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Welcome To McKamey Manor: America's Most Extreme Haunted House · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  I agree with August, Fajika, Hogus, both of lack of Focus,
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  the very own educational podcast that nixes Nura Divergent, Shy
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  Talk and a host of topics Open One Tree Hour cluster fuck of
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  nonsense. Topics may include but not
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  limited to witchcraft, paranormal happenings, true
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  crime, conspiracies, and anything dark as a winter's
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  night. I'm your resident scared clown
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  justy who wants farted in a screening of The Conjuring 2
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  when a jump scare happened. I'm not built for this episode.
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  I'm joined, as always, by our Hostess with the most chest, who
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  gets nightly visits from creepy, otherworldly entities that
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  promise to grant her favors in a dark and mysterious quid pro quo
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  agreement. But who am I to judge her taste
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  in men? She also deals with demons in
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  case that first punch line didn't land.
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  I don't know, fuck me, right? It's Danny.
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  Thomas. I like that.
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  I do like that. And now I'm starting to really
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  get on board with your horrible descriptions of the men that I
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  talk to because you're, you're right every time.
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  I'm not like, look, I'm not wrong.
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  No, you're not. You're not and I do.
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  I do appreciate that, but oh, it's tragic.
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  Like you would have thought. Working with actual demons is
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  more peaceful to me than dealing with men.
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  Yeah, all men are. All men are scum girlfriend.
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  I don't know what to tell you. Am I?
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  When you start dogging on man, I don't know what to do.
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  I'm like your gay best friend. Like, yes, Queen.
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  Fucking I feel like like. Girl.
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  I feel like for like 3 hours a week I just replace Fergus your
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  cat for who you get to complain about men too.
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  Yeah, I mean, he doesn't listen, so he he just waits for the
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  recording session every week because he can just fuck off
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  into my room and stay there and not have to look at me.
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  But other than not following around the place, just picking
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  him up and kissing him. Yeah, like I'm starved of human
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  love. Come here.
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  I paid £1000 for you. I will cuddle you.
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  I was handed my cat from a very rough looking man from the back
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  of a van that was covered in straw.
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  I didn't pay for her, she was. A kitten.
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  Yeah, she's a rescue. So like yours costed 1000 lbs.
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  I'm a. Fucking.
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  Idiot dude, cats are just cats. Oh, I was like, I, I fucking
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  like, I, I love him to bits. But if I could go back in time
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  and just not pay £1000 for him, like he'll do something that I
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  had. I've never had a regular free
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  cat do like something destructive and horrible and I'm
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  just like, I could have spent that money on drugs.
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  I, I, I could be high right now instead of looking at you
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  shitting on my fucking floor, but whatever, here we are.
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  It might go back to men are bastards because I've had a few
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  cats and. Yeah.
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  And all the boys cause havoc. But Vivian is the only girl I've
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  had and she is now don't get me wrong, we've all heard her
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  fucking if if you've listened to this podcast, you've heard her
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  scratching at this door and fucking annoying me to come
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  follow her and play with her while like, you know, I'm, I'm
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  busy. I have a Riddle for you.
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  Come down the hallway. Answer me these riddles tree.
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  Follow me to the bottom of the stairs where nothing will
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  happen. This is this is exactly what she
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  does. But like what she is, she's a
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  little sweetheart really like and she doesn't cause havoc like
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  the, the the male cats I had just wrecked the place.
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  Like they don't care. They just piss all over the
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  place. They've shed hair everywhere.
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  They're just absolute bastards. Is this a cat podcast?
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  Now it? Is I?
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  No, I found it the opposite because when we had Kubrick, the
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  cat I had with my ex, and I love that.
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  That's my sole cat. There'll never be a better cat.
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  He was an Angel. Yeah, I don't care that you're
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  right beside me when I say that, but he was an absolute Angel.
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  And his sister, my best friend's mom took his sister and she
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  fucking had to replace the curtains like 3 times in six
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  months because she was just slanging out of them.
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  Whereas Cooper's just the best, goodest boy.
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  This fucking Egypt though. It looks like you paid £1000 for
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  a normal cat that was just pushed up against some glass
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  when he was born. He looks like a Boo Boo, right?
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  So we have it for you today. We mentioned this on last week's
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  episode. We actually went down a bit of a
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  rabbit hole on it. Became the matter America's most
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  infamous haunted house. It is not a haunted house.
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  It is a psychological torture fucking you.
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  You pay thousands of dollars to go get tortured.
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  Basically. It's like hostile.
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  I don't, I don't think you, I don't think you do pay at all.
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  Is it, is it not like that? Because like I've I had no clue
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  what this was until until you mentioned it.
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  They sell the videos online, but I think you do have to pay for
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  like it's a fee, an entry fee. You know, I thought the entry
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  fee is dog food. So, so he he does this say we
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  can, we can get into like what the whole like everything about
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  it. But like he has this.
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  You are right, I'm thinking of the wrong house.
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  I've got a couple of different houses here.
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  Sorry. Go on.
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  No, But yeah, so his thing is, and This is why I didn't know
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  how he actually made any money with this thing is that it turns
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  out he didn't, but or he doesn't technically like what?
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  There's nothing that we know like, but like I do I I have my
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  theories on how he makes the money with.
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  But like that the entrance is there along with like going
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  through this rigorous kind of you sign like a waiver that is
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  40 pages long, but like you just give him.
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  I think it's like a it would start it off as two cans of dog
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  food that he said he was going to donate to some greyhound
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  charity. And but people think that
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  because like he has like 10 dogs, so people were thinking
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  that he was just taking the dog food and giving them to his own
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  dogs. But like, why?
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  Why not just say that? Yeah, instead of making up a
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  charity? But yeah, he, he apparently he
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  donates the dog food that he charges you.
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  I think like the price has gone up.
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  It's like bags, like a 40K bag of dog food or whatever it is.
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  But like he said, he donates that to charity, but I don't
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  believe he does. Let's like I'm skip I'm I'm
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  skipping ahead. You've got like you.
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  I'm sure you have all the info on that, but I got stuck into
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  this. It's.
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  Really interesting, like Alex said that he went, he went and
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  had a look into it after we were talking about it as well.
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  So I will just talk a bit about the founder, Russ Mccamey 1st
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  and we'll just we'll go into his background and then we can go
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  into the the house and stuff like that.
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  So Ross Mccamey is the founder and owner of Mccamey Manor,
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  controversial torture haunted house attraction that began in
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  San Diego in 1989. So it's been going a while.
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  His personal and professional background is varied, and his
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  persona is a point of frequent discussion and media coverage of
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  the Manor. Mccamey claims to have an
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  extensive military history, though the context doesn't
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  specify the veracity of the claim.
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  He claims to have a military background of 23 years in the
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  Navy, and in addition to these claims, he has a background in
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  arts and entertainment, which I don't.
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  It would make sense because I guess he does draw on some kind
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  of like theatrical themes for the.
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  I think from what I heard, someone did a deep dive on him
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  and the only thing they could really find about like his, his
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  early life was like there was a curtain from a newspaper that
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  said that he was in like a school play.
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  So he was into theatrics. I think, oh, he.
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  Has a background in the arts because he was Mary in a fucking
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  nativity. Yeah, but I think that's what he
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  like I but I think he might of himself like strives to have
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  been a performer where he ended up going down the military
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  route. But all of it is kind of
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  questionable because he like there isn't a lot of information
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  about him considering he's someone who has put himself out
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  there a lot. Yeah, yeah.
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  And he is like if you've seen any of the the documentaries and
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  stuff, there's actually one on Disney Plus about it.
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  And then he's done the Dark Tourist one that we talked about
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  last week. But he's been like, he's very
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  like, eccentric and like, weird, like he's just an odd guy.
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  So other roles then he's also worked as a singer and a wedding
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  DJ. Loved that for him.
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  Well, McCain speaks about himself and his attraction in
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  ways that both downplay the horror and emphasize the
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  intensity became. He has described himself as a
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  square, but also claims that he is still considered a
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  psychopath. He further claims to be quite
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  sane, so on the attraction he asserts that the manner is
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  simply a lot of smoke and mirrors, yet he simultaneously
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  claims to evoke fear that adrenaline junkies can't find
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  anywhere else. He claims to use hypnosis and
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  mind control to make participants believe what he
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  wants them to about what is happening to them.
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  His personal life has drawn a significant scrutiny otherwise
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  intertwined with the controversy of his business.
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  His ex-wife, Holly Chilito, once described him as a dangerous
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  predator. Criminal charges were dropped in
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  2024 when he was arrested on charges of second degree murder,
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  rape and domestic assault and an altercation unrelated to the
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  manner. These multiple felony charges
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  were dropped in September 2024. Mckamey has long been known for
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  documenting his life and work, launching his YouTube channel in
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  Mckamey Manner present in 2009. Yeah, then I just have notes
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  about this, the shows we just talked about.
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  But yeah, context explicitly contains information about his
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  former wife in this documentary, the Hulu one.
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  And yeah, his, his, his military background.
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  She claims that that's all fake, that that he was never in the
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  military. That's just the character that
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  he was using. And yeah, apparently he is just
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  a fucking psychopath. He was a good actor and a
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  torture artist. Yeah, so I suppose like to go
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  back to to where it's it's started like it he kind of just
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  kicked it off the same way as any one of these kind of things
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  like that a haunted house where he had like some decorations and
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  they dressed up and jump did a little jump scares and it was
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  very PG13 and everybody was involved.
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  And then, like, it just kind of evolved over the years into
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  something that's completely different, like.
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  Yeah, it's got more psychological and sick.
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  Yeah, like I think he got with a, he's had tree waves, I think.
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  Yeah. And yeah.
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  So the, the, the, the first wife and she was on board with it.
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  And that's when it was all kind of PG13 and stuff like that.
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  And like, he was, he was, you know, the neighborhood loved
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  that. Like, because they used to come
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  around and they just like, you know, give him a few kinds of
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  dog food. And then they'd run through this
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  house and get a little, kind of, a little scared, a bit of fun.
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  And kind of, as the years kicked on, he, he tried to make a
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  little bit more extravagant and there were pumping money and
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  there was, there's kind of old, like from the early 90s.
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  There's like a news, the like local news came around.
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  I think he was in them. Where was it?
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  San Diego 1st And the, the, the local news came around and they
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  were like, hey, everybody come check out this haunted house.
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  You know, it was one of these things.
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  And like his family came out and they were all like, yeah, we all
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  over here, some people of Christmas, we love Halloween.
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  And it was kind of this real wholesome thing where like he
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  was inviting everybody down to kind of come and hang out and
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  like, you know, share in the kind of the, the laughs of
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  Halloween. And then as the years kicked on,
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  more money went into it. And I think like he was kind of
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  leeching money off his his wife, definitely his second wife, I
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  think. And I think she claims to have
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  given him like 100 grands to pump into to this just Halloween
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  haunted house experience that like he it's, but he spends
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  months setting up this thing beforehand.
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  And then like true the years, it evolved from this nice little
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  kind of everybody is invited to then becoming this kind of, for
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  want of a better term, kind of torture porn.
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  It. Is torture porn Yes Eli Ross
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  like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It's hostile, kind of like it's, it's gross.
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  Like, I mean, we'll get into some of the accounts and stuff
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  like there's people that have taken part in it that are still
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  absolutely fucked up. Like people have gone into psych
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  wards and stuff for, you know how badly like he's, he's fucked
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  them up basically. So we'll get a bit into it now.
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  So the Kmie Manner is a widely known and intensely
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  controversial survival horror boot camp experience.
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  It has garnered international attention for its extreme full
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  contact nature, with many critics and former participants
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  describing it as a form of non consensual physical and
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  psychological torture disguised as an entertainment attraction.
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  San Diego location permanently shut down in 2018 became.
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  The manner has since operated in multiple locations, primarily
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  Summertown, TN and Huntsville, AL, which there's not a lot that
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  doesn't go in Huntsville, AL. Like, I feel like if you're
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  going to get away with this kind of shit, Huntsville, AL is
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  probably a good fucking place to get away with it.
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  I would like, I'd be want to agree with you like that
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  somewhere like Alabama would be, would be a kind of a place that
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  you could kind of get away with kind of pursuits if you were out
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  in the wilderness, you know, and nobody was paying attention.
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  But the problem is he's kind of in a community that doesn't want
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  him around because they're like that boys out there doing all
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  kinds of things in front of kids.
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  Like. So he like apparently like a
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  part of this is that he will like tell people to arrive
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  somewhere and it's not near Mccamey Manor.
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  And he'll do like, like kidnappings, like, you know,
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  stage kidnappings on the yeah and drive them around and stuff.
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  But like local kids have witnessed him duties kidnappings
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  like and so like people have called the cops and then like
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  I've just saw someone getting kidnapped like.
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  Into a fucking van. Yeah, like.
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  So like like like old school, like blue in old school.
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  We'll. Have them back by 5 boy.
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  Blue. But yeah, like so, so like
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  Alabama is the kind of place you would get away with stuff if you
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  want just blatantly doing out in the fucking open.
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  Like that's yeah, that's this guy's problem.
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  He's he kind of flagrantly doesn't care about neighbors.
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  Like when it comes to like noise pollution, like even just doing
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  things in front of the community that like nobody should be
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  seeing. And as well as that, like
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  apparently like his place is a mess as well.
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  So like if it is in, I don't know what way it's set up, but
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  like if it isn't a neighborhood that you can see his yard, it's
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  going to be pretty gruesome for anybody out there to be.
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  Yeah, it's like a, it's a ranch though, isn't it?
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  Like it's pretty. It's pretty.
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  Is it like so he has a bit of land, is it?
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  Yeah, so. He, I think like he like, I
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  don't think that he wants anyone to like really know fully where
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  it is. So that's why they're kidnapped
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  and driven around in circles and then they just show up and
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  they're bundled into the house. Like I don't think that he wants
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  a lot of people to see the exterior of the house.
