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A Friend, A Sheriff, & A Murder: Who Killed Eric Tamiyasu? · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Well look at that, this fucking guy, Don Dixon, after the helpful friend following his
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unfortunate discovery shared something else of interest regarding Eric's private life,
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but he thought my provide illumination in the case.
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He said that Eric had recently told him about a new relationship that he had struck up,
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supposedly with a Polynesian woman, who happened to be married.
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Oh no!
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Hi Cassie.
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Hi Caitlyn.
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Hi Creepy people.
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Oh hello!
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where...
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What is it that we do again?
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I'm just kidding.
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We chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
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Or the PNW.
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If you're nasty.
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Oh, we did that good.
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That was good.
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I didn't know you were joining me.
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I felt I was feeling it.
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I feel like that's probably about the same as when you're in one of those churches, you
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know, and people feel the spirit.
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I felt your spirit, for sure, your nasty spirit.
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My nice spirit.
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What else do we do here?
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Oh, I think we do some tarot reading at the end of every episode.
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For a little deeper insight into our topic.
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All right.
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Should we get into it?
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I...
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Yeah.
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Let's do it.
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I'm ready.
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Let's go.
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Okay, great.
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Your enthusiasm is as per usual underwhelming.
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Eric Tamiyasu was born November 23rd, 1959, to parents Mitsugi, who went by mits,
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and Jinko Jean Kiyomura.
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Tamiyasu.
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JNCO Jeans?
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Isn't that like a thing?
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That's...
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Yeah.
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It's going to take a lot to get me out of that.
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Luckily, I think I'm going to refer to her as Jean, which was what she went by.
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Okay.
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I like the Mitsy.
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What is it, Mits?
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Mits.
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Not Mitsy, that's a cat name.
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But like...
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Yeah.
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Or, or, or, or, or, or, or, mitsie kind of has a little bit of a feminine air to it.
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And Mits.
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Mits is.
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Eric's dad.
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Okay.
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Mits was born and raised in Hood River, a graduate of Hood River High School in 1941.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Probably not a lot of people out there in 1941.
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No.
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And...
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Do two events?
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Sometimes there would be less people.
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Do you remember anything about the '40s?
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World War II?
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Yes.
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I'm so good.
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Only because we've talked about it recently in a bunch of episodes for some reason.
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We sure have.
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Yeah.
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I think we've discussed.
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World War II is sort of like my Roman Empire sometimes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, that one war.
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During World War II, mits and his family were forcibly relocated like many other Asian Americans.
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That old thing.
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That old thing.
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They were halted camps in both Wyoming and California.
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When they were eventually released, the family returned to their family orchard in Hood River.
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Oh, an orchard.
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Yeah.
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Because Hood River is like the fruity place.
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It's the fruit loop and stuff.
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Yes.
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I want to focus on the good stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well.
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Yeah.
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I'm coming in hot with not a lot of good stuff and I'm going to be honest.
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This is I went back story and I was looking for some good, good folksy, awesome stuff and
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it's there.
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And then it's also real dark.
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This is also where mits met and fell in love with Jean Kiyomera who herself was an
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organ native born in Portland.
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Our family had also endured internment during the war at Minidoka in Idaho.
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Have we talked about that place before?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That sounds really familiar.
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I thought that might ring a bell.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunately.
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Shortly after she graduated from high school and the family was released, she went to work
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as a nurse for Shriners Children's Hospital in Minnesota.
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Okay.
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Despite the harsh realities, they had faced during wartime.
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Both were young people who seemingly went on to thrive and give much of themselves to
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those around them.
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Aww.
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I mean, a nurse at a children's hospital.
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Seriously.
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Yeah.
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It's unclear from my research what eventually brought her back to the state of Oregon, but
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once she made her way, the couple quickly united in a whirlwind romance.
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Oh, I love a good whirlwind.
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I know.
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In the post-World War II era.
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Oh.
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Say World War II whirlwind romance.
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Five times as.
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I barely said it one time.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you and good night.
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The pair started a family and went on to have four children.
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Stan, Eric, Teresa, and Ramona.
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Jean seemed to revel in their fruitful life, tending to their children as well as orchard
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with her husband and some of their extended family.
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Having access to all of the finest fresh fruit one could want, led to legendary expertise
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in making her own jams, jellies, and particularly pies.
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I was literally thinking about like jam, jam.
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She was an accomplished woman when it came to traditional endeavors and homemaking and
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child rearing, but she was also passionate about her more leisurely endeavors like Cross stitch,
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playing the piano, and she was also a serious Portland Trailblazers fan.
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Wow.
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I know.
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Super wholesome.
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I know.
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And it's interesting because some of her hobbies in particular reminded me so much of Chris's
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mom all across stitch the Blazers adorable.
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I love it.
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She also kept in touch with many friends from all over by sending letters in her beautiful
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curse of handwriting.
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Oh, look at good handwritten letter.
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I know.
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I have terrible handwriting.
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So I'll bring you a letter and I'll make it smell real nice, but it's not going to look great.
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I mean, it might look great in the sense that do you enjoy gel pens?
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I mean, yeah, the shimmery kind.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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For sure.
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Mm-hmm.
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If you have bad hand, or you have to write in a gel pen, it's the law.
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I think so.
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Yeah.
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The tone is about to shift.
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And we're not even really getting to the sad sad.
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Sad sad.
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There's more sad than just normal sad.
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There's actually just layers of sad.
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Oh, yeah.
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I thought, let me open this with something light.
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How about a little bit of a chat about, I don't know, something casual like jams and jellies
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and, you know, the government forcibly in turning its own citizens.
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Yeah, that's disgusting.
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I hate it.
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That's the light part.
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Jean passed away at age 88 in May of 2013, just two years after her husband.
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They both seemed to have lived very full lives and both passed in May just two years and a
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handful of days apart.
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Though myths would live 80 of his 88 years in the very same house that he grew up in, his
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life was far from doldrum.
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They both died at 88 also.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I know it took me a little bit as I was reading through the information about both of them
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and, you know, their lives and then their passing.
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And I was like, are you kidding me?
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It's very notebook.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Like, same month, two years apart, same age.
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And I was in that strange, but it's very strange.
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First off, if nothing else, there's a bizarre synchronicity of their passing.
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But myths actually died on Friday the 13th.
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Wow.
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A very lucky day, but we died on it, so I know.
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I just think it gives real bad ass vibes, you know.
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But getting back to the land of the living, myths traveled abroad extensively with his beloved
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local lions club, enjoyed foraging, fishing, and even collected antiques.
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Kind of a cool gay.
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Haunted antiques?
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I don't think so.
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Can we turn this into ghosts?
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He was an active community member and a friend to many, frequently sporting a jauntie hat,
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as well as a cigar and a smile.
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What is a jauntie hat?
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I think it just means like he just was like very casual about how he wore it.
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I'm not totally clear on that.
