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BREAKING: LITTLE CHARLOTTE, 9, MISSING FROM BIKE RIDE FOUND ALIVE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A miracle, a miracle, nine
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  Speaker 1: year old Charlotte Charlotte Senna has been found alive.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Foxination and
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  Speaker 1: Serious XM one eleven. Actually that's the story. Charlotte is alive.
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  Speaker 1: But who, what, where?
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  Speaker 2: Why? When? Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: Just an incredible end to this two day long search.
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  Speaker 3: It was about six forty five Eastern when we started
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  Speaker 3: to notice see police troopers leaving here where they have
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  Speaker 3: been searching with their lights going peeling out of here.
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  Speaker 3: And then we got confirmation from the New York State
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  Speaker 3: Police that nine year old Charlotte Senna has.
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  Speaker 2: Been found alive. They do have a suspect in custody.
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  Speaker 4: The case started to break at four twenty am this morning.
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  Speaker 5: When the family's home that was being guarded by state police,
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  Speaker 5: when the parents were still starting another day at the
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  Speaker 5: campsite where they'd last seen their daughter.
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  Speaker 4: Four am, the car pulls up to a mailbox.
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  Speaker 5: Something is left. State police immediately go to the mailbox
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  Speaker 5: and identify what is a ransom note that it left
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  Speaker 5: behind for Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing not only our friends at NBC, but a
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  Speaker 1: presser regarding the discovery of this nine year old little
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  Speaker 1: girl found in a cabinet in a camper inhabited by
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  Speaker 1: the kidnapper. Again, thank you for being with us. Without
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  Speaker 1: any further ado, let me go straight to the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Chris Everhart joining us from Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Digital. Chris, thank you for being with us. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me everything so question. The police were staking out
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  Speaker 1: Charlotte's home while her parents were still at the camp
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  Speaker 1: out scene, and that is when they did they observe
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  Speaker 1: someone come and put something in the mailbox.
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  Speaker 2: What happened on not.
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  Speaker 6: One hundred percent sure if it was the police that
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  Speaker 6: saw it or the neighbors that saw it. I got
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  Speaker 6: coflicting messages from the residents. But yeah, apparently they just
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  Speaker 6: guy put this ransom note in the mailbox, and they.
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  Speaker 7: Were able to use fingerprints and hit back to.
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  Speaker 6: A late nineties Dui and that's how they were able
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  Speaker 6: to identify on about four to twenty in the morning.
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  Speaker 7: He dropped that.
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  Speaker 2: Off four twenty a m.
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  Speaker 1: In the morning, and that's just the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: search that led to Charlotte alive.
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  Speaker 5: Listen State police worked diligently trying to find a match
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  Speaker 5: for a fingerprint.
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  Speaker 4: First one tried wasn't successful.
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  Speaker 5: Second one was to identify any other prince in the
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  Speaker 5: New York State database that.
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  Speaker 4: Would be a match. The hit came at two thirty
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  Speaker 4: in the afternoon. There had been.
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  Speaker 5: A DWI nineteen ninety nine in the city of Saratoga.
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  Speaker 4: A fingerprint was found.
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  Speaker 5: That matched what was found on the ransom note. So
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  Speaker 5: the more research work identify the location and identifying the
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  Speaker 5: fact that there was a hall that could visit. They
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  Speaker 5: found a double wide house with a woman who suspect's mother.
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  Speaker 5: Suspect lived in the camphor behind.
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  Speaker 1: What we're learning, this nine year old little girl was
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  Speaker 1: found in a cabinet in a camper van owned by
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  Speaker 1: the kidnapper. His name Craig Ross Junior, aged forty seven.
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  Speaker 1: We believe he left a ransom note in the parents' mailbox.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Had he been staking them out,
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  Speaker 1: had he been stalking this little girl or did he
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  Speaker 1: just see her at the campsite and get the home
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  Speaker 1: address out of her That triggered a swat helicopter rescue.
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  Speaker 1: Before I go to an all star panel, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go back to Chris Eberhart joining us from Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Digital. Tell me about the rescue, Chris.
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  Speaker 7: It was this pretty wild eye.
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  Speaker 6: I talked to a resident so the street that he's
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  Speaker 6: actually on, it's called Brett Road, that was blocked off,
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  Speaker 6: but right outside of there there was a few homes
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  Speaker 6: and I talked to one of the residents and they
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  Speaker 6: started noticing cops just kind of idling a couple blocks
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  Speaker 6: over from their house, and it was like two or
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  Speaker 6: three and then all of a sudden, an ambulance started
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  Speaker 6: coming up. Then they sold chopper, and then all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden, a whole bunch of law enforcement vehicle started
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  Speaker 6: rolling through their neighborhood.
