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Evidence Destroyed: Liz Collin on the Hidden Autopsy That Could Free Derek Chauvin · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this the other day, Derek Chauvin, the former
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Speaker 1: police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota, once the charges dropped, I
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Speaker 1: guess he thinks he's got enough information to get something
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Speaker 1: going where he thinks he should be freed. Now we've
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Speaker 1: talked about this a lot since George Floyd died. And
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Speaker 1: what we found out is that the medical examiner kind
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Speaker 1: of agrees with Chauvin. If you're going to take the
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Speaker 1: actual paperwork that came and then there's this young lady,
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Speaker 1: Liz Collin, Alpha News, of course, go follow Liz everywhere. Liz,
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Speaker 1: how are you? First of all, you're good.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Joe. How are you? Good to see
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Speaker 2: you again. It's been a minute.
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Speaker 1: It has been a minute, and I appreciate you taking
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Speaker 1: time out of your busy schedule. Derek Chauvin wants out. Now,
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Speaker 1: we've all seen the video. Then when we saw the
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Speaker 1: actual body cam that should have been released immediately, we
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Speaker 1: saw a very different story. We know the medical examiner's
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Speaker 1: report shows a ton of fentanyl in George Floyd's system.
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Speaker 1: We know that Floyd was in the car, wanted to
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Speaker 1: get out of the car, get out of the car.
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Speaker 1: Chauvin said he had his knee on his back. Somebody
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Speaker 1: said it was on his neck. What do we know
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Speaker 1: right now? Let's forget what Derek Chauvin wants, because we'll
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Speaker 1: get into that in earnest in a second. But you
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Speaker 1: as the investigative journalist that broke most of this, what
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Speaker 1: do we know? What killed George Floyd? Do we definitively know?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. You have, and I know
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Speaker 3: we're going to get into these significant developments. I actually
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Speaker 3: think they're the most significant, frankly, in years in covering
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Speaker 3: this case.
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Speaker 2: But you have... Within 12 hours of.
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Speaker 3: George Floyd's death, the medical examiner in this case, the
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Speaker 3: Hennepin County medical examiner, Dr. Andrew Baker, who says that
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Speaker 3: George Floyd died of cardiopulmonary arrest. That means he died
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Speaker 3: of a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: That is something that that was done within 12 hours
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Speaker 3: rather than release that to the public, that autopsy, the
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Speaker 3: official autopsy report. What you have happen is several days pass,
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Speaker 3: five days pass, and that autopsy is released on the
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Speaker 3: same day as George Floyd's family releases their autopsy, the
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Speaker 3: autopsy that they hired these outside medical experts to conduct.
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Speaker 2: But keep in mind, Dr.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Baker is the only doctor to ever do an
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Speaker 3: actual official autopsy to have basically the body of George
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Speaker 3: Floyd to take a look at, and he died of
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Speaker 3: a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this then. How exactly do
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Speaker 1: you convict a guy of killing him, cutting off the airway,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, knee to the neck, if he died
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Speaker 1: of a heart attack? How do you make that correlation
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Speaker 1: if you're convicting him in a courtroom?
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Speaker 3: Not only does cardiopulmonary arrest appear first in the autopsy,
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Speaker 3: also you have no asphyxiation. No life-threatening injuries. That all
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Speaker 3: is included in that official autopsy, again, within 12 hours
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Speaker 3: of George Floyd's death.
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Speaker 2: So that is a very good question.
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Speaker 3: And I think these developments that took place last week
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Speaker 3: in this court filing, Joe, shed some more light about
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Speaker 3: what was going on behind the scenes. And basically now
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Speaker 3: you have Chauvin's new attorney, Greg Joseph is his name,
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Speaker 3: calling these charges illegal and essentially Derek Chauvin's trial a fraud.
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Speaker 1: Wow. It is Liz Collin. Go and check out Alpha News.
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Speaker 1: Go follow them right now. But what is the actual website?
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Speaker 1: I want them to follow you on X, but what
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Speaker 1: is the actual website? Is it alphanews.com?
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Speaker 3: Alphanews.org, and you can also go to thefallofminneapolis.com for the
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Speaker 3: very latest on this case as well.
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Speaker 1: Got to go and check that out. What were the
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Speaker 1: revelations last week that made everybody go, oh, uh-oh, this
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Speaker 1: is going to be a problem?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I do think it's very revealing and
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Speaker 3: it doesn't just affect Derek Chauvin's case here, Joe. So
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Speaker 3: now we have the ball back in the hands of
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Speaker 3: the Hennepin County court system with this brand new petition.
