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Sleepy Hollow · The Art of Costume Podcast

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I would expect you, if you were going to murder me, to dress up
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for the occasion as well, you know.
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Oh, I'll dress up for the occasion, don't worry.
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Here, drink this tea I brought for no apparent reason.
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Hello and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm Elisa Joy Glass. And I'm your residence, Village
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Creeper Spencer van Tassel. Hello, Elizabeth.
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Hello, Village Creeper. How are you?
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How's Spooky Season treating you?
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Spooky season's treating me well, mostly because I just saw
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the Taylor Swift concert movie last night.
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So that was. That was great, but then we went
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to like this British pub that was a little bit spooky but also
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far too loud, 'cause they had live music.
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And like the size of this place could have fit into our
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apartment, what that we shared back in the day, it was so tiny.
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Wait, I have a question though, How the Taylor Swift concert in
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theaters could not have been very quiet.
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I mean, was everyone singing and dancing?
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Not as much as I had hoped for. Come on, Swifties.
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Elizabeth was looking for an experience.
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Yeah, I mean, like, there were, there were a lot of, like,
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little kids in the theater who did at points like like fully
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break out into song and that those parts were good.
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But I was sat next to a very angsty teen who like.
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Spent the majority of the movie like curled up into a ball on
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their seat. All right so so that was
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interesting. And like the theater had like
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Taylor Swift themed cocktails. So I got They had one called the
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Lavender Craze. So I'm sitting up now.
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Very good, very good if you go to a regal with a bar.
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Excellent choice. Those movie theater bars, man,
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they know how to serve it up. They do, and my bartender was so
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nice. They didn't take long to make my
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drink at all, but they handed it to me and they're like, sorry it
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took me so long. It's my first day and I was like
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not at all. Don't worry about it.
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Also, kind of say probably not the best first day if it's when
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the Taylor Swift movie comes out.
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Yeah, I I felt bad, felt bad for them.
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But I had this, and the teen I was sitting next to, their mom
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was like, oh, that looks good. Like, what is it?
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And I was like, oh, it's the lavender craze.
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Da, da, da. And you know when you're a
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teenager and your parents, like, interact with strangers?
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Yeah, you're like, don't talk to them.
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Yeah, she like this kid totally had one of those moments and I
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was like to be a teenager again. Wait, but you brought your mom
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too, right? That you?
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I did. Because your mom's a big Swifty
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also. Yeah, she had a great time.
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That makes me happy to hear. Yeah, it was so much fun.
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Oh man, that's so fun. I'm jealous.
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I haven't. You know, I've just been at home
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watching spooky movies. You know, watch what we're about
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to talk about. I'm going to the graveyard
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tonight to watch another spooky movie.
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So. What movie?
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You know, I don't even know. It's something our friend sent
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to us. It's like definitely like a low
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budget horror movie. What are you?
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Dealing with. I'll tell you after.
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OK. Our friends.
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I'm interesting. OK, OK.
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But I'm gonna be in the cemetery watching spooky movie, probably
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drinking spooky drinks. So you know, that's what the
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season's all about. It is.
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I'm also really annoyed I never did that while I was living in
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Los Angeles. I feel like I missed something.
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It's only. Really gotten big like the past
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two or three years, I would say. So next time we come out, I
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mean, they do it year round now, so yeah.
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Next time. Next time we come out, movies
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are just better in a cemetery. And Speaking of, I could think
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of a really cool movie. I wish I could watch it on
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Cemetery. It is Sleepy Hollow, Elizabeth.
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Yes. Oh my gosh.
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That would be a perfect graveyard movie.
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Oh. My goodness.
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Oh my gosh, I love this movie. I can't believe I've never seen
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it. Neither can I 'cause it's very
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you. It's very.
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That's all I kept thinking about the entire time.
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Even the cast. I was like, Oh my gosh, like I
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love all these people. Of the costumes, I think Johnny
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Depp is fantastic in it. It's just all this whole movie
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was so good. It's like, honestly, I think
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this is one of his best roles. I think it's like Captain Jack
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Sparrow and then Ichabod Kareem. Personally, that's just me.