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A jauntie hat.
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Yes.
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I do have some pictures of him and I think it's an apt description, but I'm picturing
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one of the hats with like the helicopters on it.
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No.
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I'm stuck on his head just to twirl and I think maybe a skew is a good way to describe it,
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but I don't recall seeing a helicopter.
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That's just what I'm thinking in my mind.
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You know this little helicopter hat, you know what I'm talking about?
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Oh, I know what you're talking about.
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It's just a doesn't apply.
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By contrast, there's on the Eric at 41 years old, though he shared his father's occupation
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as an orchardist and the general good-naturedness of both of his parents, it seemed he was more
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reserved.
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I think that's why at least in part, so much of the focus on this family and Eric in particular
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has to do primarily with the strange circumstances surrounding his 2001 death rather than the beautiful
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tapestry of the lives that they all led.
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On 25th, 2001, Eric and his longtime friend Diana Anderson have been spending the evening
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together at his home, which happened to be located within a fairly isolated area of Hood
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River.
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Though the two had been very good friends for some time, they had met that evening with
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the intention of discussing their relationship as it seemed that they had developed romantic
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feelings for each other.
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Oh, they got a DTR.
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Wait, what's DTR?
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Define the relationship.
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Oh, duh.
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It looked to be the start of a new phase in life.
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One that might mean a serious relationship, though they considered that evening to be their
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first official date.
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Oh, yeah.
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Very sweet.
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Very sweet and awesome.
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At first.
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Well, at Eric's home that evening, the couple had heard tapping sounds outside and felt like
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the sounds were emanating from the area of the front door.
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Upon inspection after the doorbell rang, no one appeared to be outside.
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But there was reportedly a lone chuprint present somewhere outside.
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Okay.
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So tapping on the front door.
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Doorbell.
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Yeah, and then one chuprint.
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So someone's hopping around.
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Yeah.
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pogo sticking it.
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This was troubling to Diana as she drove home and has no doubt continued to puzzle her
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in the day's sense as the last person to see Eric alive.
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Oh, no.
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After he was murdered in his own home execution style, nearly a week went by before anyone
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was concerned about his absence, concerned enough that they actually went to check on him.
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And even what's her name Diana?
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Is that her name?
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Yeah, it's kind of unusual, I think, but I mean, yeah.
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What was normal for their relationship, but that seems like a while.
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There's a lot of discourse about that, to be honest.
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And I think just based on the fact that it was 2001, texting wasn't really as common.
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Yeah.
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So it's true.
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You might not hear from a friend for a week at a time and that probably wouldn't have
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been all that unusual.
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I think they just like DTR.
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Yeah.
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You think you would be like, you cited and want to see the person every day, but.
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Right.
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Or like, at least hear from them.
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Yeah.
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So you know that it didn't get weird.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Like, who called you?
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Yeah.
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It's hard to be a woman.
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Sure is.
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On June 30, Don Dixon stopped by to check on him as no one in his life had heard from him
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recently.
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Conveniently, he had a key, reportedly to the back door.
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I'm not sure if this is something that's mentioned specifically because there were multiple
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different keys for entry to his home or if it's some sort of weird underhanded or almost
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Freudian way of insinuating something else.
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I'm not even sure what that would be exactly.
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It just feels.
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If I'm like, um, poking, I'm poking on that, I feel like he had the key to his back door.
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That kind of thing.
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I don't think so.
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I don't even know that that would be.
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No.
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It's just weird.
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And it's actually the whole thing about the key is just weird and maybe that's what I'm
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picking up.
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We're going to, we'll talk about the key.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It just feels like there's something there and.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't know how say I lived in has a different key for the back door.
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So I've not personally experienced that.
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Just because I just seemed odd.
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Does he only want hit like is that only giving him access to a certain part of the house?
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Like, what does that mean?
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Maybe they didn't use the front door.
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I, you know, so many questions, but obviously they someone, someone tried to do something to
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the front.
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They knocked.
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They bring the belt.
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I.
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So many questions.
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Yeah.
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It's interesting.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Maybe that's not that weird.
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Seems weird.
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But like you bring that up and you think it's like really weird and I'm like, oh yeah, last
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house I lived in had a different key for the back door.
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Thanks a lot, asshole.
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Sorry.
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It's just my life experience.
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Yeah.
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Nope.
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I mean, it is, that is interesting because I feel like I thought that's odd.
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I don't think that's necessarily like a typical thing, but it certainly wasn't beyond
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the realm of possibility.
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I just was like, what does that mean?
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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I don't know.
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Amongst other questions that can't be answered.
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Wait, I have one more question.
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What?
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What if it was just, it was just a key to the back door, you know that for sure?
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Or was it just like he just went in the back door?
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I don't even know.
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That's the thing.
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I'm like, what are they trying to say with this?
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Like, maybe because like, maybe there was a dead bolt on the back door.
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And he only had the key that like unlocked like the bottom lock.
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I don't know.
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Who knows, we get stuck on the weirdest shit, but we really, yeah.
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Trust me, I was real stuck on it and it's not even an interesting aspect of the case overall.
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Right.
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Can't choose when the hyper focus activates.
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Clearly.
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Right.
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Last time I learned a lot about heraldry.
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We have driven back.
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The nature of their relationship would be called into question later.
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And I can't help but think that the rumor mill might have gone into overdrive, which is
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actually the understatement of probably my week.
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Because remember what I was saying about rumors, right?
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tying our two episodes together.
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Yeah.
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Oh boy.
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Okay.
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Dixon readily identified an odor upon entering the home.
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And when he eventually discovered Eric's decomposing body, he quickly called 911.
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That wasn't the only call that was made.
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Though it's not entirely clear which call occurred first, either to 911 or the call I'm about
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to describe.
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I think 911 first.
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There's a lot of discrepancies or things that are unspecified.
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Eric's sister stated that in a phone conversation with Dawn at some point after he discovered her
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brother Eric's body in his home, Don told her that he did not see any exit wounds on
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Eric's body.
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You have the benefit of knowing that he was murdered in a style that is described as
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execution style.
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But she found this very odd because they didn't know he had been shot.
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Who didn't know?
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No one.
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Right.
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But no one knew he had been shot.
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But this guy goes in and saw his body.
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Right.
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And people that saw his body couldn't tell, could not tell.
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Interesting.
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Don claimed that he believed Eric had died by suicide, explaining that was why he mentioned
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potential exit wounds.
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Which is interesting because people can die by suicide other than shooting themselves.
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Yeah.
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It had not been apparent when his body was initially discovered that Eric had been killed
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by three gunshot wounds to the head.
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Law enforcement could not tell.
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Apparently both law enforcement and the man claiming to be a close friend of Eric, Don
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Dixon had no reason to suspect foul play.
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Hood County Sheriff Joe Wompler reportedly approached Don Dixon questioning whether there
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was a burn pile on the property.
