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Dynasty Sports Life Ep 210 Marcus on Dynasty rebuilds and rules · Dynasty Sports Life

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  Speaker 1: Be in this league podcast network.
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  Speaker 2: There's this Dynasty Sports Life, a podcast about playing fantasy baseball, basketball, football,
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  Speaker 2: and hont three hundred and sixty five days a year.
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  Speaker 2: Here's your host, Jesse Sylvia.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Dynasty Sports Life. Jesse sphere here ready
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  Speaker 3: to talk with you about the wonderful world of Dynasty
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  Speaker 3: Fantasy sports. Where are we? Where are we? Where are we?
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  Speaker 3: It is the end of July. That is you know
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  Speaker 3: what time that is. I just finished my first basketball
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  Speaker 3: draft of the year. That was the four Sport Diesel Draft.
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  Speaker 3: We did our rookies. Now that's summer Summer league and
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  Speaker 3: the draft are in the books and people are popping
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  Speaker 3: all the way off. We even make it allowable in
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  Speaker 3: this league to draft some of your some of your
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  Speaker 3: international perspective draftees who didn't come out this year, which
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  Speaker 3: kind of makes it an extra lot of fun. So
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  Speaker 3: I think we're in that time of year now here
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  Speaker 3: in late July that I will have drafts continuously going,
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  Speaker 3: some sort of a slow draft going in one of
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  Speaker 3: my browsers somewhere from now until not even kidding, probably
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  Speaker 3: the middle of October. So it's really it is the
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  Speaker 3: most wonderful time of the year in so many ways.
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  Speaker 3: Today we're going back on the philosopher's stage because Marcus
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  Speaker 3: is here, and we're going to talk about some of
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  Speaker 3: the big questions, the big questions, maybe the biggest question
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  Speaker 3: all of dynasty, which is what sort of a strategy
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  Speaker 3: should you have to a startup and to an orphan
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  Speaker 3: because it's just the jumping off point to so many
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  Speaker 3: of the topics we love. So right after this, you
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  Speaker 3: know him, you love him. It's our guy, Marcus. We're
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  Speaker 3: talking dynasty again, and Marcus is back, my guy, Marcus,
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  Speaker 3: ready to talk a little more of these blender topics
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  Speaker 3: here in dynasty, the general, the philosophical. We're up on
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  Speaker 3: Plato and Socrates stage here sitting in thrones in white robes,
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  Speaker 3: ready to talk about dynasty sports. How you doing today, Marcus?
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  Speaker 1: I am doing great. Jesse, thank you for having me again,
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  Speaker 1: my man. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: I love having you on here. We've had some good
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  Speaker 3: conversations and so we're gonna keep them going on some
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  Speaker 3: of these really general things. But I guess first I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to ask, well, we're checking in mid season on
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  Speaker 3: your baseball teams. How's it going for you right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to report that last night I beat Kevin
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  Speaker 1: So that was always wonderful. Oh man, that was great.
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  Speaker 1: That was Ray. No, we're doing pretty good, man. I'm
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  Speaker 1: only in a couple so leading the league in the
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  Speaker 1: Barry Barker League and then in the Diesel we're in
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  Speaker 1: the top four currently, so still hold out strong to
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  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. A little bit of a surprise that
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  Speaker 1: we're in the top four. My co manager Mick runs
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  Speaker 1: a tight ship and he knows what I'm drew. He
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  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He gotta trust in your teammates.
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  Speaker 3: No, you're killing it. Yeah, in the thirty team in
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  Speaker 3: the Barry Baker League. You took that team over was
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  Speaker 3: it last year? And it was a rough team. If
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  Speaker 3: I were call at the time, it didn't look to
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  Speaker 3: me like you're going to be continued soon. And now,
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  Speaker 3: like you say, you're in playoff position. I think we're
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  Speaker 3: tied in the standings or we just were.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You could be ahead of me today for all I know.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's you're really killing it in that league.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought it was going to be more of
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  Speaker 3: a rebuild. So you know, that's The thing is, we
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  Speaker 3: are contemplating today this whole question of what happens when
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  Speaker 3: you set up a league, what happens when you take
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  Speaker 3: over a team and you try to get to the
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  Speaker 3: point of contention once you set it up. Frame a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, because this was a topic that you had
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  Speaker 3: and I love it. I love this discussion. But what
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  Speaker 3: kind of inspired this topic for you or how would
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  Speaker 3: you frame it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the idea behind this is that everybody experiences
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  Speaker 1: at some point, whether you start to join dynasty leagues
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  Speaker 1: or when you start to join multiple dynasty leagues, or
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  Speaker 1: you're getting in on a startup, or you need to
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  Speaker 1: replace someone. Right, there's always orphan teams out there every
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  Speaker 1: year that commissioners are so excited to replace. Got this
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  Speaker 1: idea because I just joined one of your leagues, the
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  Speaker 1: Red Rocks Basketball League, and I took over an orphan
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  Speaker 1: and I spent the last couple of weeks figuring out
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  Speaker 1: the team identity, and I was like, man, this actually
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  Speaker 1: something that everybody has to do at any point in
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  Speaker 1: their fantasy careers or dynasty fantasy careers. So why not
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  Speaker 1: talk about what that looks like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you I've never revealed this, but the team
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  Speaker 3: you took over was by a certain national basketball media
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  Speaker 3: member who recently went to the Atlanta Hawks and therefore
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  Speaker 3: had to a band in the team, and he did
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  Speaker 3: bring good job with it. He was a painful trader.
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  Speaker 3: But you yourself are a national media celebrity. As I
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  Speaker 3: understand it. Not only have you been on this show,
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  Speaker 3: which obviously is the pinnacle of your media career, but
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  Speaker 3: you've been on ESPN, You've been on Fox NFL. Do
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  Speaker 3: you have wisdom to share with me from your media career?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely so, whenever to share a couple of bit of
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  Speaker 1: those media appearances. I once was once highlighted on sports
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  Speaker 1: during a Jets training camp where there was a silhouette
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  Speaker 1: of me tapping up Tim Tebow on the sideline on
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  Speaker 1: his birthday. Very easily identifiable as I was the only
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  Speaker 1: person decked off from head to toeing Cowboys gear at
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  Speaker 1: the Jets mini camp. So that was my first claim
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  Speaker 1: to fame. And then I was on a Fox NFL
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  Speaker 1: Sunday game for the Game of the Week. The one
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  Speaker 1: thing that I will share with you, Jesse, is that
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  Speaker 1: if you're ever caught on national television as one of
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  Speaker 1: the one of two people on the screen. Make sure
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  Speaker 1: you cover your mouth when you sneeze. So for those
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  Speaker 1: of that I don't know, I was. My grandparents sent
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  Speaker 1: me a voicemail afterwards telling me that they were so
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  Speaker 1: proud of me because I saw me on TV and
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  Speaker 1: that they raise such a good young man who covers
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  Speaker 1: his mouth when he sneezes.
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  Speaker 3: So see you in a moment of crisis. In a
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  Speaker 3: moment of crisis, that's where your character is revealed. And
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  Speaker 3: Marcus dog on it.
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  Speaker 1: What you do when you think nobody's watching is when everyone.
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  Speaker 3: Is exactly exactly yeah. So yeah, man, we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: diynasty teams, and where do you want to start this?
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  Speaker 3: You want to start talking about new dynasty teams, orphan teams?
