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Military kills DEI, women most affected? | HBR Talk 352 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: We are live and we are through the opening scene here.
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  Speaker 1: So we had the sound issues all straightened out, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to technical difficulties with the Badgers again. HBr Talk
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  Speaker 1: three p. Fifty two Military kills DEI Women Most Affected.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks,
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  Speaker 1: any personification of persuptivity, Mike Stevenson, and tonight, if our
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  Speaker 1: sound devices allow us, we're returning to our slog through
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  Speaker 1: feminist federal funding with a visit to the Department of
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  Speaker 1: Defense for some information about sexual assault in the military.
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  Speaker 1: And now, this is an interesting issue because fifteen percent
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  Speaker 1: or less of the military is women, right the remaining
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  Speaker 1: eighty five percent or more is men. And when you
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  Speaker 1: break it down by who does what, and you get
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  Speaker 1: into the discussion of combat, the statistics are even more stark.
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  Speaker 1: Very few women become combat personnel, and very few women
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  Speaker 1: get into any of the fighting end of the military.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of them are doing things at the computer end,
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  Speaker 1: where they're telling the fighters where to go and who
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  Speaker 1: is going to be there, and how they can sneak
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  Speaker 1: up on them or at least avoid getting shot by them,
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  Speaker 1: and all the things that they can do now that
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  Speaker 1: they couldn't do during, say the Vietnam era and before.
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  Speaker 1: Or they're working in military hospitals, or they're working in
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  Speaker 1: other capacities basically pushers and things like that, and so
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  Speaker 1: there's not quite a bit of interaction among say, combat
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  Speaker 1: troops and these other troops. And yet even though women
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  Speaker 1: are such a small percentage of military personnel, they are
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  Speaker 1: far more likely to report DEI issues, including the one
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about tonight. So the reason
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  Speaker 1: that we are going to talk about sexual assault in
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  Speaker 1: the military is because this is an issue that feminists
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  Speaker 1: really pushed because of women in the military, and feminists
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  Speaker 1: really pushed it. They used an incident years ago that
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  Speaker 1: was referred to as a tailhook incident in which there
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  Speaker 1: was quite a bit of misconduct that took place and
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  Speaker 1: alcohol was involved, and they use that basically to push
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  Speaker 1: through the same kind of initiatives that they've put through
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  Speaker 1: at universities, and they pushed through at secondary education institutions
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  Speaker 1: high schools now, where feminist run training has to be
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  Speaker 1: implemented in order to prevent sexual misconduct. And what ends
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  Speaker 1: up happening then is you get funding of feminist organizations
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  Speaker 1: and feminist production like companies materials production companies to facilitate
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  Speaker 1: this training. Even if the organizations themselves that are not
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  Speaker 1: that are doing the training are not necessarily connected to
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  Speaker 1: feminists or not necessarily run by feminists, they'll still get
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  Speaker 1: their materials from feminist sources and feminist organizations. So this
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  Speaker 1: is a major cash cow for feminist organizations that if
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  Speaker 1: it gets taken away like this is what we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: here is basically the battle between the doge in the
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  Speaker 1: feminist cash cow and a lot of different areas. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought we really needed to bring this up.
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  Speaker 3: For anyone who's wondering. No, we probably not will get
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  Speaker 3: into Pete have accesss apology to the unvaccinated soldiers who
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  Speaker 3: he has recently decided to re invite back into the military.
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  Speaker 3: That's a whole different thing that's totally not connected to
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  Speaker 3: the guards to take over of the West. But you
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  Speaker 3: don't get to join the army unless unless you comply
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  Speaker 3: with the various elements of fair poem that totally have
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with feminism.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we may actually do a whole show on that
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  Speaker 1: because the military do it tonight. The military has a
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  Speaker 1: whole history of experimenting on soldiers and there have been
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  Speaker 1: several instances that we can show you, although I don't
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  Speaker 1: have those prepared for tonight. What I have prepared for
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  Speaker 1: tonight is a set of articles on the whole sexual
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  Speaker 1: assault thing. And the reason that I have that is
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  Speaker 1: because as soon as Trump made an executive order to
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  Speaker 1: eliminate DEI from the military, the feminist wailing and gnashing
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  Speaker 1: of teeth began, and so I kind of want to
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  Speaker 1: confront some of that. But we will ultimately get into
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  Speaker 1: the heg Seth story. We may not cover it this week,
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  Speaker 1: we may cover it next week. There's quite a bit
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  Speaker 1: and there's probably going to be a bit more time
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to be discussing issues of funding in
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  Speaker 1: the military and feminist invasion and feminist the feminist cash cow,
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  Speaker 1: the military teat of the feminist cash cow, I guess
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  Speaker 1: would be the best way to put it, because these
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  Speaker 1: are things that are being taken away from feminists right now,
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  Speaker 1: and they are whining about it, and there will be
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  Speaker 1: more weeping of weeping and gnashing of teeth among feminists.
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  Speaker 1: But you're right, it is definitely a femininity issue with
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  Speaker 1: regard to the whole vaccination thing, because it was women
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  Speaker 1: on both sides of that argument, honestly, that pushed the
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  Speaker 1: issue publicly. For the most part, men just did what
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  Speaker 1: men were going to do, what they thought was right,
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  Speaker 1: and did not didn't care about it, whereas women were
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  Speaker 1: the ones that really facilitated both the panic and the authoritarian.
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  Speaker 3: I really hope we don't have any important hot wars
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  Speaker 3: over the next fifty years or however loy it takes
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  Speaker 3: of these spy proteins are lipid. None abouticles to fuck
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  Speaker 3: up and inside generation out here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually investigation into how to eliminate that from
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  Speaker 1: your system, everything that the shot did. So hopefully there
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  Speaker 1: will be ways to fix what it messed up. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see what happens. It's modern medicine can do a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things. And then again, it may end up be
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  Speaker 1: being like one of those situations. Yeah, but it may
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  Speaker 1: be maybe ending up being the medical version of mister Bean,
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  Speaker 1: to try to fix it it just makes the situation,
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  Speaker 1: makes it worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I identify heavily with
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  Speaker 1: mister Bean. By the way, that is the story of
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  Speaker 1: my life. I make a mistake and everything I tried
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  Speaker 1: to do to.
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  Speaker 2: Fix it make it worse.
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  Speaker 3: I have looked like him since I was a child.
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  Speaker 3: It's starting to me from my entire life. There you go,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, here going. It looks like blackout of too.
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  Speaker 3: Can a nigga get a blackout?
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  Speaker 1: long ago, somebody used the term faggot and then I
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  Speaker 1: I think there are still some people in Ex's I
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  Speaker 2: They're faggots.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But in all honesty, that term. Nobody really uses
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  Speaker 1: that as a derogatory term for gay people anymore, except
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  Speaker 1: maybe if you're ninety years old, you're still doing that.
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  Speaker 1: If you're the same age as people who think IP
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  Speaker 1: think calling someone a fag is referring to homosexuality in
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  Speaker 1: a derogatory sense. But yeah, it was that bag, right.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the people who I follow, who whose
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  Speaker 1: posts I absolutely love, keeps getting flagged as a spammer,
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  Speaker 1: and so his stuff keeps getting hidden, and he posts
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  Speaker 1: a lot of solid research type information where it's facts.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just logic in facts, it's undeniable facts that
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  Speaker 1: completely contradict things that the feministies arguing with have said.
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  Speaker 1: And so if you're on X, give an account at
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  Speaker 1: MSS three ROSA R O s A F E R
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  Speaker 1: R e U M. Give that guy a follow because
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  Speaker 1: he's really getting hit. He's getting hit harder than I am.
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  Speaker 1: And his name is Michael Stretton and he definitely does
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit of damage to feminist narratives with his posts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's why he keeps getting flagged, because
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  Speaker 1: it's of course it's insane. And so, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: give that guy a follow. Maybe I should put his
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  Speaker 1: info in our low bar. I'm just tired of seeing
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  Speaker 1: him get in shadow band because that's bullshit. And again,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm pretty sure that there are still
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  Speaker 1: some feminist pockets hiding in X's support their trust and
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  Speaker 1: safety or whatever you call it, because there is no
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  Speaker 1: other reason that they would flag him like that. He's
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  Speaker 1: not spamming, he's answering statements that other people have made.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. But getting into what we were
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  Speaker 1: going to get into today, up, I have different windows
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  Speaker 1: open here, so I'm looking at different things getting into
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  Speaker 1: what we've been getting into today. There we go and
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  Speaker 1: of course it hides. So what you're looking at on
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  Speaker 1: my screen here is the USA Spending website. It's been
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  Speaker 1: updated recently. It's a little harder to get it to
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  Speaker 1: take the types of searches that I want to do
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  Speaker 1: because I use more than one criteria for my search
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  Speaker 1: at a time. But this is searching specifically within the
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  Speaker 1: Department of Defense with the keyword or key phrase sexual assault.
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  Speaker 1: And as you can see, all of these various things
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  Speaker 1: that came up are about sexual assault services, support and
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  Speaker 1: training and so on. And I'm not gonna do like
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  Speaker 1: we usually do where I open each one and start
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  Speaker 1: going through what it is. It has this award description
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  Speaker 1: on the edge here, and I can show you there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different organizations involved with a variety of
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  Speaker 1: different names. One of these are feminist names, but they
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  Speaker 1: are using feminist materials for what they're doing. And we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing awards ranging from twenty eight million for professional services
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  Speaker 1: support on down. And as we get to this is
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  Speaker 1: a long list. By the way, we raised this a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. You can see seven hundred and thirty five
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  Speaker 1: contracts there, and as we go down through we're still
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  Speaker 1: in hundreds of thousands. Here's a sexual assault Training video
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  Speaker 1: four hundred thousand, two hundred ninety eight, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: more sexual assault prevention training two hundred ninety thousand, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four. As we go down here, alternate
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault response cord Like that sounds interesting, I wonder
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  Speaker 1: what that is. And it keeps going and going, and
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  Speaker 1: so hundreds of thousands of dollars and then tens of
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  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars as we get close to closer to
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  Speaker 1: the bottom, and you're still seeing sexual assault prevention training,
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  Speaker 1: sexual Assault Response coordinator. So that's probably somebody's annual salary
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  Speaker 1: right there, ninety five thousand to do that. There's another
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  Speaker 1: one alternate sexual assault Coordinator one hundred and one thousand.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a very lucrative set of programs here. And
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  Speaker 1: that's just the contracts for performing specific tasks. As we
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  Speaker 1: go to I'm going to go to the next This
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  Speaker 1: is the same search, but I open up the grants tab.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I have it open ahead of time
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  Speaker 1: is because it takes forever to load. Even though here
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  Speaker 1: there's only thirteen grants, and we're still looking at there's
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  Speaker 1: a three million, there's a million, there's a million, and
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  Speaker 1: there's hundreds of thousands here and in tens of thousands,
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  Speaker 1: and it's research on sexual assault prevention, their sexual assault
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  Speaker 1: prevention program effectiveness, research on reporting, military disclosure, informal disclosure.
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  Speaker 1: So the difference between informal disclosure and formal disclosure might
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  Speaker 1: be you go in and file a report as a
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  Speaker 1: form of formal disclosure, or informal disclosure. You might tell
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  Speaker 1: your superior officer, but you haven't filed any paperwork.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, these people think that just showing up is their
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  Speaker 4: form of effectiveness.
