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Did a Paperclip Scientist Bring Lyme Disease to America? · Man in America Podcast

• 0:14
  Speaker 1: What if a hidden chapter in the story of Lyme disease leads back to the Rockefeller Foundation, Eugenics Research in Germany, and a German virologist who worked directly under the Nazi regime? Well, that's a trail that my guest today spent nearly ten years following after becoming seriously ill himself. So in 2016, he began suffering from these terrible headaches. His scans were normal. Doctors couldn't explain what was happening, but he kept getting sicker.
• 0:42
  So he spent years finding and translating the original research of a German virologist who worked directly under the Nazi regime and was later brought to America through Operation Paperclip. He then followed declassified records and firsthand testimony to build a paper trail connecting the German biologists, Plum Island, the Rockefellers, and Lyme disease. My guest today is Adam Finnegan. Now if you or someone in your family has ever dealt with a mystery illness that doctors couldn't explain, chronic fatigue, brain fog, symptoms that, you know, kind of go and come with no clear cause, this conversation may reframe how you think about it. And if you've never heard of Plum Island or Operation Paperclip or how some of America's biggest research institutions funded scientists in Germany before the war, we're gonna connect the dots in a way you've probably never heard before.
• 1:36
  Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Please hit that like button and the share button and the subscribe button. It's free. It's easy.
• 1:45
  And honestly, it really helps me to stay independent and bring you this information without a paywall. Alright. Let's get into my conversation with Adam Finnegan. Adam, it's good to have you on the show, man. Thank you for giving us your time.
• 1:58
  I'm really looking forward to digging into this topic in particular with you. So thank you for being here.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be on.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: You're very good. So, a lot of our discussion is really centering around what is in your book here, The The Rise of Lyme Disease, Chronic Illness, and The Great Imitator Antigens of Biological Warfare. And so, I've done a lot of just different kind of deep dives and studying of Lyme disease. I've had family that have dealt with it. You know, it's a real nasty thing to deal with.
• 2:32
  And so, I guess, if you want to, we can start with your story and and how... Because I think you contracted Lyme pretty bad, and then maybe perhaps how that led you down into this rabbit hole of... That goes into, you know, Nazi, you know, biological warfare and Plum Island and all the the crazy stuff that's behind this.
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I would say I was familiar with Lyme disease a little bit because there's a lady there was a lady on on my hometown street who had it, so I had heard about it. And I I grew up in Grafton, Massachusetts, which is right near Worcester. And in the two thousands, around 2000, my mother got sick with Lyme disease, and she got really sick for a number of years. So I was familiar with it because of that.
• 3:25
  And she also did a bird banding. She she, like, it was like a hobby. It became a full time thing where they put up nuts and they and they put little bracelets on birds and they tracked the migration wall. She was also getting bit by ticks a lot so I think that's what happened. But I had...
• 3:46
  I was familiar with it because of her getting sick. Then it was about... It was 2016 when I I when I first, like, realized, okay, there's some chronic disease. I have some kind of chronic disease that won't go away. Nobody knows what it is.
• 4:07
  And it seemed to kind of all come online that year. And I did get there was there were several different tick bites but I never like I never checked to see if it was a if there was any bull's eye rash. I I just remember pulling off one off my back. But back up a little bit in 2000... I think it was 2006.
• 4:31
  I was killing time somewhere, and I picked up that book, Lab two fifty seven by Michael Christopher Carroll about Plum Island. And I read through that, and that was an... That was, like, topics that interested me. For whatever reason, I liked reading about deadly diseases or, like, biological warfare stuff. And so I read that and I...
• 4:55
  It was the first book that ever talked about Eric Traub, the German virologist and bioweaponere that I cover more extensively in my book. And he actually had the same source that I would later have, John Loftus, in his biodefense source, who I did meet. And so I I read that book and I was just like, This is really something. It was... It...
• 5:34
  I was really blown away by that book and it stuck with me for a while. And then the year that I got sick, I just remember being like, okay. Whatever is wrong with me, I can just go in, get it taken care of and that'll be it. Know, that I can get on with my life. And that...
• 5:51
  It didn't happen that way. It was like they couldn't find anything wrong with me. I had the worst headaches, migraines. But yet when they when they would look at it under a scan they didn't see anything. And I was just like perplexed because it's like how could my head hurt that bad but yet they don't see anything, you know?
• 6:15
  And it became like very controversial, these areas. Also for other people with chronic diseases that are like this. It's it's for whatever reason very controversial and it's kind of like a stigma. And I just really was interested in finding out why that was. And I also wanted to...
• 6:41
  I did believe that it it was biological warfare related after having read lab two fifty seven. I did believe that. And I just remember at one point being like, I wanna figure out this story. And so that's what I ended up doing. I ended up going really deep into it.
• 7:03
  I put up... I made this timeline like a biowarfare Lyme disease, mycoplasma, all this this timeline that I had put together, it was very... It was lengthy. And I think I found John Loftus on Facebook, and I reached out to him. And I sent him this timeline.
• 7:24
  I didn't hear back from him for a while. And then one day out of the blue, he replied and said, oh, this is wonderful. Why don't you give me a call? Here's my number. And I...
• 7:35
  And so I started talking to him because I wanted to try to figure out if he knew more. I wanted to to go a lot deeper into this. And he had first mentioned it because he was the one who first mentioned the biological warfare connections to Lyme disease in his 1982 book, The Belarus Secret, which was republished by Trinde as America's Nazi secret. And he had... So John Lautus, he was also former military intelligence, and he held the highest security clearance you can hold in government when he worked at the justice department.
• 8:18
  He was... His job was... He was a Nazi hunter or prosecutor looking for Nazis that were hiding in America after a war and try to prosecute them. But I think what happened was he found that the justice department was protecting a lot of them, and that became the basis of his book. But in that book, he talked about how he had sources that were coming to him.
• 8:43
  So he kind of... He did this sixty minutes piece in the nineteen eighties about operation Paperclip, and it was really big. It was a really big deal. Then after he did that, he had a bunch of people from the intelligence community coming to him hoping to get more stuff declassified because there was a lot of stuff they weren't okay with. You know?
• 9:06
  They wanted that they felt the American people should know. So John Loft has kinda acted as, like, an attorney and protected their identities and and whatnot under the attorney client privilege. And this one source who is in biodefense told him about these experiments and, you know, like, putting the throwing the the light bulbs full of bacteria onto the train tracks in New York City was one of them. The simulant test. There were simulant tests, a simulation of a bioterror attack, but a lot of them weren't actually harmless bacteria.
• 9:54
  A lot of them were harmful.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: The Nazis were doing that, like, even back in the thirties. Right? Like, were they going into other European countries and and kinda testing these biological weapons? Kinda like the... Was it sarin?
• 10:06
  Was it the subway sarin attack over in Japan, I think it was?
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There was there was one of those. But, yes, the the Germans... German intelligence did... They went to the subways of Paris and France and London, and they had something similar.
• 10:25
  I think it was a light bulb or they had something, a car or some kind of thing that would let out all of this bacteria. The bacteria was called serracea marcasins. It's like a... It was thought to be harmless, but it it forms this, like, red pigment it leaves behind, which is good for, like, tracking or whatever. But they ended up eventually classifying it as a human pathogen.
• 10:52
  San Francisco did these big tests as well. So we started doing them at at the advice of of people like Eric Trapp when we brought him back to America under Operation Paperclip. And they were doing those tests in San Francisco where a ship would come up and release a fog over the city, follow this bacteria. There was one death, and there were a bunch of very resistant infections with this bacteria in the nearby hospital. They had never seen this infection before and they were amazed at how many people were coming in.
