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BREAKING: Suzanne Morphew Remains Found · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking now in the last hours,
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Speaker 1: the remains of Suzanne more Few have been found. No question,
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Speaker 1: the remains are Suzanne more Few. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and SiriusXM one eleven. Listen.
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Speaker 2: The Colorado Bureau of Investigation won't say the exact location
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Speaker 2: where they found Suzanne's remains last Friday, only that it
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Speaker 2: is near Moffatt. You're looking at an aerial view of
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Speaker 2: that part of Sawatch County. Investigators were on site for
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Speaker 2: a different case when they came across Suzanne's remains positively
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Speaker 2: identified on Wednesday by the El Paso County corner of
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Speaker 2: the FBI.
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Speaker 1: The CBI. You know, the Sheriff's Department has always the
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Speaker 1: sheriff especially department has always said, you know, we need
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Speaker 1: her body to finish this case out.
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Speaker 3: You know, my thing is you've got her body, Let's
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Speaker 3: finish this case.
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Speaker 1: That's right, you've got her body. Let's finish this case.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our forensic KUSA nine. Now take a list
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Speaker 1: to Fox thirty one.
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Speaker 4: It was certainly an emotional day here in Solida. Many
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Speaker 4: hoping this is the beginning of closure they've been waiting
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Speaker 4: for more than three years for now. We did just
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Speaker 4: receive a statement from the Morphew family. We'll get to
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Speaker 4: that momentarily, but first to those new developments from today.
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Speaker 4: According to the District Attorney's office, Morphu's body was found
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Speaker 4: near the town of Moffat by investigators who were working
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Speaker 4: on a completely different case than this one. Now, those
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Speaker 4: remains were not confirmed to be Morphew's until today.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 4: Moffatt is in Suwach County, about forty miles south of
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Speaker 4: where Morphew was last seen here in Solida. People say
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Speaker 4: they're hoping this can help bring justice and closure.
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Speaker 6: This feels, at least like information that helps us know
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Speaker 6: that she is not continuing to thank her. I think
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Speaker 6: there was a lot of concern about whether or not
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Speaker 6: she was still suffering, and I think that that has
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Speaker 6: brought some relief to people now.
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Speaker 1: According to the husband, Barry Morphew and his family, they
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Speaker 1: say they expected her to walk into the door at
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Speaker 1: any moment, just walk through the door. My question would be,
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Speaker 1: were her assets moved into his name? Did he actually
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Speaker 1: vote for her while he was expecting her to walk
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Speaker 1: in the door at any minute. That and a lot
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Speaker 1: of unanswered questions remain on the table, but with me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we know.
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Speaker 1: Right now. For those of you just joining us, the
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Speaker 1: remains a missing mom, Suzanne Morphew, have been found and
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Speaker 1: they are absolutely her remains. First to Lauren Sharf, joining
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Speaker 1: us on the scene with me in Colorado, looking as
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Speaker 1: best we could for clues, Lauren Sharf, tell me about
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Speaker 1: the discovery of Suzanne Morphy's remains. Where were the remains discovered?
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Speaker 7: They were found in a remote dry desert field of
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Speaker 7: sagebrush and natural grasses south of Moffatt, according to the
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Speaker 7: Swatch County Corner Tom Perrin.
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Speaker 1: Let me take in what you're just saying, Lauren. You
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Speaker 1: always give me so much information. I'm gonna take it
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Speaker 1: line by line, remote dry desert, a field about forty
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Speaker 1: miles from her home. Is that correct, Lauren Sharf?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And it appeared that the remains had been buried
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Speaker 7: in a shallow grave before being scattered.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's telling me a lot. I'm gonna come right
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Speaker 1: back to you, Lauren Sharff. But two renowned professor of
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Speaker 1: forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, and star of a new hit series
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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Well, there you go. This was
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Speaker 1: not a suicide unless she fell into a shallow grave
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Speaker 1: and tried to cover her body up. So we know
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Speaker 1: that she was buried by another person. We know she
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Speaker 1: didn't bike there. Her bike was found not too far
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Speaker 1: from her home. So what did she do? Hitchhike?
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Speaker 5: You look at it, You look at this case, and
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Speaker 5: you think you know. The first key here is is
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Speaker 5: this word shallow. Nancy. In my experience, when you hear
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Speaker 5: the term shallow, that means rushed. That means something that's
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Speaker 5: not very well thought out. If you're trying to conceal
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Speaker 5: something and hide it, you're going to take your time,
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Speaker 5: almost excavate the area, if you will, to go as
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Speaker 5: deep as you possibly can. Because now not only do
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Speaker 5: they have shallow grave, but from what we're hearing, we're
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Speaker 5: also talking about scattered remains, which means that they were
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Speaker 5: easily accessed by any kind of carnivore or scavengers that
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Speaker 5: are out there, and that creates a problem. But the
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Speaker 5: most important thing is that we have a day that
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Speaker 5: has arrived that I did not see coming.
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Speaker 1: Really, yes, because I always thought, I always believed that
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Speaker 1: we would find Susanne Morphew. I didn't know when.
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Speaker 5: No, ma'am, I this is this is dumb luck. I think,
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Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned, if you're working on another.
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Speaker 1: Case, call it divine intervention. I would not call it.