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  Speaker 5: I was here, I deserved and a lot of these
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  Speaker 5: people sit on boards where they just show up once
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  Speaker 5: or twice every quarterly or maybe every month, doubt every month.
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  Speaker 2: But they do the bare minimum and.
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  Speaker 1: Collect a paycheck just to sit on somebody's board.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just ridiculous this effectiveness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And the question becomes what happens when if
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  Speaker 1: you're somebody's manager, because a superior officer is basically management,
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  Speaker 1: somebody comes to you and says, this happened to me,
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  Speaker 1: What do you do next? So there is there's some
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  Speaker 1: need for training in that that, but you don't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: need any feminist assistance in that. You don't need feminism
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  Speaker 1: to know that if somebody reports misconduct to a to
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  Speaker 1: a supervisor, that supervisor should then take next steps to
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  Speaker 1: address the misconduct and reform the behavior of the parties
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  Speaker 1: involved and prevent any future misconduct, and provide whatever remedies
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  Speaker 1: the company, which happens to be the military in this case,
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  Speaker 1: offers for individuals who have been victims of that type
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  Speaker 1: of misconduct. And it's the way regardless of whether it's
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  Speaker 1: sexual or not.
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  Speaker 3: Two of the biggest lies in the angle slanguage. Two
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  Speaker 3: of the biggest lives connected to acronyms, or at least initialisms,
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  Speaker 3: are NGO and nonprofit organization, which I guess isn't an initialism.
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  Speaker 3: No one's thought of rendering nonprofit organization as npo.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they do do.
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  Speaker 3: They're just quite fine with calling it a nonprofit organization despite.
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  Speaker 1: All the profits yeah that.
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  Speaker 3: There board members are able to to benefit from. An
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  Speaker 3: NGO is nevertheless rendered as an initialism.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a profit.
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  Speaker 4: If you determine yourself, if you describe yourself as a
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  Speaker 4: nonprofit organization's profit, it's it's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a non government organization as long as the
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  Speaker 3: government is paying you to exist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a good example there. We go back
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  Speaker 1: to this tab and let's scroll back this way. So
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  Speaker 1: Booz Allen Hamilton Incorporated. That is an organization that shows
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  Speaker 1: up when you search military spending. You will find that
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  Speaker 1: organization over and over again. I'm pretty sure all they
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  Speaker 1: do is service the military in various ways. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that they have any other I may be wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but they certainly make enough money from the military to
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  Speaker 1: not need any other avenues of profit. It's all. It's
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  Speaker 1: all military, and I know I've seen them over and
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  Speaker 1: over again with regard to military spending in previous shows
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  Speaker 1: because I think we talked about this, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: their name is Booz and it makes you think of
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  Speaker 1: Booze with an E at the end, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have anything. So these last name I believe like three
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  Speaker 1: last names there, and there's a few other ones like
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  Speaker 1: United Solutions and Services and now National Opinion Research Center
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  Speaker 1: is a different story. I believe that is more of
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  Speaker 1: a They get money from a bunch of different sources,
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  Speaker 1: and that one's Sexual Assault Prevention Response Program for ASA
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  Speaker 1: and RA. So they're supposed to be doing research their
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  Speaker 1: research organization, but they are providing this programming. And what
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  Speaker 1: I assessed when I looked at that is basically, this
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  Speaker 1: is an organization that has access to the types of
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  Speaker 1: feminist materials that are used to create these types of programs,
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  Speaker 1: and so they got paid to put one together or
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  Speaker 1: to provide one that had already been put together by feminists.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of these organizations that are involved,
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  Speaker 1: all of their money or most of their money does
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  Speaker 1: come from the US government, and in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: cases it's just one department or branch or an agency
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  Speaker 1: now here as you go through the research the grant moneies.
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  Speaker 1: These are all universities in hospitals, and so that's different
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  Speaker 1: in it they're not getting the bulk of their money
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  Speaker 1: necessarily from the military. But I'll bet if you went
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  Speaker 1: through the majority of these universities and hospitals funding, you
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  Speaker 1: would probably find that most of it does come from
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  Speaker 1: the federal government in one way or another. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of this is these are different types of research,
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  Speaker 1: different titles for research papers and so on that these
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  Speaker 1: organizations have done at the behest of the military. And
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  Speaker 1: going through like the Department of Defense has its own page.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this smaller and see if it is
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  Speaker 1: if it presents better here. Wow, that's bad. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: adjust size wise very well. But this is a United
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  Speaker 1: States Department of Defense Sexual Assault Prevention I believe. Let
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  Speaker 1: me make this smaller again, see if it yeah and response.
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  Speaker 6: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's s a pro sexual Assault Prevention and Response
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  Speaker 1: organization if I remember right. But sa PR is, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there we go. It has to be that small to
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  Speaker 1: show all at texts. That's pretty sad. So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: make this big again because I can't read that, but
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  Speaker 1: it go. It has This is just the research agenda,
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  Speaker 1: if I understand right, for this year, and this is
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  Speaker 1: research that's being funded, and it's got several Nope, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just this year. Twenty twenty two, Service Academy Gender
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  Speaker 1: Relations Survey, Workplace and Gender Relations Survey of Military Members,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one Quick Compass of Sexual Assault Response Personnel,
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  Speaker 1: and then Service Academy Gender Relations Focus Groups Overview Report.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And it's not just it's not all the research that
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: they're funding, but those are some specific things that they
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: spent money on and took time with. And when they
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: talk about gender relations here, they're talking about obviously whether
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: or not men and women are able to get along
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  Speaker 1: with each other in the military. And what's interesting about
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: this is when you get into actual sexual assault reports
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: in the military. So this is an old article if
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I remember, right in twenty fourteen, So this has been
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  Speaker 1: a known issue for quite a while. Right, Only one
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: percent of male military victims report sexual assault. And as
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  Speaker 1: you I don't want that as you go through this article,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: which we're not going to read the entire thing, there's
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  Speaker 1: one paragraph here that's relevant to what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. According to an anonymous survey released last week
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and this again from twenty fourteen. So released in twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen by the Pentagon, nearly one percent of males in
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the US military said they experienced unwanted sexual contract contact,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: compared to four point three percent of women. That equates
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to about ten thy five hundred men and eight thy
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: five hundred women. Yet only fourteen percent of assaults reported
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: last year involved male victims, So you have two sources
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  Speaker 1: for this information. The informal survey was similar to the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: NISVS where they asked them, has X ever happened to you?
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  Speaker 1: Anybody grabbed your butt without permission? That kind of thing,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Whereas the fourteen percent of assaults reported came from that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: those official reports filling out paperwork, and what that indicates is,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: like they said, only about one percent of men are
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: reporting that they've been assaulted after they've been assaulted. One
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of the things that I don't think this article highlighted it,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: but other things that I have read highlighted it.
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  Speaker 4: It's a little bit disturbing to me that our checks
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: notes military defense agencies yeah, aren't even able to detect
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: and much less notarize when things like sexual assault is
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: happening within our own right, But we then send them
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  Speaker 4: out and send money abroad to other countries because we
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: want to protect other people.
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  Speaker 2: How the fuck is that supposed to work?
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  Speaker 4: We can't even do it in our within our own military. Yeah,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: And now I understand that there there is there's a
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: human element.
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  Speaker 2: To it, right.
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  Speaker 4: Some people just don't want to acknowledge that they've been
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: harassed or abused or touched in some way that they
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: didn't like, Like they just wanted to go away. They
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: just want to be done with the military in and
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: of itself. And so I understand that that's a thing
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that happens.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also other like a large, large part of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: male on male sexual assault within the military is related
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to hazing. For instance, do you remember this is not military,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: but do you remember the scene from Shit? I can't
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: think of if this is like a standard gen X
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: movie too, where they all have detention summer school or
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: not summer school but to Saturday school and.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Breakfast club.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, where the wrestler basically points out that he got
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: his detention for taping another guy's butt cheeks together. Duck
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Taping another guys like that would be considered a sexual assault,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and obviously, once he realized how bad it was for
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the other guy, he felt bad about it and everything
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and was haunted by the scream. So a lot of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: times when guys have a conflict and they fight with
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: each other about something like this incident that it's described
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: on this page is something that happened while a couple
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of guys are drunk. It says one army commander recalled
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: an incident in which one of his soldiers was drunk
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and woke up to find he was being sexually accosted
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: by another drunken soldier. The two men ended up fighting.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: It took more for army investigators to sort out the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: situation that could be anything from actual sexual activity to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: something that the other guy thought when he was too
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: drunk to make intelligent decisions, would be a funny prank
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that everybody would think was funny later on, like pulling
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: somebody's pants down and posing them in a funny position,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: or back in the day, people used to think it
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: was funny to get somebody into a compromising position and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: take a picture, which I don't think. I don't think
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I ever thought that was funny, because it's those are
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: permanent pictures don't go away unless you get completely get
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: rid of the materials, and as the digital age donned,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that kind of became more and more difficult. Now it's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: impossible to be sure that you've done that, So it
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: can be anything from somebody actually engaging in sexual contact
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: for the purpose of sexual stimulation, all the way down
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to I made it look like this guy was giving
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: me a blowjob or something along those lines, and any
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of it is still inappropriate, and it's all still something
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that the individual the victim is going to be upset about.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But when it's at the prank end of it, men
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: are more likely than women to consider it to be
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: water under the bridge, especially if the perpetrator was also drunk.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Men are less likely to report something like that they figure,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: especially like if they get into a fistfight over it
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and the victim kicks the perpetrator's ass. Frequently, guys will
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: consider the matter settled. I kicked his ass. It's done
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and over with. Okay, we don't have to do anything
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: else about this, whereas women want revenge and they want
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the perpetrator to be humiliated, and they won't differentiate between
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a stupid prank that somebody he should have known better
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and wasn't as funny as that person thought it was,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: versus an intent to take predatory sexual advantage of somebody
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: for pleasure. So yeah, a different situation.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: When a woman gets her butt slapped by a man,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: if that man is her partner, she'll find it quite erotic.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: She might even demand it. From certain situations, Women quite
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: like having the butt slapped by a man whom she
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: happens to be in love with, but if it's if
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: it happens in a sort of hazing ritual, she'll go,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I was raped. Whereas if a man
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: wakes up at the witching hour with with his dick
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: wrapped around a female rapist. He'll go, oh shit, I
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: appear to be being raped, but he won't report it
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: as a rape. He'll be like, oh shit, accidentally having
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: sex with someone? Oh dear, what the fuck do I do?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I guess I report it as a rape. But they
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: won't do that because that means trying to report having
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: been raped by a woman, and that's very difficult for
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: any man, never mind a soldier, because how could they
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: possibly admit to having been raped by a woman. But
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: it's that easy, gentlemen. There is such a thing as
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: a nervous erection, and it quite often happens in your sleep.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: In fact, it's quite likely to happen in your sleep,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: likely to have a wet dream that coincides with a
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: nervous erection. But because we've been taught for our whole
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: lives that you can't possibly be raped as long as
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: it's hard, it doesn't count as rape. Right the middle
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: of there, you'll never report it as a rape, especially
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: if you happen to live in a country where such
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: events cannot be reported as rape, because there's no such thing,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: legally speaking, as a woman raping a man, but a
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: man slapping a woman on the ass can be reported
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: as a sexual assault or an essay. I don't know
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: what I'm supposed to say. I've said rape so many times.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I don't like censorship at all. I don't want to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: not talk about these things. And it's one of these.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: One of the issues that makes it harder for men
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to report is the fact that we can't use the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: terminology for what's being done. And I personally would prefer
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: we just use the word rape to describe rape, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the word sexual assault to describe other forms of sexual
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: assault that are not considered rape, like groping and stuff
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: like that. We can talk about all of that stuff,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and I prefer to just address it as what it
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is rather than tiptoe beat around the bush and crap
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like that, because yeah, it's ugly and embarrassing and people
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: don't like to hear about it. But that's every bit
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the reason why they should have to, all right, People
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: forced to confront this because confessing different that that myth
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is allowed to persist because we don't.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: It's different, but in other ways it's not.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about it this way, all right. One
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: of the one of the myths that gets used to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: dismiss male victims of various types of veneminent assault. Is
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that outright rape where it's specifically coitus and not oral sex,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: because that's now it's all clouded now that oral sex
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: is considered rape as well if it's done against the
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: will of victim, but coitus against the will of the victim.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Feminists differentiate on the basis of pregnancy. Women can get
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: pregnant and men can't.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But if that's the.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Case, does that mean that it's not rape to force
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: coitus on a postman apousal woman or a child who
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: isn't fertile yet, because I would think it would still
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: be rape. And if it's still rape under those circumstances,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: or when it's done to a woman who never developed fertility,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: because that does happen. Some women cannot ever have children.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And if it's not defined as not rape when it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: happens to them because they can't get pregnant, then then
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't be defined as not rape when it happens
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to a man can be made a father against as will.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Both sexes get sexually transmitted diseases right sexually transmitted infections.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Both sexes can be injured during this type of an assault.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Both sexes are traumatized by this type of an assault.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: They communicate it in different ways, but both sexes get
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: traumatized by this type of an assault. So it is
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: again bullshit to turn around and say it's not that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: big of a deal when it happens to a man
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: versus when it happens to a woman. But we hear
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: it all the time from feminists, and Mike was saying,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that's the narrative that gets pushed, and it's different. It's different.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And the part of the reason that persists is because
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: when we talk about this subject, and it particularly when
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: we talk about male victims and we use the correct
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: terminology for the details of the subject instead of considering
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: male victims and what they experience and what they need
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: in terms of recovery and recourse against their perpetrator and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: so on, we get you can't use those words. We're
