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Scorned Hairstylist Hires Hitman On Tinder to Murder Ex & His Teen Daughter: Cops · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Did a scorned hairstylist hire a hit man on Tender
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Speaker 2: of all places to brutally assassinate her ex boyfriend and,
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Speaker 2: wait for it.
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Speaker 1: His teen daughter?
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Speaker 2: This according to cops. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: A New Jersey woman is accused of attempting to hire
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Speaker 3: a hitman off popular dating app Tender.
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Speaker 1: Could this be?
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Speaker 2: Did the scorned hairstylist want revenge so badly she wanted
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Speaker 2: to assassinate her ex boyfriend and his teen daughter? How
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Speaker 2: did the teen daughter get roped into this? You know,
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Speaker 2: I've got an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But joining me in addition
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Speaker 2: to an all star panel is a very special guest.
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Speaker 2: This is a man, a former husband, a father, who
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Speaker 2: endured a hit shot nine times when his ex wife
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Speaker 2: wanted to gain control of money that was meant to
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Speaker 2: raise their son. Joining me, Baron Lee, shot nine times,
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Speaker 2: all ordered by your wife. Now, I've always been amazed, Baron.
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Speaker 2: If I may call you that, I feel like I
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Speaker 2: know you. We've discussed your case. I've talked to you
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Speaker 2: and thought about you so many times since the incident.
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Speaker 2: What went through your mind as you were lying there?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you can.
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Speaker 2: Process all of the facts that here you were just
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Speaker 2: out in the parking lot, minding your own business. And
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Speaker 2: why you, of all people, why were you assailed by
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Speaker 2: unknown guys and shot nine times?
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Speaker 1: What went through your mind?
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Speaker 4: I realized diet at gaining moment, and then I was wondering,
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Speaker 4: you know who? Actually, at the time I knew who
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Speaker 4: who was ordering a hit on me. I just didn't
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Speaker 4: know who the shooter was at the time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you were shot point blank. I will never
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Speaker 2: forget it. All in a bid by your ex wife
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Speaker 2: to gain control of that money set aside to help
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Speaker 2: raise your son. How has your son reacted to what
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Speaker 2: happened to you?
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Speaker 1: Baron?
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Speaker 4: Well, my son is non mobile, nonverbal, so fortunately he
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Speaker 4: doesn't have a trauma to deal with like other kids
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Speaker 4: would have had to, so he has no idea what happened.
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Speaker 2: You know what, Thank goodness that this did not weigh
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Speaker 2: on his mind on top of everything else, and that
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Speaker 2: was a considerable amount of money to help raise him
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Speaker 2: to secure his future, which he is going to need.
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Speaker 1: Why did she do it? Baron?
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Speaker 4: H You know, I asked myself that every single day,
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Speaker 4: I just say appears to it is what comes down to.
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Speaker 2: Guy's a guy that lived through a similar hit. But
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Speaker 2: to the case in chief, baron, don't move. I want
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Speaker 2: your take on this. First of all, take a listen.
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Speaker 2: They were together for approximately a year and there was
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Speaker 2: clearly problems in the relationship.
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Speaker 5: During the detention here in Camden County, Assistant Prosecutor David
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Speaker 5: Deets outlined a screenshot of a text message where Diorio
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Speaker 5: negotiates the price for the hit. Another text message has
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Speaker 5: the defendant discussing a prior attempt to hire someone to
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Speaker 5: kill her. Ex recorded conversation between Diorio and the informant
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Speaker 5: was also submitted.
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Speaker 2: That from our friends at CBS News three, joining me
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Speaker 2: as I said an all star panel straight out to
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Speaker 2: Rodrigo terrehone Crime and Course reporter at the Philly Inquirer, Rodriguo,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How did this whole
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Speaker 2: thing start? It's my understanding that the would be killer
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Speaker 2: is a scorned hairstylist, and we heard Elliot the get
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Speaker 2: Go say there were problems in the relationship, But Rodrigue,
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Speaker 2: their problems in every relationship. My husband as I like
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Speaker 2: to say my current husband and I never had an
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Speaker 2: argument until we had the twins, and then we immediately
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Speaker 2: started arguing about how they would be raised. Practically every decision,
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Speaker 2: what time to go to bed, how many bottles would
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Speaker 2: you go in?
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Speaker 1: The bottle? You name it? Okay, and that goes on today.
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Speaker 2: That's our sole source of argument, what is best for
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Speaker 2: our children.
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Speaker 1: So, yes, every relationship has ups and downs, but.
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Speaker 6: Really, prosecutors say that the relationship, like the Comic County
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Speaker 6: prosecutor mentioned earlier, between Jacqueline the Orio and Officer o'hanlan,
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Speaker 6: started around a year ago and quickly turned pretty volatile.
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Speaker 6: You know, there was a few months that seemed like
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Speaker 6: the relationship was going and around August there was an
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Speaker 6: allegation of restraining order that was filed by the officer
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Speaker 6: against the So things turns our relatively quickly. The next month,
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Speaker 6: the officer reported that his house was damaged by a
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Speaker 6: Molotov cocktail that was thrown at it. There has not
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Speaker 6: been any sort of clear link between the extra sold on.
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Speaker 2: Just a second, Tetahan, you're putting the cart before the horse.
