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Representation Matters: From TV to Toys, Cruises and Yes Hollywood · All About The Joy

• 0:02
  Carmen Lezeth: okay, we didn't want us to go live, right, we were having a conversation and then fucking tony comes in and pisses me off, as he always does just take a 30 second.
• 0:11
  Tony D.: I'm gonna say something.
• 0:12
  Tony D.: She's like I don't.
• 0:13
  Tony D.: I don't know what I deal with this.
• 0:15
  Tony D.: Why do I?
• 0:15
  Carmen Lezeth: invite you why.
• 0:16
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 0:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, why do I do this to myself?
• 0:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, everyone, welcome to all about the joy.
• 0:20
  Carmen Lezeth: We're a few minutes early.
• 0:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick will be by shortly.
• 0:23
  Carmen Lezeth: We were just starting to fight in the green room and then some kids are like fight, fight, put it online.
• 0:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me explain, Tony, Years and years ago I cut cable, which means I don't have like what's the cable in Boston?
• 0:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm saying it again for the people who want to know why we fight in our baby okay no-transcript.
• 1:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but when you get something like youtube, tv or hulu, does it too.
• 1:13
  Carmen Lezeth: If you get hulu I don't know, I don't have hulu anything, I just got it for this one show and I already canceled it.
• 1:18
  Carmen Lezeth: But youtube has all the channels.
• 1:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Even more channels.
• 1:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi, mel, hi, melanie.
• 1:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, cynthia called it.
• 1:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia said you cannot go on early because Melanie is always our first person and she's on and she knows it's 9 o'clock Because, melanie, we were already in the green room talking.
• 1:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Who's that?
• 1:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, is that Jason?
• 1:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Is it?
• 1:39
  Carmen Lezeth: He's so cute.
• 1:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Tell him.
• 1:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I said hi, he don't remember me.
• 1:41
  Carmen Lezeth: It's fine, did you just say what to me?
• 1:45
  Tony D.: Oh, he said hi.
• 1:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, hi, baby.
• 1:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyway, so YouTube TV has all of that stuff, and the thing that I hate about YouTube TV is that, even though I said I don't you know, because you can decide what you want to watch, you can decide, right, it's like you.
• 2:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, you pay for all of it, like 75 bucks or something a month, but then you can decide, right, it's like you.
• 2:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, you pay for all of it, like 75 bucks or something a month, but then you can choose what comes on your feed.
• 2:08
  Carmen Lezeth: So, like, I've taken off everything that's you know, sports.
• 2:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to watch any sports stuff at all, that's true, no, you don't, then what it does is it still tries to advertise when you log on.
• 2:17
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like are you sure you don't want to watch the game between?
• 2:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like holy god, because they're always trying to push you.
• 2:23
  Carmen Lezeth: It doesn't cost any more money, but they want, I guess, the views or something.
• 2:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what that is.
• 2:28
  Tony D.: But you can watch what, tony, go ahead.
• 2:32
  Tony D.: Cynthia, I'm sorry.
• 2:33
  Cynthia: I was going to say you can watch regular news like CNN and CNBC, all that on there too.
• 2:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Absolutely, it's everything.
• 2:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I got the BBC, I got all of the.
• 2:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I forget what the name of the channel is, but it's all the European shows.
• 2:47
  Carmen Lezeth: They have their own channel.
• 2:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, you can watch anything you want Al Jazeera, if you want, or whatever.
• 2:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I would never not be, because actually I usually don't watch TV.
• 2:57
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 2:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Did you not shave a part, or something?
• 2:59
  Tony D.: Yeah, I missed a part.
• 3:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I hate that I hate when that happens to my legs.
• 3:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Yay, I hate when that happens with my legs, yay.
• 3:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, my God, joy, I'm glad you're doing better.
• 3:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Hello, we miss you.
• 3:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I told her she can reach out to me when she's ready to come back to hang out.
• 3:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh wait, let me double check where Rick is.
• 3:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I hope he's okay.
• 3:17
  Carmen Lezeth: He probably knows we're on, so he's taking his time.
• 3:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh nope, I got a whole bunch of messages.
• 3:20
  Tony D.: If he's not here, that means something's going on, because he's always here.
• 3:24
  Carmen Lezeth: He's just doing what he can right now.
• 3:26
  Carmen Lezeth: He said he'll yeah, no worries, look at it.
• 3:29
  Carmen Lezeth: If he can't make it, it's okay.
• 3:30
  Carmen Lezeth: But he just said he's trying to deal with the situation at home before he jumps on.
• 3:34
  Tony D.: I'm sure he knows, we're on here I already knew what was going on when he wasn sitting here.
• 3:38
  Carmen Lezeth: So, cynthia, how are you?
• 3:39
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no, wait, there is news, but I got to be involved in the news.
• 3:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, we can't talk about it yet.
• 3:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Why don't we talk about how bad X-Men 97 was?
• 3:54
  Tony D.: There's nothing wrong with it.
• 3:56
  Cynthia: Hey, I like it.
• 3:56
  Cynthia: I haven't finished.
• 3:57
  Cynthia: I stopped at episode eight, so I haven't finished it yet.
• 4:00
  Tony D.: You have to watch.
• 4:01
  Tony D.: Nine you have to watch it.
• 4:03
  Tony D.: Okay.
• 4:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Isn't there only nine episodes?
• 4:05
  Tony D.: I think, there's ten.
• 4:06
  Tony D.: Nine or ten, but you gotta watch it.
• 4:08
  Tony D.: I don't even want to tell you I love what they did.
• 4:10
  Tony D.: I love the action they added to it.
• 4:11
  Tony D.: I know it was a little bit darker than the older cartoons, but I thought they did excellent work with it.
• 4:17
  Carmen Lezeth: They switched it up very well and look at Carmen, she's about to lose it.
• 4:20
  Carmen Lezeth: That's all that's happening.
• 4:24
  Tony D.: I thought it was great.
• 4:24
  Tony D.: I really did.
• 4:25
  Tony D.: I was listening to last week's episode before I came on when I was doing some laundry.
• 4:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Carmen was right, it did suck, huh.
• 4:32
  Tony D.: No, no, no, You're talking about the Marvel character who was married.
• 4:35
  Tony D.: I was sitting there like that is a good question.
• 4:36
  Tony D.: First of all, I had to see which one I'm going to interrupt you.
• 4:38
  Carmen Lezeth: We didn't say hi to Sadie.
• 4:40
  Tony D.: I didn't say hi to Sadie, I didn't say hi to Sadie.
• 4:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I didn't mean to interrupt.
• 4:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi, sadie, how you doing.
• 4:44
  Tony D.: I thought you wanted us to talk what you doing.
• 4:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, wait.
• 4:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just going to tell you, I'm going to let you talk.
• 4:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Joy, I sent you the link on your cell phone.
• 4:51
  Carmen Lezeth: If you didn't get it, let me know on here on the chat.
• 5:03
  Cynthia: Because I can't see them.
• 5:05
  Tony D.: Go ahead, I'll give you a minute.
• 5:06
  Tony D.: She's hating Damn.
• 5:07
  Tony D.: What's up, rick?
• 5:07
  Tony D.: What's up with the Marvel character that you would marry?
• 5:09
  Tony D.: If I were to pick any character, I would say Anita Hill.
• 5:11
  Tony D.: I liked her.
• 5:11
  Tony D.: She was kind of cute.
• 5:13
  Cynthia: Yeah, I definitely got to watch it this week.
• 5:15
  Cynthia: Oh, I did watch Loki.
• 5:17
  Cynthia: Oh, you did Wait wait, wait.
• 5:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's say hi to Rick first.
• 5:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi, rick, cynthia, do you have any news you want to share?
• 5:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Wow, I got the job.
• 5:29
  Cynthia: Yay, woo, woo, I'm so excited, I'm so excited and they're giving me what I asked for Awesome.
• 5:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I know money that's a big ass raise though, right?
• 5:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:45
  Joy: So now you can get Tony an even better microphone.
• 5:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh okay, yeah, I'm so happy for you.
• 5:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Congratulations, thank you, and fuck the people who didn't help us along the way.
• 5:54
  Carmen Lezeth: That's all I'm going to say.
• 5:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Sorry, I'm going to be a little bitter.
• 5:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to be a little bitter because people say they're going to help and then they don't help.
• 5:58
  Carmen Lezeth: That's true, everything happens for a reason, yeah, when you show me who you are, I'm going to believe it now, anyways.
• 6:07
  Carmen Lezeth: So when do you start Like, what's the deal?
• 6:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Because you're going on vacation for a month, 10 days, two weeks.
• 6:13
  Cynthia: So I told them, you know, I would like to start July 1st because I'll be back from vacation.
• 6:17
  Cynthia: My boss will have time, you know, to get situated and stuff.
• 6:22
  Carmen Lezeth: So happy for you, so happy, thank situated and stuff.
• 6:29
  Carmen Lezeth: So, so happy for you, so happy, thank you, um.
• 6:30
  Carmen Lezeth: And then, before we hand it over to rick um, we were talking about that you saw wait, I think somebody just logged on again, um, that, you saw loki yes and I did like it.
• 6:40
  Cynthia: It was entertaining.
• 6:41
  Cynthia: Um, it was.
• 6:42
  Cynthia: It was kind of getting confusing having to follow, you know, going up him, going back and forth and everything.
• 6:47
  Cynthia: But I mean, I don't want to ruin it for anybody who hasn't seen it, but it was months ago.
• 6:52
  Cynthia: We've all seen it.
• 6:53
  Cynthia: Okay, now he's just the, he's the timekeeper, he's.
• 6:57
  Carmen Lezeth: He holds all of the.
• 6:59
  Carmen Lezeth: What is it called, Rick?
• 7:00
  Rick Costa: Rick, he holds all of the timelines.
• 7:01
  Rick Costa: Yeah, that's a good way to say it.
• 7:04
  Carmen Lezeth: So when you go back and watch the first Thor, which I watch pretty regularly, it's all different.
