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Credlin | 2 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program Big week Ahead. He's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Kredline as the Coalition starts
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Speaker 2: to debate net zero and whether or not we should
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Speaker 2: follow the rest of the world and dump it Labours
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen wants us to go even harder and faster,
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Speaker 2: and over the weekend he refused to even rule out
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Speaker 2: imposing a carbon tariff. It's hard not to be reminded
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Speaker 2: of Peter Garrett's infamous line, isn't it once we get in?
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Speaker 2: He said, we'll just change it all? Is this for
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Speaker 2: Australia is now headed tonight to Queensland's brave doctor Gillian Spencer,
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Speaker 2: who's now been told she's banned from even going to
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Speaker 2: work all because she spoke out against the news of
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Speaker 2: puberty blockers and gender affirming care on children overseas. Though
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Speaker 2: it's these treatments being banned, not doctors like doctor Gillian.
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Speaker 2: She's going to join me tonight. She's been put through
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Speaker 2: the ringer, but she says she will.
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Speaker 3: Not back down.
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Speaker 2: Last the new look Senate, with the one nation passing
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Speaker 2: expectations picking up another two seats in the Senate at
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Speaker 2: the expense of the coalition in the United States rightly
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Speaker 2: calls for Australia to properly fund out offense force and
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Speaker 2: not to expect America to do the heavy lifting. Now,
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Speaker 2: of course we should, but we also should have a
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Speaker 2: defense minister and a Prime Minister who are on the
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Speaker 2: same page.
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Speaker 1: Other countries must contribute to this balance as well, and
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Speaker 1: that includes Australia.
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Speaker 4: What we'll do is we'll determine our defense policy.
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Speaker 2: You can understand, can't you why Anthony Oweneasy is in
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Speaker 2: no hurry to catch up with Donald Trump because the
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Speaker 2: premium on our United States defense insurance policy is about
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Speaker 2: to go up a lot. For years, it's been obvious
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Speaker 2: that business as usual cannot continue. For years, it's been
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Speaker 2: obvious that we and the rest of the Western Alliance
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Speaker 2: and demanding more and more of the United States while
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Speaker 2: doing less and less ourselves. And we don't spend as
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Speaker 2: we should, we don't recruit as we should, we don't
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Speaker 2: build as we should, and we don't deploy.
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Speaker 3: As we should.
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Speaker 2: And that's despite the lectures for ministers on both sides
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Speaker 2: of the political fence that say these are the most
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Speaker 2: perilous strategic times since the late nineteen thirties.
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Speaker 1: The world now faces new and increasingly complex strategic challenges,
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Speaker 1: ever more uncertain and unpredictable. The global architecture that provided
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Speaker 1: a foundation for strategic de terrence and assurance has fallen
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Speaker 1: into dangerous decline.
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Speaker 2: This is just empty rectorc from our Defense minister. We've
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Speaker 2: done next to nothing to meet this challenge in Australia
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Speaker 2: other than the Orchest submarines. It'll turn up in a
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Speaker 2: decade if we are lucky, but right now we must
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Speaker 2: pack more military punch to head off conflict rather than
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Speaker 2: just sit here and talk and wish it away. In fact,
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Speaker 2: under the Albanezer government, orders for more armored vehicles and
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Speaker 2: more planes have been cut. At least one of our
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Speaker 2: frigates has been prematurely retired, and our mind sweeping capability
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Speaker 2: is about to be lost as the money too needed
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Speaker 2: for defense has been reallocated to partly fund the submarines
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Speaker 2: that are at least a decade away. Even labor icon
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Speaker 2: Kim Beasley has said we must increase our defense spending
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Speaker 2: from to three percent of GDP and do it fast,
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Speaker 2: and let's not try and claim ignorance here either. Let's
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Speaker 2: not pretend we haven't been warned, because the signals have
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Speaker 2: been coming thick and fast from Washington that the United
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Speaker 2: States expects more of us and from all of its
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Speaker 2: allies in just in case we didn't hear it clearly
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Speaker 2: enough for we want to keep burying our head in
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Speaker 2: the sand.
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Speaker 3: This is the US.
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Speaker 2: Defense Secretary Pete hegskith at Singapore's Shangri Lad Dialogue over
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Speaker 2: the weekend.
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Speaker 5: China seeks to become a hegemonic power in Asia, no doubt,
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Speaker 5: it hopes to dominate and control too many parts of
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Speaker 5: this vibrant and vital region. There's no reason to sugarcoat it.
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Speaker 5: The threat China poses is real and it could be eminent.
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Speaker 5: We hope not, but it certainly.
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Speaker 6: Could be.
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Speaker 3: As well.
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Speaker 2: In a meeting with our Defense Minister Richard Miles, Hegsas
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Speaker 2: said that America expected Australia to lift a defense spending
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Speaker 2: to three point five percent of GDP as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 3: Down Miles.
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Speaker 2: He's a nice guy, he nods and smiles well, he
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Speaker 2: was publicly receptive, but that was all quickly slapped down
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Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: What oil does well determine our defense policy, and we
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Speaker 4: have invested just across the Ford. It's an additional ten
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Speaker 4: billion dollars in defense. What will do is continue to
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Speaker 4: provide for investing in our capability but also investing in
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Speaker 4: our relationships in the region.
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Speaker 2: The PM's right to say there's actual capability that matters,
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Speaker 2: not simply the quantum of the cash.
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Speaker 3: But the blunt truth is that we are.
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Speaker 2: No longer in charge of a military that's fit for purpose.
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Speaker 2: And Labour's planned increase the defense bending to just two
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Speaker 2: point four percent of GDP. It's glacial and nowhere near
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Speaker 2: enough for the likely trouble ahead. The inability of our
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Speaker 2: navy to shadow the recent Chinese Davil Task Force it
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Speaker 2: circumnavigated Australia apparently because we had no refueling ships currently available,
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Speaker 2: should have been yet another wake up call.
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Speaker 3: Yet it wasn't. Pretty much.
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Speaker 2: All Labor had to say here is that China should
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Speaker 2: just be a little bit more polite when they come
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Speaker 2: into our waters. And also in relation to their live
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Speaker 2: shooting of weapons off our coast.
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Speaker 1: You know, we would like to have a greater transparency
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Speaker 1: in what China is seeking to do in not only
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Speaker 1: his build up but in the exercises that it undertakes.
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Speaker 1: But you know, none of that is new, and that's
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Speaker 1: an environment that we've been working with for some time. Now,
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Speaker 1: give me the broke.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to avoid the suspicion that the Albanezer governments
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Speaker 2: deliberately running down our armed forces just so it can
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Speaker 2: refuse the next US request for military help, just like
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Speaker 2: it refused the one to eighty months or so ago
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Speaker 2: to send a frigate to the Red Sea. With the
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Speaker 2: worry that China is about to move on Taiwan, if
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Speaker 2: ast speculated as early as twenty twenty seven, is this
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Speaker 2: about Albanezi making sure that we can't help even if
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Speaker 2: the US calls upon us. Andrew Haste has repeatedly reminded us,
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Speaker 2: hasn't he, just like the late great Jim mool And
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Speaker 2: did before him, that weakness is provocative. The first duty
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Speaker 2: of any government is national defense. That's the number one duty.