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Speaker 2: I got to get into it, Okay, I know about
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Speaker 2: the Molotov I know about the beginning of the relationship,
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Speaker 2: but what I don't know about is the intricacies of
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Speaker 2: that relationship.
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Speaker 1: What went wrong? Why did they break up? Why couldn't
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Speaker 1: she just move on?
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Speaker 2: As my grandmother said, meant no offense to you, of course, Rodrigo,
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Speaker 2: that men are like buses. Anyone will come along every
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. So why does she fixate so much on
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Speaker 2: the boyfriend to the extent she wanted him dead and
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Speaker 2: wanted his teen daughter dead too. Did that come about, Rodrigo?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's unclear. Still, like I said, there was
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Speaker 6: a few months where everything seemed to be going smoothly,
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Speaker 6: and from one month to another there was some sort
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Speaker 6: of volatility between them, some sort of intention to say
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Speaker 6: the least, and there was a restraining order filed by
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Speaker 6: the officer against the oreo, and the attorney for the
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Speaker 6: oreo later said that there was also a restreating order
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Speaker 6: that she filed against.
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Speaker 7: Him that was later withdrawn.
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Speaker 2: So there's straight out to Greg Moores following up on
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Speaker 2: what Rodrigo Tara Han just said. Greg Moore's high profile
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Speaker 2: lawyer joining us a Morse legal currently counsel.
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Speaker 1: To the SEI. A. Well, you've got.
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Speaker 2: Your hands full, Greg, dueling tros down'd you just love that?
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Speaker 2: And of course I'm being sarcastic when a real victim
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Speaker 2: comes into court for a temporary restraining order and what
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Speaker 2: is the other one.
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Speaker 1: To race back in to go? Uhh, I'm not a fault.
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Speaker 2: It's them all of this going on. When I see
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Speaker 2: dueling restraining orders, that's a bad sign. It's not going
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Speaker 2: to get any better, Greg Morse, Dueling.
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Speaker 7: Tros are a defense lawyer's dream. It means both people
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Speaker 7: are claiming to be victims, both people are claiming to
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Speaker 7: be the abuser. It shows a history of back and forth.
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Speaker 7: So this is a volatile relationship from both folks in
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Speaker 7: this situation.
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Speaker 2: You know, my guess is they There is no evidence
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Speaker 2: that the victim was volatile.
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Speaker 1: The victim was a cop, by the way. But that said, he's.
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Speaker 2: Not the one that ordered a hit according to police,
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Speaker 2: he's not the one that went on Tender, a dating
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Speaker 2: site if you want to.
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Speaker 1: Call it that. That's a hookup site, that's what that is.
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Speaker 2: But that said, he didn't go on Tender and pretend
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Speaker 2: he was looking for.
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Speaker 1: A date and goes, oh, by the way, can you
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Speaker 1: meet me.
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Speaker 2: At wah Wah's Grocery so I can pay you to
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Speaker 2: shoot my ex. That wasn't him, that's her Moores, So
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Speaker 2: don't tune up.
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Speaker 1: First thing, I ask you about.
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Speaker 2: Tros and you try to say it's the victim's fault.
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Speaker 1: Does it never end with you?
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Speaker 7: No, it's not that they're both victims. They both had tros,
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Speaker 7: and people withdraw them all the time because.
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Speaker 8: They get back together and then they have them all
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Speaker 8: to would the victim?
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Speaker 1: Could you just explain what maybe you know? Let me
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Speaker 1: direct you to Webster's Dictionary. And I don't mean online,
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Speaker 1: you need.
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Speaker 2: The hard copy. What do you think victim means? How
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Speaker 2: is she a victim? He goes to get a tro
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Speaker 2: and she's like, race, this is to the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: I'm first, I'm first judged. Call me first. How is
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Speaker 1: she the victim? He broke up with her.
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Speaker 2: And she could stand it in order to hint to
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Speaker 2: kill him.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a murder scene? Have you
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Speaker 1: smelled and coagulated blood? Because I have, and I hope
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Speaker 1: I never do again. That's what she wanted.
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Speaker 7: I've been to quite a few and have gotten plenty
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Speaker 7: of not guilty. The murder cases we have in this case.
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Speaker 2: How you managed to merge a dead body with you
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Speaker 2: getting a not guilty. Excuse me, Jackie, could you toot
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Speaker 2: his horn for him? No, he's doing that himself. You
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Speaker 2: are asking you about how he's the thing she wanted
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Speaker 2: him dead on the ground with his team dead.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, you have a cl on their own for four days,
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Speaker 7: creating this story. Potentially the defense has something to work
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Speaker 7: with here. When have you ever heard of a CI
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Speaker 7: doing their own kind of case on Tinder and then
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Speaker 7: all of a sudden going to the police four days later.
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Speaker 7: That creates opportunities?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you know I got a wonderful answer for you. Okay,
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Speaker 2: and her name as Dahlia Dippolito. Are you actually asking
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Speaker 2: me how does a CI confidential? You know, I'm not
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Speaker 2: impressed by you throwing around cop talk. Everybody that's watching
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Speaker 2: crime stories knows CI is a confidential informant. But thank
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Speaker 2: you for trying. Okay, Next, what are you going to
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Speaker 2: throw a Latin phrase at me that said.
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Speaker 1: You're looking at Are you usual.
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Speaker 2: For a CI to go online to traffic killer? Because
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Speaker 2: it's not is that what you're saying?