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  Speaker 1: What's your thought here? Let's start where everyone starts, right
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  Speaker 1: when you're getting into that first dynasty league. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to actually hand this one back to you for a moment,
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  Speaker 1: because you are known as the commissioner, but not everybody
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  Speaker 1: booze you like they do. Goodell when you get up
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  Speaker 1: for that draft. Maybe I will. Since I didn't get
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  Speaker 1: a lottery pick. I didn't win the lottery in the
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  Speaker 1: Red Rocks. But I want to approach this from two
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  Speaker 1: different ways. One, when you're the commissioner, how are you
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  Speaker 1: looking to set it up a little bit to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you're on the same page with all of
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  Speaker 1: the participants. And then we'll transition over to the creation,
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  Speaker 1: like when you're looking at building that how you're planning
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  Speaker 1: your team build and what are those different tactics that
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  Speaker 1: you can use before eventually talking about taking over orphans
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  Speaker 1: and filling orphans with a really.
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  Speaker 3: So the I guess as a commissioner that I am
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  Speaker 3: the commissioner of our three sport league that I've talked
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  Speaker 3: about a number of times on this on this feed,
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  Speaker 3: and before that, the the what we call the OG
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  Speaker 3: Dynasty Baseball League, the original Baseball League is in its
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  Speaker 3: twelfth year three sports and it's eleventh year. And I
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  Speaker 3: did not start out as the commissioner of those leagues.
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  Speaker 3: I started out because both of these have spurned, have
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  Speaker 3: emerged from the end this league universe, and at first
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  Speaker 3: those guys were running it, and I was really annoying,
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  Speaker 3: asking lots of questions and saying, what if this, what
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  Speaker 3: are we going to do if this happens? What how
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  Speaker 3: are we going to enforce this rule? And I would
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  Speaker 3: think through the implications of a lot of things, and
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  Speaker 3: especially when it dawned on me, because I'm just very analytical,
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  Speaker 3: and when it dawned on me that something that had
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  Speaker 3: been set up is going to lead to a contradiction
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  Speaker 3: or it's going to lead to a problem down the line,
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  Speaker 3: I would be adamant about bringing that up. And I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't that annoying guy in the chat, I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: But I would talk to the commissioner politely and I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, Okay, if we do this, though, if you
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  Speaker 3: do the rule this way, it's going to end up
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  Speaker 3: with X and not. I truly hope it wasn't for
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  Speaker 3: the sake of my team, but it was just it
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  Speaker 3: was something I kept doing but politely, and I had
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  Speaker 3: a good relationship with those guys, and finally they were like,
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  Speaker 3: you just be commissioner, man, we can't take it. Just
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  Speaker 3: you've thought these things through, your heart's in the right
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  Speaker 3: place here, and you obviously are very into it, so
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  Speaker 3: just do it. And yeah, I joined a lot of
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  Speaker 3: leagues where I was not the commissioner, but over time,
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  Speaker 3: I think when commissioners left the leagues, people just were like, Jesse,
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  Speaker 3: why don't you do it? And I'm the idiot who
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  Speaker 3: keeps saying yes subsequently end up commissioning a lot. But
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  Speaker 3: there have been few leagues that I've really had the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to set up, the main one being our four
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  Speaker 3: spot Diesel league that dawns on me right off hand,
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  Speaker 3: as a league that I started out designing the rules
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  Speaker 3: for and really thought them through and took the parts
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  Speaker 3: that I liked from other leagues, but still very You
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  Speaker 3: really try to think about precedents. You really try to
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  Speaker 3: think about if we start out in direction, what's going
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  Speaker 3: to happen, what are the loopholes people are going to
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  Speaker 3: try to exploit, what is actually going to be fun
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  Speaker 3: to play? Or what have I seen abused in other
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  Speaker 3: leagues when we've used them? So you just try to
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  Speaker 3: take the good parts of the leagues that you've already
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  Speaker 3: been in and you try to make sure that the
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  Speaker 3: things that you find are stupid get eliminated. I'll give
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  Speaker 3: you an example, and this isn't This is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit mean because I'm criticizing myself here because I helped
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  Speaker 3: The other leagues that I helped set up were the
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  Speaker 3: Fantasy Hockey Life, The Tidy, and the Original Dynasty leagues,
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  Speaker 3: primarily the original Dynasty, the Tidy. There was a couple
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  Speaker 3: folks that came in, but something that I originally didn't mind,
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  Speaker 3: and I guess there's one other hockey league. But one
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  Speaker 3: of the things I really thought was a plan originally
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  Speaker 3: was in Dynasty Hockey, and this happens across the sports.
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  Speaker 3: When you have a guy who's eligible for the miners,
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  Speaker 3: the ability to just move him up and down until
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  Speaker 3: he passes that threshol was something that originally I thought, Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that makes sense, let's just do that, and I found
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  Speaker 3: that it created a game that I've not enjoyed as much.
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  Speaker 3: When you have a limited number of minor slots and
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  Speaker 3: you have the ability to move guys up and down
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  Speaker 3: at will until they hit the rookie threshold, it creates
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  Speaker 3: an environment where people will take guys who what they're
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  Speaker 3: not good, but they're playing a little bit, and they
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  Speaker 3: use their miners basically as an extended bench. And especially
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  Speaker 3: in hockey, that bothered me because in baseball you can
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  Speaker 3: do the same thing theoretically, but the thing is that
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  Speaker 3: most days for baseball, you have a full roster of
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  Speaker 3: your starters, so you might have your il issues and everything,
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  Speaker 3: but it doesn't make sense, and there's just not enough
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  Speaker 3: productive players to just pull up we're under one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and thirty at bats or whatever to really make it happen.
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  Speaker 3: But in hockey, you're just your maximum games played, and
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  Speaker 3: it's so easy to do that with guys who were
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  Speaker 3: under games play limits that it just changes the game.
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  Speaker 3: So that is something that I didn't love or I
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  Speaker 3: felt like I totally got why we did it. I
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  Speaker 3: supported it when we started it, but as the play
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  Speaker 3: went on, I was like, this is not as fun
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  Speaker 3: to me. This is a perversion of how some of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff ought to work. And it was a strategy
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  Speaker 3: I exploited. But when we did for Sport and I
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  Speaker 3: had a guy Thomas from Norway was always like, what
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  Speaker 3: the heck are you doing with this? Why is this
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  Speaker 3: like this? Once you call a guy up, he should
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  Speaker 3: have to stay up forever? Was Thomas's opinion. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of the other extreme. But in for Sport
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  Speaker 3: we set it up so that you can call a
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  Speaker 3: guy up only two guys and two times in his career,
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  Speaker 3: and after that, no you can't. And of course in
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  Speaker 3: many of my leagues I also have set it up
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  Speaker 3: so that you can't ever claim a guy in waivers
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  Speaker 3: who is currently in the minors now guys who are
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  Speaker 3: under the threshold but in the pros obviously, so you've
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  Speaker 3: got to be able to pick those guys up, but
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  Speaker 3: guys who are in the minders you can't pick up.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like that is one of the ways
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  Speaker 3: that we have cured that problem. I like the gameplay
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  Speaker 3: of doing it this way better and I think it's
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  Speaker 3: probably more realistic, more realistic than the other way. But
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, is that so that's just an example
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  Speaker 3: of something one of the issues I faced as a commissioner.
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  Speaker 3: But what do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I wanted you to just start off
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  Speaker 1: this way on purpose, because you got to know the rules, right.
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  Speaker 1: The whole point about the Fantasy League is that you
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  Speaker 1: want everyone to be on the same page and everyone
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  Speaker 1: following the same set of directions, and it's okay to
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  Speaker 1: fail from time to time, especially when you're establishing a league.