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  I think it is the interior. And obviously like he doesn't
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  live there, but that's just where the place is.
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  I don't think he wants people like rocking up trying to find
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  it or whatever. But yeah, OK, so, so the prize
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  money which we we touched on earlier, there's typically no
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  monetary entry fee for the experience.
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  You're right. Price admission is a donation of
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  a large bag of dog food for Mckamey's dogs.
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  Most recent iteration of the tour, a long duration experience
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  called Desolation offers a prize of $20,000 for the successful
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  completion. As of the time of reporting, no
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  one has successfully completed the full tour.
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  Yeah. I.
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  Mean this 20 grand is is kind of this mystical, mystical 20
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  grands that you can get if you get through So like The thing is
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  just explain that for for listeners as well like it's like
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  he advertises that as this like scary experience that if you can
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  get through it, you win 20 grands.
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  But really with like he has just signed a waiver.
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  I'm sure you have like the information on the way over
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  there, but yeah, he has just signed a waiver.
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  I mean they can kind of do whatever the fuck they want to
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  you. So basically he can push you to
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  anything to get that like so nobody's ever going to get that
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  20 grand. First of all, I don't believe it
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  exists. I don't think anybody really
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  believes it exists, but umm. I think it was what's but like.
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  I I bet it does exist like I bet I bet that he would give it to
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  someone upon completion. Oh, I see.
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  This is what I think. I don't think, I don't think
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  it's a completable mission. It's like saying like, right, if
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  you can get through this assault course, I will give you, you
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  know, whatever 20 grand. Well, as you go through the
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  assault course, he he just changes it up so that it get,
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  you know, like so at by the end of it he's hitting you would
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  have gone. You get me what I'm saying?
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  Like it's off at you, like you're you're running on Tom tax
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  and he goes, oh, the Tom tax didn't work.
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  I'll get him with the fire and then the fire doesn't get you.
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  And then he's like, oh, but maybe we'll stab him a bit and
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  then the stabbing doesn't work. You're still going like we
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  better fucking shoot Riddle this guy with an M16.
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  And I was like, oh, yeah, too bad.
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  Oh no. You couldn't take.
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  You couldn't take 5000 rounds of machine gun bullets.
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  Oh, you don't get. Nobody.
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  Almost. But that's what I mean, I think
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  like he, he would change, he changed it up so that like
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  obviously we're going to get into the kinds of things that he
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  does, but like the, the, you've seen the extreme types of stuff
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  that he that he does in here. So obviously he ramps it up for
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  people who think. And, and also I've heard from
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  like testimonies from like the people who work there to be
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  like, yeah, we love this shit. We do it for free because we
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  want to like push the boundaries and we want to.
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  And it's just these guys who are like sadistic pieces of shit who
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  want to watch people suffer. So like, they're in there going
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  like, oh, if this person gets a 20 grand, I failed.
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  So they're going to fucking do whatever they can to make sure
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  that you don't get that 20 grand.
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  It's an unattainable objective is what I'm saying.
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  Yeah, I mean, yeah, but I also like I that's another thing that
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  I was, I was thinking about earlier as well.
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  It's just like I would like, I think I have enough anger issues
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  that I would take the job at McKinney Manor, just beat fuck
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  out of people all day. I would love that to.
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  Be honest with you. It seems like it will be a cool,
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  a cool gig until you kind of look around and the people that
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  you're doing the job with are kind of like cutting people
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  with, you know, I mean, like, did you see how much I stabbed
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  that guy? Look at my hand cock.
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  I'm so erect right now because I've got to fucking punch that
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  guy in the face. It just seems like that that's
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  that's what these guys, they've signed up to a job because
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  they're aroused by inflicting pain on people.
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  And this is not cool. I mean, I don't know, I would
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  have fun but like OK and. Yeah, you just see men running
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  in there. I like.
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  I would be like. Absolutely.
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  I like doing like Sabrina Carpenter, in every single one
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  of her music videos, she kills a man.
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  That's like, that's me. I'm just like, Oh no, someone's
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  dying today. Is some people going to death?
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  That's just me. Every every day at work.
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  That charge our Binks, you just did.
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  No, it's Do you remember South Park the movie?
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  It's like Operation Get Behind the Dark.
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  Games. Yeah, some people going to dash.
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  Is that not a jar Jar Binks reference?
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  No. I don't know.
• 22:37
  What came out first? The chicken or the egg?
• 22:39
  That movie or the South Park movie?
• 22:41
  I yeah, that's. The 5th right movie was. 99 No.
• 22:45
  I I know I was very young when I came out.
• 22:47
  I don't know what year it came. Echo What year did South Park
• 22:50
  the movie come out? 1990, Nine, 30th of June.
• 22:55
  Yeah, so why are you asking Echo if I just fucking told you?
• 22:58
  No, I was. Wasn't sure I wanted to clarify
• 23:00
  because you said it was it 99? Ask Ask Echo when Episode 1 Star
• 23:06
  Wars Episode 1 Phantom Menace came out.
• 23:08
  Echo When does Star Wars The Phantom Menace come out?
• 23:12
  We live in the future, don't we? That like you can just ask this
• 23:15
  box in the corner. Oh, July. 1999 So it came out
• 23:19
  after, huh? That's not.
• 23:22
  Then that there was my theory, because I was sure Jar Jar Binks
• 23:26
  came up or said like we saw people going to die.
• 23:30
  But maybe I'm just thinking that because he's a, he basically
• 23:35
  plays like a black slave and and then didn't there was a, there
• 23:42
  was an uproar about Jar Jar Binks, wasn't there?
• 23:45
  What's there? Why?
• 23:46
  Yeah, because he plays because that the exact thing that we're
• 23:51
  talking about with South Park where they use that black guy
• 23:53
  coming out using that slave voice is Jar Jar Binks whole
• 23:57
  character is he plays that kind of goofy, eh, stereotypical and
• 24:04
  black slave. Oh yes, a good Sir.
• 24:08
  Oh, I did not put that, Sir. Jaja Bing Sir.
• 24:11
  I I did not put that together because I'm not that.
• 24:14
  Racist. The past you did it.
• 24:15
  I'm I'm not that racist. I'm a little bit racist.
• 24:18
  I'm not that racist. You were you were too busy, like
• 24:21
  pulling heads off Barbie dolls in 1999 to to legit understand
• 24:25
  what was happening with Jar Jar Binks.
• 24:29
  I just remember like hating him and then I remember everybody
• 24:32
  hating him. I've never actually watched that
• 24:34
  movie. I don't Well, I don't like Star
• 24:36
  Wars. I watched the one that Pedro
• 24:39
  Pascal did and then because. It's The Mandalorian, which is,
• 24:43
  yeah, that's a part. But that was that was for for
• 24:46
  cranking purposes only, that I wasn't paying attention to the
• 24:49
  show. And then for Baby Yoda, I was
• 24:51
  like, that's so cute. That's it.
• 24:53
  First of all, his name is Grogu and second of all, how are you
• 24:56
  yanking it to the Mandalorian when by?
• 24:59
  I know he's there. All accounts.
• 25:01
  Like I know he's there. Yeah, he can't.
• 25:04
  I know. He's there.
• 25:04
  I know. It's him.
• 25:06
  That's all I need. So basically everybody loved I
• 25:10
  don't know, I'm not I'm not a massive Star Wars like I've I've
• 25:14
  watched all the Star Wars. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all
• 25:16
  the Star Wars. I love Star Wars.
• 25:18
  I just when you said I I didn't watch episode 1, I didn't get
• 25:21
  violently angry at you. So you can.
• 25:23
  Just you did it, kind of. I saw the eyes.
• 25:25
  I saw the eyes. Here.
• 25:26
  No, I I didn't. That's what I'm saying.
• 25:28
  I'm not like, I'm not that kind of a guy who'd be like, what?
• 25:31
  I'm so offended by that. You're for Dora, the lady.
• 25:38
  With The Mandalorian, they're kind of made-up because Boba
• 25:43
  Fett was so cool. Is that which one?
• 25:45
  Is that the gay one? Wanted to come.
• 25:46
  The gay robot. No, Boba Fett is the bounty
• 25:49
  hunter who basically right. He he ends up like he I think
• 25:53
  over the 1st 33 movies he has like 7 minutes, but everybody
• 26:00
  loves them so much because he was just badass.
• 26:02
  He was just a bounty hunter who like went around in this kind of
• 26:06
  a this armor. But then they came up for some
• 26:10
  reason that said like, oh, he's wearing armor belonging to a
• 26:12
  Mandalorian. And he's then they came up with
• 26:14
  this big fucking lore for Mandalorians being this these
• 26:18
  guys who are the enemies of the Jedi's and that they fought for
• 26:22
  hundreds of years in some other fucking space war.
• 26:25
  And yeah, it's just, it's they just kind of made-up a lore as
• 26:29
  they kind of go along, which I'm here for.
• 26:31
  Like, just. Have you ever watched the movie
• 26:34
  Fanboys? No.
• 26:36
  What's it about? It's based on like it's based in
• 26:41
  like 1998 just before Episode 1 comes out and these star War
• 26:47
  nerds go on a mission because their friend is terminal with
• 26:51
  cancer. And they go on a mission to
• 26:54
  break into what's his head's ranch, George Lucas's ranch, so
• 26:59
  that they can get the print of Episode 1 because they think
• 27:03
  their friend isn't going to survive.
• 27:05
  And then they get involved in all these different kind of
• 27:08
  obviously, like it's a road trip movie.
• 27:10
  So like, you know, madcap antics and shenanigans kind of ensue.
• 27:15
  But there's a scene in that where Seth Rogen shows up and he
• 27:20
  plays a Star Wars fan. He actually played, he has two,
• 27:23
  he plays 2 characters. And that one's a Star Trek fan.
• 27:25
  And there's a Star Wars fan that's funny, but the Star Wars
• 27:27
  fan in anticipation for Episode 1 coming out in a few months, he
• 27:34
  got a full back tattoo of Jar Jar Binks.
• 27:37
  And then I haven't heard anything about this guy yet, but
• 27:42
  I bet he's going to be the best character in the whole.
• 27:45
  Thing. Absolutely.
• 27:45
  I'm sold. It's a good, it's a good movie.
• 27:51
  I have to watch it, but I watched them all of the Family
• 27:54
  Guy parodies of it, and that's pretty close, right?
• 27:57
  The blue harvest, yeah, they they got a pretty.
• 27:59
  They're really good. I really enjoyed those, but it's
• 28:02
  just like when I sit down to watch the action and I have
• 28:04
  tried, it's just not for me. I just can't get into it.
• 28:08
  And like I I dated a guy and you know, a little rat face looking
• 28:12
  one that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember
• 28:18
  Little Rat Boy. In hell, half of the fucking
• 28:23
  like I remember like breaking up with him and half of the OTT
• 28:26
  roster were just like, why were you with him?
• 28:29
  I was. Like, I don't know.
• 28:32
  I just know I knew him from like seeing him like in the Thomas
• 28:34
  house a few times, like just being or was or was it?
• 28:38
  Gypsy. Laughs or something like that
• 28:40
  and he was just at an annoyance. They never let him into laughs
• 28:44
  because he was a fucking weirdo and then he started like.
• 28:49
  So the night. I I will tell you this story.
• 28:51
  I don't care. He doesn't listen to this or
• 28:52
  maybe he does. I don't care.
• 28:54
  The night that we broke up, it was like he made a holy fucking
• 28:57
  show with me because he used to just get so drunk and just start
• 29:00
  fights with people and it was always like so fucking
• 29:05
  embarrassing. So I broke up him and I left him
• 29:11
  there right after the show actually.
• 29:12
  And then we all went to Gypsy Rose and that was the first
• 29:16
  night that I hooked up with. And then.
• 29:19
  Danny, Danny, Speaking of getting drunk, you've definitely
• 29:25
  told this story in this podcast. There's no doubt in my.
• 29:27
  Mind is. This where he went home with you
• 29:29
  anyways. Yeah, actually.
• 29:35
  You have like 4. Stories, I know, but then I.
• 29:43
  By telling. You that I play events in the
• 29:45
  part where he who shall not be named that he shoulder checked
• 29:49
  him and then he didn't even notice.
• 29:51
  Yeah yeah, I didn't mention that.
• 29:52
  Whatever that was funny anyway. Rap boy teeter rap boy.
• 30:00
  He's got it with a girl name though.
• 30:01
  Her parents like won the lottery.
• 30:05
  So did he then. No, like he used to make fun of
• 30:08
  her all the time and then say that oh with all her money she
• 30:10
  could have gotten her teeth fixed.
• 30:11
  She looks like she can eat an apple through a tennis.
• 30:14
  What? Him, yeah, he was awful about
• 30:17
  her, like really awful about her.
• 30:19
  And they're still together now, I think.
• 30:21
  I think they're together like 8-9 years now, which fair played
• 30:25
  to her she anyway. So where are we right?
• 30:33
  So what happens inside the Manor?
• 30:35
  McKinney Manor is a full contact event that is custom tailored to
• 30:38
  each participant's personal fears which are uncovered during
• 30:43
  the screening process. This can reportedly last four to
• 30:46
  10 hours and involves actors physically and psychologically
• 30:50
  tormenting participants. Now, so he this military
• 30:56
  background that he claims to have is apparently where he is
• 31:01
  able to like deep dive and get everybody's like like I said on
• 31:07
  the last episode, like he's proven like he's basically
• 31:12
  pulled out a bunch of like texts and calls from someone cheating
• 31:16
  on his wife and like live stream them on this.
• 31:19
  No, that this, this isn't, this isn't as clever as you think it
• 31:24
  is, Danny. I know we're.
• 31:25
  Just So what? It's funny to me, anyway.
• 31:27
  No, but he did. No, but he doesn't go into like
• 31:30
  a deep dive on on them. What he does is he, he puts
• 31:36
  people into like he doesn't. Let me have any magic in my
• 31:39
  life. No, no, no, no, no.