• 11:34
  You know, like, it it can cause sepsis, urinary tract infections, and it's it's a nasty pathogen, actually. And so these were supposed to be simulations or simulant tests, but they were actually quite harmful. And in my book, I showed that he was actually, like, weaponizing some of these bacteria over in Nazi Germany during the war. So that's kind of like the idea with these tests. These...
• 12:12
  It it was more or less an attack on us kind of right under our noses but always done under the guise of of protecting against biological warfare. Right?
• 12:24
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• 13:47
  So Eric Traub, let's dig into him a little bit more. Like, what was his his background? Because we know that Operation Paperclip, we saw that a lot of the prominent Nazi scientists, thinkers, engineers, brought over, put them into our own government. I think that was the origins of a lot... What became Operation Mockingbird...
• 14:06
  Bob Mockingbird with the propaganda. A lot of them went into places like NASA, intelligence agencies. And so with with Eric Traub, what was his role over in Germany? And then what did he start getting involved with here in The US?
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Okay. So his his career is kinda like all over the place. He he goes to so many different places. When he first started, he went into not veterinary medicine, he went into language. First, he went to school to learn English and French.
• 14:43
  And he he mastered English and to a lesser degree French. And then after he had done that, he was acting as an interpreter. So Richard E. Schulp, the famous the famous scientist... American scientist.
• 15:04
  Eric Traub was actually working at the unit... I believe it was the University of Giesen as a translator, someone who could tell Richard E. Shope what's going on and and act as the translator. And Richard Schopp at one point noticed that Eric Traub had a lot of potential in virology, and he thought that Traub should go into veterinary medicine and and get a scholarship to go to the Rockefeller Institute. So he does that.
• 15:41
  He goes into veterinary medicine. One thing about veterinary medicine that makes it so the best bioweaponers were always veterinarians, I would say, because they understood a diverse number of different immune systems as well as zoonosis.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see. That's interesting because... Yeah. Because when you said the best the best are always veterinarians, the first thing I'm thinking is, like, oh, because they understand animal to human transmission. Right?
• 16:11
  Or they they have the potential to understand it in a in a deeper way than someone who just studies the human body.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yep. And experts at animal diseases. Now, part of the name of the game here was also turning animal diseases into human diseases. Like, a lot of people have this idea that, oh, he was just working on, you know, foot and mouth disease, stuff that... It was just, you know, like livestock and crop warfare, but it was so much more than that.
• 16:43
  It was actually... He was looking... So animal disease was considered a vast reservoir for new human diseases. They could take animal diseases, adapt them to humans, and then there'd be all of these diseases that have never been seen in the human population before. And that was a big part of biological weapons...
• 17:05
  The biological weapons race. Erick Traub was very skilled in this area. He was kind of like a prodigy, you could say, in this area. He just... He he he was very original.
• 17:21
  He did not need all of this fancy lab equipment. I know that the Rockefeller Institute staff were talking about him in the letter saying, you know, he he he succeeded on his own in cultivating the pseudo rabies virus without any preliminary training or... And without the the fancy lab technology that everybody else seems to feel necessary. And so he was one of a kind. So he gets that scholarship and he goes to the Rockefeller Institute.
• 17:52
  First, he was studying... When he went into... At the University of Guising, he was under a guy named Wilhelmsvik who was famous for his work on this horse disease called Borna disease virus, which is... It's often, like, used as an animal model of serious neuropsychiatric disorders. It's it's highly neurotropic, which means it takes the away of the brain.
• 18:26
  And so that was and that was part of Eric Traube's... He was looking at diseases that did not... That didn't kill you outright. He was looking at diseases that would slowly wear down an enemy and introduce this just diabolical disease mechanism that would plague entire generations. And some in some cases can be passed to the next generation, degenerating the gene pool, you could say.
• 19:03
  What he was trying to do was he wanted to attack the immune system. He wanted to create weapons that attack the immune system. And then what he always found was that it would always have this secondary effect on the brain. So when he was at the Rockefeller Institute in the nineteen thirties, he so he had gone to he had gone to Iowa with with doctor Shope to figure out some outbreak of pseudorabies. It's a swine herpes virus, but it causes a similar, like, raging disease that could be compared to rabies.
• 19:45
  That's why it's called pseudorabies. But they were... They had found that a lot of the... So they had found that it was a reactivated virus. There was a a virus that had that a lot of the pigs had antibodies to, but it started this new outbreak and they and they realized that it was a virus that was latent and was reactivated into an outbreak.
• 20:09
  And what he was trying to do after that, he wanted to know if he could reactivate a dormant virus from within his mouse colony. And what he did was he injected foreign protein into the mouse's brain, and it caused, like, this septic shock or caused a trauma or a shock. And after that, a virus reactivated, spread to all the other mice in the colony, and then it it attacked the immune system. And he found that the female mice would always give birth to these infected these infected mice that didn't have any antibodies to the virus. They didn't have noticeable inflammation, and they could pass it to infect other mice that had not been exposed to it yet.
• 21:05
  So it was very interesting and he started to study this for the remainder of his time at the Rockefeller Institute, four years, until 1938. And he discovered this condition where the virus would persist. It was like this chronic persistent infection where, especially when they were born with it, you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to know that they were even infected. And and they looked normal sometimes throughout their entire life, but would start coming down with these chronic wasting diseases, these nasty neurological disorders halfway through their life. And then also he noticed that the cancer rate would go way up as well.
• 21:52
  So it was like... This condition was eventually called immune tolerance. Immune tolerance as in the immune system is actively suppressed and forced to tolerate harmful pathogens that you should not otherwise be keeping out of the body. That's... Yeah.
• 22:16
  It's like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: So it's almost like if you if you can develop a weapon that just attacks the immune system itself, it's Yes. Kinda like blowing up the force field over the death star. Right? Because then anything can come in and just wreak havoc. And so, basically, this guy, this Nazi scientist goes to the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research.
• 22:38
  I think it was in Princeton, New Jersey. He spends four years in the thirties studying animal virology and transmission and cultivation and then goes back to Germany. It's almost like I'm thinking of just... It's like, oh, yeah. Here's how you can trace Lyme disease to a Nazi scientist that was educated by the Rockefellers in the thirties.
• 23:01
  It sounds almost too fantastical, but then oftentimes truth is stranger than fiction.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this was like this finding though, this reactivating dormant viruses and introducing this quote unquote slow virus disease where it would slowly wear you down and cause protein misfolding, which, you know, like mad cow is like a... You know, the prion diseases, and they're very resistant to treatment. Things like that. He was really...
• 23:35
  I mean, because once this thing starts getting going, it's it's very resistant to any treatment and it's it's just a diabolical mechanism. And it's all... It's basically like turning your body against itself. We all have these dormant viruses within us. And then when you disable the immune system, these start reactivating.
• 24:00
  He was doing this through vaccine research. It was vaccine research where he discovered this, and this became the study of his life. He had a lot of experience with diverse pathogens, but this was the thing that he was most interested in. And so Lyme disease, for example, does a similar thing. The the little worm that is...
• 24:29
  The spirochete, they look like little worms. These will shed these nasty proteins or antigens into your bloodstream, kinda like a wet dog shaking its coat, only the... Instead of water, it's this nasty... These nasty proteins. It sheds into your blood.