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Oh, that is the correct response.
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It's never good.
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We also would have accepted what?
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What?
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Or, oh hell no.
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Yeah.
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I don't like to hear the word like murder and burn pile in the same situation.
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The same day.
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No.
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No.
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He intended to use the burn pet as a means of disposal for the mattress in order to spare
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Eric's family the grief of having to deal with it later.
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Not your job.
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Dixon was said to have agreed with this course of action at the time.
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Oh, but he did.
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Okay.
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In the many years since Eric's death, there have been a number of stories related about how
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exactly this unfolded.
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Some account state it was Don Dixon's idea to burn the mattress.
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It's important to note here that some source material states that the mattress alone was
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burned thereafter.
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While others stated it was both the bed and the linens.
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I do believe that this is clarified in statements made by the DA that I will share a bit
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later, assuming that you, you know, believe public statements made by the DA.
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Hmm.
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Certainly you wouldn't have any reason not to.
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I don't trust your face right now.
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Not a face to be trusted.
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It would be weird though to like burn the mattress and not the linens if your goal is to like
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get rid of it.
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So no one else has to take care of it.
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Yeah.
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And you don't think that death is suspicious at this point.
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So why would you keep the linens, right?
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What they insist.
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Hmm.
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I don't know.
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It's hard to say.
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I'd like to show me the linens.
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Where are the linens?
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Where are the linens?
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Though Dixon was certain that Eric was dead, he was quoted as saying of the discovery.
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It was like he was in bed sleeping and he was shot.
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There was no struggle.
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One of the sheriff's deputies who reported to the scene, detective Gary Tiffany stated,
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Gary, Jerry, not really sure.
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Don't really care.
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Sorry.
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Jerry or Gary?
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Somebody came in here for the sole purpose of killing Eric.
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They didn't steal anything.
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They didn't take anything.
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Heels were dundin' to say, but sorry.
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I feel like a dick.
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I don't know why.
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Jerry/Gary didn't really do anything wrong here so far as I can tell, but I'm just so fucking
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angry.
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If nothing was taken from the isolated home, it stood to reason that the primary motive for
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entering the home was likely the murder.
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The case took on a whole new dimension with the discovery of the gunshot wounds.
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It's remember they have no fucking idea this man was shot.
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And they've already found his mattress.
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But alas, what could have been critical forensic evidence in the case had already been lost
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forever.
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Because again, already burned it.
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How did they think he died?
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There's gotta be blood.
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He wasn't just, right?
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He had blood in his body.
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He did have blood in his body.
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I obviously, because you said the mattress and like, I imagine...
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I don't know how someone is shot in the head three times.
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And that's completely escaping.
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There's complete visual field.
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I have hurtive cases where they don't realize right away that the victim was shot.
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But like, obviously killed in a something happened, man, or...
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I just think we just have to treat all deaths as suspicious until proven otherwise.
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Right.
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Like the opposite of...
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Maybe wait for the autopsy.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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At least.
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It's a thought.
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It's just very weird to like walk in and be like, "Oh, he's dead.
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There's blood everywhere.
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Doesn't look that suspicious."
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I think if there had been blood everywhere.
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Doesn't sound like there was.
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Don't know how that's possible.
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I'm not sure.
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A lot of questions.
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That's the least of them.
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According to Eric's family, he lived a quiet life with no apparent enemies or conflicts.
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Three strong suspects in the case would emerge.
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So there is a fourth potential suspect that some have speculated about.
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In no particular order, the first will discuss is Eric Smith.
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It sounds like an alias, but it does infect his name.
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Allegedly.
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It actually is his name.
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Oh, okay.
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I'm just an asshole today.
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While Eric's family didn't believe there were any issues between him with anyone, Don
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Dixon shared a conversation that he had reportedly overheard between Eric and his business partner,
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also named Eric, which is unfortunate and confusing.
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The pair ran a small car sales company together.
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Eric T was our victim.
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Okay.
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We're going to use initials.
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Supposedly accused Eric Smith of embezzling money from their joint venture.
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With the tune of about $60,000.
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If there were any truth to this accusation made by Don Dixon, that could certainly go to
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motive for Eric Smith in the killing.
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Oh, wait, this was Don Dixon's in, Paul.
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Okay.
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Got you.
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I'm glad you're flagging that.
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I flagged it.
25:17
I've put it in that.
25:18
Yeah, that's right.
25:19
Not just a hat, rag, my friend.
25:21
However, it does not seem to have ever been substantiated.
25:27
Each of the three suspects would eventually in turn take polygraph tests.
25:32
While it cannot be said for all three suspects, Eric did pass.
25:36
Good job, Eric Smith.
25:38
Yeah.
25:39
Also, I mean, first, so many.
25:45
It was a long time ago, right?
25:47
No, it was 2001.
25:48
2001.
25:49
Well, it was kind of a long time ago.
25:51
That was kind of 24 years ago.
25:54
Yeah.
25:55
It's basically like when I was born.
25:56
Oh, yeah.
25:57
Yeah.
25:58
Yeah.
25:59
Anyways, so he passed the polygraph for whatever that's worth.
26:03
Eric Smith has always denied that there was any issue between them regarding their business
26:09
or personal finances.
26:12
And all ones ever pointed to anything that proves that there were any issues or financial
26:18
misdeeds or business disagreements or even a stubbed toe.
26:27
He said they were best friends and Eric T had even been the best man at his wedding.
26:32
Aww.
26:33
I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean you can't do something bad to your friend, but true.
26:39
It's just if there's no evidence.
26:41
Yeah.
26:42
If that's the only evidence.
26:43
I don't trust a polygraph, but knowing what I do for my research about the suspect pool,
26:48
I just don't see Eric Smith as the most viable.
26:51
Well, look at that.
26:53
This fucking guy, Don Dixon, ever the helpful friend following his unfortunate discovery shared
26:59
something else of interest regarding Eric's private life.
27:02
But he thought might provide illumination in the case.
27:05
Keep your mouth shut, Don.
27:07
Yeah.
27:08
Shut the fuck up, Don.
27:10
We have feelings about Don.
27:12
I don't even know why yet, but I just...
27:14
But can you...
27:15
Ready?
27:17
Why are we talking so fucking much about Don?
27:20
Yeah.
27:21
With a fucking Don, even.
27:23
He said that Eric had recently told him about a new relationship that he had struck up,
27:29
supposedly with a Polynesian woman who happened to be married.
27:34
Oh no.
27:35
Well, look at that.
27:37
This fucking guy, Don Dixon, ever the helpful friend following his unfortunate discovery shared
27:43
something else of interest regarding Eric's private life.
27:46
But he thought might provide illumination in the case.
27:50
However, Hood River being such a small town with a total population of about 6,000 people
27:56
at the time and the Polynesian population even smaller, some came to suspect this might
28:04
have been none other than Sheriff Wompler's wife.
28:08
Not the Sheriff's wife.