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  Speaker 7: And they at that point, they didn't even have to
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  Speaker 7: check the news.
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  Speaker 6: They knew that, you know, Charlotte had to be close by,
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  Speaker 6: and this was all connected to that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, Chris Aberhart, you're giving me a lot
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  Speaker 1: of information at once. Slowly tell me again what you
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  Speaker 1: know about the rescue. What time do the rescue go down.
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  Speaker 6: Rescue went down sometime in the evening, around maybe six
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  Speaker 6: seven o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: So it sounds like a convergence of swat police cars
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  Speaker 1: overhead helicopters. Tell me again, really slowly, and you're learning
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  Speaker 1: this from neighbors.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, there was a couple of neighbors that were in
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  Speaker 6: the area that spoke to me real late last night
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  Speaker 6: and they said that they started slowly seeing a larger
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  Speaker 6: and larger police presidence.
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  Speaker 7: There was a couple.
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  Speaker 6: Idling cops in the area, not really doing much. They
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  Speaker 6: thought it was out of the norm, but they didn't
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  Speaker 6: really think much of it. Then an ambulance came by
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  Speaker 6: really around the same area. Then later that evening. That's
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  Speaker 6: when they don't remember the exact with time, but there
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  Speaker 6: was a lot of law enforcement vehicles rolling through the area,
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  Speaker 6: which is fun.
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  Speaker 2: Like that spot Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 1: Former Federal Task Force Officer for the us DJ formerly
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  Speaker 1: with the DEA and the Miami Field Division, now owner
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  Speaker 1: and operator of Crispin Special Investigations at Crispin Investigations dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Focus on former Federal Task Force Officer Robert Crispin. How
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  Speaker 1: did this thing? I know, you heard everything that Christopher
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  Speaker 1: Eberhart just said, Interpret it for me. Decipher what the
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  Speaker 1: police were doing. Did you hear the neighbors say it
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  Speaker 1: started off very quietly with cops blocking off either end
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  Speaker 1: of the street and slowly, slowly, very quietly, in the
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  Speaker 1: dark of the evening, gathering forces and then bam, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's the helicopter overhead, there's swat, there's crazy, chaotic,
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  Speaker 1: shambolic proceedings going down.
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  Speaker 2: Explain what were they.
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  Speaker 8: Doing so, Nancy, the note was the beginning of the
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  Speaker 8: end to rescue this girl. And it's super glue to
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  Speaker 8: the rescue. And what do I mean by that? Because
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  Speaker 8: that note was put into a fish tank type environment
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  Speaker 8: in a lab slowed down.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on the note, the ransom note, right that we
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  Speaker 1: believe the perp left in the family's mailbox.
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  Speaker 2: This is important.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the girl is swiped, kidnapped from a campground and
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  Speaker 1: then the note isn't taken to the parents' car back
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  Speaker 1: to the campground where we think they are waiting, but
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  Speaker 1: to their home. So he finds out the home address
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  Speaker 1: or had he been stalking the little girl for some time? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he goes to the home in the early morning hours.
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  Speaker 1: We think, I think Chris Everhart sent around four to
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight m right or wrong? Chris Everhart correct and
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  Speaker 1: leaves it in their mailbox. Go ahead, you said something
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  Speaker 1: about a fish tank pick it up right there.
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  Speaker 8: So in a lab, especially when you have ransom notes,
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  Speaker 8: you have notes that people leave when they're robbing a bank,
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  Speaker 8: you can take that note, which is paper, and you
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  Speaker 8: can put it into a fish tank type environment in
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  Speaker 8: the lab and then good o' super glue. The vapors
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  Speaker 8: as they start to evaporate, will circle through the tank
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  Speaker 8: and those will actually start to react and attached to
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  Speaker 8: the organic compounds of the fingerprint residue in the moisture
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  Speaker 8: and lo and behold, a print will start to appear,
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  Speaker 8: which will then allow forensic investigators to take high resolution
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  Speaker 8: photographs of that fingerprint and compare it in a system
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  Speaker 8: called APHIS. Aphis is a nationally recognized and a national
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  Speaker 8: database of everyone's fingerprints that's been arrested. And this is
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  Speaker 8: how this systematically started to break down, and they were
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  Speaker 8: able to get a hit from the nineteen NINETYUY. Once
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  Speaker 8: they had that, once they knew who it was, then
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  Speaker 8: they started going into locating where does that person live?