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: going to deflect to the language that you're using instead
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of considering the concepts that you're discussing, because we don't
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: want to confront the issue that men might be vulnerable
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: too and women might be capable of harmful malice. Two
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that's very difficult for people to confront. And the more
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I get told not to talk about this shit. The
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: more adamant I am about wanting to talk about this shit.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: It's not because I like the subject, trust me, I don't.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But until we get to a point where we recognize
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that the same damage is done, maybe in different ways,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: but the same damage is done when the victim is
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: male versus female, and when the perpetrator is female versus male,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And we work just as hard to prevent victimization of
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: men and to prevent female perpetration, and to reform female
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: perpetrators and help male victims recover as we do the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: sex reverse. We still have to talk about this. The
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: bottom line, you're gonna have it in your face until
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: we do something about it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: And on the one hand, we have to explain that
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: we don't live in the Stone Age anymore, or in
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the Paleolithic era, where a man really could impregnate a
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: woman and then disappear into the wilderness. That's not quite
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: the case. You couldn't quite disappearance of the wilderness. Like
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: it was just as difficult in the Stone Age for
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: a man to disappear into the wilderness and not have
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: to face the consequences of his tribe.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: At the same time, women also understood the fact that
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: they could get pregnant and have a child and the
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: father of that child may not come back from the hunt.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So actually, in the Paleolithic a that was much
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: more likely to be the reason the father didn't come
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: back then, Yeah, that he didn't want to.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: And on top of them of that, we have to
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: admit that we don't live in the Stone Age anymore.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: We have a fucking or William government that will track
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: down any man who can be a genetically determined to
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: have father this child, and then he has to he
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: has to give all he can towards that child, whether
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: or not he consented to its conception in the first place.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: So many of these feminists are actually like, we still
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: live in the Paleolithic era, but we don't. We live
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: in or Wells nightmare.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: In fact, you don't even have to be proved to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: be the father. You just have to fail to prove
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that you're not the father. And in some instances like
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: California does this, I think Ohio does this too. If
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you don't get your proof in fast enough after the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: baby's born and it's determined by the state that you
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: owe child support, then you are on the hook. Regardless
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of whether you're actually the father or not. There have
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: been cases in California specifically where and Michigan too, actually
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: where men have been named the father by the woman,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: their name has been put on the birth certificate by
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the woman, and then years later they find out that
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: they are they have this back oed child support, this
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: obligation that was imposed on them that they were never
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: informed of because the information was sent to a wrong
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: address or some other way redirected away from them and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: they did not ever receive it. And they don't have
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to prove or they the state doesn't have to prove
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that you receive that information. The state only has to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: prove that they attempted to notify you with the way
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: whatever best information they have. So if they think that
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: lived on one twenty three Man Street and they send
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the information to one twenty three Man Street and you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: never lived there, or I lived yeah, you lived on
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Leave Me Alone Street and never got that information, that's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: your fault. It's your fault for not living where the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: state thought you lived. And sorry dude, but now the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: statute of limitations has passed and it is too late
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: for you to get your DNA tests and prove that
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you're not the father, and the DNA test that you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: got that proved that you're not the father, that's inadmissible,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and we're still going to make you pay child support.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And that's happened to many California men. There was a
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: case in Michigan where a judge finally exempted a man
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: who had been paying child support for years because of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a situation like that where they he was in jail
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: at the time that the notification was sent, and instead
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of sending it to him in jail, they sent it
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to the address he lived at, the apartment he lived
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: at before he went to jail, So of course he
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: never got that information and he never actually was notified,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: so he was never genuinely given the opportunity to contest paternity.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: And it's like the only reel, yeah, And the only
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: real solution to that would be a nationwide mandate that
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: says you cannot put a man's name on a birth
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: certificate without his consent without a DNA test proving that
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: he actually is the father. The tough thing about that
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: is just in the last month, I've seen two instances
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: where one of one was a woman faking a DNA
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: test and the other one was a lab screw up
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: with a DNA test, and both of them caused situations
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: where a man was named as the father of a
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: child by a DNA test when he actually was not
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the father.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, see now, and in those instances, like I can
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: accept that the state owes some liability, right however, I
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: am and again I say this as a person who
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: is never going to have kids, but I fully believe
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: that there should be live DNA testing at every live birth,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: right like that, Then there it takes all of this
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: shit off of the table. Right The mother knows obviously,
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: the mother knows that. Yeah, but the father also gets
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: the benefit of knowing at that point that either this
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: is or is not his child, and then has the decision.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: He has the ability to make the decision whether or
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: not he wants to be in this child's life and
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: represent a father even if he is not biologically the father.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: And the difficult thing with if we relate this to
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the military, there's a whole area of military law around
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: this that is different even from civilian law, and men
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: in the military get treated much more harshly. You can
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: actually it can affect your discharge, whether your discharge is
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: honorable or not. If you have this type of relations
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and you end up being questioned as the father of
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a child. And if you're married and some other woman
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: names you as the father of her child, there's a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: whole big to do that happens there as well. A
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: man can actually really be fucked over by that. So
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a situation. And again women don't face
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: this because you're the mother of your child and you
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: can hide who the father is if you don't tell
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the truth, and there's no DNA has so the mother
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: can get away with stuff like that. But a man
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: can be named as the father of somebody else's child
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and have to prove that he's not. And if he
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: is a soldier, that can fuck up his whole career,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: especially if he's married. If he's married and somebody else
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: says he's the father of my child, then he is
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: guilty of adultery, which is illegal for soldiers if they
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: have a whole different outlook on that. And so you
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: really can be fucked over by somebody falsely naming you
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: as the parent of their child. But and then this similarly,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you have this situation of what happens if a man
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: in the military, is sexually assaulted and he's too embarrassed
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to report it, and then the woman names him as
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the father. Does he get taken seriously when he says, okay,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't consent to the sex that caused that. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: was not even conscious if he was drunk, passed out
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: from it and sexually assaulted, and then she comes along
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and says, oh, by the way, he's the father of
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: my child. Is he taken seriously when he says, I
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: didn't even know that she had sex with me. I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: was not conscious. I didn't choose this.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe he wants to then have participation in
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: that child's life, right, even if he's a ripe victim.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Right, But what happens to him legally? Does he get
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: taken seriously? Do they know accept that okay? Or do
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they say you only reported it after you got in trouble.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: There's a lot in the military that makes it difficult.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: There's a lot in civilian life that makes it difficult
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: for men to report. So it's not surprising that only
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: one percent makes it too official reporting. And they cite
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in this article Jim Hopper, who is a Harvard professor
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: who's an expert on this subject of male victims of
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: sexual assault. He's also his database of information on victims
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: of sexual assault is where I downloaded the report on
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: sexually abused boys that remember I've said in other episodes,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: boys who have been sexually abused while they were underage
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: are like fourteen times more likely to commit suicide, up
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: to forty four times more likely to engage in substance abuse,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and so on like. Those statistics come from a study
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: that Hopper recommended. So that's who this is. But he
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: pointed out, and other experts have also pointed out, sexual
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: assault is more about they say, more about power and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: controlled and sex and has little to do with homosexual behavior.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Aggressors almost always identify themselves as heterosexual, and that sort
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of goes along with the fact that quite a bit
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: of sexual assault against male victims in the military has
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to do with hazing more than the sexual assailant seeking
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: sexual pleasure from the assault. And this is similar to
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: male on male sexual assault in university because, especially in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: fraternity houses, there used to be quite a bit of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the hazing process that was intended as a humiliation ritual,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and hazing in the military has some of that history
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: as well. And this is this is all stuff that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: if you know anybody that's been through that went through
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: basic training back in the eighties or the nineties, anytime
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: before that, you probably heard about this stuff if they
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: were willing to talk about it. But so that gives
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: you an idea of like, the actual dynamics of this
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: problem is that it affects men more frequently than it
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: affects women. The number of men that it affects is
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: higher than the number of women that it affects. Women
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: higher percentage of women will report it. So you hear
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: stats all the time. They won't tell you the raw numbers,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: what percentage of actual sexual assaults taking place in the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: military are done to male victims versus female victims. They
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: won't talk about that. They'll say this percent of women
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: reports being sexually assaulted versus that percent of men, because
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: it makes it look like it's very rare among men,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: when in fact, the number of victims male victims is
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: much higher than the number of female victims. So as
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: we get into this, when we looked at that, now
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: we're going to look at there we go. I don't
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: want to pay for this, so if I have to,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I will use archives this is a military reporting site.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: How much of this actually, how much of this training
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: was affected by this DEI mandate. We're gonna end DEI
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: in the military. And of course we're not going to
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: read the whole article again, but do you okay when
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump PEND is directive to President Donald Trump,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: PEND is directive to scrub diversity programming from military campuses.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: It says here only a handful of courses have been
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: eliminated so far. Two classes were cut at the Military Academy,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: two were canceled at the Naval Academy, and the Air
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Force Academy has marked three for potential suspension under the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: guidelines issued. And this is in January, prohibition of all
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: instruction on DEI, gender ideology and critical race theory. So
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: we're looking at this hue and cry over the elimination
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: of programs. Nope, just two classes at the Military Academy,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: two at the Naval Academy, and three for potential suspension
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: at the Air Force Academy. And it goes on to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: say what they were a history course called Race, Ethnicity
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: and Nation, an English course titled Power and Difference at
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the Military Academy at West Point. However, it gets a
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: little more in depth here right. A review of the
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Academy's curriculum is still ongoing, he said, but only two
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: classes in a review of more than six hundred courses
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: were deemed out of compliance. They were electives with fairly
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: small enrollment. Nobody wanted to take these classes. Twenty five
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: enrolled in the history class and a dozen enrolled in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the English course. Then at the Naval Academy, the two
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: courses related to gender were eliminated. One was a Gender
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Matters Leadership course and the other was an English course
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: gender sexuality studies. Notice they're shoving this stuff into things
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: that it has nothing to do with, right, Gender sexuality
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: studies as a language course indicates that the course was
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: about shit like pronouns. But then we get into the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Academy also found eighteen other classes that will need to
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: be slightly modified to comply with executive orders.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: She said.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Total of eight hundred and seventy courses were reviewed. So
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: they're not just eliminating courses, they're having to go through
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: and modify things that are in other courses. And again,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the Air Force Academy said fifty five courses need further analysis.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Estimates forty percent of them will require no change. So
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: out of the fifty five courses, fifty three percent will
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: require changes and three could be suspended. So it's a
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: little bit more than just a couple of classes here
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: and a couple of classes there. There's actually quite a bit.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And you remember how we talked previously about feminists and
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: politically correct individuals, woke ideologues. Oh, there's no DEI in
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: school curriculum. There's no dei. It doesn't say DEI anywhere
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: that blah blah blah. It's not there, right, But when
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: you start getting into the description of what dei is,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: what gender ideology is, what woke ideology is, and you
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: start looking through the school curriculum, you find that the
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: coursework has quite a bit that has been tainted with it,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and if you're trying to get it out, you do
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: have to make a significant amount of changes. It's done
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: in space ways, for instance, in elementary school math, instead
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: of they may not say that they're involving DEI in
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: the coursework, but where you might have a story problem
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties that just is
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: about this train is coming from this city at this speed,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and that train is coming from that city at that speed,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and you're supposed to calculate when they will pass each
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: other on the track, how many miles they will travel
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: each train will travel before they pass each other on
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the track, and at what point in between the two
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: cities they'll meet. But under a Dei curriculum, your math
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: might be your story problem might be something to do
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: with somebody's gender ideology or somebody's gender identity, and this
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: many people of this gender ie identity have done this thing,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: and that many people of that identity have opposed it,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and how many votes will it take to override the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: bad guys who are of the normal gender identity, And
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: so you get a totally different perspective there. It's no
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: longer calculating just calculating numbers. You just got told who
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the good guys and the bad guys were in a
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: math problem. So there's a little sneaky things like that.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: So there we have fifty will require minor changes, and
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: it may be stuff like that where they have to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: take a paragraph out of a book that they've been using,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: or they have to change the way that they do
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: a particular group project where they take the gender ideology
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: out of the details of the project, and it just
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: goes back to this is your leadership project, or this
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: is your trust project or whatever. So that's where let's see.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: This comes in military freezes sexual assault prevention training after
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Trump executive order on DEI, and this one will read
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, how do you prevent something like that? How
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: do you prevent someone who is.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Just deprived enough mentally to actually want to do that
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: to another person?
