through Oceania? But let's then
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: have a look at what happens in the Soccer World Cup.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: When England goes, they stay in for longer, don't they,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: because they want to get there. They don't disappoint their
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: fans until quite late.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: In the World Cup. No, that's right. I think that's
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: the tradition of the English. What's the line in Ted Lasso?
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: It's a hope that kills you.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: LAUGHTER Anyway, so we have got, yeah, so those qualifiers
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: are live at the moment. I have no doubt that
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: we will have a lot of great chat about that
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: in the Facebook group. I know we've got a lot
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of people who are really interested, particularly in following Tonga
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: because we're all on Team Unique and Team Halita. But, yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: keep an eye out for those results and post what
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you know, dribblers.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I'm on Team Samoa.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to take a little break and we're
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: going to come back. And Elizabeth has a things that
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: makes her go, hmm, that actually quite a lot of
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the world is saying, hmm, about. Things that make you go, hmm.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Things that make you go, hmm.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Oh, Liz, you've got the internet.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I have.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I've got the interwebs. I don't look at it all
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: that much. I try and stay away from it. It's
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: a bit of a cesspool. But I did see there's
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: a bit of hoo-ha around the new Sydney Sweeney ad for.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's hoo-ha.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, hoo-ha around. Do you know what? I saw the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: hoo-ha and I really still can't wrap my head around
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: what the ad is for. Is it, what's it called?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: It's from, it's. I can't remember what it's called. It
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: starts with N.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. I just showed Julie this and it's
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: already gone. Novig. So I think that what Novig is,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: is the prediction market built for sports fans. So I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: think it's a gambling platform.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I think one of the taglines is there's no politics.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: So it's suggests to me that might also be like
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a social media gambling sports get on have a chat
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: there's been yeah there's been quite the reaction because it's
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: sydney sweeney who is smoking hot with lots of balls
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and not.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So julie's looking a little bit puzzled.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah i didn't know who sydney sweeney was and i'd
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: never seen the ad and apparently the world's talking about
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: it but i'd miss it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Altogether so you would have noticed that sydney sweeney uh
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Has a spectacular rack. Let's not– there's clearly more to her.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Liz, back to you. Sydney Sweeney is an actress.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: She was in– I thought she was really good in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: White Lotus. Did you see that, Liz?
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: No.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, so Julie hit the wall early and I've now
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: hit the next wall. You can keep going and telling
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: us about Sydney Sweeney. And I'm going to be honest,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I only sort of saw her the first time because, again,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I'm hopeless. I don't– if I can't watch– something that
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: my kids can watch. I don't watch it because as
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: soon as the telly goes on, they're sitting next to
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: me going, hey, mum, what are we watching? What are
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: we watching? So we didn't see the white lighters. And
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the first time she came to my attention was with
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: that jeans ad. So she doesn't mind courting controversy. Anyway,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I would have even seen this
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: ad if it hasn't been for all the clapping back.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: And so I looked at the ad and I thought, oh,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I can see what they're doing. Sex sells, I get it. Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: it's only a small representation of what sport is. I've
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: got a very different idea about what sport is. But
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: what I have loved is the fact that it's actually
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: been an excuse for all these different sports to put
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: out highlights packages and all these different sports influencers and podcasters,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: women's sports.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: And particularly about what women in sport look like.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. So it's actually been fantastic because I sort
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: of watched the ad, like the original ad, and I'm like, man,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what it's for. I doubt that
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I'll ever log on to it. It's clearly not my gig.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: But then I've actually found a heap of new accounts
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to follow for women's sport who are putting up all
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: these really great content. And so often you can get
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: caught up in the outrage. But I think here, like
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the outrage is one thing, but the actual what the
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney ad has done has actually meant the proliferation
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: of all this extra content online. And maybe I say
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: it because it's what my algorithm does. But when your
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: algorithm works in your favour, it works in your favour, right?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: So there's all this really great... I'm seeing... Sydney Sweeney,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: this is what women's sports looks like. And I think
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: if I can get my head around it correctly, the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: problem for people who don't like the ad is that
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: there's a suggestion that this is what women's role is
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: in sport, right? For how good you look. And so
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: there's all this great stuff now about this is how
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: a female athlete looks. This is what women in sport
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: should look like. And from my point of view, I'm like, yeah,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I get that people don't like the ad. I'm a
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: bit neutral on it because- It doesn't speak to me,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: so whatever. But I just love the fact that there's