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  Speaker 1: You hope that you have a really good group of people.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what amendments are for, right, That's what voting
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  Speaker 1: is for. And even in the Forest Park, we took
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  Speaker 1: a really long time just to talk through things as
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  Speaker 1: an entire group. Before we got the draft, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everyone was like, just let's go. Jesse's time to draft,
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  Speaker 1: and Jesse's like, no, I think we need to wait
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  Speaker 1: another six months to make sure that we got all
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  Speaker 1: the rules. And of course it worked out great, and
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  Speaker 1: of course, were there some things that we voted on.
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  Speaker 1: We've made a few changes. Did we identify a couple
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  Speaker 1: gaps here and there, of course, But that's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen with literally anything that you encounter in life. So
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  Speaker 1: as long as you're approaching it positively and trying to
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  Speaker 1: do it constructively, that's how leagues last as long as
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  Speaker 1: they do. And that's why you have some that you've
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  Speaker 1: been in for over ten years, because the group wants
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  Speaker 1: them to be successful instead of everyone fighting over odds
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  Speaker 1: and ends. I love that aspect of it. And to
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  Speaker 1: tangent off of your example, the Tidy and the Diesel
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  Speaker 1: are two very different leagues for that exact reason. And
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  Speaker 1: I was able to do well in the Tidy the
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  Speaker 1: last year because I filled my miners full of players
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  Speaker 1: that I could move in and out to maximize gameplayed,
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  Speaker 1: and you literally can't do that in the Diesel and
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  Speaker 1: then with the restrictions and cap and penalties, you would
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  Speaker 1: only harm yourself by filling in and ad dropping throughout
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  Speaker 1: the course of a season. Give yourself that little buffer
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the year for a playoff push.
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  Speaker 1: If you need something in the diar, that's a next
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  Speaker 1: year problem if you have to anything for the title, right.
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  Speaker 1: But no, I love the complexity of it, and I
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  Speaker 1: love that there's different ideas that you can implement amongst
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  Speaker 1: different leagues, and if you want something different than what
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  Speaker 1: your league is offering, it's okay to be in more
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  Speaker 1: than one league, right. That's the joy of fantasy sports.
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  Speaker 1: You could do multiple.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's okay to play different formats. It's totally okay.
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  Speaker 3: So it's I'm not calling out those leaks. I'm part
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  Speaker 3: of setting up those leagus and I don't hate that.
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  Speaker 3: But given the choice of which way to play, I
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  Speaker 3: think I've played that way. Not just in hockey. There's
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  Speaker 3: baseball leagues m in like that, and there's plenty of
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  Speaker 3: leagues 'm in like that, even basketball leagues like that
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  Speaker 3: where you can just stream guys up and down, although
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  Speaker 3: it's harder to do in basketball because there are a
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  Speaker 3: fewer relevant rookies who can actually help you. But I've
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  Speaker 3: played that, but I just find that the gameplay is
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  Speaker 3: better the other way. I really like formats that value
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  Speaker 3: draft picks, that value the development and maintenance of minor leaguers,
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  Speaker 3: and I find like in baseball leagues where you can
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  Speaker 3: stream guys up and down. I think that's part of
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  Speaker 3: why when you listen to Dynasty Advice on a lot
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  Speaker 3: of programs, you'll hear people really talk about proximity and
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  Speaker 3: really value a guy who's about to come up, and
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  Speaker 3: have very little value on a guy who is further away.
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  Speaker 3: And that's because of this, That's because it's maximized for
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  Speaker 3: the strategy of guys who can play for you. Right now,
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  Speaker 3: Cooper Pratt is more valuable to people than I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: Felm in Celston, and I don't think that's that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: make sense to me. I've made some moves recently in
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  Speaker 3: a baseball league that I've been in for Dynasty purposes,
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  Speaker 3: and I can't believe some of the guys who are
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  Speaker 3: freely available on waivers. But it's because there's little incentive
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  Speaker 3: in this league to really emphasize your pros. So I've
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  Speaker 3: picked up. I think I picked up Sebastian Walcott, Theo Gillen, Alfreido,
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  Speaker 3: do you know Thomas White. I picked all these guys
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  Speaker 3: up off waivers because other teams are not valuing what's
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  Speaker 3: going on there, and it's a fairly shallow and frankly,
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  Speaker 3: I think in this league you can either have those
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  Speaker 3: spots dedicated to minor leaguers or to pros. So competing
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  Speaker 3: teams just don't want to do it. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that. I used to play board games back in
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  Speaker 3: like the eighties, right like Avalon Hill War game board
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  Speaker 3: game things, and I'd read their magazines and the big art.
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  Speaker 3: The big argument people used to have in those days
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  Speaker 3: was realism versus playability. Do you want a game that's
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  Speaker 3: more realistic or do you want a game that offers
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the more fun playing experience? And so it's always attention
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: that you're in.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: On a side note, I was curious who actually had
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: found in Selston when you said that, So I looked
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: it up and it's you.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: It's always me.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: You have a billion minors.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Which which league are you talking about?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I was looking at the dieselague got eight hundreds.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that feeds right into our talk of strategy here, right.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, so transitioning into that our strategy talk. So the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: first thing that you gotta do rule number one of
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: everything when you're joining a dynasty league is you gotta
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: know the rules. Right, Every league operates differently. There's so
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: many different combinations of fun things, and I know that
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you're a big promoter of fan tracks, and that league,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: beyond all the other ones that I've ever seen, have
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: a crazy amount of different settings and scenarios that you
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: can do. Some of my friends, like real life friends,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: we have a pretty good fantasy football league going. That's
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: all contract leagues on a different platform that has its
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: own unique situation of rules and settings and how we
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: operate throughout the off season with draft and free agency,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: auction bidding, et cetera. Stuff like that practice squad players.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So getting to know the intimate details of the league
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: rules is super important because, as you said, if you're
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: not able to pick up minors throughout the entire year,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: have you're gonna more heavily weigh draft picks in a
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: league like that where the only way you can get
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: minor draft picks or minor players is by having draft picks.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: That's something that I didn't really anticipate when we started
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the Diesel we traded everything away. At first, we were like, oh, whatever,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. There's always pros on the block.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: And then when the contract still started to happen, we're like, oh, man,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you know what draft picks are a little more valuable.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: We originally intended see mac Jones to severe for fifteen
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: picks for no reason that helped build his minor league
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: baseball team.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Remember that? Yeah? Of course you wouldn't. I'll remember it forever.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: A bunch of nothing draft picks at the end of
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a draft for a quarterback that was starting at the time,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and then it looked back going. We only used them
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: one week? Was that really worth all those like rounders?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'll remember Jesse.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Is an elephant over the Yeah. And some people would
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: say that this is an idiosyncrasy that I'm exploiting in
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: a league and I'm setting up for advantage, and it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: something that I happen to like. But we did vote
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: when we set up to Diesel, we did a vote rama.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: We voted on twenty two because I said, there's some
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: things I want here, and there's some things other things
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: that are really important, like head to head versus roto
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: in certain formats that I wanted buy in from everybody
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: on we took votes. There wasn't a question of dictator
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Jesse coming in and doing one thing or the other.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: But one thing that I have found was so rewarding
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: in the three sport and Original Dynasty leagues that I've
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: been in since the mid twenty tens is this league
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: format where there's no limit on the number of minor leaguers,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: but you can't pick up minor leaguers and you can
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: only get them draft picks. And the reason why that
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: format is so valuable to me is if you don't
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: have it, draft picks are virtually valueless, and if you