• 31:41
  But it is, it is interesting. You're right.
• 31:42
  And what you're saying he has fucked up people's lives, but
• 31:46
  it's not because he's some grateful and hacker or some
• 31:48
  genius. Like all this is the scumbag
• 31:52
  that he is, right? So he puts people into like the
• 31:56
  screening process involves like obviously he gives you the, the,
• 32:01
  the waiver that you will have to look through and you let him
• 32:05
  basically, or let the, the people involved like punch you
• 32:09
  and kick you and yeah, put your hair off and fucking you might
• 32:12
  get caught. All this kind of stuff is on the
• 32:13
  waiver. But as well as that, there's a
• 32:15
  big kind of test or like a questionnaire that you have to
• 32:21
  answer and then you put out what like your biggest fears are and
• 32:24
  all this kind of stuff. You've got options of stuff that
• 32:27
  is off limits apparently. And then like they put you into
• 32:34
  a group chat. So like a, either a WhatsApp or
• 32:38
  like a Facebook group where it's you, the actors, Russ Mccamey
• 32:45
  himself and maybe some other participants.
• 32:50
  So what happened in this particular time that I, this is
• 32:54
  all, don't get me wrong, This is what I believe you're talking
• 32:56
  about, is that this woman and a man who were in the same group
• 33:01
  chat got quite friendly and kind of added each other on Facebook
• 33:07
  outside of the group chat. And they kind of bonded over
• 33:11
  the, the what, what was going to happen then?
• 33:16
  Like, you know, they were nervous about it, but they were
• 33:18
  looking forward to this thing. And eh, your one was divorcing.
• 33:23
  She was separated from her husband's.
• 33:25
  OK. Yes.
• 33:27
  So she was separated from her husband and the older fella
• 33:30
  claimed he was separated from his wife, right.
• 33:34
  So they got very friendly, got romantic and then, eh, like
• 33:38
  first it was friendly and then they got romantic and it kind of
• 33:41
  it got a little bit heated. Ross twigged on the the in the
• 33:50
  group chat that these are getting a little bit friendly
• 33:52
  and he got onto the actors to kind of like dig a little bit in
• 33:56
  and figure out their stuff and question them.
• 33:58
  And then he fucking, I don't know, like while she when she
• 34:04
  arrived to go do this, her husband went where even though
• 34:08
  they were separated, the husband went where because he was like,
• 34:11
  this sounds dodgy. It sounds fucked up.
• 34:13
  I just want to make sure that you're safe.
• 34:15
  So he flew out to this place in AI think it was.
• 34:19
  I think it was San Diego at the time.
• 34:21
  It could be the Alabama place. But he no matter what, he flew
• 34:24
  out and just to make sure she was going to be cool.
• 34:26
  Yeah. And I think your man Ross got
• 34:28
  kind of both hurt that she had brought someone.
• 34:32
  So he went and outed the two of them on Facebook.
• 34:36
  Like he just went and sat delivering the screenshots on
• 34:40
  Facebook and it turns out that your man, your one's husband
• 34:46
  knew about your man and that they were friendly and that they
• 34:49
  were kind of hooking up. But he did say like, OK, this is
• 34:52
  the end of it anyways, I'm fighting for divorce now.
• 34:54
  They were separated. But this was the kind of kick
• 34:56
  that he said like we'll get a divorce.
• 34:59
  But with the dude, he never. He said that he was separated
• 35:04
  from his wife, but apparently not the case.
• 35:07
  And that's where he got into the shit.
• 35:09
  So he was this was going to be a psychological play on the the
• 35:12
  woman when she was coming to do her thing, but it kind of ruined
• 35:15
  the other dudes life because he got caught then by his wife for
• 35:21
  Lion and basically having an online relationship with this
• 35:27
  with this older woman who was going to do Mccanni Manor.
• 35:30
  But like his wife found out and went fucking.
• 35:33
  She hit the fan and went ape shit.
• 35:34
  Like, yeah, so that's there wasn't a big kind of a or I'm
• 35:39
  going to do background checks on you and then I'm going to figure
• 35:41
  this out and I'm going to hack your computer or something like
• 35:43
  that. He was just a spiteful cunt who
• 35:45
  just went and did that without. Like she didn't even, she didn't
• 35:50
  even get to the fucking manner yet like.
• 35:52
  Yeah. That's.
• 35:53
  Bizarre though, like that's almost that's almost worse than
• 35:59
  like having it used against you psychologically in.
• 36:03
  It's actually other it wasn't even like a psychological thing.
• 36:05
  It was just baffling to me. It was kind of out of nowhere.
• 36:07
  He was just like, I'm just gonna out these people as being
• 36:09
  cheaters, like Dickhead. Yeah, he does.
• 36:12
  He does seem like fucking insane though, like legit like someone
• 36:18
  who would be spiteful like that. But also that's not really
• 36:20
  fucking with him and I, I don't know Anyway, like we'll we'll,
• 36:23
  we'll get into it. OK, so worry so experiences
• 36:31
  whereas right so reported activities and scenarios
• 36:33
  participants may be subjected to include physical assault, so
• 36:38
  being slapped, shoved, kicked and restrained by the actors,
• 36:42
  water related torture, simulated waterboarding or actual
• 36:46
  waterboarding and being submerged or held on now.
• 36:49
  So I waterboarded myself before just to see what what it's like.
• 36:54
  Right. First of all, you didn't.
• 36:57
  Yeah. You put a cloth on your face,
• 36:59
  pour water and then and then easily remove.
• 37:03
  That I just wanted to see what it felt like.
• 37:16
  Yeah. Well, I just wanted to see what
• 37:19
  this sensation felt like. I was like, am I actually going
• 37:21
  to like feel like I'm drowning even though like psychologically
• 37:24
  I know I'm not like didn't have the fear, but it isn't bad.
• 37:29
  It's not. It doesn't feel nice.
• 37:31
  It's not good. I I've I've had a water boarding
• 37:35
  experience as well. Back when I was a teenager, we
• 37:37
  used to fuck with each other like a lot like you.
• 37:40
  Know water boarding other. It was the MTV generation.
• 37:44
  Like someone went. So like, I think I fell asleep
• 37:49
  first at a party, and I woke up abruptly with my hands and legs
• 37:54
  being held, a tea, tea towel thrown on my face and bottles of
• 37:57
  water just poured all over me. Yeah.
• 37:59
  So like, I know what, you know what simulated drowning feels
• 38:03
  like? And it's not fun at all.
• 38:05
  It's not like even when I could have taken.
• 38:07
  Yeah, but I also, I've also done it to other people as well.
• 38:10
  So like, that's, that's, that's great Crack war boarding.
• 38:14
  Awful. Boy, what?
• 38:17
  Terrible, you guys. Do disgusting things to each
• 38:21
  other as sleepovers like disgusting thing and.
• 38:25
  You did it yourself, yeah. That's different.
• 38:27
  No one else is suffering but me at the hands of me, and I do
• 38:30
  that every day anyway, like with my own life.
• 38:34
  This, this kind of stuff, this kind of stuff, this this rough
• 38:39
  and this rough and tumble life that we lead as boys toughens
• 38:42
  you for for the life. I think I, I, I've three
• 38:47
  brothers, right. I, I think I can handle.
• 38:49
  I have a very, very low pain threshold.
• 38:52
  I was covered in tattoos. I've got like people who are
• 38:56
  like, my God, you sat so well for that.
• 38:59
  Like what the fuck, Like what grown men that would cry getting
• 39:01
  this spot done and I'm just like, I'm dead inside.
• 39:04
  So it would make sense that I don't really feel a lot of pain.
• 39:08
  So I think like I could probably like, withstand a good amount of
• 39:13
  physical pain when it comes to Mccamie Manor.
• 39:16
  But psychological pain? No, no, no, I'm hanging on by.
• 39:21
  I'm the same as you. I think I'm the same as you in
• 39:24
  that regards. Like physical pain, I'm OK, but
• 39:26
  obviously I'm I'm a wrestler. I I live in a great deal of
• 39:29
  physical pain because. Every day.
• 39:31
  Yeah. Like every day my.
• 39:33
  Back my back is in bits. It's like, and I always said
• 39:37
  that like so obviously Dayton Matt for for seven years who's
• 39:39
  who's a wrestler and it would be like an ailment that would carry
• 39:44
  on for weeks and weeks and weeks, months at a time maybe.
• 39:46
  And he would, there wouldn't be a day goes by that he's not in
• 39:49
  pain with something. And it had gotten to a point
• 39:52
  where I was like, why don't you just fucking like take, take
• 39:54
  some fucking painkillers? He's like, no, because if you're
• 39:57
  in pain every fucking day of your life and you're taking pain
• 40:00
  meds every day of your life, he's like, that's how the 80s
• 40:03
  happened. And.
• 40:05
  I was just like. That's a good point, actually.
• 40:08
  Yeah. But I just like I'm.
• 40:10
  I'm good with pain, but I could never imagine what you guys go
• 40:13
  through and just. Being in, yeah, I don't, I don't
• 40:17
  do painkillers or stuff like that as well.
• 40:19
  How do you manage it? Obviously it's it.
• 40:22
  Well, I've had it so sexy before.
• 40:26
  Like like I was like, oh fucking, I've got a headache
• 40:29
  like, and sometimes like I'll take a paracetamol.
• 40:34
  Paracetamol. You have no effect on me.
• 40:38
  Like I live, I live at such a level of pain and discomfort
• 40:44
  normally. Yeah, like, like something like
• 40:48
  that wouldn't do anything for me.
• 40:49
  So like, I would eventually have to go like I've, I've been hit
• 40:53
  with a, with tramadol before or like, you know, something,
• 40:58
  something that will kind of like, kind of do the trick.
• 41:02
  And then you're like, oh, is this how people feel normally?
• 41:06
  And then you can get how people get addicted to painkillers
• 41:08
  because they're like, oh, this, like, this is nice.
• 41:11
  But like the problem is you have to go for a heavier and heavier
• 41:15
  dose together. Yeah, because your body.
• 41:16
  'S after a while yeah, you're just going to get like no effect
• 41:20
  from it so that's why I don't feel like I'd rather live with
• 41:23
  pain than addiction so yeah it's.
• 41:25
  Kind of the like the only time that I I have to take them is so
• 41:29
  I'm I'm prone to migraines, not so much now I used.
• 41:32
  To get them a lot, but it's. Only I know, but it's literally
• 41:40
  only because I I can't like it's.
• 41:45
  You're sorry? I just I.
• 41:47
  Complained about how I live in pain there for a while and then
• 41:50
  the minute you were like, oh, I've got some pain, I'm like,
• 41:52
  oh. I get it.
• 41:56
  No, no, I genuinely, I complain so much.
• 42:00
  That's fine, but now this is the pain, right And my mom even was
• 42:02
  always just like I fucking get up and do something when he had
• 42:05
  migraines. People who say that have never
• 42:07
  had a migraine because it is absolutely debilitating.
• 42:10
  So the only time that I will take something usually is if I
• 42:14
  have one because it's literally like, right.
• 42:16
  The only way I can describe it is if someone is just inside my
• 42:21
  eyeball and just turning things around and it feels like a
• 42:26
  heaviness to the point where I can't lift my head because I'm
• 42:30
  just it hurts so much. I get nauseous with it.
• 42:33
  I have to have light sensitivity.
• 42:35
  I can't like any, any noise that the cattle meow and it just goes
• 42:38
  through me like a knife. Like it's really, really bad,
• 42:41
  right? And they don't have they fuck
• 42:44
  all cure for that. So I've been getting that since
• 42:46
  I was a teenager and I just been told, yeah, you're just prone to
• 42:48
  them. So there's nothing I can do to
• 42:51
  avoid them. St. loads water.
• 42:53
  I was like, I have 3 Stanley Cups or £60.
• 42:58
  You don't think I'm getting my fucking water?
• 43:00
  Like my water and every day fuck you, you just get them.
• 43:03
  And like, I remember I was like the the other worst pain that
• 43:07
  I've ever had is I have an IUD, the one lady that listens to
• 43:11
  this podcast, you know, you know, but I had it in and it
• 43:18
  like basically it's like this tiny little wire teeth thing,
• 43:20
  which men should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.
• 43:24
  You know, it's it's the the copper little coiled bronze
• 43:27
  teeth that they put on your cervix and twist it around and
• 43:31
  he'll it chokes your service cervix so that my little
• 43:35
  swimmers can't go inside your little womb and get into your
• 43:39
  little fallopian tubes and give your little egg a little kiss.
• 43:41
  And then you'll have a little baby come out.
• 43:43
  And then you'll resent, regret and resent that child for the
• 43:46
  rest of your life. So that painful little copper
• 43:49
  tea thing kind of worth it. Did I describe that?
• 43:55
  OK, are. You done.
• 43:58
  Are you done trying to describe it?
• 44:00
  Did I? Did I get it though?
• 44:03
  Kind of but like. No.
• 44:16
  You did like you did. So basically the the whole thing
• 44:18
  is it's extremely toxic to sperm and they don't make it that far.
• 44:24
  So the the copper is what like kills them?
• 44:28
  Yeah. I was wondering why it was
• 44:29
  copper. Yeah, yeah, that.
• 44:30
  Makes sense so you can have a hormonal and a non hormonal I
• 44:36
  have the non hormonal which was the biggest mistake of my
• 44:42
  fucking life because if you get the hormonal one you don't get
• 44:45
  periods which is the copper one that you do.
• 44:48
  So when I was like a kid my my periods were so painful.
• 44:53
  I got about like 12 was made sense because I had fucking
• 44:56
  double D's by 14, but I literally it was like not I'm
• 45:02
  just like, yeah, first of all, tell me more.
• 45:08
  Yeah, I like the story. This is an hour of medium Danny,
• 45:14
  don't fucking try and out me as a fucking pedo.
• 45:17
  Don't nod. I was literally just nodding
• 45:21
  along to the to what you were saying.