28:11
Oh shit.
28:14
If the Sheriff's wife had indeed been having an affair with Eric, which no one believes,
28:20
or can substantiate in any way, except for Don, of course.
28:26
Then perhaps the Sheriff had a motive to murder Eric.
28:30
That pains his decision to burn potential evidence in the case in a very different light.
28:36
Which...
28:37
Is fair?
28:38
It is weird.
28:40
That being said, it does not appear that this theory has ever come even remotely close to
28:46
being substantiated.
28:50
See what I did there?
28:51
How I said, you could see...
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You could see it in my eyes.
28:56
I'm trying to force out like the nice way to say...
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Yeah.
29:02
Sheriff Wompler also passed the polygraph test that he was administered.
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Okay.
29:08
It's weird.
29:09
Didn't I say that three people took polygraph tests and two of them passed?
29:13
Hmm.
29:14
Who failed?
29:15
This seems like a door of the Explorer episode, like...
29:20
Don Dixon sure had a lot of theories about who might have had a motive for killing Eric.
29:26
Was he just a trusted friend trying to help investigators?
29:31
Or was he a cold blooded killer trying to cast his vision on anyone and everyone else
29:36
to save his own skin?
29:38
Sounds like that's the one, that last one you said.
29:42
You'll recall the unusual statement that Don Dixon made to Eric's sister when he called
29:46
to inform her of Eric's death.
29:49
At that point, it had not been discovered that Eric had died as a result of three.
29:54
Again, yet is undiscovered, gunshot wounds to the head.
29:59
Strangely though, he told her that there were no exit wounds.
30:03
Maybe he meant something else.
30:05
What else could you mean?
30:07
Right, exactly.
30:08
I was speaking to the house.
30:10
Like no one broke it.
30:11
I don't see any broken windows for someone to get out.
30:15
We don't actually put all those exit wounds.
30:17
We don't call those exit wounds.
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No.
30:19
So the house.
30:20
I was being facetious, but I really enjoyed that you played that up with me.
30:22
Thank you.
30:23
That was fun.
30:24
That was fun for us.
30:26
Maybe he really was aware of a secret battle that Eric had been fighting with depression.
30:32
And that's why he believed that Eric had died by suicide.
30:35
It's totally reasonable.
30:37
Yeah.
30:38
Right.
30:39
I mean, it happens.
30:40
It sure does.
30:42
But then again, though Dixon had claimed that they were very close, other family members
30:50
and friends of Eric claimed that that was not the case.
30:55
Some of them didn't even know who he was until after Eric's death.
30:59
Don Dixon.
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Who does Don Dixon?
31:02
New number.
31:03
Who died?
31:04
Don Dixon was also the one to discover Eric, dead in his home, which was only possible
31:10
as he'd entered the home using a key, which people didn't know he had, or that he existed.
31:18
It's not necessarily a crime to make someone out to have been a closer friend than they really
31:24
were, but does seem a little suspicious.
31:27
Starting to think, did he ever produce this key?
31:30
Well, he would have, I mean, to get into the house he would have had to have had the key.
31:34
Once he picked the lock.
31:35
I don't know.
31:36
Like, did he ever give the key to the evidence collectors?
31:43
We're doing great.
31:44
The police.
31:45
The investigators.
31:46
Yeah.
31:47
Did the investigators like ask him, like, "Hey, show me this key that you used."
31:51
I don't know.
31:52
It's unclear that that was ever like fact-checked, substantiated.
31:57
Or he found like the high to key or something.
32:01
I don't know.
32:02
I'm starting to feel what you're feeling.
32:04
Yeah.
32:05
A lot of questions.
32:06
Yeah.
32:07
Okay.
32:08
Don Dixon's test results from an independently administered polygraph were inconclusive.
32:14
According to the Sheriff's Department, they couldn't even establish a baseline, which
32:19
is not great.
32:22
Yeah, so like a...
32:24
I read like somebody who might be trying to obfuscate the test, but I've never seen...
32:30
Oh, God, what is the name of that movie?
32:32
I'm just asking questions.
32:34
Hmm.
32:35
I don't know.
32:36
Sounds like something you say a lot though.
32:39
Chris and I say that to each other all the time because it's this movie.
32:43
Oh, my God.
32:44
I'm going to have to pull up a clip.
32:45
Okay.
32:46
I forget what it's called, but she's a really funny actress and comedian.
32:50
And she's playing like this super tropey, like Fox News, fucking type of character.
32:57
And she'll do...
32:58
She'll like ask these questions that are like so clearly inflammatory or like just ridiculous.
33:05
And then she'll be like, I'm just asking questions.
33:08
Right.
33:09
It's so good.
33:10
It's so good.
33:11
It's so good.
33:12
Oh.
33:13
With as much confounding evidence or perhaps more accurately lack thereof and conflicting
33:20
statements being made as rumors world, it's no wonder that the case garnered some intense
33:28
interest both from the public and also some pretty serious media attention.
33:34
The case was featured on unsolved mysteries after crime victim advocate Jackie Hansen helped
33:41
the family draft letters requesting the show's assistance by spotlighting the case.
33:46
Holy guacamole.
33:48
That's right.
33:49
That's really cool.
33:51
I might have seen this.
33:52
Good.
33:53
You know the funny thing is this was I was so fucking mad and Chris got involved and then
34:01
he was like, I'm fucking mad.
34:05
What?
34:06
So there's like eight thousand episodes, not literally, but there's a lot.
34:13
You know which one you can't, you can't watch anymore just ceases to exist on God's greener
34:20
than the internet.
34:21
This one.
34:22
Mm-hmm.
34:23
They link to it.
34:24
You know what comes up?
34:26
Totally different fucking episode.
34:28
What?
34:29
We both tried it from multiple devices multiple different times.
34:35
They link the wrong apps.
34:36
Oh, good.
34:37
There's no way to just like search the name and unsolved mysteries and have it
34:43
tell you what episode it is.
34:45
Oh my god.
34:46
Why didn't I think of that?
34:47
No, I'm saying I literally went to the unsolved mysteries catalog.
34:53
Multiple different catalogs in fact with the episode number and the episode that shows
34:59
up the one that's there.
35:01
It's not the right one.
35:03
Oh no.
35:04
It has this name in the episode description.
35:07
Oh, that's odd.
35:09
If anybody finds it, I'd be.
35:11
I'm sure like to watch it.
35:13
Can you write like write them an email?
35:15
Yeah.
35:16
Everyone email unsolved mysteries.
35:19
Where is this episode?
35:22
The Hood River district attorney made statements that he was pleased that the case would
35:27
receive high profile exposure.
35:29
Because what the fuck else do you say?
35:32
You sure about that?
35:33
Yeah.
35:34
Sure about that.
35:35
They're going to see all your fuck ups.
35:37
Yeah.
35:38
And technically he hadn't fucked up yet.