• 24:49
  It suppresses the immune system and then what you end up with, you get the reactivation of latent viruses throughout, you know, from head to toe like Epstein Barr virus, human herpes virus six, which is like an encephalitis virus. They're, you know, the common ones. Like, there's eight human herpes viruses like chickenpox, cytomegalovirus, EBV. Those all start reactivating and it's like turning your body against itself. And the mechanism...
• 25:21
  And also spirochetes go to the brain as well. So it's almost like doing exactly what he did where he would... I mean, he was injecting it right into their brains, but this kinda is like a vehicle going to the brain. And he would reactivate these dormant viruses. That was, like, the entire mechanism.
• 25:41
  So the bioweapon itself, it was almost, like, done in parts. Like, part of the bioweapon actually used your own body against itself. You know? By reactivating what is called a disseminated viral syndrome, whereas all these viruses reactivating and you get autoimmune like reactions. You get...
• 26:05
  It's it's just nasty through and through.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And so you mentioned the the the worm. So... But am I correct in understanding that, in essence, there's a particular parasite that the tick became the carrier for, which I wanna get into how that kind of research and development happened. But then that parasite, then when the tick bites you, because the tick I think injects some sort of, know, like a lot of insects, like they inject you with something to, whether it's to like a blood thinner or whatever it is, but then when the tick bites you, it spews this stuff into you, it basically injects these parasites into you, those parasites then latch on and then those parasites, like all parasites, they produce waste which is typically very toxic. But the particular toxins produced by this parasite, like you mentioned like a dog shaking its wet coat, those toxins end up being a...
• 26:58
  Just a horrible poison that then destroys your immune system, which then brings about, you know, probably hundreds of different symptoms. It's not like it's one thing where you, oh, I caught this, you know, problematic disease. What they're doing is it's... They're just kind of opening the doors for whatever things you have going wrong in your body are always gonna start happening at once because your body's immune system is compromised by these toxins. Is that...
• 27:22
  You know, is that following along?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: No. Yep. You're you're dead on. And one thing he also was interested in was studying a mix of infections. He also realized that you could also induce this immune tolerance slash immune paralysis with a combination of different infections all rolled into one.
• 27:47
  And that was also something that was studied with the 1918 influenza where virus would come in, disable the immune system, and then it was the secondary infection to actually deliver the death blow, the bacterial pneumonia and stuff. But the... It's kind of like a mechanism. The bacteria were already there. The virus comes in, disables the immune system, and then these...
• 28:15
  You know, it's kinda like a similar thing with the reactivation of latent virus, but it's like... It's it's a bacteria, and it delivers the death blow. So he was also... So when he went back to... Well, he took several trips back to Germany during those years that he was at the Rockefeller Institute.
• 28:35
  And in one instance, he brought a bunch of his infected mice back there, and he went to Insulrems. Insulrems is like the German plum island. That was their, you know, state of the art bioweapons lab during the war and before the war. And he brought some mice that were infected with LCM or lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus. That was the virus that that he reactivated, LCM virus for short.
• 29:05
  And they... One of his colleagues was able to adapt foot and mouth disease, which normally causes blisters on the hooves of animals and mouths. He was able to adapt that to these mice that were infected with the LCM virus and it changed the disease. Once he adapted it to mice, it became more like polio, the central nervous system disease. So they would find different ways to modify pathogens way back in the nineteen thirties, like back at this time.
• 29:45
  They were already modifying pathogens, and that's another thing with the bioengineering is these certain animal passages or running these agents through animals, certain animals, you can change the pathogen in certain ways. Like, if you wanted to make something more neurotropic and and more, you know, vicious to the brain, these mice, they would do these mouse passages, and it would raise the neurovirulence of that agent. So this... It's kind of like sophisticated stuff. Eric Trapp was very skilled in this area.
• 30:22
  And when he went back, so he... Eventually, he decided to leave the Rockefeller Institute. He says, the war is, you know, the war is about to break out. He's saying, I'm gonna go back to Germany. I'm gonna take up a position under Karl Beller at the University of Giesen.
• 30:39
  Thanks for having me. Take care. And so he he goes back to Germany. 1938 to '39. Now this is where I have him under this guy, his mentor, Carl Beller, the University of Giesen.
• 30:55
  This was a very pivotal time. This was a very crucial time because it is in this year, '39. He also gets a student under him, kinda like a protege. His name is Werner Schafer. He has Werner Schafer grab a bird spirochete, which I talked about in my book.
• 31:17
  It's called Borrelia anserina. Back then, it was called spirochitis gallinarm. It's like a bird line disease. Right? He gets it that year from a Rockefeller funded psychiatrist named Franz Hamel.
• 31:35
  And the same year, he also learned with Karl Beller how if you have this nasty mix of tick borne infections, it creates this immune tolerance like outcome. This this... That condition that he was looking to study his whole life. And it's very interesting. It was in a chapter of a book right when Eric Traub was under Karl Beller as his assistant professor.
• 32:01
  There was a chapter they were putting together called animal rickettsioses, which... Animal rickettsia. Rickettsia is like a certain kind of bacteria, tick borne disease, like typhus, for example, is a rickettsia. But it was in this in this chapter where they're talking about these complex mix of infections like Babesia, which is like a blood parasite, kinda like malaria. Talking about ehrlichiosis, which is ehrlichia.
• 32:34
  That's another... So these are all common tick borne infections now in The United States. They didn't see this before the war... I mean, before Paperclip. But then in the sixties, these black legged ticks start carrying all of these...
• 32:50
  This nasty mix of infections, which I call, like, a Russian doll cocktail of infectious disease. And in this chapter, he names all of the co infections that would later show up in these ticks in North America. Because usually when... Like a lot of people, and I know a significant number of people, that they don't just get Lyme disease, they get the Lyme disease, they get Babesiosis, Ehrlichiosis, Rickettsiosis. It's a really nasty mix of infections.
• 33:29
  It was unheard of before Paperclip. Alright? It was unheard of. And all the way up until 1949, they were still saying that the black legged tick harbors no known human disease. Right?
• 33:43
  There is no record of any human disease in this tick that today is considered the number one transmitter of all of these nasty tick borne infections. I have him with that... So through his protege, I I put him in possession of that spirochete, which I later show is the closest relative to Lyme disease in the family of relapsing fevers. Like, you know, because it has to come from somewhere. Right?
• 34:15
  The the spirochete itself was always here. He didn't create that. He took an animal strain and then started bioengineering that during the war. And that's kind of like what gives you the end result. So also showing that he had this foreknowledge of all of the the coinfections that would later show up with it.
• 34:44
  It's it's it's very... It's it's pretty damning because it was just like, what a coincidence. The same coinfections that later show up in these ticks. He went to this Insul Reams facility after... When World War two broke out.
• 35:05
  He was... He became the vice president of Insul Reams, and he oversaw the entire phase of research. So he had one guy above him who was the president, but he wasn't as involved as Eric Traube was in overseeing the... Because that guy was, like, always taking trips elsewhere and stuff. Eric Traube basically ran this facility, had a bunch of people under him, and they were working on classified projects.
• 35:35
  They were working on, you know, the military application, biological warfare. And what made the black legged tick also suspicious... So when Eric Chaube came back to America in Paperclip, this is when the American program really started to get rolling. And he was telling them we need to do these stimulant tests. Right?
• 36:03
  We need to do these stimulant tests. So what better tick to use since back then, they were saying, yeah, it it doesn't have any diseases. No no known human pathogens are transmitted by this. So let's use this tick for these simulant tasks. Right?