• 45:24
  What? It is fine.
• 45:25
  If you did, extra nods. That's what I was.
• 45:29
  Just I was just agreeing, I wasn't saying.
• 45:32
  Language. I never mentioned anything about
• 45:37
  you being a 14 year old with double D's.
• 45:39
  Now I would like you to retract whatever that insinuation is
• 45:44
  about me. I am.
• 45:45
  OK, OK, OK, OK. OK I love the MILF.
• 45:50
  Anyway, So yeah, so they're already painful.
• 45:54
  And then I was on the pill for. Like.
• 45:57
  First of all, I just, I will, I will backtrack here a little
• 46:00
  bit. I'll backtrack here a little bit
• 46:03
  if ever there was, but if ever it was a paedophile argument, it
• 46:08
  is. I don't even like paedophiles.
• 46:09
  I like Grant or I don't even like children.
• 46:11
  I like grannies. You just go for the opposite of
• 46:14
  the spectrum. Fucking why?
• 46:17
  What do you mean like fuck dogs? No way I wouldn't fuck a dog.
• 46:20
  I'm only interested in cats. I mean, I fucking.
• 46:23
  Women I like. But anyway, so yeah, I got it.
• 46:31
  Like I was like, right, I was on the pill from when I was 12
• 46:35
  because my periods were like so bad.
• 46:37
  I remember my mom telling me don't be telling anyone that
• 46:39
  you're on that now because I had no idea that it was for the
• 46:42
  writing and to not get pregnant. I just thought these are going
• 46:45
  to help me not be doubled over in pain for like 4 days out of
• 46:49
  the fucking month, right? So I, I did like I did that.
• 46:55
  I was on the pill for years and years and years.
• 46:57
  Moved over here, went and got the coil.
• 46:59
  Worst fucking experience of my life, right.
• 47:02
  And the doctor, when she was putting it in, she was like, all
• 47:03
  right, so you haven't had a real period in like 15 years.
• 47:08
  And I was just like, what does that mean?
• 47:11
  Because when I was on the pill, 4 days come at 7:00 AM on a
• 47:16
  Saturday morning on the fucking dot every, I knew it.
• 47:20
  No pain, nothing best ever. And she was like, that's going
• 47:24
  to go away. You're going to be miserable and
• 47:26
  I'm just going to be like, alright, well whatever, I can't
• 47:27
  be that bad. Like you can't fucking hurt
• 47:29
  that. Fuck me, right?
• 47:32
  I was just like, is this what periods are bad?
• 47:33
  But I was like bleeding for like a month straight, right?
• 47:38
  And I was in agony. And then I collapsed with the
• 47:41
  pain and I was like, that's why. Is just what periods are
• 47:45
  apparently. I was rushed to hospital and it
• 47:50
  had perforated my uterus so it like that she'd put it in.
• 47:56
  So I have any men reading this set.
• 48:00
  I'm not defective I just have a tilt in my cervix.
• 48:06
  Most men would say that I'm an 8 or 9 out of 10 I.
• 48:09
  Wonder who tilted that for you? And I'm available to any
• 48:12
  interested men who would like to get my number after the show.
• 48:18
  Any any men out there who would like to perforate her womb?
• 48:25
  555 wonky badge We would like to tank wonky badge for her,
• 48:33
  continued. I do it goes up.
• 48:39
  So if you if you if you put your penis in, I go up and over.
• 48:45
  I don't just go straight up. I have like a.
• 48:48
  You go open over. You know what you're like?
• 48:50
  Yeah. Like so yeah, basically I have
• 48:54
  like a one like slanted, I have a slanted, A tilted youth like
• 48:59
  uterus. So that's something like, yeah,
• 49:02
  but like. What's that got to do with the
• 49:06
  sorry if to anybody listen to this now happen to fucking
• 49:09
  describe Danny's genitalia? What has that got to do with
• 49:13
  your vaginal canal? So like.
• 49:16
  It's tilted so you can't, so she put it in just.
• 49:19
  Tilted. Yeah, my uterus sits further
• 49:23
  back than like the average. It's like this when usually it's
• 49:29
  like that, right? So she put it in just fucking
• 49:33
  standard army issued IUD, just like there you go, That's where
• 49:37
  it's supposed to be. And that's why it perforated,
• 49:40
  because it wasn't in the right place.
• 49:41
  And then I was in agony because I was being fucking internally
• 49:45
  stabbed. And then I had to go to A and.
• 49:48
  E Not the first time. No, but they brought me in in a
• 49:51
  fucking wheelchair, right? A wheelchair.
• 49:55
  They're bringing me through A&E and I'm like, I can, I'm
• 49:58
  absolutely fine to walk. And they're like, Nope, we're
• 50:00
  not sure to have you walking around with a fucking like
• 50:02
  wrongly fitted fucking copper like knife in your fucking
• 50:09
  uterus. And I was like, all right, So
• 50:12
  she brought me in and I had to and I cried getting it put in
• 50:16
  because it was so painful. So within the first 2-3 weeks I
• 50:21
  had to have that put in, taken back out, put back in again.
• 50:26
  And it was the worst pain I've ever experienced.
• 50:29
  And I've had like 3 different surgeries and broken things like
• 50:32
  I that's the worst pain I've ever felt.
• 50:36
  So I feel like the only way that I could be like tapped out
• 50:41
  Mccainy Manor when it comes to pain is if they just.
• 50:44
  Yeah, we're talking about Mccainy Manor.
• 50:46
  That's. Fucking you're really
• 50:49
  interested? In it though, I can see that
• 50:50
  you're like okay, this is actually an episode about sexual
• 50:55
  Wellness, not small. But I'm like, I think that the
• 50:58
  only way that they could get me to tap out pain wise is if they
• 51:01
  just fitted me another IUD and they fitted it wrong And I'd be
• 51:04
  like no about that or pulled my toenails out because that just
• 51:08
  scares me. I've never had it done, but I've
• 51:10
  seen it done and it scares the fuck out of me.
• 51:13
  I have a weird thing about my toenails and like my feet in
• 51:15
  general. I don't know why I don't mind
• 51:17
  feet, but my feet, I don't want people touching them.
• 51:21
  Like, I don't know, it's weird. It's weird.
• 51:25
  I'm not a fuck I, I'm not a, I'm not a.
• 51:28
  My mate Adam is like not he fucking hates feet and then I
• 51:32
  just keep sending him like foot fetish memes.
• 51:35
  I know his algorithm is fucked on Instagram because I keep
• 51:38
  sending. Him This is why you don't tell
• 51:40
  anybody what like this stuff you hate.
• 51:43
  You know how like how many times a year I get sent like people in
• 51:49
  baths of ketchup or drinking ketchup bra and stuff like that
• 51:52
  because I told people that I have an aversion to ketchup.
• 51:55
  I can't be I got better. I during the pandemic, I went
• 52:00
  from construction, eh, because this closed down all the sites
• 52:04
  and I start, I went cleaning dishes in a local restaurant
• 52:08
  because I was sick of sitting at home.
• 52:10
  And that kind of fixed my aversion to catch up because I
• 52:14
  was like, I have to be there at all the time.
• 52:15
  What is it about ketchup? Not just the smell to feel like
• 52:18
  I didn't, I didn't go near like condiments or like the 1st 15
• 52:24
  years of my life. That.
• 52:25
  Is it specifically ketchup or is it just condiments in general?
• 52:28
  It's kind of specifically ketchup now, because that's what
• 52:30
  I kind of I I attribute it like, but like it would have been all
• 52:36
  sauces. I think like my biggest, like
• 52:39
  one of the biggest XI would see is like my dad used to come home
• 52:42
  from the pub steam and absolutely fucking you know,
• 52:45
  Beluba's the same as the rest of us did when we were yeah,
• 52:48
  whenever a scene that he had 1/4 pounder bitten, I was like this
• 52:53
  is going to be hell for me. I can't stay in the same.
• 52:55
  Room. Because you know, like so ever
• 52:57
  watch someone drunkenly eating 1/4 pounder or like.
• 53:01
  Yeah. Yeah, and it just mayonnaise
• 53:04
  just slopping out their mouth, like.
• 53:06
  Yeah, I don't like people eating either.
• 53:07
  Awesome. Disgusting.
• 53:10
  Stop. Stop soaking off that burger
• 53:13
  like. I'm not, I'm not a sauce person.
• 53:15
  Like I don't, it's weird. Like I don't like anything with
• 53:19
  a comi texture apart from comb. Like I'll I'll go to comb, but
• 53:23
  like I'm just like if it's sauce or if it's like even like a
• 53:26
  milkshake, I can't really do. Could sauce and comb not have
• 53:30
  the same kind? Of comb is a little bit thinner.
• 53:33
  I guess it's not as like what's the word like congealed?
• 53:38
  Not the word. Depends, to be honest with you,
• 53:40
  it depends. I know we're getting into, we're
• 53:42
  now getting into the textures of combos.
• 53:44
  We're getting into phobias though.
• 53:46
  Like I don't, I don't know. But like, I like, I mean,
• 53:49
  sometimes like what you're, you're shooting rope and it's
• 53:52
  like that's fine. And then sometimes it's really
• 53:55
  watery. I'll I'll tell you this, it's
• 53:57
  the the level of horniness actually dictates I don't want.
• 54:02
  I've just talked about my niece and nephew told me that they
• 54:04
  listen to. This, well, they have to learn.
• 54:07
  They'll know. Listen, stop listening to this
• 54:09
  for a second because because your uncle is going to start.
• 54:12
  You're talking about mayonnaise now.
• 54:17
  We're not talking about anything else we're talking about.
• 54:19
  Man mayonnaise, but the level of horniness will dictate how much
• 54:26
  and the kind of viscosity involved.
• 54:29
  I didn't. Know so like so if I was now I
• 54:33
  only know what true myself so like other men can dispute this
• 54:35
  if there is any man out there listen let's face it, who is
• 54:39
  listening to. This Claire.
• 54:40
  Claire, we love you. Claire, if you want to answer
• 54:42
  this question too, please do, because your interaction is all
• 54:46
  we have and we love it and we need it.
• 54:48
  We did actually. I did.
• 54:50
  I did. I did come for her.
• 54:52
  Not in that day. Jesus, Claire.
• 54:54
  Sorry. Fuck.
• 54:56
  No, she said. She said that we came for her.
• 54:59
  We attacked her a little bit on the the one episode where we
• 55:01
  said that she was our one listener and we called her
• 55:04
  stupid. Wow.
• 55:07
  We love you. Yeah.
• 55:08
  If you've listened, if you've if you're still listening to this
• 55:11
  podcast, you're something fucking wrong with.
• 55:13
  Her like you don't even like, I hope you know that you don't
• 55:15
  have to listen like you can just if you want to support us, just
• 55:17
  press play and walk away from whatever device you've got it
• 55:20
  on. That's fine.
• 55:21
  It won't. Support us like we're getting,
• 55:24
  not an algorithm except for a conversation like play at all
• 55:28
  this. Is our excuse for a friendship.
• 55:30
  Like we're like, yeah, we can be friends, but like, only if other
• 55:34
  people listen to us be friends. Let's not have conversations
• 55:40
  unless it's dictated to by. And then even even then, Alex
• 55:44
  has completely added the conference.
• 55:50
  There's a lot of redacted in last week's while I.
• 55:52
  Think I didn't listen to it? Was it that bad?
• 55:55
  Did he say the word like I? Asked I I just Spotify has the
• 56:04
  the all generated chapters now so I just Fast forward to see
• 56:09
  like did you, because you said a lot of stuff that would have got
• 56:14
  us in trouble and I think it's like.
• 56:16
  I. Cover my ass and find out.
• 56:18
  The alien word I was episode. I said like died like 50
• 56:21
  different times. I stopped by that.
• 56:23
  That's fine. I eat pussy, so I can say that
• 56:27
  yeah, he just. Why are we talking about?
• 56:31
  COM texture apparently. Oh yeah, yes.
• 56:37
  The hornier get, the more build up there is, then the more ropes
• 56:40
  you shoot and the kind of the the more this viscosity there is
• 56:50
  involved. You know what I mean?
• 56:50
  That's I love that word. Yeah.
• 56:52
  It's chunky. Anyway, Chewy.
• 56:59
  No. Yeah, I did that to myself as
• 57:04
  well. So don't just feel like that.
• 57:05
  I've done nothing to. Use of all of the things you
• 57:08
  could have said. Oh, all right, OK, all right.
• 57:18
  This is. Work.
• 57:19
  We're an hour in and I've no claim.
• 57:22
  Just got past water torture 2nd. Point of what?
• 57:28
  Actually happened. Oh, that was like one of the
• 57:39
  best Eminem songs ever. Was business Eminem show
• 57:43
  actually flawless album so forced ingestion which brings us
• 57:50
  back to calm and. Yeah, but tell us more about
• 57:57
  Mckamie Manor. Not just your dating life.
• 58:02
  So forced ingestion, being forced to eat and drink unknown
• 58:07
  substances, ropy substances, and in and in and in some reports,
• 58:15
  being forced to consume their own vomit.
• 58:18
  No, I will say right, I shouldn't say this, but I will
• 58:22
  say this. If it's come from me, I don't
• 58:26
  think it'll gross me out too much to to take it back in.
• 58:30
  The vomit. The vomit, I think I could be
• 58:32
  like, it's already been in there.
• 58:34
  It's yeah, you know, I. Don't.
• 58:36
  I'm kind of the same with my with my own like partner
• 58:39
  functions. I don't mind.
• 58:40
  If it's if it's someone else's like vomit, no fucking way.
• 58:45
  But I'm like, oh, it's just, it's already been there.
• 58:47
  It's just going back in there. It's not really that much of
• 58:50
  like it's, it's not a big like I was fucking a guy for a while
• 58:56
  who had a fetish of eating his own cum off my face.
• 59:01
  And that freaked me out. But I was just like, because
• 59:04
  like only because I didn't know what to do.