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: How do you stop that from happening.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I've got thoughts on the matter, but they're not politically correct. Yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: No, it delves into things that are maybe not necessarily legal.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've prevented an assault on my person before. I've
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: also not I've failed to prevent assaults on my person.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: It's six to one a half dozen to the other.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: There are things that you have to deal with regardless,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Like the one time that I got confronted by a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: whole group of girls because of the boys I was
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: hanging out with at the time when I was seventeen,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: and I thought they were going to kill me because
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: there there were a bunch of them and there was
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: just one of me, and I broke one other girl's nose.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I pulled the jewelry out of one girl's face, and
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I broke the other girl's nose nice and I did
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: it really fast. It was I was terrified, and that's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I don't get violent when I'm angry. I don't get
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I'll yell at people or say mean things that I
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: regret later on. But violence for me is a fear response,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and it's one that I've mostly learned to control. But
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: in that circumstance, I didn't have a whole lot of control,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: and I just reached out with both hands and brought
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: one knee up. And I will never forget the sound
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: of that girl's nose breaking. It will never go out
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: of my head. Every so often, I'll dream about that
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: fight and I just wake up feeling like the worst person.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I don't know how to
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: explain this. I know that they would have probably beaten
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: me to death. I hadn't done that, But both of
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: those girls cried because the level of pain I inflicted
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: was so bad. And it doesn't matter what they were
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: gonna do. It does, it does, but it doesn't affect
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the level of guilt I experience. It doesn't. I don't
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: have that mechanism to shut that guilt off by blaming somebody.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I still feel I'm always gonna feel bad about that.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: So there's never anything good about that situation, oh.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Way, and nor should it.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: But you were in a position where you were surrounded
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: by people who meant to do you harm or questionably,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: and I defended you, and you defended yourself the best
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: way you knew how.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And nobody would ever suggest that me. Are you saying
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I had a right to do that would be victim blaming.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Nobody would say, oh my god, how dare you suggest
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that you were in control of their behavior? How dare
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you suggest that you have a right to defend yourself
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: from those girls, because they would have hurt you if
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you hadn't defended yourself.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: But if they were boys and they were gonna rape me,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: and I did the same thing and they and had
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the same result, then feminists would verbally beat me down
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: for suggesting that was effective.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's just really it boggles.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: My mind that somehow, in the inverse.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Situation, when there's a boy who is in a situation
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: who is vulnerable and then strikes out in defense of himself,
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden that self defense is no longer
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: it's off the.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Tape, that it's hitting a girl. If i'd have been
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: a dude and that was a bunch of girls that
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: were going to rape me right and I had broken
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: one of their noses and ripped all the jewelry out
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: of another one's face, that would have resulted in me
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: being accused of beating women. Even if I could prove
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt what their intentions were. They did
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: tell me what they were gonna do. It was not
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: it was not a good situation. I really shouldn't have
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: been there in the first place. There was not obviously
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: a good group of people to be hanging out with that.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: They behaved that way, and that was pretty standard for them.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: So it's not like I would I made bad choices
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: and I've put myself in a bad situation and I
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: suffered the consequences that could have had worse consequences. But
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: as a consequence of that, I have a lifetime of
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: guilt for breaking somebody's nose and making somebody bleed. And yeah,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that's minor compared to what some guys in those situations
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: go through. The been guys that have killed under circumstances
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: like that and had to deal with jail sentences.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: And there is a case very recently that comes to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: mind that people seem to just be so willing to
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: forget that this is also a case of self defense,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: and self defense just isn't even on the table for
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: this young man, because it's not that he was defending
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: himself against a group of young women, but he was
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: defending himself against a group of young men.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I having watched that case, I'm not gonna agree with
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: you on that. This situation is pretty simple there where
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I had that situation and where I was, those girls
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: didn't give me the opportunity to leave. If they had
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: given me the opportunity to leave, and I had insisted
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: on staying and attacked them, that would not be self defense.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: And that's what happened. That's what all of the witnesses
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: they're saying. Nobody's contesting. That's what happened in that story.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: And so that changes it for me. It's not self
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: defense to insist on staying someplace where you're not wanted
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and then stab somebody for trying to make you leave.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: See now, what I will say is under that circumstance
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: where you've got somebody behaving aggressively toward you, you shouldn't
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: take the risk of trying to make them leave. When
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: you're in a place like in a track meet, there
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: are authorities there, there are school officials, your coach is there,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: they're security, and so the tragedy could have been avoided.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that the boy who stabbed the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: other boy was not wrong. And he's probably going to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: go to jail, he's probably his whole life is probably ruined.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: And the other boy's dead.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Of course now and under, And I agree with what
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: you're saying. However, instead of that young man putting his
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: hands on another person, maybe he should have gone and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: gotten one of those other adults.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Right, he would still be alive. But no, what he
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: did was put his hands on someone else.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you the fuck now, if someone puts
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: their fucking hands on me, it's the game's over. Game
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: is fucking over. You're gonna fucking find out. Don't put
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: your hands on me right now. He was in a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: position where okay, he was okay, he wasn't supposed to
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: be there. He was in a position where there were
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: people around him who were not let's for argument's sake,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: say on his side. And so one of them steps
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: up to him and says, you need to get out
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: of here. And we don't know, we don't know the words.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: I'd drop the N word here or there, We don't know.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: This person was at least six inches and one hundred
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: pounds heavier.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Than that young man.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: So to say that there was no self defense, I'm sorry,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: that's a.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Good reason for him to leave. That's a good reason
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: for him to leave right there. Absolutely, absolutely, listen, there's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: no stand your ground in a public place.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: There were bad decisions made on both step and that's
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: all the fuck that I'm gonna say. But I'm telling
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: you right now, I don't care what words come out
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: of my mouth the moment that you put hands on me,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: I have a right to defend myself and I don't
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: care if that means I go into my bag and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: pull out packwash whatever the fuck it is right, because
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: we already know that if.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: You put someone you can kill another person. That person
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: can fall over, hit his head whatever.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Even if that punch itself is not a fatal punch,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: that person can fall hit his head.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Just all of that is fair. But There are certain
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: points about this that override everything. The first is, nobody's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: life was threatened until that boy pulled a knife out
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: of his bag. Right, nobody's life was threatened in that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: situation until that boy pulled a knife out of his bag.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: The knife shouldn't have been there. Even when I was
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: on a track team in school, we knew you don't
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: bring a weapon to school. You don't bring a weapon
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: to to attract meat, and attract meat is considered a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: school activity. You don't you behave the same at attract
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: meat that you even if it's not on school property.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: When I was in cross country, for instance, we used
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: to run at public parks, and we were told both
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season and before each event,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you are in school, you are to behave the same
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you are under your school conduct code. You were to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: behave the same as you would in school in the classroom,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: in hallways, on school property. You are considered to be
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: under the custody of the school officials, and you will
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: behave as a representative of your school. So none of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: us would have taken a knife or a gun or
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: any other kind of weapon to attract meat or a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: cross country meet or basketball game or football game, none
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: of that because it was not permitted and we knew it.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: So where we talk, we're talking back and forth about
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: what the kids did in the situation. With this, the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: boy who brought the knife and perpetrated the stabbing, there
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: was at least one adult, at least one probably more
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: in his life that has failed him at some point
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: in time for him to arrive at a track meet
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: with a weapon in his bag, and to invade another
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: team's space and refuse to leave, and to get aggressive
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: when confronted instead of just walking away. For all of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: that to happen, there are adults that did not teach
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: him sportsmanship. They didn't teach him proper behavior on school property.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: They didn't teach him how to behave in a situation
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: where he's feeling threatened. They didn't teach him how to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: behave in a situation where he's being confronted. And similarly,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the boy who got stabbed, there's at least one adult
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: in his life who failed to teach him how to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: handle a situation like that as well, where he should
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: have known without having to have somebody tell him. He
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: should have known that if there was something objectionable going
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: on under that tent unless the boy under the tent
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: had already pulled out a knife and was waving it
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: at people, which it doesn't sound like happened. He was
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: just sitting there, then his response, if he objected, should
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: have been to go to his coach and speak to
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: his coach about it and let the coach handle a situation.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And none of that went down. And the way that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I look at this is if somebody in my neighborhood
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: had been on one side or the other of that situation,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: somebody I grew up with the boy the first time
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: that the boy came over and said, leave this area.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: You don't belong here. You belong in under your team's tent,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: not our team's tent. If the kid that had the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: knife had been from my neighborhood, he probably would have said, fine,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: fuck you very much and walked away, because he would
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: have been through enough fights growing up to know that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: it's not worth it to fight back over something like
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: that to defend his idea of a right to be
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: under these other people's tent, even if he wasn't wrong
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: for sitting there. And similarly, if the boy who objected
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: to him, being there had been from my neighborhood, he
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have worried about it unless that kid was doing
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: something to other people, and he would have left him alone.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't even have bothered the coach about it, and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: eventually the kid would have gotten up and left unless
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: there was some sort of other behavior going on that
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: needed confrontation, at which point he would have probably to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: the coach he'd get an adult, because again, it's not
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: worth it. You just don't want to deal with the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: fallout from that. But the reason that the kids from
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: my neighborhood would have behaved in that mature manner is
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: because we were allowed to kick the hell out of
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: each other's asses. When we were five, we were allowed
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: to beat each other into the ground. When we were
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: six and seven, we were allowed to play sandlot tackle football,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: and that included the girls. We were allowed to play
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: a game that we actually called smear the queer. So
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: when we were kids, and nobody stopped us from beating
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: the hell out of each other. And we now to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: differentiate between when it's worth it and when it's not
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: worth it.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: And when it's not. No, I completely agree with you.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: So now let's take the knife out of the situation
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: and they just went toe to toe with the size difference.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: In my mind, obviously he would have got pounded into
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: the fucking sand.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe and depends on how good the.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: And maybe he would have been the dead kid. And