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: have it, draft picks are absolute gold and they're worth acquiring.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you're right. I have the deepest minor system
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: in this league. I have fifty three minor league players
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: for a thirty man pro roster, and it's because my
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: sense of it is I just.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Want to keep it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: It's a volume play. You got to get the upside,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and the way to do it is you have to
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: feel that you are going to be more efficient than
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: the market at drafting. And you're going to get yourself
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: more cuts at the more bites at the apple. And
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that's that's kind of what my strategy is. And it
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: has led me to the bottom half of the league
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: every single year so far in baseball. And I'm zagging
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: when other people are zigging and hoping for the best.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: But and I've sold off a lot of pro pieces
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: that would have helped me be better now. But I'm
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: playing the long game and I'm hoping that it's going
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: to work out.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: So to transition, right, how you want to construct your team,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: especially when you're starting out, what's your plan of attack?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of those questions can't be answered until you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: actually figure out who's going to be there, which is
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: your initial startup draft, right, So best practices for startup
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: draft do what you feel kind of a thing. There's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: not like a magic sauce. There's only a couple of
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: people that are legends. But from you, Jesse, what do
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you think what are your best practices when you are
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: starting off and constructing your team through that initial league draft?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: You mentioned knowing the settings, and it's almost just it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: almost just a cliche at this point to say no,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: your settings, but it is it can't be overemphasized because
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: any difference in scoring, any difference in anything, is going
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: to amplify over time any part of the settings. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I see a lot of people go into the drafts
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: and say, oh, this is an OBP league, all right,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I'll just value a little bit more guys who have OVP.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: That's in my mind. That's a mistake in my mind,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: that is going to come back to Honya. Every time
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I've done a startup dynasty draft, I have full on
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: tried to create projections for everything, and I've weighed them
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: by future aging. I've weighed them by production, but then
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: also by rookies that I think because it's I've not
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: cracked any kind of a formula that I feel comfortable
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: with on really projecting rookies into the future. The closest
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: thing I got is Victor's Ranks and Fantasy Hockey life,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and I do rely on those for the hockey side
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: of things. But and I people are like, we just
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: have a general sense and make tears and feel good
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: about that. I don't feel that way. I know, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: get why people talk about tears, and I get that
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: we cannot have exact precision, but maybe I'm just too
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: mathy because I still project the numbers out and I
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: but I make them fuzzy in my mind. Right, it's
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: not an absolute rule that this guy has to be
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: taken over that guy because I have him projected to
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: give me more points in the long term. I'm going
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to but I'm going to try to make it more precise.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that five guys are the same.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: When I really squint and look at it, one guy
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: on that tier supposedly is five percent above the bottom
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: one in that tier, and it's five four three two one.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It's not exact, and I want to keep that in mind.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: You look for some natural drops in the scoring, but
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: it's still scoring to me. So that's a preference thing
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: on my part. But I would never enter a Dynasty
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: draft without really projecting out what I think people's numbers
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: are going to look like with the settings of the league.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: How about you? Yeah, we so recently. The most recent
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: one that I've done for startup would be the four Sport.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: That was the last startup league that I was a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: part of. Most of the time, I take over orphans
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: from people like you that asked me I played with
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: or like we need someone right now, like one of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: those Lutch Marcus's clutch for those h I'm always down
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to try, and I'm always down to give it my all, right,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And we'll get into that in a little bit. But
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I always feel the best policy for starting a new
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: league is to try to just draft the best player available,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and you can include that by their rout like just
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the best value that you have. I know that kind
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of goes in along, that kind of falls into the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: line with like your own tiers, but you also have
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: your own sentimental value towards players or teams even of course,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like I prefer not to draft Cowboys players because I
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: have to watch them lose. I don't want to players
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: do bad, so at least I can always win win somehow,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: right if they suck in the game, but they win
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the game, Like, at least they won the game, right,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: so I can always enjoy something. So I tried never
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to draft Cowboys players as like a rule of thumb
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: for me personally. But the goal is always just to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: try to draft the best team that you possibly can,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and you have to be able to adjust on the fly.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: You might have a list of five players that you
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: want you're like, I'm drafting one of these next five guys,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and then those five guys go right in a row
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: right before you, and you're like, I would have never
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: thought all five of them were going to go. There's
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: no need to panic right the way that we developed
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: at least the dynasty leagues. I know, redraft you usually
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: have a ticker, so maybe a little bit more stressful
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: in a redraft situation, but a dynasty we typically allow
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: longer draft periods, so you have at least a couple
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of hours at minimum to determine who you want to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: add to the team, plenty of time to get your
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: stress out of the way, do a little wose action
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and relax, and then make an educated decision. But even
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in like our foresport, for example, you weren't allowed to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: draft miners and pros at the same time, so we
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about who's going to be available
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: for the miners. Right, we have no idea that's ten
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: days away, so we'll figure that out. Let's just worry
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: about drafting the best team that we can with the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: pros that are available, and then we'll worry about the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: best available come the next time. So I'm a big
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: proponent and best available, even if it doesn't always meet
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the roster construction, because if you're drafting someone who's valuable
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and you already have that spot already covered, that means
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: they likely have pretty good trade value and you might
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: be able to acquire someone who you weren't able to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: early in the draft from someone who didn't get what
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they were looking for. So that's my philosophy at least,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: is just try to take the best value that you
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: can at every pick, regardless of position. Unfortunately, it doesn't
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: always work out, but that's the goal. That's the goal.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And some of the things, some of the safeguards
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I also put in because okay, now we can talk
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: about maybe extreme strategies in your startup. There's that guy
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: who comes in and he's going to draft Lebron James
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: in the second round, maybe a Lebron James three years ago.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: But regardless, people who are ready to age out but
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: are producing a highlight maybe Steph Curry would be a
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: better example. They're willing to do that. And you see
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: somebody after a few rounds and you're like, that person
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: is trying to win now and they just don't care
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: about the future. What my personal pet peeve is to
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: have a strategy where you were going to try to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: win the draft, You're going to try to win the
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: league in year one, and you're just assuming it's going
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: to collapse and if the league lasts, because I get it,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I get that happens a lot. But part of what
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: happens I think out of that is it's a self
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: fulfilling prophecy because the people who do that sometimes drop
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: out after year three, even if the league's still going,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: because they've got their championship. They've taken their cut and
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: they're like, this doesn't interest me anymore. My team's going
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: to suck now, and that really bothers me. And there's
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: also the player who will just completely punt on anything