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Speaker 1: He's still talking, isn't he? Wow? I thought you could
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Speaker 1: cut his mic? Can you now do that? Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCollum, joining US forensics expert, founder director of
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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcasecrime
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Speaker 1: dot org and she is a star of a brand
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Speaker 1: new podcast and it's a hit in Zone seven. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this case going cold,
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Speaker 1: but it's only been three years, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: that I would call that cold. That's something for you
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Speaker 1: and I to talk over over a game of checkers.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the facts right now, Cheryl McCollum, shallow
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Speaker 1: Grave and I like with Joe Scott Moore and just
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Speaker 1: said about it being in haste forty miles. And I
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Speaker 1: know that your computer brain is analyzing all of this
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Speaker 1: at the same time. M hmm, just because I cut
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Speaker 1: your mic Jo Scott Morgan doesn't mean you can't keep thinking. Think, Think, think, Think.
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Speaker 1: Forty miles away from her home, she didn't go by bike,
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Speaker 1: she didn't go by car. She's buried in a shallow
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Speaker 1: grave that was so shallow it was easy for animals
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Speaker 1: to get to her and tear her remains apart analysis.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, being there with you in that area gave me
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Speaker 8: so much information I wouldn't have known before. That ground
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Speaker 8: is hard, it is rough terrain. It would take hours,
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Speaker 8: half a day probably to you know, get a decent
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Speaker 8: grave going to completely cover somebody. This person did not
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Speaker 8: have time to do that.
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Speaker 1: Here's hold on, Hold on, Cheryl McCollum, I agree with
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Speaker 1: what you just said, and in a moment, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go back to Joe Scott on this hold on hard ground.
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Speaker 1: Analyze that again. Remember just recently, you and I were
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Speaker 1: out on a legitimately cold, cold, cold, frozen case. Tried
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Speaker 1: to look with ground penetrating radar to see any anomalies
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Speaker 1: within the soil, and we did see anomalies within the soil.
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Speaker 1: That soil was very easily disturbed, not so where Susanne
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Speaker 1: Morphy's remains had been found analyzed, Cheryl.
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Speaker 8: It's filled with rocks and difficult terrain. I mean, you
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Speaker 8: couldn't hardly get a shovel in the ground, Nancy. And
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Speaker 8: we always knew the bike was staged. Now we have
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Speaker 8: proof she never went down that ravine. She was never there.
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Speaker 9: Was there any.
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Speaker 8: Real evidence she was on that bicycle. But here's what
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Speaker 8: I'm really wanting to know. The clothing found on that body.
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Speaker 8: Is it the clothing she was wearing for that last selfie?
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Speaker 8: Or was she in pajamas? Because if you remember, Barry
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Speaker 8: said she was asleep when he left. So what clothing
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Speaker 8: is with the remains, This is going to tell you
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Speaker 8: whether or not it was that afternoon that she, you know,
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Speaker 8: went missing wearing those same clothes or pajamas. The other
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Speaker 8: thing is we're gonna know was she shot. Possibly there'll
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Speaker 8: be evidence stabbed, strangle, There'll be evidence was she bound
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Speaker 8: with anything like rope? Is any jewelry missing? But I'm
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Speaker 8: telling you the money tree is the clothes she has owned,
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Speaker 8: because that's going to tell you whether or not he
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Speaker 8: said something that was not true, or.
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Speaker 1: If she still had on that bikini she was wearing.
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Speaker 1: I mean yes, no, no, you didn't say that. You
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Speaker 1: said pjs. I'm saying her swimsuit.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, the last selfie she was taken or in pajamas
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Speaker 8: because he said she was still asleep.
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Speaker 9: So if it was the.
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Speaker 8: Clothing that she had on in that last selfie, then
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Speaker 8: that's going to give us some money.
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Speaker 10: Tree.
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Speaker 1: We know he came in and busted up in there
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Speaker 1: when she was sitting outside in her swimsuit. We think
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Speaker 1: taking photos that she sent to a guy that she
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Speaker 1: had been dating. That's what we think may have happened.
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Speaker 1: Do we know that. No, but her clothing is going
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Speaker 1: to be very critical, and Cheryl McCollum is absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace unleash Joe Scott Morgan again,
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Speaker 1: uncut his mc Let's talk about what we just heard
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Speaker 1: from Cheryl McCollum. Very narrow question, Joe Scott Morgan, you're
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Speaker 1: the expert on this. Her remains have been scattered by
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Speaker 1: animal activity, that's the euphemism for animals tearing her body apart.
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Speaker 1: That's what happened. Scattered by animal activity is just airbrushing.
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Speaker 1: What really happened to sus Ane Morphu's body. But given
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Speaker 1: that this is gonna be tough. Joe Scott Morgan. Can
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Speaker 1: they get a cod if she was stabbed or if
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Speaker 1: she was shot? Okay, Now I know asphyxiation of any
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Speaker 1: type strangulation, it's gonna be very hard to get that cod.
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Speaker 1: But what about stabbing and what about a gunshot? Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's think about stabbing real quick. If if we're
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Speaker 5: talking about stabbing, one of the things that we're going
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Speaker 5: to be looking for, particularly as it applies to the
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Speaker 5: chest area and to the back as well, Nancy, you'll
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Speaker 5: get tool marks that may cross across the ribs and
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Speaker 5: if you look at it.
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Speaker 1: Fire hydrant, I'm drinking from the fire. Okay, tool marks
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Speaker 1: across the ribs. Slow down just a second. Let me
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Speaker 1: visualize what you're saying. Okay, go ahead, Yeah, let.