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Speaker 3: It's the third post-conviction relief petition filed now, but not
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Speaker 3: just about Chauvin. This is about Tu Tao, Alex King,
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Speaker 3: Thomas Lane. Again, this is all supposed to be on
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Speaker 3: Derek Chauvin, but it's four cops at the end of
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Speaker 3: the day that were there that day, May 25th, 2020,
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Speaker 3: for this so-called murder of George Floyd. But we've also
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Speaker 3: found this same charging decision was made in connection to
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Speaker 3: at least 10 other cases in Minnesota, I think people
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Speaker 3: might be listening and wondering, gosh, how are they charging
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Speaker 3: all these cops in Minnesota? It's been happening at a
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Speaker 3: rapid clip ever since Attorney General Keith Ellison kind of
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Speaker 3: took over as the AG. And this sheds some light
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Speaker 3: on this. So basically what you have happened, Hennepin County
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Speaker 3: prosecutors back then after May 25th, 2020, they say that
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Speaker 3: they cannot find enough evidence to charge the three other
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Speaker 3: cops at all. They're not comfortable charging those three other officers.
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Speaker 3: And they don't support charging Derek Chauvin with this most
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Speaker 3: serious charge, second-degree murder. This is when you have Governor
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Speaker 3: Tim Walz insert himself. He takes the case and then
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Speaker 3: gives it to the Attorney General, Keith Ellison. Now, what's
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Speaker 3: interesting is under state law, that is not allowed to happen.
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Speaker 3: You basically have to have this in writing that this
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Speaker 3: case is going to be transferred.
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Speaker 2: That didn't happen.
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Speaker 3: And also under state law, you have to have a
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Speaker 3: grand jury indict Chauvin.
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Speaker 2: That did not happen.
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Speaker 3: It's the attorney general who just days later then charges
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Speaker 3: him with second degree murder.
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Speaker 2: Again, the most serious here.
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Speaker 3: And again, according to state law, you have to have
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Speaker 3: a grand jury do that indictment.
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Speaker 2: And we found in.
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Speaker 3: Many other cases involving police officers, that also did not
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Speaker 3: happen in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: I want those watching and listening to understand that, that
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Speaker 1: this case was a case that blew up like this
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Speaker 1: because you've got an attorney general, Keith Ellison, who is anti-cop.
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Speaker 1: He is pro-Antifa. I'm not being insulting. He's literally anti-cop.
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Speaker 1: He's the same guy that was on a conference video
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Speaker 1: that you probably have seen with Karen Bass and somebody else,
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Speaker 1: where he literally says, if the person who was raped
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the suspect there anymore, the rapist is already gone,
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Speaker 1: they should call a counselor, not a police officer. This
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Speaker 1: is that same guy who held that Antifa pamphlet. This
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Speaker 1: is the same guy whose son was on the city
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Speaker 1: council as they stripped money away from policing in Minneapolis.
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Speaker 1: So this is a guy we know is historically anti-cop.
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Speaker 1: Most people around the country that are watching and listening
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Speaker 1: to Liz had no idea it went beyond Derek Chauvin
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Speaker 1: and the three other cops that were there that day.
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Speaker 1: He's been systematically going after police officers?
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Speaker 3: Yes, and in fact, this very situation here, Joe, was
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Speaker 3: argued in a case that the charges were dropped against
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Speaker 3: a Minnesota state trooper. Just recently, somebody discovered a grand
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Speaker 3: jury was not used.
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Speaker 2: And guess what?
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Speaker 3: This was a Minnesota state trooper, again, charged with murder
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Speaker 3: in Minnesota, and the charges were dropped. And that was
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Speaker 3: Mary Moriarty leading that prosecution. But this, again, according to
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Speaker 3: state law, has to go to a grand jury. So
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Speaker 3: keep in mind, Joe, this grand jury, in theory, would
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Speaker 3: have been able to see the evidence here, the maximal
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Speaker 3: restraint technique, the MRT, the trained MPD technique, all of
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Speaker 3: the body camera footage that was kept from the public
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Speaker 3: for two and a half months. If you remember, there's
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Speaker 3: a reason we were only allowed to see that viral
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Speaker 3: cell phone video, despite all four officers having their body
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Speaker 3: cameras on that day. You would have seen Thomas Lane
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Speaker 3: calling for an ambulance. That happened 36 seconds after George
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Speaker 3: Floyd himself asked to be laid on the ground. How
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Speaker 3: Floyd was talking about how he couldn't breathe before Chauvin.
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Speaker 2: Is even there.
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Speaker 3: But instead, as Chauvin's new attorney here, Greg Joseph, lays out, instead,
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Speaker 3: this is a show trial that follows. They're very selective.
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Speaker 3: In fact, if you remember, MRT was not allowed- in
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Speaker 3: Derek Chauvin's trial. They said, oh, you know, they can't
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Speaker 3: prove that he took part in the latest training that
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Speaker 3: an MP did on MRT, so that's not allowed. You
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Speaker 3: also have a witness who, it appears, perjured herself in
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Speaker 3: Chauvin's trial when she said she did not recognize the
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Speaker 3: technique that Chauvin was using. So, you know, just reading
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Speaker 3: one clip here, short from the petition, the political fruits
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Speaker 3: of this unlawful prosecution are have shaped the trajectory of
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Speaker 3: this state and the world. So those words appear in
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Speaker 3: this new petition, Joe.