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  Speaker 8: Immediately and I'm telling you, Nancy, from doing these types
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  Speaker 8: of cases, within thirty minutes, that house was surrounded by
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  Speaker 8: undercovers initiating surveillance and then the rest systematically started to
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  Speaker 8: come together as they put a rescue team together. Now
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  Speaker 8: we don't know what they saw when they were doing
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  Speaker 8: undercover surveillants there, but I guarantee you there was an
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  Speaker 8: undercover surveunts team at that location once they identified and
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  Speaker 8: had their manage.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So it goes from getting the ransom note, putting
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  Speaker 1: the note as you say, and you know, everybody's wearing gloves,
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  Speaker 1: and picking it up with twezers. That's real what you
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  Speaker 1: see on TV and in movies, that's real. You pick
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  Speaker 1: it up with tweezers because even with a glove on,
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  Speaker 1: you could smear a print.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want that. You don't want to get your
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  Speaker 2: print on it.
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  Speaker 1: So you were gloves, but you don't want to smear
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  Speaker 1: the print that's already on it if the perp didn't
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  Speaker 1: think to wear gloves. So you pick it up with sweezers,
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  Speaker 1: and you put it, as you hear Christmas say, into
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  Speaker 1: a fish tank environment. Now, and what I've seen is
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  Speaker 1: it is a glass so the scientists can see what's happening,
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  Speaker 1: but they put a top on let's just call it
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  Speaker 1: the fish tank, so those fumes.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go out into the room.
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  Speaker 1: You need to keep it in the tank so it
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  Speaker 1: will begin circulating. As you see, let's just say, smoke
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  Speaker 1: from a fire or a cigarette begins to circulate in
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  Speaker 1: the room. It does that, and right there, right there,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, the fumes from the superglue, the chemical in
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  Speaker 1: those fumes attached to what.
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  Speaker 8: It attached to, the moisture in the organic compounds of
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  Speaker 8: a fingerprint residue.
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  Speaker 1: So they attach immediately to the oils. As he's saying,
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  Speaker 1: the organic compounds. No matter how dry you think your
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  Speaker 1: hands are, the oil in your hands leave a fingerprint.
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  Speaker 1: That's what leaves the fingerprint. It attaches to that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why. I'm not a scientist, but I know
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  Speaker 1: what happens. Then once it attaches, then what happens, Chrispin.
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  Speaker 8: Then there's high resolution photographs that can take a picture
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  Speaker 8: of that print and that can get inputed into APIs,
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  Speaker 8: which is which is the biometric database in the world
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  Speaker 8: containing fingerprints from all kinds of criminal histories of everybody
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  Speaker 8: in the US, almost like a DNA database.
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  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace Chris Everhart joining us Foxty's
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  Speaker 1: Digital along with the licensed to redshut Crime Online dot
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  Speaker 1: com the first time they tried to get a match,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't work.
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  Speaker 2: What happened, Chris.
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  Speaker 9: Everheart the first time they couldn't get a match. That
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  Speaker 9: I'm not one hundred percent sure. Well, I'm sorry about that.
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  Speaker 9: All I can know is that the dui from the
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  Speaker 9: nineteen ninety nine one.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay because the reality is they did get a match.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of explanations why they may not
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  Speaker 1: have gotten a match the first time, and it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Give me an example, Robert Crispin there, you cannot get
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  Speaker 1: a match the first time, that's no big deal because
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  Speaker 1: they got it the second time.
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  Speaker 10: So listen.
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  Speaker 8: So we don't know how many people touch this note
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  Speaker 8: before it got to the lab, so they may they
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  Speaker 8: may have tried to do a print comparison with two
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  Speaker 8: different prints that were on the note, one being the
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  Speaker 8: neighbor or the cop who handed the note to the technician,
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  Speaker 8: because he wasn't wearing gloves and now we have to
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  Speaker 8: do his fingerprints to do a comparison to discount him.
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  Speaker 1: There's a million reasons, but the reality is they got
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  Speaker 1: the print and they were right because that's where Charlotte was.
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  Speaker 1: So the fingerprint match was dead on one hundred percent correct.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: They have what they call it dynamic.
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  Speaker 5: Entry, a tactical maneuver, and within the camphor they located
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  Speaker 5: the suspect. After some resistance, the suspect was taken into custody,
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  Speaker 5: and immediately the little girl was found in a cabinet covered.
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  Speaker 5: She was rescued, and she knew she was being rescued.
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  Speaker 5: She knew that she was in safe hands.
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  Speaker 4: Her parents were imediately notified.