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Speaker 7: No, but it doesn't seem like from the police report
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Speaker 7: that the police were involved in this the first four days.
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Speaker 7: So what they have a meeting in a god in.
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Speaker 1: Heaven, they did get involved.
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Speaker 2: No, put your feet to the fire, Morse, because you
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Speaker 2: said what CI, which is an arm of LA law
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Speaker 2: enforcement goes online to traffic killer?
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Speaker 1: Who would do that? Hey? Listen to this? Do you
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Speaker 1: know how many times I've watched that?
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Speaker 2: And there's a longer version two, which I will absolutely play. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Dahlia Dippolito hires a hitman to murder her husband, and
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Speaker 2: as in this case with the Molotov cocktail that Rodrigo
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Speaker 2: Tetahan was telling us about and prior attempts, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: her first try.
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Speaker 1: According to Ellie, she tried to poison her husband in
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Speaker 1: a Starbucks.
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Speaker 2: I'm not even going to mention that she was a hooker, okay,
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Speaker 2: because that's neither here nor there.
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Speaker 1: Before she got married and he took her away from
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Speaker 1: all that.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, they stinger, Why did they stinger because they had
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Speaker 2: l E law enforcement as the would be assassin. Same
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Speaker 2: thing as here, and Morrise, you're acting like you've never
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Speaker 2: heard anything like it, Like it's a big entrapment to
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Speaker 2: John Pizzorro, former in New Jersey State Police investigator twenty
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Speaker 2: five years.
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Speaker 1: You know there's a lot going down in New Jersey.
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Speaker 2: Homicide, organized crime, cartels, commander of the Internet, crimes against children,
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Speaker 2: It goes on and on. Currently, CEO of RAVEN focused
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Speaker 2: on eliminating child exploitation and trafficking.
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Speaker 1: John, you've certainly seen it all.
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Speaker 2: But did you happen to hear Greg Morris, who is
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Speaker 2: a veteran defense attorney, as he so timidly put forth,
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Speaker 2: I've won a lot of cases, he says, did.
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Speaker 1: You hear him say?
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Speaker 2: How odd it is for elie law enforcement, an agent
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Speaker 2: a CI to be part of a sting. I mean,
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Speaker 2: who is this woman going to hire to kill her
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Speaker 2: ex ann? Will you priest a virgin? No, somebody that
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Speaker 2: acts like a hitman.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, we use them all the time. I mean informants.
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Speaker 9: And by the way, I love the entrapment argument because
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Speaker 9: that's the first thing defense counsel does, entrapment. But the
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Speaker 9: reality is, I can't tell you how many times people
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Speaker 9: actually came up to us, you know, in an undercover capacity,
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Speaker 9: and to hire a hit person. I mean, the only
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Speaker 9: difference between years ago today is that there's apps to
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Speaker 9: do it. Where you don't have to go to the
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Speaker 9: Yellow Pages. Is a little easier just to ask someone
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Speaker 9: to do something.
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Speaker 3: Jacqueline Diorio is a twenty six year old New Jersey
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Speaker 3: woman accused of attempting to murder her cop ex boyfriend
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Speaker 3: by hiring a hit man off Tinder.
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Speaker 1: We know these two love birds.
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Speaker 2: Met when the defendant, the suspect, the hairstylist, was actually
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Speaker 2: doing the victim's hair.
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Speaker 1: That's how they met. Let's see what more we know. Listen.
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Speaker 5: Jacqueline Diorio, twenty six, lives in run A Meede, New Jersey,
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Speaker 5: making her living as a barber. She hits it off
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Speaker 5: with one of her clients, a police officer twice her age.
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Speaker 5: They began dating. Their relationship lasts just over a year,
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Speaker 5: but not without problems. Problems so bad that Diorio asked
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Speaker 5: for and got a restraining order put in place. She
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Speaker 5: later dropped the complaint. After the breakup, Diorio started looking
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Speaker 5: at dating apps, specifically Tender. A match is made and
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Speaker 5: Diorio makes plans to meet her new friend for the
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Speaker 5: first time at a wall wall. They exchange numbers and
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Speaker 5: communicate through text messages and phone calls.
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Speaker 2: Okay to you John Pizzorro, former New Jersey State Police
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Speaker 2: twenty five years Wow, okay, Pisorro. I've heard of first dates,
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Speaker 2: and I always advise people when you meet online you
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Speaker 2: should meet somewhere public.
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Speaker 1: But wah waws. That should have been a tip off
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Speaker 1: right there.
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Speaker 2: My sister and Philly used to live in a building
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Speaker 2: on top at the bottom of the building.
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Speaker 1: It was in grad towers at the Wharton School. There
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Speaker 1: was a wah wah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not really a romantic setting for your
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Speaker 2: first date, is it?
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Speaker 1: Was that a tip off? I mean, wahwas Well, it.
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Speaker 9: Is Tinder, Nancy, so I mean, you know, and there
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Speaker 9: is a lot of wildwaws in New Jersey, so I
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Speaker 9: guess the old Starbucks is out these days, you know too.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Sherry Schwartz now joining us, and she's been chomping
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Speaker 2: at the bit hearing all of this. She's a forensic
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Speaker 2: psychologist and she specializes in capital mitigation and victim advocacy,
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Speaker 2: and you can find her at panthermitigation dot com. She's
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Speaker 2: the author of Criminal Behavior and the one I like
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Speaker 2: the best where law and psychology Intersecty Schwartz, I mean,
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Speaker 2: this could be a total case study for you, because,
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Speaker 2: for instance, what led up, what fueled the hatred and
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Speaker 2: this hairstylist heart that she wanted not only her boyfriend
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Speaker 2: for Pete's saint.