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Speaker 1: If they were to get, I know that he wants
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Speaker 1: the convictions thrown out. I don't know that he's going
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Speaker 1: to get that, but he may get an appeal. I
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Speaker 1: guess you would have to throw out the convictions to
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Speaker 1: get the appeal. But if that were to happen, what
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Speaker 1: would happen to the streets of Minneapolis? And let me
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Speaker 1: give you a quick example of why I'm asking this.
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Speaker 1: There were rumors, and we don't have this on hard copy,
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Speaker 1: but it's been backed up by several sources. that Chief
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Speaker 1: Justice John Roberts said, we can't do anything about 2020.
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Speaker 1: We can't take these cases. If we do, we'll have
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Speaker 1: riots in the street. Allegedly, that was said. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's true or not, but it feels kind
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Speaker 1: of right. Is there pressure on the judicial branch, the judiciary,
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Speaker 1: I should say, in Minnesota to not listen to Derek
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Speaker 1: Chauvin's appeal? They already, according to you, incorrectly and illegally
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Speaker 1: didn't have a grand jury incorrectly and illegally handed to
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Speaker 1: the attorney general. So already on those two alone, they
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Speaker 1: could throw out the conviction and, and he could go
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Speaker 1: up for trial again. But if they were to say, yes,
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Speaker 1: we're going to throw out the convictions and do the appeal.
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Speaker 1: Would there be a fear of that decision that the
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Speaker 1: streets would burn again?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've been saying for years that somebody needs
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Speaker 3: to have moral courage in Minnesota to do the right,
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Speaker 3: right thing here. And you see what they're trying to
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Speaker 3: do is attack the state charges for really first. Again,
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Speaker 3: people just say, you know, why can't President Trump just
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Speaker 3: issue a pardon here?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not that easy.
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Speaker 3: That would take care of this federal sentence, but that's
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Speaker 3: running concurrently with the state sentence. So in theory, they
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Speaker 3: don't want him to be moved back here to a prison.
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Speaker 3: It's hard for me to predict what would happen in Minnesota. Frankly,
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Speaker 3: if I was able to do that, maybe I would move.
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Speaker 3: But no, I'm still here. And it's hard to say,
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Speaker 3: but I do think that I've just heard through through
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Speaker 3: the work that we've done over at Alpha News, just
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Speaker 3: trying to bring more of this truth to light, that
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Speaker 3: if the truth was told about this in a way
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Speaker 3: that that made sense, in a way that they showed
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Speaker 3: that the video and actually walked through what the officers
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Speaker 3: were doing, rather than using this very dangerous and divisive
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Speaker 3: racial narrative that is just not backed up by fact
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Speaker 3: at all in this case that I think people. would
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Speaker 3: clearly understand what was going on here. Frankly, I still
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Speaker 3: hear from people daily who see the documentary and say, gosh,
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Speaker 3: I just wish that the truth was told about this
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Speaker 3: from the very beginning. And I would have felt a
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Speaker 3: completely different way about all of this. So I'm still
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Speaker 3: hopeful that common sense and frankly, justice. real justice will prevail.
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Speaker 1: Alphanews.org, go and follow them over on X. Go follow
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Speaker 1: Liz specifically on X as well. She is Liz Collin
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Speaker 1: from Alphanews. What jumped out at me originally is what
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Speaker 1: you just said. There seriously, absolutely was no racial component.
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Speaker 1: There were other black people in the car that weren't touched.
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Speaker 1: If there were a racial component, they all would have been,
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Speaker 1: you know, knees on their neck. They all would be dead.
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Speaker 1: That didn't happen. And not releasing the body cam is
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Speaker 1: so nefarious and so purposeful for exactly what they were
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Speaker 1: trying to do. I don't think they set up the
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Speaker 1: George Floyd situation that day, but it didn't take them
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Speaker 1: but two seconds, Liz, to say, this is the one
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Speaker 1: we can use to change the state forever. Were they
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Speaker 1: successful or is the state going to bounce back from
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Speaker 1: this ever?
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Speaker 3: I mean, the state has been changed. There is there
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Speaker 3: is no doubt about that. And again, you have the
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Speaker 3: perfect people in the perfect places in positions for that
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Speaker 3: to play out, whether it's Governor Walz, whether it is
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Speaker 3: Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, whether it is the attorney general,
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Speaker 3: Keith Ellison. Just another line from that petition, Joe, because
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Speaker 3: Hennepin County's unlawful charges against Mr.
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Speaker 2: Chauvin.
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Speaker 3: Were not severe enough for the mob, Walls referred the
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Speaker 3: case to Keith Ellison, who signed and e-filed a second
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Speaker 3: unfounded complaint against Derek Chauvin that included the murder charge
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Speaker 3: it wanted. So again, the mob is even mentioned in
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Speaker 3: so many of the court documents here.