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Speaker 2: Keep your citizens safe. But for decades we've relied on
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Speaker 2: the Americans to do all the heavy lifting. And we're
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Speaker 2: going to have to do more for ourselves, and more
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Speaker 2: of our main and more for our main ally if
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Speaker 2: we are not to be left alone in a very
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Speaker 2: dangerous world otherwise.
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Speaker 3: Let's be honest here.
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Speaker 2: The alternative is to become a submissive economic colony of
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Speaker 2: communist China. Maybe that's just why Petty Wong and the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and all these hard left labor types really want.
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Speaker 2: And look, the energy train wreck under this government is
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Speaker 2: just getting worse today.
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Speaker 3: More on gas.
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Speaker 2: If, and it's a big if. The government's plan increased
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Speaker 2: from the current forty percent of our power from renewables
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Speaker 2: to eighty two percent in just five years, is ever
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Speaker 2: going to work. We desperately need more gas. Gas is
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Speaker 2: the only way to keep the lights on when the
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Speaker 2: sun drops, or the wind drops, or the sun disappears
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Speaker 2: in a largely renewable's powered grid. Now, we have a
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Speaker 2: super abundance of gas in this country, not a shortage
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Speaker 2: that's a supply constraint. We have plenty of gas like
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Speaker 2: the Narrabi gas field that could supply half of the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales state's domestic needs. But it's still tangled
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Speaker 2: up in a whole lot of green tape. And it
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Speaker 2: has been like that for a decade. Now, this madness
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Speaker 2: in Victoria with a labor government there wants to import
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Speaker 2: gas via an expensive new terminal rather than develop the
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Speaker 2: gas that's sitting in abundance in the ground in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot make this stuff up. Imported gas
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Speaker 2: is more expensive naturally, the energy is required to take
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Speaker 2: the gas, liquefy it, transport it.
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Speaker 3: That'll lift our emissions, won't it.
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Speaker 2: And then you move it around the country, you take
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Speaker 2: it to the terminal, import, you liquify it again, you
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Speaker 2: transport it, you unload it, turn it back into gas,
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Speaker 2: and you use it.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: To do all of that, you have spent billions and
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Speaker 2: billions and billions more than if you just got your
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Speaker 2: own gas in your own.
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Speaker 3: State out of the ground.
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Speaker 2: Now one of the other states are calling out federal labors,
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Speaker 2: saying we're already stuck with higher prices just to cover
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Speaker 2: the costs of a new import gas terminal in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: But if you think that's crazy in a waste of money,
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Speaker 2: just wait for what's coming next. As we start to
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Speaker 2: telling up the true cost of all the infrastructure required
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Speaker 2: for the government so called energy transition. Today, experts have
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Speaker 2: warned that the cost of all new poles and wires
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Speaker 2: just for Victoria's transition alone is more likely to be
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Speaker 2: twenty billion, not the four billion in state Labour's plan. Now,
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Speaker 2: just to put this into perspective, you know what twenty
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Speaker 2: billion will buy you. That's the cost of ten new
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Speaker 2: state of the art hospitals.
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Speaker 3: Twenty billion would.
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Speaker 2: Fix almost every pothole every major road in Victoria and
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Speaker 2: then some. It's more than half what we spend on
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Speaker 2: medicare around the country. Yesterday too, we had the nonsense
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Speaker 2: of Energy Minister Chris Bowen saying that you know, I
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Speaker 2: won't rule out or we've got to have on the
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Speaker 2: table green tariffs in order to force a transition to
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Speaker 2: so called green steel.
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Speaker 7: I know you've been looking at the option of Australia
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Speaker 7: imposing a carbon tariff or a carbon border adjustment mechanism
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Speaker 7: as the Europeans are looking at is what's you thinking
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Speaker 7: on that at the moment.
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Speaker 8: Well, we've been again clear that we want to ensure
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Speaker 8: Australian industry it's best place to compete in a decarbonizing world.
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Speaker 8: As you know, I commissioned Professor Frank Yotso last year
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Speaker 8: to advise the government. He's made public consultation papers. Those
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Speaker 8: papers make clear he thinks the settings are right in
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Speaker 8: the short term, but there are things we can think
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Speaker 8: about in the medium to long term and obviously that's
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Speaker 8: something I'll continue to progress this term with my cabinet colleagues.
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Speaker 2: Now that nonsense prompted this response from the new Energy
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Speaker 2: Shadow Minister Dantean.
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Speaker 9: Before the election, Chris Bowen, this arrogant minister said nothing
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Speaker 9: about carbon tariffs and yet here he is immediately after
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Speaker 9: the election talking about putting them in place.
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Speaker 2: Also yesterday Chris bow and flayed a possible gas reservation
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Speaker 2: policy to keep Australian gas in Australia.
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Speaker 8: We've there are a number of policies that are up
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Speaker 8: for review. It's about you know that they're coming to
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Speaker 8: their review time and the gas mechanism, the gas Code etc.
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Speaker 8: We'll look at those and see what more can be done.
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Speaker 8: But let's be clear, we've not only thought that Australian
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Speaker 8: gas should be produced, should be provided to Australian industry
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Speaker 8: and Australian households. We've acted on it.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: If you think this sounds a bit familiar, are You'd
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Speaker 2: be right because this is pretty much the same policy
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Speaker 2: from the Coalition that the government rubbished during the election.
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Speaker 10: Does it open up a discussion for bigger reform such
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Speaker 10: as raising the GST indexing tax brackets, or even the
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Speaker 10: Coalitions gas reserve policy on the East Coast.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think firstly the coalition's policy was a joke.
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Speaker 1: We took to the Australian people a set of propositions.
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Speaker 1: That's what we will seek to carry out. We're not
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Speaker 1: about to change things because of the number of labor
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Speaker 1: MPs that were elected.
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Speaker 2: Not much of a joke. Now, this is all a
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Speaker 2: monumental myths or because our government, state and federal have
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Speaker 2: been running the electricity system on both sides of politics
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Speaker 2: to reduce emissions rather than produce affordable and reliable power.
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Speaker 2: And this is precisely white. We must have in this
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Speaker 2: country an honest and open debate about net zero. Let's
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Speaker 2: get our headlines joining me now. Sky News political reporter
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Speaker 2: Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 11: Labour's proposed superannuation tax is expected to impact more Australians
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Speaker 11: than the Green's alternative plan. The government is doubling the
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Speaker 11: tax on earnings for balances more than three million dollars.
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Speaker 11: New analysis by the Financial Review suggests one point two
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Speaker 11: million taxpayers could be impacted in thirty years time. The
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Speaker 11: Greens are calling for a two million dollar threshold, but
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Speaker 11: support indexing it to inflation. This will reduce the number
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Speaker 11: of people captured in the longer term.
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Speaker 12: There aren't many Australians in the suburbs and regions who
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Speaker 12: think that the generous tax treatment that's given to Australians
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Speaker 12: on three hundred and eighty thousand dollars in order to
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Speaker 12: support them building up towards a dignified retirement balance, this
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Speaker 12: should be afforded to people with an account that's over
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Speaker 12: three million dollars.
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Speaker 11: National's leader David Lidlprout claims Labour's proposed supertax could destroy farmers.
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Speaker 11: The coalition is pledging to fight it. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: is resisting a direct request from the United States to
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Speaker 11: lift defense spending to three and a half percent of GDP. Currently,
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Speaker 11: the government's defense spending is projected to reach two point
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Speaker 11: three to three percent of GDP by twenty thirty four.