• 36:23
  And that's... And and I think it was, like, in the mid fifties, that's where I start seeing reports of the black legged tick being a serious transmitter of human disease. Also, one of the very first cases of Lyme disease from a woman named Polly Murray. She wrote a book called The Widening Circle about, you know, her her experience with Lyme disease. And she says she got sick in the middle of the fifties, the 1950s.
• 36:58
  Right? And then by the 1960s, she was fully debilitated and it wasn't until 1975 that they actually come around and and start acknowledging it and saying, yep. This is what this is. This is... They figure out by 1982 that it's a spirochete.
• 37:17
  But they were like, we were surprised because black... Because hard hard bodied ticks don't usually spread spirochetes, and and we were unaware that this could happen. But it was interesting because that chapter that Eric Tra... I was working on in 1939 actually talked about the fact that sometimes they could get hard bodied ticks to transmit the relapsing fever spirochetes. So it was like, okay.
• 37:45
  This is a possibility. So he was... During the war, under under the Nazi regime, he was working on a lot of different animal diseases. He was working on a whole bunch of different stuff. And what what ended up happening is the Soviet Union captures insulgreens at the end of nineteen forty five or sometime in 1945.
• 38:26
  They basically show up one day, and the whole facility is just locked off. And they're... You know, like, the Russians took over. The the the Soviet Union took over it. They got East Germany, and they hauled off the entire laboratory to the Soviet Union.
• 38:49
  And now at this point, this was like the state of the art facility. This was doing the most advanced research on the planet along with their Japanese counterparts. And they would research as well. Like, some of the Japanese, they would share their results with them and vice versa. When the Soviet Union got that lab, that was a that was a huge in their favor.
• 39:17
  Like, I was... There was there was a lot of top secret research going on over there at the time, especially under Eric Traube, who's very intelligent. So they start interrogating the staff and the scientists and especially some of the female staff. They're trying to do is look for war crimes, And then what they would do is... Since a lot of these guys were so valuable, they really didn't wanna lose them to being prosecuted and what have you under Nuremberg.
• 39:56
  They would basically tell them you can work for us or, you know, you can go to Nuremberg, like, kinda like blackmail. Right? And that seems to have been what happened here is Eric Chaube also, like, sets up this escape to West Germany, but it was all coordinated with the help of the Soviet Union. It was it was like a mock escape. Right?
• 40:26
  And British intelligence. So he eventually... He's able to leave and and go over to West Germany, at which time they were gonna send him over to America under Paperclip. And it was... So that that was, like, '19...
• 40:50
  He comes over to America under under Project Paperclip in 1949. That's when he comes over. He's set up at the NMI or the Naval Medical Research Institute in Bethesda, Maryland. He's, I mean, you could say, basically, put on, like, the top of the biological warfare program because he was telling them how everything goes. Like, he was he was the expert in biological warfare.
• 41:23
  He was tell... He was showing them how to run a biological warfare program. And another thing is that animal diseases also works as a guide. You can hide a lot of stuff under these veterinary problems and such.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: So I just... It... Kinda piecing together this timeline, which is just... It's just crazy to look at. So I know that...
• 41:45
  So the Rockefeller Foundation, they... Before the war started, know, when Germany was the Weimar Republic, they were heavily involved in funding a lot of scientific research over there, but one of the main focuses of the research they're funding in pre Nazi Germany was eugenics. So here you have the Rockefeller Foundation funding Eugenics research in Weimar, Germany. Then Eric Traub comes over and studies with him in Princeton for four years, specifically studying animal virology transmission, cultivation of animal viruses, you know, really kind of... It has become kind of zoonotic study.
• 42:26
  Right? Human animal transmission, which comes out of this. But then he goes back to Germany, You have the war, then postwar, we have operation Paperclip. But also, the Rockefeller Foundation was heavily involved in operation Paperclip because they set up these scholarships for a lot of these scientists. They they put a bunch of money behind it, they brought 100...
• 42:46
  They they were, like, directly brought hundreds of scientists over. And so it's almost like, is... Are all these things just coincidences, or were the Rockefellers... Obviously, if you kind of go into their their involvement in our medical system, it's like, were they using Germany and the German scientists and all that? Were they using that as kind of like an incubator for developing these biological weapons?
• 43:12
  And then after that's done, you know, hey, a war is a great time to test these biological weapons. That's wonderful. And then so... And then they they train some of these these scientists. They fund the research.
• 43:22
  And then after the war's over, they then pay to bring them over here to America where we then find out that these same Nazi scientists are using this biological warfare on the American population, which they just... Rockefeller just so happens to be heavily involved with the pharmaceutical and medical industry that would be treating all of the diseases that their Nazi scientists from their funding are now in America pumping out to the American people. I I mean, it's it's it's like...
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No. I mean, even even when he gets that spirochete, he gets it through a Rockefeller funded psychiatrist. That's where a Yeah. Spirochete spirochete research was done under psychiatry back then.
• 44:07
  But... Yeah. No. I mean, this this was like a a hub for this kind of activity. And, I mean, even back in, like like...
• 44:19
  So I start going into Trav in chapter five. But before that, there's a bunch of preliminary chapters where I start covering the British and and their use of smallpox early on as a biological weapon. And I also go into the Soviet Union's program, which to me is more or less... The Soviet Union was kind of like a a creation of British intelligence, more or less, the way I see it.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And they kind of created that monster, and they would use that monster for certain things. And, you know, divide and conquer was a huge part of their strategy in conquering the world. And, yeah, it was... So during the 1918 situation, there was a lot of Rockefeller... Tons of focus in this in this area of the Rockefeller Institute.
• 45:10
  Absolutely. And it is interesting because the idea of ethnic bioweapons comes into view here. And that's actually possible due to what is called HLA types. So HLA stands for human leukocyte antigen, but it's basically like you have different types of immune system. Just like you have different blood types, you have different types of immune systems, you know, genetically profiled that they would...
• 45:47
  They were studying how it would affect the different races. Like, so certain pathogens like spirochetes. They they noticed that whites would always get the neurosyphilis where it really attacks the brain while the African American population would get, like, these large lumps and stuff. They were definitely studying how different races reacted to different things. And that was a...
• 46:15
  Yeah. The eugenics definitely, it comes into play here. And it's also interesting. Eric Traube's studies of immune tolerance, how he could literally degenerate the gene pool, and this virus could pass down generations. He would reactivate it, and then would start passing down generations becoming more silent but more devious.
• 46:39
  Like, the the body is no longer trying to fend it off. You don't get a lot of inflammation, but it goes into your central nervous system and your organs, destroying you from the inside out. And then I I don't know if you're familiar with Jonas Salk and his book, The Survival of the Wisest. You know? We'll get into that.
• 47:01
  But, yeah, it was definitely... These are all areas that eugenics played played a huge part in influencing. And so even within the same race, though, there are different HLA types. So you think of it as, like, usually based on their geographic location. And if you think about it, a group that's been settled in to a certain geographic location for a long time, they're exposed to all of the different microbes in that area.
• 47:36
  And over time, it also becomes part of their genome because a certain portion of our genome is made up of viruses, bacteria, and such. And I and I tend to think that it's it's very heavily fact. It's it's about these geographic locations that they settle in for a long time, but this was some... They were they were very deep into this HLA research and the ethnic bioweapons research.