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Speaker 5: Me give you a good visual here. Think about the
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Speaker 5: letter V. Okay, think about the letter V and with
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Speaker 5: a tool mark.
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Speaker 1: Tool mark means for the knife hits hits the bone,
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Speaker 1: whatever the instrument is, hits the bone and leaves a mark.
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Speaker 1: Right like you are trying to open a jar and
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Speaker 1: it won't open, so you bam it on the kitchen
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Speaker 1: counter and whoops, you left a mark on the counter.
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Speaker 1: That's a tool mark.
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Speaker 5: Right, go ahead, that is a tool mark.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And so with if you're talking about an edged weapon,
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Speaker 5: and we're talking about stabbing here, okay, not a slashing,
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Speaker 5: but a stabbing where it passes, say, for instance, between
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Speaker 5: the ribs, you'll look for this little V shaped mark
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Speaker 5: on the leading or the upper lower edge of the rib.
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Speaker 5: All right, that could be possible. But if you go
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Speaker 5: into purely soft tissue, say if you twist the blade
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Speaker 5: and turn it so that goes in between the ribs,
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Speaker 5: there's a lesser of a probability you're going to see
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Speaker 5: that also, right, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Scott, let's just pretend for the moment that we're talking
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Speaker 1: to with Jerry. Okay, okay, So you're saying, in regular
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Speaker 1: people talk, if the knife or a bullet even hit
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Speaker 1: her bone, it would leave a tool mark. But if
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Speaker 1: the knife or the bullet went, for instance, through the ribs,
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Speaker 1: it would not leave a mark on the bones. It
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Speaker 1: would not leave a tool Okay.
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Speaker 5: And you mentioned bullet wounds just a moment ago. A
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Speaker 5: gunfire again, you know one of the areas that you're
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Speaker 5: going to be looking for here in particular are flat
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Speaker 5: bones like the sternum for instance, maybe the scapula, and
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Speaker 5: certainly the skull. The problem with these kinds of cases
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Speaker 5: is that the body is broken up into various elements,
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Speaker 5: very tiny elements. As a matter of fact, I'm hearing
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Speaker 5: probably a seventy five yard radius in this particular case,
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Speaker 5: so they're going to be dispersed. Hey taken, Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to interrup you're trying thought, but I
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Speaker 1: just want to give illustrations. Do you remember when Kelly Anthony,
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Speaker 1: two year old Kelly Anthony's body was found in that
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Speaker 1: swampy area about ten houses down from top mom Casey
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Speaker 1: Anthony's home. They worked through the night. They worked, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe two nights in a row. They had
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Speaker 1: a tent out there with bright light shining down trying
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Speaker 1: to find all of that little baby's bones, including like
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Speaker 1: tiny pieces of her finger. What do we have two
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Speaker 1: hundred and six bones in the human bodies? Yes, ye, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and for instance the finger that each finger breaks into
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Speaker 1: three pieces, I mean.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. The rule of thumb in forensic anthropology and recovery
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Speaker 5: is the smaller the bone, the less of the probability
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Speaker 5: is that you're going to recover it, because I know
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Speaker 5: the word that is hanging in everybody's mind right now
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Speaker 5: is going to be hyoid. And hyoid is one of
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Speaker 5: the most difficult bones to recover on a skeletal recovery.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you're this is crazy. That's what I was actually thinking.
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Speaker 1: Can you find the hyoid because earlier I said Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott's going to be more difficult with her. She's obviously skeletonized.
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Speaker 1: There's no flesh left on her. Uh probably hair, yes,
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Speaker 1: but without flesh you won't be able to tell if
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Speaker 1: pressure has been exerted on her throat. Therefore, you would
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Speaker 1: look to the hyoid bone, which is so fragile.
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Speaker 5: Yes, it is fragile. And you know, I know your
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Speaker 5: listeners are so bright, and you've probably said this before,
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Speaker 5: but it bears repeating. It's the only bone in the
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Speaker 5: human body that's not connected to another bone. It's the
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Speaker 5: only unarticulated bone hanging there. Yeah, and it's the only
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Speaker 5: purpose is to hold the tongue in place, and so
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Speaker 5: it's it's kind of free floating, if you will, particularly
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Speaker 5: in a skeletal state like this. The the only other
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Speaker 5: thing I can really think of that we haven't covered
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Speaker 5: is probably blunt force trauma. You really need to skull
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Speaker 5: for that. If she has sustained some kind of depressed
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Speaker 5: skull fracture, or even a skull fracture that's not associated
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Speaker 5: with a gunshot wound, you might be able to pick
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Speaker 5: up on that and it would still be visible to
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Speaker 5: that degree. I have a hard time imagining that there
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Speaker 5: would be any soft tissue and to that degree any
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Speaker 5: hair left after three years, but that remains to be seen.
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Speaker 5: It will be fascinating to find out as we go along.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious about so many things that you just said,
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Speaker 1: and I'm in agreement with everything you and Cheryl have
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Speaker 1: brought out to Lauren Sharff joining me. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Lauren Sharf TV, very well known journalist Lauren. Yes. No,
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Speaker 1: do we believe they found Suzanne's skull?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Why do you think that?
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Speaker 7: I believe that that's how they positively identified her from
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Speaker 7: her dentist records.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. Let's take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: one sixty KUSA.