• 7:11
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 7:11
  Carmen Lezeth: It's all.
• 7:12
  Carmen Lezeth: It makes more sense.
• 7:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, joy, joy, I love your hair, it's all wavy and curly.
• 7:19
  Carmen Lezeth: It looks cute and, yeah, we see you well now.
• 7:22
  Rick Costa: Yeah, perfect.
• 7:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me put Cynthia back on.
• 7:25
  Carmen Lezeth: There we go, can you?
• 7:27
  Rick Costa: see Joy now?
• 7:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, you know what.
• 7:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I am so glad I came up with that idea because it makes sense.
• 7:32
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 7:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Tony, you and I are going to go at it today, baby.
• 7:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, rick, we're 12 minutes in.
• 7:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, baby.
• 7:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Welcome to All About the Joy, rick Costa style.
• 7:42
  Rick Costa: Go ahead All right, so we're going to do that topic I was bringing up a couple weeks ago.
• 7:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, it's your show.
• 7:50
  Rick Costa: I didn't know I was going to do it today.
• 7:51
  Rick Costa: I wasn't notified.
• 7:53
  Carmen Lezeth: You were notified last week's episode.
• 7:55
  Rick Costa: No, no, Two weeks ago is when we talked about it.
• 7:57
  Rick Costa: Last week we said nothing about this.
• 8:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Why didn't you?
• 8:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, we have to act like we're a cool company and like we got shit going on.
• 8:09
  Carmen Lezeth: So just apologize.
• 8:09
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm just kidding.
• 8:09
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, then let's do this.
• 8:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's clarify you will take over next week, because clearly we're not prepared, right?
• 8:15
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, we'll just do it then all right.
• 8:19
  Rick Costa: So the whole idea was representation, and what do I mean by that?
• 8:23
  Rick Costa: So I can only tell you my little teeny experience, which doesn't compare with most people's.
• 8:26
  Rick Costa: So they had NBC put out a movie of the life of Christ and they were looking for who were they going to have to play Jesus, and the person they picked was Portuguese.
• 8:36
  Rick Costa: And I was like, yeah, portuguese, woo-hoo, because I'm Portuguese, I was all excited, right.
• 8:39
  Rick Costa: So I was like, yay, tony's going to smack you.
• 8:42
  Rick Costa: I was like yo, we've never seen other Portuguese people ever, ever, ever, ever, because there's not a lot of us here.
• 8:46
  Rick Costa: I mean, there's some of us Shut up, and then I was really happy about that.
• 8:51
  Rick Costa: But it made me think what about other nationalities and ethnicities and all that stuff?
• 8:55
  Rick Costa: How do they feel about representation, since now it's much better than it was years ago, but years ago it was pretty much white land.
• 9:02
  Rick Costa: Let's be honest, it was pretty much white land.
• 9:05
  Rick Costa: Everybody was pretty much white.
• 9:06
  Rick Costa: Leave it to the beaver, the name of any old show is almost all white people.
• 9:09
  Rick Costa: Now, of course, we've progressed.
• 9:11
  Rick Costa: When you know better, you do better.
• 9:12
  Rick Costa: Carmen, we're getting better now.
• 9:16
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not my quote, that's Maya Angelou.
• 9:18
  Rick Costa: Right, but I hear you say it all the time.
• 9:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I just want to make sure we're giving the right person a crack.
• 9:22
  Rick Costa: Rest in peace, Maya Angelou.
• 9:23
  Rick Costa: Yes, amen, I'm not Catholic, but yeah, but anyway, I've always wanted to talk to people about that.
• 9:29
  Rick Costa: What is it like for a little girl, even when I was a kid?
• 9:33
  Rick Costa: Everybody has a Barbie doll.
• 9:36
  Rick Costa: Where's the Black Barbie doll?
• 9:38
  Rick Costa: Where's the Asian Barbie doll?
• 9:39
  Rick Costa: Where's all the other ethnicities of Barbie dolls?
• 9:42
  Rick Costa: Why is it all white, white, white, white, white, white, white, you know, and how does that make you feel?
• 9:46
  Rick Costa: And I sent you a video, Carmen, if you saw it about you can play it if you want.
• 9:51
  Rick Costa: I think I could bring it up.
• 9:52
  Rick Costa: Let me see.
• 9:53
  Carmen Lezeth: You should be able to.
• 9:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, no, I can't.
• 10:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I haven having a day with you today, Tony huh.
• 10:06
  Tony D.: I'm behaving.
• 10:06
  Tony D.: You've got 10 more minutes than is mine.
• 10:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, okay, did you put it up there, Rick, because I don't see it.
• 10:13
  Other: I grew up on American movies and I've never seen characters like myself on screen.
• 10:18
  Other: It's incredibly meaningful.
• 10:19
  Other: It's incredibly important.
• 10:21
  Other: I mean, I've grown up looking at the Marvel comics and know a bit about the Marvel world and you know, I've never seen a superhero that looks something like me.
• 10:29
  Other: And I'm really pleased because it truly is the right time for our little boys and girls to go and say oh look, we have superheroes too.
• 10:37
  Carmen Lezeth: When you see a superhero, you see yourself, and I think that's the really important thing that movies like this does for kids.
• 10:42
  Other: It allows them to feel the possibility and it's only going to add to that and hopefully will continue to open the door for more movies like this.
• 10:50
  Other: I hope Shang-Chi is another step.
• 10:51
  Other: If Shang-Chi is the end, then we have failed.
• 10:54
  Other: I could not be more proud of the way that this movie has allowed us to bring up more representation both in front of and behind the camera, and I think the world just is hungry for movies that reflect who we are in all of our colors awesome.
• 11:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you for sending that clip and for showing it I think that I thought that was pretty, pretty good.
• 11:18
  Rick Costa: You know, and you know just goes to show, every ethnicity is probably thinking the same thing.
• 11:22
  Rick Costa: Like why don't I see anybody that looks like me on the screen?
• 11:25
  Rick Costa: And how would that make you feel if you felt like, oh, only one certain ethnicity is on the screen.
• 11:30
  Rick Costa: Like well, we're not worthy to be on the screen with y'all.
• 11:33
  Rick Costa: Like I don't know.
• 11:35
  Carmen Lezeth: But do you think that's what that's about?
• 11:36
  Carmen Lezeth: About us not being worthy.
• 11:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if that's really what it's about.
• 11:42
  Rick Costa: Well, I don't know what a kid thinks, I don't know, cause I didn't go through that, cause you know, again, I look pretty white.
• 11:46
  Carmen Lezeth: So I know, but I guess for me it would be more.
• 11:49
  Carmen Lezeth: It's just racism, right, it's always been this pushback of um.
• 11:53
  Carmen Lezeth: If it's part of what we're dealing with, even to this day, we take two steps forward and 17 steps back, right, like we're crawling our way through this process, and I think it's always been about racism.
• 12:05
  Carmen Lezeth: However, I will say on the flip side of it and this is just one instance this isn't like blanket all over the place.
• 12:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I wrote in my book about not having a Barbie, and as a little kid I was jealous and upset because we couldn't afford it.
• 12:19
  Carmen Lezeth: It was about poverty, right.
• 12:20
  Carmen Lezeth: It wasn't like, oh, how come they don't have a black Barbie?
• 12:22
  Carmen Lezeth: It was, I just wanted Barbie because everybody had it.
• 12:25
  Carmen Lezeth: What I will say is, now that I can look back on it, I'm glad I never had a Barbie, because I never had to imagine myself looking like that, and white women were on the covers of every magazine.
• 12:38
  Carmen Lezeth: There was no representation for any other ethnicity.
• 12:41
  Carmen Lezeth: But in a way, that is also why so many people ended up having so many issues about image and who they are and what they look like in their body and their.
• 12:48
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 12:49
  Carmen Lezeth: And so, in a weird backhanded, stupid way.
• 12:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm grateful Now.
• 12:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I did say the other day I wish I grew up with Serena Williams as someone to look up to, because she is fierce and beautiful and the body of like just what I think is a strong, sexy, feminine woman.
• 13:08
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean and I I can't imagine the person I would be today had I grown up seeing someone so powerful and looked more like me body-wise than someone like Gabriella Reese, who is if you guys don't know who she is, she's a big time volleyball player, right, so I was pretty athletic, so I always liked athletic people and Gabrielle Reese is also.
• 13:28
  Carmen Lezeth: She's married to that big time surfer guy.
• 13:31
  Carmen Lezeth: If you guys aren't into surfing, anyway, I don't know.
• 13:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyways, it doesn't matter, but that's the only plus I see for me personally, like not having a Barbie.
• 13:39
  Carmen Lezeth: But all the things you said about shows and stuff, I mean, course it sucked, but you didn't know any different either.
• 13:44
  Carmen Lezeth: You thought that the white way and this world and the whatever it was the way it was always supposed to be, and so you knew you weren't part of it.
• 13:54
  Rick Costa: but then you didn't have any choice, so you tried to find connection anyway yeah, I remember, um, when the cabbage patch dolls came out and then later they came up with the black ones, and I'm like, and everybody was like, oh, like some of you were happy, some were not.
• 14:06
  Rick Costa: And then I'm like, why wasn't it in the first place?
• 14:08
  Rick Costa: Like, why do we have to do this after?
• 14:10
  Rick Costa: I know?
• 14:11
  Rick Costa: I know now.
• 14:12
  Rick Costa: I'm saying I know now, but then I was like what's what's going on here?
• 14:14
  Rick Costa: Why is this happening?
• 14:15
  Rick Costa: Like I was a kid, I didn't know, I didn't understand I'm curious what joy thinks about this.
• 14:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but you are the representative of all white women on the planet.
• 14:28
  Joy: Okay, you're talking about Barbies.
• 14:29
  Joy: Rick brought up Barbies.
• 14:31
  Joy: They actually just came out with a blind Barbie.
• 14:34
  Rick Costa: No way.
• 14:36
  Joy: Yep, Wow.