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  Speaker 5: Secured At six thirty two this evening, the suspect, forty
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  Speaker 5: seven year old male named Craig Nelson Ross Junior, is
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  Speaker 5: still being questioned.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing more of that press conference from We're
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  Speaker 1: learning a lot of information and you can hear Hutchell
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  Speaker 1: speaking very methodically and very slowly. What can I say?
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  Speaker 1: What should I say? What should I not reveal? At
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  Speaker 1: this juncture. She's being really really careful, Uh, and she
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  Speaker 1: should be Dynamic entry Does that mean, basically, Chris Eberhart,
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  Speaker 1: Fox Digital, they tore the door, They tore the door down,
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  Speaker 1: dynamic entry. That sounds like airbrushing. They tore the place up.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's That's what I'm hearing is that
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  Speaker 6: it was.
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  Speaker 7: It was a very it was a fourth entry. They
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  Speaker 7: got in there pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: What is it, Chrispin?
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  Speaker 8: The element of surprise was on law enforcement's side, and
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  Speaker 8: it was a dynamic entry with probably some flash bangs
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  Speaker 8: to stun the suspect, give them the opportunity to get
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  Speaker 8: in get him into custody before he could go for
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  Speaker 8: a weapon, because his world was coming to and end
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  Speaker 8: as soon as they came through that door.
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  Speaker 2: Man, you're not kidding, and it should right now.
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  Speaker 1: We believe there is a charge of kidnapping that can
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  Speaker 1: be amended to add other charges. We're waiting to find
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  Speaker 1: out about that. But hey, Robert Crispin, not everybody lives
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  Speaker 1: in our world. What do you mean by flash bang?
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  Speaker 8: So flash bangs are a cercussion device that are thrown
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  Speaker 8: into a building and it's a very loud explosion, one
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  Speaker 8: hundred m m eight fireworks going off, and it literally
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  Speaker 8: the flash in the sound stuns you and you just breeze.
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  Speaker 8: That gives law enforcement the edge of the element of
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  Speaker 8: surprise to take you.
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  Speaker 1: Down to Franci Hakes joining me, former federal prosecutor, first
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  Speaker 1: ever National coordinator for child exploitation. You can find her
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  Speaker 1: at Franciheaks dot com. Francie, long time, no here, but
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  Speaker 1: we need you now way in Francie, Well Nanpy.
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  Speaker 11: This is such an incredible relief, and it really illustrates
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  Speaker 11: the power of law enforcement. When everyone, state and local
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  Speaker 11: are all working together to find one little nine year
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  Speaker 11: old girl. That is the very best that this country
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  Speaker 11: has to offer. When a nine year old girl goes missing,
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  Speaker 11: everyone moves heaven and earth to find her. And they
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  Speaker 11: did find her. And Nancy, as you know, as a
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  Speaker 11: former prosecutor, just like me, we don't like to stay
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  Speaker 11: cases or slam dunks. We never like to say that
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  Speaker 11: because there's almost never really a slam dunk. But that
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  Speaker 11: little girl was found in his house where he was.
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  Speaker 11: This is a slam dunk case, and I'm relieved to
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  Speaker 11: see it too.
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  Speaker 1: Trace sergeant joining us start to rescue recovery expert PhD
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  Speaker 1: Psychology focusing on criminal profiling. I couldn't help but wonder
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  Speaker 1: about putting the little girl, a little Charlotte in a cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she didn't go there on her own.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, Ny, and she in this regard when we talk
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  Speaker 12: about a situation like this, in any situation where someone disappears,
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  Speaker 12: particularly if their females. We look at the victimology of
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  Speaker 12: that individual. Her being a nine year old female alone
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  Speaker 12: put her at the highest risk of victimology. And in
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  Speaker 12: that situation, he saw a crime of opportunity so to speak.
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  Speaker 12: We don't know for sure if he was stalking her,
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  Speaker 12: her family, if he knew her and her family, but
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  Speaker 12: the essence is he saw an opportunity, he took advantage
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  Speaker 12: of it. He also understands that he is committing a crime,
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  Speaker 12: a very serious crime, and he doesn't want to get caught.
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  Speaker 12: So how does he prevent from getting caught. He hides
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  Speaker 12: the evidence, so to speak. In this case, it is
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  Speaker 12: the little girl, Charlotte, and hiding her in the cabinet,
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  Speaker 12: either from his mother or from others, or even keeping
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  Speaker 12: her in a contained environment where she can't escape. Maybe
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  Speaker 12: she tried to get away, we don't know. So that
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  Speaker 12: provides a lot of situations, goals, and objectives for him
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  Speaker 12: to hide her, paying her, and to keep from his
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  Speaker 12: crime being found.