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: now and will want to take a minor leaguer, take
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Keesus my day in the first round and refuses to
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: draft anything that's experienced. And I get pursuing extreme strategies.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: We just talked about my baseball team. I pursued young guys.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I've really tried to emphasize trading productive major leaguers for
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: multiple future picks and really building up for the future.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: But one of the other things, like you said, we
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: separated pro in minor league drafts, and we set a
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: minimum for the number of players per sport that you
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: had to take in the minor league draft. Among the
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: four sports. You weren't allowed to just take forty baseball
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: players or however many rounds thirty baseball players are how
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: many of the rounds you had to take. There's a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: range of the number of players you could take for
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: each of the four sports, and you had to do
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: them all because while I get that people are going
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to punt one sport or another, we didn't. I didn't
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: want to come in and have some teams just like
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not even going to roster players from the sport.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get all of my players in my
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: last ten rounds. I'm going to take players from this
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: sport and I just don't care. And there's you just
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: want there to be a reasonable range. You don't want
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: people who are like, I'm just gonna punt this sport
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: forever because I just don't care about it and I
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: don't know about it. And for a multi sport league,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's something you want to build in somehow,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: and you want to build in that teams are at
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: least going to have a roster otherwise it's gonna Partly
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: you're saving people from your themselves, because I think some
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: people don't know what the'm getting they're getting themselves into,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: and they pursue these strategies and then they figure out
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: in a couple of years, oh man, this team is
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: eternally screwed because of the way I did it. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: also it's just I find it to be more fun
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: gameplay when people are starting out with at least a
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: point of some hope in different areas and not such
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: an extreme strategy. It's just no fun anymore.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I also don't think that
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: it's a viable option to go into a new league
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: startup and be like, I'm taking the first year right
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: when you go into the draft that way, automatically, you've
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: already withered away most of the excitement of joining a
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: new league. A lot of times when you see those
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: people like what you said, you're just going to draft
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: for the future and all I saw a Reddit post
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: for some person trade away his entire startup team and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: got all twenty twenty five draft picks and they didn't
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: win a single game, And I was like, what did
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you expect that doesn't work that way and you're not
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: going to have a fun time. You might feel great
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: doing a rookie draft because you got a lot of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: picks or something there, but at the end of the day,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you spend a whole season losing and not doing anything.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And then you spend another whole season, most likely losing
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and not doing anything. And after two years of losing,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: how excited are you feeling about moving forward with this right?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Or if you sacrifice future draft picks to unfortunately fail
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: in the moment like now, you're potentially sending yourself back
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: for severals And that's when we start to see that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: large turnover, especially in the beginning of leagues, and I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: think that's a big reason why some leagues fizzle out
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: so quickly. So at least approaching it with the rules
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that you did with the for sport, it's okay to
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: realize that in the season, hey this isn't as strong
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: as I thought it might be. Let's make some changes.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: But if you go into it thinking I'm tanking for sure,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: then you're going to have a lot it's gonna be
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a lot harder to keep those types of owners engaged
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: easier in the four sport because you've got four teams.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: But for any other sport where you just do one,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to manage that one a year
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: over year.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And I think it depends where you have got your
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: experience or your background before you start playing Dynasty. Where
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: were you hearing about Dynasty from? Was it podcasts? And
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: if it was podcasts, was it football? And if it
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: was football? Is the closest you can come to truly
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: tanking your one and then getting better Because you need
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: a limited number of players to break out. It's probably
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: still not going to work. It's probably still going to fail.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: But in a baseball team, it's hopeless. Don't even touch
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: that because the players you get in the draft are
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: there's such a wide variance of what you can get
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: in a rookie draft, and it takes so long for
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: them to contribute. You're burying yourself forever just about do
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: you want who? Do you want to pay up in
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: year one for Hazus Moyday in round five and say
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: he's probably up next year, He's not going to contribute
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: this year, But I'm going to pay up for Kate
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Anderson and Jesus moydey and I'm going to believe for
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: the future. Once upon a time, you might've got Paul
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: schemes that way and it might have worked out. But baseball,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the rosters are so deep. You have to have so
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: much depth. That's just it's suicidal. From a winning perspective, I.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Would say hockey follows that same kind of principle. Those
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: are the two sportsports, really, and we're starting to see that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And not everyone has access to see the results of
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the Diesel League, but over the past few years you're
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: starting to see a settling of those players that were
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: like I'm building for the future. They are still down
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: at the bottom, unfortunately, and there's a pretty clear division.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Baseball a little different because baseball's got some randomness built
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: in with categories. But for the points of hockey, it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you start to see a pretty clear division. Although one
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of our owners just took a huge step last week
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and just trading for everyone in hockey. He's trying to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: make a big deal.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's Yeah, we do have people making moves into
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: trade value out from other leaks to do it. I
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: felt like coming in hockey is dangerous because I brought
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: in a bunch of hockey ringers from the FHL universe,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: like Victor and Tony and a number of people Dave
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: who did hockey and I knew would be able to
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: do these other things, Bruce, but hockey was dangerous. But
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I felt basketball might be the sweet spot of there
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: aren't as many people. There's a lot of people who
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: know baseball well, a lot of people who know football well.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: And then we had some people come in who specifically
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: knew hockey well. It was like basketball and hockey are
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: probably my better shots for the near term, and then
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to build for the long haul
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and the other ones. And that's what I did. And
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I won hockey once, I won basketball once, so it's worked.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: But oh Marcus, I keep dinging you man, It's all good,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: It's all good. That was a lucky I wanted on
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: a tiebreaker, right. I don't want basketball on a tiebreaker
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: this year?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Oh man, No, you won by just like a maybe
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: even the finals. But I'm re beat me. I don't
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: know what happened. My fan tracks. Leagues didn't save their
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: lineups and I missed a whole day and then unfortunately,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't take the loss. And I had to
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: go and do all the math and realize that we
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: would have won. Actually but yeah no, but.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, long story short, tanking year one is that's
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: a fraud strategy, and and like you said, it can
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: lead to an activity because if you're like, I'm tanking
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: this whole year, what does it even matter? And then
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: it gets to be month four of the season and
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: it's still a month from the playoffs and it's hard
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: to even set your heart to set a lineup. I've
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: been there, but there's some people who've been there for
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: five years straight and it's painful. And then those people
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: tend to leave the league, not because they're mad, but
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: because they're indifferent. Like I said, the opposite of love
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: for the league is indifference towards the league, and that's
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: what leads to people leaving, not them trying to tank
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to get some advantage. But where does that leave us?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Marcus?
