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Chris Katulka: Why Is Israel Losing The PR War? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hey brothers and sisters, thank you so much for tuning in and we've got another exciting
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guest.
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I mean it's hard to believe we haven't talked to this young man.
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I'm older so I can say that for for so long, but it's great to have Chris Katalka back
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with us.
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He's with friends of Israel, gospel ministry.
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It is F-O-I dot or G that's F-O-I dot or G and also you can check out his podcast at the
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Jew actually Jew and Gentile podcast or it's yes, J E W and J G E N T I L E. I almost
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put that up Jew and Gentile podcast.
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There it is, it's dot org and friends of Israel, brother, thank you so much for your time
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today.
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Good to see you again.
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David, great to be back.
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Thank you so much.
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You're welcome.
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So a lot to talk about including this edition of Israel, my glory.
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This is two years ago, this month I came across this and I found the articles that you wrote
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and we're going to I'm going to ask you a little bit about that, but first we've got
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a little serious.
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We haven't seen you in a while.
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We haven't caught up and you have had some health battles and overcoming cancer.
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You're going through treatments right now.
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I would love our viewers and listeners to pray for you, brother.
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So please share a little bit about what's been happening, what you're going through, please.
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Yeah, just a couple of months ago, I found out that I have a colorectal cancer and so
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we caught it very early though when we were praising the Lord for that.
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So the treatments that I'm under, all the doctors are very optimistic about the outcomes
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and tell me I still have a good 40 years in me to go.
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So we're praising the Lord for that, but it did come as a surprise.
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But we're thankful that we caught it early and that and in all of it, we've been just
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using this as an opportunity to just not only for prayer, but really as a testimony to
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the Lord's kindness and faithfulness.
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So everywhere we go, we always share with our doctors and our nurses and the staff.
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That's just been amazing to us here in New Jersey about the goodness of our God and our
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Savior Jesus.
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So that's, that's, you know, God's got a plan for it.
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I don't know what it is, but I'm counting on all good things to work to His glory.
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So.
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Amen, brother.
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Thank you.
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And so friends, please continue to pray for Chris or start if you haven't been.
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It's good to use those situations even when, you know, we, it's a, it's a, it's a shift
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in our thinking when we go to the doctor for something we are struggling or suffering
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with to get out of ourselves and look at the other human being that may not be saved
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and may have an eternal destination if hell in hell if they don't hear the good news
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of Jesus Christ who can save them and use those opportunities.
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I'm trying to be more aware and intentional about those.
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And I think we could all be better at that and pray for God to give us those divine appointments.
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And then the obedience to speak lovingly and truly when we're in those situations.
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So I want to mention real quick at the, at the World View Matters conference we just wrapped
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up a few weeks ago, I met, man, a fiery young woman named, I think is Tiana Lodwick.
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Is that right?
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Tiana, amazing young woman, amazing Adavanterio.
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Yeah, she had a table for Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry at the World View Matters conference
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and she must be in her mid 20s, I'm guessing, but I mean, just the young people that were there,
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there weren't a lot, but the ones that I met her and others just give me such encouragement
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that there are people reaching the younger generation, especially for good causes.
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So I wanted to also mention Israel, my glory and Chris, can people get this
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on the Friends of Israel website?
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Can they sign up for that?
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Yep, they can.
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In fact, they can even just type in IsraelMyGlory.org and they will take you right to a subscribe site.
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If you've never subscribed to our magazine, Israel, my glory, we want to give you a one-year-free
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subscription.
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And so when you subscribe, if you've never done that before, IsraelMyGlory.org, and then
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you'll hit the subscribe button, you can either get a print edition, which is what David's holding
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there, or you can get our digital edition that has more than 50 years of Friends of Israel,
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Israel, my glory content on the website for you to access at your fingertips.
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So again, it's IsraelMyGlory.org.
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Free is good.
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Yeah, friends, check that out.
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So I want to just ask you about two articles that you wrote in here that we were talking
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before we got on the podcast.
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You could have written them a couple of months ago or now, because one of them is called
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cease the ceasefire talks, cease the ceasefire talks, and the other one is Israel's never-ending
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struggle.
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And this was two years ago this month.
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So Chris, I mean, I don't want to be redundant, but you could probably re-release those
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articles.
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I know.
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You know, maybe update a few things, tell us about the both this topic, the never-ending
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struggle.
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And again, we're talking about ceasefires and no ceasefires and go ahead.
