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Graffiti Isn't A Part of Hip Hop?! · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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Speaker 1: Coming up. On this week's episode of hip Hop Now podcast,
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Speaker 1: Max B's wave sounds like it's over or is it?
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Speaker 1: Jay Z said, what about graffiti? And dazz Dyllinger of
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Speaker 1: the Dog Pound is a old ninja trying to go
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Speaker 1: viral but no one seems to care. But we're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about it. Let's do it. Welcome to Jim Pop
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Speaker 1: Let's get ready to the business. So we heard about
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Speaker 1: Max B and his comments specifically about Big Daddy Kane
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Speaker 1: and how he's better than him and bigger than him
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Speaker 1: and all these things right musically, and the Internet basically
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Speaker 1: fired off at Max B. You had Kat too like
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Speaker 1: he don't know Kine, he don't know what it was
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Speaker 1: like to be around in that era of Kane to
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Speaker 1: say that, Why would he say that? And then you
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Speaker 1: have some people who like, who the hell is Max B?
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Speaker 1: Right now? Max B, for those who don't know, was big.
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Speaker 1: And when I say big, that might be more locally
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Speaker 1: than anything, but there you know, he was around during
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Speaker 1: the Internet ever, so maybe he was a little bit
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Speaker 1: bigger than that, just not just local. I think he
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Speaker 1: was bigger than not just local, but he wasn't like
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Speaker 1: the guy running the game. I think he was big
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Speaker 1: for a specific generation of hip hop fans. We all know.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you heard Jim Jones we fly high,
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Speaker 1: no lie, you know this balling? That was Max B.
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Speaker 1: That wasn't Jim Jones. I like that song. Some people say, yah,
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Speaker 1: I don't really like it. I liked it when it
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Speaker 1: came out because I didn't like Jim Jones at all
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Speaker 1: as a rapper. I think he got better, but we
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Speaker 1: know why. A lot of a lot of what made
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Speaker 1: Jim Jones better came from Max B. And his his
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Speaker 1: signature was he was the wave, which was true at
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Speaker 1: the time his stock was rising as as an artist.
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Speaker 1: And you know, and if you go on to YouTube's
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Speaker 1: and you search a lot of beef back then there's
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of like coverage of how big Max
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Speaker 1: B was at that time in hip hop until he
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Speaker 1: went to prison for a very long time. And you
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Speaker 1: know what happens to some people, some rappers, and especially
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Speaker 1: if you go to jail for a long time, prison
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Speaker 1: for a long time, you your wave is over right
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Speaker 1: because hip hop moves fast. Hip hop moves like technology fast,
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Speaker 1: so people move on. People forget. But throughout the years
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Speaker 1: people wanted to, you know, they were nostalgic for Max B.
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Speaker 1: Like man free Max B. Blah blah blah. People say
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Speaker 1: free things. And this man was in jail from murder
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Speaker 1: of which he actually played a role, and he didn't
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Speaker 1: pull the trigger for those who don't know, but you
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Speaker 1: know how that go free Max B. Free Max B.
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Speaker 1: He started getting nostalgic and Max B's coming home, And
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Speaker 1: I think I heard Max B's coming home for about
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Speaker 1: five years straight. But then he eventually came home, and everybody,
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Speaker 1: including myself, who was somewhat of a fan, was like excited,
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Speaker 1: like yo, it's good to have somebody back in the
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Speaker 1: game who was sort of doing things differently. And we
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Speaker 1: always award MC's for being unique because that's where it begins.
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Speaker 1: And if you're wondering musically, because this is for the
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Speaker 1: people who've never heard Max B. Do not going there
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Speaker 1: expecting bars, don't go listen to this old stuff like okay,
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Speaker 1: let me see it a double lotton thungs. You're not
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Speaker 1: gonna hear him fan it like the kids say, it
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Speaker 1: was a vibe. It was a flow more than anything
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Speaker 1: that made him popular, same way Stove got right. Like Stoke,
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Speaker 1: people like Stove God mainly for his flow. Right for
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Speaker 1: the most part, he got bars, but mainly for his flow.