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Speaker 1: They're not even married.
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Speaker 2: They don't even have to divide property, they don't have
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Speaker 2: to fight over custody, they don't have to decide who
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Speaker 2: gets the pots and pans and who gets the crock pot,
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Speaker 2: none of that. But it's so contentious she wants him
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Speaker 2: dead and not just thinking, doctor Sherry, oh, I could
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Speaker 2: just kill him, not that actually going online in hiring
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Speaker 2: someone to commit double murder and un at teen girl,
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Speaker 2: a little girl, what is that, Doctor Sherry.
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Speaker 10: It's pure unadulterated hatred, fueled by the fact that it
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Speaker 10: seems like he broke up with her. The relationship was volatile,
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Speaker 10: he didn't want to have a relationship with her anymore,
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Speaker 10: and it sounds like she probably arrived at the conclusion
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Speaker 10: that if I can't.
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Speaker 7: Have you, nobody will.
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Speaker 10: I don't understand why his teenage daughter had to be
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Speaker 10: involved in that, unless she thought it was possible the
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Speaker 10: teenage daughter could later identify that she would be the
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Speaker 10: one trying to have him murdered. But this is somebody
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Speaker 10: who has no regard for human life.
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Speaker 1: Guys, what happens?
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Speaker 2: They start up a romantic relationship, it goes sour, they
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Speaker 2: break up, She files for Tiroro and then almost immediately
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Speaker 2: drops it. What was that about? Was that a way
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Speaker 2: to play the system? But it progresses.
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Speaker 5: Listen During the Oreo's text conversation with her tender date,
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Speaker 5: she reveals she's not really looking for love, but rather
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Speaker 5: a hitman and imp who was working.
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Speaker 11: With a longer and say they recently met a female
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Speaker 11: wanted beating at Tinder. The female and entered by herself
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Speaker 11: to the informants d well, which was later identified as
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Speaker 11: the defendants tender name. The defending the informant then met
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Speaker 11: at a lawa and running meat. Subsequently, defendant any informant
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Speaker 11: exchange the numbrous text messages and phone calls.
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Speaker 2: During these text.
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Speaker 11: Messages and phone call conversations, that's defendant and totally informant
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Speaker 11: that she wanted.
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Speaker 8: Her to ex boyfriend kill.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out when love turns into hate,
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Speaker 2: and when hate turns in to the desire for murder,
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Speaker 2: and when that desire leads you to commit and act.
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Speaker 2: Now to Greg Morris joining me, who has won a
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Speaker 2: lot of cases, is named partner at Morse Legal and
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Speaker 2: also current counsel to the CIA Greg and an attempt case,
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Speaker 2: an attempted murder or an attempted anything, there are very
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Speaker 2: often conspiracy charges.
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Speaker 1: A conspiracy cannot.
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Speaker 2: Be, as you and I have argued in court many times,
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Speaker 2: unless you have an overt act. I could sit around
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Speaker 2: all day and think, Oh, I want to kill Greg
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Speaker 2: Morris so bad.
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Speaker 1: How would I do it? What would I do?
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Speaker 2: That's just wishful thinking, that's daydreaming talking about it doesn't
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Speaker 2: rise to conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: But you must have.
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Speaker 2: An overt ov ert act in order to prove your case.
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Speaker 2: And here that overt act is going on tender, meeting
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Speaker 2: someone but still not enough, but then persuading him to
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Speaker 2: do a hit. There's your overt act right there. In
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Speaker 2: a conspiracy charge.
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Speaker 7: Well, there is an overt act there. However, again, those
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Speaker 7: first four days, when she's interacting with this guy on
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Speaker 7: tender and they're talking, that leaves a lot of room
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Speaker 7: for argument for the defense, just like they seem to
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Speaker 7: be indicating. It's not something that and you know this
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Speaker 7: God becomes a CI after the four days, not before,
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Speaker 7: and that creates opportunity. You also can argue the five
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Speaker 7: hundred dollars it's no word ask although paying for a
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Speaker 7: Hittman on layaway as odd, but that seems to be
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Speaker 7: what the prosecution is alleging here.
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Speaker 2: You know, Greg Morris, when you say that leaves a
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Speaker 2: lot of wiggle room.
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Speaker 1: Can we just get real about what you're arguing.
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Speaker 2: I believe trying to read the tea leaves of what
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Speaker 2: you just said that you're trying to argue that it
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Speaker 2: was the informant's idea that we can somehow claim entrapment.
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Speaker 2: In other words, she would never have come up with
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Speaker 2: a plot to murder her ex and his team daughter
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Speaker 2: but for the CI luring her into it. That's what
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Speaker 2: entrapment means. I would never have done this except the
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Speaker 2: cops planned it. They lured me in, and now they're
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Speaker 2: prosecuting me.
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Speaker 1: I would never have done this on my own. That
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Speaker 1: is what entrapment is.
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Speaker 2: Are you trying to blame the CI the confidential informant?
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Speaker 8: Well, the defense has to do something in this case,
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Speaker 8: and like it out there, there was a.