• 14:36
  Joy: Earlier this year they came out with a blind Barbie.
• 14:41
  Rick Costa: That's awesome.
• 14:44
  Joy: How does that make you feel it's kind of neat actually, actually, because there's never been, you know, a representation of a blind community.
• 14:52
  Joy: So it actually has a little white cane and a guide dog.
• 14:59
  Joy: Oh, that's cool, that's really really cool, everything that, and I'm gonna try to find one.
• 15:04
  Joy: I can't, I've not found one yet, but I'm gonna try to find one.
• 15:06
  Joy: But yeah, I mean I grew up with barbies.
• 15:10
  Joy: Personally I didn't have the real barbie because it was all about the money, right.
• 15:16
  Joy: Yeah, you know a little imitation barbie, but I don't know to me, especially with the barbie dolls, I was very much a tomboy, so I didn't play with my Barbies a lot.
• 15:29
  Joy: But it's like the TV shows.
• 15:34
  Joy: Growing up One of my favorite shows was Sanford and Son and Good Times.
• 15:40
  Rick Costa: Yes.
• 15:43
  Joy: You know, that's what we always watch.
• 15:45
  Joy: Yeah, yeah, but you know, and, and to me, I didn't think a lot about it because one, I didn't get to watch a lot of tv or watch a lot of movies or whatever, you know it, just we were always outside doing stuff that was also our generation, though you You're so right, you're right, you know.
• 16:07
  Rick Costa: So if anybody finds one, a Barbie for visually impaired, please let us know so we can get it to Joy.
• 16:12
  Carmen Lezeth: But let's not say that you know like there isn't a lot of representation also for the disabled community.
• 16:18
  Cynthia: That is true.
• 16:18
  Cynthia: And actually Disney just started making costumes for children in wheelchairs, so they have a whole costume that goes over the wheelchair, so it'll look like the Millennium Falcon, it'll look like the Cinderella carriage, so now they're including all these kids in wheelchairs or, you know, with disabilities, which I think is great, but, like you were saying, with the whole in, you know, inclusion with film.
• 16:39
  Cynthia: Now it's like, yeah, it's great that you know they have Asians and Spanish and Blacks and being represented, but there's still a stereotype, there's still a certain way they want you to look whether you're Spanish or Black or Asian or from any ethnicity.
• 16:51
  Cynthia: So that's still kind of tough and you know it's still kind of racist in the industry too.
• 16:57
  Cynthia: So it's like yeah they're trying to go the right way, but there's still have those limitations.
• 17:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me just give a shout out to Mario.
• 17:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I know we all haven't waved, but hi Mario, Hi Mario, Go ahead.
• 17:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick, I'm sorry.
• 17:09
  Rick Costa: So Carmen, the world famous actress, she could probably tell us better.
• 17:12
  Rick Costa: But if somebody's looking for a person of color, could it be possible to be like somebody who looks a little more lighter, a little more not so dark might get the part.
• 17:21
  Rick Costa: Unless they're specifically looking for, like a really, you know, dark type person?
• 17:29
  Rick Costa: Is that more likely to happen or depends?
• 17:30
  Rick Costa: You're asking me the question yes, yes, you're the.
• 17:31
  Carmen Lezeth: You're the famous actress in here.
• 17:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't even do any acting.
• 17:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at here's what I'll say about hollywood before we start dissing hollywood.
• 17:35
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I'm a big fan of this industry, um, and I hate when people not you, but just in general when people kind of try to blame a lot of things on Hollywood.
• 17:44
  Carmen Lezeth: The problem is, hollywood is always ahead of the game, right?
• 17:48
  Carmen Lezeth: So any issues that are happening within the industry always end up being still ahead of the game as they're trying to move through it.
• 17:56
  Carmen Lezeth: So, yes, as I said, last week or whenever it was, we talked about it in Hollywood, and this is also changing, especially like on 9-1-1, lone Star in Hollywood, and this is also changing, especially like on 911 Lone Star, there are actors who are definitely being brought in who are Latino and Afro-Latino.
• 18:12
  Carmen Lezeth: So there is now a distinction.
• 18:14
  Carmen Lezeth: But before they used to say, oh, we need somebody who's a Latina you know this age blah, blah, blah can do this and whatever, and you'd go into the audition and what they really meant was European Latino person.
• 18:25
  Carmen Lezeth: So a white person who's Latino, like Selma Hayek or Jennifer Lopez, or they're only looking towards these types of women as being Latina, whereas the world of the Latin ethnicity whatever it is you want to call it goes from being very blonde and blue eyed to being very, very dark skin and with African features, features, and that's what's the beautiful part of basically every ethnicity, but especially the Latino community.
• 18:50
  Carmen Lezeth: And so, to me, I'm being biased, but I am Latina and I am of African descent.
• 18:55
  Carmen Lezeth: So I think that, yeah, hollywood has had problems with a lot of things.
• 19:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean now we're seeing, especially again sorry, I'm talking so much about 9-1-1, this show, but but 9-1-1 Lone Star, like I thought it wouldn't work.
• 19:09
  Carmen Lezeth: But there is like there's gay, there's transgender, there's black, there's Asian, there's oh no, asian.
• 19:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think there's an Asian person, muslim, right Muslim.
• 19:18
  Carmen Lezeth: My apologies, and it works yeah.
• 19:22
  Carmen Lezeth: It's also an interracial oh, that's right, that's right, they're both right.
• 19:28
  Carmen Lezeth: So I mean, we're getting there, but sometimes it's been so forced that it hasn't worked.
• 19:32
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean?
• 19:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm curious to see what uh tony who I guess has just left us said.
• 19:39
  Carmen Lezeth: The crazy thing to me is that they actually cast j-lo as an italian in the wedding planner.
• 19:43
  Carmen Lezeth: So sometimes hollywood can just be hypocritical.
• 19:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm gonna explain something to you because I I I'm not defending j-lo.
• 19:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to explain something to you because I'm not defending J-Lo.
• 19:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to use a different example.
• 19:51
  Carmen Lezeth: The problem is because people do not know what it means to be Latino.
• 19:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, because Hollywood is growing as well.
• 19:59
  Carmen Lezeth: So many people in this industry from back in the day and I'm talking Martin Sheehan is a great example.
• 20:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I've talked about him in the past.
• 20:05
  Carmen Lezeth: He was on the West Wing, he was on so many movies.
• 20:07
  Carmen Lezeth: He's Latino and most people don't know that.
• 20:10
  Carmen Lezeth: But when you get work and you can pass, you're going to pass and you're going to do what you need to do.
• 20:15
  Carmen Lezeth: So it's not that they were like, oh, let's cast J-Lo as an Italian wedding planner.
• 20:20
  Carmen Lezeth: They said, hey, she can pass as Italian to people who don't know any better.
• 20:24
  Carmen Lezeth: And let's be honest, we are so ingrained with racism Half the time people don't get what's happening.
• 20:36
  Carmen Lezeth: And then, on top of it, they're like j-lo has a name, so let's use that to bring her, you know, I mean, they can bring more of an audience.
• 20:40
  Carmen Lezeth: So, and again, also back with this.
• 20:41
  Carmen Lezeth: We talked about the gay character in a sitcom.
• 20:42
  Carmen Lezeth: What was it?
• 20:42
  Carmen Lezeth: he's not gay, uh oh, yeah, yeah, well and grace well and grace, he wasn't gay, um, but you know he did it and he passed.
• 20:50
  Carmen Lezeth: And and I'm not he did it and he passed, and I'm not saying he did it and lied at all, but I'm saying then he was able to bring a different group of people and he could do something with his name.
• 20:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Eric McCormick could do something with who he was and his name and bring an audience and get us all more comfortable with gay characters.
• 21:06
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's why I'm pushing back on that Cause you know I have a lot to say about JLo on a whole other level.
• 21:11
  Joy: but Now I will say this one of my friends who used to be in the industry oh gosh, years ago, and he was an actor, but he was also a makeup artist and they needed a Latino on the set.
• 21:28
  Joy: So what he did instead of they did not cast a Latino on the set.
• 21:30
  Joy: So what he did, instead of they did not cast a Latino, he actually put makeup on a white guy.
• 21:37
  Carmen Lezeth: That's very common, that's not I mean that happened.
• 21:41
  Joy: Oh gosh, when was Moonlighting on?
• 21:44
  Tony D.: The late 80s.
• 21:47
  Joy: Yeah, billy was on Moonlighting, but that's the kind of era that he was in.
• 21:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I mean, that's part of what theater's gone through too, and even most recently with what is that beautiful man's name, Bradley Cooper, the movie last year.
• 22:00
  Carmen Lezeth: That was fantastic.
• 22:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, he's not Jewish, so they made him look Jewish and he used a prosthetic.
• 22:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think they were trying to make him look Jewish.
• 22:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me back up.
• 22:08
  Carmen Lezeth: They were trying to make him look Jewish.
• 22:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me back up.
• 22:11
  Carmen Lezeth: They were trying to make him look like Mr Bernstein, right, and he had a very pronounced nose because he actually is Jewish.
• 22:15
  Carmen Lezeth: But there was that big controversy right there.
• 22:17
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 22:17
  Carmen Lezeth: And Bradley Cooper was saying it made me feel more like the character and they weren't doing it to be disrespectful, they were doing it so they could really embody the character itself.
• 22:27
  Carmen Lezeth: So now I'm not saying I'm okay with blackface and all the foolishness around that crap, but I'm not surprised that back in the day and even now that they do, these things, like you know, darken people's skin and I mean that's what the whole blackface.
• 22:38
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like Shakespeare.
• 22:39
  Carmen Lezeth: If you read Shakespeare, you heard about any of the plays.
• 22:41
  Carmen Lezeth: You know women were played by men because they wouldn't let women do it.
• 22:45
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 22:46
  Tony D.: It's kind of the same thing that Tony I mean it's kind of the same thing Go ahead, tony, I'm sorry, Rick, I just wanted to get this oh no, I'm good Latoya how you doing?