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  Speaker 2: Now very curious.
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  Speaker 1: We know that there's a kidnapping charge right now, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know if other charges are going to be added.
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  Speaker 1: I also have been told that the parents do not
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  Speaker 1: want her health information to be released.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean? It could be a lot. I
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  Speaker 2: want to go back very quickly. Scott A.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson joining me forensic psychologist thirty two years specializing in
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  Speaker 1: addressing preductors just like this at Forensic Consultation dot org.
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  Speaker 1: Scott Johnson, thank you for being with us. Quick question
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  Speaker 1: to Alexis tereshut crime online dot com before I go
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  Speaker 1: to Scott Alexis, do we know whether Charlotte was clothed
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  Speaker 1: or unclothed at the time she was rescued.
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  Speaker 13: The police have not said what she was wearing when
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  Speaker 13: she was rescued. They have only said she was locked
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  Speaker 13: in a cabinet, which and.
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  Speaker 12: She's She's a tall girl.
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  Speaker 13: She is five feet tall. She's only nine years old,
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  Speaker 13: but she's five feet tall. She's ninety pound, which is
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  Speaker 13: nothing at all.
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  Speaker 12: But she is tall.
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  Speaker 13: So imagine this tall girl stuck inside a cabinet in
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  Speaker 13: a trailer which cannot possibly have something too big. But
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  Speaker 13: you know, this was only I want to point out
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  Speaker 13: this was less than twenty miles away from where she
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  Speaker 13: was taken. It's in the Moroa Lake State Park. Milton
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  Speaker 13: is only seventeen miles south of there, so he did
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  Speaker 13: not take her very far, So it was not far
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  Speaker 13: for him to go up there to capture her and
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  Speaker 13: snatch her away from her family. It's like a local
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  Speaker 13: park for him.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Alexis Terestchuk Chris Eberhart Fox
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Day's digital twenty.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Miles from Moreau State Park.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: But how far was his camper that he's got part
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in the back of his mom's place?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: How far was it from the family home?
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: Between ken and fifteen miles?
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: It was closed And actually I think I think from
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: what I've seen and heard before, I think she's seen
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: him before in the neighborhood or something, so there was
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: a a little bit of familiarity.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's the first I'm hearing that. Okay, tell me
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: what you know about that. And we understand that this
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: may change, it may not be correct right now. I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: know that you're getting information from neighbors and relatives and
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: your ends at the police force.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: But are you telling me that she thought there's a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: chance that she thought she recognized him from her neighborhood.
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: Right, And I'm glad you clarified that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Again, this is nothing official from police or anything.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: Like that, but there was some talk that she had.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: Seen him before, but again that's unconfirmed from anybody else.
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: But it would be interesting because.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: When you go that area where she was from Loop A,
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: in that park, it's very close to the street and
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: that it's only separated by a very small amount of
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: grass and then a fence that you can literally just
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: step over. So the curious thing is that she did
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: know him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: Maybe he went.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: Over closer to the fence where it was easier for
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: him to get or did he jump over the fence.
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: We don't know, but again that was the theory that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Some of the residents were pointing out, and especially given
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: the close proximity.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Loop A, close to the street, just separated by grass,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and like, what a chain link fence.
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: It's not even a chain link fence. It's hard to describe.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: It's like a it's a rusted, very brittle metal type fence.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: And I mean, if I wanted to, I could just
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: step on it and it would just crush underneath me.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So how tall is the fence?
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: It took me maybe about fifteen steps from the road to.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: Get that fence.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: How tall is the fence.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Came up to right about my chest, a little lower
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: than my chest.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha, gotcha. I'm trying to figure out Scott A.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Johnson joining me, forensic psychologist, how close the defendant lived
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to her and I'm understanding that was about ten miles
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and Jackie's showing me a note that the home was
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: about thirty minutes to the camp site.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: So, now that we hear from Chris Everhart, unconfirmed reports
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: she may have seen this guy in the neighborhood, not
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: to know him, but to see him like I would
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: know the grocery store checkout guy or woman. I would
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: know them because I see them all the time. That
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean I know a lot about them. I might
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: remember their name from their tag on their shirt. But
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that type of familiarity that may play into this. And
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: it's very hard for me to believe in anybody on.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: The panel jump in.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to believe that he lived
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the defendant lived fifteen ten to fifteen minutes away from
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: her home and he had never seen her before that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: He just happened, Like Anela and Haystack, this happened to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: be the same girl he kidnaps at a campsite.
• 22:49
  Speaker 14: No correct, he likely has seen her in the neighborhood
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: and the opportunity presented itself where he could have duct her.