• 59:06
  Like, what do you do when he's already finished?
• 59:08
  You're just lying there like. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:13
  Just letting him do it. I'm like, I'm like, you go off
• 59:16
  King. That's that's fine.
• 59:18
  I didn't see. I'd be in my own it's I I
• 59:21
  genuinely feel nothing like like it's, it's not a big deal like.
• 59:25
  I don't even think it's any different Different like it's.
• 59:27
  Not the worst I've tasted. No, I'm like when a guy, like,
• 59:29
  fucks you and then he's like, Oh yeah, taste yourself.
• 59:31
  And you're like, yeah, OK. It's like, what the fuck?
• 59:35
  I don't know what I'm doing. Guys, this is no porn.
• 59:38
  Again, again to my to my nephew and niece, I don't apologize.
• 59:45
  My niece is 19. I don't think she doesn't.
• 59:47
  I think she has better taste. Yeah, that's.
• 59:49
  Yeah, mine are also that of that like you know, they're, they're
• 59:54
  of the age that they're allowed to.
• 59:56
  Allow. Do whatever they like.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah, they could be. They could be all of that kind
• 1:00:03
  of stuff. Now I don't.
• 1:00:05
  Be at that now. Stop it, the children.
• 1:00:08
  I hope they're not. I fucking find out that my.
• 1:00:10
  Niece, find out you're letting us shop, lick his own come off
• 1:00:15
  your face. I'm telling your mommy.
• 1:00:21
  Why do you have to say like that?
• 1:00:27
  I want to be the cool uncle, but you're letting the degenerate.
• 1:00:33
  Oh, OK, anyway, right, let's go on.
• 1:00:37
  Gave me manner. We'll leave it there, right?
• 1:00:45
  So sensory and phobia based torment, right?
• 1:00:50
  This is I can't deal with this because I could so easily deal
• 1:00:57
  with this being bound and gagged.
• 1:00:59
  Done it. Fucking what else you got?
• 1:01:02
  Having insects like roaches placed on their face and in
• 1:01:06
  their mouth again. I've eaten an actual scorpion,
• 1:01:10
  don't bother me. Having their head shaved.
• 1:01:14
  I my head is too fat for a shaved head, I'd probably tap
• 1:01:20
  out there. I don't think I can make that
• 1:01:21
  look good. Like I don't think I'd have.
• 1:01:23
  I don't have like the the Sinead O'Connor head.
• 1:01:27
  I have like the fucking Barney Gumble head where I would just
• 1:01:29
  look ridiculous. I get you the the Michael
• 1:01:33
  Jackson in in The Simpsons, that kind of.
• 1:01:36
  That's that's exactly what it is.
• 1:01:40
  And then my. Head My head is a like.
• 1:01:43
  I obviously have a wonderful head of hair.
• 1:01:45
  I you have a gorge head of hair and I think that would be my
• 1:01:49
  only fear for you because your hair is.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah, like beautiful. I get my grows back and it's not
• 1:01:55
  a big fucking. Yeah, for a man.
• 1:01:58
  My problem is my head is very oddly shaped.
• 1:02:03
  You're like that. Fucking American Horror Story.
• 1:02:06
  The the fucking what's the the the pin head pepper?
• 1:02:11
  Kind of kind of in that like I've got lumps and bumps.
• 1:02:14
  I've got like triceratops features like I've there's a
• 1:02:17
  kind of a dip in the middle of my head.
• 1:02:19
  But also I hit a ring post once and I've got like a 7 inch
• 1:02:23
  boomerang kind of scar on the side of my head when I split my
• 1:02:27
  head open And I've just kind of like I'm all over like not that
• 1:02:31
  scars are a big deal, but like I've just, I think if I shave my
• 1:02:34
  head now it would kind of it would look too.
• 1:02:37
  Odd. I think you're at the point
• 1:02:39
  though, like I think your hairline is serving you well,
• 1:02:41
  that you'll never need to shave your head because it's like it's
• 1:02:44
  pretty straight and dead on and like the burns are like looking
• 1:02:47
  good. Like, I don't think you're.
• 1:02:48
  Is it going back a bit tall? I don't know.
• 1:02:50
  I'm looking at now like, is it? I think it's just the way you've
• 1:02:52
  got it pulled back and I think it just might be like your roots
• 1:02:55
  are a little bit like lighter in the light.
• 1:02:57
  I don't think it's going back though.
• 1:03:00
  Sorry. We're just sucking each other's
• 1:03:01
  Dicks on this episode. All right?
• 1:03:05
  So, yeah, so threatened with teeth pulling or Now listen,
• 1:03:09
  it's been a long time since I've been to a dentist.
• 1:03:11
  I could probably use teeth pull and then I could go and use my
• 1:03:15
  insurance and be like, I was abused.
• 1:03:17
  And then they'd be like, let's pay for your Med here.
• 1:03:19
  Dental bills, queen. Let's send you to Turkey and get
• 1:03:22
  you a whole fucking set of veneers.
• 1:03:24
  So again. I've literally pulled my auntie
• 1:03:27
  out so. I've had to do it before.
• 1:03:29
  I did the string thing with my. Well I made my sister do it, but
• 1:03:35
  I it was like it was coming out anyway.
• 1:03:38
  And a baby tooth. It was a baby tooth, yeah, but I
• 1:03:41
  was like. Like it compares.
• 1:03:45
  I like I have weird. So I have really, and this is
• 1:03:48
  the thing. This is why I want I want to get
• 1:03:50
  veneers because I have my lips filled and my teeth look too
• 1:03:54
  small for my mouth now that I have these big fucking blowjob
• 1:03:57
  lips and I look like a crackhead like anyway, like I look like
• 1:04:01
  what's that? Johnny Depp is in it Sleepy
• 1:04:06
  Hollow and he has like the file down pointy teeth.
• 1:04:09
  Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, I feel like I look like I
• 1:04:11
  know that I don't, but I'm like, that's just how I don't.
• 1:04:13
  Look. Like I know, but like fucking
• 1:04:16
  yeah. Anyway, so teeth pulling more
• 1:04:19
  tattoos now tattoos I can get why some people would freak the
• 1:04:23
  fuck out about that, but they're so easily removed.
• 1:04:26
  They are like you can put them anywhere, you can do whatever.
• 1:04:29
  Like I mean I guess if they threaten to put it on your face
• 1:04:31
  that's different. But like one of my best friends
• 1:04:35
  now, she actually owns an aesthetics and laser company, so
• 1:04:41
  her boyfriend does the laser tattoo removal and she does the
• 1:04:44
  aesthetics and Botox and stuff. So I was like, Sophie can take
• 1:04:47
  that off for me. That's fine.
• 1:04:49
  But you don't have any tattoos, do you?
• 1:04:52
  No. Right, so if they were to
• 1:04:55
  threaten you with a tattoo. I wouldn't give a fuck.
• 1:04:59
  You wouldn't give a fuck the. Reason why I, I haven't got a
• 1:05:01
  tattoo isn't because I've got some moral objections of
• 1:05:03
  tattoos, right? It's just because I've just
• 1:05:06
  never gone and done it. Like I love that fucking whole
• 1:05:08
  lot of tattoos. If they were like, I'm going to
• 1:05:11
  tattoo you, I'd be like, yeah, go to town, brother, Yeah,
• 1:05:13
  fucking give me a sleep and. But no, like it just is to me,
• 1:05:18
  right. So I think that kind of question
• 1:05:20
  is like, especially if it's like, I think someone who so
• 1:05:24
  say, if I I was in the hot seat, basically like I'm pretty
• 1:05:28
  heavily tattooed. I always forget that I'm heavily
• 1:05:30
  tattooed, but it'll be a lot easier for them to just say, did
• 1:05:38
  they do it to me? And I'm like, yeah, fine,
• 1:05:39
  whatever, I'll do with that later.
• 1:05:41
  But Someone Like You who has like virgin skin or whatever, or
• 1:05:43
  like some like a woman, basically, I think it would be a
• 1:05:46
  lot harder for a woman to be like, oh, fuck, you're going to
• 1:05:48
  put tattoo somewhere because that is definitely going to be
• 1:05:52
  scar. Like it's not ever going to look
• 1:05:53
  the same again, even if you do get like a bunch of rounds of
• 1:05:56
  laser, right? So if they were going to put a
• 1:05:59
  tattoo on you on your face, like so say they were like, we're
• 1:06:03
  going to do a swastika, right? On yeah, my face will be the
• 1:06:05
  only one. I'd probably be like and.
• 1:06:07
  That's that's. Probably anywhere else on my
• 1:06:09
  body I probably wouldn't give a fuck.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah, but that's probably where they would go first would be the
• 1:06:14
  tattoo. So in that case or the face,
• 1:06:17
  sorry. So in that case, is that where
• 1:06:20
  you would tap out or would you let them do it and then deal
• 1:06:22
  with it later? If I listen, if I do you.
• 1:06:26
  Have a very handy. Face.
• 1:06:29
  And your skin is very good. Well, OK all.
• 1:06:32
  Right. I'm sorry.
• 1:06:33
  No, I'm thank you very much. I'm not meaning to be a I'm just
• 1:06:36
  being like, I'm just saying like your skin is very good.
• 1:06:38
  You're like, you've got no blemishes or anything.
• 1:06:41
  You've got no like scars on your face that you can.
• 1:06:43
  Kind of like. Yeah, Lighting, I think is what
• 1:06:46
  is helping me here, Danny. I don't.
• 1:06:48
  Know we know each other in real life.
• 1:06:49
  You know I'm fatter in person. I know your skin is clearer in
• 1:06:52
  person. It's fine.
• 1:06:53
  We're good. But like, it just means if it's
• 1:06:59
  like a case of rice. So they're like, we're gonna
• 1:07:02
  fucking tattoo like a full blown like swastika or like a pussy on
• 1:07:07
  your forehead. Is that a pussy?
• 1:07:10
  Yeah, but you're not going to get a choice.
• 1:07:13
  But would you actually be like, would you let them go do that,
• 1:07:16
  or would you tap out? Because to me.
• 1:07:18
  This is my thing. I could.
• 1:07:19
  It all depends on right. So if I've signed up to do this
• 1:07:23
  thing, I've taught about the implications.
• 1:07:26
  Yeah. So like.
• 1:07:27
  You're not going to say no. First of all, I.
• 1:07:28
  Wouldn't the the implication, but like I wouldn't, I wouldn't
• 1:07:34
  sign up for this thing right? That's I just, I just wouldn't
• 1:07:38
  do it Like I I do believe that I have a very like a high
• 1:07:44
  threshold for pain. Yeah, I do think that I'm not
• 1:07:47
  like I would be mentally strong enough to kind of hold off so
• 1:07:51
  far, but there is there. I know, like, like I said here
• 1:07:57
  already, they're going to push you to a limit that is beyond it
• 1:08:01
  because so that you don't get that 20 grand.
• 1:08:02
  So I don't think I'm as strong as some of the people that they
• 1:08:05
  would have put in there. Like they're probably putting
• 1:08:07
  jar heads in there at some stage as well.
• 1:08:09
  Yeah. So like for me, if I was in
• 1:08:12
  there and I really was thinking I want to go the distance and
• 1:08:15
  I'm going to go the whole hog here, yeah, I'd let them tattoo
• 1:08:18
  my face because I'm in that position.
• 1:08:21
  But like if I was also thinking I'm going to tap out the minute
• 1:08:24
  this submerge me underwater, because I think that's something
• 1:08:26
  that might freak me out that like, then I'd be like, no,
• 1:08:30
  don't let them tattoo your face. You're not going to go that.
• 1:08:32
  Like if The thing is they're going to put you in a cage and
• 1:08:35
  hold you underwater like in 3 minutes time after they tattoo
• 1:08:39
  my face, then you've just got a tattoo on your face for nothing.
• 1:08:43
  If you have a tattoo in your face and 20 grand, yes, please,
• 1:08:46
  with cheese. But I, you're, I, I just do not
• 1:08:50
  believe you're getting that 20 grand.
• 1:08:52
  So like again, you have to weigh it up.
• 1:08:56
  That that is a good. That is a good.
• 1:08:58
  It's not even the 20 grand isn't even really the thing.
• 1:09:01
  Yeah, if if no. One's gotten it.
• 1:09:05
  Before like, yeah, it's not very likely that you would get it or
• 1:09:09
  they would find like maybe like a loophole for you to not get
• 1:09:13
  it, but like. Yeah, but that's what I mean,
• 1:09:16
  like they'll they'll push you to a degree is like, let's say
• 1:09:19
  like, because even at this like they've done this kind of a
• 1:09:23
  thing where like they've they've set up this screening process as
• 1:09:27
  well so that they know you're not going to get you.
• 1:09:29
  They won't let people in who they think are going to win this
• 1:09:33
  kind of thing with this screening process.
• 1:09:35
  Even they got one guy in and they like he does, he does a
• 1:09:40
  thing where he puts you through like a military boot camp before
• 1:09:43
  this, before that kind of fucking house even starts.
• 1:09:47
  So he has you like doing like push ups and sit ups and stuff
• 1:09:50
  like that to see your physical capabilities before you go into
• 1:09:54
  this thing. And there was one guy's account
• 1:09:56
  of it that he went and he just spent hours doing that to him.
• 1:10:01
  Like just putting them through like the kind of the physical,
• 1:10:07
  like just jump, jumping jacks and fucking push ups for hours
• 1:10:13
  until the guy went, look, you're not, you're not actually
• 1:10:15
  seriously going to put me through this house.
• 1:10:17
  And he gave up before he went into the house.
• 1:10:19
  So Mckamey obviously looked at this guy.
• 1:10:21
  He said this guy is an absolute beast.
• 1:10:23
  What I'm going to do is I'm going to give him the runaround
• 1:10:26
  and I'm not going to put him through the house at all because
• 1:10:29
  this guy is going to get through the house.
• 1:10:30
  So he just, the guy got bored. That's what happened.