35:43
He just gets to be the public face of the botched investigation.
35:46
Right.
35:47
Exactly.
35:48
Like you were taking, you're the face.
35:50
You're responsible.
35:51
Yeah.
35:53
In most jurisdictions, DA and Sheriff are elected positions.
36:01
So it's not a great look.
36:04
Yeah.
36:05
Let's talk about the fourth suspect.
36:07
Oh, yeah.
36:08
Yeah.
36:09
OK.
36:10
Who seems far less frequently discussed?
36:12
Which actually makes him more interesting.
36:15
Hmm.
36:16
Through the course of the investigation, it came to light that Diana Anderson had an ex-boyfriend
36:22
with a history of stalking behavior.
36:25
She was the last person to have seen Erica live.
36:28
And though obviously she was cleared of any involvement, she was at his home late into
36:32
the night when they heard some odd noises.
36:37
They even believed her and Eric that night thought somebody.
36:43
It seems like somebody is trying to mess with us.
36:45
Yeah.
36:46
I mean, it seems like if someone's clearly tapping on the door, ringing the bell, like that's
36:49
not just a branch, you know?
36:51
Yep.
36:52
Is it possible that a jealous, perhaps even deeply disturbed ex-boyfriend, might have decided
36:58
to take out a romantic rival?
37:00
I mean, sure.
37:01
Almost anything seems plausible at this point, really.
37:04
He told me aliens did it.
37:06
I'd say they don't have enough evidence to prove that they didn't.
37:09
I mean, he could have just been there stalking them and then someone else came and murdered
37:15
that Eric later.
37:17
I mean, super unlucky.
37:19
Yeah.
37:21
It would make more sense for that type of person to be ringing the bell and disappearing
37:26
in an attempt to disrupt their evening that night than a typical teenage prankster,
37:31
just given the remoteness of the home.
37:33
Because I don't think that Ding Dong ditching when your neighbor lives like a mile down the
37:40
road is kind of a weird choice, but I guess not a lot to do in a small town.
37:48
There's not very much information available pertaining to this theory.
37:52
If one enforcement has looked into this as you would hope, they've kept that information
37:57
close.
38:00
I'm not even sure that we know the name of the ex-boyfriend.
38:04
Oh wow.
38:05
Like the public.
38:06
I'm sure the police do.
38:07
Right.
38:08
Maybe.
38:09
Who knows?
38:10
It's hard to say what they know and don't know at this point.
38:12
Oh, God.
38:13
Initially, Tamiyasu family offered up a $5,000 reward for information in the case, eventually
38:20
upping it to $10,000, but still the case has remained unsolved.
38:27
Given that fact, it can come as no surprise that the Tamiyasu family has been vocal about
38:32
their frustration of how the case was handled from the very beginning.
38:38
After learning that the bed where her brother, Eric, died, had been burned, Ramona questioned
38:43
what she felt was a hasty move, very possibly resulting in important clues literally going
38:52
up in flames.
38:55
The DA has stated confidently that the crime scene was processed correctly enough—exquise
39:04
me—correctly enough for a case to stand up in court.
39:10
Despite the loss of potential evidence and the delays in processing that Sheriff Wompler
39:16
pointed to budget cuts to explain, only the delays in processing forensic evidence.
39:23
The budget cuts weren't responsible for the burning of the mattress.
39:27
I can't believe that they said enough.
39:31
Correctly enough.
39:32
That's what I want.
39:34
If my family member is murdered, if I'm murdered—correctly enough to do.
39:39
I can go to court.
39:41
Do we have enough evidence to do anything?
39:46
Maybe.
39:47
I just—yeah.
39:49
These are things that men said out loud to other people.
39:55
I also had a thought too, like what if he had had like hidden money in his mattress or
40:01
like family heirlooms because I don't know, people do that.
40:04
Yeah.
40:05
That's not your property to be destroying.
40:08
Hold that thought.
40:09
Okay.
40:10
Furthermore, Suol, who is—that's the name of the DA, Suol.
40:15
That's his last name.
40:16
Suol.
40:17
Okay.
40:18
The DA stated that all forensic evidence was gathered, including the bedding prior to
40:24
the mattress itself being burned, despite the fact that given the condition of the body
40:29
law enforcement would not be aware Eric had been shot until roughly a day and a half later,
40:33
it's like they collected all of the evidence.
40:39
Except the mattress.
40:40
Why would they— technically they did collect it.
40:43
Okay.
40:44
They just incinerated it after they collected it.
40:47
Or they were saying that it was nothing suspicious, so why were they collecting evidence even if
40:52
they didn't think anything was suspicious?
40:54
Because it's death.
40:55
Okay.
40:56
And they do that, but they don't.
40:57
Because you're supposed to presume until—
41:00
It's like they did, but they didn't, but they didn't.
41:05
Yeah.
41:06
Quite literally.
41:12
It's unclear what, if any, professional repercussions, Sheriff Wompler faced related to mistakes made in
41:18
the case, though he did express his regrets repeatedly.
41:25
Ramona filed complaints regarding the destruction of private property and the Sheriff's office paid
41:32
for a replacement bed.
41:36
Wompler stating, "I take full responsibility for getting rid of the mattress, and it is a
41:40
practice this office will not do again."
41:46
Alternately he was quoted as saying, "I probably wouldn't do that again."
41:50
I'm like, "Wait.
41:53
You just said we won't do it again."
41:55
Is this the same guy who said good enough?
41:58
No.
41:59
Oh, different guy.
42:00
That's still.
42:01
Yeah.
42:02
But still, like, why are these people just like, like, non-challantly talking about this?
42:06
Yeah.
42:07
They probably wouldn't do that again.
42:09
It's good enough.
42:10
Yeah.
42:11
I mean, to be fair, sometimes he says, "I take full responsibility and it is a practice
42:17
this office will not do again."
42:19
Okay.
42:20
Unless he says the other thing where he's like, "Probably wouldn't maybe, props us.
42:25
Props us."
42:26
Additionally, as you might imagine, the rumors that hit his world about an affair took
42:31
a toll on his personal relationships as well.
42:35
How could it not?
42:37
The complar was also quoted as saying, "The last rumor has been the hardest because it
42:41
has caused embarrassment and hurt for my wife when she has done nothing to deserve those
42:48
aspersions."
42:49
Which, fair, detective, Gary, Jerry, Tiffany, detective, Jerry, Tiffany, sorry, Jerry, and
42:58
DA Soule have independently stated that most of the rumors surrounding the case can be
43:04
traced back to, I guess, Don Dixie.
43:11
Himself a person of interest in the case, somewhere in the course of the investigation,
43:17
as too often happens, the story has become honestly more about opposing suspects in the case
43:25
than about the actual victim.
43:28
It's far too easy a trap to set and snap.
43:32
Maybe while Alice mere mortals are left chasing her tails, just gonna throw this out there.
43:38
Okay, picture it.