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: been this massive proliferation, that's a tough word to say,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: of all this.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Try saying far-flung places.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Far-flung, far-flung. There's been a proliferation in far-flung places of this. Oh, solid.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Nice work.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Global, right? And I think it's fantastic. And this is
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: probably where, like, that's what the beauty of social media is.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I mean. We've still got that clip online where the
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: men in boats and reflective glasses are still trying to
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: lecture us about sponsorship for women's sport, which gives me
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: a giggle every time I see it. The other thing
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: that it allows you to do, like in the past,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: maybe like 40 years ago, an ad like that might
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: have come out and there's no way for women and
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: women's sport to clap back at it or to say, actually,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: this is how I prefer to see it. Whereas now
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: you can make a clip in moments using AI and
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: some great video footage and voila, you're able to clap back.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: So maybe I was just reflecting this morning that I
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: think even though it's a thing that makes you go, hmm.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: For me, it was a really interesting, because I think
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: we're in the stage now that where you can, you've
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: got the ability to say, well, here's a different narrative.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: And it looks like women using their bodies to perform
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: in sport, which is great.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And I was not aware of this Sydney Sweeney thing
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: until the accounts that I follow on Instagram are showing
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: me all these incredible feats from women doing ultra marathon
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: running and the England Rugby Union team, the Lionesses, who
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I think have won 39 games in a row or something.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So that was what was coming up to me. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: so it has actually, I think, created a whole lot
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: more traffic in that space. And I really do, I
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: know I'm banging on about this, but we have to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: be the solution to the problem that we see for
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: women's sport. The number of the boat men who keep
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: saying to me, It's quite interesting. They're going, she didn't
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: name a single netball player. I bet she can't name
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a single net player. It's like, mate, I can name
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: you 80 right now. But, you know, it's like they
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: have a point that we need to support our, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: if we want to see the change, we've got to
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: be the change. And part of that is going to games.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Part of that is buying memberships. Part of that is
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: buying the merch, wearing the merch. But it's also sharing
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the content. It's about altering the algorithm. And I'm so
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: excited about the potential of these changes to the algorithm
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: soon that it might mean that we're going to be
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: able to shut out a whole lot of the other nonsense.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And I think this is actually a potentially exciting time
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: for women's sport with that in terms of what's happening
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: on social media. So we've got to get out there.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And all of these blokes who are saying this is
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the backfiring. So... Probably this organisation didn't expect the Sydney
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Sweeney ad to, I'm sure they expected it to get
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: some attention. They probably didn't expect it to have this
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: kick-on effect of profiling what women are doing in the
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: sporting world. These blokes who are upset about our clip
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: about salaries, every time they comment, they keep the clip alive.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: And that's why I'm thinking, If you guys want us
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to shut up, you should probably shut up first.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: You go first. No, you go first. No, you go first.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: It is interesting though, right, and I don't quite understand
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: what will happen with the algorithms if you opt out
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: because I deliberately set my algorithms to give me content
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: around sport with a skewing towards women's sport. Food and
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: wine and travel. That's it, right? And so.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And you do that by only looking at that content?
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I try to.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: It's not a ticker box type thing where you can go,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: here's the menu of stuff I want to see.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: No, but that's the content that I tend to consume
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: and tend to watch. I also watch lots of content
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: of people hurting themselves on, you know... falling off things
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: on video. Kids falling down. I can't help but engage
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: with it because it makes me laugh. It's never not funny.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Australia's Funniest Home Video was the highest ranking show for
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: many years in this country for very good reason.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: But you know what? My husband doesn't like it. He
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: feels uncomfortable. He hates these videos. I sit in bed
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: at night when I'm having my tuna time laughing till
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I cry. Anyway, so that's my algorithm. But if you
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: opt out, then I do worry that like if I
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: opt out of the algorithm, what if I don't see
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: all this great content? What if it doesn't feed me
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: this content? So I did rule my algorithm when I
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: hosted Gladiators. I started to follow all the Gladiators and
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: my algorithm went to CrossFit. I'm like, I don't want
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: to see CrossFit.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: No, that was the greatest thing that ever happened to you.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: That was a really good day of your life.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: And funnily enough, I haven't done a second of CrossFit.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: You're the closest I've come to CrossFit. It is an interesting, yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: it's an interesting thing It's an interesting sort of discussion
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: that's happening around this at the moment. And Jules, your
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: homework is to go and... Find out who Sydney Sweeney
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: is and look at the ad.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been living under a rock.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: And then when you understand what they're selling, can you
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: just maybe tell me on the download, please?