• 22:53
  Tony D.: How are you doing, mario?
• 22:53
  Tony D.: What's good?
• 22:54
  Tony D.: It's not new that white men have played most characters, anybody of another ethnicity.
• 23:01
  Tony D.: There was a bit of an issue, which you said about the Portuguese man playing Jesus.
• 23:04
  Tony D.: Okay, cool.
• 23:05
  Tony D.: The only problem that I have with it is the demographic of where they had Jesus from.
• 23:12
  Tony D.: The people from that area should be the ones playing it.
• 23:13
  Tony D.: If you remember Ten Commandments, most of those characters were white but they were supposed to be Egyptian.
• 23:15
  Tony D.: The movie Egypt faced a little bit of criticism because they didn't have people of the ethnicity of the area, even though they had a diverse cast as far as black folks, white folks and all that other craziness and I say craziness on purpose, because you just didn't have the people that were supposed to be there in the first place.
• 23:28
  Tony D.: There was a real big stink about that, even though it was a good movie.
• 23:30
  Tony D.: It really was a good movie, but there was a big old protest about it.
• 23:34
  Tony D.: I don't think I heard it with the Last Temptation of Christ or the Passionate of Christ.
• 23:39
  Tony D.: I'm not going to talk about Black Jesus, that was on Cartoon Network.
• 23:46
  Tony D.: That was ridiculousness.
• 23:47
  Tony D.: I you're going to play if you're going to have characters, if you're going to do a story about an area.
• 23:50
  Tony D.: Try to find the people of that demographic who are actors and actresses who play those roles honestly.
• 23:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Because there are plenty of them.
• 23:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, Tony.
• 23:57
  Tony D.: Yes, as far as the Barbie situation, the black Barbie thing, I know that came out.
• 24:00
  Tony D.: That was an issue in the 80s.
• 24:02
  Tony D.: They about it, but it did announce that they were going to do one and it was being sold the cabbage patch dolls.
• 24:09
  Tony D.: I do remember that.
• 24:10
  Tony D.: Black heroes in the 80s.
• 24:14
  Tony D.: I remember black voting off the super friends.
• 24:15
  Tony D.: I remember the brown horn we're talking about cartoons again I'm just saying as far as different cultures and different demographics being represented.
• 24:23
  Tony D.: The blind barbie is very interesting to me.
• 24:24
  Tony D.: I did not hear about that at all.
• 24:25
  Tony D.: Yeah, that was pretty good.
• 24:27
  Tony D.: So and the people with disabilities I think they did something with the Cabbage Patch Kids, some of those cars I think a couple of them might have had limitations, for lack of a better term, to be more sensitive to the situations.
• 24:37
  Tony D.: I think they had somebody in a wheelchair, they had somebody on crutches and all of that.
• 24:40
  Carmen Lezeth: So I understand what you're saying, joy, they do not represent the, I hate to say disabled, but the physically impaired community, if you will, in any shape or form.
• 24:51
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what's so weird?
• 24:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Though they would make so much money, the thing that kills me all these companies are all in it for the profit.
• 24:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's just be honest.
• 24:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Why would you not include as many people as possible to buy your stuff?
• 25:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll tell you that's why it's racism, because why wouldn't you be like?
• 25:05
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I'm a business person.
• 25:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's tap into that black group over there because I'm sure they'd buy some barbies.
• 25:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you know what I mean?
• 25:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not buying one.
• 25:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, if you had a daughter, you would you know what I mean.
• 25:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Like that's what I'm saying.
• 25:16
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like I'm not saying boys can't play with barbies, I'm just saying it doesn't matter what he would buy barbie not.
• 25:19
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not the point.
• 25:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Doofus.
• 25:20
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what he says.
• 25:24
  Carmen Lezeth: He behaves, but he does not I do too.
• 25:26
  Tony D.: You see me, I'm sorry, it's your show.
• 25:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, baby.
• 25:29
  Rick Costa: Well, I was going to say, tony, when you were a kid, did you ever think, ever like, why aren't there many people that look like me on TV when you were a kid?
• 25:36
  Tony D.: No, because they actually were.
• 25:38
  Tony D.: I will For the teenage African-American males in the 80s I'll say for me we had JJ on Good Times and then after that it was Theo on the Kyle B Show, then after that it was Dwayne Wayne on Different World, then it was the first Prince of Bella.
• 25:54
  Tony D.: Those are pretty much our similarities, black characters.
• 25:58
  Tony D.: You had the Jeffersons, you had, I just had somebody else on my head.
• 26:01
  Tony D.: Who else was it?
• 26:01
  Tony D.: I forgot.
• 26:02
  Tony D.: The Jeffersons was pretty much it.
• 26:04
  Tony D.: Diane Carroll faced a lot for being on Dynasty.
• 26:06
  Tony D.: They gave her a lot of praise for being on it because I think she was the only Black character on that show, if I remember.
• 26:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you saying there was no problem when you were growing up?
• 26:13
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm not saying there wasn't a problem.
• 26:16
  Tony D.: They had some form of representation.
• 26:17
  Tony D.: I'm not going to say there wasn't a problem, but there was some form.
• 26:20
  Carmen Lezeth: It wasn't like you didn't have a couple who were Black or you didn't have a, you know like.
• 26:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean there's the tokenism part of it to kind of make sure we're doing what we need to do.
• 26:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Did you say Family Matters?
• 26:34
  Tony D.: I didn't say Family Matters because Family Matters was after me.
• 26:36
  Tony D.: Family Matters actually came out when I was already like in college I wasn't really watching Family Matters.
• 26:40
  Tony D.: I'm really personally, I'm 80s television.
• 26:43
  Tony D.: I'm seriously a lot of 80s television.
• 26:45
  Tony D.: I can do True Repursal, pursuit, avc Television.
• 26:46
  Tony D.: I used to be a beast at it because I watched all of those shows.
• 26:48
  Tony D.: Moonlight and Dusa has a better star galactic than Buck Rogers, matt Locke, jj Starbuck.
• 26:53
  Tony D.: You probably know.
• 26:53
  Carmen Lezeth: All those are white predominantly.
• 26:55
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the point, right?
• 26:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Isn't that the point?
• 26:57
  Rick Costa: That's what I was just thinking, because every show you mentioned was black shows.
• 27:02
  Carmen Lezeth: And the shows that you watched and that I watched growing up, it's because they, first of all, I wasn't like let me find a black show.
• 27:08
  Carmen Lezeth: That wasn't what I was doing.
• 27:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, that wasn't.
• 27:10
  Carmen Lezeth: But, we were gravitating toward what we could relate to and since there wasn't that much, we related to certain shows that had characters that looked like us.
• 27:20
  Carmen Lezeth: But there were other shows.
• 27:21
  Carmen Lezeth: We always talk about shows we loved and watched, and they were mostly white.
• 27:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes they were what inclusivity means and what I think.
• 27:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not speaking for Rick, but when Rick sent me the clip and the topic you want to talk about, it's the breadth of feeling equal.
• 27:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Agreed.
• 27:36
  Carmen Lezeth: We should be able to name.
• 27:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I was thinking about this today.
• 27:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like, I know, if I asked anybody not just you guys, and I'm not trying to test anybody can you name five Asian actors?
• 27:46
  Carmen Lezeth: And you cannot include the one guy everybody who I don't even know what's his name, the one that did all the action stuff, jackie Chan.
• 27:55
  Carmen Lezeth: There's another one.
• 27:55
  Carmen Lezeth: This is the guy who is Without naming him.
• 27:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Can we name five?
• 28:02
  Carmen Lezeth: No, it's not a test, I'm saying maybe you do.
• 28:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I was struggling and I was like, okay, I remember Lucy Liu because she was in Charlie's Angels and then afterwards she was on Elementary.
• 28:16
  Carmen Lezeth: She was like the Watson of Sherlock on Elementary and I follow her on, yeah, bruce Lee, thank you, melanie.
• 28:22
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what I think about.
• 28:23
  Carmen Lezeth: That's everyone's go to Right.
• 28:25
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I thought about Lisa Ling, and the reason why I know who Lisa Ling is is because I used to mess up her name all the time.
• 28:31
  Carmen Lezeth: And she's not an actor, she's a journalist who was on the View, but she's actually a journalist.
• 28:35
  Carmen Lezeth: And then she had a show on CNN or whatever she does it, on National Geographic stuff.
• 28:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, she does the in-depth reporting stuff and whatever right.
• 28:41
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I was thinking and I was really struggling.
• 28:48
  Carmen Lezeth: All Asian Michelle Yeoh, is that how you say her last name?
• 28:50
  Tony D.: I was getting ready to say her name because she was on Star Trek and the guy from Goonies, I can never remember his name.
• 28:54
  Cynthia: Who?
• 28:55
  Rick Costa: The Asian kid from Goonies.
• 28:57
  Cynthia: I forgot his name.
• 28:58
  Rick Costa: Oh, he's the one that was in the Loki show too.
• 29:00
  Cynthia: Yes, yes, yes.
• 29:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I remember Awkwafina.
• 29:12
  Tony D.: Awkwafina was the name I was going to bring, but you see, if I said let's name five, can you name five white actors?
• 29:13
  Tony D.: It doesn't take long.
• 29:14
  Carmen Lezeth: You're correct, that's right, but we, even though I think we're very aware and very knowledgeable about the situation, that's how you know we're still not there yet.
• 29:23
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm going to say this I will, I will.
• 29:25
  Cynthia: Here's the thing.
• 29:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I will, I will.
• 29:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the thing.
• 29:48
  Carmen Lezeth: It doesn't mean anyone's doing anything bad.
• 29:51
  Carmen Lezeth: It just means it's so ingrained in us that the only thing that matters, or that is right or correct or the best way to be, is if it's white and everything else we're like, oh my God.
• 30:01
  Carmen Lezeth: That is why Black Panther was an amazing movie, because you got to watch people of color and everyone watched it.
• 30:08
  Carmen Lezeth: That's right, right, oh, it's right over left.