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Speaker 1: Little storing there. When you're trying to come up with the.
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Speaker 8: Argument, what listen, this is you have four days of
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Speaker 8: a civilian being on their own, and then they go
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Speaker 8: to the police and.
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Speaker 7: Say, hey, this lady wants to.
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Speaker 8: Kill her husband.
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Speaker 7: Who knows what that guy's trying to work off in
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Speaker 7: his past or why he presented himself to the police
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Speaker 7: to be used.
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Speaker 8: But as far as all accounts, Nancy, this guy was
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Speaker 8: a civilian like you and I for four dates.
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Speaker 7: He packaged this and then brought it over to the
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Speaker 7: law enforcement. So yeah, I would live and die in
21:34
Speaker 7: those four or eight days as a defense lawyer.
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Speaker 2: And you know, you got a little problem, Greg Morris,
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Speaker 2: you got a little tiny eight C and C fly
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Speaker 2: in the ointment. Here's the problem, Rodrigo Tetrahan. Isn't it
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Speaker 2: true that the defendant actually wrote texts to the CI
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Speaker 2: that prove what she wants. It's not just his word
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Speaker 2: against hers. She wrote texts.
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Speaker 1: They're clearly from her phone about the hit.
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Speaker 6: Yes, the prosecutors at the last hearing did read back
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Speaker 6: text messages between the CI and the Oreo where Diorio
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Speaker 6: allegedly goes over.
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Speaker 7: Proof.
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Speaker 6: She asked for proof because, in her own words, she
22:24
Speaker 6: said that she had been sent fake pictures before, which
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Speaker 6: alludes to prior attempts to carry out this hit.
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Speaker 2: She gives me, I just choked, just a tiny bit
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Speaker 2: white white. Hold on, Can I see Greg Morris right now?
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Speaker 2: As Rodrigo? Okay, could you repeat that, Rodrigo? What you
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Speaker 2: just said? She said what in her text to the
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Speaker 2: confidential informant.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Prosecutors read text between the CI and Diorio where she
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Speaker 6: mentions that she needs hard proof for this hit that
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Speaker 6: she wants carried out and alludes to having been sent
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Speaker 6: fake pictures in a prior attempt. This is, of course
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Speaker 6: through text messages that were read out in court at
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Speaker 6: the detention hearing two weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: Out that's got to hurt Morse, That really has to
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Speaker 2: hurt She's sending him text describe me how a previous
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Speaker 2: hit man failed her and burned her by sending her
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Speaker 2: fake photos.
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Speaker 1: Of the hit.
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Speaker 8: Well, people become defendants because they're not that bright. However,
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Speaker 8: people text a lot of things.
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Speaker 7: It doesn't mean they're going to act on it.
23:27
Speaker 8: In the news right now is NFL Hall of.
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Speaker 7: Famer Shannon Sharp.
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Speaker 8: He have some negative texts in the lawsuit against him,
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Speaker 8: and he wasn't going to he said, I wasn't going
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Speaker 8: to joke anybody. So people text a lot of things, you.
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Speaker 7: Know, so you have to look at that and try
23:42
Speaker 7: to turn that around as a bluster and just talking.
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Speaker 3: A woman from New Jersey attempted to hire a hitman
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Speaker 3: off Tinder to kill both her cop ex boyfriend and
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Speaker 3: his nineteen year old daughter. Were just twelve thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel.
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Speaker 2: We've been going back and forth with Greg Morse about
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Speaker 2: his theory that it's all the CI Confidential Informant's fault,
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Speaker 2: that this woman hair stylist, scorned lover really would never
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Speaker 2: have ordered a hit on her boyfriend if not for
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Speaker 2: the CI alluring her into it. But those text messages
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Speaker 2: that she sent the CI that she met at wahwaz
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Speaker 2: on a date. When he gets so, she goes, guess what,
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Speaker 2: I don't want a date. I want to hit man.
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Speaker 2: How about you? Those text messages are damning. And not
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Speaker 2: only are they damning, they make.
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Speaker 1: A great identification. Listen the debate.
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Speaker 11: Dentally informant that her ex boyfriend is a Philadelphia police officer.
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Speaker 6: And provided his need.
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Speaker 7: The defendon also provide.
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Speaker 11: The informant the telephone number of the police officer's teenage daughter,
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Speaker 11: the informant dead men with detected Durham, but the Candy
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Speaker 11: County Proster's Office Major Crimes Unit and the informant provided
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Speaker 11: Detective Durham with a sure of the defendant from her
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Speaker 11: tender profile. The informant also provided the Detective Durnam of
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Speaker 11: the defendants.
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Speaker 2: Teleorm Wow, Rodrigo terrejan joining us from Crime and Courts
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Speaker 2: reporting at the Philadelphia Inquirer. Rodrigo again, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. So she didn't even use a burner phone.
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Speaker 2: She used her own phone to text with who she
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Speaker 2: thought was a CI, therefore giving up her identity.
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Speaker 1: Unless she wants to try to claim.
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Speaker 2: Somebody else had her phone or somehow impersonating her, she
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Speaker 2: used her own phone, Rodrigo.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what it seems like. Prosecutors said that the
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Speaker 6: phone number and a photo of the Oreo were both
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Speaker 6: shown to the officer that she had allegedly tried to
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Speaker 6: have killed through this hitmap, and he confirmed both that
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Speaker 6: it was her in the photo and that that was
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Speaker 6: the number that they had used to communicate. So this,
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Speaker 6: according to what prosecutors have dug up, was her own
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Speaker 6: phone number.