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But it's funny to say that, because I felt like Johnny Depp
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was getting into the Captain Jack Sparrow mannerisms a little
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bit like this feels like. Early kind of working out the
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Jack Sparrow mannerisms. Well, 'cause this came out in 99
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and Pirates of the Caribbean came out in like 01.
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That's that's great. I don't know for sure, but that
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sounds right. Something like early early
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2000s. So, OK, yeah, you know, he's
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working it out and it just, it works really well.
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Oh man, this was great in the costumes.
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I can't wait to talk about them. There were so many good ones.
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So excited, so excited. Spencer give us the summary all.
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Right as Detective Inspector Ichabod Crane struggles to bring
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science to a superstitious world, he is set to investigate
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a string of mysterious murders in the town of Sleepy Hollow,
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challenging his worldview and uncovering memories he'd
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forgotten. And that is Sleepy Hollow.
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That is Sleepy Hollow, if you haven't seen it.
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Go watch it. It's streamable somewhere, I
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honestly don't remember where. I think it was Max.
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Yeah, I think so. I don't know why this just
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strikes me as such, like a Disney movie, even though it's
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very much not it's. Very much not, but I believe I
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watched it on Max. Anyway, go watch it.
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It's a lot, a lot of fun. And going behind the wardrobe,
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we have director Tim Burton and costume designer Colleen Atwood.
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The goat. The goat.
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Yes, and you'll know her work from Edward Scissorhands,
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Silence of the Lambs, Mars Attacks Little Women from 1994,
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for which she got her first Oscar nomination.
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Big Fish and Memoirs of a Geisha.
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She got her second Oscar win My Chemical Romances.
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Welcome to the Black Parade music video.
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So it is a notable work of her sponsor.
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It's. Funny that We always make sure
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to include that every time we talk about Colleen.
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That is a cultural touchstone. No, I I agree with you.
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OK, and you just laugh every single time I bring it up. 3D
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Todd Alice in Wonderland, another Oscar win, Fantastic
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Beasts and Where to Find Them where she got another Oscar win.
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And today we have watched, obviously, Sleepy Hollow, which
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is one of her many Oscar nominations.
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Very well deserved. She kills it.
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I and I love the costumes in this movie because they really
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take, it's interesting. They've take almost like a back
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seat where we've talked about this before.
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Sometimes great costume design, Kind of.
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Blends into the world where you just feel really immersed in it,
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and I feel like these costumes are just very immersive.
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But then Colleen does this genius thing where when the
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costumes need to have their moment though, she really packs
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a punch. And there's a few specific
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costumes I can think of that you see them, You're like, oh uh oh,
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like Colleen Atwood's here. They really do.
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And it's like the overall look of the film is so flawless, like
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everyone worked together so perfectly, like.
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They got like multiple nominations and wins across like
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a ton of different awards specifically for like the
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cinematography, the set design, just because it all works so
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wonderfully. And she hasn't talked too much
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for Sleepy Hollow. But she did do a interview with
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Hello Giggles a little while ago, where she did talk about
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Sleepy Hollow and working with Tim Burton.
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First she was asked if she was nostalgic for like any of the
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work she'd done, and Colleen said to Hello Giggles.
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It's funny, there's a movie I did a long time ago called
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Sleepy Hollow that I did with Tim Burton, and I hadn't seen it
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for years. It was recently on television
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and I watched it and I thought I had such a nice time making all
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those costumes. I did a lot of painting and
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things I hadn't done before while costuming for that movie.
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I guess Sleepy Hollow would be a current nostalgic 1 for me.
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Oh, I love that. Yeah.
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Can you imagine watching on TV like, oh man, I did this movie
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like, that's so cool to. Just like be able to, like look
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at everything on the screen and be like, oh, I remember that
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fitting. I remember when we couldn't get
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this to work and like that was the solution we came up with,
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right? I just had a good idea, Spencer.
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Daniel cut this out. Yeah, OK.
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Anyway, Daniel cut that out. We don't need certain people
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stealing our ideas. Yeah, but that's it's just so
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nice. And I also love how she talks
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about her collaboration with Tim Burton.