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Speaker 12: It was an unrelated investigation that finally led deputies to
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Speaker 12: Suzanne Morphu's body in Sawach County tonight It's source familiar
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Speaker 12: with the investigation told my News they discovered skeletal remains
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Speaker 12: identified Suzanne based on dental records and her cancer port.
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Speaker 12: She disappeared from her home in Slida in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 12: Prosecutors eventually rested her husband, Barry Morphue, charged in with murder.
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Speaker 12: They dropped those charges last year, just nine days before
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Speaker 12: you said to go on trial. They said they wanted
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Speaker 12: to go to trial once they found Suzanne's body.
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Speaker 1: Of course, cases have been tried without a body. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen now, our cut a does his name Kelsey
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Speaker 1: Beareth ring a bell?
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Speaker 13: Frasey told him quote, I figured out a way to
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Speaker 13: kill her. No body, no crime. Right days after Kelsey
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Speaker 13: was reported missing, Frasey told More he didn't understand why
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Speaker 13: her disappearance was getting national attention. Moore also told the
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Speaker 13: court that Frasey said, man if I had known it
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Speaker 13: was going to blow up this big, I never would
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Speaker 13: have more, says Phrasey.
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Speaker 1: Never really finished that thought.
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Speaker 13: He also said, Phrasey never seemed concerned about Kelsey's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at KUSA, And as a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, that case was prosecuted successfully. Remember Kelsey bear
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Speaker 1: at the mom of one goes missing and of course
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Speaker 1: a name that everyone will recall, Kristen Smart take a listener.
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Speaker 14: Couldn't be as alleged that mister Flora has caused the
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Speaker 14: death of Kristen Smart while in the commission of or
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Speaker 14: attempted rape nobody. Homicides are obviously complicated and difficult, but
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Speaker 14: we don't make a decision to file unless we believe
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Speaker 14: we can prove the case. Now, we asked the DA
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Speaker 14: if he would seek out a plea deal or a
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Speaker 14: lighter sentence in exchange for information leading to Kristen's body,
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Speaker 14: but Dow says it's a little premature.
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Speaker 1: At this time. Another case successful without a body. Those
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Speaker 1: were our friends at Kate s b Y, so it
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Speaker 1: can be done. Back to the reason, the identification of
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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew's body Lauren Sharf is correct. The identification was
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Speaker 1: made through dental records, so we know that the skull
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Speaker 1: was recovered, but also her cancer port, which is heartbreaking
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Speaker 1: that this mom who had been valiantly fighting cancer a
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Speaker 1: recurrence of cancer was partially identified by her cancer port.
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Speaker 1: Tyson Draper joining me from the Tyson Draper Show on
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Speaker 1: TikTok Tyson Draper Show. Tyson, recall very distinctly when you
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Speaker 1: and I, Lauren, Cheryl McCollum, and others were tramping all
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Speaker 1: across the Salida area looking for clues, looking for answers reaction.
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Speaker 9: Well, the first thing I want to say, Nancy is
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Speaker 9: I am in total agreement with you on this being
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Speaker 9: divine intervention. And one of the highlights of that trip
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Speaker 9: of us, being all of us going up there to Colorado,
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Speaker 9: was when we formed a circle there and we all
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Speaker 9: joined hands and you had me say a prayer, and
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Speaker 9: we prayed specifically that day that we would find the
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Speaker 9: remains of Suzanne Morphew. And honestly, Nancy, as we were
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Speaker 9: standing there in that circle and you looked around in
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Speaker 9: this vast environment, we had mountains and trees and streams
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Speaker 9: and everything. Honestly, it was like a needle in a haystack.
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Speaker 9: And honestly my hopes were really thin at that time,
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Speaker 9: but I knew that God was in charge. And what
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Speaker 9: a wonderful, glorious day this is, you know.
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Speaker 1: Tyson, I know a lot of people don't understand that
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Speaker 1: what you said to us is so true. It is
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Speaker 1: a wonderful and a glory you stayed because at that moment,
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Speaker 1: when all of us were in a prayer circle, praying
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Speaker 1: for justice, praying that somehow her body would be found
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Speaker 1: because everything had failed up until that moment. You know,
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Speaker 1: we looked around and you're right, it was so vast
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Speaker 1: all the places where her body could be, and tick talk,
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Speaker 1: tick talk, As every moment passed, it would be less
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Speaker 1: likely she would be found. But that day, I remember
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Speaker 1: you asking, do you think they'll ever find her? I said, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they will find her. One day, they will find her.
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Speaker 5: YEP.
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Speaker 1: I thought it might be twenty twenty five years when
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Speaker 1: hunters were out hunting somewhere and they come across a
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Speaker 1: human bone. But I had no idea that it would
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Speaker 1: be this soon. Joining me right now, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, partner at Varner Fattus, elite legal, former felony prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Warnerfattus dot com ps. I
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Speaker 1: think your name should be first, Eric Fattus. Three years
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Speaker 1: or twenty years, It does make a difference with every day,
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Speaker 1: every minute that passes, And I've tried cases that are
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Speaker 1: very old. Before you lose witnesses, people's memories fade that's
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Speaker 1: why you got to write everything down, record every statement,
21:27
Speaker 1: every detail, every measurement, you name it. I remember one
21:30
Speaker 1: case I went to the scene, of course, Eric Fattus,
21:34
Speaker 1: it was a murder case. At that point, it was
21:36
Speaker 1: a suicide case. I was standing in the woman's room
21:40
Speaker 1: looking she was found dead, naked in her bed, ostensibly
21:46
Speaker 1: dead of a self inflicted gunshot. Would of course, I
21:48
Speaker 1: didn't believe that this lady killed herself, but naked in
21:54
Speaker 1: her bed. I did not believe that, just based on statistics.