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Speaker 11: The United States Defense Secretary is warning China is potentially
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Speaker 11: preparing to use its military to change the balance of
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Speaker 11: power in the Indo Pacific. Beijing says the US is
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Speaker 11: making baseless claims.
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Speaker 4: What you should do in defense has decide what you need,
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Speaker 4: your capability and then provide for it.
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Speaker 11: Anthony Abernezi is set to meet Donald Trump in person
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Speaker 11: for the first time later this month.
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Speaker 2: Right planning to get across. Now, let's bring in a
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Speaker 2: Sky News political editor Andrew Clannell. A bit of a
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Speaker 2: swap tonight. What to Christian woman tomorrow? Like you Andrew
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Speaker 2: in the hot seat? And of course I think the
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Speaker 2: market almost responds. We've got some breaking news this afternoon,
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Speaker 2: Derinda Cox as she joined the Prime Minister during a
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Speaker 2: press conference in Perth. She was, of course a Labor
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Speaker 2: Senator up until a moment ago when she announced her
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Speaker 2: resignation and she's joining Labor.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen today.
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Speaker 2: I'm resil from the Australian Greens to join the Labor
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Speaker 2: Party to sit as a Labor Senator as part of
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government.
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Speaker 3: It is not a decision I've taken lightly.
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Speaker 4: As Senator Cox has just said she wants to be
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Speaker 4: part of a team that's delivering progress for this country.
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Speaker 2: Now, she might have at one time been a Labor
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Speaker 2: Party member, but she stood as a candidate a number
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Speaker 2: of times for the Greens and then they had a
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Speaker 2: casual vacancy. They moved her into the Senate and she's
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Speaker 2: been re elected as a Green Senator, not so anymore.
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Speaker 2: She's also been pretty controversial, hasn't Gandrew in terms of
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Speaker 2: allegations of bullying in her office and the other things.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of this?
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Speaker 13: Well, it's certainly unexpected, isn't it. And it brings the
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Speaker 13: Green Senate numbers from eleven to ten I believe, and
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Speaker 13: Labor's now up to twenty eight. I guess I need
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Speaker 13: thirty six. They still probably need the Greens. That's just
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Speaker 13: how it works because you've got one nation there and
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Speaker 13: there wouldn't be many times a coalition and Greens vote together, really,
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Speaker 13: or you could get one nation and all the independence.
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Speaker 13: But it's getting them closer to the thirty six thirty
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Speaker 13: eight that they sort of need. I think what's happened
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Speaker 13: here is she's approached Labor. She's approached and spoken to
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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister's office. They've done the due diligence on
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Speaker 13: the bullying allegations. They believe that there's not enough there
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Speaker 13: to sort of prevent this sort of thing occurring. We
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Speaker 13: need to look at the timing of this. It's been
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Speaker 13: in the past couple of weeks. There were talks about
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Speaker 13: it while the Prime Minister was away with the Pope etc.
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Speaker 13: So that's around the time that they made Larissa Waters leader.
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Speaker 13: Now I haven't spoken to the Greens or anyone in
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Speaker 13: there on their theories on this, but the view in
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Speaker 13: the Labor Party at least is she got a bit
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Speaker 13: fed up with what she saw as the extremism of
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Speaker 13: Marine Feruki and the like. Rachel see where the former
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Speaker 13: environmentalist in Wa is the one who originally recruited her.
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Speaker 13: As you say, she was a Labor branch member, initially
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Speaker 13: an Indigenous police officer, apparently with a decent reputation in
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Speaker 13: the police and a reasonable amount of seniority, but went
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Speaker 13: to the Greens. But she's obviously had enough of the Greens.
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Speaker 13: I mean, people will be saying, no doubt though it's
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Speaker 13: because of these bullying allegations etc. The Labor Party and
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Speaker 13: Derenda Cox will say, well that was all cleared up
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Speaker 13: and that was part of the sort of issues that
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Speaker 13: she had with the Greens Party. Always a big test though,
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Speaker 13: isn't it. I remember Eryl Kerno, admittedly a bit different.
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Speaker 13: She was a leader of the Democrats. She had some
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Speaker 13: trouble with the Labor Party and the discipline that's required
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Speaker 13: in there. It's a bit of an adjustment to go
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Speaker 13: from the Greens to the Labor Party. We haven't really
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Speaker 13: seen it. We've seen it go the other way. We've
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Speaker 13: had them a payment and there's a view in Labor
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Speaker 13: that this sort of corrects what occurred there.
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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see. It'll be interesting though.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to see one less Green in the Parliament,
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Speaker 2: so at least that much I will cheer on. We've
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Speaker 2: got an update to acround the country in Wa and
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Speaker 2: New South Wales. We've got an extra senator there in
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Speaker 2: both places for one nation. They look like pretty much
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Speaker 2: to me that they've come off the back of the coalition,
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Speaker 2: so it's taken off the coalitions tally.
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Speaker 3: This is interesting.
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Speaker 2: What can you read into this in terms of one
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Speaker 2: nation and the result out of the May election.
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Speaker 13: Well, I do find it interesting because I don't think
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Speaker 13: they've had this sort of number before. They might have
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Speaker 13: had three before when Pauline the Hansen was a big
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Speaker 13: deal at the turn of the century. I'm surprised by this.
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Speaker 13: But these are the people who support Donald Trump. There's
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Speaker 13: probably ten percent of them who do. In Australia, I
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Speaker 13: think who were voting this way. And during the campaign
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Speaker 13: I always said this was Peter Dutton's problem. He needed
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Speaker 13: to attract liberals who loved Trump and liberals who hated Trump.
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Speaker 13: But the government's view on this one is really they've
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Speaker 13: got pretty lucky with the preference flows, etc. It is astonishing.
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Speaker 13: You wouldn't say Pauline Hansen is at the top of
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Speaker 13: her game or popularity. They used to have Mark Latham,
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Speaker 13: he's left the party. There was a feeling then they
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Speaker 13: might be in decline, but it seems that's not the case.
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Speaker 13: And there is a view that the strategic brain of
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Speaker 13: James Ashby, who works with Pauline Hanson, is a help
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Speaker 13: in these kind of wins or what they've been able
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Speaker 13: to do. We saw a dissatisfaction with both parties that's
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Speaker 13: manifested itself with this vote.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Labour's planned tax on unrealized gains.
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Speaker 3: A lot of angst.
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Speaker 2: Out there, the campaign is growing. Interestingly, the Greens have
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Speaker 2: put their proposal on the table. Yes, they want to
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Speaker 2: lie with the threshold from Labour's three million to two millions,
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Speaker 2: so they'll hit a lot more account But unlike Labor
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Speaker 2: they want this indexed so that over time it's not
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Speaker 2: capturing the very people that you want to be aspirational
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Speaker 2: to put money away. And super Dan Malino, he's the
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Speaker 2: new Assistant Treasurer, he has been forced to concede that
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Speaker 2: while the tax now takes in about eighty thousand people,
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Speaker 2: it'll grow over time to take in one point two
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Speaker 2: million or more. I tell you it's so worry when
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Speaker 2: the Greens can understand how bracket creep works but not Labor.