• 30:09
  Carmen Lezeth: So here's the thing you got to watch a movie where, joy, we're doing the Wakanda Forever hand signal thing.
• 30:17
  Carmen Lezeth: So I said right over left, but here's the thing is that was a great movie because, for the first time whatever it is for the first time we watched a movie about a story with people who happened to be black.
• 30:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, it wasn't like oh my God, finally, a rom-com with black people.
• 30:35
  Carmen Lezeth: No, this was actually a story about people that we were all intrigued by who happened to be black.
• 30:41
  Carmen Lezeth: It was fantastic.
• 30:43
  Tony D.: It was a story of black people who had control of where they were and they were in their own power.
• 30:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, that's the deeper part of it, though I'm just saying the reason why I think white people enjoyed it so much is because they could relate to the story and they didn't have to try to connect to black folk.
• 30:59
  Tony D.: I think they were the white people that I know, and I will say that just on purpose.
• 31:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't leave out a few.
• 31:07
  Tony D.: I'm not saying that, but I mean there were some people who did not like the movie.
• 31:09
  Tony D.: They didn't get as much out of it as others.
• 31:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but most people in the world loved it, so I don't know who your white friends are.
• 31:14
  Tony D.: Can you let me finish, thank you.
• 31:15
  Tony D.: People I was talking to and dealing with.
• 31:17
  Tony D.: They enjoyed the movie for the story.
• 31:19
  Tony D.: They enjoyed that it wasn't negative against Black folks, which is the one thing Black folks were emphasizing.
• 31:24
  Tony D.: We finally looked like we were in situation, we had control of our situation, we showed some force of power, we weren't submissive.
• 31:30
  Tony D.: I think we talked about this last year on the show too, when I spoke on Black Panther.
• 31:35
  Tony D.: We finally looked like we had some respect, we had some dignity, we had some control, we had some power.
• 31:37
  Tony D.: Of course, they were the more dominant with what they had, but it wasn't negative, it wasn't stereotypical, it wasn't jigaboo-ish All of that craziness, I think you're giving white people a lot of credit.
• 31:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I would like to give them that much credit.
• 31:51
  Tony D.: No, these are the people that I was talking to.
• 31:53
  Carmen Lezeth: yes, your people, okay, but this is what I'm trying to say and this isn't a bad thing.
• 31:56
  Carmen Lezeth: White people get upset because they think like and I'm not saying all white people, I'm not saying all white people, I'm just saying in my experience, certain white people that I know or have been around or there is a they have in their head what a black man is supposed to look like.
• 32:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, we've all grown up with the idea of you're supposed to be scared from black people when they're walking down the street or whatever.
• 32:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, the gangster guys, all black men, are gangsters or whatever.
• 32:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, that's what we grew up in the eighties and nineties thinking.
• 32:20
  Carmen Lezeth: So the idea that a black man with dark skin and dark features, not mixed, could be a doctor, could be a lawyer.
• 32:28
  Carmen Lezeth: That was the Cosby show.
• 32:29
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean, like when you can see people who are affluent and doing well.
• 32:32
  Carmen Lezeth: And no offense to Sanford and Son, but the reason why that show worked is because he was still doing the gesture Joel, right, he was doing the comedy.
• 32:38
  Carmen Lezeth: No offense to whatever his name was, I forgot Red Fox, but right, that was his name.
• 32:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Red Fox, right, but that's what I'm trying to say.
• 32:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Still, in that place, where a black man.
• 32:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I said this last week it still kills me to this day that a black man was tap dancing for Shirley Temple.
• 32:58
  Carmen Lezeth: It will always kill me.
• 32:58
  Carmen Lezeth: This man was an exquisite dancer, but the reason why he got the role or whatever is because he played basically the kind of I don't know what the word is, I don't want to say it, but I mean I know what it is.
• 33:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to say clown to Shirley Temple, a little white girl and like he was there to serve her, and I will always hate that and I, growing up, that's what pissed me off those things.
• 33:15
  Carmen Lezeth: So I agree with you with Black Panther to a certain extent, but I also think I want to get to that place where we can watch movies about people Like the Color Purple is another one.
• 33:23
  Carmen Lezeth: You watch a movie that is a story and Black people are bringing their culture their thing, but it's not a dismissive movie about being whatever it is.
• 33:32
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why everybody got so upset when Oprah's character was put in jail for doing exactly what any white person would have done.
• 33:38
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why people got upset.
• 33:39
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 33:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, let me read these.
• 33:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, rick, I'm now going to shut up for the next 25 minutes, that's it, I am, I am.
• 33:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to do it.
• 33:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to do it.
• 33:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I wound up in Spanish-speaking homes.
• 33:50
  Carmen Lezeth: They had Spanish channels, so I saw people who spoke my language, but even then the big roles were played by European-looking actors, Of course.
• 33:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And then she continues.
• 33:59
  Carmen Lezeth: She's letting us know Skinned actors were always the help, the villains or the comedic.
• 34:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Comedic relief yes, Colorism is very prevalent.
• 34:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Mario said John Chu Daniel Day Kim him.
• 34:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Mario said john chu daniel day kim, he's just naming asian people.
• 34:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, show off, he's googling, I'm just kidding.
• 34:16
  Carmen Lezeth: He played the minstrel, that's right that he did to shirley temple and and because I was a dancer, I'm sorry, because I am a dancer, I'm not gonna let that go.
• 34:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Um, I remember watching that in the reruns or whatever, and being completely disgusted, not by him, but that the work he could get was doing that.
• 34:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Bravo to him because he broke doors, broke ceilings and whatever to help other people.
• 34:39
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know what I'm saying.
• 34:39
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, it is 48 minutes.
• 34:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not talking for 20 more minutes at all.
• 34:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, rick, your show.
• 34:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm done.
• 34:46
  Rick Costa: Yeah, right, bye Latoya.
• 34:47
  Rick Costa: Good to see you.
• 34:48
  Rick Costa: Thanks for coming, latoya.
• 34:49
  Rick Costa: Be quiet.
• 34:49
  Rick Costa: Yeah, right, bye Latoya.
• 34:50
  Rick Costa: Good to see you.
• 34:51
  Rick Costa: Thanks for coming, latoya.
• 34:52
  Rick Costa: But um, cynthia, I think you were starting to say something before and then I started talking over you a little bit, do you remember?
• 34:59
  Cynthia: I really don't remember.
• 35:02
  Rick Costa: But like I don't have a, I think it's cool and I love it actually, that there's shows that, like Tony ran down a list of you know all the shows are black shows.
• 35:08
  Rick Costa: My thing is why can't we have a mix like Star Trek?
• 35:11
  Rick Costa: Why don't we have more of that?
• 35:13
  Rick Costa: Why isn't that just considered normal, like real life?
• 35:18
  Carmen Lezeth: It always comes back to sci-fi.
• 35:19
  Tony D.: See.
• 35:23
  Rick Costa: Oh my gosh, why can't we be more Real life?
• 35:27
  Rick Costa: You're going to encounter all different kinds of people.
• 35:29
  Rick Costa: Why can't?
• 35:29
  Tony D.: we have shows, look at this show.
• 35:32
  Rick Costa: Hello.
• 35:34
  Cynthia: Come on, we got a great group of different people, different backgrounds.
• 35:38
  Tony D.: One of the more diverse movies that had the mix of races and race wasn't an issue.
• 35:42
  Tony D.: The Warriors which one?
• 35:45
  Tony D.: The Warriors, the movie about the gang that had to go through New York.
• 35:48
  Tony D.: After that.
• 35:49
  Tony D.: They were a diverse crew, which was reality.
• 35:51
  Tony D.: It really was reality.
• 35:53
  Tony D.: Exactly, Maury, I already know.
• 35:56
  Tony D.: But the diversity, we've been talking about it for a while.
• 35:57
  Tony D.: They've been trying to push it forever.
• 35:59
  Tony D.: Sometimes it was true, Sometimes it worked, Other times it didn't.
• 36:01
  Tony D.: I mean, when they tried to put it on Beverly Hills 90210, they didn't last three episodes.
• 36:04
  Tony D.: I don't think other than that.
• 36:08
  Tony D.: That's pretty much it.
• 36:09
  Tony D.: They've been trying, they're going to make the effort.
• 36:10
  Tony D.: It's going to be about whether or not the audience gravitates to it or not.
• 36:13
  Tony D.: Honestly, Some people want to see what they want to see and you don't want to necessarily see a mix without having some type of controversy.
• 36:19
  Tony D.: Like you said with Star Trek when they had the interracial kiss biggest thing in the news man.
• 36:24
  Tony D.: It's out there and it's been there In the real, has been there In real world.
• 36:28
  Tony D.: It's only an issue because people have made it an issue.
• 36:30
  Tony D.: Kids don't care.
• 36:31
  Tony D.: Teenagers will not care.
• 36:34
  Tony D.: People that get around each other and enjoy being around each other will not care.
• 36:36
  Tony D.: It's only an issue if they make it one, and that's the truth.
• 36:38
  Rick Costa: Yeah, there was literal channels.
• 36:40
  Rick Costa: When that show came out with Uhura, kiss and Kirk, they were like we're not showing that episode unless you take that out.
• 36:45
  Rick Costa: And they didn't.
• 36:47
  Rick Costa: They wouldn't show it.
• 36:47
  Rick Costa: Wow, what's up.
• 36:49
  Tony D.: Joy, how you doing mom is biting her lips.
• 36:51
  Tony D.: She's gonna blow a gasket.
• 36:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at her that's not even true, like not even true at all, let me see.
• 37:05
  Tony D.: I did want to ask joy how she was doing, because we haven't talked to her in most.
• 37:07
  Joy: If you all didn't mind oh goodness, I'm doing a lot there.
• 37:10
  Joy: I've actually got my voice back so, yeah, how about cynthia?
• 37:15
  Rick Costa: when you were little, did you ever feel like you know where's the spanish people at besides the telenovelas?