• 22:57
  Speaker 14: But this was something in the making. Likely already had
• 23:02
  Speaker 14: planned to take her. He likely already knew where he
• 23:04
  Speaker 14: would take her. And so when we catch these people,
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: there's usually that element of, you know, the planning that
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: comes out. You know that this wasn't just a happenstance victim.
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: This was someone that they had seen in the community
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: and had already developed sexual fantasies for and or the
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: possibility for ransom.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Guys, I'm just very curious. Scott Johnson joining me, forensic psychologist.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: This is rare for us that we actually get a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: stranger on stranger child kidnapping resolved with the child alive, alive,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and I've been besieged with questions.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Was she raped, was she attacked? I don't know the answer.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That, but I know this she survived.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: She survived.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That hardly ever happens with stranger own stranger child kidnappings.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Scott Johnson, I'd like to get in, if you can,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the mind of the perp that would take a child
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: with no thought to what it's going to do to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the family or the child and end up forcing her
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: into a cabinet. And this guy, I mean it's the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: proverbial guy in his mom's basement. This is a guy
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: living in a camper in his forties, forty six years old,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in the back of mommy's yard.
• 24:29
  Speaker 14: Right, And so you have someone here who's, if you will,
• 24:32
  Speaker 14: psychologically regressed. He's not mature enough to meet people his
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: own age. He's fantasizing about younger people who he can
• 24:41
  Speaker 14: more easily control subdue without having to invest a lot of,
• 24:46
  Speaker 14: for example, relational communication skills, and so to abduct her
• 24:52
  Speaker 14: means he's got his wishes fulfilled as far as he
• 24:56
  Speaker 14: may not be a child specifically focused on that age
• 25:02
  Speaker 14: of a victim, but this happened to be the victim
• 25:05
  Speaker 14: that he found, but someone that he could easily control,
• 25:08
  Speaker 14: subdue and then perhaps the secondary game here of trying
• 25:13
  Speaker 14: to get some money, which obviously money was an issue
• 25:16
  Speaker 14: for him living in a trailer around his mommy's lot.
• 25:19
  Speaker 14: But someone who's very psychologically regressed, and unfortunately, the things
• 25:24
  Speaker 14: that they could do to their victim in their own
• 25:26
  Speaker 14: head are you kind of get horrendous.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Guys, you are hearing Scott A. Johnson, what more do
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: we know about this guy, Chris Eberhart? Does he have
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a job, did he work? Did he function normally? At
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: first it came out that he was a sex offender.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That's not true. That must have been a different Craig Ross.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: This guy does have a record, thank Heaven. Or we
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: may not have had his fingerprint. So there's a lot
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: swirling right now and we don't know the truth of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: any of it. All we really know is she's alive.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I was in his camper behind his mom's place, which
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: leads me to another question. Mommy didn't know there was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a little girl in the backyard being held in a camper.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: So that's a good question. But what more do we
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: know about this guy? Chris Eberhart? Or on lexis terrest truck.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Anybody jump in.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing today. I'm actually up
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: here right now while I'm talking to you. I'm driving
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: over to the house right now. It was all blocked
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: off last night. They had a cop block in that
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: entrance of the Barrett Road. I also do want to
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: just let you know, Nancy, I did get a response
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: back from police and they have said that authorities so
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: far have found no connection between Ross and the girls
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: family doesn't mean that they haven't seen each other in
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: the neighborhood.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: Or something like that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: But as of right now, the officials is that there
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: is no connection.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That's important. Hold on, let me write that down. It's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: no connection between him and family. Okay, I get it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he was skulking around her neighborhood, driving around.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: We know he's got access to a car. And you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: know what we called it yesterday? She was taken in
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a vehicle. Why because dogs did not pick up her scent.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: In addition to search, rescue, recovery, Tracy's sergeant also is
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: an expert dog handler. That's how I first met her,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and I tried to trip her up every way to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a to Z with her dog. Could the dog find this?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And we did experiments. I did experiments to see if
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I could trip her and her dog up.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Not one worked.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I tried hiding drugs inside of meat. I tried hiding
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it at different places. I tried drugs in bags. I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: tried all sorts of things. The dog never messed up,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and neither did Tracy. So, Tracy, what do you make
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of what you're just hearing?
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: When Anty what happened with the dog situation is classic.