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Speaker 13: And this I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but
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Speaker 13: this was the Green's position pre election. Post election, the
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Speaker 13: utterances of Larissa Waters, the new leader, and David Schubridge
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Speaker 13: have indicated that they'll go with the three million. And
20:39
Speaker 13: my understanding is the government isn't for turning on the
20:42
Speaker 13: unrealized gains despite all the heat noise around it. So
20:46
Speaker 13: I think we could be stuck with this one. I
20:48
Speaker 13: think it'll get through. It's something for the opposition to
20:50
Speaker 13: work with, certainly when they're in a dire position when
20:54
Speaker 13: Parliament resumes in late July. But I don't see the
20:57
Speaker 13: Labor Party for turning on this one. We're able to
21:00
Speaker 13: reveal on the weekend I interviewed Amanda Rishworth that federal
21:04
Speaker 13: politicians will pay it later. People on defined benefits will
21:07
Speaker 13: pay it later. And that means it's not the same
21:12
Speaker 13: for everyone because the very nature of unrealized gains is there.
21:18
Speaker 13: You don't have the money yet, you still have to
21:20
Speaker 13: pay the tax. But if you're still working in defined
21:23
Speaker 13: benefits like the Prime Minister is, you won't have to
21:25
Speaker 13: worry about it until you sort of realize the gains.
21:30
Speaker 2: And let's not forget it's just the politicians. I don't
21:32
Speaker 2: went off and talk about the politicians in the scheme
21:33
Speaker 2: that was pre two thousand and five, but that also
21:37
Speaker 2: is a huge cohort of senior public servants and others.
21:40
Speaker 2: It's not just the police they're dying out the public
21:43
Speaker 2: servants there. There's plenty of them around that will be
21:46
Speaker 2: exempted from this as well. Andrew, thank you. Well, let's
21:49
Speaker 2: go to the Changrila, Singapore was where it was held.
21:54
Speaker 2: It was the Shangrilar Dialogue. This is the big Asian
21:57
Speaker 2: security summit. Over the weekend, a whole lot of defense
22:00
Speaker 2: from around the world turn up and that discussed a
22:03
Speaker 2: lot of the key global issues. This was where of
22:05
Speaker 2: course US Defense Secretary Pete Hegsath urged us to lift
22:10
Speaker 2: our defense spending to three point five percent of GDP.
22:13
Speaker 2: He says, as soon as possible.
22:16
Speaker 5: Needle members are pledging to spend five percent of their
22:20
Speaker 5: GDP on defense, even Germany, so it doesn't make sense
22:24
Speaker 5: for countries in Europe to do that while key allies
22:27
Speaker 5: in Asia spend less on defense in the face of
22:31
Speaker 5: an even more formidable threat.
22:35
Speaker 2: Peter Jennings joins me now, Director of Strategic Analysis Australia,
22:38
Speaker 2: and I would suspect Peter Jennings, you'll correct me, someone
22:42
Speaker 2: who spent plenty of time at the Shangri La dialogue
22:44
Speaker 2: in the past. Interestingly, you know Richard Miles was all
22:49
Speaker 2: sort of tea and sympathy when he was over there
22:51
Speaker 2: with Hegsath in Singapore. You get back to Australia, though,
22:56
Speaker 2: and the leader shuts him down. The Prime Minister says,
22:59
Speaker 2: when not in interested in this at all. He's crowing
23:02
Speaker 2: about his two point four percent of GDP as spend.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 1: We cannot leave it to the United States alone. Other
23:12
Speaker 1: countries must contribute to this balance as well, and that
23:15
Speaker 1: includes Australia.
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Speaker 4: What we'll do is we'll determine our defense policy and
23:19
Speaker 4: we've invested just across the fall. It's an additional ten
23:24
Speaker 4: billion dollars in defense.
23:27
Speaker 3: Okay, Peter, you're the expert here.
23:29
Speaker 2: Help people at home to understand if we're going to
23:31
Speaker 2: spend two point four the US says, no, it's really
23:34
Speaker 2: going to be three point five. Why is the increase
23:38
Speaker 2: so important?
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Speaker 14: Well, for start, the two point four percent that the
23:44
Speaker 14: Prime Minister talks about only really clicks in in about
23:47
Speaker 14: eight years time, and we're seeing virtually minimal change in
23:53
Speaker 14: this term of government from the projections which were actually
23:57
Speaker 14: set for defense in the twenty sixteen White Paper that
24:00
Speaker 14: was written over a decade ago. It doesn't fit the
24:03
Speaker 14: strategic circumstances that we now face of conflict in Europe
24:08
Speaker 14: and the Middle East and a much greater risk of
24:10
Speaker 14: conflict in the Asia Pacific region. The three and a
24:14
Speaker 14: half percent figure that Pete Hegseth talks about, I think,
24:17
Speaker 14: as a mark, Peter rov roughly where American defense spending
24:21
Speaker 14: is these days, and we're so far back from that, really,
24:25
Speaker 14: because we've been writing on American security coattails for the
24:29
Speaker 14: better part of twenty or thirty years. During the Cold War,
24:33
Speaker 14: we were spending between three to three and a half
24:36
Speaker 14: percent of defense over that period of time, and it's
24:43
Speaker 14: fallen very significantly since then. So really this is a
24:46
Speaker 14: warning from our closest ourlights. So we've got to get
24:49
Speaker 14: our act in order. I'm sad that it's had to
24:52
Speaker 14: be this way. I'm sad that Australian governments haven't seen
24:55
Speaker 14: their own way to concluding that we need to spend
24:58
Speaker 14: more on defense. From Pitt, Hexth's timely and we really
25:02
Speaker 14: should be paying attention to it.
25:06
Speaker 2: And when he says it's got to happen now, sooner
25:08
Speaker 2: rather than later, and you make the point the PM's
25:09
Speaker 2: looking at the two point three to two point four.
25:12
Speaker 3: Eight years to a decade away.
25:14
Speaker 2: It's all of course built around China and this concern
25:19
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty seven is a magic date for so
25:21
Speaker 2: many defense analysts that they will move on Taiwan. Hexath
25:27
Speaker 2: makes this absolutely brutally clear on the weekend.
25:29
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
25:31
Speaker 5: Any attempt by communists China to conquer Taiwan by force
25:36
Speaker 5: would result in devastating consequences for the Indo Pacific and
25:39
Speaker 5: the world. There's no reason to sugarcoat it. The threat
25:43
Speaker 5: China poses is real and it could be eminent. We
25:46
Speaker 5: hope not, but it certainly could be.
25:51
Speaker 2: Do you think with Hexath and Trump and the planes
25:54
Speaker 2: speaking that they're copying now from the United States, that
25:56
Speaker 2: this might cause China to rethink?
25:59
Speaker 3: Or do you think She's age.
26:02
Speaker 2: And his determination to do this, to do the whole
26:06
Speaker 2: reunification pieces he sees it for China is the real timeline.
26:13
Speaker 14: It definitely is a timeline because I think she Jimping
26:16
Speaker 14: is not going to die wondering he's going to have
26:19
Speaker 14: a go in this his third term of being China's president.
26:24
Speaker 14: I mean, he's president for life, but he's now seventy two, Peter,
26:27
Speaker 14: and I think that basically this is the moment for him.