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: And before that, before we go there, why don't we
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: take a break.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: We'll come back on that point back with Marcus.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Marcus, we just were at the heat depth of the
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: universe where everybody is bored and quitting the league, and
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I'll let you take it from there, all right.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing before we go
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: into the next part. Is I think that how you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: have it in a couple of different leagues where you
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: have to actually compete for your draft position as teams
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that didn't make the playoffs, really does help curb some
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of the tanking because you still have to provide a
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: competitive lineup even if you tank, and then they're developed
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: taking strategies while also being competitive, so that actually keeps
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the owners involved. I mean, I love that in the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: diesel and in the tidies specifically, because you don't want
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to get rallied. You also want good picks. But I'll
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: tell you what, man, I'm made to comment and read
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: about this on a fantasy football form where people were
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: complaining about tanking teams just never starting their lineups, and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, why don't you just create a playoffs? Man,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I must have got one hundred bad karma on people
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: down voting me what they were like, this is the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: dumbest idea ever. I was like, clearly, no one's ever
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: tried this before because it works amazing. So for the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: people that are hearing this for the first time, I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: would highly recommend exploring some of those different options instead.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Of max points for football or just worst record. Having
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a competitive tournament for tankers or for the worst teams
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in the league really does incentivize more trading and acquiring
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: some competitive pieces instead of just trading everyone. So think
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: about it, food for thought, and that would prevent people
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: from leaving the league, which now we can transition to
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is it's inevitable. Everybody's had to do it in every
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: single dynasty league or even redraft leagues. Is you got
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: to fill teams, right, you gotta fill orphans. And I'm
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: going to vollow to you here from the commissioner aspect,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: what's some of those important key factors for you when
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: you're trying to fill them besides just messaging me on the.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Side as a commissioner, the hardest thing keeping a dynasty
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: league going is to be able to tap into people
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: who can come in because it is natural people age.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: If you've got eighteen teams, you just can't expect the
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: same eighteen people. That's a pipe dream. That's the seventy
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: fifth wedding anniversary. It is just it's not going to happen.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Fifty percent of marriages and in divorce. I don't know
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: if that's true.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Anymore.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But that's what they always used to say. And a
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: certain percentage of people are eventually going to leave the
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: league because of life changes, because of all kinds. That's
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: why I'm very skeptical to bring in a lot of
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: people who are like in college, because their life is
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: going to change in ways in the next five years
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: that they don't understand yet, and they're going to be busy,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: probably in ways they don't understand yet. But the bottom
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: line is, if you are a commissioner, you better have
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: access to a pipeline of talent, of people who are
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: willing to go. I've had a couple of leagues in
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: basketball where I just can't find people, and one of
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: them it's and the problem is when you're the commissioner,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: everybody's kind of just kind of sits back on their
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: hands and there's like, look, commissioner will come up with something.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: And one league I finally just I was like, look,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: you guys, send me out. I have to beg two
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: people every off season to join this league. I can't
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: do it anymore. I've run out of friends. And then
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: in another one last year, the Gary Payton League, which
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: certain people on this certain people in this podcast had
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: to leave, although I understand totally why.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: But.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: It's about time. Yeah, but no, it totally, I totally
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: get it. Not every Roto is not everybody's cup of tea.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: And this is a twenty team roto that was founded.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I think we're in year twelve of that one too,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: something like that. But every year I was having to
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: come up with people. The league is half my friends
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: now because it was abandoned by the commissioner and they
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: just kind of said, peace out, Jesse, why don't you
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: do this. You know what to do. Just enforce the Steppian.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Rule and you'll be fine. This will be easy.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what, But I've been running it for the
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: majority of its existence now, and I pulled in basically
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: all my friends I've got. I think I found you
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: when I went out and went on a discord. I
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: was just going out to random discords and begging people
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: to join, mostly not getting anything, tweeting out, getting fantasy
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: basketball people to retweet me to see if they could
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: come up with anybody. And finally last year we had
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: to collapse that twenty team league into sixteen teams because
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: we were down like six people. I was like, look, guys,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: we're either going to do this or we're going to
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: fold the league because I just can't. I don't have
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: this many people to come back, and that's so hard. Luckily,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: in the Diesel and in the ind this league, in
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the in this league, Dynasties, I've always been able. I've
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: had a good pipeline of people, guys like you, Marcus,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: people who I found because of this podcast and because
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: of Fantasy Hockey Life. Of course, we got a lot
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: of people who come in over on that side. That's
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: the most important thing is to be able to have
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: access to good people who are willing to step in
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: and take on orphans, which is not the easiest thing
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: in the world.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Marcus, No, it is not so transition right, Honestly, my bad.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I had to leave. I can't do Rhode man. I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: realized that at that moment. I gave it my night,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: even brought it up, but I was going to pay it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe the point of that, though, is you can bring
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: in good people, but it doesn't mean that those people
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: are going to love the format of the league. So
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: it's not like you bring in good people and some
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: of them turn out to be turds and they leave.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Is you bring in people. But when you're choosing a league,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: you're also choosy about it. Right, you join the league
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: that you like, you like the format, you like the
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: people you get into it. Not everybody got into that
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: league and loved it, so it may even made it
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: harder to recruit because you would lose people who came in.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm sorry, but go on.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: No no apologies, and said I was gonna bring it
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: up anyways, because it's okay to leave a league. Everybody
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: does it at some point or another, and you just
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: have to make the best decision for you. Every year
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and every league you're replacing hopefully no one, but you're
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: likely going to be replacing one person, if not more.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty common and people try new things and
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: they realize they don't like them. And that's one of
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the cool things about fantasy too, is that you have
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: that freedom to do that. Of course, you, like Jesse said,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be a turn about it. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: knew that like seventy five percent of the way through
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that league and the Gary Payton that I didn't want
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: to return because Rodo wasn't exciting. I was just setting
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: a lineup every day and I didn't feel anything about it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: There was no matchups. It was just dude, did I
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: move up bus bot cool? Did I move down his bottles?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: A dang? And that was just it for me. So
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't like it, but I didn't go out there
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and trade away everything because I knew the respectful thing
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to do is to manage what you have, work some
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: free agency if you can, and then leave the next
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: person in the right position. Unfortunately, not everybody does that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Orphans can be harder to fill in some cases than others.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But when you come in and fill an orphan, I've
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: been lucky enough to fill in. I think this is
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: my third or fourth team with your league's Jesse, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: this one is definitely the most in depth of all
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of them when I'm trying to figure out what's going on,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and that's what I love the most. So I'm very excited.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: But the main thing that you got to do and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you start that orphan is the same thing that you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: have to apply. Rule number one when you are taking
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: on a dynasty startup is you got to know the rules.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: No matter how many times Craig sends you dms and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: trade offers, you got to make sure that you know
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the rules inside and out, we're making decisions on what
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you're going to be doing. One thing Jesse made a
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: comment about was when I joined the thirty team baseball league,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the Barry Parker League, I didn't know a whole lot
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: about baseball. I did it to learn more so that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: way I could be more effective to help my co
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: managers and the force part. And I used to love
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: baseball back in like the early two thousands, so this
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: was a way to reconnect to baseball from my childhood.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: So I went into it. I read the rules one
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: hundred times because there were so many, and I thought
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I was going to do a good job. And I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: was like, this looks like a great opportunity to tank,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and different from a startup. When you're taking over a
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: league that's already established, you have the ability to make
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: some more informed decisions. And there was also some rules
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: in place regarding how long you can keep players for
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: It's not forever, so trading them has more value. But
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: unfortunately I didn't understand the rules as well as I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: thought I did, and I got taken advantage of in
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of trades. So you'll live and you'll learn.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: But after that first year, Jesse made a comment about
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: how I sucked the first year and turned it around.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Getting a better understanding of the people that you're playing
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: with and getting a better understanding of the rules and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: how the league operates, you can make those decisions and
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: when it's time to turn it around. So on that one,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I chose to tank from day one, after getting some
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: help from AI and then putting my team and others
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and figuring out, hey, do I have a competitive chance
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and it's like that eight ball and it says absolutely not, unfortunately,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: So it's makes some moves and then you try to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: make the best decisions that you can to remain somewhat
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: competitive without having to take ten years. And we were
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: able to flip it around from the worst record and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: maybe in league history to we made the playoffs the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: second year. So it really depends on what you want
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to do and then try to put yourself in the
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: position to accomplish those goals. And from an orphan perspective,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: if I'm going to join a league, I'm going to
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: come up with my plan of action from those first
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: couple of months once I join it, what's available, and
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: then I'm set a goal if i'm going to be
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: in a rebuild or a retool, I'm going to put
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a time frame on it of I'm only going to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: do this for two years, and then I need to
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: be competitive so I don't lose team. Two years is
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the maxi amount of time that I'll ever give to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: a rebuild before I'm going to just start buying some
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: competitive pieces and start pushing the needle. Then I'll have
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: to be more active and start putting myself in a