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: then where would we be? Then where would be we be?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: We would still have a dead kid, We would still
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: have a confrontation that never needed to fucking happen.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would be.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: But would we be labeling.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: This one child as a fucking murderer and a and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: a just ah, he's just an ape.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: No, we would I would still be getting racialized though
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: attacked him because he was black.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: It would be, and it would.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Be It would absolutely be getting racialized on the other
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: side of the fence, which is this is all wrong.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: This is why I'm trying to speak to this situation
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: without the race, because this was not a racial thing.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: But like the Stu Peters and that all these people
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: in line.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: They're trying to make this into a race thing. And
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: this is what I was so angry about the first
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: time that I told you about this story.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: These adults are trying.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: To make this foolish, childish, fucking just nonsensical confrontation into
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: a race thing. Meanwhile, we are completely overlooking the fact
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: that there are two young boys, one whose life is
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: never gonna come back, the other one whose life is
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: always going to be is permanently changed forever forever because
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: of the decisions that were made. Now, should they have
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: made better decisions? Absolu fuolutely absolutely. But you are never
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: ever going to push me off the side of number
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: one due process because he deserves that. And I don't
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: know how we've forgotten that, like we it's just everybody.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Think we've forgotten that. I think we're going based on
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the available information right.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Exactly that, But that is an antithetical to due process.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Right, it's.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Due processes going on the evidence, but not.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: Just we are talking about the evidence that's available, not
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: all of the evidence. We're not the prosecutors or the
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: defense team. We do not have exculpatory evidence. There are
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: there's there. You cannot tell me that there's not video
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: of what happened.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure video or who you can contradicted the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: narrative it would be coming out.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: Well, But they can't do that because there is a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: case that has.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: To be built.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: They can't just release all of the evidence into the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: public right so that everyone knows. And because then it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: becomes a court of public opinion, we have to have
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: a trial.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: There has to be a dentury hearing.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: And there's another consideration with regard to a trial.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: All anyone can do right now is speculate about speculating.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: That's it, and that's the only place that I'm coming from.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't change the fact that I'm coming from.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: It doesn't change the fact that you can when you speculate,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: you can speculate based on if the available evidence is true,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: then the conclusion would be this. And for instance, if
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the available information is true, then under the circumstance described,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I can tell you what people from my neighborhood would
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: have done, and I can tell you what would have
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: been the smart choice for each side to make based
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: on the available information. Now, if new information comes out,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: that changes the situation, and then there are new things
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: to discuss, but we can still What's really important in
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: terms of how we discuss a situation like this is
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: in understanding how people react to circumstances like that and
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: how children learned to react to circumstances like that. Because
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't this boy's underage eighty seventeen years old.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both seventy old, but they were.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Both seventeen years old. Okay, So by the time kids
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: in my neighborhood were seventeen years old, they had learned
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: better ways of handling the circumstances that were described in
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: this situation, better ways of handling both sides. Now, there
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: were kids that hadn't learned that, but most of them
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: weren't the kids that were going to be on the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: track team. They were the kids that were going to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: be in detention every Saturday. So you had you still
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: had some kids that just never figured that shit out.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: But in any case, it's not wrong to talk about
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: the situation in those terms. What's wrong to talk about
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: the situation in terms of is the idea that people's
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: behaviors guided by their skin color is and can be
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: generalized to everybody with their skin color, or it's guided
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: by their gender and can be generalized to everybody of
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: their gender. That's boys like, there is a thing about
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: age here, though, there is a very important thing about
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: age here. This boy should be tried as a minor
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: because of and the way that they shaved was immature
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: enough That is.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Not what I'm trying to point out.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: What I'm trying to point out here is when you
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: were speaking, you're talking about the kids that you knew
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: when you were that young.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Those kids are.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: Completely they are completely different fucking animals now.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I know they are because their parents don't people that stuff.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: They don't learn that.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: Same exactly exactly, and that's why that's that is one
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: of the other things that I brought up, Like when
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: I first talked to you about this, they are now
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: blaming the parents. And I'm not saying that the parents
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: don't have blame, However, I'm fully recognizing that.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: It is these two young people.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: Who made the decisions that they made, the fatal decisions
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: that they made, and both sides so we can't divert
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: from that.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: There is very very very solid reasoning for talking about
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: the parents and talking about the culture. And remember when
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: we talked about this, I brought up the zero tolerance
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: aspect in schools and so on, and how that's affected.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: There are lessons that you learn from adverse experiences growing
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: up that teach you how to handle confrontation and the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: hallmarks of an impending adverse experience. Yes, and if you
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: don't go through those experiences. But the adults in your
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: life also don't give you the instruction that you need
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to replace the lessons that you would take from those
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: adverse experiences. Then you have nothing. You have no basis
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: for making a decision, nothing on which to base your
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: decision making process. You're lost. It's similar to I work
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: with a lot of zoomers that don't know how to cook,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: and you can't. Just cooking isn't something you can just
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: toss somebody into and say just learn it, because it
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: is actually complex. So is handling social confrontation. And it's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: one of those areas of human behavior that if you
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: take away every aspect of training that a person has
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: in that area of human behavior growing up, you create
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: almost like a many sociopathy or many psychopathy within the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: individual with respect to that area of socialization, just like
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: you create if you don't teach your kids how to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: cook and clean their own home when they're growing up,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: you create a mini handicap. Even if the person isn't
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: intellectually disabled in any way, they are profoundly intellectually disabled
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: with regards to those things. And so when I say
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: he needs to be tried as a minor. There's going
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: to be people who are going to say, because of
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: the seriousness of the crime, he should be tried as
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: an adult. But I think behavior indicates more about somebody's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: maturity than the seriousness of what they did. And in fact,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: an immature person is much more likely to engage in
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: serious behavior with serious consequences without considering those consequences ahead
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: of time than a mature person is. And so it is,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: in my opinion at least, it's counterintuitive to say the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: seriousness of the crime indicates that he should be tried
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: as an adult. Obviously, from what we have available, the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: information that we have available, this boy, there's nothing adult
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: about him, right. He's both of these boys behaved very
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: immaturely in the situation, and both of them, one boy
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: lost his life and the other boy lost his opportunities
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. Probably because he's going
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: to be remembered for this. It's made the news, it's
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: been public, and in terms of the decisions that he
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: made in that moment, those decisions should be judged on
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: the basis of him being an actual miner and being
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: an actual seventeen year old, not an adult with the
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: mentality that is probably even younger than seventeen, and so
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: he should be tried as a minor and penalized as
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: a minor. And however the court handles offenses of this
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: serious seriousness with miners, there should be whatever therapy if
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: he's convicted, whatever changed is need to take place in
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: him in order to not make this kind of mistake again,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: and whatever penalty that they apply to a minor, not
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: the penalties that are applied to somebody who say, did
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: something like this at thirty years old instead of seventeen.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't declare this individual innocent by reason of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: self defense, because that's a very narrow defense like I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: would and I wouldn't even say that could be considered
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: the case after the fight started, but because he had
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to leave before the fight started, I would
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: not get my hopes up that any court is going
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: to say unless there's some evidence that comes out that
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: he was surrounded and couldn't leave, which that changes everything.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Unless that comes out, I wouldn't expect a single court
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: to give him that kavea No, of course.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: And again that but that is where I was going
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: in the beginning of this, right that that kind of
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: feels like how this whole thing played out. Now, I
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: wasn't there, None of us were there, so we're all
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: just speculating. But I can because I've been in that
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: situation where I've been surrounded by people who were just
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: completely against me. I've been sexually assaulted in that situation.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: So if I had a fucking knife, you, God damn,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: I would have fucking stabbed this shit out of that
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: bitch that touched me. Oh yeah, if she had fucking died,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: then she fucking died.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: You don't put your hands on people.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I don't care what the hell he said
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 6: I don't care what he had.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Words are fucking words. You can take words back, you
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: can ignore them. You don't put your fucking hands on people.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: Because you know, no how crazy the other person is,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: I will match your fucking crazy. You put your fucking
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: hands on me, I will end your fucking life.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Let that fucking be known. Okay. And so I'm sorry.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: I know that there are people who are crying real
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: tears because a white guy got killed, you know what
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: And again, just the fucking race thing. Just shut up about.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: The race thing has nothing to fucking do with race.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: This is not some black old, he's just black old.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: He's just he's one of those thirteen fifty people are
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: getting off on this.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: What is the thirteen fifty thing? I don't know that one.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: Because black people are thirteen percent of this population. Oh,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: statistically they commit fifty percent of the whatever. I don't care.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: There's even gonna touch that. Fucking yeah, there's a.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Reason for that. But it's not genetics, and it's no,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: it's not skin. It's actually a bunch of things that
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: have happened during the last century with regard to federal funding.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Exactly and reporting.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: But you will and you will never hear people even
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: try to delve into that, and King, yeah, no, but
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: that's it.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: That's all they hear. It's just statistics.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: You can make statistics say whatever the fuck you want
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: them to.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm well, just like it's like what we were
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier, where feminists will ignore the fact that
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: the largest number raw number of victims of sexual violence
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: in the military are men are male, and they'll talk
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: about the percentage of female soldiers that report versus the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: percentage of male soldiers that report, knowing that only one
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: percent of male soldiers who are victimized report and so
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you end up with the impression that it's there's rampant
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: sexual violence against female military personnel but almost none against
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: male military personnel, when in fact, male victims outnumber female victims.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: And obviously the fact that women are only fifteen percent
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: of the military has an impact on that as well.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: But with regard to all of these situations, like we
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: talk about the track situation, the hazing in the military,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: that doesn't get differentiated between from a sexual assault that
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: takes place because the sexual assailant is a pleasure seeking
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: sociopath with issues, and there been there's been research in