26:32
Speaker 14: You know, Richard Miles at changl I kept talking about
26:34
Speaker 14: a lack of transparency in Chinese planning. That's simply not true.
26:38
Speaker 14: She has been telling the military to be ready for
26:41
Speaker 14: war in twenty twenty seven, and he says it repeatedly
26:43
Speaker 14: when he gives speeches. Of course, they'd rather take over
26:47
Speaker 14: Taiwan peacefully, but I think they are more than prepared
26:50
Speaker 14: to do it militarily if they feel they have to.
26:54
Speaker 14: And something in the second half of this decade is going.
26:57
Speaker 15: To happen.
27:00
Speaker 3: Aspy.
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Speaker 2: You know Asby, well, you work for them for many
27:03
Speaker 2: years Australian Strategic Policy Institute. They've gone out there and
27:06
Speaker 2: said Labour's refusal to lift spending is a huge problem,
27:11
Speaker 2: and quite rightly, I think most experts, most adalysts would
27:14
Speaker 2: stand behind Aspy. China only a couple of years ago
27:17
Speaker 2: said Aspy's got to go and his list of demands
27:20
Speaker 2: Asby was one of the things that they called an
27:22
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi to scrap. The Prime Minister hit back, He
27:26
Speaker 2: attacked Aspy basically on China's side, attacked their independence. Were
27:32
Speaker 2: you surprised by how, I guess negative the Prime Minister
27:38
Speaker 2: was here, given this has been a body that's been
27:40
Speaker 2: broadly supported and strongly supported by both sides of politics
27:43
Speaker 2: for a very long time.
27:47
Speaker 14: Yes, so I thought the comments were bizarre and frankly
27:49
Speaker 14: not fitting someone who wants to present himself now as
27:52
Speaker 14: an elder statesman in Australian politics. You know, Anthony Albanesi
27:57
Speaker 14: shouldn't be so glass jawed.
27:59
Speaker 2: Peter.
28:00
Speaker 14: What Asby was saying in that report is pretty much
28:03
Speaker 14: the mainstream view of that small group of people which
28:07
Speaker 14: actually looks at defense and security, which is that we
28:09
Speaker 14: are significantly underfunded, that the current defense force is being
28:13
Speaker 14: cannibalized to pay for future submarines which we won't see
28:16
Speaker 14: for ten or fifteen years, and we are facing a
28:19
Speaker 14: crisis situation. That's not just Aspy, that's me. I've written
28:22
Speaker 14: a book with a number of my colleagues on precisely
28:24
Speaker 14: this point, just very recently. It's almost everyone that looks
28:28
Speaker 14: at defense, even those people that don't like the American Alliance,
28:31
Speaker 14: say that we need to be spending more on defense.
28:34
Speaker 14: And so for the Prime Minister to be so sort
28:36
Speaker 14: of mean in the way he picked out asby I
28:39
Speaker 14: thought was bizarre and it shouldn't escape anyone that that's
28:42
Speaker 14: actually one of China's demands of Australia is that we
28:47
Speaker 14: should shut down think tanks which say things that are
28:49
Speaker 14: critical of them. Why is the Prime Minister giving this
28:52
Speaker 14: gift to the Chinese? You know, he really needs to
28:55
Speaker 14: be more broad shouldered and actually look at the content
28:58
Speaker 14: of that ASPI report, which was pretty good.
29:03
Speaker 2: Well over they're Petter Jennings, thank you all right after
29:06
Speaker 2: the break The Brave Doctor has now been banned by
29:08
Speaker 2: the Children's Hospital and Queensland simply for expressing concerns about
29:13
Speaker 2: Australia's approach to gender medicine and its children class. Later on,
29:17
Speaker 2: the US author who's calling and our government's net zero
29:20
Speaker 2: obsession as he prepares to head down Under for a
29:23
Speaker 2: series of public engagements.
29:30
Speaker 3: Welcome back still to.
29:30
Speaker 2: Come, the US author who is on the frontline of
29:32
Speaker 2: the battle against net zero, and his timely message for
29:36
Speaker 2: the likes of Chris Bowen. But first, despite the Queensland
29:39
Speaker 2: government freezing the prescription of puberty blockers for children and
29:43
Speaker 2: launching an independent review, it would appear that clinicians critical
29:47
Speaker 2: of gender affirming hormotherapy are still being punished. Doctor Jillian Spencer,
29:53
Speaker 2: who you will recall, has appeared here several times and
29:56
Speaker 2: has been in constant battle with the management of the
29:59
Speaker 2: Queensland Children's Hospital where she walks works as a child psychiatrist.
30:04
Speaker 2: Doctor Spencer's already endured three show calls notices simply for
30:09
Speaker 2: raising concerns about gender medicine, and now the hospital's gone
30:13
Speaker 2: one further telling her she cannot return to.
30:16
Speaker 3: Work at all.
30:18
Speaker 2: In a letter obtained by The Courier Mail, the hospital's
30:20
Speaker 2: director of clinical Services wrote that doctor Spencer had engaged
30:24
Speaker 2: in conduct that I quote reflected seriously and adversely on
30:28
Speaker 2: the children's hospital and the health service. And this is
30:31
Speaker 2: directed to her your colleagues by making disparaging comments that
30:34
Speaker 2: you know to be untrue. At this time, I'm not
30:37
Speaker 2: satisfied that it's appropriate for you to return to any workplace.
30:42
Speaker 2: Well now, to give her side of this story, I'm
30:44
Speaker 2: joined now by doctor Gillian Spencer. Doctor Spencer, thank you,
30:49
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on the program. These accusations,
30:52
Speaker 2: I understand, come about because you gave a speech two
30:54
Speaker 2: way forum at the New South Wales Parliament of all places,
31:00
Speaker 2: the repercussions you face for speaking out. What do you
31:04
Speaker 2: make of this letter and where do you go from here?
31:12
Speaker 3: Yeah?
31:12
Speaker 15: I put my heart and soul into that speech. In
31:15
Speaker 15: the speech, I explained that I've been given this nightmare
31:18
Speaker 15: scenario to deal with, which is that I've got a
31:21
Speaker 15: moral obligation to speak up about a medical scandal in
31:24
Speaker 15: order to protect children. But I've also got to try
31:27
Speaker 15: and protect my job and my own kids and my
31:31
Speaker 15: medical registration. And the hospital is the one that's given
31:35
Speaker 15: me this very difficult scenario to deal with.
31:37
Speaker 3: So it feels like a real kick.
31:39
Speaker 15: In the guts that once again they're trying to fire me,
31:42
Speaker 15: this time for sharing my story. And it's because they
31:46
Speaker 15: don't want to hear about the harm that they've done
31:48
Speaker 15: to children, and they don't want to hear about the
31:51
Speaker 15: harm that they've done to me.
31:55
Speaker 2: You've been this fight for a long time, and I
31:57
Speaker 2: over this duration, not unlike Maura Deeming who stood up
32:01
Speaker 2: for women, and time has proven her right. Not just
32:04
Speaker 2: the courts, Time's also proven you right. I mean, everything
32:07
Speaker 2: you said has been born out by the cast review.
32:10
Speaker 2: We know governments around the world are pulling right back
32:13
Speaker 2: from gender affirming care, and we know that the Queensland
32:16
Speaker 2: government was elected to pause the whole use of puberty
32:20
Speaker 2: blockers for people under the age of eighteen. That's what
32:22
Speaker 2: they're doing. So how could you be on the wrong
32:25
Speaker 2: side of a hospital.