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You know, you could almost think of it like this, that article, those articles were written
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two years ago, dealing with the issue of Hamas and Gaza and Hezbollah up in the North.
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And that was a very localized conflict that Israel was dealing with post-October 7th.
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And it's something that's still going on today.
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And ceasefires were the conversations that were being had all the time.
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Israel should enter into a ceasefire, should enter into a ceasefire with Hamas and Hezbollah.
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That's what the Western nations were pushing at that time.
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But see now the conversation is switched away from Hamas and Hezbollah and now it's moved
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up to Iran.
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And we have a very unique situation right now where Israel and America are fighting together.
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It's the first time in Israel's history that Israel and America are fighting side-by-side
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against a common enemy of not only just Israel and America, but I would say a common enemy
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of the world.
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They've been the leading state sponsor of terrorism globally for 47 years.
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And so, you know, now the ceasefire is still a conversation to be had.
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And you know, quite honestly, the question is whether or not the ceasefire is a good
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thing or a bad thing.
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I think Trump is playing the cards right on it.
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But, you know, we're sitting at a point right now where we're having this conversation,
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Trump's in Beijing.
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He's going to be coming home soon.
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And I personally, you know, don't, this isn't anything, any like special revelation
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or anything, but I personally think that they will be going back to war.
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I think this ceasefire will end.
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And I think it's going to, I think the Trump administration and the Israelis want to see
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not just, you know, to make sure that there's no nuclear ambition that's left amongst
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the Iranian leadership, the Islamic regime, but also hopefully hoping that there's an
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actual regime change, which is what the Israelis will hope for.
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So really, this is the big issue with it when it comes to the ceasefire.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, can you, can you trust anything that the leaders in Iran say, can you, yeah,
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ceasefires are not going to last because they have a worldview problem that they want
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to wipe Israel out.
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And it goes back to the land, doesn't it, Chris?
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100 percent.
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Well, it, it goes back to the land, but it also goes back to the Jew and, and even the Christian,
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this is really important.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And, and for the Shia extremists that come out of the Islamic Republic, they have a prophetic
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understanding of what the Quran teaches and the Hadith teaches that, that, that there
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has to be turmoil before the Messiah, their Messiah comes.
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And so when, when, when they create a turmoil, we might look at it and say, well, I hope
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these people ensuing, don't they see what they're doing?
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But for them, they're fulfilling what they believe as God's will.
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And they're willing to endure that themselves, even though 90 percent of their people, this
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is so important for your listeners to know, David, is that 90 percent of Iranians disagree
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with the Islamic regime that rules them.
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So that's, you got two people here.
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You got 10 percent that say yes and 90 percent that say no, but that 10 percent is the one
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with all the weapons and that that 10 percent is the one that runs the government and the,
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and the, and the, and the country right now.
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And so ultimately, that's going to be a big, a big issue because they are the ones who
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want to create this kind of turmoil because that is what they believe as God's will to
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do where the other 90 percent really probably just want peace and many of them love Israel.
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That's the other side, that's such the opposite side of the coin is that they actually have
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a deep devotion to Israel, many of the Iranians love Israel.
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In fact, there's a Benjamin Netanyahu street, that's what Netanyahu said recently in Iran
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because the Iranian people love Benjamin Netanyahu because of what he stands for.
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So anyway, that's the interesting side, two sides of the coin there.
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You've got the leadership that's 10 percent of the country and the 90 percent say we want
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nothing to do with that.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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What a mess.
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It's prophetic, but we'll see how this plays out.
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So over on the Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry Facebook page on May 12th, there's this
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post, there's a meme of showing the land in Israel and it says this, Genesis 13, 15,
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for all the land which you see, I give to you and your descendants forever.
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So Chris Kotalka, did God really mean all the land and did he really mean forever?
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Yeah.
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This is a great question because if you go to one church, you'll say no, that was done
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away with, it was fulfilled in the Old Testament and we're moving on.
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Jesus moves us away.
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I've had Christians, David say to me, after I get done speaking at a church, is God
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really in the real estate business?
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Why do you care about this land so much?
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And I go, actually, he is in the real estate business.
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You know why?
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Because his name, his holy reputation is tied to this land.
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That's why if your listeners are listening, go to Ezekiel, chapter 36 and read it tonight.
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It'll only take a few minutes of your time.
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But what you're going to see is that God's desire was to return his people to his
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the land.
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He says that very boldly, not because Israel deserves it, David.
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That's what he says.
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It's not, I'm not acting because you deserve this.