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Speaker 2: So what does that tell you?
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Speaker 1: Well, when do we get a result? When do we
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Speaker 1: get an answer? Do they have a certain amount of
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Speaker 1: time to say yes or no to the petition?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this judge, Paul Scoggin, is his name, the
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Speaker 3: Hennepin County judge. He has 45 days to reply to
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Speaker 3: this petition. And, you know, he has already denied some
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Speaker 3: petitions in the past. This thing could, frankly, go all
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Speaker 3: the way to the U.S.
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court. We are doing more stories in.
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Speaker 3: The days ahead at Alpha News to shed more light
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Speaker 3: on what's been happening to law enforcement in these other
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Speaker 3: cases as well that I think will be pretty enlightening
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Speaker 3: for folks to follow.
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Speaker 1: Did all the businesses come back, Liz? I know there
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Speaker 1: was a fear initially, and there was hundreds, if not
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Speaker 1: thousands of businesses that were burned to the ground or
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Speaker 1: either scared out of town. Have they come back? Are
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Speaker 1: people feeling safer coming back? Or is it still sort
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Speaker 1: of a ghost town when it comes to the necessities
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Speaker 1: and the normal businesses you would see in a metropolitan area?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say absolutely. It's been changed forever. No,
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Speaker 3: they have not come back. In fact, I think things
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Speaker 3: can continue, sadly, to get worse. I mean, if people
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Speaker 3: are following news out of Minneapolis, I think it's been
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Speaker 3: Well over now 200 windows smashed just within the last
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Speaker 3: few days of cars just randomly on the streets of Minneapolis.
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Speaker 3: And we continue to do interviews over at Alpha News
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Speaker 3: with Minneapolis business owners leaving, fleeing the city. So frustrated
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Speaker 3: with what they're seeing on a daily basis. Just a
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Speaker 3: gal last week I was talking to, she described what
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Speaker 3: sounded to me like a third world country. And this
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Speaker 3: is in the very popular uptown area.
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Speaker 2: In Minneapolis. So no, I think that the city is
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Speaker 2: forever changed from these lies.
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Speaker 1: Beijing Tim. I don't know if people call him Tampon
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Speaker 1: Tim and everything else. Minnesota Mao. That's a new one
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Speaker 1: that I've seen. This guy, I believe, is an actor.
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Speaker 1: And here's what I mean. He's from Nebraska, pretended he
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Speaker 1: was in a certain level in the armed forces, pretended
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Speaker 1: he carried weapons of war in war, went to China
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Speaker 1: in an inordinate amount of times. I've gone once to
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Speaker 1: adopt my daughter, Gia, have never been back after 15,
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Speaker 1: 16 years, don't care to go back. Tim Wall seemed
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Speaker 1: to go there all the time. I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: Have you been able to, through your investigative reporting, find
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Speaker 1: out what the real connection is there? Is there something
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Speaker 1: there with Tim Walls who puts on this folksy Minnesota accent?
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Speaker 1: He's just a lumberjack. You know, he tries to be
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Speaker 1: this guy that he's not. He really appears to me,
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Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, not good connection with China.
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Speaker 1: It's unusual, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 3: It's actually the subject of our latest documentary over at
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Speaker 3: Alpha News, minnesotamao.com, minnesotamao.com. And you can hear from someone
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Speaker 3: who accompanied Tim Walz to China. So again, it's 20
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Speaker 3: or 30 times. They came out and said 30 times
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Speaker 3: that he traveled there. He said, no, no, just a
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Speaker 3: little bit over 20. Either way, that is a very
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Speaker 3: important amount of time to be traveling to China. But
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Speaker 3: there is so much in that documentary about so much
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Speaker 3: of that Maoism that And really, you know, the communism
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Speaker 3: that we've seen throughout the state of Minnesota, these ideologies, frankly,
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Speaker 3: that it seems that the governor has embraced. And I
14:32
Speaker 3: think that we've documented we're one of the very few
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Speaker 3: media sources in Minnesota to document his lies for years, frankly.
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Speaker 3: And the national media finally shed some light on that
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Speaker 3: when he was the VP pick for Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: So it's hard to say.
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Speaker 3: At one point, the DOJ, they seemed very focused on
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Speaker 3: to the wayside. And perhaps that's why he stopped running
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Speaker 3: for a third term here in Minnesota. And I think
14:59
Speaker 3: there's a reason for that as well. And that's why
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Speaker 3: Amy Klobuchar has taken his place.
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16:38
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Speaker 1: was really going on with the poverty and everything else.
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Speaker 1: I can imagine that if you're going to go 20,
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Speaker 1: 30 plus times, they know exactly that you're going again.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like Walls does. Do you expose all of that?
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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
17:05
Speaker 3: In fact, you hear from folks who see him collecting
17:09
Speaker 3: these little red books. They talk about how he can't
17:11
Speaker 3: get enough of them, that he's collecting dozens and dozens
17:16
Speaker 3: of them.