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Speaker 1: So Max B gets out, he drops a project and
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Speaker 1: it is a done. He sounds uninspired, uninterested, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know he might have been inspired and interested, but
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Speaker 1: it didn't sound that way, so I guess people were
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Speaker 1: kind of giving him a chance. Then he does a
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Speaker 1: freestyle and he also looks uninspired and disinterested. And you know,
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Speaker 1: people make comedy skins. That's the one where if you're
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Speaker 1: on video, just the one where he was just doing
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Speaker 1: this the whole time while he was freestyling. So people
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Speaker 1: kind of made fun with that or whatever. And he
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Speaker 1: d two projects now one just dropped, but he dropped
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Speaker 1: the project with French Montana, which I thought was smart, like, yo,
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Speaker 1: he has a fan base that's kind of current, so
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Speaker 1: use him to get this new fan base to know
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Speaker 1: Max B. But he sounds uninspired on there, like I mean,
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Speaker 1: French Montana saum better than Max B on there. And
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Speaker 1: then they released another project, but that was after he
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Speaker 1: said these things about the King. So for all that
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Speaker 1: being said, Max B wound up having to like remove
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Speaker 1: whatever he posted. I think he did like a live
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Speaker 1: or just a video of himself talking about he was
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Speaker 1: better and bigger and all that, and everybody, you know,
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Speaker 1: even even l L subliminally, at least to me, seemed
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Speaker 1: to throw shots at him, and more so for him
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Speaker 1: being ungrateful for the pioneers who paved a way so
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Speaker 1: he can make money, so he can get business deals.
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Speaker 1: So like Max B was just catching a lot of heat.
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Speaker 1: Then he goes on Complex Complex at a time where
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Speaker 1: they're doing another list and I think it was like
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Speaker 1: a top fifty New York rappers list and Max B
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Speaker 1: wasn't on it. So he walked out of the interview,
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Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about that. I did a lot right
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Speaker 1: there and took up a lot of time in this
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Speaker 1: podcast just to say Max B will never be bigger
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Speaker 1: than what Kin was. You can point to money and
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Speaker 1: all that, but you're just ignorant to inflation, right, and
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Speaker 1: in this case, it is popularity inflation. Kin's popularity in
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Speaker 1: the eighties off of singles was way bigger than Max
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Speaker 1: B's with the kids, right, And that doesn't mean Max
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Speaker 1: B wasn't hot, because he was at a time, but
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Speaker 1: King was not just popular. He had a rhyme flow
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Speaker 1: that hadn't no one else was doing it right, and
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Speaker 1: it kind of burst the Black Thoughts flow wise, the
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Speaker 1: Black Thoughts and the jay Zs as far as how
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Speaker 1: you put your words together and how you flow. And
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Speaker 1: you can watch big Daddy King, you know, rapping about
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Speaker 1: that on his channel or the short I put up
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Speaker 1: now and you can go listen to Max Be and
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Speaker 1: realized they're not on the same plane field as MC's
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Speaker 1: And if it weren't to L's point, if it weren't
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Speaker 1: for pioneers and rappers who made rap cool, without the
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Speaker 1: resources you have available to yourself today to be hot,
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Speaker 1: you could get yourself high and be completely whack. People
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Speaker 1: might just like, yo, I kind of vibe with this video.
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Speaker 1: That don't mean I don't mean the song that great.
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Speaker 1: They just kind of vibe with what's going on back then, didn't.
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Speaker 1: You didn't have that option. If our press play or
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Speaker 1: the radio or the DJ or whatever wanted to listen
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Speaker 1: to your music, you had to prove it right then
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Speaker 1: and there lyrically and music, and we couldn't see your
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Speaker 1: face yet until you dropped the video or something for it,
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Speaker 1: or somebody happened to go to a show to actually
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Speaker 1: see you. So it's another example of like a certain
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Speaker 1: or a younger generation, because Max B's not that young,
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Speaker 1: but a younger than Kane's generation. Just younger generations feeling
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Speaker 1: like in order to validate their success, they have to
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Speaker 1: stand on, well, not even stand disrespect the success of
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Speaker 1: their predecessors who paid the way. Guess what that is,
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Speaker 1: Max B. It's not success at all. Next same, So,
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Speaker 1: y'all remember when jay Z did that interview let me
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Speaker 1: just turn it, JA be quiet, be quiet? Not yet,
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Speaker 1: not yet? Hold up? Hold up, j be quiet. So
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Speaker 1: y'all remember when jay Z did that interview with GQ,
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Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of all like, honestly, I
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Speaker 1: didn't watch the whole interview. I just watched snippets here
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Speaker 1: and there. But within that interview from not that long ago,
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Speaker 1: Jay said that graffiti wasn't a part of hip hop.
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Speaker 1: Let me see if I could play for you real quick.