21:57
Speaker 1: And I was watching the medical examiner, investigator's a whole
22:01
Speaker 1: different crew of investigators measuring how many inches away from
22:06
Speaker 1: the bed that spent shell was. And I was thinking,
22:11
Speaker 1: why why do they want to know that? Well, obviously
22:14
Speaker 1: because every detail matters, and it did matter, and by
22:18
Speaker 1: the way, she was murdered and it was proven at trial,
22:22
Speaker 1: Eric Fattis, three years seems like a long time, but
22:27
Speaker 1: in the world of criminal prosecution, it's not a long time.
22:30
Speaker 1: A conviction can be had.
22:32
Speaker 10: Oh heck, absolutely.
22:33
Speaker 9: But you know there are cases that are decades.
22:35
Speaker 11: Old that go to trial and in secure a conviction. Here,
22:38
Speaker 11: we're worth three years out and it's problematic for some reasons,
22:42
Speaker 11: you know, evidence of rhodes would we don't have the
22:44
Speaker 11: tissue to test to see if there is any sort
22:46
Speaker 11: of tranquilizer material as has been alleged against very Multy beforehand.
22:50
Speaker 11: But this is still a critical, critical piece of this prosecution.
22:54
Speaker 7: It was really the.
22:55
Speaker 11: Reason that law enforcement dismissed beforehand. Now that they've gone,
23:00
Speaker 11: I think it's without question they're going to refile this to.
23:05
Speaker 1: Wow, that was a mouthful, Eric Patterson. I mean that
23:07
Speaker 1: in a good way, A lot of information.
23:10
Speaker 8: Hey Nancy, can I jump back?
23:13
Speaker 1: Oh? Could I stop you?
23:14
Speaker 6: Well?
23:14
Speaker 8: You paint this picture too for people when you're looking at.
23:17
Speaker 1: Ua, Everybody get comfortable. She's gonna paint a picture. There's
23:22
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of brushstrokes. Go ahead.
23:24
Speaker 8: Was this a stranger or somebody that knew her? When
23:27
Speaker 8: you look at the amount of time this person spent,
23:31
Speaker 8: this killer went to her home, got her by her bicycle,
23:36
Speaker 8: got her helmet, put the bicycle in one place, drove
23:39
Speaker 8: her helmet to another place, drove her body to another place,
23:43
Speaker 8: attempted to bury her, then attempted to get rid of
23:46
Speaker 8: whatever instruments and tools that he used for that purpose.
23:51
Speaker 8: Does that sound like a stranger would go to that
23:53
Speaker 8: much trouble.
23:54
Speaker 1: Oh h a double l n oh. Lady Karen Stark
23:59
Speaker 1: joining me, renowned psychologists out of Manhattan, TV radio Trauma
24:04
Speaker 1: expert consultant at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a C.
24:08
Speaker 1: If you're trying to look her up, Karen Stark, she's
24:11
Speaker 1: so right on. He jumped ahead of me, Cheryl McCollum.
24:14
Speaker 1: But you're right. Everybody on this panel, jump in. We
24:18
Speaker 1: eat all of the brain power we can get. Come on, please,
24:23
Speaker 1: Karen Stark. I have investigated and prosecuted so many cases where,
24:27
Speaker 1: for instance, there's a burglary, the perp seize the homeowner,
24:31
Speaker 1: come in and go why are you in my home? Bam,
24:34
Speaker 1: shoot some and they run. There's no dragging the body
24:38
Speaker 1: forty miles away and burying it a shallow grave. There's
24:41
Speaker 1: no putting the helmet here and the bike here. Uh
24:45
Speaker 1: uh no. They want to high tail it and get
24:48
Speaker 1: away from that dead body as fast as they can.
24:51
Speaker 1: Only someone I believe connected to the victim is going
24:58
Speaker 1: to take the time to stay the saint and boy
25:01
Speaker 1: was this stage and there's no doubt in my mind, guys,
25:04
Speaker 1: this is a secondary at best crime, saying this is
25:07
Speaker 1: not where Suzanne Morphy was killed. Jump in care and
25:10
Speaker 1: start give me psychology behind all this staging of the scene.
25:14
Speaker 15: Well, shallow was brilliant because it's true that somebody who
25:19
Speaker 15: does not know her would never be able to go
25:23
Speaker 15: back spend that much time. It's such a risk, Nancy,
25:27
Speaker 15: find the bicycle, then the helmet go different places, and
25:30
Speaker 15: also to me that shallow grave in addition to the
25:34
Speaker 15: fact that it was hard to dig a grave. But
25:36
Speaker 15: it's the sign as somebody who could care less about
25:40
Speaker 15: what happened with that body in person. It's just let
25:44
Speaker 15: me just get rid of this as quickly as I
25:46
Speaker 15: can and get out of here.
25:48
Speaker 7: I am to make sure that it was actually Suzanne's
25:51
Speaker 7: bike and her helmet that they grabbed. Repeat, making sure
25:55
Speaker 7: that they grabbed the right bike as far as Suzanne's
25:58
Speaker 7: bike and her home.
26:01
Speaker 15: Hi, how would they know right?