17:17
Speaker 2: And that's in the documentary as well.
17:20
Speaker 3: And in fact, Governor Walz has never really said anything
17:23
Speaker 3: negative about China.
17:25
Speaker 2: That's difficult to find.
17:27
Speaker 3: Even in early newspaper clippings back from his time in Nebraska,
17:30
Speaker 3: he talks about how he's never been treated better. And
17:33
Speaker 3: it's just incredible the hosts that they are to keep
17:36
Speaker 3: him coming back. And he's sort of just given all
17:40
Speaker 3: kinds of souvenirs and free travel. And he talks about
17:44
Speaker 3: that very openly in those early days in Nebraska. And
17:47
Speaker 3: then as he ascends kind of to his congressional seat
17:53
Speaker 3: there in Mankato, that kind of goes quiet. But what's
17:56
Speaker 3: interesting is kind of the outside money that has poured
17:58
Speaker 3: into his races over the years that nobody seems to
18:02
Speaker 3: have been able to trace as well. And we've done
18:04
Speaker 3: some of that reporting over at Alpha News too.
18:07
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18:14
Speaker 1: over on X and elsewhere. Amy Klobuchar is from there, right?
18:18
Speaker 1: So she is Minnesota Amy. She is, some have told me,
18:21
Speaker 1: a favorite daughter, even though she's just about as radical
18:24
Speaker 1: as Walls. But she's also the woman that'll drink a
18:27
Speaker 1: beer at 6 a.m. at the Minnesota State Fair. So
18:29
Speaker 1: she's sort of like next door neighbor Amy. How dangerous
18:32
Speaker 1: is it if she becomes the governor? Is she as
18:34
Speaker 1: radical as Walz is?
18:38
Speaker 3: You know, for my time as a reporter in Minnesota,
18:40
Speaker 3: more than 20 years now, I've actually interviewed Senator Klobuchar
18:43
Speaker 3: several times. Back when I was in the mainstream media
18:45
Speaker 3: and she would talk to me, now I kind of
18:47
Speaker 3: get a no comment if we reach out on stories. Right.
18:51
Speaker 3: But she's been very quiet on the fraud situation. In fact,
18:55
Speaker 3: I think there was some some work done that she
18:57
Speaker 3: has not issued one single press release about fraud in
19:01
Speaker 3: her time as a U.S.
19:03
Speaker 2: Senator.
19:03
Speaker 3: So so it's tough because I do feel there's this
19:06
Speaker 3: groundswell that they want a change. And you see Amy
19:09
Speaker 3: distancing herself certainly from walls even during the primaries.
19:14
Speaker 2: Interesting.
19:14
Speaker 3: I think, you know, you probably saw the video, Joe.
19:16
Speaker 3: He was golfing in Canada, essentially there on the border.
19:21
Speaker 3: which was really quite entertaining, but staying as far away
19:24
Speaker 3: as possible. And I'm guessing that is on purpose that
19:28
Speaker 3: Senator Klobuchar does not want to be seen with him.
19:31
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
19:32
Speaker 3: I mean, she has not, you know, stepped in on
19:36
Speaker 3: so many subjects and so much has been allowed to
19:38
Speaker 3: happen here. And she's been a senator the entire time.
19:41
Speaker 3: So I don't know how you could really expect anything
19:45
Speaker 3: much different under her leadership as well.
19:47
Speaker 1: Will they debate? Is it, is it to move? How
19:49
Speaker 1: does she pronounce her name? Lisa Demuth? How does she
19:51
Speaker 1: say it?
19:52
Speaker 3: Damoth.
19:53
Speaker 1: Yep. Damoth. Okay. So, all right. So will they debate?
19:56
Speaker 1: And in the debate, one would assume that the fraud
19:58
Speaker 1: has to be brought up and I don't even know
19:59
Speaker 1: what the number of the fraud is. I'll ask you
20:00
Speaker 1: that in a second. So I think the first time
20:02
Speaker 1: we spoke, it was eight or 9 billion. Now it
20:03
Speaker 1: might be $ 18 billion. I have no idea how many
20:05
Speaker 1: billion dollars in fraud there is out of Minnesota. But,
20:08
Speaker 1: I mean, she'll have to address that at some point, no?
20:10
Speaker 1: The people of Minnesota, I would guess, want a governor
20:12
Speaker 1: that will stop the fraud.
20:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, to me, that seems to be the
20:17
Speaker 3: number one issue that we hear about on a daily basis.