• 1:10:33
  Yeah. He got bored and said, you're
• 1:10:35
  not going to fucking do this for me.
• 1:10:36
  So I'm out way here. And then Mckamey was like,
• 1:10:38
  that's a win for me. So.
• 1:10:41
  Did that mean? Yeah, this, this reminds me a
• 1:10:43
  lot. Like, so an ex of mine, his dad,
• 1:10:46
  I'm not going to obviously name names or anything because he's
• 1:10:49
  fucking high, high up in the Navy, but he is on one of those
• 1:10:55
  like fucking regular military pensions and then a double
• 1:10:59
  military pension and a salary because they have the right,
• 1:11:02
  he's so trained and like experienced that they bring him
• 1:11:06
  back in from time to time to do training.
• 1:11:09
  Right. So this, this man's a bad ass.
• 1:11:11
  I used to love hearing his stories, but he was saying like
• 1:11:16
  when you when they first started training.
• 1:11:20
  So one of the things that they do is they I know this is Navy.
• 1:11:24
  It could be completely different Army.
• 1:11:26
  I don't really know the difference, but he he was a Navy
• 1:11:29
  guy. They give you.
• 1:11:32
  Yeah, they bought aside from that, like, I mean, like there,
• 1:11:34
  there is like, I'll get to that. But they did, they put you in
• 1:11:37
  like fucking like simulation. Like your SOB is being shot down
• 1:11:41
  and you're like all strapped down, like whatever.
• 1:11:43
  That's a different thing. But they teach like these
• 1:11:46
  different endurance things. So like there are you, you've
• 1:11:50
  basically have to, they drop you in the middle of nowhere in the
• 1:11:54
  wilderness, right. With chicken and your goal is to
• 1:11:58
  avoid your entire squad that's out hunting you and keep this
• 1:12:03
  chicken alive. That's that's your only goal.
• 1:12:06
  You have to avoid them for like 7 days.
• 1:12:09
  Keep the chicken alive, look after the chicken like at all
• 1:12:12
  costs. The chickens more important than
• 1:12:14
  you, and you're avoiding a fucking entire military team
• 1:12:18
  looking for you, right? You're out in the wilderness in
• 1:12:21
  the woods, you're in the middle of winter.
• 1:12:22
  So all of your survival shit that you're doing, it still
• 1:12:25
  ranges on keeping this fucking chicken safe.
• 1:12:28
  And at the end of it, you reach your fucking thing.
• 1:12:32
  You get to go ahead, you get your meal.
• 1:12:35
  You have to kill and eat this chicken that you've fucking
• 1:12:41
  babied for the seven days and kept alive for the seven days.
• 1:12:45
  And this man was telling me the story and I used to I used to
• 1:12:48
  love hearing stories. It's probably like really mean
• 1:12:50
  of me to ask the stories like because this man clearly had
• 1:12:53
  PTSD, like he he was fucked from like, like he wasn't like just
• 1:12:57
  telling me that he was in the air.
• 1:12:59
  Is it the? Falklands.
• 1:13:01
  Falklands, yeah. And he his, he was in and out
• 1:13:05
  swimming back swimming for just taken in bodies like just
• 1:13:08
  fucking crazy, crazy shit, right?
• 1:13:11
  And he'll he would tell. They should have left those
• 1:13:13
  islands alone and Maggie Thatcher should fuck up and die
• 1:13:16
  away. She's.
• 1:13:17
  Already dead. He posted like a few years ago,
• 1:13:21
  like me and my exercise together, a picture of the queen
• 1:13:25
  on her birthday. And he was like happy birthday,
• 1:13:27
  boss. Like he's like, oh, you're so
• 1:13:29
  cool That I'm like, I can't even like I'm just like, but they're
• 1:13:32
  brainwashed. That's the thing.
• 1:13:34
  Like they, you know, you serve your car, you're brainwashed
• 1:13:36
  into that. But anyway, so he would he would
• 1:13:38
  tell me that those stories that he had to retrieve this body, I
• 1:13:42
  had to go to the gulf of wherever the fuck and take this
• 1:13:45
  body. I had to like fucking whatever.
• 1:13:47
  Not a not a wince but killing this chicken.
• 1:13:51
  Just fucked. With him just triggered like his
• 1:13:56
  his PTSD and he was telling me that story and it's like that's
• 1:14:01
  how. We find it hard to kill a
• 1:14:02
  chicken after I've been fucking it for four days as well so.
• 1:14:05
  God, man. But like, it's, do you know what
• 1:14:07
  I mean? It's like things like that.
• 1:14:09
  And he told me this one story. He was like, they're open to
• 1:14:11
  Antarctica because they're scientists that need to study
• 1:14:14
  things. They wouldn't be open
• 1:14:15
  Antarctica, they'd be down in Antarctica according to most
• 1:14:18
  maps. I mean, that's South Pole.
• 1:14:20
  Flutter theory. I don't know whatever.
• 1:14:22
  But I'm so yeah. And, and, and it's just, it's
• 1:14:26
  fucking mental that like how these men are conditioned and
• 1:14:29
  like Mckamey, I think we've, I don't think he's ever been in
• 1:14:33
  the fucking Navy. I don't think he knows the
• 1:14:35
  discipline. So that was probably a really
• 1:14:38
  smart thing on his behalf because I fully believe my ex's
• 1:14:41
  dad could have gotten through that no fucking problem.
• 1:14:46
  But yeah, he probably did just be like, this is what the whole
• 1:14:48
  challenge is going to be like, Like fuck that.
• 1:14:50
  Like I'm just going to be doing fucking push ups for like 10
• 1:14:54
  hours, whatever. Like I'm going home.
• 1:14:57
  I don't need the 10 grand. So yeah, I fully would believe
• 1:15:00
  that that's probably where that that kind of story would come
• 1:15:04
  around because like, their actual training is fucking
• 1:15:08
  insane and mental. And that's probably why he was
• 1:15:11
  like, Nah, he'll get it. He'll get the 10 grand fucking
• 1:15:13
  easy. So yeah, I can completely see
• 1:15:16
  why that would be a thing. Because like the way they train
• 1:15:21
  like fucking Navy guys is just tortured.
• 1:15:24
  They basically just torture them into being good so.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, but that's why I think like anyone that has like a
• 1:15:32
  military background, that's why he's vetting these people in
• 1:15:35
  Mccamey Manor. Like he looks at anyone who has
• 1:15:37
  a military background, especially someone who would be
• 1:15:40
  like Marines or Navy, which like the stuff would come down to the
• 1:15:44
  the the water stuff probably wouldn't it be wouldn't affect
• 1:15:47
  them as much. No, because they've gone through
• 1:15:49
  training where they've been like, right.
• 1:15:51
  You're fully clothed. We're going to hand you a
• 1:15:52
  fucking backpack that's got weights on.
• 1:15:54
  I'm going to troll you into a fucking.
• 1:15:55
  Pool and my ex's dad like could hold like I, he told me the
• 1:15:58
  number. I can't remember, but like hold
• 1:16:01
  his breath to an inhuman extent and you train your lungs to do
• 1:16:07
  that. So like waterboarding and things
• 1:16:10
  like that, that's probably not going to be something that
• 1:16:13
  bothers them for quite a while into the the process.
• 1:16:17
  So yeah. Yeah, but the problem with water
• 1:16:19
  boarding and stuff like that is that you can, you can just keep
• 1:16:25
  like if you have a hose, you can just keep going, you know.
• 1:16:28
  So if you so if you've got a guy who is like I can hold my breath
• 1:16:32
  for 4 minutes, he's like, well, let's we're just going to hold
• 1:16:34
  water on. You hold water for 6 minutes.
• 1:16:36
  Yeah. I guess.
• 1:16:41
  It wasn't the water that got me. It was time.
• 1:16:44
  Father's Time, but like no, I do get that, but it is just I can
• 1:16:48
  see why it would be like they wouldn't want to take the risk
• 1:16:53
  on. Someone like that because?
• 1:16:55
  It's like this man's a fucking like badass of all badasses.
• 1:17:00
  He's going to be like the likelihood of him getting the
• 1:17:02
  fucking 20 grand as opposed to any other Yahoo that we bring in
• 1:17:05
  here is probably like 10 times more.
• 1:17:08
  So like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:10
  So anyway, moving on then requirements and the 40 page
• 1:17:16
  waiver that they're made to sign.
• 1:17:18
  So due to the extreme nature of the experience, there's
• 1:17:21
  notoriously rigorous entry process.
• 1:17:25
  So I'm going to read like I'm not going to read the entire
• 1:17:27
  thing because we'll be here for ages, but I've summarized it.
• 1:17:31
  So agent also must be 21 and older or 18 to 20 with parental
• 1:17:36
  approval. Which who the fuck?
• 1:17:39
  Yeah, that's, I found that interesting as well.
• 1:17:42
  Whose parents are going to be like, yeah, sure.
• 1:17:44
  Why not? Like, unless you're tricking
• 1:17:48
  them into signing something to be like I'm doing, like a
• 1:17:51
  charity haunted house. I've got the dog food already.
• 1:17:55
  Like, whatever. Must have a completed sports
• 1:17:59
  physical and a doctor's letter clearing them physically and
• 1:18:03
  mentally and must show proof of medical assurance.
• 1:18:06
  Now this is another question for you.
• 1:18:07
  Do you think a doctor would? Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Do you think a doctor would clear you physically and
• 1:18:13
  mentally for this? Mentally, no.
• 1:18:18
  Physically, definitely not like I, I couldn't like if that's
• 1:18:26
  like I'm, I'm a wrestler who aspired to be at one stage like
• 1:18:30
  a professional, eh, contractor. But I broke mine.
• 1:18:35
  I broke my neck. Yeah.
• 1:18:36
  Well, I wanted to go for the big time like eh, back when I was
• 1:18:40
  younger, but I broke my neck in like my rookie year and that
• 1:18:42
  kind of fucked me for forever. Like so any kind of physical for
• 1:18:48
  the likes of WWE or eh, a company like that, I was already
• 1:18:52
  on the backfoot. Like plus like I didn't like,
• 1:18:56
  you know, doing push ups and setups and anything that would
• 1:19:00
  give me a good body. But like, but like regardless of
• 1:19:05
  that, like I was kind of fucked anyways because I've got like a
• 1:19:07
  vertebrae missing in my neck and two screws in there.
• 1:19:10
  Like so physic like like when it comes to to physicals and stuff
• 1:19:16
  like that, Like I kind of I'm Hanford with like, like, you
• 1:19:20
  know, if whenever anyone asks me like, like have you got any
• 1:19:25
  injuries, I have to disclose that I've got like I've had a
• 1:19:27
  major spinal injury in my life. That's kind of fucks me up that
• 1:19:32
  way. Yeah, so you, you, you wouldn't
• 1:19:34
  pass the screen. The doctors is just be like
• 1:19:36
  Nope, absolutely not. Yeah, unless like his, his
• 1:19:41
  version of screen is like, Oh yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 1:19:43
  We're not going to drop you on your head or anything like that.
• 1:19:45
  Like. But again, no promises can be
• 1:19:47
  made. So they'd be if they were afraid
• 1:19:49
  that something that they do in there would cause me to slip and
• 1:19:52
  fall and then I have an elevated risk of breaking my neck again.
• 1:19:56
  That's kind of, you know, rules me out of stuff.
• 1:20:01
  It's like I've I've always been like like a curvier girl or
• 1:20:06
  whatever, like since I was a kid and stuff.
• 1:20:09
  And I had always said like, oh, they're going to, I'm going to
• 1:20:14
  be able to get Ozempic like fucking no problem.
• 1:20:16
  It's going to be great. It's going to be easy.
• 1:20:18
  And they're just like you're everything about you is so
• 1:20:21
  healthy. You've no sign of diabetes.
• 1:20:23
  Your heart is fucking strong as fuck.
• 1:20:25
  Like you have no issue ear, lungs, you nothing.
• 1:20:28
  I was like fuck God damn it. But they'll only, they'll only
• 1:20:33
  prescribe Ozempic if you've got like.
• 1:20:39
  It's a kind. Of like.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah, heart disease and pancreatic fucking failure or
• 1:20:44
  something. And so I obviously I got it, but
• 1:20:47
  I went private to get it. So I lost like a good amount of
• 1:20:51
  weight on that now. And I'm like flying, I'm not
• 1:20:52
  like a, I'm not a healthy weight Now I'm like, I'm good.
• 1:20:56
  But they were like also at the same time before I went on it.
• 1:20:59
  So I gained a lot of weight like around COVID time.
• 1:21:04
  And like, I don't like the gym anyway, but like it was at a
• 1:21:08
  point where we couldn't like fucking leave the house and go
• 1:21:11
  for my walks. I can just go for my hot girl
• 1:21:12
  walks or whatever. And I was in the office and I
• 1:21:15
  was like doing things, but like, they, I was like, look like I've
• 1:21:19
  gained so much weight in such a short amount of time.
• 1:21:21
  Like it has to be something. And then they were just like,
• 1:21:24
  no, it isn't like you've got no abnormal levels.
• 1:21:27
  Your, your thyroid is fine. You're just lazy.
• 1:21:30
  And I was like, excuse me, It's just like, OK, like whatever.
• 1:21:35
  And I'm not a snacker. Like I'm not.
• 1:21:37
  Like. Just lazy.
• 1:21:39
  That's a horrible diagnosis to get.
• 1:21:42
  That's what he said to me. And I was like, this year I had
• 1:21:44
  to prove like I literally I had my fitness pal because I got a
• 1:21:47
  Fitbit and everything I was doing 15 to 20,000 steps a day.
• 1:21:51
  I was like cutting my calories. I was on like maybe 1500
• 1:21:54
  calories a day. I wasn't I was in a deficit the
• 1:21:58
  entire time and I was still gaining right?
• 1:22:00
  And I was just like, I don't know what the fuck this is.