26:03
Speaker 1: How many bikes were there? Lauren Sharf or Tyson Draper?
26:07
Speaker 9: Well, it's a great guestion. Well let me I'll just
26:10
Speaker 9: I want to remind everybody too, Nancy that this was
26:13
Speaker 9: a Sunday morning. This was this was Mother's Day, so
26:16
Speaker 9: you know Sundays are generally really quiet as well. And
26:19
Speaker 9: the population of Maysville, Colorado is one hundred and sixty
26:22
Speaker 9: seven people. So we're not talking about some metropolitan area
26:26
Speaker 9: that has tons and tons of people and tons of crime.
26:29
Speaker 9: This is a very isolated area. So you got to
26:33
Speaker 9: take all that into consideration as well.
26:35
Speaker 7: I mean, it just and it was COVID.
26:39
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, a lot of people were home.
26:41
Speaker 1: You are both exactly correct. Now you said it was
26:44
Speaker 1: Sunday morning. How do I know she wasn't killed Saturday night,
26:47
Speaker 1: Tyson Draper?
26:48
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I'm sure she was. We have a
26:52
Speaker 9: window of opportunity there that we've talked about now for years,
26:56
Speaker 9: and you know, it's just now. You know, when we
26:59
Speaker 9: were in LMA Entry School, we used to always do
27:01
Speaker 9: the connecting the dots, you know, and that's kind of
27:03
Speaker 9: what we've been doing the.
27:04
Speaker 10: Last three and a half years.
27:05
Speaker 9: And now we got this huge, you know, this huge
27:08
Speaker 9: piece of the puzzle here where we can start connecting
27:10
Speaker 9: these dots. And it's looking like we were right on
27:13
Speaker 9: track all along.
27:15
Speaker 1: Mike Hatzell joining me, you know his name, I'm sure
27:17
Speaker 1: you legal legals out there, President founder of Peace River
27:21
Speaker 1: K nine Search and Rescue online. You can find him
27:24
Speaker 1: at pr SAAR Peace Rever Search and Rescue dot org. Mike,
27:29
Speaker 1: how often do you find a body that's been in
27:32
Speaker 1: a shallow grave?
27:33
Speaker 10: Well, we find quite a few of them. And actually
27:37
Speaker 10: we should be thankful that he buried her because that
27:39
Speaker 10: preserved her for quite a while before the critters were
27:43
Speaker 10: able to get to her and scatter her remain So
27:47
Speaker 10: if they hadn't, the desert eats things up pretty quickly,
27:51
Speaker 10: so we would not have the success if it hadn't
27:54
Speaker 10: been for the guy burying her, whoever that was.
27:56
Speaker 1: So in the desert, there's rapid decomposure. And I'm going
27:59
Speaker 1: to go to you, Joe Scott, on why. But I
28:02
Speaker 1: want to point out to everybody, no one has been
28:05
Speaker 1: charged since, of course the charges were dropped against her
28:10
Speaker 1: husband bearing more few some time ago. No one is
28:13
Speaker 1: currently named a pay person of interest. Nobody has been arrested.
28:19
Speaker 1: Just want to put that out there. Nobody yet. Okay,
28:24
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, I want to follow up on what Mike
28:26
Speaker 1: Hatzel just said it and he's completely correct. I want
28:30
Speaker 1: you to hit me on how rapidly a body would
28:33
Speaker 1: decompose in the desert. Burying her in a shallow grave.
28:35
Speaker 1: Would that have slowed down the decomposure process. I have
28:42
Speaker 1: another question for you too about the staging. This is
28:45
Speaker 1: at least a secondary crime scene, not where she was killed,
28:48
Speaker 1: I don't believe anyway. And if the animals had torn
28:52
Speaker 1: her body apart, would they have torn apart her clothing
28:57
Speaker 1: as well? But when you expect to find her clothing
29:00
Speaker 1: within that seventy five yard radius.
29:02
Speaker 5: Yes, you do. It's that that happens quite a bit.
29:07
Speaker 5: And what's going to be really fascinating from a forensic standpoint, Nancy,
29:11
Speaker 5: when you talk about the breakdown of any kind of items,
29:16
Speaker 5: whether it's a body or clothing. You know, if she's
29:20
Speaker 5: going out for bike ride, commonly many people wear things
29:23
Speaker 5: that are synthetics, right, and synthetics can be more resilient
29:28
Speaker 5: many times in natural fibers, So it's possible that you can,
29:32
Speaker 5: you know, locate those and the disbursement pattern that you're
29:36
Speaker 5: talking about with the remains. One of the things that
29:38
Speaker 5: also happens is that if you have small burrowing animals
29:41
Speaker 5: that you know exist in this area, they'll actually take
29:45
Speaker 5: some of those items into their burrows. So there are
29:48
Speaker 5: times when you can go back and find even other
29:51
Speaker 5: things after the initial search of that area when you're
29:54
Speaker 5: going out and actually doing an excavation of the area.
29:57
Speaker 5: From a forensic anthropology standpoint, now, as to preservation, it's
30:03
Speaker 5: good and bad. In more arid climates, sometimes soft tissue
30:08
Speaker 5: will last a bit longer than it would say, down
30:11
Speaker 5: here in the South, certainly where I trained down in
30:13
Speaker 5: South Louisiana would However, the environment is very harsh, harsh hot.