• 37:20
  Cynthia: and already it's pretty much the only place I ever saw them yeah to be honest, and you know, I only watched them when with my mom, when I was little.
• 37:28
  Rick Costa: So and did it make you feel a certain type of way Because it was either white or Spanish?
• 37:33
  Cynthia: No, because I mean it was a different time, so she'd go and watch her novella.
• 37:37
  Cynthia: Sometimes I'd watch it, sometimes I'd be outside.
• 37:39
  Cynthia: I didn't really pay attention to any of that growing up, you know, because I grew up in Jamaica Plain, which was mostly Latinos at the time.
• 37:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Remember they used to call it Jamaica Spain.
• 37:52
  Cynthia: And you know I'm always outside playing.
• 37:53
  Cynthia: So yeah, that's true.
• 37:55
  Rick Costa: The eighties it's different time, for sure, different time for sure.
• 37:58
  Rick Costa: Do you all think that we're getting a lot better now as far as representation in media?
• 38:05
  Joy: I think it's better than it was.
• 38:07
  Joy: It definitely has room for improvement.
• 38:10
  Joy: And, going back to the actors and the movies and stuff, a lot of people with disabilities that you see on TV or in movies, those are able, able-bodied people playing people with disabilities, except on 9-1-1.
• 38:27
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, there's a show 9-1-1.
• 38:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I was shocked.
• 38:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I looked up the entire cast and he actually is.
• 38:32
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a show 9-1-1.
• 38:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I was shocked.
• 38:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I looked up the entire cast and he actually is.
• 38:35
  Carmen Lezeth: It's.
• 38:35
  Carmen Lezeth: What's his name?
• 38:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Son he's actually I don't know what his, oh, he has.
• 38:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what his thing is.
• 38:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Cerebral palsy, cerebral palsy.
• 38:44
  Cynthia: So you know, he obviously has it in real life, so in the show they put it in.
• 38:48
  Cynthia: Yeah.
• 38:52
  Carmen Lezeth: He's a very good actor.
• 38:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Amazing actor, that's awesome yeah.
• 38:55
  Tony D.: I definitely see the representation but I agree there is room for improvement.
• 38:58
  Tony D.: But it's being done Based on that clip you had with that movie Shang-Chi.
• 39:00
  Tony D.: That was very big in the Asian community.
• 39:02
  Tony D.: A lot of the Marvel shows recently have been representative of the Asian at Ms Marvel.
• 39:08
  Tony D.: You look at Shang-Chi.
• 39:09
  Tony D.: I think it was when they were over there in Asia what's the name that's?
• 39:14
  Tony D.: Over there she started the organized crime.
• 39:16
  Tony D.: You know what I'm talking about.
• 39:17
  Tony D.: Rick, wasn't Ms Marvel?
• 39:18
  Tony D.: No, a Marvel show.
• 39:19
  Rick Costa: I mean it was a Marvel show.
• 39:20
  Rick Costa: Oh, that reminds me too.
• 39:22
  Rick Costa: Echo, that was a deaf woman, was the main star of the show.
• 39:25
  Rick Costa: She's for real deaf.
• 39:26
  Rick Costa: I never watch Echo.
• 39:27
  Rick Costa: She's for real deaf.
• 39:34
  Rick Costa: That's the word, right there.
• 39:34
  Rick Costa: I'm sorry.
• 39:35
  Rick Costa: She's for real deaf, not for fake deaf.
• 39:35
  Rick Costa: She's for real deaf.
• 39:36
  Tony D.: That's going to be a clip, and I'm going to live that down never.
• 39:39
  Tony D.: You have never lived that down, you have never lived that down.
• 39:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Come on, that was a good one, like you didn't mean to be, but you were.
• 39:45
  Rick Costa: That's cool too, because I love watching the making of type stuff.
• 39:48
  Rick Costa: Everybody on the set, like everybody, not just the actors they all learn sign language for her, so I just communicate with her.
• 39:54
  Rick Costa: So I was like that's so cool, that's really really cool wasn't there a movie coda that was oh yeah, didn't it win?
• 40:02
  Carmen Lezeth: yeah, it was nominated, but I thought it won the oscar they did win.
• 40:04
  Cynthia: They did win, yeah, and it was mostly sign language and the cast had to learn sign language and everything so again, okay, okay, that's great.
• 40:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just going to say this again Can we name five movies that were made about politics, right?
• 40:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Or can we name five movies that were made about the Holocaust or war or whatever?
• 40:24
  Carmen Lezeth: We could all figure it out pretty quickly right?
• 40:26
  Carmen Lezeth: So again, it goes back to that thing that we remember these because there were specific things about them that made them noticeable.
• 40:33
  Carmen Lezeth: And what I want to get to and I don't think we will in my, in my time I want to get to a place where there's so many, you know, I mean that we're not talking about color or disability or ethnicity, we're just talking about oh, my god, that movie was so great.
• 40:47
  Carmen Lezeth: We're not saying, oh, but he was deaf, a for real deaf person, oh God, I'm going to say that all the time, oh man.
• 41:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Creed 2 and 3.
• 41:01
  Carmen Lezeth: What's Creed 2 and 3?
• 41:02
  Tony D.: Creed 2 and 3.
• 41:03
  Tony D.: That's the one they redid, the.
• 41:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Stallone movies yeah.
• 41:07
  Tony D.: Right, michael B Jordan was playing out Apollo Creed Good story, Real good story.
• 41:14
  Rick Costa: And the Eternals movie that Mario brought up too.
• 41:15
  Rick Costa: That was great.
• 41:16
  Rick Costa: That was very representative All over the board.
• 41:20
  Tony D.: I was just watching that last night.
• 41:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I remember going to that movie With my goddaughter Juliana, and I don't even remember it.
• 41:27
  Carmen Lezeth: No, it was the one with Angelina Jolie, right?
• 41:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I really I wasn't impressed by it either.
• 41:32
  Carmen Lezeth: It was okay, what, hmm?
• 41:33
  Carmen Lezeth: No, it was the one with, um, angelina jolie, right?
• 41:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, I just, I, I really we just I wasn't impressed by it either.
• 41:36
  Cynthia: It was okay what I wasn't impressed by it either.
• 41:39
  Tony D.: Yeah, every time I watched it, I was catching something.
• 41:43
  Tony D.: The second time I was catching something else.
• 41:45
  Tony D.: The third time I see what they're doing.
• 41:47
  Tony D.: They're they're continuing the story.
• 41:48
  Tony D.: You don't?
• 41:49
  Carmen Lezeth: have to watch it that many times to see what they're doing.
• 41:51
  Tony D.: I'm just saying you get the original premise of it, but there's a key to what they're doing with the whole Marvel franchise as they go through.
• 41:58
  Tony D.: It's another phase.
• 42:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I like watching movies on their own and not having.
• 42:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying like if I have to do that much work watching a movie, it's not doing what it needs to do for me.
• 42:06
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean?
• 42:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, I want to ask Joy, are you a Marvel fan?
• 42:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I've never asked you that question.
• 42:12
  Joy: I'm real hot.
• 42:13
  Joy: You're what my daughter?
• 42:16
  Carmen Lezeth: is there's no crime in it.
• 42:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I just don't want us talking about it.
• 42:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I want any reason to stop these guys from talking about it.
• 42:25
  Joy: Let me totally change the subject Wait, wait, wait.
• 42:28
  Carmen Lezeth: You can change the subject if you talk into your speaker, because you keep going in and out.
• 42:32
  Joy: I don't know why it's doing that.
• 42:34
  Carmen Lezeth: It's kind of weird, but now you're better because you moved a little closer and you still look fine in the frame.
• 42:38
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm just saying, maybe it's because when we talk we go in and out like we move around, you know.
• 42:50
  Joy: But go ahead.
• 42:51
  Rick Costa: Change the floor.
• 42:52
  Joy: Rick, the cruise that I was on was on the carnival celebration.
• 42:58
  Joy: It was the May 5th cruise and if you watch any type of travel stuff, you heard about our group, because I was on a group called all pause on deck Pause.
• 43:11
  Tony D.: Pause Like for pause, I was on a group called All.
• 43:12
  Joy: Paws on Deck Paws Paws Like four paws.
• 43:14
  Joy: This was a group for blind people and a lot of the people on the cruise.
• 43:20
  Joy: There was 37 guide dogs, so in total we had 67 blind people on this cruise.
• 43:26
  Rick Costa: Wow, oh my God, that's awesome.
• 43:29
  Joy: So, and normally you may see one or two people you know every few months on a cruise that is blind, but there was 67 of us on this cruise.
• 43:38
  Joy: Carnival did an absolutely amazing job.
• 43:43
  Joy: I completely changed my mind about Carnival, because you hear all these things and see all the crazy videos of everything going on on a Carnival cruise.
• 43:53
  Joy: There was no incidents.
• 43:55
  Joy: There was a few people that did not like the guide dogs being on the cruise, but because Carnival has to be ADA compliant, they did an amazing job of including us in everything the staff, the crew members.
• 44:13
  Joy: They had several meetings on training their staff.
• 44:17
  Joy: The crew member would stop and ask us if we needed help, if we needed assistance and come up, grab our arm and say, hey, come on, I'll show you where it is.
• 44:26
  Joy: They asked if we needed assistance.
• 44:28
  Joy: If we did, we said we did.
• 44:31
  Carmen Lezeth: If we didn't, everything was fine, okay, but, joy, can you explain for people like myself who don't have someone in their life, who has a disability, with somebody who's blind, why is that so important?
• 44:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You said it so emphatically and to me I wouldn't have even thought any different.
• 44:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Like if I saw you walking and I thought you were going the wrong way, I would come up to you and say, oh, excuse me, let me show you how to do it.
• 44:50
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I grabbed you by the elbow, which is what I was taught, or whatever, but can you explain to people why it's more important to ask before just doing, even though they mean well?
• 45:00
  Joy: Right, and a lot of people do mean well.