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Speaker 2: Break dancing yep, answer graffiti yep, DJ and bottle graffiti yeah,
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Speaker 2: beautiful you know in certain places. Yeah, and even in
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Speaker 2: like you know, major art and like Keith Herron, Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 2: in boskiot actually the street artist took it to the
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Speaker 2: next level. It's not part of hip hop.
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Speaker 1: Now. That's that that's crazy because he laid out he's
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Speaker 1: like hip hop four elements and graffiti was a part
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Speaker 1: of the elements. Then he went on to talk about
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Speaker 1: it and talk about you know, certain artists who also
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Speaker 1: done graffiti, and then he said that's not hip hop.
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Speaker 1: So I wonder if what he means is kind of
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Speaker 1: being misconstrewed a little bit right, like he's he maybe
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Speaker 1: he's talking about there's a specific type of graffiti that
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Speaker 1: was rampant in the eighties that was hip hop aka
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Speaker 1: writers aka nas just dropped a very dope song what
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Speaker 1: DJ Premier called writers saluting graffiti in hip hop, and
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Speaker 1: here go Jay talking like this. But I like maybe
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Speaker 1: he was talking because as you can see, the clip
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Speaker 1: cuts off right there, so you don't hear the reaction
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Speaker 1: or even if he said more about it. But it
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Speaker 1: felt like he was saying, certain artists who did graffiti,
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Speaker 1: their version of graffiti isn't hip hop, right, because maybe
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Speaker 1: it's something more. Maybe it's something that's inspired by graffiti
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Speaker 1: and went on to be something more, but it's not
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Speaker 1: typical of what the writers did in hip hop. Now,
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Speaker 1: if that's what he's saying, I get it. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of disrespectful to those guys, especially Boski, who you know,
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Speaker 1: you twish the dreads up like him all the time,
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Speaker 1: who's not here to defend his position. But the thing
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Speaker 1: is is, well, what do you really mean jay You
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Speaker 1: said it's hip hop, but then you said it is it?
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Speaker 1: Which one is it? And jay Z would know. Oh,
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Speaker 1: he's older than me, so he definitely was conscious of
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Speaker 1: the rise of hip hop in the late seventies early
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Speaker 1: eighties because he was old enough to comprehend what was happening.
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Speaker 1: So I just find it interesting that this is circulating
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Speaker 1: now for an interview that came out probably a month ago,
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Speaker 1: and also circulating a month ahead of his big The
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Speaker 1: Roots Picnic that he's about to do and probably more importantly,
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Speaker 1: the Reasonable Doubt Blueprint show. He's going to do a
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Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium in June? Right, So do I agree? Hell no,
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Speaker 1: I don't agree. Hip hop is exactly what he said
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Speaker 1: in the beginning of that clip. If it wasn't, Claire
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Speaker 1: and I had to take it out, I'm sorry. But
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Speaker 1: him saying, you know, rap, Djane, break, dancing in graffiti,
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Speaker 1: those are the four pillars of hip hop. It will
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Speaker 1: always be. No amount of money or perspective will change that.
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Speaker 1: And lastly, all right, so hold on a lost in place.
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Speaker 1: So if you follow, not saying you should or shouldn't,
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Speaker 1: but if you follow Daz Dillinger dazz Up the Dog
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Speaker 1: Pound Dazz who's produced a lot of hits you like,
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Speaker 1: especially a couple of Tupac joints. You follow him on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: He's extremely controversial, right, there's a lot he'll go in
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Speaker 1: there and say or do or announce that sometimes may
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Speaker 1: throw you off, like word that happened, he did what
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Speaker 1: he said what? But probably most recently the thing that
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Speaker 1: stood out was kind of like a feud with Snoop
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Speaker 1: public feud which seemed to be over money, probably publishing
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Speaker 1: or rights or something like that, which Daz has been
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Speaker 1: vocal about that even back during the Death Road days
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Speaker 1: about you know, his money and what he's old and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and you know, antagonizing shook Knights saying,
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Speaker 1: you know, he beat him up or slam him or
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Speaker 1: whatever because he said he did that before. Just all
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Speaker 1: these different things. So now to continue, I guess his
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Speaker 1: feud with the New Death Row, which was purchased by
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Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg and Dog Pound put out a very dope
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Speaker 1: album maybe two years ago. Now he's he's still like
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Speaker 1: beefing with Snoop publicly and posting, you know, like I
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Speaker 1: guess if Snoop sent him a video or posted a video,
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Speaker 1: he'll repost and call him a snat, and it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, there was the old Shug and this is
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Speaker 1: the new Shug as far, and he's really just talking
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Speaker 1: about finances and publishing and rights and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: And I think it has more to do with their
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Speaker 1: situation on Death Row talking about dog Pound, Like maybe
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Speaker 1: maybe Dad feels like he's not being fairly compensated. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what his deal is, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: he's signed, but he's clearly angry about it, so angry
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Speaker 1: that he's selling his own version of the Chronic. Now,
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Speaker 1: I ain't in front the cover. Look God, even though
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Speaker 1: it's the same cover, right, it's just black and gold.