32:30
Speaker 15: It was the Queensland L ANDP government that directed the
32:33
Speaker 15: hospital to cease all new prescriptions of puberty blockers and
32:36
Speaker 15: cross sex hormones for minors in distress. It wasn't the
32:39
Speaker 15: hospital that wanted to stop doing that. The hospital executive
32:43
Speaker 15: is deeply committed to transitioning children even though there's no
32:47
Speaker 15: evidence of mental health benefits from doing that, and there's
32:50
Speaker 15: really serious harms. So I'm really worried that unless the
32:54
Speaker 15: Health Minister intervenes, the hospital is going to continue to
32:58
Speaker 15: try and crush me. But this issue is actually bigger
33:01
Speaker 15: than me because with what the hospital's done to me,
33:05
Speaker 15: they've made it so that all doctors are scared to
33:08
Speaker 15: speak out when they see harm being done to patients,
33:11
Speaker 15: and that is so dangerous. So what we really need
33:15
Speaker 15: is the government to send a very clear message that
33:18
Speaker 15: it's safe for doctors to speak up.
33:22
Speaker 4: You.
33:23
Speaker 2: Of course, on like a lot of professions, you don't
33:25
Speaker 2: just study and get your degree and walk away and.
33:29
Speaker 3: Register to practice.
33:31
Speaker 2: You actually swear an oath to do no harm. How
33:35
Speaker 2: does this sit with you morally and your own conscience
33:39
Speaker 2: when you make an oath like that and to keep
33:43
Speaker 2: your job there trying to make you basically let that go.
33:51
Speaker 15: Yeah, Well, I'm still haunted by the troubled and confused
33:55
Speaker 15: and traumatized and autistic children that I saw the gender
33:59
Speaker 15: clinic putting onto puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. Those kids,
34:05
Speaker 15: they needed help and what was done to them was
34:08
Speaker 15: tragic and they will live with the consequences of our
34:12
Speaker 15: mistakes for the rest of their lives, and so it
34:16
Speaker 15: is hard to feel sorry for myself when I think
34:18
Speaker 15: about them. And I am a child and adolescent psychiatrist,
34:21
Speaker 15: so it is my responsibility to do whatever I can
34:25
Speaker 15: to ensure that mental health services for children are safe
34:28
Speaker 15: and evidence based.
34:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:30
Speaker 15: So I'm just trapped in this nightmare scenario and I
34:33
Speaker 15: really don't know what's going to happen to me next.
34:37
Speaker 2: We know, just in the Australia the other day, and
34:39
Speaker 2: I covered here on the program, we have someone who
34:42
Speaker 2: transitioned a woman, born a woman, but to obviously transition mail.
34:46
Speaker 2: She's back now living as a woman, and she's taken
34:49
Speaker 2: her doctors to court. I mean, this will be a
34:51
Speaker 2: landmark case in Australia. We've seen similar legal actions around
34:55
Speaker 2: the country. So this is the beginning of what I
34:59
Speaker 2: think will be a very very sorry period of time
35:02
Speaker 2: for medicine in this country. How can people who are
35:05
Speaker 2: watching this tonight, who are in your camp, how can
35:08
Speaker 2: they support you? Do they pick up the phone and
35:10
Speaker 2: they call the Premier's office in Queensland? Do they reach
35:12
Speaker 2: out to the Health Minister's office? How can we show
35:15
Speaker 2: our support?
35:18
Speaker 3: Oh?
35:18
Speaker 15: Thank you Peter, and thank you to your viewers. I
35:20
Speaker 15: think key for me is that I can't rely on
35:24
Speaker 15: the hospital. They're really doing their best to destroy my career,
35:29
Speaker 15: and so I really need the government to step in
35:31
Speaker 15: to protect me, and so any communication with people's local
35:36
Speaker 15: members or the Health Minister is the only thing I
35:40
Speaker 15: think that's going to save me at this point. Public
35:43
Speaker 15: awareness of my situation and keeping my fingers crossed, all right.
35:48
Speaker 2: I will encourage people to get hold of christ of
35:51
Speaker 2: Fully the Prime at the premiere in Queensland, of course,
35:53
Speaker 2: the Health Minister and elsewhere. We'll put it up on
35:56
Speaker 2: the Sky News website, all of those details. But Julian,
35:59
Speaker 2: we are in your corner. Thank you for joining me tonight,
36:02
Speaker 2: just before we get a break, of course. So Friday
36:05
Speaker 2: was the deadline for former opposition leader in Victoria, the
36:07
Speaker 2: liberal John Perzuto, to pay what he owes his colleague
36:12
Speaker 2: boy Redeeming, after she won that federal court action, the
36:15
Speaker 2: defamation action. The court ordered him to pay some two
36:18
Speaker 2: point three million dollars in legal costs. The deadline was Friday.
36:22
Speaker 2: He did not meet that. I can report now this
36:25
Speaker 2: afternoon lawyers for were Redeeming have initiated bankruptcy proceedings against
36:30
Speaker 2: mister Perzuto. He has about twenty one days. I think
36:33
Speaker 2: it is to pay all that money in full or
36:36
Speaker 2: it will proceed to bankruptcy. Of course, as a parliamentarian,
36:40
Speaker 2: if he has made bankrupt he will need to leave
36:43
Speaker 2: the parliament and that will mean a by election in
36:46
Speaker 2: the seat of Hawthorne. So we'll see what happens. Clock
36:49
Speaker 2: is on to pay what he owes. After the break,
36:52
Speaker 2: the US author warning australia self inflicted climate policies are
36:56
Speaker 2: preventing us from becoming an energy superpower. Plus Bowen's refusal
37:01
Speaker 2: to rule out a carbon tariff. Welcome back still to come,
37:09
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. Could he be looking at a sneaky carbon tariff?
37:13
Speaker 2: Do not put it past him. The first related to
37:17
Speaker 2: this My next guest is the author in film producer
37:19
Speaker 2: Robert Bryce, who recently wrote a piece for Australian arguing
37:23
Speaker 2: that despite having the resources to be an energy superpower,
37:25
Speaker 2: Australia's climate policies have seen us acting like an energy
37:29
Speaker 2: weekly He's also the author of the book A Question
37:32
Speaker 2: of Power, Electricity and the Wealth of Nations. I'm pleased
37:36
Speaker 2: to say Robert Bryce joins me now from Boston, Texas.
37:39
Speaker 3: Robert, welcome.
37:40
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing you down under very shortly.
37:43
Speaker 2: But you have been following us here and our energy
37:46
Speaker 2: transition very carefully.
37:48
Speaker 3: Give us a report card.
37:51
Speaker 6: Well, Peter, I'm sorry to tell you it's not a
37:54
Speaker 6: very flattering report card. And I don't see an energy transition.