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She said to Hello. Giggles.
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There's a certain kind of freedom working with Tim because
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he's the guy that lets everybody go crazy.
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He's really appreciative of what other people do, so you always
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want to do something special for him.
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I yeah, I love that. Yeah.
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And she also talked a little bit more about how she's like, yeah,
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he lets everybody like come to him with like their ideas.
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It's like, yes, he has a very like specific vision and
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aesthetic. But he's also like, OK, like,
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what do you have for me, which I'm like, that's the beauty of
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filmmaking. And it's like, that's why you
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can't have AI make movies. And I I love that too, because
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we've talked about Tim Burton specifically a lot on this
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podcast Now. You know, we just had Aggie
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Rodgers on the podcast and she said you would think like movies
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like Beetlejuice and Sleepy Hollow and, you know, Pee Wee's
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Big Adventure and Mars Attacks at.
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He has a very specific vision, which he does.
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But he has so much trust for the people that he works with, like
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Colleen Atwood and Aggie Rogers, who he would come to them with
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these, you know, ideas and they would still run wild with it and
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still be within the vision of Tim Burton.
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And when I interviewed Colleen Atwood about Wednesday earlier
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this year, which was insane, and you could all listen to it, you
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could feel in a way that she talked like, yeah, this was.
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Tim Burton was on that project and still it was like, this is I
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want you to do what you do best. Colleen Atwood, which is being
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Colleen Atwood. And yeah, they just all work so
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well together. And if you know, I definitely
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want Colleen on a podcast again, especially when Beetlejuice 2
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comes out, we got to ask her some Sleepy Hollow questions.
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Oh, yes. Oh yes, absolutely.
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We're coming for you, Colleen. Yeah.
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But before we dive into Sleepy Hollow, let's take a little
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break. Let's do it.
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I need to go check on my horse before he jumps into any trees,
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so. I'm I'm sure you do.
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That's a big concern out in out in California.
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Lots of bushes and trees to jump into.
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Spencer. I am so ready, Elizabeth.
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There's so many costumes, so let's just dive into it,
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starting with our main guy. Yes, I saw this.
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I saw Johnny Depp as a Kebab Crane and I was like, this just
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gives me Spencer Energy like all black.
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Very sleek, very simple, but like a bold statement.
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You know what I was, I was kind of thinking the same thing.
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But I was like, I dare not say this about myself.
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Because me, I'm like. He's giving very Spencer energy
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talking about at this time one of the world's most popular
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actors of the time, you know, But it's true, Ichabod Crane is
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like he's kind of goth, but he's also like in a ways very shy and
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not too, he's not too into himself.
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So it's very kind of understated, but still very put
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together in a way. Yeah, he's definitely.
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He does not have a lot of social skills.
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He's definitely very introverted.
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But he's also somebody who's very serious about the work that
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he does, and nobody takes him seriously.
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So I feel like he feels the need to dress very just like,
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starkly, no nonsense, because especially at the time, like,
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it. This is supposed to be what,
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like 1799 or something? Yeah.
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So at the time, like even in men's fashion, it was like a lot
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of pattern. Color frills like and.
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He's got none of that. His boots are the only thing
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with color. Right, which is interesting too.
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You would think this would be a challenge.
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I think we talked about this actually when we did Sweeney
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Todd. It's a very dark like film, like
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literally it's very dark and it's always cloudy.
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So for him to wear all black, you would think that'd be like a
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challenge. How do we get him to stand out?
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And he'd do it with. The way they like do like the
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piping and the lining, just like very little notes that help it
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pop out in the environment and it really works.
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And one thing I like about this, there's a lot of like, still
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shots of like the costumes on mannequins.
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And I love because like, you can see more of the detail and it's
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like, I feel like every piece is like a slightly different
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texture as well. At least that's what it looks
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like. So, like, while it's all, like
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generally the same shade of black.
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It plays a little bit different, so you can see the distinctions.
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Yeah, it's a good one. And I thought Johnny Depp was
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really great in this. I for some reason because I've
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never seen this, I had this idea it's gonna be like a very
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romantic movie and Johnny Depp was gonna be like in serious
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Johnny Depp mode, which I he's a serious actor.