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: position to be more successful. That way, I don't get
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: burnt out by just seting a losing lineup every week too.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: So it's a personal feeling.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I this is advice that people sometimes give. First of all,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: if you're saying that you screwed up your team in
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: your one from that, I think you did exactly what
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: you needed to do in year one. Maybe you had
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: a couple of missteps along the way and moves that
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: you'd like to do differently, but it's a remarkable turnaround
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: what you did, and getting rid of some of your
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: better players was actually the right move in that circumstance.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: But I would say one of the other things about
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: what you did getting in that thirty team league as
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: your first step is I can tell you the first
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: dynasty basketball, baseball and hockey league that I drafted as
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: a startup. I was not the sharp in the room.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I sure as heck was not almost There were definitely
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: other people in those leagues who had more dynasty experience,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: who had more just experience playing at a very competitive level,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: even though I played for decades now. But I have
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: been less successful in those leagues, the ones that I
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the first one I drafted as a startup. It almost
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: turns into your own orphan, your own rebuild that you
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: look at it after two years, Oh, what the heck
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: have I done? Because you learn from your mistakes. Learning
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: from your mistakes in an orphan is sometimes a little
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: bit less painful because you can go through those lessons
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: and it's like the thing was already screwed up. Although
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I always liked I think I've taken over. Three of
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: my current dynasty teams are orphans that I took over.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: They're all baseball teams. And I also joined Barry Baker late,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: and I took over a team that was third to
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: last in the standings when I did it, Actually it
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: might have been last in the standings the year that
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I took it over, and I was I won a
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: championship last year, eight years later. But it was a
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: long and painful process and the leagues that I really
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: I did startup drafts on. I ended up winning my
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: baseball one after years, but I still have never won
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: that basketball or that hockey one, partly because I've freaking
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: founded that dynasty hockey league with Victor. That's how I
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: met Victor, and he keeps freaking running up the score
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: in that thing. But yeah, sometimes your own team is
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: an orphan. So coming in with an orphan it's not
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: a bad thing, but you do have to learn the
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: lay of the land. When it's an established league. One
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: of the nice things is you can look at some
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: of the moves that have been made. You can look
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: at the teams that are successful and try to figure
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: out how they got there, and that can give you
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: some clues about how to be better at what you
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: need to do.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: That's my rule number two. When time's taken over an
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: orphan is typically there's some sort of historical record of
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: every trade that's been made, and I am looking through
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: every trade from the inception of the league to see
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: where I'm analytical too, So that's just the way the
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: mind works. But in order to figure out what kind
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of value you have and players, you should be able
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to see this by other players that were similar prospects.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Go for what did picks go for? I have this
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: player now and he was traded two years ago. What
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: was he traded for? And that's a really good way
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to understand what you have value wise and how you
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: can adopt or how you can change your team, whether
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you want to push it in a more competitive right
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: or try to acquire a few more future aspects. For
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it is, go through all the trades. Just keep going
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: through them, maybe limited to a few years if it's
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a really long standing league, because things change over time.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: But this will give you a much better understanding of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: what you're trying to are, the value of the players
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that you have or the players that you're trying to acquire,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and then throw out a couple of the outliers. Right,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: there's going to be some trades that just like, how
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the heck did this person go for three first round picks?
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And maybe I'll just eliminate that one from my understanding,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: so I know that one doesn't really make a whole,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: that one doesn't really mean anything when it comes to
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the overall value of the league. So just having that
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: understanding of value helps tremendously.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Definitely it does. I came into the thirty team and
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I had just taken over for a manager who I knew,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: who was one of the most fearsome prospect guys and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: traders that I've ever met, and the personality wise he
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: joined that league in about three months later he flamed
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: out of it, and at various points he's flamed out
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: of leagues that I did, but he was very good
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: at what he did. So I was taken over his team.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: He'd already started to rebuild the minor system in beautiful ways.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: And also when I came in, Barry gave me the
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: tip that the Fernando Tatis owner was interested in trading
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Tatis for Nick Simzel, who at the time was close
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: to the same level of prospect. So I made that
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: offer early and that helped. And then a couple of
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: years later, the guy who got the pick, the guy
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: the guy who had picked number three, offered me pick
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: number three that year and the first we Arelady knew
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: it was going to be the number one pick. The
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: following year for the number one pick that was going
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: to be Adli Rushman. So I ended up trading away
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: the pick that was going to be Adley Rushman, and
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I got Bobby Witt Junior and somebody else of that ILK.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I forget who it is now, but it was I
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: fell into a couple of trades in that league that
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: really boosted me up. So sometimes you just you hang around,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: you keep conversations going. But yeah, you look for the
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: teams that have pushed themselves up over the years, figure
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: out how they did it. Look for every little advantage,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: scrape for every little prospect. That's the great thing about
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: that league because there's seventy prospects per team. There's constantly
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: you constantly can dig and maybe find somebody way deep
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: down in the rankings. And a lot of those guys
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: have come in and been useful to me in the
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: long term more than you would think. Guys that I
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: picked up off the waiver wire in a league with
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: seventy team minor league rosters ended up starting games for
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: my team.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have some of the same similar experience, especially
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: in that league. Or I don't even know the names
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: of players, I'm just like, all right, they're available, let
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: me google them real quick, figure out what they're good at,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: put them in a little savant and see if it
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: maybe it's worth a snag. Right, And I have several players,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: is it Riley O'Brien for the Cardinals. He was one
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that I just randomly added during free agency for nothing. Wow. Yeah,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: And he's ended up being like one of the best
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: relief pictures in baseball right now. So he's working out wonder.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: It looks great now. But during free agency no one
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: else been on him. I was like, Okay, I'll take him.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: But I didn't know at the time, and that happens
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: so frequently. But I love that you said. Another thing
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: is that the communication that you have between the other managers.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: So that's something that I would also encourage when you're
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: joining an orphan is make sure to be open and
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: able to communicate because that makes everything so much better.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Instead of just sending wild trades and just sending something crazy,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: or even just sending a trade that's fine, I really
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: enjoy the conversation piece behind it, so you get to
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: know what's import aren't to other people, and just the
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: general niceties. I always say it on everything every time
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I've been on with you. I always say at the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: end is fantasy sports builds a great community, and you
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to get along with everybody. There's people that
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I don't really get along with great and people don't
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: always like my personality because I'm a degenerate in a
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: New Yorker and I'm gonna tell you so. Some people
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: don't like it, and it's fine. You don't have to
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: like it. But it's a really good thing to be
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: a part of a thriving community. And even from my
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: first days when I joined the Red Rock One, just
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, Craig was in there telling
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: me what he's offering. Welcome to the team, Matt Smith.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: She got me some messages recently, and as long as
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: you're honest and communicating, that's how you build really strong leagues.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And I wasn't ready. I would tell those people straight up, hey,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready yet. I gotta review the rules, I
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: gotta see trades. I got a potential lottery pick. I
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: don't want to make any commitments. Now. Get me back
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks when I'm a little bit
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: more acclimated and we could start talking to some shop
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: And those people have been super respectful and I love
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: having the conversation. So I'm here to learn a bunch
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: from some great people and continue to build that dynasty
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: family that we got together.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always, like I said, I have had to
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: recruit and fill a lot of orphans, and generally I
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: tell people, please wait a minute before you make trades,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: because there are sharks swimming in these waters. Sharks you
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: got to be careful and do do the study, like
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: what you've done Marcus, before you just start throwing stuff
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: out there. Because especially in things involving like salaries, contracts,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: scoring settings that you're not used to, draft pic settings
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: you're not used to, it's just so easy to make
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: a mistake, and they're so easy for people to pull
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: one over on you that you really have to kind
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: of take your time and get yourself, get yourself acclimated.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but it could be done.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I actually got one on that. I got one on that.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Usually my experiences are pretty positive, but I remember, I
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: won't say leagues or names or anything like that because
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I won't say it, but I traded a really top
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: end player in the league and I didn't get I
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: thought I got a really good return for it. A
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: couple of first and a couple of prospects, only to
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: find out that after it, if they don't re sign
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that player, they get a first round pick back, which
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: was essentially the same first that I got, because they
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: won the league with that player. And I was like, oh, man,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I got. Man, I would have
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: asked for more, and their response was welcome to the league,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: young guy. And I was like, dang, wow that one. Now, right,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: next time you want something from me, I'm expecting some
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: reparations from that trade, right, So we'll see what happens.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was one thing that kind of rubbed
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: me the wrong way at the time. But at the
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: same time, I made a move without knowing all the rules.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: And that's some of what you were just saying is
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: there's always sharks in the water, so you gotta watch out.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's one of the you can generally pick
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: that up by looking at those past trades, and especially
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: with hindsight, when you see those things three years later,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: if you're not all the way deep into the prospect
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: sphere and you look at it and years later it
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: was just, oh my gosh, how did he get that return?