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the military on that as well. There are two studies
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: done on perpetration of sexual assault that showed that the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of sexual assault the pleasure seeking sexual assault.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: It's not hazing, but is actually intended to operate as
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: a means of pleasuring the sexual assailant. Like that that
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: is mostly perpetrated by a very small percent of individuals
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: who are generally overall criminally violent, and those individuals are
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: mostly serial perpetrators. And the one study that was not military,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: that study was wrongly reported to prove that there was
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: an epidemic of serial perpetration on university campuses. But when
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you actually look at the study and evaluate it, what
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: you find is that those those men that were surveyed
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: were not students on university campuses. But they did demonstrate
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: that about six percent of the population perpetrates like something
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: like ninety five percent are ninety six percent of sexual violence,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: and that percentage is also perpetrating muggings and burglary and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: bar fights and anything else that they can get into.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: And then there's a smaller percentage of one time perpetrators
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: that do things they wouldn't do sober when they're drunk
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: or otherwise engage in forcible perpetration when they're like in
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: a mental state that they're not in control of their
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: decision making processes, or their decision making processes are compromised,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: they're high, they're drunk, they're stoned, whatever. And then there
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: are just flat out sociopaths or psychopaths that engage in
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: flat out attacks on other people because they want to.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: And the military study was done by the Navy. Their
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: number was higher, they had about thirteen percent rather than
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: six percent, but that had a similar outcome where the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of perpetration was done by a very small
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: percentage of the population. And again it was people who
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: perpetrated over and over again. And so a great deal
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: of sexual violence perpetration, both in and out of the military,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: can be attributed to a very small percentage of actual personnel,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: but feminists like to generalize it to the greater population.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: So when they say that women in the military report
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: more frequently and they more frequently report or male perpetrators
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: than female, and male personnel also more frequently report male
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: perpetrators because they're including hazing any equation, they'll generalize that
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: to all male personnel, when in fact, a very small
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: percentage are engaging in perpetration. So we go back to
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: this the article that we're going to read here, and
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: then we'll start this and we probably won't get all
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: the way through it, but we'll continue this discussion next week.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, some military branches of pause sexual assault prevention
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: trainings after President Donald Trump signed an Executive Order on Diversity,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Equity and Inclusion as they review how it applies to
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: their policies. And this is the interesting thing about this
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: is they didn't determine that specifically that sexual assault prevention
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: training itself was in violation. It was how they were
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: doing the training that applied. Newsweek has reached out to
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: the Department of Defense for comment and confirmation via email.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: On Saturday, Coastcuard veteran KA Denise Rucker Krepp, who advocates
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: for sexual assault awareness in the armed forces, has called
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: the moved troubling in a phone interview with Newsweek Saturday morning,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: warning it could create fear around reporting sexual crimes. Oh,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: we got super chows and superchats too, I'll go over
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: those shortly here. Shortly before taking office, Trump signed an
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: executive order titled Ending Racial and Waste, Radical and Wasteful
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Government DEI Programs, preferencing, effectively dismantling federal DEI program Since then,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: agencies and departments have been working to interpret the order
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: and implement implementation of specific terminology, with some military branches
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: pausing sexual assault prevention trainings over the matter. Earlier this week,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: a directive issued by the Marine Corps obtained by the
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Times said the fleet to pause on all
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: sexual assault prevention and reporting training due to recent changes
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: within the White House to remove diversity equity inclusion from
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: all federal policies, it is unclear what changes the DEI
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: order requires in the training. So here's where we're going
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: to stop for a moment. Sexual assault itself, obviously isn't
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: a DEI issue. Anybody can be sexually assaulted. Anybody can
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: be a perpetrator. It's the behavior that constitutes the crime.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Making sexual contact with an individual against their will, forcing,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: forcing unwanted contact for sexual purposes, touching somebody's sexual parts,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: there any intimate interaction against against the will of the individual,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: that all would constitute sexual assault. Regardless of whether the
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: perpetrator or or victim was male or female, it doesn't matter, right,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: So none of that's DEI. So when it says it
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: is unclear what changes the DEI order requires in the training,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: it's because they're looking at did they insert statements about race,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Did they insert statements about nationality? Did they insert statements
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: about alphabet soup activism into this DEI training or into
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: this sexual assault prevention and reporting training. Did they insert
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: trans ideology? What about the stipulation that we keep hearing
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: on social media that you're transphobic if you're not attracted
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: to somebody because they are not their biological sex doesn't
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: match their gender identity, for instance, Or did they have
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: to remove statements about whether or not it's racist to
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: be not attracted to somebody because they're not the same
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: race as you, anything like that. So what changes would
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: need to be made under DEI orders like this? They
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: would have to take out probably any gender identity related statements.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whether the people involved or the same
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: sex or the opposite sex. It doesn't matter what their
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: gender identity is. If somebody violates your boundaries against your will,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: the underlying thing is that they boundary have violated your
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: boundaries against your will. Not this person is black or white,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: this person is trans, this person is gay, this person
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: is straight, doesn't matter. Your boundaries are still your boundaries.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: You still have a right to know.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Just Leaaren was talking about you don't put hands on people.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: This is about putting hands on people. So this is
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: what they're whining about. They're whining about not being able
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: to make stipulations that certain groups can put their hands
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: on people. That's my guess, so Marine Corps spokesperson told
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Newsweek Wednesday. From February four to seven, the United States
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Marine Corps temporarily paused it's sexual assault Prevention and Response
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: training to conduct a comprehensive review of training comprehensive review
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: of training materials. This review ensured alignment with the latest
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: executive orders and directives. Importantly, SAPR coordinators and victim advocacy
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: services remained fully operational and uninterrupted throughout the process. So
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: this attention grabbing headline military halt sexual assault prevention trading
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: post Trump DEI order and the massive breakdown of Oh
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: my gosh, sexual assault the military is going to go
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: rampant now because they've done this bullshit. They didn't stop
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: the ability to report, They didn't stop the processes that
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: are put into motion after reporting takes place. They didn't
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: stop any counseling, they didn't stop any anything but the training,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: and the training just had to be reevaluated. So then
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: they go on why it matters, sexual assault and harassment
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: in the military are significant concerns with thousands of service
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: members affected annually. Now, remember the numbers that we just
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: looked at, So it says the DoD reported in twenty
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: twenty three that nearly twenty five percent of active duty
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: women and almost six percent of men experienced sexual harassment.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Now what did we say earlier? About one percent of
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: men are reporting, nearly twenty five percent of active duty
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: women and almost six percent of men. So if only
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: one in one hundred victims in the military male victims
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: in the military are reporting, what does that six percent become?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: What the heck? Like? This indicates that at least sometimes
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: men are experiencing multiple instances. Yeah, if they haven't eliminated
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: the hazing over the last fourteen years that was leading
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: to such high levels previously, and so they by the way,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: they switched from rape to sexual harassment here, So what
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: is sexual harassment if and that's another bit of DEI
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: shit right, there's sexual harassment used to be. For instance,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: if I were constantly to be telling Mike something about
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: his butt, or if I ran HBr talk Lauren, you
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: got to come to Ohio and give me a little
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: time if you want to be on the show, that'd
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: be sexual harassment.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: If I constantly belittled Mike's opinion because he's male, and
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: I said it was less because he's male, Lawrence, because
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: she's female, said it was less he has more right
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: to talk about these issues because he's a dude, that
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: would be sexual harassment, But under the DEI umbrella, it
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: becomes sexual harassment. If Lauren decides she's male and her
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: pronouns are there and all that, and I say, no,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: we're not going to use your pronouns and I'm going
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: to keep referring to you as female, then I become
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: a sexual harasser under the DEI umbrella. If I'm offended,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: if well, or if Laurence offended that I'm bisexual and
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: speaks up about it, it's considered sexual harassment. Or if
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm in a relationship with a woman instead
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: of a dude, and I talk about it and Lawrence
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: offended and speaks up about it, it becomes sexual harassment
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: of me under the DEI umbrella. Jesus, if I shoved
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: my relationship in everybody's face, I am the gayest of
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: gay women, and you better fucking like it. When somebody says,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: don't do that. I don't want to hear about what
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: you do in your bedroom. They're sexually harassing me under
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: a DEI, when in reality that would be me sexually
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: harassing them.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because nobody needs to know.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: I just had this situation happen at my job where
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: one of the guys came around and he's talking about
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: what he don't want to get into explicit descriptions of what.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: He was saying, but it's basically what he likes to
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: do in the bedroom. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm sitting
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: right here. I don't not only don't I care.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: I don't want to think about anything that you're fucking
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: because it's gotta be twice as fat and three times
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: as ugly.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: It's just one of those things you don't want to
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: know about your coworkers. Yeah.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: No, I have no fucking desire.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Has nothing to do with what with work, Absolutely nothing
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: to do with work.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: You are just oh here, just it's just and I'm
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: supposed to just accept the fact that this is just Gods,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: it's just God's getting along.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: No, I've been in this business for most of my life.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: I understand how that thing happens. Right, It doesn't involve
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: you talking about your fucking sexual exploits behind the fucking
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: bedroom door man. And so when I speak up and
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: I say something about it, and then I'm mocked for it, right,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: they make fun of me.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, swear to God, I'm just I just want to
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: fucking my husband's.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my husband's actually used to be in middle management
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: at a factory in the community they lived in before
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: their divorce, and under her she had a couple of
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: workers on one of the lines in that factory that
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: we're constantly engaging in PDA. If they walked past each other,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: they had to pat each other on the butt or
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: kiss or whatever and everything. And it's stuff that it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: depends on the personality of the individual in the room
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: with them, whether you are you're like, I really don't
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: want to see that, or I'm that person that always
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: has this little, oh cute kind of smile as long
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: as it's not overtly sexual, Like I don't want to
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: see boob grabbing and shit like that. But you know,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I don't, And I don't mind if people call each
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: other pet names at work and stuff like that, married
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: couples of work together and stuff. But I don't want
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: to hear that thing you did in the bedroom last
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: night really was awesome. And I don't want my coworkers
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: telling me what to do with my husband.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: Bedrooms No, no, and that I've heard it all about
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: all of at least the ones that are in the
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: closest proximity to me, right, like this one isn't fucking
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: because he's got diabetes, so is.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Dick doesn't work.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: This one isn't fucking because he's religious and he doesn't fuck.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: There are drugs for the first one. But yeah, I.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: Don't need to know this.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: Why do why fucking need to know this? Why is
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: this something that you talk about? Why you can yet
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: is a topic of fucking conversation?