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But there was a little bit of like light hearted comedy to his
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approach I would say, which I was excited about once I
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actually started watching. It.
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Oh, yeah, I also. So I as I was watching this, I
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mean, I think the timelines are maybe a little bit off, but I
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was like, I feel like Ichabod would end up being the person
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investigating Sweeney Todd string of murders because.
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Both films had like a very similar vibe, except for when it
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came to Katrina von Tassel, played by a very young Christina
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Ricci. Right, so cute.
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I actually had to look it up yesterday.
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I think she's actually like 19 at this point.
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She looks like, oh, really? She looks like a very young 19.
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Yeah, I thought like, maybe she was like 1617.
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Yeah, like that's like the age range.
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I was thinking in my head, but I'm like maybe that's just her
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age range in the. Movie probably, honestly, but
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stunningly beautiful. Yes, absolutely.
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Especially like I like this first look of hers that like.
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The pink, creamy like orange dress she's wearing at the party
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'cause it's just the exact opposite of Ichabod completely.
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It's like the exact opposite of anything we've seen so far, an
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entire film. She just, like, appears like the
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radiant sun and like, of course Ichabod's like instantly struck
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by her because she's the only thing that seems like alive in
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this town at this point. Oh yeah, and yeah, it's just it
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works so well. She's just glowing and.
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I mean, talk about that costume though, the detail on it, the
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construction. Yes.
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Very exquisite. And I love how Colleen, through
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the costume, made her a very romantic character cause like,
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within the character herself, like, yes.
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Like at the beginning she's going after, like, it looks like
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she's about to, like, get engaged to that one guy.
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Yeah. Before Ichabod shows up.
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But it's like she she's like a witchy witch, like she's like
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out to do her own thing. But then through the costume,
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especially this blue velvet Cape with the I think they're painted
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on roses like instantly becomes this like romantic heroine like
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on her White Horse. That Cape took my breath away.
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When she shows up on the horse, that was, I've seen this
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costume, you know, in pictures before, 100,000 times when she
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appeared and I was like woof, like she was giving Arwen vibes
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when she came out of the woods just glowing.
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And a detail of the roses on the Cape is just so beautiful.
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It just stood out so well. Oof.
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Yeah, that's that's a fire costume.
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It is and also one of her last costumes which is this like Gray
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and blue number where when she passes out in the church.
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She passed out a lot. She did pass out a lot.
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Now that I'm thinking about it. Corsets.
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Though like there was not sufficient oxygen going to any
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anyone who wore corset. Their brains were not working
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100%. I'm not.
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Where do you put it that way. That makes sense.
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But yeah, any time like something bad happens, she's
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like, later, yeah. It's all the corsets fault.
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She has a check. Check the how tightly that is
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made in the back. Anyway, I love the detail on
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this one 'cause it looks like it's maybe like a raw silk
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within this like beautiful pattern that when she does pass
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out. That like overhead shot with the
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way the skirt is like splayed out, it's so perfect.
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Yeah, the the Sheen on it is so beautiful and you could tell
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that there's like a texture to it.
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And I also, what I appreciate too, is that it's dirty, you
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know, because you know, a lot of sometimes we don't always pay
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attention to the things that make the costumes feel lived in,
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which I talked about a little bit earlier, that this felt very
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immersive. If you look at the bottom of a
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lot of the dresses are all covered in dirt as they're
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walking through this quite dirty little town, very muddy, and you
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could just really see, like the movement of the dirt and the
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texture throughout the dress. It's just perfect.
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It really is another perfectly costumed character.
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We have Lady Van Hassel, played by Miranda Richardson, who was
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just so flawless I forgot how like, late in the game they
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reveal she's the murderer. Yeah, I I honestly, at one point
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I was like, I was trying to figure out who could have been,
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you know, was saying all this up.
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And I did think about her for a second, but I was like, no, I
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don't know. She hasn't really been in this
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as much. And you'd be surprised to know
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Elizabeth, you would think that this would be one of my favorite
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characters. I bet you were probably thinking
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that. But she was not this time.