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Speaker 1: But then also one of corrupts albums, Streets is a mother. Now.
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Speaker 1: I know Daz has said this time and time throughout history.
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Speaker 1: And I know some people they look at status and
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Speaker 1: they want to believe the biggest star versus the little star.
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Speaker 1: But sometimes the little star is telling the truth and
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Speaker 1: the big star is in saying anything. But I know
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Speaker 1: he said he contributed a lot to production, and ghost
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Speaker 1: production is a thing, it just is. Now, I'm not
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Speaker 1: here to say that Daz really produced the chronic and
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Speaker 1: Doctor Dre didn't. I don't believe that whatsoever. But did
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Speaker 1: he probably contribute in some respects or does he have
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Speaker 1: a beat or two on it?
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Speaker 2: Dad?
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Speaker 1: He actually did as a ghost producer. That's that's part
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Speaker 1: for the course, that's the game, especially when you're coming up.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Dre's the man, and sometimes Yo, surety go work
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Speaker 1: on that track for me. You ain't gonna get credit.
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Speaker 1: But he go a chain, or he go a car
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Speaker 1: or hige, you know, some stacks you know for your
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Speaker 1: bank account. And when you fresh in the game, sometimes
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Speaker 1: you just do it. But then as you're maturing to
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Speaker 1: get older, you realize, like, Yo, I should have had this,
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Speaker 1: I should probably get this. He made this much money
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Speaker 1: off of this song and I did the whole dame,
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Speaker 1: and I ain't get it done. I don't think you
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Speaker 1: can cry over business decisions you failed to make early on.
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Speaker 1: And though it's unfair to take advantage of hungry, talented
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Speaker 1: producers and artists, it is the record industry. One of
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Speaker 1: the greatest things about the Internet, social media and all
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Speaker 1: that today is you have complete access to the world
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Speaker 1: of fans who made like your music. Back in the
21:44
Speaker 1: days you had zero access independently, unless you was going
21:50
Speaker 1: hand in hand, you still was local. You would have
21:52
Speaker 1: to travel the world with your music. In order to
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Speaker 1: expose people to get music without a record deal, you
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Speaker 1: needed a record So a lot of people sacrifice, you know,
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Speaker 1: certain rights and music and work that they've done early
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Speaker 1: on to get it opportunity to be exposed so they
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Speaker 1: can make money, you know, down the line. And I
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Speaker 1: feel like with Daz, he's still kind of crying over
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Speaker 1: some of those things. He just will never get back
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Speaker 1: because if he could, he'd get it in the court
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Speaker 1: of law and that'll be that, of course, but apparently
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Speaker 1: that's not the case. So now he's on guerrilla time.
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Speaker 1: He has his own copies of The Chronic, and if
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Speaker 1: anybody buys that, you're crazy, like why the Chronic has
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Speaker 1: been out for so long? It's available and streaming services.
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Speaker 1: If you're buying Daz's version of The Chronic, which I
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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the cover is just different, maybe he
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Speaker 1: put his name in the line of notes, then you're
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Speaker 1: just there to agree with him and support whatever he
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Speaker 1: says because you think he's been cheated and maybe he's right.
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Speaker 1: But I really feel like going this route just makes
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Speaker 1: him look bad because I checked for dazz music here
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Speaker 1: and there because I like his production. But the majority
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Speaker 1: of hip hop fans, even back in the days, they
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Speaker 1: listen to the dog pounds dog food and that is it.
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Speaker 1: They don't follow Daz, they don't check for him. They nothing.
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Speaker 1: So if the first time they hearing from you in
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Speaker 1: decades is you bootlegging you know, def ro albums and
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Speaker 1: corrupts album of all things, you're just gonna look fould.
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Speaker 1: You're just gonna look bad. You do look bad, even
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Speaker 1: if you're right about whatever your dispute is with Snoop,
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Speaker 1: which is more recent, if you signed a contract without
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