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: But yet it is?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 7: And here we are here, we are right, And it's
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 7: the same thing as my workplace is almost all women,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 7: all right, all of us are pre the stage where
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: you stop having periods, right, And.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I've said before I hate talking about that subject. It's
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: not I don't want to sit around and talk about
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: taking a ship either.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: No, But we have one guy.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: In the whole workplace.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: We have one guy. All that poor guy I know.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: And so there was one meeting we had where he
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: missed the meeting because he had to work. And he
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: has this is his second the job that's my primary
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: job is his second job. His other job makes a
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: lot more money for him than this one. But in
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: any case, I, because he wasn't there, I finally was
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: able to bring it up. Ladies, leaving your period blood
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: on the toilet seat on nights when this guy is
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: going to have to work and it's his job to
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: clean the bathroom. In my opinion, that's sexual harassment. And
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I know you're doing it because it's there when I
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: come in at night and I have to clean the
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: bathroom and it doesn't I don't like it either, But
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm female and I have the same thing, so I understand.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: But when you are during that time of the month,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: after you get up off the toilet, just turn around
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: and look, and if you have something off the seat,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: please wipe it up, because up dude in particular shouldn't
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: have to clean that up. No, No, we all had
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: this little There was a little discussion of whether or
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: not it was sexist to expect I have different expectations
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: for what he should accept and what I should accept.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, you guys, bitch about it. If there's
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: urine on the floor, don't you Yeah, if he misses,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: that's the same thing we're talking about, a bodily fluid.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: That is a trash elimination. We're getting rid of our
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: garbage or bodily garbage. So what constitutes sexual harassment in
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: a workplace is often affected by what the individual who
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: would be the target of sexual harassment, what is it
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: reasonable to expect that person to tolerate, versus what is
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: reasonable for that person to have as a boundary that
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: don't cross this boundary, don't make me listen to this,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: don't make me clean up your poop or your period
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: blood on the toilet seat, and things like that, And
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with common courtesy.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: It's common courtesy to not leave a mess for the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: next person to deal with in the backroom. It's common
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: courtesy to not subject other people to your most private
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: personal matters, especially when they have to do with things
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't want other people watching. You wouldn't want
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: other people if somebody came along with a camera and
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: surreptitiously filmed you doing that, it would be a crime.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: So don't go around shoving it down people's throats verbally either.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And those.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Are fair things to have as standards for. So there,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: it is fair to say it's sexual harassment in the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: workplace to subject somebody to that, just as much as
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: it is sexual harassment in the workplace to pat somebody's
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: butt every time you walk past them, especially after they've
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: said no. But even if they haven't, if they haven't
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: said yes and they're not a partner of your like,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: it's sexual harassment to ask your secretary to wear more
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: revealing clothing male or female to wear more revealing clothing,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: and so on, it's crossing boundaries. But when it comes
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: to when it comes to DEI, what DEI does is
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: it comes in and says, based on your position in
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: the progressive stack, your boundaries matter less, and these other
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: people's boundaries matter more, and they have more right to
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: cross your boundaries. They have a right to delegitimize your boundaries.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: So people can tell you you have to say certain things,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: and people can tell you that you have to accept
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: certain impositions because of your demographic versus their demographic, and
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: that's probably what's being changed. And in regard to the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: military sexual harassment policies, they're probably having to go through
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: that with a fine tooth comb If the Biden administration
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: inserted a whole bunch of gender ideology into it, including
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: things like the idea that you're transphobic if you're super
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: straight or super gay or whatever. That means that you
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: hate people because they're trans and similarly, they've probably had
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: to look out for things like individuals that, if they're straight,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: reject advances and maybe give the cold shoulder to somebody
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: who has engaged in harassment because they're gay or bisexual.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: And again it has to do with changing what respect
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: people have for your boundaries based on demographic so that
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: this idea that this is just something to panic over
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: and how dare they pause this and so on. No,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's perfectly reasonable to go through and double
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: check and make sure that they are not subjecting service
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: members to actual harassment in the name of preventing harassment.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: And based on these concepts of diversity, equity and inclusion
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: and microaggressions and phobias and so on, you have just
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: as much right to say no to somebody because you're
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: straight and they're gay, or you are straight and their
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: gender identity doesn't match their biological sex and their biological
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: sex is not the sex you're attracted to. You have
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: just as much right to say no without being labeled
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: phobic or any other type of like hate label. Yeah,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: and it's just as much sexual harassment to try to
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: impose on you against your will, regardless of the demographic
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: of the individual doing it.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: YEP.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: So I don't know that we need to go through
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: the what to know part because this is for military
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: personnel and it's just about how it's going to affect
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: them with regard to training and such. But it's definitely
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: an interesting situation. And I'll go back to this what
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here just to remind you now that
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: I've pointed out that a large part of what's changing
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: is the military standards for what constitutes sexual harassment and
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: how the training needs to reflect that. The top expenditure,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: the top contract was twenty eight million dollars in fact,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: twenty eight million, seven hundred and five thousand for professional
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: services to support the Defense Human Resources Activity Sexual Assault
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Prevention Program. And they're spending that money creating these materials,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: distributing them, paying people to watch them. Can you get
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: paid when you go to this training and so on?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: And ensuring that it has all of this DEI shit
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: in it? And now they're having to spend money to
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: go through it and remove it. And that's just the
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: top one. We have twenty eight thousand, fifteen thousand, nine thousand,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: four thousand, two thousand, and it goes down or a million, sorry,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: twenty eight million, and so on, and it goes down
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: several rows. Here we're still in the hundreds of thousands,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: multiple rows as we go down, and we have personnel
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: that are getting there. It is the sexual assault coordinator
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: with personnel that are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: This is for labor sexual assault coordinator, meaning that this
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: is work that the sexual assault coordinator did two hundred
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: and fifty nine thousand dollars, alternate sexual assault response coordinator
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars. And we go
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: through different things that still in hundreds of thousands. Now
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: we're in the one hundred thousand, just under two hundred thousand.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: There's prevention training, situational awareness training, prevention and response office.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: From expanding the office from one room to two separate
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: rooms cost one hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: It costs more than forensics examiners, instruction courses.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: More than some people's fucking house.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get a house in dating for under
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars in a neighborhood that's not necessarily crime ridden. Yeah, unbelievable.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: And it just keeps going and going. Alternate sexual assault
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: coordinator one hundred thousand dollars, one hundred and one thousand dollars,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: sexual assistant, sexual assault response coordinator ninety five. That's I
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: want that kind of money.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: It sounds so weird. Sexual assault coordinator.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: Or response coordinator.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, my god.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the cost. The cost of having women in
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: the military to complain about this stuff and demand feminist
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: proms be instituted to deal with this stuff is millions
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: of dollars, with some expenditures of hundreds of thousands of
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: dollars being just for one paid worker's position, plus the
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: research that the military is paying for to determine how
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: to proceed in reducing this. It's insane. Yeah, And that's
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: the main contracts then we have. I still don't know
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: what idvs stand for, but this is a special type
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: of contract and so it doesn't say the amounts the obligations.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: It says the outlays. So there's six more of these
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: in each one of them. Four of them have had
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: money paid out so far and two of them haven't. Now,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: catharisis Productions, I did look into that. They make videos.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: So what they do is twenty nine thousand here, and
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: this two thousand here and the sixty two thousand there.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Those are all paying for sexual assault prevention training videos.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: And those are videos on a topic of consent. Just
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: to really boil it down to it, all of those
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: are videos on a topic of consent. So they're basically
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: getting paid sixty two thousand dollars here and twenty nine
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars there, and then another two thousand dollars there
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: to explain to soldiers what the details are regarding consent. Yeah,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: I could make a twenty dollars video, and that's if
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: I pay for materials to use in the video and
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: then charge for my time. And if I charged what
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: I charged for Honey Badger Radio, it would be significantly
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: lower than what I would charge if I was doing
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: somebody's wedding, for instance, I could make a video for
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: them on the topic of consent and how they should
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: view it and how they should respect each other's boundaries
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: for five hundred bucks and they could probably use it
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: for fifty years as long as they add something they
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: could play it on. Yeah, but there you go. It
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't tell people that they have to use their assailants
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: proper pronouns when reporting the crime. So let's get into
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: our superchow we have. Meredith g gave us five dollars.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Oh there's this one, first, says crap. I missed this one,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna read it. Albatross gave us ten dollars
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: yesterday at six fifty five PM. And and this was
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: from yesterday's show, So I don't know what he's talking
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: about here, but he said, I'll never understand why women
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: like this even entertain the idea of relationships with men
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: if they have this much mistrust or disdain. She makes
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: it sound like it's easier to be single, and that
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: makes me wonder if it's we went over the work
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: of a feminist influencer that's like some female dating strategy
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: chick that just has that kind of disdain for men.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm assuming they were talking about a woman who
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: thinks that men are dangerous and predatory, And yeah, it
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense that women who think that of all
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: men try to have relationships with men anyway. Meredith, she
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: gave us five dollars and said, I was listening to
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: an army VET talk about the fact that having men
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: and women mixing in military result in a problem of
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: constantly having to police the basis because all of the
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: consensual sex thing is going on and all of the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: problems it can cause. All of a sudden, a base
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: is attacked and two people are not at their post
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: because they are screwing around. And the reason why I
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: point this out is if you have soldiers letting off
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: steam with alcohol and other substances, it is a recipe
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: for disaster. And all of this behavior should be a
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: concern for the military because you're adding to a bad
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: mental health conditions and group cohesion, and this is a
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: recipe for even more disaster and risks in the field.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: And yeah, the obvious is people not being at their
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: posts when they should be. But there's another thing, all right,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: So if the fraternization taking place is defined as misconduct, yes,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Richard Bier Manifestel, that's who I was thinking of. I
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't hear her name. But if that fraternization is defined
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: as misconduct, and the soldiers get caught in the midst
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: of their misconduct, one of the first things that's gonna
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: happen is a false allegation because the dude is going
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: to take the brunt of blame right, Oh, you were
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: engaging in misconduct. I'm sorry, Yes, I was engaging in misconduct.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: I'll accept my discipline. But the woman is going to say,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to, he made me do, and I
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: was sexually her asked to beat the rapes, and the
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: next thing you know, there's now an incident that gets
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: recorded as being being raped or being sexually assaulted, being
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: sexually harassed, whatever, And he's engaging in misconduct, but she's
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: a victim, and there has to be a hearing and
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: an investigation and all that, and then it's possible that
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: instead of just some sort of minor discipline being faced
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: by both of them, he's going to go to jail
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: and be dishonorably discharged, and his career's over and he
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: may be incarcerated for years and never have any kind
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: of career, when in fact, the whole thing was consensual.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: Then you also have the risk that if these people
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: are in a combat situation together or any other danger
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: situation together, because of the bond that oxytocin has created
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: when they had sex, he's going to risk himself in
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: ways that he wouldn't have risked himself for her safety,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: and she's going to rely on him risking himself in
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: ways that she wouldn't have relied on him risking himself
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: because it's romantic in her mind, it's very bad formula.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: Mare G gave us another five dollars and said, for
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony, I think the point we miss is that
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: in addition to the parenting problem, there's a problem that's
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: created by taking traditional ways we socialized boys to become men. Yes,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: very much. Compound it by feeding these boys of culture
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: that glorifies violence, helped to create the poor decision making
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: that will lead to tragedy. Yeah, you have this combination
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: of we don't allow boys to learn how to handle
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: conflict on their own with each other, and we don't
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: tell them how to handle conflict. We don't instruct them,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: and so when they have conflict, they don't know what
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: to do. And then we also we also show them
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: constantly media violence and music that glorifies violence, and news
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: reports that glorify violence, and so on, And we also
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: give them narratives that make them at odds with each
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: other in ways that like the post incident, racializing isn't
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: happening in a vacuum, all right, The pre incident racializing
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: probably affected the decisions that were made in that situation
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: as well, and we are polarizing our youth in ways
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: that Gen X had largely overcome and it's a horrible
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: thing to do to them, honestly. Yeah, absolutely, in nineteen
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: ninety those guys might have been much more friendly with
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: each other, oh yeah, talking about their times and so
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: on in the races instead. Undoubtedly, in fact, the only
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: race that would have come up would be the ones
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: they ran.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, And my brother was the captain of his
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: track team in high school, so I'm not unfamiliar and
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: that's exactly what would have happened. But no, this is
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, and all people wanted to do, even in
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: this chat is called call them a nigger, you know
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: what I mean, because it makes you feel good, and
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: it just makes it makes me sick.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: It makes me.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: Absolutely fucking sick, because again, just like what I told
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: you in the beginning, they are taking this situation and
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: instead of focusing on the fact that there are two
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: young men whose lives have been affected, not to mention
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 4: the rest of their family, but we're taking this and
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 4: making it a fucking black and white issue when it
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 4: is anything but Yeah, and that's it. I'm gonna I'm
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: gonna step off of my fucking soapbox because apparently people
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: don't like what I have to say and I really
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: don't care.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: I really don't fucking care. What are you gonna do?