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The evil witch witch. She wasn't on my top list.
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Good to know, good to know. But I do love Colleen.
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Puts her in a lot of this, like. Black swirling like detail work.
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And it's so beautiful. Especially that dress she wears
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when she murders her sister like, Oh my goodness, so she she
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dressed up for the occasion. Yeah, absolutely.
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And then she Especially you. If you're gonna murder me to
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dress up for the occasion as well, you know so.
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I'll dress up for the occasion, don't worry, should that ever
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you know. Should it ever be required?
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I'm like, oh, Elizabeth, you look really.
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Classy. I'm like, you look really great
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today. I mean, like, yeah.
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Anyways. Here, drink this tea I brought
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for no apparent reason. Oh, we have to talk about that
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dress that she wore with the man.
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I only know how to describe it, but it's when they're in the
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woods and she finally reveals her evil plan with like, the
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black overlay. Maybe like NIST?
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Crocheted netting, Yeah. Is so beautiful, and especially
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because like at first you're like, is this like?
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It almost just looks like something patterned, but no,
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it's a complete overlay over the whole thing and like the way
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it's very heavy. Yeah, yeah.
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But the way it works with like the white underneath and then
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even just like the tiny bit of like like, I think it's like
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sequin and lace detailing just at the top, just like a little
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like. A little drop of it.
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It's so perfect and it's definitely her.
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Like yesterday is the day of my Triumph dress.
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Today is D-Day. Yeah, that.
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I love that costume. I've never really seen anything
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like that before. I thought it was very
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interesting and she just looked when I saw her.
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And then now looking back at all the costumes, I don't know how
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it was it obvious that she was the murderous witch the entire
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time? You know, 'cause all her
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costumes scream murderous witch, but it just doesn't come
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together until she comes out in this costume in particular.
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'Cause I feel like she's hardly in it till the last, like, half
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hour, 45 minutes. Yeah, she's just like very short
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parts here and there. So I mean, good, Good job, Tim
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Burton, you really had me going there.
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I thought it was one of the million annoying men who lived
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in this village. No, shockingly not.
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They do kind of get you thinking It might be The Crone, though,
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also played by Miranda Richardson.
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Cause the The Witch and the Crone are clearly twin sisters.
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Oh, I didn't even know that until now.
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I think, yeah, I'm like 99% sure they're twin sisters.
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They look like twins. I love their introduction into
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this. When they're just like the kids
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in the wood that like make it so the Headless Horseman can't,
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can't get away. Oh my gosh.
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Shit, they snapped a little stick.
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I was kind of mad. I was like you little.
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How dare you? Hey.
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She knew he was up to no good. She knew.
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But I I do love the Crohn's gown that she's just wearing in her
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tree Hut. Oh yeah, that was cool.
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It's so beautiful and I love how it shines.
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I love the shine out of it, but I also love, like, how it looks
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like decay and like roots. Almost like it looks like she's
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been obviously living in distress for her, probably ever
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and ever. It just feels like she's growing
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into the environment and the nature of it all.
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If you look like just like at the lines in it, it's very
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interesting it. Is very interesting.
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Also in this film, there were like quite a few children, and
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Colleen talked at length to Hello Giggles about working with
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child actors saying. The child actors are wearing
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these clothes for long hours and modern everyday clothing is for
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children is very comfortable. So when you put kids in period
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clothing, they're not used to wearing leather shoes all day.
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They're not used to wearing pants made out of wool, even if
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it's lined. They're used to their comfort
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wear and I always take that into consideration with them.
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Because they're children, when they're working during breaks,
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they go to school. So I design clothes they can
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change out of quickly, so they're not going to school in
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their costumes. Also, for kids, you have a lot
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of multiples for them because during the course of the movie,
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they grow while they're shooting.
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Oh man. Which I was like, wow, you
26:21
really like. Do your work 'cause like I
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wouldn't have thought like, OK, like.
26:26
This. I don't know how these girls are
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maybe, like, what, five? I wouldn't think, like, OK, this
26:32
shoot is like three to six months.
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OK, Yeah, they're going to grow like 2 inches.