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I was exactly the same. I watched the ad and
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: I watched it all the way through and then I
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: gave the phone back and thought, oh, what was that for?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's what, it's not clear. I had to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: go searching to find out what, and I can't remember
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: what the name of the company is. It starts with
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: N and it has five letters, but I've already lost
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: it having deliberately looked at it several times. But, you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: this is, this, is the time-honoured tradition of advertising, isn't it?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: But I will say Sydney, who is clearly a very
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: smart woman, but I'm going to quote Rory Gilmore to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: you from the Gilmore Girls, who cares if I'm pretty
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: if I fail my finals? But I do have, I
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: know you two are a little bit, you've made light
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: of the fact that you're somewhat out of touch with
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: what's going on on TV. Have you heard of a
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: little movie called Jaws?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Came out a few years ago.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I've heard of it, yes.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Not one of my favourites.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: 49 years ago. So I think it goes past the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: statute of limitations for spoiler alerts here. But I went
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: and saw, this is a quick no dribble recommends, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: went and saw a play in Sydney last week and
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: it's on in Melbourne after this and it's called The
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Shark is Broken and it is set, it is about
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the filming of the movie Jaws and the three characters
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: represent the three characters who are out on the boat there.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss, and the guy who played Quint,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: whose name escapes me at the moment, it's Robert, Robert
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: someone anyway great british actor whose name i've forgotten but
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: anyway so it is about the three of them and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: filming this movie and they spielberg had them out on
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: a boat not in a water tank on on a
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: studio what it was just a thoroughly entertaining 90 minutes
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and i think you know and all of the music
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: that they were playing in the foyer was 70s music
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: so it was all very much Like if you hadn't
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: seen the movie, you would go, I don't understand what
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: this is. It would be like when I made my
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: children watch Evan Almighty and they had no religious education
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: so didn't know the story of Noah's Ark. So it
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: made no sense to them whatsoever. Why is this guy
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: building a boat? And it's like, oh, yeah, I haven't
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: really educated you properly. But if you are of a
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: certain age, The Shark is Broken is a very fun
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: play just Yeah, well worth going to. So that's my
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: notable recommends.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: For the day. Oh, I like it. Do you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I put my kids in, you know, in public schools,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: you have to put your kids in either like scripture
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: or ethics or something, I don't know, reading in the library.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I made my kids do scripture and they were like, no,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: but you don't even go to church. I'm like, yeah,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I know that. And they're like, well, do I have
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: to do scripture? I said, because you need to know
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: all the Bible stories so you know what you're looking
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: at when you go to all the art galleries in Europe.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's culturally relevant.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely culturally, yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: You should know about religions even if you are not
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: a religious person. Now, I said that having been a
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: primary ethics teacher for 11 years, which is obviously the
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: alternative to scripture in New South Wales public schools. So
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: my kids had– they've both gone off to Catholic secondary schools.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: It's like, honey, you're just going to have to– I
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: don't know. Just pay attention. See what you can learn.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Do they have to get hothoused? Come home and tell us.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Do they have to get like Jesus hothoused?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I said to them, look, I can give you
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the Christmas and Easter and that's about where I top
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: out on this. And I can tell you what the
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Good Friday is and the Easter Sunday. No idea what
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the Monday is all about though. Does anyone know?
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: It's day off, isn't it?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought. All right, that's about all
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: we've got time for. There is something very exciting happening
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• 41:57
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• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Never pay retail is my motto.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Never pay retail. Okay, well, that's all we've got time
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: for today. Great episode. Julie Fitzgerald, thank you so much
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: for gracing us with your presence. It's been fun. Will
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you come back on Friday?
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I will.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, great.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a minute and a half from now as
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: we know how things operate in the no dribble world.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: But thanks for joining us. My name's Carolyn Swindell.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I'm Liz Ellis.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: And I'm Julie Fitzgerald.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: She's Julie Fitzgerald.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Bye.