43:39
Eric's spirit is perched up on a beautiful tree, enjoying the fruits of generations of the
43:45
family's labor.
43:47
What began as a strawberry and asparagus farm eventually became an orchard.
43:53
The first fruit trees planted by Eric's grandfather in the 1930s.
43:58
The orchard is now run by Eric's sister Ramona and her husband.
44:05
This case fucking sucks.
44:07
But I'm just gonna say the cheesy thing that I put in my notes.
44:11
Maybe there's still room for growth if we learn at least one thing from this story.
44:17
Not to burn the mattress.
44:18
Jesus Christ.
44:19
Don't burn the fucking mattress.
44:21
Leave it alone.
44:22
But even then, would they have cared enough to even solve it if there were evidence in the
44:30
mattress or whatever?
44:32
I mean, it didn't seem like they cared a whole lot.
44:35
I mean, I think the problem is that beyond the mattress, there wasn't a lot that they could
44:44
point to in terms of forensic evidence and a lot of...
44:49
There was just so much finger pointing.
44:52
You know, and I think whoever did this did a good enough job of not leaving enough of
45:04
a trail and then the focus just went to trying to identify who the best suspect was.
45:13
And there's just...
45:15
Who knows?
45:18
I mean, I feel like there's more than one fairly reasonable theory, but I don't know
45:28
if we'll ever know.
45:30
And maybe the mattress didn't have any real probative value.
45:37
I don't know.
45:38
That's a point.
45:40
Yeah, we don't know.
45:41
We don't know.
45:42
It's just...
45:43
Let's just all not burn anything from what I'm seeing.
45:46
Yeah.
45:47
Just in case.
45:48
Yep.
45:49
Let's do better than good enough.
45:53
Look at that.
45:54
We learned one thing.
45:55
We did.
45:56
We did learn.
45:57
We learned a lot of things from you, but I feel like that's one of the most important.
46:03
Yeah.
46:04
I just...
46:05
It's so infuriating.
46:06
That and don't trust anyone named Don Dixon.
46:09
I felt like that without saying, "Did you need me to say that?"
46:14
Well, I don't know.
46:15
Should we do some tarot?
46:17
Yeah, let's do some tarot.
46:18
Okay.
46:19
I really want to go to an orchard.
46:21
I know.
46:22
Just like hang out.
46:23
I feel like if we can do a trip out this way, it's not that far of a drive for us someday.
46:29
Do we go find a orchard?
46:30
Do we look orchard?
46:31
Oh, yeah.
46:32
And they still...
46:33
I have a little bit of information about the families, orchards and stuff.
46:40
So I don't know.
46:41
We have a couple of Patreon mini-sodes to get through, but I don't know.
46:46
I feel like it would be fun to just kind of...
46:48
I want to tell you more things.
46:50
Okay.
46:51
Yeah.
46:52
So hopefully we can knock that bad boy out.
46:55
We'll do that someday.
46:56
Yeah.
46:57
Maybe we do some things that we say we're going to do.
47:00
All right.
47:01
Let's do it.
47:02
Okay.
47:03
Let's do tarot.
47:04
Okay.
47:05
Wait.
47:06
Before we do tarot, you got to open your little gifty.
47:13
I just wanted to start by saying that we realized this episode was coming out Valentine's
47:18
week.
47:19
Yeah.
47:20
Happy V-Day.
47:21
Yes.
47:22
Sad.
47:23
Very sad.
47:24
I know.
47:25
What a topic to have chosen.
47:27
But it kind of fit because we talked about the beginning how they were DTR-ing, you know,
47:33
defining the relationship.
47:35
True.
47:36
Yeah.
47:37
I thought there was a connection there, but since it was so sad, I just wanted to make us feel
47:42
a little better, make Killing feel a little better because she brings us sad topics and she
47:47
knows you do all the research and you see, we talked about it before you filter for us
47:52
and you see like the worst of the worst.
47:54
I want to make you feel better.
47:56
And thank you for torturing us every other week-ish.
47:59
You're welcome.
48:01
Shall we cheer?
48:02
Yeah.
48:03
Let's cheer and open your little gifty.
48:04
I got you.
48:05
Okay.
48:06
Okay.
48:07
Torturing her because she's like unbelievably afraid to have something happen with these
48:14
glasses or the electronics from the liquid in the glasses.
48:18
So I'm famously not good with the long stem.
48:22
I'm shaking.
48:23
Actually did have a cortado today.
48:27
So oh.
48:29
And you have my last time, yeah.
48:32
I had one yesterday.
48:33
Oh, they're so good.
48:34
They're really good.
48:35
I heard the brown sugar.
48:36
Oh, no, one.
48:37
Oh, I think I just got a plane.
48:40
I think I might have just gotten a plane one.
48:43
I'm out of plane.
48:44
She good.
48:45
But the brown sugar.
48:46
Okay.
48:47
Okay.
48:48
I'm going to have to try that.
48:49
And our wine is like an orange wine.
48:51
Oh, anyway.
48:52
Open your present.
48:53
Oh, right.
48:54
Okay.
48:55
Okay.
48:56
Oh.
48:57
This is how you know someone loves you.
49:03
Seriously.
49:04
Whenever Chris brings these home, I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm married that man.
49:11
Fuck yeah.
49:12
Fuck yeah.
49:13
Okay.
49:14
They're Valentine nerd clusters.
49:17
Nerds for a nerd.
49:18
Am I right?
49:19
So I knew those would make you feel better.
49:22
Oh, my gosh.
49:23
Okay.
49:24
Well, we have to get through this year.
49:25
Oh, reading because I got to go eat a case of dillar.
49:28
And now, like what is today?
49:32
I don't know.
49:33
Just food being put in front of me right before a microphone.
49:40
Maybe we should start a mukbang.
49:42
Okay.
49:45
No comments.
49:47
That would have to definitely be charged for.
49:49
Oh, yeah.
49:50
No, that's not free.
49:51
That's paid a play.
49:52
My dude.
49:53
Okay.
49:54
All right.
49:55
Ooh, she purred it.
49:59
Okay.
50:00
So I'll flip it right side up just so that everybody can see it.
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Oh, the moon.
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Right in front of my face.
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Did you kiss it?
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I feel like I made kind of a duck sound as I was doing the, because if you can't see it,
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it's a duck on the card.
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I realize recently we've been kind of bad about describing what we're doing.
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Do you want me to set it?
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Oh, sure.
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We've been kind of bad about describing what we're doing because we are on video now.
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So it's like, we can see it.
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And then we kind of forget other people can't.
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Yeah, we forgot where we came from.
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You know, it's an audio medium.
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You said reverse, right?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I feel like everything is in reverse for me.
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My brain is still not really braining.
50:48
I have a fun little story of what we did last night.
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And in hindsight, considering how much my brain was just not braining, it's a little
50:58
bit scary that I did it.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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I tried turning to page 18 because it's the 18th card.