• 45:03
  Joy: However, if you would come up and just grab someone's arm and say, oh, you're going the wrong way, or let me help you cross the street, I don't know you and you don't know if I need help or not, you assume, because I'm blind, that I will need help, but a lot of blind people don't, and we are all different, all different abilities.
• 45:29
  Joy: We are all versed in travel and when we use our cane, that's our eyes.
• 45:35
  Joy: Now, granted, my poor cane is beat up on the bottom because I've run into stuff.
• 45:41
  Joy: That's why my cane is there.
• 45:44
  Tony D.: I'm sorry, joanne, that was funny.
• 45:45
  Tony D.: I'm sorry the way you said that was funny.
• 45:46
  Carmen Lezeth: She said it, it was kind of funny, but it's also real and something we don't hear about.
• 45:50
  Joy: We need to know, so if you think someone is blind and you think they may need assistance, just simply ask them.
• 45:58
  Joy: Don't touch them, don't grab the cane, which I've had people do.
• 46:03
  Joy: Oh my God, yeah, and it's funny because there's been times I would have had to stand and do just training and listening for traffic and people would just naturally assume that I needed to cross the street and I would say, no, I'm just waiting on someone.
• 46:18
  Joy: And sometimes I was just waiting on someone or waiting on an Uber.
• 46:20
  Joy: But you know, people a lot of times do mean well, but if I don't know you, please don't just come up and grab my arm, because I don't know who you are, where you're trying to take me.
• 46:34
  Joy: So it's just nice to say hi, do you need assistance?
• 46:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Can I ask you or can I make a statement and you tell me if I'm wrong?
• 46:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel like, even though people mean well, they're still thinking about themselves more than they're thinking about you, because when I say you, I mean people who have a disability, whatever the disability is.
• 46:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that people sometimes want to have that savior feeling.
• 46:59
  Carmen Lezeth: It feels good to help people, right.
• 47:00
  Carmen Lezeth: We, like people, pretend that helping people is really about other people, but it's really about us.
• 47:04
  Carmen Lezeth: We feel good when we can help another person, right.
• 47:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But when you do that and you're not being considerate of the person you think you're going to help, it can go the other way and I think we do that, and I'm including myself in that we do that because we really do want to help and we think we're helping, but we're doing it really because we think we should and we're not thinking you know what I mean Like we think, like that's, we're supposed to help the poor, needy, disabled person, and the fact is, any disabled person that I know or I don't is that the right terminology, by the way, to say disabled?
• 47:34
  Joy: Challenged it can.
• 47:36
  Joy: And I'll tell you this in the disability community people's going to get offended if you say disabled, handicapped.
• 47:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, right, right.
• 47:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay.
• 47:46
  Carmen Lezeth: So you know I mean no disrespect, but my point is we always think there's some weakness in people who have any impairment whatsoever, any disability whatsoever.
• 47:54
  Carmen Lezeth: And the fact is, from my personal experience, any person that I think has a disability is usually far better off than I am, because they know the world in a very different way and understand it better, and they're not like this isn't their first rodeo.
• 48:10
  Carmen Lezeth: They know how to cross the street, they know like and they'll ask, ask, just like I will ask for help.
• 48:16
  Carmen Lezeth: People who have disabilities or impairments will also ask for help.
• 48:20
  Carmen Lezeth: So if they're going to go up to any random person and be like, let me grab you by the arm and walk you through, then don't do it to someone you think you think is blind or whatever it is.
• 48:30
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean like and's.
• 48:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I learned that lesson the hard way, cause I did the same thing.
• 48:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I went to try to help someone cause I thought they needed help, and who did?
• 48:38
  Carmen Lezeth: They give me a learning lesson, never forget.
• 48:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Cause he was not shy, he was in the wheelchair.
• 48:43
  Carmen Lezeth: He was not shy, I mean, he was like bitch.
• 48:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't need your help.
• 48:47
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I'm grateful for it.
• 48:54
  Carmen Lezeth: It was great because it was like okay, sorry, sorry, you know what I mean like I wasn't even mad at him, but I'm sure he had gotten his full so many times of people thinking he needed help.
• 48:59
  Joy: Oh yeah, yeah I know one one for me is like public restrooms, and especially in large airports any as a large restroom.
• 49:11
  Joy: Don't if you, if you don't ever go to my new restrooms in the airport.
• 49:14
  Joy: Just I was trying to find the sinks and this sweet little lady grabs my arm and leads me out the door oh my god, I'm sorry.
• 49:28
  Joy: Like okay, I'm not cleaning, I am sanitizer.
• 49:31
  Joy: But to give a little different, perspective any.
• 49:33
  Rick Costa: Any woman that's been pregnant?
• 49:34
  Rick Costa: How many women I'm sorry, Like okay, I'm not cleaning, I hand sanitizer To give a little different perspective any woman that's been pregnant?
• 49:39
  Rick Costa: How many women hate it when somebody just thinks they could put their hand on their stomach?
• 49:41
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I did not tell you you could do that and it's the same thing.
• 49:44
  Rick Costa: You don't just grab me.
• 49:45
  Rick Costa: Who are you?
• 49:46
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a weird thing I've never understood why people think they could touch anybody's body without permission.
• 49:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I've never understood why people think they could touch anybody's body without permission.
• 49:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I've had people I'm just gonna say straight up, white people go and be like touching my hair.
• 49:59
  Carmen Lezeth: That happened in grammar school and it happened in college.
• 50:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Like thinking they were like, oh my god, your hair's so pretty.
• 50:01
  Carmen Lezeth: But then, but like doing it as they're touching my hair, like what the hell is wrong with you people.
• 50:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me just say hi to bobby stamps.
• 50:09
  Tony D.: Bobby Stamps.
• 50:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Great group here.
• 50:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Wow, flashbacks.
• 50:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I guess there's half the people in the house.
• 50:17
  Carmen Lezeth: We're not doing word of the day, because we're talking about joy.
• 50:22
  Rick Costa: And Alma said earlier, you can't assume they want your help.
• 50:24
  Rick Costa: You have to respect them and their personal space, exactly.
• 50:27
  Carmen Lezeth: She also said that's a lot of dog poop.
• 50:29
  Tony D.: I was going to skip that one.
• 50:33
  Carmen Lezeth: We have to tell Joy about that, because that's when you were talking about the cruise and people being upset that they were dog.
• 50:37
  Carmen Lezeth: What's the right terminology?
• 50:39
  Rick Costa: Service dogs.
• 50:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, service dogs right, she said that's a lot of dog poop.
• 50:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, Cynthia.
• 50:47
  Cynthia: Good Joy.
• 50:48
  Cynthia: I actually saw videos of certain cruise lines that have specific areas for people who have service dogs to use the restrooms and stuff like that.
• 50:57
  Cynthia: You know, do they have certain areas for your dogs?
• 51:00
  Joy: They did.
• 51:00
  Joy: A lot of us on the cruise actually had balconies.
• 51:04
  Joy: So what they would do?
• 51:05
  Joy: They actually removed some of the furniture on the balcony and put a litter box on the balcony and put a litter box on the balcony.
• 51:12
  Joy: Different decks, especially deck seven, had, I think, two or three large litter boxes.
• 51:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm confused by the litter boxing.
• 51:19
  Carmen Lezeth: You guys had cats For the dogs.
• 51:21
  Carmen Lezeth: When the dogs have to go, Will they go?
• 51:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Do the dogs go in the litter box?
• 51:26
  Joy: Reluctantly, but yes Okay.
• 51:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying clearly I don't have a dog, so I was confused, but okay got it.
• 51:31
  Carmen Lezeth: They were looking for trees Right.
• 51:36
  Carmen Lezeth: They should have planted a tree in every area.
• 51:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, so this was what cruise line Carnival?
• 51:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Did they have a bad name or something?
• 51:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Because you seemed emphatic about saying you were happy.
• 51:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't cruise.
• 51:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia's going on a cruise in two weeks, or one week, two weeks, three weeks.
• 51:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't do cruises, so I'm confused.
• 51:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Is Carnival a bad cruise company?
• 51:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Clearly not.
• 51:57
  Joy: Carnival had a reputation of a lot of drug use, a lot of pot smoking and a lot of fight.
• 52:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Joy, hold on one second.
• 52:04
  Carmen Lezeth: We lost for some reason Rick I guess he's like it was my show.
• 52:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Hold on, I got to find them.
• 52:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know where he is.
• 52:13
  Carmen Lezeth: He got kicked out of his own show.
• 52:15
  Carmen Lezeth: He said it was my show.
• 52:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Bitch, hold on, I got to find him.
• 52:19
  Cynthia: I don't know where he is.
• 52:20
  Rick Costa: What happened?
• 52:20
  Rick Costa: Am I here?
• 52:21
  Rick Costa: Am I here?
• 52:21
  Rick Costa: Hello, is that gone for real, for real.
• 52:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Joy, I'm so sorry, but somehow he just jumped off Like ultimately it is my show.
• 52:33
  Carmen Lezeth: It's hard.
• 52:33
  Rick Costa: I didn't do that on purpose, I didn't know what happened I have no idea what happened.
• 52:37
  Rick Costa: But no, I agree with Joy that the thing that I've always heard was they were a big party, party, party, cruise line.
• 52:44
  Rick Costa: If you want to party hard, you ride a carnival.
• 52:46
  Rick Costa: That's what I always heard.
• 52:47
  Rick Costa: Well, I don't know.
• 52:48
  Rick Costa: Carmen's 10, 12.
• 52:50
  Carmen Lezeth: It's an hour and four minutes, I'm letting you do what you need to do.
• 52:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Now that we know what's done, look at him.
• 52:55
  Carmen Lezeth: He's like bitch, please.
• 52:58
  Rick Costa: I did not say that.
• 52:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, because you would not.
• 53:03
  Tony D.: I was waiting for Rick to say.
• 53:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I did not use that word.
• 53:05
  Carmen Lezeth: He'll use a different word for that word.
• 53:06
  Carmen Lezeth: He'll say some other word.
• 53:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Instead of mother effer he'll be like mother flower or something that's a whole nother topic.