38:00
Speaker 6: Truly baffled. And I've followed the energy markets for a
38:03
Speaker 6: long time. My first book was on Enron now gosh,
38:06
Speaker 6: almost twenty three years ago, and I look at Australia
38:08
Speaker 6: and I'm just completely completely baffled. Australia, as I wrote
38:13
Speaker 6: it in that piece, and the Australian is an energy superpower,
38:16
Speaker 6: but you act like an energy weakling. Let me just
38:19
Speaker 6: I did the quick calculation. So you're an enormous coal
38:22
Speaker 6: producer and exporter. You export seven times more coal than
38:25
Speaker 6: you use domestically. You sell it to Japan, South Korea, India, China,
38:31
Speaker 6: but you won't burn it, and you're shutting down your
38:32
Speaker 6: coal plants. You have more uranium than any other country
38:36
Speaker 6: on the world, nearly a third of all the uranium
38:39
Speaker 6: on the planet is in Australia, but you won't build
38:42
Speaker 6: nuclear reactors. A natural gas. You're the world's third largest
38:46
Speaker 6: LNG exporter, and yet your short gas you don't have
38:49
Speaker 6: enough pipelines in your own country. I mean, it's just
38:53
Speaker 6: incredible to me. You export all these energy resources and
38:57
Speaker 6: yet you're afraid of using them at home. It's like
39:00
Speaker 6: France banning the domestic use of wine and yet exporting
39:04
Speaker 6: Bordeaux by the taker load. It truly is baffling.
39:11
Speaker 2: Absolutely no pushback from me or my audience, and we
39:14
Speaker 2: can't understand it. Like in natural resources terms, we've been
39:18
Speaker 2: shot in the backside with a rainbow. Right, you couldn't
39:20
Speaker 2: get a luckier country than Australia, and it is.
39:25
Speaker 6: Shot at the backside the rainbow.
39:27
Speaker 3: Shot in the backside by a rainbow. My father would
39:30
Speaker 3: say that.
39:31
Speaker 2: And we have as a first world economy high wage jobs.
39:36
Speaker 2: We're even one of the most competitive low wage regions.
39:40
Speaker 2: But how we've been strong up until now, particularly in
39:43
Speaker 2: the manufacturing sense, and attracted business to invest in Australia
39:48
Speaker 2: a small population, we absolutely need foreign investment to develop
39:51
Speaker 2: and grow is because we could always offer cheap and
39:55
Speaker 2: reliable power. Now we're junking that to go down to
39:59
Speaker 2: you know, the Yana of wind and solar. We're junking
40:03
Speaker 2: all of that, but we still want to pay each other,
40:05
Speaker 2: pay Australians a lot. We want a very high standard
40:07
Speaker 2: of living. That doesn't compute, right, that does not compute.
40:11
Speaker 2: But somehow we think in our government here, given we
40:14
Speaker 2: are less than one percent of the problem. As everybody
40:17
Speaker 2: else is getting out of net zero all they're getting
40:20
Speaker 2: into nuclear. We have no nuclear and we're going to
40:23
Speaker 2: fix the problem all here by ourselves. I mean, it's nuts,
40:28
Speaker 2: but Australians keep voting for it. It doesn't make sense.
40:33
Speaker 6: It's totally bonkers, Peter, I mean, it truly is total
40:37
Speaker 6: bonkers crazy town. I did the calculations as well. And
40:42
Speaker 6: again I'm coming to Australia as an outsider, and I've
40:44
Speaker 6: been invited by the IPA, and I'm flattered to be
40:46
Speaker 6: invited and look forward to talking to ordinary Australians about
40:50
Speaker 6: what's happening. But since two thousand and eight, when you
40:52
Speaker 6: increase the ret the renew you call it the renewable
40:55
Speaker 6: energy target, the prices in the national energy market have
40:59
Speaker 6: gone from forty eight dollars per mega waite hour to
41:01
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty eight dollars per Mega Waite Hour.
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Speaker 6: And then just on May twenty six, it was the
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Speaker 6: same day my piece appeared in the Australian you have
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Speaker 6: the Australian Energy Regulator announced that retail prices in New
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Speaker 6: South Wales will increase by as much as ten percent
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Speaker 6: and in Southeast Queensland nearly four percent. This is all regressive, Pete.
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Speaker 6: It all hurts the poor in the middle class. And
41:23
Speaker 6: those are the people that I love. I love the
41:25
Speaker 6: people who have their names on their shirts, that work
41:26
Speaker 6: with their hands, that you know, you know, turn wrenches.
41:29
Speaker 6: And yet all of this climate policy, it's elitist policy
41:32
Speaker 6: and it hurts those, It hurts the working class and
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Speaker 6: the poor.
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Speaker 2: So if you were to tell my viewers who are
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Speaker 2: trying to make the argument at the golf club and
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Speaker 2: around the kitchen table to younger Australians, why do we
41:46
Speaker 2: need to get out of net zero? Dad or grandpa
41:49
Speaker 2: or here it is, here's why we need to get out.
41:52
Speaker 2: What are the key messages you want Australians to get
41:54
Speaker 2: out there and prosecute at a local level.
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Speaker 6: Well, sure, first the idea of net zero and it's impossible,
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Speaker 6: you know, for all of this genuflecting and bowing and
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Speaker 6: scraping at this idea of zero net zero emissions. And
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Speaker 6: I know you have the new Albanesi government and the
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Speaker 6: first time you've re elected our prime minister in a
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Speaker 6: long time, a ruling coalition in a long time. But
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Speaker 6: it's never going to work. It's this, it's a mirage.
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Speaker 6: This idea that you're going to achieve net zero will
42:22
Speaker 6: not happen. It can't happen because it won't happen because
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Speaker 6: it can't happen. So what's the message? You have to
42:28
Speaker 6: sober up and be realistic about what is happening in
42:31
Speaker 6: the world. You mentioned Australia. Australia's percentage of CO two
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Speaker 6: emissions globally was about one and a half percent in
42:38
Speaker 6: two thousand. Now it's about one percent. Meanwhile, China and
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Speaker 6: India are forty percent and their share is rising. So
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Speaker 6: this is an international issue that has to be dealt
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Speaker 6: with internationally. And Australia is hollowing out its economy by
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Speaker 6: and it's people, by inflicting these destructive policies that are
42:58
Speaker 6: going to have effectively no impact on climate change, but
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Speaker 6: devastate potentially the Australian economy and Australian consumers.
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Speaker 2: I hope you got visa already because the tee you what,
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Speaker 2: the Albenezer government is not going to like you coming
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Speaker 2: here and speaking some plain, honest truth to them. But
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Speaker 2: I know my audience will. I know people who love
43:17
Speaker 2: the IPA will, Sir Robert Bryce. We look forward to
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Speaker 2: your company. Thank You'll see you soon. He's going to,
43:21
Speaker 2: of course be here with the IPA later this month.
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Speaker 2: You can scan the QI code on your screen. Here's
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Speaker 2: a rock star. If you can get to one of
43:29
Speaker 2: these engagements.
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Speaker 3: I urge you to do that. I certainly will.
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Speaker 2: All right, after break, despite being it all said during
43:35
Speaker 2: the election campaign, Chris Bowen, you know buried away didn't
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Speaker 2: see him. He's now back and he wants a potential
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Speaker 2: carbon tariff plus a twenty billion dollar cost of Bowen's
43:46
Speaker 2: renewabile fallout in just Victoria alone. All right, let's bring
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Speaker 2: my panel now. Menzi's Research Centers Nicator of course he's
43:58
Speaker 2: at the Australian as well, and paul In Hansen's One
44:01
Speaker 2: Nation chief of Staff, who've got a big accolade. There's
44:03
Speaker 2: a bit of a strategic brains trust A bit earlier
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Speaker 2: there from Andrew Klenell, take that bow, James Ashby, let's
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Speaker 2: start with you if I can nick.