• 1:22:02
  Like, you can't tell me that this is normal.
• 1:22:05
  Like, whatever. It's like, well, it is.
• 1:22:07
  There's no, your vitals are fine.
• 1:22:09
  Like, this is fine. Like your cholesterol level is
• 1:22:11
  like, absolutely like the dream of what, like people would want.
• 1:22:15
  And I'm just like, and then he just went to me like, you're
• 1:22:17
  just naturally fat. And I was like, all right, this
• 1:22:22
  is like, OK, sorry. No, it's hilarious, Hilarious.
• 1:22:31
  I first say, yeah, it's like, OK.
• 1:22:36
  And I was like, right? I'd like to get a second
• 1:22:39
  opinion. You're ugly too.
• 1:22:45
  So I started taking, I paid the money to get Ozempic and I
• 1:22:48
  dropped like 5 stone real fucking fast, right?
• 1:22:51
  And it's great. It's, it's the best thing ever.
• 1:22:54
  I'm like, I had no, no side effects, nothing.
• 1:22:57
  So like I'm like fine on that. I go off and on it because
• 1:23:00
  sometimes I'm like, my jeans don't fit anymore.
• 1:23:01
  I gotta go get Ozempic for like a week and then I'm fine again.
• 1:23:06
  But yeah, it's like, I don't know if that would hinder me
• 1:23:11
  from going in to do this because it is a very physical challenge,
• 1:23:15
  right? So by all of their medical
• 1:23:17
  records, I'm perfectly healthy. I'm just fat.
• 1:23:22
  So like, I don't know if they're going to be like, well, you
• 1:23:24
  can't go in there because you're at risk of heart, whatever
• 1:23:27
  heart, whatever this, whatever. But you've told me that my heart
• 1:23:32
  is perfectly healthy, like above average of like somebody like
• 1:23:37
  twice less my size, like twice less.
• 1:23:41
  That's not what I'm saying. Half I don't think you're
• 1:23:51
  getting through the fucking IQ test, but.
• 1:24:04
  Anyway, anyway. Anyway, I feel like I've half
• 1:24:07
  less the brain cells that have this fucking what was it?
• 1:24:16
  Twice less? Twice less.
• 1:24:23
  Oh my. God, well, anyway, I'm not like,
• 1:24:25
  I'm not. And this is the thing.
• 1:24:26
  And he said to me as well, he was really rude actually.
• 1:24:29
  He was just like. It's was he?
• 1:24:32
  It sounds like he was, yeah. And she says to me, I'm just
• 1:24:36
  like, OK, well, like, I'm just a bit like concerned.
• 1:24:39
  Like I feel like I've got like extra weight more.
• 1:24:41
  And he was just like, it's not like you need a fucking mobility
• 1:24:44
  scooter. Just like Sir.
• 1:24:48
  Hold on. Are you showing?
• 1:24:51
  A doctor said this to me and he was like, it's not like you need
• 1:24:55
  a fucking mobility scooter. He's like, you're not that big.
• 1:24:57
  And I was just like, OK. But then like I went to see like
• 1:25:01
  a female doctor and she was like, given all of your like
• 1:25:05
  hormonal issues and blah, blah, it's probably that like go when
• 1:25:09
  I was like, we can't like legally prescribe it to you
• 1:25:12
  because it is a very strict like guideline of what we can
• 1:25:18
  prescribe right now. So you might roll out
• 1:25:21
  eventually, but like, you're not big enough for us to give it.
• 1:25:24
  To you might roll out eventually.
• 1:25:28
  Legit. And so you're not, you don't
• 1:25:32
  meet the weight requirement, you don't meet the like, I guess
• 1:25:35
  like medical issues and stuff like that.
• 1:25:37
  So like if you were going on it, it would purely just be for
• 1:25:40
  cosmetic reasons. I was like, well, yeah, I feel
• 1:25:43
  fat. Just let me have the.
• 1:25:44
  Fucking. Skinny chat, this is the NHS.
• 1:25:46
  You're supposed to give us free everything anyway.
• 1:25:50
  So I think if it went into that, like, I don't know, I'm I don't
• 1:25:53
  do the gym, I would be so unfit. So if they're like, yeah, your
• 1:25:58
  challenge is to do 3 laps are in this building.
• 1:26:01
  I'm like, since you fucking know everything and you got your
• 1:26:04
  fucking fuck. I'm I'm pretty good at like like
• 1:26:12
  I'm stubborn, but like I don't. Mean cardio.
• 1:26:16
  You win, babes. Why?
• 1:26:19
  But like I'd obviously like if I if I set up that I was going to
• 1:26:22
  go over this thing that that I would like train a little bit
• 1:26:26
  for it. Like like last year I got into
• 1:26:27
  like for me decent shape. Like so like I I do have when
• 1:26:32
  there's motivation there, like I do have the ability to like get
• 1:26:35
  into shape right. Right now.
• 1:26:37
  I do look like a fucking. I look like a drop trifle right
• 1:26:43
  now, you look. Great.
• 1:26:44
  Shut up. No.
• 1:26:46
  No, no, no, no, no, no. Like genuinely, I'm after
• 1:26:48
  putting on so much weight in the last year that like I'm bigger
• 1:26:51
  than I was before. I said no, I like, you don't
• 1:26:55
  have to do that. I will stand up and show you my.
• 1:26:57
  No, I'm not. I'm just saying you don't look
• 1:27:00
  like you have like I'm just. Yeah, no, I hold it well because
• 1:27:03
  I've got nice bra shoulders on my neck.
• 1:27:04
  Still looks. Skin I hold it well too like
• 1:27:07
  even like the girl who prescribes myos that big, she's
• 1:27:09
  just like you do not look that way.
• 1:27:10
  I'm like slay. It's all in my fucking ass.
• 1:27:16
  I carry it on the cake and it's like the hips and it just looks
• 1:27:20
  like I'm a wear glass. It's like I have.
• 1:27:22
  Massive hits. In a massive virus and then
• 1:27:24
  that's where it stays, which is good.
• 1:27:26
  I've got no, I've got a Hank Hill arse, but I have got
• 1:27:28
  massive tip and. Yeah, this.
• 1:27:33
  Is it? But yeah, so like I reckon that
• 1:27:38
  like if I was to train for it, like I could probably deal with
• 1:27:42
  like like a physical to get in and to do it like fitness wise.
• 1:27:47
  But like again, like I know like if it comes down to it and he's
• 1:27:54
  like, I'm going to run the ball. So this guy like to get you
• 1:27:56
  tired and to get you like, yeah, to put you in there.
• 1:28:00
  It's like sort of the drain your body.
• 1:28:02
  And then when you get into this place, you're kind of too
• 1:28:06
  physically drained to fight back or to kind of like get get
• 1:28:10
  through the actual torture methods that he has in here.
• 1:28:13
  And we should probably kick on and go through what the torture
• 1:28:16
  methods are. Yeah.
• 1:28:17
  So just just another a little bit for the for the waiver.
• 1:28:21
  So while you're filling out all that paperwork and stuff, you
• 1:28:25
  have to watch a 2 hour long video which is basically
• 1:28:29
  compiling a bunch of past contestants and what's made them
• 1:28:35
  so he. Records everything there does.
• 1:28:37
  Yeah, yeah. And then so you have to watch
• 1:28:40
  this. They make a compilation video of
• 1:28:42
  like a bunch of the contestants, like tapping out basically, and
• 1:28:47
  you fill out everything. You sign everything.
• 1:28:50
  This is kind of like, Are you sure?
• 1:28:53
  Like your last chance? You watch this, you watch
• 1:28:55
  everyone tap out and why they tapped out what you know, the
• 1:28:59
  kind of pain that they're going through, like the torment.
• 1:29:03
  And if you still want to do it, you can go in, which I think is
• 1:29:10
  smart. In a way.
• 1:29:11
  I do think that it is because it's like you can read
• 1:29:15
  everything in black and white until you see something
• 1:29:18
  happening in front of your face. Like it's not always, doesn't
• 1:29:22
  always compute. How bad can it be?
• 1:29:25
  And then you see a fucking woman, like begging for her life
• 1:29:28
  and to be let go. It's like a bit, it hits home.
• 1:29:32
  So the people who actively go into this and they're like,
• 1:29:34
  yeah, I can participate. I can do this.
• 1:29:37
  They've, they know what they're in for.
• 1:29:39
  They've seen what they're in for.
• 1:29:41
  And I mean, it might be worse for them because as we said
• 1:29:45
  earlier, they do tailor it to that person.
• 1:29:48
  And so it might be more hardcore than what they're seeing people
• 1:29:52
  tap out for. But at the same time, I guess
• 1:29:55
  you don't know until you're in the actual position, so.
• 1:29:59
  Yeah, like sort of like until you're in there and experience
• 1:30:02
  it, there's people that probably have like their Billy Big balls
• 1:30:04
  and they probably still think that like, oh, I can like these
• 1:30:07
  people are pussies. I can.
• 1:30:08
  I could take that. And they don't know until
• 1:30:10
  they're in there. But it's like I, I think like a
• 1:30:12
  really tame kind of example of this kind of thing is so the
• 1:30:17
  show I'm A Celebrity. Get Me Out of here.
• 1:30:20
  Where they? Yeah, the Bush took her trials
• 1:30:23
  and basically it's like you have to put your hand into a box of
• 1:30:28
  like harmless spiders who've been defying de venomized what
• 1:30:33
  we know that at home and we're like I totally.
• 1:30:36
  Do that but. They obviously know that as
• 1:30:38
  well. Yeah, they do, but it's
• 1:30:39
  different when you're actually there to do it.
• 1:30:41
  When? You're in there.
• 1:30:41
  Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  When you're at home and you're like, oh, like, I mean, I don't
• 1:30:44
  like spiders, but I could easily do that.
• 1:30:47
  You could you though, if they put you in there and say alright
• 1:30:49
  here's. Yeah, I get what you're saying
• 1:30:50
  because like my first instinct is to say like, yeah, I do that
• 1:30:54
  piece of pace, like, yeah. And then face with it like I
• 1:30:58
  think you're right, like I am kind of probably a little bit
• 1:31:01
  braver and braver this side of the screen.
• 1:31:04
  To go back to even like to a completely different kind of
• 1:31:08
  thing is like if you go to like the Chase, right?
• 1:31:11
  And like who Wants to be a millionaire?
• 1:31:13
  All of these kind of shows I like.
• 1:31:15
  Fuck. I'm fucking class at the chase.
• 1:31:17
  But that's. The thing you are in your home
• 1:31:22
  and if you get there and you're, you're surrounded by the cameras
• 1:31:26
  and the lights and like everyone's looking at you and
• 1:31:28
  you're on this. I'm having to ask.
• 1:31:29
  Maybe maybe a mere mortal might might be worried about cameras
• 1:31:34
  and lights I. Will no, but you know what I
• 1:31:36
  mean? Like it's a different setting.
• 1:31:38
  It's a different kind of thing they put you in.
• 1:31:40
  And the fantasy that I do so good at the chase that they just
• 1:31:43
  go, will you be a chaser? That's that's my.
• 1:31:46
  Fantasy I would like to be a. Did happen to a guy?
• 1:31:49
  Yeah, the Mark guy who's married cousin, right?
• 1:31:52
  Yeah. No, no, no, no.
• 1:31:54
  That's the beast. It's the the the Irish guy.
• 1:31:57
  I've not watched it in years. He kind of came later.
• 1:32:00
  I used to watch it with my mom and now she's dead so I haven't
• 1:32:02
  watched it since. Yeah, I my mom died way before
• 1:32:07
  the chase ever came out and Granada TV had commissioned.
• 1:32:11
  It yet they're all sad now I hope you're all fucking
• 1:32:15
  miserable we're. We don't.
• 1:32:19
  Have as bad as you, dandy. Which are dead man.
• 1:32:21
  Do you think you're probably at home?
• 1:32:24
  Oh, you think you're fucking deadly because you have a mat
• 1:32:28
  listening to the. Party because you prepare.
• 1:32:30
  A mask. Oh fucking must be lovely.
• 1:32:32
  Must be great now with your own fucking ma anyway.
• 1:32:37
  This is this episode actually is kind of off the walls like we I
• 1:32:42
  know, like I think last. Week my favorite.
• 1:32:45
  Like I think we like. But last week we veered off a
• 1:32:47
  couple of times. But this last week, like I just
• 1:32:50
  because in my head I just went, I I've just been talking about
• 1:32:54
  eating my comb earlier and now I'm talking about man.
• 1:32:57
  And it's we are. You know, you're not think
• 1:33:00
  though, right? Do you know, do you not think
• 1:33:02
  that we found our stride a little bit Like I think we're
• 1:33:05
  more comfortable with each other, with each other now.
• 1:33:07
  And it's just, it's flowing, it's off the walls and it's
• 1:33:09
  going in completely different fucking directions.
• 1:33:12
  But it's flowing. In those directions anyway.
• 1:33:14
  Right, Let's go. Say the words.
• 1:33:18
  I think we found our flow while diverting the flow of the
• 1:33:22
  podcast just. Let me get back to it then.
• 1:33:25
  You're talking over me like a fucking.
• 1:33:29
  I'm trying like forsake. My fault.
• 1:33:38
  Yeah, your fault is fucking the big gossipy bitch, right.
• 1:33:43
  So the way we're saying Alex Mark is the first time Justy has
• 1:33:50
  had the giggles. I'm just.
• 1:33:56
  I'm just dealing with why you're.
• 1:33:57
  Fucking dish it out here all. Right.
• 1:33:59
  OK. So the waiver essential point of
• 1:34:01
  the What up document that legally releases Ross Mckamey
• 1:34:07
  and his team from virtually all liability, explicitly detailing
• 1:34:12
  the violent and dangerous acts that may occur, including head,
• 1:34:16
  neck and back injuries just a year out, death, stroke,
• 1:34:21
  dramatic brain injury, brain aneurysms, loss of and more.