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Which is not always what you So frequently you see
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: the trades and you're like, oh man, that was really
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: a that was really an uneven trade, and then it
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: turns out to be fine after a couple of years
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: because guys flame out. But then sometimes you see the
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: other side of that, Yeah, yeah, that could be a thing, but.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Everyone's done it. Though everybody's done it, it's nothing to
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: be ashamed of. Just you try not to be that person.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: But also you'd always like when you get a little
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: w in a trade sometimes, so everyone's been on both
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: parts of them, not always intentionally, but it does happen.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: And just like drafting the rookie drafts, when you're doing trading,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of people on the rebuild that there's
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: one rebuild that I entered this year, and I will
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: admit I'm struggling at it because this orphan team, there's
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: not a whole lot of trading going on, and I'm
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: looking at that league and saying, if I don't start
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: doing some trading, it's going to be really difficult to
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: do this rebuild. I'm almost just counting on my guys
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: the mature better than the other teams in the league.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: But I'm having difficulty breaking through on some of this trading.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: I'm still trying to crack the nut, but that is
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: difficult too. When you're doing an orphan rebuild, that's the
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: problem is you have to be careful not to be
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: taken advantage of. But you're also probably gonna have to
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: make moves if you take over an orphan that's not
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: very good.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes that's the difficulty, right, So you
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: really hope that you have an active person that will
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: be willing to take the next steps, and it's okay
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: to take over a team that's not good. Some of
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: it is that internal pride of you take over a
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: really bad team. I took over a fantasy hockey team,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a thirty two team league, and I got we do
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: four matchups per week, and I went oh in eighty
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: four my first season, and it was intended. I was like,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna my team is really bad, I'm gonna acquire
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: draft picks, I'm going to acquire prospects. I'm not gonna
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep my prospects in the minors. So I
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: had some people and that was the Connor Badard year.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm gonna go and get the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: worst record and get Connor Badard, and then I didn't
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: read the rules well enough and realize that it was
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: it was based on the actual draft lottery for the NHL,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and I didn't end up getting Connor Badar, so I
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm never leaving this the
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: chance again. So the next year I went four and eighty,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: so we stopped progress, and then I made the playoffs
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the following year. So I always tried to limit myself
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: to two years. Collect assets that you can trade away
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: instead of just collecting late round picks, get value out
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: of them so that way you know they can move
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: and you don't have to rely on all the way
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: in mixed bag, right, and get that mixed bag so
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you can still move liquid assets as well as wait
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: for some prospects to develop. So it worked out. Hurt
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: a little, but not I don't even want Connor. I'll
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: get rid of them everywhere if you haven't noticed.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Because you're in salary leagues, because you're in salary leagues.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: And Connor just got signed for pretty big money, right.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: He took a decent deal though it's like fifteen that
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: was not bad compared to.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, relative to the rest of the league. Right now,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: it's brutal, but in the long term, it's less than
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: he probably could have got. So yeah, it turns out. Yeah, yeah,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: it's a good deal. It's how Web and Yama's deal
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: is going to be good. He's still going to get
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: the max, not quite the max in hockey, but he's
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: going to be way above most of his peers. But
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: that's just because he's signing now while the CAP's going up,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: and then other people will surpass him. But yeah, man,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: all right, any last thoughts. We've gone and kind of talk.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: This is the fundamental dynasty topic, right, we're really getting
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: into the very core of what it means to play
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Dynasty sports. Any more thoughts that you want to share
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: with the people.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: No, I think that's a good start. Just really understand
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the league itself, how to be successful, the rules behind
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: all of the components be try to interpret him as
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: best that you can with positive intent. Get to know
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: your peers, get to know the league history. If you're
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: taking over orphans, and then remember the goal is to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: try to win, right, We're going in fantasy to win,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: so you have to be able to flip that switch
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: at some point and your plan should always include a
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: how can I eventually win? Right? And no matter if
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: you set a goal or set a plan, maybe two
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: years isn't for everybody, right, Maybe everyone's going to try
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: to compete every single year, and that's okay too. It
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: really depends on how you want to do it and
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the time that you can allocate and the resources that
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: you already have in order to make that happen. But
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I'm already noticing in the Red Rocks League people have
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: no picks for the next thirty years, right, and they're
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: going to compete every year essentially, And that's okay, right,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: because that's what they want to do. And fantasy is
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: supposed to be fun. So if you have guys that
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: you want to go out go and get your guys,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: pay what you want to pay. You got to live
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: with that at the end of the day. So as
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: long as you're having fun, that's literally the entire point.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: So go out there, continue to meet your Fantasy league mates,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: build those relationships, and just enjoy solid game.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, thanks Marcus. This is this has
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: been a good topic. People have questions or topics they
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: want to bring up. I'm sure Marcus and I would
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: love to talk about them or questions related to this,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: because this is really yeah, this is the topic when
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: it comes to Dynasty sports. We'll have weeks where we
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: talk about some players too, But I enjoy having this conversation.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on once again, Marcus. Was that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: your plug or do you have other things you want
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: to plug for people? Because I know it's not your
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: social media accounts.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Now, I don't do social media. Even though you made
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: me make a Twitter account, Jesse, I will refuse to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: ever use it or x or whatever it's called. Get
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: off my lawn kind of a thing. Not about that life.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: But I appreciate you having me on here in flexing
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: my bona fides for my ESPN and my my Fox moments.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: But now it's always a pleasure. I really do appreciate
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you having me on here. Man. It's always a lot
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: of fun. So thank you. All right, and the end
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: of the day, remember be Kevin.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: We'll leave it on that you guys get something out
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: of that. I enjoyed it. This is obviously a great topic.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what Marcus and I talked about
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: what to talk about today. We had twenty topics. This
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: was and I told the Marcus. We got to save
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: some of the good stuff, but I think we gave
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: you one that you'll appreciate. You can find me if
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: that's what you're looking for at Fantasy Hockey Life. I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: do a podcast there with Victor Nunio where we talk
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: about Dynasty Fantasy Hockey in particular. Marcus is part of
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: that whole operation as well, playing along. And you can
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: also read me at Baseball HQ, where I write every
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: other week on baseball prospects and the write up in
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: their annual prospect Guide. I think I'm going to be
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: coming back to do that this year, so that'll be
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: a cool one. And you can thank the boys that
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: end this league for hosting and post on this show.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Thank you for listening, everybody. I hope you enjoyed everything
• 1:01:57
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• 1:02:00
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• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: good luck with all your dynasty and fantasy leagues.