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Speaker 3: A carbon tariff.
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Speaker 2: Well that wasn't mentioned at all during the recent election
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Speaker 2: campaign and made me think of twenty ten with Julia
44:19
Speaker 2: Gillard famously said that we know.
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Speaker 3: Carbon tax under a government I lead.
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Speaker 2: I'm starting to wonder whether the ninety three seats has
44:27
Speaker 2: gone to Labour's head.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, well this was straight out of the blue, wasn't it?
44:33
Speaker 16: Not altogether surprising? This is Labour's game, of course, But
44:36
Speaker 16: you know this is specifically going to be I think
44:39
Speaker 16: on things like concrete and steel that we come from
44:42
Speaker 16: other countries that are nonetheless, you know, not considered clean
44:47
Speaker 16: and green. So I guess it's to try and make
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Speaker 16: green and steel and green concrete more attractive. But here's
44:54
Speaker 16: the thing, Peter. Look, we're putting billions of dollars of
44:58
Speaker 16: substies into things like green steel projects, green iron or
45:03
Speaker 16: like Adam Wyela, and on top of that, now we've
45:05
Speaker 16: got to put these tariffs in place. Well you know,
45:08
Speaker 16: I mean, if these things were economical, they'd stand up
45:11
Speaker 16: on their own memts. It's just another example of the
45:14
Speaker 16: multiple ways in which the government is basically using our
45:18
Speaker 16: money to pay for this technology which is unproven at scale.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, to be honest, I'm not interested in green concrete.
45:27
Speaker 2: I'm an interested in green steel until it's green out
45:29
Speaker 2: of China and it's green out of India. I mean,
45:32
Speaker 2: I mean, let's get serious. You've got Victoria with a
45:35
Speaker 2: two hundred billion dollar debt debt. They can't jump over
45:38
Speaker 2: a debt that when the government got in this current
45:40
Speaker 2: labor government, the debt was about thirty billion, so that
45:43
Speaker 2: they're on a hiding to nothing in the.
45:44
Speaker 3: State of Victoria, poorold taxpayers.
45:46
Speaker 2: But down there, this is the rollout required to get
45:50
Speaker 2: energy from these renewable sites in the middle of nowhere
45:54
Speaker 2: into urban areas where people can use it. It was
45:56
Speaker 2: said to be if you look at the state government
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Speaker 2: plans James Ashby four point three bis right, four point
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Speaker 2: three billion, No closer to twenty billion dollars. This does
46:05
Speaker 2: not even include the Western Renewables link Victoria to New
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Speaker 2: South Wales border, the Interconnector West, the one that I've
46:14
Speaker 2: gone down and sat with farmers who are basically about
46:17
Speaker 2: to lose their land if these pylons come through.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a joke.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, one hundred percent. And to think that we're not
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Speaker 17: capable of producing the steel required for those transmission towers
46:30
Speaker 17: that have got to go up. There's ten thousand kilometers
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Speaker 17: worth of additional power lines and transmission towers that need.
46:36
Speaker 3: To go up.
46:37
Speaker 17: We've got two power sorry, two steel mills left in Australia,
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Speaker 17: one of which is in administration heavily funded by the
46:44
Speaker 17: federal government at this point, so that leaves one that's
46:46
Speaker 17: actually standing on sign two feet. How much longer that'll
46:50
Speaker 17: last is beyond me, especially when we've got these safeguard
46:53
Speaker 17: mechanisms put in place where each of those companies are
46:57
Speaker 17: limited to one hundred thousand tons of CO two emissions
47:02
Speaker 17: before all of a sudden they've got to start paying
47:05
Speaker 17: for carbon credits. And as Nick pointed out, a lot
47:08
Speaker 17: of those towers are going to need a lot of
47:09
Speaker 17: concrete to put in the ground. Again, our cement factories
47:13
Speaker 17: are limited to one hundred thousand tons of carbon dioxide.
47:18
Speaker 17: To put that into perspective, Peter, a large sized house
47:22
Speaker 17: requires around about one hundred requires enough concrete that generates
47:29
Speaker 17: one hundred tons of carbon dioxide, So that's only a
47:32
Speaker 17: thousand large homes in this country before all of a sudden,
47:36
Speaker 17: you've got to start paying up to twenty five dollars
47:39
Speaker 17: per carbon credit that gets put on to the end consumer,
47:43
Speaker 17: which is the house builder, and when you put it
47:46
Speaker 17: into those terms, it adds about two and a half
47:48
Speaker 17: thousand dollars to the average slab.
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Speaker 5: Of the house.
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Speaker 17: So all of these costs are what are driving the
47:53
Speaker 17: prices up. And it doesn't matter whether it's building homes
47:56
Speaker 17: or putting in these brand new, big long transmission line
48:00
Speaker 17: that at the end of the day, are feeding this
48:02
Speaker 17: green agenda that the Alban Eazy government are enforcing on
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Speaker 17: every single one of us.
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Speaker 2: And we're not even allowed to have the debate. We're
48:12
Speaker 2: not even having the debate in this coustry about whether
48:15
Speaker 2: or not this is a good thing, right, whether or
48:17
Speaker 2: not this is a good thing.
48:17
Speaker 3: So you've got four new senators.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's hope we have that debate and you force
48:22
Speaker 2: everybody's hand. I think, James, because you've been consistently against
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Speaker 2: zero for some time. Talk to me about China though,
48:29
Speaker 2: you know this is interesting. We talk about dam s Nick,
48:32
Speaker 2: and we haven't built a dam in this country of
48:34
Speaker 2: large scale.
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Speaker 3: For about forty years.
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Speaker 2: Beijing's already got the three gorgeous, damn biggest in the world.
48:39
Speaker 2: Whether've just announceder're going to put another big one which
48:41
Speaker 2: will be the biggest near to bet and it'll give
48:45
Speaker 2: them as much as twenty seven times the power that
48:49
Speaker 2: we're going to get out of poor old snowy two
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Speaker 2: point zero.
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Speaker 16: It just shows what you can do to get rid
48:55
Speaker 16: of the CFMAU, don't you In the country without the
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Speaker 16: CFM green tape, without minimum wages, you know, and no
49:04
Speaker 16: compunction about using slave labor where necessary, they can get
49:07
Speaker 16: this stuff done. That's the thing about, you know, all
49:09
Speaker 16: these projects around that zero. They're fine for these big
49:14
Speaker 16: autocratic countries where they don't take human rights seriously and
49:17
Speaker 16: they don't actually care about their local environment much. But
49:20
Speaker 16: in a country like Australia, they just become rohibitively expensive.
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Speaker 16: Snowy two point two two point zero, Peter, if you
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Speaker 16: remember Malcolm Turnbull announced in twenty seventeen that was going
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Speaker 16: to cost US two billion dollars and would be finished
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Speaker 16: by twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: It's twelve and climbing, Nick, I know, I gotta go, Yeah,
49:38
Speaker 2: I gotta go. It's twelve and climbing. Yeah, probably never
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Speaker 2: see it in our lifetime.
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Speaker 3: Thank you both. That's it for me. He's Andrew