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Put hands on.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: Me through the chat ground feel a little bit different. Yeah,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: if somebody can do that, I want to know how.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: But when it really boils down to it, there is
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: an issue that gen X somehow fucked up so badly
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: raising millennials that they have turned our grandkids into this
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifties stereotype of racial polarization. And it's very sad.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things that hurts to see
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: because we had so much fun growing up getting to
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: know each other and being not like the history indicated
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: we should end up right being completely not giving a fuck. Okay,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: so you're gay, Okay, so you're black, Okay, so you're white, Okay,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: so you're Mexican. We don't care. Let's play football, Let's
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: start up a band together, Let's have a good time.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: Let's have a party, Let's drink a few, Let's sit
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: around and talk about what stupid things the people before us.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: Did that have fucked up the government in ways that
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: we're going to have to deal with when we're adults.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: And now that we are adults, our grandkids are dividing
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: everything by demographic again. And it's heartbreaking. It's like watching somebody.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: It's like knowing a person who has a serious addiction,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: like a heroin addict, and you see them through rehab
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: and you go through the pain of their highs and
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: lows and them almost dying and surviving going through withdrawal,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: and all of the difficulty and all of the financial
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: expenses and everything. And they get out of rehab and
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: they have a few short years of getting a job
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: and paying their own rent and their own bills and
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: everything is all normal, and yeah, they still had a struggle,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: but they're defeating the demon. And then you come home
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: and find them dead on the living room carpet with
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: a needle in their arm. That's how it feels to
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: watch zoomers tear down all of the progress that we
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: made growing up.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: Absolutely heartbreaking. Yeah, you know, what are you gonna do?
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: Rant and rieve about it? That's what we're here for.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: We also had a super chat and let me scroll
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: back to it because there it is. Okay. So Albatross
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: gave us five dollars and said, I can't think it
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: any cool to say, so here's five bucks. That was
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: pretty cool though, saying here's five bucks. It's always cool
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: and we thank you for it.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 6: Yes, we just have to sit a whole lot more.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we appreciate you. We appreciate you. I appreciate you,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: if that means anything.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: I miss making fun of how silly and stupid and
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: funny racial slur sound instead of using it right, people
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: using like seriously, some of them are quite ridiculous anyway.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: And the Shadow Wolf eighty seven, by the way, on
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: Rumble says, I appreciate all badger ants. It was refreshed,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: refreshing to hear you rant, Lauren, So you are appreciated.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: It's not all it's not all bad.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you, So thank you.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: If anything, I appreciate that I can bring a different
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 4: perspective because I know there are a lot of people who.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Are they have their minds made.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: Up about the situation, and it's just not as clear cut.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: It's not as cut and dry as everyone will like
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: to believe. And again I am I'm taken aback by
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 4: the lack of people's desire for due process. That's all
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: that I want, That's the only thing that I want
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: to see. I want the due process to happen. He
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: deserves that. They both deserve that. So when you stray
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: outside of that, then you're going into realms of what
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: other people want you to believe.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: Right like the Stupieters of the world. There are people
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: who are.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: So set and died in the wall about what they
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 4: believe happened, and in all actuality, none of us were there.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 4: So how about we just take ten ten steps back
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: and let the whole situation calm down, let things happen,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: and then we can make a decision off of that.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: But I will always stand on the side of due
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: process for this young man because he is the only
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 4: one that is here standing, that has to defend himself,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: and it's just such an unfortunate situation. It's an unfortunate
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: situation all the way around.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: So I will say, when I was doing research for
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: that episode, it was very difficult to find stuff that
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: could be solidly confirmed, and about three quarters, like three
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: out of every four sources of information I found, I
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: found something else that contradicted it, and there was a
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff that was initially reported in the news
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: media about that situation that had to be walked back afterwards.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: And so it was definitely one of those news stories
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: that somebody was trying to promote a narrative and put
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff out there that was not true.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: And I noticed it, like, the same thing happened with
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: I can't think.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 6: Of his name, Kyle Rittenhouse, Yeah, it happened with him too.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: That same thing happened with the story of the cop
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: that was accused of killing.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, Derek Chauvin.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the same thing happened with him. A bunch of
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: stuff came out about him and his personal life and
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: his associations, and then you look into it and it's
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: like none of that is backed by anything. Then, yeah,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: there was there were claims about things the family was
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: doing and stuff like that. None of it was true.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: And so it was very difficult researching for this story
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: because you couldn't get the facts without getting heaping helping
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: of junk news that really didn't that wasn't real news.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and somehow our collective memory has an etch a sketch.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: It's just all been shaken away, like we've forgotten everything
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: that's happened in the past few years with situations like this,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: and we have just we just we have we just
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: want to be mad at a person, and we just
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: want to put labels on this person. I don't understand it.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: I don't understand it. Where is our where is our humanity?
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: I could not imagine, forget being his mother. I couldn't
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: imagine being him in this situation right now, if you
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 4: were trying, if you were trying to defend yourself against
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 4: someone who has one hundred pounds on you, right and
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: nobody knows what was going through his mind during that moment,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: So everybody who is it has it in their mind
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: that he's just this monstrous chilre.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: It was just this, get the fuck out of my
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: face with that.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think he's monstrous, but I do think
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: that he's gonna have some serious regrets about this for
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: the rest of his life.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely remember.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 4: Away that you could walk away from something like this
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 4: and have regrets for the rest of your life.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: What I said about remembering the sound of the nosebreaking
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, Yeah, yeah, he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a sound to remember, he's gonna have a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of sounds to remember for the rest of his life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are.
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  Speaker 1: Never gonna go away. Those will never fade in his memory.
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  Speaker 1: He'll remember that forever to haunt him for.
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  Speaker 4: The rest of his Even police officers who are charged
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  Speaker 4: with the duty of.
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  Speaker 2: Protecting and serving the.
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  Speaker 4: Population, even when they unfortunately have to do something so
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  Speaker 4: severe as to shoot a person, it never never and
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  Speaker 4: they are legitimately in the let's assume in the cases
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  Speaker 4: where they are legitimately in the right to do such
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  Speaker 4: a thing as take a person's life, it will never
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  Speaker 4: leave them.
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  Speaker 1: And it hits you later in a different way than
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: it did in the moment, too, especially if you're young. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't really it affected me when I was seventeen
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  Speaker 1: and I broke that girl's nose and I heard the
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  Speaker 1: sound of the crack, and it's a nasty, wet sound.
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  Speaker 1: But it really didn't affect me the same at that
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  Speaker 1: age as it did five years later, and ten years later,
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  Speaker 1: when I had more maturity and a better understanding of
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  Speaker 1: there's damage that takes place. I had my nose broken professionally,
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  Speaker 1: I went to a doctor for it, and there's still
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  Speaker 1: there's scar tissue and damage that takes place that it's
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  Speaker 1: never the same afterward.
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  Speaker 4: And conversely, in my situation, I will always be left
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  Speaker 4: with the thought of why didn't I fight back against
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  Speaker 4: those girls that assaulted me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Like, why didn't? What could I have done?
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  Speaker 4: I am always I'm still haunted. I've never spoken about
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  Speaker 4: this until this day right now. I've never told anybody
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  Speaker 4: about this, and I am always haunted about why I
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 4: didn't stand up for myself.
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  Speaker 2: It changes the way you live the rest of your.
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  Speaker 1: Life, now, it does? It does? I have moments like
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: that too. And the girl when I was twelve that
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: assaulted me and I over and over again. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything about it until I was about thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't tell an adult about it because it
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  Speaker 1: just seemed like getting into a fight. I didn't understand
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: the sexual aspect of it.
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  Speaker 2: It never goes away.
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  Speaker 4: People don't understand that you yourself over it. Yeah, it's
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: the people online who are spouting their opinions. You only
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: have opinions because you have never been put in this situation.
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  Speaker 4: And I wish that I could be one of you.
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  Speaker 4: I wish that I could never have had this happen
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  Speaker 4: to me so that I wouldn't have to have this opinion.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I couldn't be in this position. I wish
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  Speaker 4: I could just be a fucking keyboard warrior. I don't
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  Speaker 4: have that, And this is why I have the passion
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  Speaker 4: that I have behind my defense behind for this young
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  Speaker 4: man or any young man in any situation.
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  Speaker 2: It's just.
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  Speaker 4: To just turn your back on people like that is
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  Speaker 4: so inhumane to me, and I will never it will
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  Speaker 4: never be me.
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  Speaker 1: If people got to get it through their heads. There's
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  Speaker 1: no such thing as a situation that is truly just
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  Speaker 1: all black and white, and everybody in this situation is affected.
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  Speaker 1: The brother of the victim, for instance, every sound that
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: the guy with a knife had to hear, that brother
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: also had here. Yeah, and then the whole thing. It's
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I rant so much about
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: what's wrong with zero tolerance and what's wrong with taking
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: away the attack on boys will be boys, the attack
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: on rough and tumble play between boys when they're little,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: where they use that rough and tumble play to learn
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: to navigate their own boundaries in each other's boundaries. That
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: attack is partly response for this incident. Yeah, So as
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: far as I'm personally concerned, every time I read about this,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: I get a little angry because people are talking about
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: this in terms of race, and they're talking about it
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: in terms of toxic masculinity. When every feminist that ever
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: said it's toxic to say boys will be boys when
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: boys engage in rough and tumble play had her hand
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: on that knife in that moment. That's my opinion. And
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: not to say that the guy's not responsible for what
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: he did, but the vacuum that people see around that
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: decision making process isn't real. Yeah, But with that, we
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: better get a going because it's really getting late and
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: it's about time to have the after show. If you
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: want to participate in our after show, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to get involved with the discussion in the after show,
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: We're actually going over in the after show a discussion
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: that I had with GROC and how it played out
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: and what its implications are for men's rights activists possibly
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: having an outlet for influencing the public through AI conversation bots.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: How it depends on how the bot handles information it
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: takes in and how that information influences influences its future conversations.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: So if anybody's familiar with the Ta tweets incident, you'll
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. But we have some potential
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  Speaker 1: here for maybe getting our information. Statistics that we talk
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: about that feminists don't talk about, history that we talk
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: about feminists don't talk about, and logic that pradicts a
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: lot of feminist narratives into the discourse that is influenced
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: by AI chatbots basically, and Grock is indicating just by
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: its responses in such a conversation that it is possible
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: to influence how the bot responds to various types of information.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: It may be a way to get past like the
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: type of censorship that Google engages in, for instance, especially
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: as people are starting to use groc as a search
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: engine and other chatbots as search engines. Right, and if
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  Speaker 1: So with that, I will thank everybody for listening, and
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: thanks to my two co hosts for going over the
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: material and the tangents were really good tonight. I think
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  Speaker 1: we usually go on tangents that are just us chit
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: chatting and everything, but I think we covered a lot
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: of ground tonight that needed to be covered. So thanks
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: very much for that, and thanks to everybody who works
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: in the background to make HPR Talk happen. And good
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: night all.
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  Speaker 6: Love you all, have a good night, Love you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Us Usa, Sai