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Speaker 1: Well, it gets worse for her.
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Speaker 11: Listen if it was interviewed and told the detective Deuram
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Speaker 11: that the defendant was adamant about killing the victim. Informant
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Speaker 11: stated they which they spoke about money, and that the
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Speaker 11: defender stated, you were willing to pay twelve.
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Speaker 7: Thousand dollars in cash.
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Speaker 11: During the conversations, defendant also told the informant that she
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Speaker 11: wanted the victim's teenage.
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Speaker 7: Daughter killed as well.
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Speaker 1: The defendant told.
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Speaker 11: The informant she could pay five hundred dollars a front
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Speaker 11: and the rest being the installments.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US forensic psychologist Doctor Sherry. The
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Speaker 2: defendant the hairstylist, the scorn hairstylist reiterated over and.
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Speaker 1: Over she was sure she wanted the hit to.
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Speaker 2: Go down, adamant, adamant, insistent that it happens, and again,
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Speaker 2: I must compare it to the Dahlia Dippolito, Okays, where
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Speaker 2: she says that I believe she's five thousand percent sure
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Speaker 2: she wants her husband dead, and it's all caught on tape.
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Speaker 1: Of course, listen now and one's done.
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Speaker 10: You know, not change your money.
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Speaker 12: But if you change your money, no, no, like like well,
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Speaker 12: five thousand to five thousand percent sure, that's for our
27:18
Speaker 12: friends at ABC twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean, Sherry Schwartz, I mean the CI
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Speaker 2: gives the defendant opportunity to turn back, opportunity to go.
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Speaker 1: You know what, this is crazy talk.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to do this, but instead they are adamant.
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Speaker 1: They are hell bent on murder.
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Speaker 10: That's that's exactly what it is. That she wanted the
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Speaker 10: job done. She was willing to pay for it. She did,
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Speaker 10: in fact, put a down payment on it. And that
27:50
Speaker 10: is an indication that you are serious and you want
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Speaker 10: this done. And like it was previously mentioned, this is
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Speaker 10: somebody who, by her own admission, made a prior attempt
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Speaker 10: and was duped according to her. So this is somebody
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Speaker 10: who's had some time to think about it and is
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Speaker 10: one that she wants this done.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is a survivor and that doesn't begin to
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Speaker 2: describe what he went through.
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Speaker 1: Baron Lee is with us. He was shot point.
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Speaker 2: Blank range, shot nine times by teens hired by his
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Speaker 2: wife to murder him. As I recall, you were going
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Speaker 2: to your car and they swarmed you. You were shot
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Speaker 2: nine times and lived all over money that was meant
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Speaker 2: that was earmarked to raise their disabled son, she wanted
28:45
Speaker 2: that money.
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Speaker 1: At any point when you.
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Speaker 2: Two were having a contentious split, did you ever get
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Speaker 2: the sense that she would want you dead?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I actually had gone through a couple incidents where
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Speaker 4: she tried to run me over with the vehicle, and
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Speaker 4: so when I was shot, I already knew it was
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Speaker 4: her who was behind it.
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Speaker 2: But when you say that you knew she was behind it,
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Speaker 2: let me refine my question. When did you get a
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Speaker 2: sense or an inkling.
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Speaker 1: That she wanted you dead? As you were lying there.
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Speaker 2: On the pavement bleeding out, you knew at that moment
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Speaker 2: that she was.
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Speaker 1: Behind the hit.
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Speaker 2: You weren't wronged, you weren't sex molested. You know, it
29:31
Speaker 2: wasn't a car jag, nothing like that. This was obviously
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Speaker 2: a hit on you specifically, and you knew then as
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Speaker 2: you were bleeding out who did it. But leading up
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Speaker 2: to that, was there a moment where you were actually
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Speaker 2: afraid or thought, you know, she wants me dead?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, like I said, we had a five
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Speaker 4: year you know, contention of custody with my son, and
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Speaker 4: during that time she had attempted to run me over
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Speaker 4: twice during child exchanges. So you know, for the first
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Speaker 4: time I you know, just chucked it off that first
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Speaker 4: a just being angry. When she tried to run me
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Speaker 4: over the second time, I realized that definitely she wanted
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Speaker 4: I guess this.
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Speaker 2: Case is bringing back a lot of bad memories because
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Speaker 2: according to reports, this is not Diorio's first attempt. We've
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Speaker 2: got the Molotov cocktail incident that many attribute to her
30:29
Speaker 2: that has not been proven in a court of law,
30:31
Speaker 2: and she's innocent until proven guilty. Then we have her
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Speaker 2: telling the CI don't burn me. I've been burned before
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Speaker 2: with fakes, with lies by hitman. In your case, there
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Speaker 2: were multiple attempts as well. Did you feel invincible? Did
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Speaker 2: you believe you would never be killed?
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Speaker 4: No, of course not. But you know, this woman sounds
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Speaker 4: just like my ex wife. Looks like she's not going
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Speaker 4: to stop until she can get the job done. Even
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Speaker 4: after my ex wife peg gott and she found out
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Speaker 4: that I survived, she was actually working with the teenagers
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Speaker 4: to have them come back for a second attempt. So
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Speaker 4: I'm sure this woman has the same kind of mindset
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Speaker 4: that you know. If left to her devices, she was
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Speaker 4: going to get this job done one way or another.