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• 49:45
  But then it also reminds me of... I think it was back in 2023 when RFK was at a dinner and and someone recorded him talking about, and he was saying how he believed that COVID was developed to specifically target Caucasians and blacks and how the Chinese and the Ashkenazi Jews were were immune to it. And he got all... Of course, there's... You know, everyone got up up and, you know, they're up up...
• 50:11
  Really upset about that. But it's like, what you can see here is you can trace the same kind of thinking and it also, it makes you think that, well, if the Rockefeller's were so involved in, you know, funding these things back in, you know, Weimar Germany, which then goes into Eric Traub and everything, it's... Makes you think and say, okay. Are... Is there some more grand plan that they wanna specifically develop bioweapons to to take out certain races and preserve certain races?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely possible. And that's why there were so many studies just focused on this HLA type, or the HLA typing, different how things affected the different HLA types of the immune system. And so within the same race, there are differences as well. And they... Like I said, I think it has a lot to do with the geographic location.
• 51:12
  So whites in Russia, for example, they find certain things about them that are very closely related. Like their HLA tends to be very closely related, especially when they're settled in a long... In a geographic location for a very long time. They were also looking at Ukrainian, the difference between Ukrainian and Russian HLA types. This was this was a a a very...
• 51:46
  And so HLA is also what prevents mass death. Right? Because... So any type of pandemic situation, it doesn't it doesn't get to this hundred percent fatality rate. It goes, you know...
• 52:03
  Well, that situation was very low. The the the COVID nineteen thing was very, very low. And it's the HLA types that prevents. It's why you don't have a uniform reaction in each person. It's why you can't...
• 52:18
  You know, it's because what is it about this that makes this person have this terrible inflammatory response, but yet this person's completely unaffected by it? Or or has a mild disease or or this person has no disease at all. And this is where they realize, this is where it's all kind of... This among other factors. But HLA type, your your terrain, so to speak.
• 52:43
  So terrain also comes into play with the entire germ theory thing. They interact equally. And this is why. But... And, you know, you also don't always have a uniform reaction to chemicals either.
• 52:58
  Like, one person... So the same applies with chemicals, radiation. One person, a chemical could make someone sleepy. The other person could have anaphylactic shock and and die from it. So it's...
• 53:13
  There's some variation, but this is... You know, and they don't wanna talk about HLA to the public because they don't want people to know that, well, this only affects a certain percentage of people because of this that... And they want, you know, they want a hundred percent vaccine uptake. So they they just say, everybody is at everybody's at risk, and there's... You know, we need we need everybody to to take this shot.
• 53:43
  It's... They give us, like, this fairytale version of immunology even though they know that it acts quite differently. So... And and this whole area is where I started to realize why why they're not so forthcoming, why they're not so honest with us about these things. It has to do with a lot of the classified realm, a lot of the biological warfare activity.
• 54:11
  And John Loftus, for example, wrote the introduction to the sleeper agent, and he talked about in the in the introduction how a third of modern history has been classified. A lot of this stuff is super classified. A lot of people don't hear about it because it's classified, and that's why his biodefense source had come to him trying to get some of this declassified because he obviously felt the American people should know a lot of this stuff. And and that was my that was, like, my mission was he put a memo together of saying, you know, all of the stuff that he claims happened. My job was, okay.
• 54:54
  Can I find anything in the open source that would document and back up everything he's saying? And it was... I think I did it very well. And and there... Because there's so much stuff in the open source that documents it.
• 55:12
  And I went and I collect every single paper that Eric Traub ever published. A lot of it was in German. I had to buy them from these German universities. I also bought pretty much the entire phase of Insul Riems research. I had put so many hours into translating these documents.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: You became obsessed with this. Like, this became a Yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: It was it was like my life work for for many years. And, yeah, I would get everything translated. I would use I would use that OCR technology where it takes a picture of the the page, and then it turns it into text. And then I could take the text, brought it through translator, and then kind of fine tune it from there. But I have, like, an entire collection, all of his work, and I studied that.
• 56:05
  And here's another interesting part I I should have talked about before. Well, before I started looking into Eric Traub, I had joined this Lyme disease group. They were called Truth Cures. And they were basically trying to show people why the tests are are bad, how you can be infected even though the the test says negative. And it was it was this woman, Kathleen Dixon, started it.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: This right here? Yeah.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I learned about immune tolerance from them before I started looking into Eric Traub. And then it was so interesting to me because it was like, it just happened to... I start looking into him and I'm like holy crap, he's the one who actually discovered this as it relates to infectious disease. And so it just really mind blowing and it was very interesting because it really flips your idea of immunology on its head.
• 57:10
  Like, you you know, we're we're we're programmed to think it works this way. Right? But then you come to find out it's it's much more complex and actually works almost contrary to how you thought it worked. Because, I mean, this would suggest that perhaps inflammation is not the cause of all disease. It seems that it's only one half of the disease spectrum.
• 57:33
  The other half of the disease spectrum is marked by immunosuppression and, like, virus reactivation, these these these mechanisms behind immunosuppression. You know, and you and you... Your... When your immune... You think about it, your immune system's suppressed.
• 57:51
  It doesn't make as much antibodies. It doesn't make as many antibodies that they're requiring you to make to test positive for these things. So it was like... Yeah. For many years, it was it was my life.
• 58:08
  I mean, it was it was definitely my life. I was like, I'm gonna figure the story. I mean, I had over a thousand pages in the original manuscript. I had to boil it down to, like, 315, which I'm really glad I did that. And another challenge was taking this highly technical subject matter and trying to explain it in a way that makes sense to, you know, anybody.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Is that... I'm curious. You've got a bunch of binders behind you to the... Is that a lot of that?
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That... Yeah. These are all Eric Traube right here. That's Eric Traube's as his student, Werner Schafer.
• 58:44
  Yeah. That that whole book thing is... That's just some of the book research. It's not everything, but, yeah, like, that's how much time I put into this.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: So how did Eric Traub then get involved with Plum Island? And, like, what happened at Plum Island that then introduced these ticks with these kind of biowarfare little bugs. How does how does that story evolve?
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Okay. So when Eric Chau was in Paperclip, 1949 to 1952, They they had already... They had a congressional hearing in 1948, I
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: believe it
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: was, where they had decided we're gonna make this offshore. We're we're gonna choose an island to put our foot and mouth disease research and other highly contagious diseases that shouldn't be on the mainland. We're gonna we're gonna build a facility there. And it was actually... He was advising them to build it, like, after Insul Riems.
• 1:00:04
  So Insul Riems, his German plum island, was like the model that they were going for. And that's why he was meeting with them. He was advising them. Okay. You need to build this.
• 1:00:16
  It needs certain buildings for this, this, and that. And he was very involved. Now back in that congressional hearing, they actually talked about Eric Traub without naming him, but giving away very key details that that definitely identified that they were talking about Eric Trapp. So they were planning on having him there the entire time. Like, they were...
• 1:00:44
  Now when he was in America during that time, so at that point, it wasn't it wasn't set up yet, but they were going there for these limited trips. Like, there was a... It was Fort Terry beforehand, but they were... They had a little laboratory. It kinda looked like a homegrown laboratory setup or something.
• 1:01:05
  It was a it was a minimal setup, but they had this setup, and they were doing research there while they waited for everything to kind of come in and the construction to start taking place to make the the the USDA facility. He was also there with... What's his name? Frank Olson. Frank Olson, the the guy who a terrible mistake.