20:21
Speaker 3: And it seems that the polling reflects that as well,
20:24
Speaker 3: that fraud is such a big issue. I think they
20:27
Speaker 3: both kind of said individually that they will debate. There
20:29
Speaker 3: has been nothing planned. There's nothing on the calendar as
20:31
Speaker 3: far as we're aware just yet. But you see Senator
20:36
Speaker 3: Klobuchar is clearly doing a lot of touring of the state,
20:40
Speaker 3: going to a lot of small towns and doing photo
20:43
Speaker 3: ops and whatnot. But yeah, keeping her distance really from
20:50
Speaker 3: Governor Walz, that's for sure that the state fair That
20:52
Speaker 3: starts tomorrow, Thursday here, and we expect that we will
20:57
Speaker 3: be in full campaign swing by then, and we'll see
21:01
Speaker 3: her there as well.
21:04
Speaker 2: And Lisa Damoth, no stranger to any of this either.
21:06
Speaker 3: She's the House Speaker in Minnesota, but just offering something different,
21:11
Speaker 3: which it seems a lot of people are ready for.
21:14
Speaker 1: Will Amy Klobuchar drink a beer and have fried ice
21:17
Speaker 1: cream tomorrow? She's just as normal. I'm a Minnesotan. Watch
21:21
Speaker 1: this at 6 a.m. Is there anything to, please tell
21:26
Speaker 1: me there's nothing to this, that Klobuchar, should she win,
21:29
Speaker 1: God forbid, could then appoint Walz to her Senate seat?
21:33
Speaker 1: That can't happen, can it?
21:35
Speaker 2: Well, technically, yes, it can. But this is what I
21:37
Speaker 2: think is interesting.
21:38
Speaker 3: We've been hearing some rumblings that Walz is moving out
21:41
Speaker 3: of the state of Minnesota.
21:43
Speaker 2: Some states don't want him, from what we've also heard.
21:46
Speaker 2: I would guess, yeah. Around here.
21:48
Speaker 3: But it's kind of this cozy relationship now, it seems like,
21:52
Speaker 3: with Angie Craig.
21:54
Speaker 2: She lost.
21:56
Speaker 3: Congresswoman Angie Craig lost to Peggy Flanagan for that Senate
22:00
Speaker 3: seat that Tina Smith is vacating. So the thought is
22:04
Speaker 3: perhaps it could go to Angie Craig. Our Secretary of State,
22:08
Speaker 3: Steve Simon, I know is another name that's kind of
22:11
Speaker 3: in the running. So Wallace has kind of said that
22:14
Speaker 3: he's done with politics, but he's said a lot of
22:16
Speaker 3: things before that are not true. So it's difficult to say.
22:20
Speaker 1: He'll be done if he's in prison. We'll see if
22:21
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22:24
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22:31
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22:34
Speaker 1: kids with a knife on it. She puts on a
22:36
Speaker 1: burka and a hijab when she feels like it. She's
22:39
Speaker 1: just sort of like this nut job person. What's going
22:42
Speaker 1: to happen between her and Michelle Tafoya? Is that a
22:45
Speaker 1: real chance for a Republican to win that seat?
22:48
Speaker 2: Oh, I think so. Absolutely.
22:50
Speaker 3: They're seeing the best chance in nearly two decades here
22:52
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22:56
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22:59
Speaker 2: That's for sure. If you head actually over to alphanews.org,
23:02
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23:02
Speaker 3: A long list of different stories we've done on Peggy
23:06
Speaker 3: Flanagan and her radical stances. And in fact, sometimes more
23:09
Speaker 3: radical than Tim Walz, at least publicly. And she actually
23:13
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23:16
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23:20
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23:23
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23:27
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23:30
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23:35
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23:35
Speaker 1: I don't get it. What is her background? Is she
23:37
Speaker 1: from Minnesota? How did she get so radical?
23:41
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23:46
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23:49
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23:50
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23:52
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23:55
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it kind of became her thing when
23:58
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24:01
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24:04
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24:05
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24:07
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25:33
Speaker 1: Let me ask you directly. Do we know how much
25:36
Speaker 1: fraud there is? Because I believe you said 9 billion once.
25:39
Speaker 1: Then we heard it might be double that. Do we
25:41
Speaker 1: have a number or is it so big we don't
25:42
Speaker 1: know yet?
25:44
Speaker 3: You know, and I should mention, too, before we move
25:45
Speaker 3: on to fraud, Peggy Flanagan is the current lieutenant governor.
25:48
Speaker 3: So this is the number two of Governor Wallace.
25:51
Speaker 1: So she's on the hook, too. If this fraud starts
25:54
Speaker 1: from the top down, she could be implicated, too. How
25:56
Speaker 1: much is it? Do we know?
25:58
Speaker 3: Well, so that number, 9 billion, seems to be substantiated
26:02
Speaker 3: very clearly. Joe Thompson, a long time with the U.S.