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And I was like, what the shit?
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That's not the right page.
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Okay.
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Now we're on the right page.
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Okay.
51:18
All right.
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Well, here we go.
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Yeah.
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No, I'm telling you, my brain is really having a tough time.
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Minus, too.
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Yeah.
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I'll explain later.
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All right.
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Keywords for the moon.
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The moon.
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The moon.
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Intuition, the unconscious mystery, illusion and secrets.
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Well, there was certainly a lot of that happening in this story.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I am going to kind of skip through.
51:46
I know we've read a lot about the, in this first section of our interpretation book,
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it usually talks a lot about the writer, Wait Smith.
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When we've read this card several times, I'm going to skip it because it does, I don't
52:01
think it really applies.
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We're using a non-traditional deck.
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So I'm going to get into the tail end here and then we'll read the interpretation.
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Unless something like really specific jumps out like about the imagery, then we don't
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really need to like read the description of the card.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes it does though.
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Yeah.
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Trying to pick and choose a little bit.
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And this is our P&W deck.
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So it's, you know, I'll look up what kind of duck it is afterwards.
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Yes.
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Way most.
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The water suggests the moon's link with the emotions and the unconscious realm.
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The moon urges you to pay more attention to your inner self, your lunar self.
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The light of the sun enables us to see the world around us.
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But the moon allows us to illuminate what springs naturally from inside us.
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Okay.
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There's some extra excerpts in here.
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So we'll decide if we want to read those or not.
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I think it's kind of funny that the moon is like emotions and feelings and then you put
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the sign out.
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This is ask me about my feelings and we literally got like the feelings card.
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Well, and as you were showing me the different options for the sign, I read it as don't ask
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me about my feelings, which is sounds like it.
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Well, it's like that thing where if letters are reversed in a word, your brain will still
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fill in and you can read things oftentimes that are misspelled.
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If it's like close enough, that's what my brain did.
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It was like close enough.
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The moon card is sometimes linked with deceit and self deception, disappointment and undoing.
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Usually because you weren't listening to that still small voice within.
53:53
When this card appears reversed, it may advise you to tie up loose ends connected to the past,
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especially to your mother or other women.
54:02
Oh, that's interesting.
54:04
Yeah, very interesting.
54:05
The first part of that though, like tying ends from your past reminds me you said that she
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had a boyfriend that was like possibly stalking them.
54:12
Yeah, yeah, the ex boyfriend.
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Yeah, I definitely, that's kind of the energy that I was picking up as well.
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And like, we don't know when it happened.
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Or maybe we do.
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What?
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I just assumed it happened like at night time.
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Oh, yes.
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No, it was night time.
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Yeah.
54:29
We got the moon.
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Yeah.
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The moon.
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In a reading about money, you may feel incapable of handling a financial matter.
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It's because you can't see what's really going on or you're too emotionally involved in
54:43
this situation to be objective.
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This isn't the best time to make a major decision.
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Ups and downs are likely now.
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Try not to let them throw you into a panic.
54:55
Hmm.
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Hmm.
54:57
This card can also indicate buying stuff as a way to pinch hit or genuine emotion or happiness.
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It's interesting.
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Okay.
55:07
If the reading is about your job, a secret or hidden situation may come to light.
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Interesting.
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Oh, the scandal.
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Yes.
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The scandal alleged.
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Yes.
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One of the many alleged scandals.
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Yes.
55:25
This card can also point to an emotional, uncertain, changing work environment where nothing
55:31
is clear.
55:32
Perhaps you've let the pressures of the outside world throw you off balance and you feel disconnected
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from your true self.
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That kind of reminds me of like letting Don Dixon convince you to burn a mattress.
55:45
Oh, that is a really good point.
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My head didn't really go there, but I feel like that fits.
55:55
That's interesting.
55:57
In a reading about love, you've probably deluded yourself about a partner or relationship.
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Okay.
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I'm getting next boyfriend vibes again.
56:05
Or you may be attempting to cast yourself in an unreal light in order to win someone's
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affection.
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Things are not what they seem.
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Deceit, manipulation or inconsistency may cause problems.
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Hmm.
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That's interesting.
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Like all of Don's stories and how.
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Deceit, manipulation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Cause there's no problems.
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I mean, he certainly has not been charged with a crime in relation to Eric's death, but
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so much of what he said that kind of had investigators looking at, oh, is this a possible
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motive?
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Is this a possible suspect?
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None of that could be verified.
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Yeah.
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It just seemed like a very manipulative.
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Mm-hmm.
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I mean, maybe it's a coincidence, but.
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Yes.
56:54
There is an extra excerpt.
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I don't feel as though it has a tie in and there are two other ones that I want to skim through
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to see if there's something we should read.
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But this extra excerpt at the end of the reverse interpretation is the triple goddess.
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And remember, there's kind of, I would say, like the long, held, potential suspects.
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There's three of them.
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Oh.
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I don't know.
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They're not goddesses, though.
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No, certainly not.
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Oh, it's a Pacific loon.
57:30
Oh, okay.
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Duck loons.
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I mean, that makes sense for like nighttime because aren't loons, nighttime ducks.
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Nighttime ducks.
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Loons.
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Let's just say it in loons.
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Nighttime ducks.
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Night.
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And.
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Oh.
57:47
I thought.
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Loons sound like that.
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Oh.
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Do they?
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I mean, they make like a crying sound, like a moaning cry.
57:57
I did not know this.
57:58
We should look up the sound of a loon.
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Oh.
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Okay, there is, I'll read this when looking for adventure in a dark and deserted landscape.
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Okay.
58:13
I realize as I'm saying it out loud, that feels a little connected.
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Dark.
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But it's, I wouldn't say deserted more rural, rural, rural.
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We should only ask for the light of the moon.
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Then our imaginations can create more exotic explanations for the rustling in the undergrowth
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or the dark parentheses, bottomless question mark voids, which open up ahead of us.
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Ooh.
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Okay.
58:45
It just reminds me of whoever was like speaking out.
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Yeah.
58:49
Like around the house and they like from that footprint, right?
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Yes.
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The one foot.
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The one foot.
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We comfort ourselves too much with light.
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Sometimes we must wander in the dark so that our other senses can find their full expression.
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And we hear more clearly the message of the night, the wilderness and the strange creatures
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that inhabit the unseen spaces.
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Wow.
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Like a loon.
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Like a loon.
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They just get almost like when they're putting together like these special tarot decks, like
59:23
they really put a lot of thought into like what animal goes on it.
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Because they get a lot of them completely so connected with even though it's not a traditional
59:32
imagery on the deck, like just the word A is so connected with whatever animal.
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I can cut.
59:38
Which it's, I like that.
59:39
I love that.
59:40
Yeah.
59:41
Someone get my modicle.
59:42
Oh, this is interesting.
59:45
Most of the keywords are the same, but there's one in here that says vagueness and misconceptions.