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It's purely for two reasons.
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One, God's grace and number two, the most important of them all is to uphold his holy
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reputation.
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And some scripture, some translations will say his holy name.
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That's what it actually says there, but by upholding his holy name, a name is a reputation
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as well.
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It's upholding his holy reputation, be the faithful promise keeping God.
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So if God made a promise, his holy name is on the, on the deed of that land.
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He has to fulfill it.
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So this is the reason why this land still matters and this is the reason why these people
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still matter.
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And not only is he promised to return them, he promised to do something even greater
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for them, which is to pour his spirit into them in the future and to give them life.
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That's salvation.
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So again, whenever we talk about Israel, you have to understand something from a biblical
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perspective.
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It's not just the land.
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It's even deeper than that.
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The land is one component.
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The greater component that allows them to stay in the land is that one day they believe
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in the Lord Jesus and that one day his spirit will fill them and they will believe.
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That's the crux of everything.
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Amen, brother.
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So Chris, did your work, we ever worked cut out for us really were, it's an uphill
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battle now because of the propaganda and all the, the left and how they politicized and
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how they funded well-funded protests against Israel and pro-Hamas and using the word Palestine
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playing the victim and saying Israel is the aggressor and it goes on and on and on.
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But it starts at, first of all, it's demonic at its core, but we've seen what happens since
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October, you know, 7, 2023 at the college campus level and throughout our culture.
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But simple question, I think you sent this to me.
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It may have been one of the podcast topics that you talked about.
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And Israel lose the PR war as they continue to fight these battles because we're seeing
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the propaganda out there and people falling for it even in the church in America, which
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is very disappointing.
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Share your thoughts about that.
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Yeah.
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No matter what side Israel takes, they'll always lose the PR war, the public relations war.
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Because this is the way that the, the enemy that they deal with has restructured how they,
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how they understand war.
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You know, after 1967, which is the six day war when Israel really took out many of the
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enemies that were attacking them, surrounding them and wanted to push them into the sea.
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They actually ended up quadrupling the size of the land.
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They took the Sinai from Egypt, the West Bank from Jordan, the Golan Heights from Syria,
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and they ended up expanding their land.
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They didn't ask for this.
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They were attacked.
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And so what happened is the Palestinians and the Arab world got together and they, they
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met in cartoon and they came up with what, what are called the three nose and basically
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the three knows where we're not going to ever recognize Israel.
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We're never going to make peace with Israel.
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Just no, no, no.
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Nothing.
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There's nothing that's going to ever happen.
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But what they learned is they can't defeat Israel in the battlefield.
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They've, they've learned that less than the hard way.
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They learned it in 1948 and 49.
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They learned it in the 50s.
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They learned it in the six day war.
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They learned it once again in 1973 in the, in the Yom Kippur War.
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They just can't defeat them militarily.
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But what they can do is they can beat them on the PR front.
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They will always be in images and pictures.
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They will always be the, the David against the Goliath.
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And so, and Israel is the Goliath now and David are the Palestinians.
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And so no matter how you paint the picture, no matter what you do, the world, especially
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with the culture that we live in today and the technology that we have, all it takes
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is for a picture on your phone to come by, come by on TikTok or Instagram or whatever
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to sway a person's heart away from Israel and toward their enemies.
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And the problem is it's oftentimes those images are full of lies, whether misrepresented
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or they don't really know the heart of the Israeli people who are trying their best to
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protect the Palestinian people, but also even more importantly protect their own people
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that make up both Jews, Arabs, Christians, Muslims, you name it.
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So again, the PR war, it never feels like an opportunity that can be won because whether
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they speak too much about it, they lose or whether they don't say anything about it,
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they lose.
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They're being pushed back and since October 7th, especially since the Hamas war in Gaza,
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they have been losing the PR battle badly, but I don't think that's their intention to
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do that.
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I just think it's always the way the world has seen Israel.
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Agreed with you 100% brother.
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And in a minute, we're going to talk about, I want to ask you, is Israel in lockstep with
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So Chris Katalka, our guest today, friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, F-O-I.org, and
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again, his podcast that covers a whole lot more than what we can get into here, juandjentile.org.
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So Chris, I'm sure Israel is maybe divided in some way or another on whether they support
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President Trump and the decisions he's been making.
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I know they're, we are allies, but you probably don't agree with 100% with everything.
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Yes, shares, your insights on this.