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Speaker 11: During the recording conversations, Wells previous conversation with the informative
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Speaker 11: defendant discusses her desire to have teenage daughter of her
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Speaker 11: ex boyfriend killed first.
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Speaker 7: While then followed by the victim of the boyfriend.
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Speaker 11: The reason that the defendant gave is the order of
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Speaker 11: killings was that she wanted to kill the victim's teenage
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Speaker 11: daughter because the killing the police officer would draw too
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Speaker 11: much screwtiny from law enforce and well not as much
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Speaker 11: lawmfors and resources would be dedicated to investigating the den
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Speaker 11: an officer's daughter.
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Speaker 1: What did I just hear that incorrectly?
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Speaker 2: To Rodrigo Tetrjane joining us from Philadelphia, Inquirer Rodrigo, that's
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Speaker 2: why she wanted the.
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Speaker 1: Teen daughter killed.
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Speaker 2: At first, when I started investigating the case, I thought
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Speaker 2: it was because she was jealous of attention or love
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Speaker 2: given to the teen daughter.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't that at Oh, this woman might as well
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Speaker 1: be a lizard. Her blood is cold. Explain why she
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Speaker 1: wanted the daughter killed first?
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Speaker 6: Sure so, according to what prosecutors said, and you heard
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Speaker 6: it right there, she was very methodical about the order
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Speaker 6: in which she wanted these two people killed. She knew,
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Speaker 6: according to prosecutors, that the assassination of a police officer
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Speaker 6: would bring unwanted attention, so she made it very clear,
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Speaker 6: according to prosecutors, that she wanted the daughter killed first,
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Speaker 6: the teen daughter killed first, and then the Philadelphia police
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Speaker 6: officer to mitigate the attention that would be focused in
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Speaker 6: on these hits.
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Speaker 2: Amazing the way she planned this out, Doctor Sherry Schwartz.
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Speaker 2: That is some cold blood, methodical planning right there. Reasoning
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Speaker 2: as to why she wanted the girl killed first.
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Speaker 1: That's what she says.
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Speaker 10: I actually think there's some a darker motive for why
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Speaker 10: she wanted the daughter killed first. I think that she
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Speaker 10: was looking to hurt her ex boyfriend and she wanted
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Speaker 10: him to suffer before she ultimately had him murdered.
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Speaker 2: Wow, to increase the suffering of the boyfriend. How is
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Speaker 2: it again, doctor Sherry. I can understand all the hatred
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Speaker 2: that must brew, must percolate and boil over and say
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Speaker 2: a long term marriage. But here there was no property division,
33:37
Speaker 2: There was no custody argument, no pots and pans, no
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Speaker 2: dog to argue, nothing. How could you develop such intense
33:45
Speaker 2: hatred and just a brief dating relationship.
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Speaker 10: I mean, this is somebody who maybe came to the
33:52
Speaker 10: relationship with that level of hatred, it's hard to say.
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Speaker 10: There isn't anything specific that I saw in researching the
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Speaker 10: case that cites a reason that he did something to
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Speaker 10: her that maybe would cause her to have such bitter
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Speaker 10: antipathy toward him. But sometimes people come as they are,
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Speaker 10: and that may be a reason that the relationship didn't
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Speaker 10: work out.
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Speaker 11: The most concerning aspect of the facts that this case,
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Speaker 11: involving the fact that he disappears not to be an
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Speaker 11: isolated attempt by the defendant.
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Speaker 7: To contract someone to kill the victim.
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Speaker 11: As evidence, an escort, which is a text message screenshot between.
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Speaker 7: The defendant and the informative.
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Speaker 11: Defend states as she had people.
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Speaker 7: Looking her in the eye and lie before, and how
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Speaker 7: is she going to get proved?
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Speaker 11: She also says that fake pictures could be said to her,
34:41
Speaker 11: and how is she going to believe the defendant that
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Speaker 11: the victim was in fact dead, and how she said
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Speaker 11: someone who previously said her fake pictures.
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Speaker 2: Before Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
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Speaker 5: Jennifer Emmy, a well known lawyer defending animal rights, now
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Speaker 5: has to defend herself against allegations she ordered to hit
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Speaker 5: on her ex husband's new girlfriend after the couple's nasty divorce.
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Speaker 5: A hand at Emmy's nonprofit ranch went to the police.
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Speaker 5: Well the recording of Emmy asking if he knew anyone
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Speaker 5: who could take care of her ex's much younger new girlfriend,
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Speaker 5: during which she said, no one will miss her. If
35:27
Speaker 5: someone could help me get rid of her.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me.
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Speaker 2: Amazing in the sense that when you go to the
35:33
Speaker 2: snakehouse at the zoo you look at the snakes through
35:37
Speaker 2: a thick glass wall, or looking at a tarantula in
35:41
Speaker 2: a box. Amazing in that sense that not only according
35:48
Speaker 2: to the state, of course, Dioryo.
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Speaker 1: Is innocent until proven guilty.
35:54
Speaker 2: According to the state, she wanted not only her boyfriend
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Speaker 2: ex boyfriend, but his teen daughter dead. Two In the
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Speaker 2: case of attorney Jennifer Emmy, she wanted the girlfriend of
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Speaker 2: her ex murdered. That's a whole different psychopathy. And in
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Speaker 2: this case, Greg Morris, you've got both, according to prosecution.