• 1:01:35
  Frank Olson was a biochemist for the army. He was pushed out a window after they dosed him up with LSD. Boy, they say he jumped, but I think he was pushed out. He was very involved in it as well, and he was also involved in some of those San Francisco tests. But...
• 1:01:58
  So they were they were planning... He he was showing them how to set this up. He was helping running nationwide biological warfare tests. He was very... He was a he was a key player during the American biological warfare race in setting up our system, setting up our program.
• 1:02:25
  And these tests that that went on there, they... These were simulant tests only... And what... Instead of releasing a bacteria in open air tests, they would they would they would have simulant tests with with insects. It's like, okay.
• 1:02:42
  We're gonna release... You know? That's why I said they picked the black legged tick because it was not a known transmitter of any human diseases back at that time. They're like, we're gonna use this tick, and we're gonna track it. Like, release them on shorebirds.
• 1:02:57
  Then I have this, you know, like, I I pulled from a lot of different sources of evidence, but one of the things... There was that source from lab two fifty seven where they're talking about an area where he released the ticks. Picture that the guy saw where he was pointing to the area on the island where he released the ticks. And one thing that is interesting about Eric Chobb's second tenure in America under Paperclip was he was traveling back and forth between Colombia and South America and then the East Coast. And one thing I noticed was that he would going down to Colombia as the birds would fly south.
• 1:03:39
  And then he would come back as the birds were flying north. So this was kind of like a very sophisticated program. They had a bird program. It was like the ticks would hitch rides on the birds, carry them all across the country, and that was like their method of dispersal with these insect borne bioweapons and using the insects as vectors. So the stimulant tests were basically and and my biodefense source was also the source of that.
• 1:04:14
  He was saying, yes. These tests did happen there in this... In the simulant program. And it basic... It basically just carried it all the way up and down the Eastern Seaboard with the birds.
• 1:04:30
  And it was it was a very big hot spot as well. Even when they first acknowledged it, even though it had been spreading for, like, two decades, it was heavily concentrated in the area just just offshore or or just onshore in Connecticut, Lyme... Old Lyme, Connecticut. That's where they came up with the idea. That's where it got its name, Lyme Disease.
• 1:04:57
  And a lot of... It was during a... There were a lot of kids that were affected by it, and a lot of the evidence also suggests that parents were probably or or mothers were probably infecting their kid through through birth, like the the... Transmitting it to their newborn. And I know a lot of people, women who've had children who they say, yeah, that their kid got it from them during pregnancy and such, even though they viciously deny it, that the health authorities, the public health people viciously deny it, saying it's not possible, even though they're publishing papers showing that it's possible.
• 1:05:50
  So that was kinda like an epicenter of the outbreak.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So just to confirm, so so basically... So I was looking at... So you have the Rheem's Island in Germany. Right? This is just a Wikipedia entry on it.
• 1:06:05
  It says that it's considered... I think they say it's considered the oldest, bio lab ever. Right? The original kind of bio lab was in Rheem's, Germany. Right?
• 1:06:16
  It says it's a... It's highly, highly secure, and they had a... You know, this this research facility there. So you're saying that that was kind of like the pilot was this particular island in Germany, but then we get to Plum Island, and so similarly, right here's a map showing, you know, where it's at. Oh, sorry.
• 1:06:39
  I didn't realize I wasn't showing this. Let me pull that up. Okay. So, sorry. Here's the page I was showing about
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Reams. Reams.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Okay. And then, so you have that as kind the pilot of like, hey, we can build a bio lab on some island, highly secure. Then they use that as the the kind of blueprint for Plum Island, which Plum Island... Okay. Here's...
• 1:07:02
  You know, you see down here, it's on the the kind of far end, you know, very close to Montauk, you know, which is also... There's all kinds of weird stuff there. But then so Plum Island where it says that the... Let's see here. Okay.
• 1:07:17
  So the... It says Plum Island is the site of the Plum Island Animal Disease Center, which was established by the USDA in 1954, but then it says the island is also the site of the former US mill... Military insulate... Insulation Fort Terry from 1897. So...
• 1:07:33
  And that's just kind of... That's kinda crazy to think about that. It's like the... I I didn't know that that Palm Island is kind of the two point o version of Reams. And then if you then take all this and you map this out with everything we talked about so far with Operation Paperclip, with the Rockefellers, you can start to really kinda connect all these dots.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Mhmm. Yeah. That's what I was doing for so many years too, and it's just... I I was amazed at how much I was able to produce based on this guy's, you know, short testimony saying all of this stuff and going to see if I could verify it. It was just...
• 1:08:13
  It would not stop producing. Like, it just... It would just keep going. I'd find more and more and more. And then I also came across a lot of attempts by the establishment to say that Lyme disease was, you know, we found it in a mummy from thousands of years ago.
• 1:08:33
  Right? But then when I I would go read the study, it says in the study, there's only about a sixty percent chance this could be Lyme disease. It may be... It could because the reeds may map to other bacteria besides Borrelia. They weren't even sure what bacteria it was.
• 1:08:51
  Okay? But then they're saying it as though it's absolute fact we found Lyme disease in this moment. And then I... Were other instances where they would say they found Lyme disease in certain specimens of ticks, but they would leave out the full... So they they test for certain genes or whatever.
• 1:09:12
  Right? And there's, like... There were there were these two specific ones. There's flagellin gene and the outer surface protein a. And and the old ones, they wouldn't test for the flagellin.
• 1:09:26
  They would just test for outer surface protein a. And this is extracellular DNA. It changes all the time, so it's not a reliable thing to go by. And they even say that in a lot of the studies, and they were... You know, and some of these papers were actually refuted by some of the other researchers saying that this isn't this isn't sufficient, you know, to speak to a Borrelia burgdorferi infection.
• 1:09:54
  The primers you use were no good. So there was a lot of attempts, like, trying to force it on us that, yes, we... We've been finding these... We've been finding this in all sorts of different specimens and mummies, even though we don't even know what bacteria it is, but they're pushing it as fact, putting out these propaganda pieces. Like, for example, they would say, well, it couldn't have been a bioweapon because 1975, the genetic engineering technology was barely was barely even out yet.
• 1:10:28
  But they didn't need any of that technology. Eric used animal passages from from very early on. That's... That was the method for bioengineering. And back in World War two, Eric Traube's facility, they were already using bacteriophages, which is like...
• 1:10:46
  They're viruses or bacteria that can also genetically modify a bacteria, and they use, you know, bacteriophages or phages they use in in bioengineering. Well, you know, at that time, Insularems was very, like, top secret research. They were already, like, thirty years ahead. You know, like... And that's common for classified projects where the classified...
• 1:11:15
  In a classified setting, they will find things decades before anybody hears about it publicly. And then they let somebody else discover it and become distinct even though they already had that. So there's a lot of elements of this that's become very esoteric. Like, a lot of stuff hidden that is is is under the surface, but you wouldn't know without these certain keys, without these certain backstory. Right?
• 1:11:47
  And so that's kind of... That was my job trying to document this to the greatest extent possible. And it it was... I think I did a a sufficient job. I think I proved what the biodefense source was saying and how this stuff still goes on today more than ever.
• 1:12:12
  I mean, it's not it's not slow... Slowed down at all. It's it's just more proliferative than ever before. And there's, you know Yeah. Every country every country is engaged in it.
• 1:12:24
  And one of the one of the things that you find interesting is when anybody like myself or or researchers try to cover this area, they're immediately labeled conspiracy theorists. But then but then they take billions of dollars every year from taxpayers to protect against biological warfare, but that nobody calls them crazy for suggesting Right? Like... So it's it's a really upside down kind of idea. Why are you why are you calling everybody else conspiracy theorists anytime this is brought up?