• 53:13
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a whole nother topic, but all right, so I'm not going to jump off yet because I have some other things.
• 53:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to ask, tony, how was your week?
• 53:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Did you find a piece of joy this week at all?
• 53:25
  Tony D.: My week was good.
• 53:25
  Tony D.: Don't let me know he's going to sleep, okay, so you know what's happening right now.
• 53:27
  Tony D.: You talking really loud.
• 53:28
  Carmen Lezeth: You put the thing next to you and you talk even lower.
• 53:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't hear you.
• 53:33
  Carmen Lezeth: You can't hear you.
• 53:37
  Tony D.: I took my volume up.
• 53:38
  Tony D.: How was that?
• 53:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I think he thinks he's sexy or something when he's talking.
• 53:42
  Tony D.: I've been told that.
• 53:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me fucking talk, bitch.
• 53:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to go up and speak it on him.
• 53:49
  Tony D.: Let's get it on him.
• 53:49
  Tony D.: He got that Barry.
• 53:49
  Carmen Lezeth: White.
• 53:50
  Joy: He wanted to be Barry the stage I want to be on the stage.
• 53:52
  Rick Costa: Let's get it on.
• 53:53
  Joy: He got that Barry White.
• 53:54
  Carmen Lezeth: He tried to be Barry White, but Barry White would let his bravado show.
• 53:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
• 53:59
  Tony D.: I mean he tried to be low.
• 54:00
  Tony D.: I know why.
• 54:00
  Tony D.: Can't get enough of your love, baby, we know you can't sing but A$AP.
• 54:06
  Tony D.: I bet you're the part of people who love my karaoke.
• 54:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, remember, you guys used to do karaoke on whatchamacallit.
• 54:13
  Carmen Lezeth: How come you don't do karaoke, tony, on?
• 54:16
  Tony D.: your show.
• 54:17
  Tony D.: I remember on the other half of it on.
• 54:18
  Tony D.: I didn't do it a lot more because as I watched the replay I was not satisfied with my voice.
• 54:21
  Tony D.: I don't talk about it too much anymore.
• 54:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, you touched a nerve there.
• 54:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, you don't like your voice.
• 54:29
  Tony D.: No, I thought I sounded it.
• 54:30
  Tony D.: I thought I sounded it and then I watched a week out with Jesus.
• 54:32
  Tony D.: That was terrible, but we did have a good follow.
• 54:34
  Tony D.: We had fun doing it.
• 54:35
  Tony D.: Everybody told me not to take it so serious, but I was trying to and I see my flaws, I see my age.
• 54:41
  Tony D.: I've heard a change in my voice since I thought I had one.
• 54:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Why don't you?
• 54:49
  Tony D.: just embrace it Because I lips, lips etc.
• 54:51
  Tony D.: I love it when she licks her lips.
• 54:52
  Tony D.: See me jacking her little lips with her hips because I'm watching Conversations on the phone until the break of dawn.
• 54:56
  Tony D.: Now we all know A lot of lights on.
• 54:57
  Tony D.: Turn them off, kind of set it off, kind of wait until something's on your mind.
• 55:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Let it off of my offices and I was like I heard the first tone of something and it reminded me.
• 55:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I thought it was hip hop, hip it to, the hip it to the hip, hip hop one stop.
• 55:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Rock it to the bang bang.
• 55:18
  Tony D.: Look at me right.
• 55:18
  Tony D.: Yeah, we love Scooby Doo, but guess what?
• 55:22
  Carmen Lezeth: America, we love you.
• 55:23
  Carmen Lezeth: We can rock and roll, I forget.
• 55:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Anyway, I was singing it and all these millennials and people were like Mike you know that song.
• 55:34
  Tony D.: I remember when it came out.
• 55:35
  Tony D.: That's how old I am.
• 55:36
  Carmen Lezeth: What, what, what.
• 55:37
  Tony D.: I remember when the song came out.
• 55:41
  Carmen Lezeth: They made it sound like there was something that like a miracle that I knew the words or whatever.
• 55:44
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like any song that you grow up listening to and loving you.
• 55:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Just you know what I mean.
• 55:49
  Carmen Lezeth: That's when I knew I was.
• 55:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just old.
• 55:52
  Rick Costa: How is that oh?
• 55:52
  Carmen Lezeth: my God.
• 55:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but Tony, I hate to bitch about the mic thing, but somehow this still is not working.
• 56:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Am I the only one being like why is this not working?
• 56:02
  Cynthia: No, he's talking low on purpose because he's got the mic up to his face.
• 56:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Because he's behaving.
• 56:07
  Rick Costa: Because Jason went to bed.
• 56:08
  Joy: Is that what you're?
• 56:09
  Carmen Lezeth: doing.
• 56:09
  Cynthia: Yeah, okay, well, all right, whatever?
• 56:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, we already know what happened to you this week Fabulous.
• 56:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Does everyone in the office know Joy wasn't here.
• 56:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Joy Cynthia interviewed for a job that she's always wanted.
• 56:21
  Carmen Lezeth: That's in the death field.
• 56:22
  Carmen Lezeth: That's all I'm going to say.
• 56:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what is it?
• 56:24
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a pathology, a death person like personal stuff.
• 56:30
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what I call it.
• 56:31
  Carmen Lezeth: So this is a step in the right direction.
• 56:33
  Carmen Lezeth: So she got the job today.
• 56:34
  Carmen Lezeth: So she's very excited.
• 56:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Does everyone in the office know some people?
• 56:37
  Cynthia: know, I haven't, I haven't told everyone yet yeah, okay.
• 56:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, we know they watch the show, so they'll hear it anyways um, joy, what was great that happened this week to you.
• 56:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I got my voice back.
• 56:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you gonna come on the show more often?
• 56:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to.
• 56:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, okay, good, because you know.
• 56:56
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the only reason why I don't bother you, because I know you've had a lot on your plate and you've been traveling a lot, and your mom.
• 57:00
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean, so you're always welcome.
• 57:02
  Carmen Lezeth: You just text me, let me know and I'm not going to send you a link all the time to me why you can't come on.
• 57:08
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm like girl, please, you know what I mean.
• 57:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Like it's all good, you don't need to answer to me for nothing.
• 57:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Like when I start paying you, then we might have some issues.
• 57:16
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not today, baby.
• 57:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, mario and Alma.
• 57:21
  Cynthia: Wait, what did they say?
• 57:22
  Cynthia: They're congratulating me, oh yeah.
• 57:25
  Carmen Lezeth: They were here at the beginning.
• 57:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, Alma said Tony, you sound muffled.
• 57:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, whatever you know what you can hate on me and Cynthia, but don't mess with her, She'll kick your ass, Rick.
• 57:36
  Carmen Lezeth: What happened to you this week, baby?
• 57:37
  Carmen Lezeth: We've liked being the host of the show the entire time.
• 57:42
  Rick Costa: Well, that's the highlight of my life, my God.
• 57:43
  Rick Costa: I've been looking forward to this so much.
• 57:47
  Rick Costa: My cousin brought over some slamming food.
• 57:50
  Rick Costa: It was a combination of Italian spaghetti and chicken, but then meatballs also with like two separate meals, and I said, no, we're going to put this together and it was amazing.
• 57:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Ooh, okay.
• 57:59
  Rick Costa: That happened today.
• 58:00
  Rick Costa: That made me happy.
• 58:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's good.
• 58:02
  Carmen Lezeth: So for me this week, just I told Cynthia when we were in the green room talking a little bit earlier like I'm really tired and as I always am, and I had just gotten in like 20 minutes before I logged on and I'm trying to be very grateful I got my paycheck today from one of my clients and I realized like I need to stop complaining.
• 58:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to find grace in all of it.
• 58:26
  Carmen Lezeth: So I have finished three designs for our swag.
• 58:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to do at least five for the place that I'm trying to use it.
• 58:34
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm hoping next week we'll have some swag for everyone.
• 58:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not hoping I'm going to commit to it right now that next week we'll have swag available and hopefully you will help us so that we can continue to grow.
• 58:47
  Carmen Lezeth: We're doing a great job and I think that's the one thing that gives me joy is seeing that it's not just that the podcast is fun and the live stream is fun, and it's also that we're growing, even if it's a little by little by little.
• 58:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 58:59
  Carmen Lezeth: It's it's nice to see it's not getting less.
• 59:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Uh, mara said my promise.
• 59:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Joy this week is that our niece was on the prices right?
• 59:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Wow, I didn't know that.
• 59:10
  Carmen Lezeth: She didn't tell me.
• 59:11
  Rick Costa: That's cool.
• 59:11
  Rick Costa: Were they able to pronounce her name?
• 59:13
  Rick Costa: Were they able to pronounce her name?
• 59:15
  Rick Costa: Come on down.
• 59:17
  Carmen Lezeth: You know who you are?
• 59:18
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no.
• 59:19
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
• 59:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I've been in touch with her and she told me how to say her name and I just forgot about it.
• 59:23
  Rick Costa: So I didn't want to say her name, no, you would think it's that, but it's pronounced differently.
• 59:27
  Rick Costa: She's a wonderful, wonderful.
• 59:29
  Rick Costa: Mario's going to have to come on and pronounce it properly.
• 59:32
  Carmen Lezeth: No, she told me like five times.
• 59:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just so tired I'm not going to say but it's A-M-Y-L-A for people listening to the podcast later.
• 59:38
  Carmen Lezeth: So, okay, Thank you all for being on the show.
• 59:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I appreciate you all so much.
• 59:43
  Carmen Lezeth: That was a fun time.
• 59:44
  Carmen Lezeth: With that said, we're at the 1.30 mark.
• 59:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I got to jump off because it's going to be too long to edit.
• 59:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I adore you all.
• 59:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I appreciate you all.
• 59:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you for being here and everyone remember it's always all about the joy.
• 1:00:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Thanks for stopping by.
• 1:00:02
  Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy.
• 1:00:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Be better and stay beautiful folks, have a sweet day.