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Speaker 2: Now a great defense attorney like you may be able
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Speaker 2: to convince the jury.
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Speaker 1: Oh this was all just talk. She didn't mean it,
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Speaker 1: she didn't really want it to happen, But we do
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Speaker 1: have her.
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Speaker 2: According to the prosecutors, handing over a down payment of
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Speaker 2: five hundred.
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Speaker 1: Dollars at Dollar General. She picks the places.
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Speaker 2: Right where you know there's going to be surveillance video
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Speaker 2: the handover is it Dollar General? And wawas they're like
36:52
Speaker 2: Vegas for Pete's say they're covered and oh my goodness,
36:57
Speaker 2: yeah they're over in security video. I guess you didn't
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Speaker 2: think that part through. But they desire to have not
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Speaker 2: only your object of hatred murdered, but then an innocent
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Speaker 2: person who's getting dragged into it.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you could probably argue to a jury's all
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Speaker 1: just talk. She didn't really want it to happen.
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Speaker 2: She didn't know what she was saying. Don't prosecute her,
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Speaker 2: don't send her to jail. I can hear it right now.
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Speaker 2: But that's a whole another layer of evil. You don't
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Speaker 2: just want your hate object. Did you want people around them?
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Speaker 6: Did?
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Speaker 13: Well?
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Speaker 7: I think you're right, and what we've said before, it
37:37
Speaker 7: was probably to harm the ex boy friend to see
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Speaker 7: his daughter killed first, and then you know he has
37:44
Speaker 7: to suffer that.
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Speaker 13: But you also, you know you have a situation here
37:51
Speaker 13: where folks what they think in their head, it's going
37:54
Speaker 13: to be like when they pull a trigger or in
37:57
Speaker 13: this case, try to hire someone to kill someone.
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Speaker 7: The reality though of that and how that plays out
38:03
Speaker 7: is totally different, as we see in all these cases,
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Speaker 7: whether it's dip Alito, whether it's the.
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Speaker 8: Oreo, They're on surveillance cameras, they have phones registered in
38:13
Speaker 8: their name.
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Speaker 7: These are folks that aren't making the smartest choices, right, So,
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Speaker 7: but I also think that.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make the victim any less dead.
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Speaker 7: Morse, Well, there's nobody dead here, and maybe it was
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Speaker 7: because she was only was it allows of PAM that
38:32
Speaker 7: was found in her car. She's charged with that also
38:36
Speaker 7: drug count so and she also offered five hundred.
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Speaker 1: Dollars please put him hit. Actually trying to argue at
38:45
Speaker 1: all that they reason.
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Speaker 2: The illegal use of drugs is somehow a defense as
38:50
Speaker 2: opposed to an additional felony charge. We all know all
38:56
Speaker 2: the legal that voluntary use of drugs are alcoholism ever
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Speaker 2: a defense?
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Speaker 7: No, no, no, But it doesn't mean it can't lead
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Speaker 7: to some break with reality or there's some impact on her.
39:07
Speaker 7: She was acting weird. Anyone that's had a loved one
39:10
Speaker 7: who's been under a lot of anesthesia knows when you
39:12
Speaker 7: come out of it sometimes you're going to have some
39:15
Speaker 7: mental issues. You're going to see the world differently, You're
39:17
Speaker 7: going to see the world wrong. Maybe she had an
39:20
Speaker 7: impact on that because.
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Speaker 2: Somehow comparing this and when I videoed the twins after
39:25
Speaker 2: they had the Wistar teeth cut out.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean it never ends with you. You're actually
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Speaker 1: giving me a headache right now. Well, medic medication, okay, medication,
39:35
Speaker 1: Medication's mind that Rodrigo Tetahan joining us from Philadelphia. Inquirer.
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Speaker 1: Where does the case stand now? What's happening?
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Speaker 6: Sure, so there is a next hearing schedule for middle
39:48
Speaker 6: of June. Right now, do Rio is in custody without bails,
39:53
Speaker 6: so she's basically in jail until her next court hearing.
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Speaker 6: I've attempted to reach the officer that is allegedly the
40:03
Speaker 6: target of this hit attempt have been unable to reach
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Speaker 6: him or his family. And that's really where it stands.
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Speaker 11: You know.
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Speaker 6: The detention hearing was basically to figure out if she
40:12
Speaker 6: would be released because she has no prior criminal record.
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Speaker 6: Of course, the judge sided with the prosecutor's office and
40:19
Speaker 6: said we're going to go give no bail and she's
40:22
Speaker 6: going to be in custody until her next year.
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Speaker 2: If you know, or think you know anything about the
40:29
Speaker 2: alleged attempt on the officer's life or he has daughter's life.
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Speaker 2: The case is still being built by the state eight
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Speaker 2: five six two two five five one two seven repeat
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Speaker 2: eight five six two two, five five to one to seven.
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Speaker 2: Now we remember an American hero police officer, Christopher Kilcullen EGENPD, Oregon,
40:54
Speaker 2: shot and killed in a line of duty twelve years
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Speaker 2: with law enforcement, leaving me hein widow Christie, daughters Sydney
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Speaker 2: and Katie Anne. American hero officer Jay Christopher kill Cohen
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,