59:50
Okay.
59:51
Instability, anxiety and security.
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Yeah.
59:55
I mean, those all make sense.
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Yeah, totally.
59:58
I don't know.
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I think sometimes it's like we will look at a glance at the keywords and say, oh, you know,
1:00:04
they're basically the same or whatever.
1:00:07
But I think sometimes words that are synonymous, they're not exactly the same.
1:00:14
They have kind of different connotations.
1:00:15
I feel like I'm always glad when we kind of read through and find something that maybe
1:00:21
it expands a little bit.
1:00:22
Yeah.
1:00:23
I don't think your vagueness was like, no, it just reminded me of like, oh, good enough.
1:00:31
Well, and they feel like there's something about like where it's talking about sort of mystery
1:00:36
and darkness that implies sort of like a murky or, you know, vagueness.
1:00:43
But yeah, just really screamed like just, yeah, we did a good enough job collecting the evidence.
1:00:50
That was what they said, right?
1:00:51
Yep.
1:00:52
Yep.
1:00:53
Yeah.
1:00:54
Yeah.
1:00:55
I'm hard to forget that, turn of frames.
1:00:56
Okay.
1:00:57
This is very short.
1:00:58
Okay.
1:00:59
It's breeding season.
1:01:00
And the moon lays her two eggs, two gray, green, speckled orbs, each a perfect image of
1:01:07
the other.
1:01:09
Her nest floats upon the mirror of the lake.
1:01:11
Oh, they're nest float.
1:01:14
That is, that's like, I was starting to think about that.
1:01:17
That's why I got thrown off.
1:01:18
That's very interesting.
1:01:20
Okay.
1:01:21
Her nest floats upon the mirror of the lake, a surface identical in color to the night sky.
1:01:27
That's pretty cool.
1:01:28
Yeah.
1:01:29
Looking deeper, dipping her head below and then back above, then below again, the moon
1:01:35
dies into the gray, green glow of the moon reflected.
1:01:41
The gray, green, green, the light.
1:01:42
I can't even say it again.
1:01:45
No, never again.
1:01:48
She resurfaces with her catch and floats on the veil midway between two luminous speckled
1:01:53
orbs, each the perfect image of the other.
1:01:57
Hmm.
1:01:58
You know what that makes me think of?
1:02:02
I mean, it's a little bit, it kind of is, I don't know, it's all interpretation.
1:02:07
So I guess, take it for what it is.
1:02:09
But that kind of makes me think of, like, these are two, like, really good friends, right,
1:02:15
that have sort of, like, just, I don't know, in a weird way, it just reminds me of, like,
1:02:21
sort of their bond and how it started off as, you know, a friendship and now it's like,
1:02:27
become more romantic.
1:02:28
I don't know.
1:02:31
That makes any sense.
1:02:32
Or kind of, it made me kind of also think of, like, his family that had, like, the farm
1:02:38
and, yeah, you talked about his family, right?
1:02:42
Yeah.
1:02:43
I don't know why, just like the mother with her eggs and, like, I don't know.
1:02:47
There's definitely really strong feminine energy that it seems like plays into this card
1:02:55
and into the reading.
1:02:57
So that's interesting.
1:02:58
The moon, yes, very feminine.
1:02:59
It makes sense because there were multiple women that were involved, even just tangentially,
1:03:06
because I was going to say part of the interpretation also reminded me of, like, speaking of shit
1:03:12
that Dawn said that may or may not be true.
1:03:15
Like, think about the sheriff's wife.
1:03:17
It's like, I mean, yeah, I would reverse a small place.
1:03:21
I'm sure she had met Eric, but like, wow, to just have this rumor start.
1:03:27
That was, you know, one thing that the sheriff said, like, yeah, that was kind of the, one
1:03:32
of the difficult aspects of, and like, the most difficult of the rumors for him to kind
1:03:38
of, like, process and deal with.
1:03:40
Because it's like, well, yeah, I mean, if she wasn't doing anything, you know, nefarious,
1:03:48
then, you know, it's just, that shitty.
1:03:50
You're just drawn into this?
1:03:52
And it's, I don't know.
1:03:54
It goes back to what I was saying about, like, this is a personal tragedy, you know, that
1:03:59
Eric has passed and for his family.
1:04:02
And then to have that sort of just become about these other characters that, like, maybe
1:04:07
didn't, you know, like small town, but like, she, I'm sure she knew him, but maybe not
1:04:12
even that well.
1:04:13
Yeah.
1:04:14
And suddenly we're talking about her.
1:04:15
Like, yeah, not, not any fault of her own that, you know, that we know of, but, you
1:04:22
know, yeah.
1:04:23
Yeah, probably not.
1:04:24
Like, oh, wow.
1:04:25
Well, that was cool.
1:04:29
Yeah.
1:04:30
I really like to that it's like Hood River, and then we got like a water card.
1:04:35
Yeah.
1:04:36
Should we do that thing?
1:04:37
Yeah, let's do it.
1:04:38
We hope everyone has like a really good Valentine's Day.
1:04:41
Obviously, whether you celebrate or not, you can have a gallon times.
1:04:44
You could just, I was just going to say, Valentine's, Galantines, nothing at all.
1:04:50
Valentine's Day.
1:04:54
Yeah.
1:04:55
Actually, creepy Valentine's Day.
1:04:58
Yeah, maybe don't.
1:04:59
Be safe.
1:05:00
Yeah.
1:05:01
Give your friends your location if you're going on a date.
1:05:03
Just, yeah.
1:05:04
I don't care how long you've known them.
1:05:05
If you're married, I don't care.
1:05:07
Give your friends your fucking location because like, the husband probably didn't.
1:05:11
I mean, let's face it.
1:05:13
What has been to that, you know, I guess that goes from men too.
1:05:16
If you're a man too, give your friends your location.
1:05:19
No one is safe.
1:05:21
Yeah.
1:05:22
Nothing and no one is safe or should ever be trusted.
1:05:25
Okay, bye.
1:05:26
Bye.
1:05:27
I love you.
1:05:28
I'm surprised.
1:05:29
We can be trusted.
1:05:30
Right.
1:05:31
Okay.
1:05:32
I'm going to be under my blankie here.
1:05:37
Hopefully I don't have to take my hands out.
1:05:39
I, yeah, I don't know.
1:05:40
We'll see.
1:05:41
What do you need my hands for?
1:05:43
Couldn't tell you.
1:05:44
They're busy under my blanket.
1:05:46
Let me know.
1:05:47
Alrighty.
1:05:48
Well, maybe we'll just have an impromptu hand check, shall we?
1:05:54
Hand check.
1:05:55
They're just cold, you guys.
1:05:57
They're just cold.
1:05:58
She's so cold.
1:05:59
That's why you made me a blanket.
1:06:01
That's true.
1:06:02
It's quite literally true.
1:06:04
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