26:07
Speaker 3: Attorney's Office. He is no longer there, but worked on
26:09
Speaker 3: these cases for years. And it was actually, in fact,
26:12
Speaker 3: the person basically in front of the cameras bringing so
26:17
Speaker 3: much of this to light very early on with Feeding
26:19
Speaker 3: Our Future and other cases that he worked on. And
26:22
Speaker 3: I actually think, um, you know, he said basically 9
26:25
Speaker 3: billion could be as much as, as 20. This is
26:28
Speaker 3: still currently going on. I just want people to think
26:30
Speaker 3: like Nick Shirley didn't roll into town and this is
26:31
Speaker 3: like over, over now. In fact, I'll just tell you
26:34
Speaker 3: a quick story about today, Joe, there was a search
26:36
Speaker 3: search warrants executed, um, at several homes in the South Metro. One, um,
26:42
Speaker 3: happened to be at a long time, something that we
26:45
Speaker 3: were aware and reported on this, this neighborhood in, in Savage, Minnesota, uh,
26:50
Speaker 3: traced to, uh, Inside, there's a Somali transportation company and
26:54
Speaker 3: a food service company inside this address in Savage as well.
26:58
Speaker 3: So search warrants just executed today doesn't appear to be
27:01
Speaker 3: connected to the Somali businesses. But in fact, a shooting
27:04
Speaker 3: that took place just a few weeks ago at a
27:07
Speaker 3: park in Edina, Minnesota.
27:10
Speaker 2: So just so much, so much fraud.
27:12
Speaker 3: Wow. So much of this still very much out in
27:14
Speaker 3: the open. Three luxury cars at that address. neighbors have
27:18
Speaker 3: been suspicious for a very long time. And there's several
27:21
Speaker 3: homes in that, that neighborhood that all of these neighbors
27:24
Speaker 3: are watching. And this isn't just one neighborhood. We get emails,
27:26
Speaker 3: I would say daily at alpha news about things that
27:29
Speaker 3: are very suspect and still not on the up and
27:32
Speaker 3: up here. Remember they had to go ahead and verify,
27:34
Speaker 3: I think it was 5,000 different residential addresses in Minnesota
27:37
Speaker 3: in a very short amount of time. And they said,
27:39
Speaker 3: you know, like half of these are not even real
27:42
Speaker 3: so far.
27:42
Speaker 2: So that's just the work that's been done so far.
27:45
Speaker 1: It's Liz Collin, Liz. Um, Is, is Keith Ellison done
27:50
Speaker 1: over this? He never should have been your attorney general.
27:51
Speaker 1: I think it was a Doug Wardlow that ran. And
27:53
Speaker 1: I thought that he would, he had a really good
27:55
Speaker 1: shot of doing it. Um, but is he done because
27:57
Speaker 1: of this? There's no way anybody in their right mind
27:59
Speaker 1: thinks that there could have been this, this amount of
28:02
Speaker 1: fraud under the nose of an attorney general who, by
28:05
Speaker 1: the way, the U S Senate is implicated as having
28:08
Speaker 1: known about this and maybe was in collusion with some
28:10
Speaker 1: of these people. That's according to the Senate, not according
28:12
Speaker 1: to me, but is he done because of this? Even
28:14
Speaker 1: if he doesn't come out with dirty hands, I mean,
28:16
Speaker 1: there's no way that you're the top cop of Minnesota
28:18
Speaker 1: and just let this happen, right?
28:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we've been trying to ask questions of
28:24
Speaker 3: Keith Ellison, frankly, for years on this fraud situation. They
28:26
Speaker 3: have made it very clear that they will never be
28:28
Speaker 3: giving us interviews, which is really strange. But there is
28:31
Speaker 3: a Republican by the name of Ron Schutz running against
28:35
Speaker 3: Ellison this time around. And I would say of all
28:37
Speaker 3: the polls, these polls seem to indicate that a Republican
28:41
Speaker 3: has a real shot here.
28:43
Speaker 2: It's amazing to me.
28:43
Speaker 3: It's actually as close as it is, I'm going to
28:45
Speaker 3: be honest.
28:46
Speaker 2: With everything we.
28:46
Speaker 3: Know about Attorney General Keith Ellison. But that race is
28:50
Speaker 3: certainly one to watch this November.
28:53
Speaker 1: Is there any implication that Ellison did know? Are we
28:56
Speaker 1: there yet?
28:59
Speaker 3: Again, I don't know how you could say he doesn't. Remember,
29:02
Speaker 3: he accepted money at one point from some of the
29:06
Speaker 3: folks wrapped up in some of the fraud. These are
29:09
Speaker 3: a lot of the people are in his close circle.
29:12
Speaker 3: I mean, he He has tried to distance himself at
29:15
Speaker 3: every turn, but the facts lead right back to him
29:18
Speaker 3: kind of again and again. And he's had quite a bit,
29:21
Speaker 3: I guess, some budget cuts that have happened at his
29:24
Speaker 3: office as well, laying off some attorneys. But you could
29:27
Speaker 3: really tell in his office in his eight years there now,
29:33
Speaker 3: the focus, charging cops, not going after fraudsters. That was
29:38
Speaker 3: very clear with his priorities.
29:40
Speaker 2: No doubt about that.
29:41
Speaker 3: It is.