30:20
Speaker 5: It is hot out there. You know, you don't deal
30:23
Speaker 5: with a lot of relative humidity. Many times depended upon
30:27
Speaker 5: the scavenger activity, those bits of soft tissue will go
30:32
Speaker 5: pretty quickly if they're not protected and being in a grave.
30:37
Speaker 5: I have to say that Mike is right on target
30:40
Speaker 5: here as opposed to just laying a body out on
30:44
Speaker 5: the ground, you have some level of protection. However, there
30:47
Speaker 5: would have been more protection if in fact you maybe
30:53
Speaker 5: maybe had gone deeper. I think, and I'll leave it
30:56
Speaker 5: at this one thing. I'd be fascinated to know Nancy,
31:00
Speaker 5: is the body shrouded in any way, because you know
31:02
Speaker 5: a lot of these cases we cover, where we have
31:04
Speaker 5: these clandestine graves, bodies will be wrapped in a plastic
31:09
Speaker 5: I've had shower curtains, trash bags, all these sorts of things,
31:12
Speaker 5: and that just further cocoons the body, and sometimes the
31:15
Speaker 5: critters will dig down into that area, rip the bags open,
31:18
Speaker 5: and get to the remain that is in there. That's
31:21
Speaker 5: going to be important to see if they recover any
31:23
Speaker 5: kind of plastic that's out on the scene, or anything
31:25
Speaker 5: even a cloth shroud that may have been used.
31:40
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I haven't heard anything, Lauren
31:50
Speaker 1: Shark about her body being wrapped or in any sort
31:54
Speaker 1: of a container. Example, JJ and Tyley, the victim of
32:00
Speaker 1: calt mom Laurie Vallei and her husband Chad Dave Bell.
32:03
Speaker 1: According to police, JJ's body was basically hermetically sealed, not
32:08
Speaker 1: so for Tyley. Any word on that that you've heard,
32:11
Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf or Tyson Draper.
32:13
Speaker 7: I haven't, Nancy, I have not heard anything.
32:16
Speaker 1: No, I haven't either. I think that would have somehow
32:21
Speaker 1: leaked out if she had been wrapped in a tarp
32:24
Speaker 1: or any other such enclosure. I understand, Lauren Sharp, you've
32:28
Speaker 1: spoken to her Sister's that truth I have.
32:31
Speaker 7: What did you learn when she first told me? You know,
32:35
Speaker 7: we both I was speechless, you know, she told me
32:40
Speaker 7: it was just we were both just overwhelmed with emotion.
32:44
Speaker 7: You know, the waterworks started and you know you're happy,
32:49
Speaker 7: but then also sad because then it brings up you
32:54
Speaker 7: know so much and it just it starts over for
32:59
Speaker 7: the family. I mean, I think one of the last
33:02
Speaker 7: press conferences the Barry Morphy's attorney gave was saying that
33:07
Speaker 7: the very and the daughters were just now kind of
33:11
Speaker 7: getting back to normal, and so I can't imagine what
33:15
Speaker 7: they're going through now.
33:18
Speaker 1: Why was a search crew in that area? Takelos Naur
33:22
Speaker 1: Cut one seven to three from CBS.
33:25
Speaker 16: They told us they weren't even actually looking for Suzanne
33:28
Speaker 16: when they found her body out there. They're looking for
33:30
Speaker 16: something completely different. But results from the Olpaso County Coroner's
33:34
Speaker 16: Office did come back positive today. They said that it
33:37
Speaker 16: is Suzanne's body. CBI is not saying a specific location
33:41
Speaker 16: of where they found her or what condition her body
33:43
Speaker 16: was in.
33:44
Speaker 3: CBI says investigators were searching near Moffitt for an unrelated
33:47
Speaker 3: investigation when they found those remains. That's northwest of the
33:51
Speaker 3: Great Sand Dunes. They have not said how she died,
33:54
Speaker 3: or released a cause of death, or really any other
33:57
Speaker 3: information about her. At this point, CBI says it has
34:00
Speaker 3: not made any arrests, but it's just the latest development
34:03
Speaker 3: in a very complicated case.
34:06
Speaker 1: Northwest of the Great Sand Dunes. Okay, to you, Tyson Draper,
34:12
Speaker 1: where's that? What does that mean?
34:14
Speaker 9: Well, what that means is just just on the outskirts
34:17
Speaker 9: of Salida. It's just it's where somebody would you know,
34:20
Speaker 9: drive and looking for a spot to go dump a body.
34:24
Speaker 9: It's very mountainous, it's very you know a lot of prairies,
34:28
Speaker 9: it's very isolated. So if something happened in Maysville or Salida,
34:34
Speaker 9: as we know it did, it would be the first
34:36
Speaker 9: place that somebody is trying to get outside of that area,
34:40
Speaker 9: you know, on the outskirts to hide a body. So
34:43
Speaker 9: it's not very far from Salida. It's just kind of
34:48
Speaker 9: over the mountain over the past there a little bit
34:50
Speaker 9: and it's just a small little town, Moffitt, that little
34:53
Speaker 9: area right there, you know, as you're heading back down
34:56
Speaker 9: towards Alamosa.
34:57
Speaker 1: Guys, I'm very curious to figure out how Barry Morphew
35:04
Speaker 1: is responding. Take a listen to our cut one seventy
35:06
Speaker 1: Fox thirty one.