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And like, I would not have thought of that that, like, oh,
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you have to account for the fact that they're still growing.
26:44
And like, no, they're not used to wearing these kind of
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clothes, right? I love the, I love how she
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described that. Just like modern clothing is so
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much more different than period clothing.
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So especially if you're a kid, you'd be like, what?
26:56
What is all of this and why is it taking so long to get in and
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out of this? It's also very not comfortable.
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I feel like even me, if I had upon some period clothing, I'd
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be like, I miss my sweatpants, You know, it's it's.
27:09
Definitely a bit of a struggle. I also imagine it was.
27:17
A bit of a struggle for Christopher Walken to get in and
27:21
out of his horseman costume. That was some.
27:27
That was an incredible costume. I loved looking at the detail of
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that. I just was so distracted by it
27:33
being. I have to admit though, I was
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distracted by it being Christopher Walken.
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He's very scary looking in this, but the whole time I just, I was
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hoping he was gonna talk in his, like, Christopher Walken accent.
27:44
And I never got it. And that's probably for good
27:46
reason. Yeah.
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Oh yeah. Like the Horseman is not trying
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to talk. He like, makes noises, but he's
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not talking. It's always like blah with the
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sharp teeth. I I I love this especially
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'cause I'm like. I don't think I've ever seen
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anything like quite like this before this movie.
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But since this movie, I'm like, I feel like I've seen things
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that have probably been inspired by this.
28:20
Yeah, 'cause, like, I even think of like the Dracula Untold.
28:23
Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
28:26
Which I'm like. I almost feel like that armor is
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a mix of this and the Bram Stoker Dracula armor.
28:34
That's funny. That's what I was kind of
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thinking too, because it almost looks like there's a dragon on
28:38
the front of the armor. I I can't really tell what it
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is, but something with teeth. So I think of a dragon which you
28:46
know is very closely associated with Dracula, but there's also
28:49
like little hints of red in it too.
28:51
But there's so many different textiles and patterns happening
28:54
in a horseman's armor. Just looking at the sleeves or
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the Cape, there's like, there's one textile, there's another in
29:02
a chest, but then the collar is there's a lot happening and it
29:06
works. So I would love to see this
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costume in person. I bet you it's so interesting to
29:10
look at. Oh yeah, I'm sure it is.
29:13
Another costume I would honestly love to see in person is Lady
29:19
Crane's blue dress, played by Lisa Marie.
29:24
It This is so gorgeous and like the way it was filmed makes it
29:29
look so much darker than it actually is.
29:32
It's a beautiful dress. That neckline was just like it
29:37
could not be any more perfect. It hit exactly where it need to
29:40
be. Lisa Marie looks so beautiful.
29:43
This is this will be the second time Colleen worked with Lisa
29:47
Marie because Lisa Marie was in Mars attack.
29:49
She plays the Martian girl that Colleen worked with, another
29:53
favorite iconic costume of mine. So when I looked at the cast
29:57
list and saw Lisa Marie, I was like jumping up and down, like
29:59
waiting for her moment. Not a great role.
30:03
This was very spooky. It was very sad watching her
30:07
scenes. And I I was reading some, like,
30:11
analysis of, like her dress and it's like, yeah, like she's this
30:15
like, witchy woman of like the earth.
30:19
But of course, 'cause it was a terrible time, I'm sure she was
30:21
forced to marry the local priest.
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So it's very, like, bound up tight, like, and very simple,
30:30
'cause it was like, oh, can't be too flashy as like the pastor's
30:34
wife, I'm sure, But it's very telling of her character,
30:39
especially because, you know, we don't get to see her that much.
30:44
And I love the embroidered detail at the bottom.
30:49
Like, that's the most beautiful part to me, right?
30:52
Yeah, that's I've, I missed it the first time.
30:54
But looking at these detail shots, yeah, there is like some
30:57
great embroidery to it. Yeah, we didn't really get as
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much time if this costume as I would have liked.
31:03
But when you do see it, it really, it really packs a punch.