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But you'd be surprised, you know, there's a good saying that if you put two rabbis in
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a room, you'll leave with three different opinions, okay?
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That's a clad thing among the Jewish people and Israeli politics is no different.
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You know, there are more than a dozen political parties.
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You know, we in America have three and one of them is nothing, the independent party.
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You got Democrats, Republicans, and then the independent party.
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And occasionally you have others, but they don't stand a chance.
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It's usually a Democrat or a Republican.
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In Israel, there are dozens of parties that are vying for their spot in Israel's parliament,
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the Knesset.
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And so you can imagine if it's two rabbis, leave with three opinions, what about a dozen
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plus parties, okay?
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So this is a real, you know, the thing that actually binds Israelis together, you'd be
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so surprised by this is that they argue about everything, just like we do.
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But they, a lot of them, the vast majority of them support the Donald Trump, they do.
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They support his, his support for Israel and the Jewish people that they get behind the
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fact that they know if anybody knows that Iran is a threat, it's Israel because they
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look with it.
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They're in the neighborhood.
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So when a president doesn't just capitulate to making policy agreements and sending the
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money like like Barack Obama did, you know, but actually puts up real words that he gets
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behind and then attacks their nuclear facilities and says there will be no nuclear weapons.
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And then partners with Israel and this endeavor, you have to imagine for the Israeli people
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who all across the spectrum know that Iran is the problem that needs to be dealt with
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because they live with it daily.
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This is something that they get behind.
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So there's a great support for Israel, for Donald Trump and for America in Israel across
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the political spectrum.
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But I will say on the chopping block in Israel is not Donald Trump.
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It's actually Benjamin Netanyahu and elections elections are coming up in October for the
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Israeli people and parties are forming right now parties are beginning to collide with
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one another to build a coalition that's not necessarily about producing anything other
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than ousting Benjamin Netanyahu, which could very well be the case that you might see
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the longest serving Israeli Prime Minister lose his seat once again the same way he lost
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it last time.
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The only way to unseat Netanyahu in Israel is to form parties for parties to coalesce
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together and to combine in order to push him out.
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And that's what we're seeing right now with two major Israeli political leaders, Neftali
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Bennett and Ya'ir Lapid to opposing, it'd be like a Democrat and a Republican getting
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together to push out sitting president.
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That's what's going on right now.
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Yeah, the enemy of my enemy is my friend is that the saying, so Chris, I know you're
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not a prophet, but speculation, what do you sense may happen in October with Netanyahu?
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It's 50, 50 still because even with the combined party that they formed, it's called Bayakhad,
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which is together.
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So the Bayakhad party, which is this combination party of these two political leaders, even
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with them together, Netanyahu has lost some, some, some seats, but he still has a lot
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of power with his party, which is called the Lakoud party.
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And so he still is in the race.
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It's not as if, you know, there's still time as well before the election.
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So anything can happen, anything politically can happen, anything geopolitically could happen.
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And the Iran war, this is a big deal because if they unseat Netanyahu, Netanyahu was the
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prime minister during October 7th, Netanyahu was the one who was leading during the Hamas
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war, Netanyahu was the one with Hezbollah, the war against Hezbollah, and now the war against
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Iran in partnership with America.
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So if you unseat him, now you're moving into a completely different administration and
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how they'll handle these issues.
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I don't know what that looks like, but speculation wise, I say, I know this isn't what you want
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to hear, but 50, 50.
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And this is exactly what happened several years ago when Netanyahu lost the seat.
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But Netanyahu's name is very popular in Israel still.
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Okay.
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Well, that's good.
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And Chris, a 50, 50 answer is safe.
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So you didn't go out on a limb either way.
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So we're not going to polymarket for this one.
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Okay.
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We're not going to play.
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So let me ask you this.
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We talked about, does Israel support Trump?
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What about the church and or the world and generally their support of Israel?
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So I think of Genesis 12, 3 and you can quote that again if you'd like, but is the world
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obligated or is the church you read the Bible?
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Are we obligated to bless Israel even in unbelief, a secular nation?
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I think the October 7th and the aftermath of the war has raised a lot of questions
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among evangelical Christians as to whether or not they would consider themselves Christian
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or biblical Zionists.
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And I want to challenge that idea that, you know, because they'll say, well, Israel's
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not even in a belief yet.
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They don't even believe in Jesus.
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So why do I have to support this secular state?
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Well, you know, if you actually go back in the Bible, there are moments where Israel is
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in total disobedience to God.