35:07
Speaker 4: The more Few family releasing a statement through their attorney
35:10
Speaker 4: just moments ago, saying, in part, Barry is with his daughters,
35:14
Speaker 4: and they are all struggling with immense shock and grief
35:18
Speaker 4: after learning today that their mother and wife, whom they
35:20
Speaker 4: deeply love, was found deceased. They had faith that their
35:24
Speaker 4: wife and mom would walk back into their lives again.
35:26
Speaker 4: The news is heartbreaking. They go on to say, neither
35:30
Speaker 4: the DA nor the authorities notified Mallory and Macy Moorephew,
35:34
Speaker 4: those are the daughters about the recovery of their mom.
35:38
Speaker 1: So they believed that she would walk back into their
35:42
Speaker 1: lives again. Tyson Draper questioned to you, maybe I'm wrong.
35:49
Speaker 1: Did Barry Morphew move I'm pretty sure he very quickly
35:55
Speaker 1: sold the home that they shared together. Did he move
36:00
Speaker 1: all of her assets into his name?
36:02
Speaker 9: Yes?
36:03
Speaker 11: Yeah?
36:03
Speaker 9: And that you know that statement that you made again
36:05
Speaker 9: there and you made it at the top of the
36:07
Speaker 9: hour two here is is that Barry and the family,
36:11
Speaker 9: you know, we're kind of like Motel six, like you,
36:13
Speaker 9: We're going to leave the light on for you, you know,
36:15
Speaker 9: wait for Susanne to return. But Mike, you know what
36:19
Speaker 9: I've viewed is that that wasn't the case at all.
36:21
Speaker 9: Barry was in a hurry to sell all the assets,
36:25
Speaker 9: to sell the home, to sell her cars, to sell everything.
36:29
Speaker 9: And then not only that, but he got as we
36:32
Speaker 9: all know, he got a girlfriend shortly thereafter as well.
36:36
Speaker 9: So if they're expecting Suzanne Murphy to come walking through
36:39
Speaker 9: that door, why did all of this happen? Why we
36:42
Speaker 9: very actions don't line up with his words here.
36:46
Speaker 7: And remember that less than a month after Suzanne went missing,
36:51
Speaker 7: he filed for guardianship, which really rubbed her family the
36:55
Speaker 7: wrong way because they believed she was just missing.
36:58
Speaker 1: Guardianship exploring guardianship of Suzanne, so for her assets, for you.
37:04
Speaker 7: Know, selling the home in Indiana that they had left
37:07
Speaker 7: so that they could get the money from the sale.
37:12
Speaker 1: So this is for a person that believes his wife
37:15
Speaker 1: is going to walk right back through the door. Does
37:18
Speaker 1: anybody remember Scott Peterson? And again, Barry Morphew has not
37:23
Speaker 1: been recharged, he's not been named a person of interest,
37:25
Speaker 1: he's not been arrested, nothing like that, Karen Start, Do
37:29
Speaker 1: you remember that immediately when Lacey went missing, he let's say,
37:35
Speaker 1: sold her vehicle, He immediately ordered the porn channel, all
37:41
Speaker 1: sorts of expenditures and actions he would never have taken
37:47
Speaker 1: if he really thought she was about to walk back
37:49
Speaker 1: through the door.
37:50
Speaker 15: That's why he was so unbelievable and unsympathetic Manson, because
37:54
Speaker 15: he absolutely went and started his life again and acted
37:59
Speaker 15: very clear as though he didn't expect her to come back.
38:02
Speaker 15: So when I think about children, they would keep wondering
38:07
Speaker 15: and hoping and thinking that their mind would come back
38:10
Speaker 15: and it would be much better for them to know
38:13
Speaker 15: that she was found and have closure. But I don't
38:16
Speaker 15: get that he felt that way at all, because that
38:20
Speaker 15: is not how he proceeded with his life right away.
38:23
Speaker 15: A month, that's no time.
38:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, question on that, Tyson Draper. How quickly did the
38:28
Speaker 1: girlfriend emerge?
38:29
Speaker 9: Oh, it was shortly after Susan went missing. I would
38:32
Speaker 9: say with Anny, what do you.
38:33
Speaker 1: Mean shortly a week, two weeks, a month, a year, I.
38:36
Speaker 9: Would say a couple, couple of months, maybe a month
38:38
Speaker 9: and a half somewhere around there.
38:40
Speaker 1: Eric fattis high profile lawyer joining US former prosecutor. That's
38:45
Speaker 1: never a good look.
38:48
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I mean, that's that's surely problematic. And you
38:51
Speaker 11: know one thing that's going to come up to there.
38:53
Speaker 11: He's been talking about the media about this case. Even
38:56
Speaker 11: since it began. And so the jury, if he is recharge,
39:00
Speaker 11: which he hasn't been yet, is going to hear about
39:03
Speaker 11: all of these inconsistent statements and how they don't really
39:05
Speaker 11: align with Susan's body being found. So I think it's
39:09
Speaker 11: really a tremendous development of the case.
39:10
Speaker 9: Legally, I think a.
39:11
Speaker 1: Lot's going to write on whether we can find out
39:15
Speaker 1: what clothing, if any, she had on at the time
39:19
Speaker 1: her body was disposed in that desert area near the
39:23
Speaker 1: Great Dunes. For right now, let's just take the miracle
39:29
Speaker 1: that's dropped in her lapse. Susanne Morphew has been found.
39:35
Speaker 1: Now let's seek justice. Goodbye friend,