31:08
Oh yeah, and another dress we get to see for even the smallest
31:14
amount of time ever. But I think probably every
31:17
single person. Knows about is Katrina's final
31:24
dress when she goes to New York with Ichabod.
31:27
Oh yeah, the black and white stripe dress.
31:30
I was waiting and waiting for this dress.
31:33
I've never even seen it before. I love it because it's very much
31:38
like, like I mentioned earlier, it's the movie's very subtle in
31:42
a way that they use their costumes, but then when there's
31:44
the moments for their costume, they really take advantage of
31:47
it. This one to me just like was the
31:49
final costume punch. And it just also is very calling
31:53
that with Tim Burton with like, we have the black and white
31:57
stripe, which is like a calling card for Tim Burton.
32:01
It's like Katrina, kind of like starting to explore, but now
32:04
she's gaining to a little bit of like she's becoming.
32:08
I don't know if they're married at this point, but her and
32:10
Ichabod are together, so she kind of puts aside her colors
32:14
going into the gothiness of it. I love it.
32:17
It's so cool. I think it's especially like,
32:20
oh, I'm going to the big modern city, like, let me, let me dress
32:24
the part, right. She's going to New York, right?
32:26
So she's like, you know, getting ready for New York Fashion Week
32:30
in 1800. And it just looks so cool.
32:34
I love this costume. It was worth the wait.
32:37
It absolutely was. And it's the perfect costume to
32:41
end both the movie and our episode on.
32:45
It's so fun. It's so good.
32:46
I finally got to see it. Can you just say how cool it was
32:49
that I thought the cast was phenomenal.
32:52
There was so many great actors, one after the other.
32:55
The fact that we had Emperor Palpatine, Saruman and Albus
33:01
Dumbledore in the same movie together was pretty wild to me.
33:05
It was like I couldn't get over it.
33:10
I was shocked when I watched this and Mr. Dursley showed up.
33:13
I was like, Sir, you don't believe in magic.
33:19
Just like every single character was some sort of established
33:22
actor, which was incredible. And even like, even the kid
33:29
actor who plays young Maspeth, this was his first film.
33:34
But he's gone on to do so much, So much, so much.
33:39
I love this movie. I'm so glad we finally got to
33:41
watch it, Elizabeth. I'm glad that we talked about
33:44
this a year ago and just held on to it.
33:48
Me too. Spencer Are you ready to play
33:51
our favorite game? I am.
33:53
I have been trying to figure out what your one costume Rule Them
33:56
All is and I just, I feel like there's so many options so I
33:59
don't really know I'm ready. The one costume to rule them
34:06
all. Spencer What's your one costume
34:12
to rule them all? I struggled for the majority of
34:15
the film. I didn't know what it would be
34:18
until the very last 15 seconds when Katrina appears in that
34:23
black and white stripe costume. I immediately scratched all my
34:26
options off the piece of paper and was like, Yep, that's the
34:29
one that's my one costume with them all.
34:32
It's so easy, just it just feels like a Direct Line between
34:35
Colleen Atwood and Tim Burton. It's just very the construction
34:39
of it is very beautiful. There's so much detail to it.
34:42
There's a lot of like, great trims on it, but I just can't
34:45
get over the stripe. It just feels so cool and like
34:48
almost like a little out of place for the period a little
34:51
bit. It's a little too fun, which is
34:53
why I love it, because it's like the like the grand finale dress
34:57
where Colleen, Atwood and Timber and just were like, do you know
34:59
what, Let's just give them the whole Razzle dazzle and send
35:01
them to the credits with this last.
35:07
Spencer I gotta say, like, I could not agree more.
35:09
Really. It's my one costume to rule them
35:12
all. Oh man, I honestly didn't see
35:15
that coming. It's like it's the costume, at
35:20
least I think of when I think of this film.
35:23
And I think it's the costume a lot of people think of not only
35:27
for Sleepy Hollow, but for Tim Burton in general.
35:30
Because it's definitely, it's definitely like.
35:34
The black and white stripe that's like iconic for him, from
35:38
Beetlejuice to you know to Wednesday.
35:42
Like stripes, particularly black and white.
35:45
Though it's not always that they feature prominently and.