• 1:13:02
  But then you're getting so much money all poured into this biodefense arena, you know, and protecting against biological warfare. So it's it's really... You... And you could tell that this is just something they use by proxy. The the term conspiracy theorist, I think, came around when the...
• 1:13:21
  During the JFK assassination. They would use it to to to discredit people, and that's exactly what they do here. They don't want people talking about it, so they they put this stigma attached to it and start looking into it. Know?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: One thing I just wanna pull up, which is interesting, is if you look at the maps of the spread of Lyme, so this is on the CDC's website. Right? So if you look at, okay, we talked about the location of Plum Island is right around here, right? On the tip of Long Island on the East Coast. So this is '95, where obviously there was already a lot, but it's like, what do you think the epicenter is for this?
• 1:14:03
  Probably right around Long Island. Right? It's it's a concentric spread from Long Island, that's that's 95. K. Then here you go.
• 1:14:12
  Here's 2010, and you can see that, yeah, it's, you know, spreading all over the place. And then you get up into '20, 2025 or 2023, which is the most recent on this particular site webpage here. And you can see it's like, it's it's insane. You can imagine that, okay, if you fast forward another ten years, what is it? You know, half the country is gonna be full of cases of this.
• 1:14:36
  I mean, it's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: You gotta keep in mind as well is that they're only reporting those who test positive on that standard CDC test. There's Oh, you're right. Large majority of people infected actually test negative because of it's... Because it's so immunosuppressive. So what the true number would look like is probably, like, way worse than that.
• 1:15:01
  But, yeah, you can see. And what's interesting is how you see... I think I think Wisconsin, there's a little bit of activity.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You see actually. It's it's... Even from the... Like, earlier on here, you can see that right up in the...
• 1:15:17
  In that region, you know, primarily Wisconsin. You can see there's already a hotbed and you can see that it gets Eric
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Traub was doing tests. He was also facilitating and helping these tests that were going on at the University of Wisconsin.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Right. And another thing that I like to point out to people is that... So this Lyme disease first shows up in Germany actually and Europe. It basically follows him wherever he goes. So during the war they were using it.
• 1:15:56
  It was, you know, it comes out, it starts spreading through Eastern Europe and Germany and those areas. And then when he comes over to America, brings it with him. And then you see that whole thing play out. And down in... He's going back and forth to Colombia and South America to to Maryland and with the bird migration patterns.
• 1:16:23
  There was a there was a bird program we had called Operation Star Bright. This was just one of many programs in the bird program. The avian... I call it the avian vector program. But Operation Starbrite was something that kinda came out during the sixties, and there were actually protests.
• 1:16:50
  They were protesting the Smithsonian because Smithsonian had military contracts. And they were asked... They're... They were doing some research out in the Pacific Ocean, and they would be asked to feed mosquitoes on certain bird... Certain birds and then send the blood after, but they were not told what it was about or anything.
• 1:17:15
  So there was... And and I did have... There's a paper from Eric Traub from 1942 where he talked about how migratory birds could be used to spread disease to an enemy. These were things that... You know, because the average person has no idea how long this has actually been going on.
• 1:17:37
  It was it was it was already very sophisticated by that time. And, I mean, it's interesting because... But, yeah, it it basically follows him wherever he goes. It comes over, and now it's over here. And now it's a global.
• 1:17:57
  Now it's just gone global. It's all over the place. And there were other agents too. Like, another interesting thing is 1949, we had all these polio cases. And I was wondering if that may have actually been something from him because when he he had this mouse polio, they called it.
• 1:18:22
  And I'm wondering if he might have been creating new strains or whatnot. But, yeah, I mean, there were... One of the key one of the key pieces of evidence too were were these USDA conferences. Right? There was one particular USDA conference from 1953, and it was about biological warfare where they were they were...
• 1:18:47
  It was centered around biological warfare on the poultry industry. And they named avian spirocheteosis, that's the Borrelia, as an agent of special significance. And that's kind of like a watchword for, like, biological warfare agents. Agents of special significance, very vague term. They use these watchwords when talking, you know, amongst themselves so that they know what they're talking about.
• 1:19:16
  They'll have a vague term for something that is very specific for them. But if the average person were to see it, wouldn't think anything of it. That's kind of how they hide it. A lot of the biological warfare stuff is all hidden in the open literature or in the scientific publications. But those, you know, those those USDA conferences, there were a whole bunch of them, and they were talking about how an enemy could could select the time, place, how they could how they could use how they could use many similar diseases all rolled into one to create contradictory symptoms.
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  Right? And that's exactly what he did. This Russian doll cocktail basically of of tick borne infections. And it's like his whole his whole career, this was like the epicenter. He was looking at exactly all the stuff that Lyme disease does.
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  He basically... You know, the whole immune tolerance, the the virus reactivation aspect because it it it does that. And just... Also, the the protein misfolding, that was an area that he was he was looking at with this LCM virus because it's basically, like, these slow... Like, Alzheimer's diseases would be an example of a of a of a neurodegenerative disease that involves this protein misfolding or prion like proteins.
• 1:20:56
  And that was a huge thing. And and then the cancer side of it is another thing that is is huge because... And he didn't even mention it when he was at the Rockefeller Institute. It's only when he goes back to Germany and he's publishing a paper in German that he talks about how the lymphoma and leukemia skyrockets in the mouse colony. So they were looking at this as well from the perspective of, like, cancer warfare.
• 1:21:26
  Right? And the show... So the Soviet Union, when they got in... When they captured his his lab, there was a a Soviet bioweapon here by the name of the name of M. P.
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  Chumakov or Mikhail P. Chumakov. And he was involved in testing a lot of tick borne diseases over in The Soviet Union against the Muslims and Mongolian populations in the nineteen thirties. Well, that guy actually comes over... Goes down to Insul Rims when it was captured, and he met with Eric Chabs several times trying to gain more information about this immune tolerance and about this LCM virus, all of the mechanisms involved.
• 1:22:16
  And then Chumakov, only several years later, teams up with Albert Sabin from the US public health system, and they start working on a polio vaccine. And it was it was, you know, huge red flag. Like, he was cleared to go work with MP Chumikov. He would take trips to Russia and vice versa, and they would be working on this new polio vaccine. And the other polio vaccine, the inactivated polio vaccine, was also made by this Jonas Salk.
• 1:22:55
  Jonas Salk was the inventor of it. And I talked about it in the last chapter of my book. There was an FBI investigation into him, and it was found that he had all of these ties to these communist front groups. And he was actually deemed a security risk. But then a second investigation comes, and they say, no.
• 1:23:18
  We don't think he's a risk anymore. And that was probably because of how compromised the FBI was at that time. That was another thing that plays into this, that the the FBI was very compromised. That's how they also got Eric Traub over here as well through compromised people and the intelligence and FBI. And so they let Jonas Salk get away with...
• 1:23:43
  They basically... He's no no longer a security risk. He makes the inactivated polio vaccine, which, by the way, is contaminated by that s v forty and all of these other, you know, animal viruses or at least that one and there was there was, I think, several others. But so was so was Albert Sabin and M. P.
• 1:24:05
  Chumacar's vaccine as well. So... It was weird because that virus has p 40 acts a lot like the LCM virus, and one could say there's some evidence to suggest that that may have been a deliberate thing. And that was on the market for a full five years before they even started addressing it. Very, very controversial.