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And yet Genesis 12, 3, the theme of Genesis 12, 3 still shines through.
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So you know, you get to the Moab account in numbers, chapter 23, 24, 25, where Israel
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is coming to Moab and Baylik, the king of Moab, hires Baylam to come and curse Israel.
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And then now remember, Israel has been in disobedience along the way.
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You know, as they're not even in the land of Israel yet, and they would even commit
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acts of sexual immorality in the next chapter after that.
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So we're dealing with a disobedient people.
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And yet Baylam gets up to curse Israel.
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He's paged to curse Israel.
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And what does he say?
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How can I bless, you know, how can I curse what God has, you know, called me to bless?
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How can I, how can I do anything but bless these people that God has called us to bless?
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The entire time, the multiple times that Baylik called on Baylam to curse Israel every
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time he opened his mouth, a blessing came out.
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Why?
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Genesis 12, 3.
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Another moment is when the Israelites, the Jewish people returning from Persia back to Israel
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under the leadership of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Zerubbable, you know, you have to imagine.
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Number one, it's a Gentile who gives them permission to go home.
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And then they go get back and what are they doing?
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They're not doing the things that God had called them to do.
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They were still acting in disobedience.
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That's why Ezra had to come in and correct them spiritually.
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And so again, you, you have this, this, this moment where is God through with his people?
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No, he continues to use them.
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He continues to bless them even in the midst of their disobedience.
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So to me, and again, finally, in Romans chapter 11, verses 28 and 29, it talks about the
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fact that as, as they're, as Paul is speaking about his people, he says his people, they,
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they are enemies of the gospel.
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He says he uses very harsh words against the Jewish people.
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They're enemies of the gospel.
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But when it comes to election, they are beloved by God.
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Why?
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Because of the fathers, because of the forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.
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So even in their disobedience, what is Paul saying?
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Don't be arrogant against Israel and the Jewish people.
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Don't be boastful against them, but understand that they have been chosen by God and that
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God's not done with them yet.
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So do we get a chance, are we called to curse Israel because they're in a moment of disobedient?
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No, we're actually called to bless them even in the midst of their disobedience.
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And you see that in the Old Testament and you see that in the New Testament as well.
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Great answer.
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Thank you, Chris.
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I just want to say, even whether they're in belief or unbelief, zoom out everybody
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and take a wide angle view of the world, pick out any people group other than Israel or any
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nation.
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And if that people group was attacked or a nation was attacked as often or as viciously
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as Israel, wouldn't you say, well, yeah, they have a right to defend themselves and we
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should support them because they don't deserve.
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But no, it's just really amazing, which really I think underscores the spiritual dimension
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to all this.
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It really is the spiritual at its core and what's happening, you know, it is spiritual warfare
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just to some degree.
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I want to ask you the website for this one more time for Israel, my glory.
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Israel, my glory magazine is again, Israel, my glory dot org.
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Get your one free one year free subscription print or digital your option by subscribing
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there.
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Great.
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Israel, my glory dot org.
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I just want to make sure people go a lot of people are probably going to go subscribe
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to that if they haven't already.
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And then of course, F O I dot org friends of Israel, Chris, we continue, we will be talking
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about this forever until either, you know, Jesus returns or takes us home, important issues.
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So in the last minute, just encourage our viewers and listeners with whatever you'd like
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to share.
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Yeah, you know, I would encourage you to not only pray for Israel and the Jewish people,
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but there's ways that you can get involved.
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And I hope that you go to F O I dot org because we were talking about Tiana earlier, David,
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but Tiana, she took our courses that were free called bridges.
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So if you go to our website, you'll find our bridges course, which is just a free nine
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week course for Christians to get trained on how to minister to their Jewish friends
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to show love and support to bless them.
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It's free.
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It's online.
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And it's people from all around the world who are joining in to do this.
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And so please learn like Tiana did and now she's an advocate for Israel and a supporter
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and also a colleague with me at the Friends of Israel shout out to Tiana.
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If you're watching and listening, hey, so I don't want to put you on the spot.
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Is that under resources or where would that be?
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Yeah, if you go to our page, there's a section there called resources and then teaching
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and there's opportunities that are all there.
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You'll see bridges are online classes, F O I equip, and many other ways to get involved.
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Awesome.
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All right, brother, thank you again for your time.
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We'll do this again.
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Hopefully soon.
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Excellent.
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Thank you.
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All right, Chris Katalka.
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Friends, thank you so much for sharing the podcast.
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God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.