• 27:56
  Speaker 12: So I have actually worked these very vec scenarios where
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: where someone disappeared, and in fact, the runaway Bride was
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: the one that I worked that came to mind where
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: my dog tracked her route and then it stopped, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: I advised the officials that it appears that she got
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: into a vehicle here. I don't know if it was
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: willingly or unwillingly. So what they did with that particular
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: resource in this case a K nine resources, which are
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: great resources in these kinds of situations, told them a
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: lot of things. They told them that listen, she didn't
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: get off of her bike to go into the woods
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: to use the restroom to throw a rabbit or a butterfly.
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: That encouraged her to go into the woods to do
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: some exploring, and maybe she fell in her herself. The
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: dog told them what they needed to know, and that
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: was this is not a innocent situation where this girl
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: walked into the woods. It appears by all accounts that
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: she is than a vehicle, and a nine year old
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: in most cases are not going to get in the
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: vehicle by themselves, so that increases the danger and the
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: safety and the concern level very much in this kind
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: of situation. So the dog was a great resource that
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: exactly what they needed to do, gave them the answers
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: that the officials need to really transition instead of maybe
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: a missing lost child to a missing and danger child.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Or Charlotte being in one of the many bodies of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: water they are at Moro State Park. You're absolutely right
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that trail just ended, which told everybody that it's in
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: this business that she was put in the vehicle.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Is there a connection, take a listen.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: To this was a suspect known to the family. It
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: has not been determined that the suspect was known in
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: the family.
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: Okay, well, Charlotte, greater deternament or you know.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: That is what will be revealed as a more extensive questioning.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: The vehicle registered to the suspect.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: The address from the.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Database was two miles from Charlotte's home, but it is
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: not known at this time whether he knew her or
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: had her under surveillance for any.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Length of time.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace chrispher Eberhart Foxy's Digital we
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: are hearing Hotchel saying that the defendant's home registered in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the DMV department motor vehicle's database was two one two,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: two miles from Charlotte's home, not ten.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Have you been saying two? Oh along? I thought you
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: said ten.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Well, the actual address that we're given is between ten
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: and fifteen, but that trailer is probably it could be closer.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I understand. I understand the vehicle regiter to the suspect.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: The address in the database was two miles from Charlotte's home.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Right now, we don't know if the defendant had Charlotte
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: or her family under surveillance. The family's saying from our
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: sources that there was no connection between them and the defendant.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: What if anything more do we know about the defendant
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the fact that he lives in his mom's backyard in
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the camper. Do we know anything about him having a
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: job to Alexis or Chris? What about an Alexis?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Who is this guy?
• 31:37
  Speaker 13: We do not know that he has a job yet
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: he as you can see from his mugshot, he has
• 31:42
  Speaker 13: a beard and a mustache and unruly hair. You know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 13: maybe not a job where he has to go do
• 31:47
  Speaker 13: an office every day. But I'm just speculating on that one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: We have not been told anything, and no coworkers have
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: come forward, and also to want to point out his
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: mother has not been arrested yet, so she may not
• 31:59
  Speaker 13: have known what is going on. She may not have
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: seen it, Charlotte, she may not have heard her. She
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: obviously didn't call the police to report anything. Because he
• 32:08
  Speaker 13: is the only one from the property show far that
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: he's been arrested.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I believe if they thought she had anything to do
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: with it or knew about it, that she would be arrested.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, Alexis Terrestrict. You know, I keep asking,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: what do you know about this guy? Has anybody thought
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to mention he has to pass arrest for aggravated harassment
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and criminal obstruction of breathing and see, I had never
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: heard of that. I had to look it up. It's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a New York state penal code law when you have
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: struck someone's nose or mouth that is in his history.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: They are arrests. I don't know that they're convictions, but
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: he's arrested for those things. Okay, what about it, Chris,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I jailed.
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: You didn't kick me off because I had not heard
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: that one before. That's what I'm working on today and
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: trying to be together. We know if he did have
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: a job, what he was doing, any criminal history, also
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: to try to find out if his mom was even
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: always the time that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: We don't know either.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: We're telling you what we're learning now, and it could
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: be confirmed or debunked, because at the beginning, isn't this
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: two like Sisterestchuk. It was reported everywhere that this guy
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: was a registered sex offender with two attacks, and I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: believe it was on young boys and that turned out
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to be a completely different maybe same name or same
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: variation variation on that name, but it's not this guy.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But we are learning that this guy has these arrests.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: We think, what.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: Originally everybody was under the impression that it was a
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: man who was fifty one years old, he had an arrest,
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: he had been arrested for sexually assaulting young boy, so
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: he was a registered sex offender. That is not so far.
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: What has been revealed about mister Ross who has been arrested.
• 33:59
  Speaker 13: He is forty six. His arrest was for a duy.
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: And then you are saying that this criminal breathing now.