35:50
It's shocking. And how many different ways they
35:52
can be used. Yeah.
35:53
Well, I love that they keep taking creative approaches on
35:56
the stripe though. They never just stick with us,
35:58
you know, the straight up black and white stripe.
36:01
Like, you know, when I talked to Colleen how she even talked
36:03
about this, she said something like, you know, we've done the
36:07
stripe before. So in Wednesday they kind of
36:09
like faded out the stripe and they made it like black and Gray
36:12
and they painted it on the fabric.
36:14
So it kind of had a fade to it. So you know, I love that and the
36:19
stripes just make me happy. Elizabeth, that was a good one
36:23
costume rule of them all, especially because we agreed on
36:26
the same one. So I agree with you, but if you
36:29
all don't agree, I I mean, for example, honorary mention was
36:32
probably the Cape with the roses on it and that's probably some
36:35
people's favorite. If you want us know what your
36:39
one costume rule of them all is, make sure you leave us a
36:41
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36:46
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36:49
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36:51
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36:55
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36:57
on the podcast. Yeah.
36:59
And Spencer, what do we have in store for next week?
37:03
Oh man, I I'm very excited. We already told some people
37:07
about it. I even told the crowd at Comic
37:10
Con. I've been very excited for this
37:13
costume 'cause it has been about probably a year and a half in
37:17
the making. Absolutely.
37:21
We are returning to our favorite place, Crimson Peak.
37:27
Yes, but this time we're not going alone.
37:31
We are finally sitting down with our good friend, costume
37:36
designer Kate Hawley to talk about her experience and I am
37:41
just so excited for you all to hear this conversation.
37:44
I I am so excited. This was such a dream come true
37:48
for me and Spencer and like that that episode's still one of my
37:54
favorite that we've ever done the original.
37:57
And then to have her. Come on and be able to tell us
38:01
so much more. Was just such a tree, Such a
38:04
tree. I was so excited.
38:05
We we've been working out for a while because we were originally
38:08
gonna have her on last spooky season I think our last
38:12
Halloween episode and I mean she's like a full time legendary
38:17
costume designer. So she was working on this film
38:19
and this film and that show and that show.
38:21
So, you know, like Lord of the Rings, Rings of Power and stuff
38:25
like that. Just like small little projects.
38:27
Yeah, so we got it. And you're all going to love it.
38:32
This is coming out on Halloween, by the way.
38:35
So I'm so excited. For real.
38:37
It's going to be the best Halloween ever.
38:39
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38:43
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39:15
Thank you all so much for listening, and I'm so excited to
39:18
talk to you all again on the Halloween Get your costumes
39:21
ready. Elizabeth, do you have a
39:22
costume? We talk about this every year.
39:24
For some reason, we haven't talked about our costumes.
39:27
That's 'cause, like, I'm I, I, I don't have any, like, plans for
39:31
Halloween this year. Shockingly, Yeah, me too.
39:35
Like it's it's been a bit of a year.
39:38
Yeah, It's been a bit of a year and.
39:42
I I don't have anything planned. Oh, but I if anything comes up,
39:47
I think I know what I'm gonna do, 'cause she's just pulling
39:52
out fabric. Oh.
39:55
Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's always coming.
39:59
She has AI am a Kenneth Sweatshirt so.
40:03
I am Kenneth. So I was like, you know what
40:06
That A blonde wig. I'm good to go.
40:10
Elizabeth's came into Barbie season, which is all year.
40:13
This year. The Way of Barbie is a life.
40:17
Spencer. No, I know.
40:18
I get which Speaking of, we have something to talk about
40:21
regarding Barbie. But for all of you, enjoy your
40:25
week. We will see you on Halloween.
40:28
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41:30
Hello, and welcome to the Arctic Costume Blog cast.
41:31
I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I am Spencer Van Tassel.
41:35
Like, yeah, Spencer. OK, I'll do that again.
41:40
You can do that one more time. I got confused about my own
41:46
name. OK.
41:51
I'm still drinking coffee. I said the wrong name.
41:58
I said Blogcast. Oops.
41:59
Oh, man. All right, one more time.