29:41
Speaker 1: Liz, Colin, Liz, before I let you go, and thanks
29:43
Speaker 1: for all the time today. Got to ask you, I
29:44
Speaker 1: don't know Nick Shirley. I've had the guy David Hokon,
29:47
Speaker 1: who was with Nick Shirley in Minnesota, exposing a lot
29:50
Speaker 1: of this fraud. But Nick appears to be a guy
29:53
Speaker 1: who is very much like you. very much like me
29:56
Speaker 1: when I was a journalist back in the day, where
29:57
Speaker 1: we just want to get the truth. We want to
29:59
Speaker 1: get the real story. So it's so bothersome to these
30:02
Speaker 1: radical leftist governments that California just passed something. It's not
30:06
Speaker 1: called the Stop Nick Shirley Act, but we're calling it that,
30:09
Speaker 1: which basically squelches your ability to go and undercover investigate
30:14
Speaker 1: addresses and fake businesses and fronts for fraud and That
30:19
Speaker 1: literally becomes like a criminal charge in the state of
30:22
Speaker 1: California now. You think this is going to quickly go
30:24
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court and be blown out because of
30:26
Speaker 1: the First Amendment? It's got to be, right?
30:28
Speaker 2: I hope so. Yeah, it's crazy.
30:29
Speaker 3: I was also thinking, though, that I would be better.
30:31
Speaker 3: He has got better hair and it would be so
30:33
Speaker 3: much easier for me if I could just wear a
30:34
Speaker 3: hoodie every day.
30:35
Speaker 2: So I have nothing but. but respect for Nick Shirley.
30:39
Speaker 3: And I think it's great, everything that he has exposed,
30:42
Speaker 3: not only in Minnesota, but all across the country.
30:45
Speaker 2: But actually, it's interesting. It's not easy work.
30:48
Speaker 3: I mean, we've been threatened with lawsuits over at Alpha
30:51
Speaker 3: News for doing a lot of the same things for
30:54
Speaker 3: years here. The police called on us. They will do
30:56
Speaker 3: everything they can to keep this hidden. And we do
31:00
Speaker 3: kind of have a population in Minnesota that that, you know,
31:03
Speaker 3: it's kind of this complacent attitude that, okay, somebody else
31:06
Speaker 3: is going to speak up and do something and say something.
31:08
Speaker 3: So we were thankful that Nick came in and made
31:11
Speaker 3: the splash that he did.
31:12
Speaker 2: But, yeah, this can't be illegal. I mean, that is
31:16
Speaker 2: absolutely wild.
31:18
Speaker 3: And obviously, yeah, look at why they're trying to keep
31:21
Speaker 3: him quiet and keep him out of California.
31:23
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact split. I'm sorry. I don't
31:26
Speaker 1: know the exact split in Minnesota. but you said that
31:29
Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House is now the nominee for
31:32
Speaker 1: the Republicans. Is the House of Representatives in Minnesota Republican?
31:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, so actually we've had, you know, people say this
31:40
Speaker 3: is such a blue state, but not at all. I mean,
31:43
Speaker 3: this is basically a tie at this point with Republicans
31:46
Speaker 3: and Democrats. And again, I think that the thought is
31:50
Speaker 3: that they can capitalize on a lot of this, you know,
31:53
Speaker 3: fraud and whatnot. And the Republicans have done a lot
31:56
Speaker 3: of good work this year at trying to appoint some
32:01
Speaker 3: new people into some different positions to get kind of
32:04
Speaker 3: this nonpartisan look at fraud.
32:08
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, this is by no means a blue state.
32:12
Speaker 3: There are people here with common sense.
32:14
Speaker 2: I do say that. So there is hope, I guess.
32:18
Speaker 2: That is my message.
32:19
Speaker 1: It wasn't disjointed, the question. It sounded like it was,
32:21
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. The reason I ask is would the
32:24
Speaker 1: Minnesota legislature try to do something like the California legislature
32:27
Speaker 1: just did And if the Speaker of the House is Republican,
32:30
Speaker 1: the answer is no.
32:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to go anywhere.
32:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's actually so much, yes, that the Speaker kept
32:37
Speaker 3: from going anywhere this last session. Radical policies that were
32:44
Speaker 3: introduced in Minnesota. But thankfully, we have a good block
32:50
Speaker 3: on that with the number of Republicans in power in
32:52
Speaker 3: both the House and the Senate.
32:54
Speaker 1: It's not dissimilar to Michigan in that Michigan and the
32:56
Speaker 1: assembly and in the Senate, it's by one vote. It's Democrat.
33:00
Speaker 1: The Supreme court of Michigan by one vote. It's Democrat.
33:02
Speaker 1: So Minnesota could completely, Minnesota could look red, very red
33:08
Speaker 1: after this, this upcoming election.
33:11
Speaker 2: I'm saying there's a chance.
33:14
Speaker 1: Dumb and dumber reference to end the interview. I think
33:16
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33:25
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33:27
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