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: The thing is the police have not revealed that I
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: have not seen.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Those Well, I'll say where it's coming from. It's the
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Sarah Togan The Sarah toogin, which is a news outlet.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, a Craig n Ross was arrested for obstruction.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: At that time he was forty of Corinth was arrested
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in April twenty one charged with criminal obstruction of breathing,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: which is a misdemeanor. Also a Craig n Ross of
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Corinth arrested in twenty sixteen or second degree aggravated harassment.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Do those dates jive with being this guy Chris Everhart
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: if he's forty years old in twenty seventeen, Yeah, the.
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: Dates with jibe. Like I said, that's why I'll be
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: have little pushes on what we say about him, just
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: because we're still piecing it together. I mean, going back
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: to what you guys were talking about before, where they
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: originally thought it was this fifty one year old sex defender.
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: There was a wild circulation on social media because somebody,
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: a sex offender, was talking about the.
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: Case on I don't know which.
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: Social media platform, but that got picked up by a
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: lot of places. I don't know if you were controlling
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: news outlet. I don't know what he was doing, but
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: that's where a lot of that confusion came in. So
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: that's why I'm being a little courses and to making
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: sure that we need everything accurately.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, But I just want to clarify one
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: thing with you, Chris Everheart, Fox News Digital, who is
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: actually in his.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Car right now heading toward the scene.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: You're telling me, and I want to clarify this in
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: my own mind because I'm trying to work up a
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: scenario of what happened. You're telling me the defendant's home
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: is about ten miles from the victim's family home.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: That's the way that I haven't yet?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Hey maybe you know more than the governor.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely possible. Guys, I want to jump forward to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: our cuts, and I want to go to our cuts
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: twenty eight and beyond. But first, Franci haiks fifteen minutes,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and Chrispin, I want you to jump in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: on this. After Francie, she was on her bike doing
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: one more loop around the campsite. We've been told that
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: loop was about one third of a mile. How many
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: times Francie have I gone camping r ving with the twins?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: John David always wants to take his bike and.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: He does a loop, one more loop, and usually I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: go out and I walk the loop while he's riding
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: his bike. And these are RV parks all over the country.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: But sometimes he would be out of my view. Sometimes
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: he would come back around the loop behind me and
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: pass me again. In fifteen minutes, she was gone, Francy gone.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy.
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: It's a shocking coincidence. But I wonder. It really makes
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: me wonder whether he let her on stalking the child.
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: Will eventually find out, because I'm sure the police are
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: right now exploding all the digital media computers, laptops, iPad
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: phones he had at his house to see if there
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: are photographs of this child, for example. But he might
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: have been just stalking the location, that kind of campsite,
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: like you said, you and your kids. Lots of people
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: take their children there, so it looks like what we
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: would call a target rich environment. So I'm sure police
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: right now are doing a forensic Sometimes today we'll be
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: doing a forensic interview of that child to find out
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: exactly what happened, the kind of things he said, whether
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: or not the mother was present, whether he mentioned the
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: mother to the child. She is an incredibly valuable witness,
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: not just what happened to her, but what she says
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: he told her and how he took her, and whether
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: she recognized him. But I suspect we may find out
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: that there are images of children from that campground, because
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: I think he's probably been set up there and waiting
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: for the opportunity to snatch a child.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, Robert Crispin final thought.
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I just wanted to go. I thought about real quick.
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: I had a you know, I'm coming up from you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: like the border of New York City and Wigesson the County.
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: So I called up a profile or just to try
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: to get his thoughts real quick on the whole case.
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: And he thought it was interesting that she would taken
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: after her friends left, So maybe he was waiting for
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: an opportunity. Maybe he was looking at her and then
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: all of a sudden, that last look.
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: He did by herself.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: The other ones were in her friends, and then on
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: that last loop by herself, and that's when he was taken.
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: That was kind of an interesting thing that I've kept
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: in the back of my head that he told me.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Chris, Chris Everhart, you are so right. It's like the hyena.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Robert Crispin at the watering hole out in the Serengetti
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: just waiting for the youngest or the slowest, the most
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: infirm gazelle, and then when all the others leave, he
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: attacks that one. He waits for just the right moment.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's like a jackal.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Listen.
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: The window to grab her was very small, and he
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: took it. But a collaboration between local, state, and federal
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: officials and technology today solved this case and brought this
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: girl home to her family where she can grow up
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: and be an amazing woman and have kids and be
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: married and just enjoy life. A collaboration of everyone came together.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: All I can say is p t L, Praise the Lord.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Goodbye Friend
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: Nine.