• 1:24:29
  There were some there were some congressional hearings that came out later on about this event. But to have a guy... So... And back at that time, they started diverting a lot of our intelligence away from biological warfare and instead focusing on the nuclear threat. And back at that time, this left a huge gap open in our system where they weren't assessing the threat.
• 1:24:59
  Even though the Soviet Union was, like, going all out at that time into building their biological welfare program, We're sending this guy over there to team up with him. It just... It didn't make any sense. And so I go into it in the last chapter in my book, but what is what is extremely disturbing is after that whole collaboration, MP Chumakov's son, Constantin Chumakov, is able to come over to The US and start working in the public health system. And because of Albert Sabin, he vouches for him.
• 1:25:38
  He's like, oh, yeah. He's a great... I know his father and this and that. He gets him a job at National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Then he works his way to the FDA.
• 1:25:50
  And MP Chumak... MP Chumakov's son, Konstantin Chumakov, was at at... He worked at the the vaccine safety and review at the FDA. He was head of vaccine safety and review at the FDA during the approval of the COVID nineteen vaccines. And now you have s v four coming up again.
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  Right?
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  Speaker 1: Which is a Syrian virus. Right? Because that's in that's that's in the shot. Right?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: Right. And so it's just very coincidental. Right? I mean, how many coincidences do we need here? But it's it's like here comes, you know, the Chumacov again, and we got this recipe 40 thing going on again.
• 1:26:32
  It's it's very... I mean, if someone were if someone were to read the sleeper agent and learn... Because I talk about all of this stuff. And then to know that that guy's son got got a job, you know, leading vaccine research and vaccine safety review at the FDA, a huge red flag. Like, even even just considering putting something...
• 1:26:54
  Putting someone with that kind of background, I would think would be a huge security risk.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like... Yeah. There's there's a bunch of metaphors I... You know, about that.
• 1:27:06
  It's it's it's, you know
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  Speaker 2: It comes full circle. Yeah. It really comes
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: full letting the fox guard the hens at night. I mean, it's it's ridiculous. Yeah. And it does come full circle. Yeah.
• 1:27:17
  Well, Adam, what a fascinating discussion. This this went... I I I was expecting it to be interesting because I've I've, you know, kind of followed your work and watched some of your stuff on your channel and everything, but this is just... This is wild. I wanna bring up your book one more time, and I'll I'll put the...
• 1:27:34
  So you you can find it on Amazon, but also this is a place if you don't wanna support Amazon, it's on Try and Day. Great, great, you know, book publisher here. They've got a lot of really good stuff on here, bookstore. I'll put the link on there as well if you wanna get it there. And, yeah, I mean, this is this is...
• 1:27:51
  It's really important information because, you know, the the whole saying is like, you don't know your history, you're doomed to repeat it. But the fact that what we're living in is just a cycle of not just not knowing history and it repeating, but you can see that the history is a template. They keep repeating over and over and over again. And, unfortunately, most people are just blind to this. I think that COVID helped a lot of people to see through a lot of this, but still a lot of people, I think, aren't aware of any of this.
• 1:28:22
  And I I feel like that if more people learn this information and start asking the right questions, that we can start to understand why the world is so sick, why the health care system is so broken, why there's all these new diseases. It makes me wonder, like, gosh, how healthy would the global population be if man never stepped foot into some sort of biological lab to figure out how to poison people?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the whole mental illness aspect.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: The mental health aspect. And that's something that I found directly tied into my research with the neurological side of immune tolerance, creates these neuropsychiatric diseases and disorders. And it makes the whole... For me, it explains a lot of our current society and why it's just like people are just losing it and people are just... They had a lot of research into disease agents that could target the brain and and cause a lot of these nasty, you know, these these horrible neuropsychiatric problems.
• 1:29:34
  And so it's all... I mean, we're getting hit from every angle. It's not just the biological angle or the biowulf angle, but it's kind of like my... The way I see it is that our system has been taken over.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Taken over, and it's it's at the point where they're now able to use it as a weapon against us pretty much.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I couldn't agree more, man. Well, Adam, I think we we we have come full circle. I think we we've told a pretty compelling story in this. I'll bring your book up again.
• 1:30:07
  I'll make sure the link for it is in the description. I encourage people to buy it, just to learn, to support your work. It's important that people like you are able to do this and able to kind of subsist in... Through what you're doing. And so I encourage people to support you through this, you know, purchasing your book and following your work.
• 1:30:26
  And again, man, I I really... I thank you for the time that you've given us today. This was really, really interesting, and I've got a lot of things to think about after this. So thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's been good. Well, thanks, man. Take care, and and let me know if there's any updates or any new books coming out because this is this is right up my alley.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Cool, yeah. Anytime you wanna talk, I'm always... I can always make time.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Alright. Appreciate it, man. Thank you very much. Awesome.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Have a good one.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: You too. I hope you enjoyed that conversation. I thought that Adam was really fascinating. He gave me a lot to think about. Now, when Adam talked about what he believes was this connection between Lyme disease and parasites, It reminded me of a conversation I had with my good friend, Doctor.
• 1:31:14
  Brian Artis, where he went through this exact same scenario and went even deeper into it. So I pulled out a short clip from the interview to show you because it connects directly to what Adam was talking about. So check it out.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: Lymes is basically this. They know ticks. There's a connection to a deer tick that bites humans and introduces a specific egg of a parasite into your body. Ticks inject into a mammal parasite eggs leading to a symptom called Lyme's or a disease called Lyme's eventually. Okay.
• 1:31:45
  So if you treat the bacteria, you can find a bacterial infection or you see a white blood cell count go on in the blood work of someone complaining of Lyme symptoms, your MD is gonna write a basic prescription for an antibiotic every time. Let's just give you an antibiotic. It looks like you're having a bacterial infection. Let's just see if that handles it. It does look like Lyme's, but let's see if it goes away.
• 1:32:02
  And when it never goes away or you see patterns of inflammation, lowered inflammation, more inflammation, lowered inflammation, they're gonna call you an autoimmune case of limes, and you're pro... They're probably gonna tell you you're gonna be sick for life with this condition when the truth is there's actually a worm in your body secreting all this bacteria that no one's addressing. And if you simply did a stool sample test, a GI stool sample test, you would identify which parasites are in the body, what life cycles of those parasites are in the body being released through your feces, through your stool sample, and you can identify the species by name, where you picked up this infection from. So if you test positive for the parasites, I recommend a three month supply of this Freedom Cleanse Restore supplement kit, which has wormwood in it, which has green walnut hull extract in it, which has dandelion root, which are all known antiparasitics. So you can clear lupus, fibromyalgia, Lyme's disease, and it's pooping parasites out of the body using this kit, which is nature's combined herbs known to kill all these parasites.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: I've looked at a lot of different parasite cleanses. I've done a lot of them. This one looks phenomenal, not to mention it's developed by this guy who's been doing this for fifty years. So I would recommend you do the stool test to see if you do have any parasites, or if you have Lyme issues to kind of pinpoint exactly what's going on, But I've done these parasite cleanses before, not this exact one, but these are very, very potent, very powerful. And I actually really trust the one that was developed by the guy who's been doing this for over fifty years.
• 1:33:41
  So the URL to go directly to this cleanse is sethcleanse.com. So again, that's sethcleanse.com, will take you straight to this page right here to make it easy for you and give it a shot, yeah, give it a shot, let me know what you think, thank you.