• 1:34:28
  So the gaming matter has faced continuous, widespread criticism
• 1:34:33
  with multiple petitions calling for its permanent shutdown.
• 1:34:37
  It's been called a torture chamber.
• 1:34:39
  Many former participants and critiques critique critics.
• 1:34:46
  I heard that wrong, argue that the event is not a haunted
• 1:34:50
  house, but a torture chamber. Duh.
• 1:34:54
  Fucking. No shit.
• 1:34:55
  Duh. Like.
• 1:34:58
  I paid to come to a haunted house, but they had me
• 1:35:02
  underwater. Fuck.
• 1:35:03
  Off like like. They put obviously, like if you
• 1:35:07
  read 40 pages of what they're going to do to you.
• 1:35:09
  Yeah, and you're like, I thought it was just going to be a scary
• 1:35:12
  house. Yeah, like.
• 1:35:16
  Critics argue that the event is not a haunted house, but a
• 1:35:18
  torture chamber under disguise. There's no disguise.
• 1:35:21
  There is no fucking disguise. Yeah.
• 1:35:24
  And where voluntary slavery is waived for a period, critics
• 1:35:32
  claim Mckamey specifically seeks out and accepts participants who
• 1:35:36
  appear to be the weakest and most easily manipulated.
• 1:35:39
  Now, right, OK, we can say that. But we could also say it's
• 1:35:46
  people who agree to have their fucking lives ruined and.
• 1:35:50
  But this is what this is what I'm saying to you.
• 1:35:52
  Like, like if you sign up to this, yeah.
• 1:35:56
  Like it's not like a tough motor.
• 1:35:57
  Like you're not saying like if you sign up to this, it's not
• 1:35:59
  like, oh, I want to push myself physically and mentally.
• 1:36:03
  And this is. You're not getting anything out
• 1:36:05
  of. It psychological problems, yeah.
• 1:36:07
  Like, like if you sign up to this kind of thing, there's
• 1:36:10
  obviously something in you that you're like, I need this
• 1:36:14
  experience. Like I've jumped over there
• 1:36:16
  playing a fucking, you know, 15,000 feet like, and it was an
• 1:36:20
  exhilarating experience. Yeah.
• 1:36:23
  But there's a difference between I'm going to go like, I love a
• 1:36:27
  roller coaster as well, like. Adrenaline.
• 1:36:31
  I'd love I'd love I'd love a roller coasters were more
• 1:36:33
  intense to be honest with you, but I none of that all fails to
• 1:36:39
  compare to like you signing a waiver that says someone can cut
• 1:36:44
  punch and like inflict physical pain and harm on me.
• 1:36:49
  That's like someone who who reads that and then says I'm
• 1:36:53
  going to sign this anyways, is someone who's got like I say it
• 1:36:57
  all masochistic, kind of a. Exactly.
• 1:37:00
  There's something wrong with them, like.
• 1:37:01
  That's exactly what. A psychological issue there that
• 1:37:03
  they're going to have that like don't get me wrong if you if
• 1:37:06
  you're in there, I mean like this will actually get me off
• 1:37:08
  and I'll get a boner to get through this kind of a thing
• 1:37:11
  that that might be fine. But again, I think Mccamey is
• 1:37:15
  like is trying to find he's vetting it so that none of these
• 1:37:20
  kind of like, yeah, I could do anything kind of guys, I'm a
• 1:37:23
  fucking gym bro, Woo, yeah, I love these fucking experiences
• 1:37:27
  for your. You're out straight away because
• 1:37:30
  you're too much of A. Challenge for them.
• 1:37:32
  Yeah. And then someone who is like, I,
• 1:37:34
  I mean, because like the question, the questionnaire has
• 1:37:37
  questions on it where it's like, are you into say it all
• 1:37:39
  masochism? Even one of the questions is
• 1:37:43
  have you seen the have you seen A Serbian Movie or whatever it's
• 1:37:48
  called A Serbian Film? And anyone who says they've seen
• 1:37:51
  that is automatically disqualified.
• 1:37:54
  Yeah, because you usually. Doesn't want.
• 1:37:57
  If you can. Sit through that.
• 1:37:58
  Kind of person like. Like, so my, my gag that I
• 1:38:01
  usually do with you people is if they ask me what's your favorite
• 1:38:07
  horror movie, and I'll say I'll Serbian Film.
• 1:38:09
  I'll say that because it weeds out the fucking weirdos, because
• 1:38:13
  it's such an edge Lord thing to say, right?
• 1:38:16
  And I guarantee you if someone tells you that their favorite
• 1:38:19
  movie is Serbian Film or they get the art behind a Serbian
• 1:38:23
  film, it's performative. They've either not seen it at
• 1:38:27
  all or they've not watched it all the way through.
• 1:38:29
  And then they're just saying it to have that kind of fucking
• 1:38:34
  thing. It is a disgusting, horrible
• 1:38:36
  movie. And it is something that like,
• 1:38:38
  in a way, it is torture porn to try and sit.
• 1:38:41
  I've never, I've never watched it, so I don't.
• 1:38:44
  It's awful. I couldn't, I don't think I
• 1:38:47
  could watch it. So I watched it purely because I
• 1:38:50
  was studying film in college and I was talking to my lecturer
• 1:38:54
  about like movies. So we were originally talking
• 1:38:58
  about I'm so Canadian, I'm sorry.
• 1:39:01
  I keep saying about Cannibal Holocaust which.
• 1:39:08
  I've seen that. It's, I mean, I think by today's
• 1:39:13
  standards, you would think it's quite tame, But then when you
• 1:39:17
  actually watch it and you know that that turtle is actually
• 1:39:20
  being hacked to death on, it's, it's hard to kind of like look
• 1:39:26
  at it and not be like, what the fuck?
• 1:39:28
  And then there are scenes, I think the the rape.
• 1:39:31
  Scene The pig being shot is the. Pig yeah is real and there's
• 1:39:37
  although I don't think it's specifically Cannibal Holocaust,
• 1:39:40
  I think it's another movie like from that time, but there's a
• 1:39:43
  rape scene where she was told that it was going to be like
• 1:39:48
  acted, but then the dude actually did penetrate her and I
• 1:39:53
  think that that and it's like it's knowing these things years
• 1:39:56
  later you're watching it it's yeah it it does kind of fuck you
• 1:40:01
  up and it's like if you. If you can watch something like
• 1:40:06
  that and feel comfortable, like it's no surprise that Mckamey is
• 1:40:09
  just like, you're out not having you in here because like, what
• 1:40:13
  else can we fucking do? Because like you can basically
• 1:40:16
  watch. That's someone that's going in
• 1:40:18
  there in the mindset of like, they're into that.
• 1:40:21
  So if they're into it, Mckamey doesn't want them there.
• 1:40:24
  Yeah, yeah. And that's that's like.
• 1:40:27
  So if you do, I want to tell them the plot of A Serbian Film
• 1:40:32
  or probably. I don't know what to deal with
• 1:40:37
  so. You don't know the plot of A
• 1:40:38
  Serbian Film. I'm so fucking like, I'm so
• 1:40:41
  jealous of you. And your life is probably on a
• 1:40:43
  completely different trajectory because I've watched it.
• 1:40:50
  All right, so A Serbian Film, basically this dude, he was a
• 1:40:59
  porn star and he ran out of money.
• 1:41:04
  He lost everybody that he loved because he was a porn star and
• 1:41:09
  he agreed to go back for one final big fucking paycheck.
• 1:41:15
  And yeah, and it's let me kind of go into the I'm going to pull
• 1:41:21
  up the wiki. Hang on.
• 1:41:23
  Sorry, I haven't. It's been in the years.
• 1:41:26
  I don't know. I have it.
• 1:41:27
  I have it. Yeah, I have it here.
• 1:41:30
  So basically la, La La plot. So Milos semi retired porn actor
• 1:41:37
  lives in Belgard with his wife and their six year old son.
• 1:41:42
  His brother is a corrupt police officer.
• 1:41:45
  Belgrade. It's not Belgard.
• 1:41:46
  Belgard is in Dublin. Is it?
• 1:41:50
  I'm so cultured. Oh great.
• 1:41:53
  Whatever. Whatever fucking.
• 1:41:55
  Anyway, so his brother is a corrupt police officer who
• 1:42:02
  envies Milos and is attracted to his wife Leia, who is a former
• 1:42:11
  porn star? Yeah, basically.
• 1:42:15
  So they pull him back in for money.
• 1:42:21
  Filming begins in an orphanage where the guy who hates Milos
• 1:42:30
  feeds him instructions through an earpiece.
• 1:42:34
  Yeah, yeah. Basically, he fucks his kid.
• 1:42:37
  And it's. It's.
• 1:42:39
  I can't read this. I I just don't.
• 1:42:42
  Yeah, it's it's disgusting. Hang on, let me find a Asian
• 1:42:52
  porn star agrees to participate in an art film in order to make
• 1:42:56
  a clean break from the business because he did owe a lot of like
• 1:42:59
  producers money. Only to discover that he has
• 1:43:02
  been drafted into making a paedophilia and necrophilia
• 1:43:05
  themed snuff film with basically kids that he has fathered as
• 1:43:12
  well. But all right, that's it.
• 1:43:17
  No, no, I'm done. I'm done.
• 1:43:19
  But people. No more, no more.
• 1:43:22
  People. People will say that this is
• 1:43:26
  their favorite movie because it's a metaphor for capitalism
• 1:43:30
  and how as a you're just a fucking disgusting freak.
• 1:43:34
  It's not anything other than that.
• 1:43:36
  It really isn't. It's a disgusting fucking movie
• 1:43:40
  and I've had a lot of people tell me that it's their favorite
• 1:43:43
  movie and it's like, you've either never seen it, like I
• 1:43:46
  said, or. I thought it was like just a
• 1:43:50
  kind of a version of SAW but like really graphic.
• 1:43:54
  And so it's right. So do you know?
• 1:43:58
  Old boy. Where he fucks his daughter,
• 1:44:01
  Yes, right. Is.
• 1:44:02
  That on fucking steroids, basically.
• 1:44:05
  Oh fuck. And it's disgusting.
• 1:44:08
  It is. It is literally like the worst
• 1:44:11
  piece of cinema ever created. And apparently it is like a
• 1:44:15
  whole, it's symbolic to capitalism and how capitalism
• 1:44:18
  rapes us and like shapes us into these people that like, hey,
• 1:44:24
  yeah, it's it's bad, but I can. Get back to Mccamy manner.
• 1:44:28
  No. No, no, I mean like that.
• 1:44:29
  This is I am going there with that.
• 1:44:31
  But I can completely understand why if I was Mccamy, who was a
• 1:44:34
  fucking registered psychopath and someone said my favorite
• 1:44:37
  movie is Serbian Film, I'd like out.
• 1:44:40
  Get out. I feel like no fucking leave
• 1:44:44
  because you're not, you're not, you're not psychologically sound
• 1:44:48
  to do this. You're not because it is, it is
• 1:44:51
  disgusting. Like my brother.
• 1:44:52
  So like we, my brother in New York, the comedian, we were
• 1:44:56
  talking about this a lot and we were talking about Serbian film.
• 1:44:59
  And he was just, he actually was the one that brought up like if
• 1:45:03
  you talk to someone, you tell them that your favorite movie is
• 1:45:06
  A Serbian Film and you see their reaction.
• 1:45:09
  That's how you know what kind of person that they are, right?
• 1:45:13
  And he's done it before for like loads of loads.
• 1:45:18
  It's just been like anyone who fucking like, like literally
• 1:45:23
  like hours away. That's someone that you want.
• 1:45:27
  But also if someone's like what's The Serbian Film, that's
• 1:45:30
  someone you want your life even more because they're not
• 1:45:32
  corrupted by something like that.
• 1:45:34
  You don't want to hang out with someone who's ever even fucking
• 1:45:37
  seen that movie. Like you don't it's it's rough.
• 1:45:42
  It's a disgusting piece of cinema and you go to all these
• 1:45:45
  things and it's like, so they say like, oh fucking what's the
• 1:45:48
  other movie? What's the other movie?
• 1:45:51
  Is it Poltergeist? No, it's it's I think it's
• 1:45:54
  Poltergeist where they actually use like dog up corpses in the
• 1:45:58
  river scene. I watched.
• 1:46:01
  I watched Poltergeist in a friend's house as a kid.
• 1:46:04
  So the corpses, the skeletons in the river in that movie were
• 1:46:09
  real. There were real bodies.
• 1:46:11
  What? Yeah, they were literally like,
• 1:46:15
  so it's have you seen? The.
• 1:46:21
  If you have, if you haven't seen it, I recommend looking it up.
• 1:46:23
  It is an amazing display, but it's called bodies.
• 1:46:27
  Bodies. Yeah, yeah, with all the Chinese
• 1:46:28
  lads who signed up to give their bodies to.
• 1:46:31
  Yeah. Displayed forever.
• 1:46:33
  No, but you, you give it up to art or science.
• 1:46:36
  So if you give it to art, that's where bodies went to, and you,
• 1:46:39
  you. Can bodies of science because
• 1:46:41
  it's a it's seen as. A and it's fucking incredible.
• 1:46:48
  It is an incredible exhibition. It's amazing.
• 1:46:50
  I I've seen it in New York. Amazing.
• 1:46:53
  I think it was in Dublin. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:56
  And definitely we're seeing, if you haven't seen it, it is
• 1:47:00
  really fucking. It's really interesting and
• 1:47:03
  really cool. And.
• 1:47:04
  But that's not like, yeah, there are like different attractions
• 1:47:08
  that you can go to and you can just see like fucking here's a
• 1:47:12
  severed head off a hooker that we found.
• 1:47:15
  And they will, they will just show it to you.
• 1:47:18
  But yeah. Thankfully, we're going.
• 1:47:22
  Back to. Somebody's kids.
• 1:47:25
  I I so torture chamber. Oh, it just gets worse from here
• 1:47:33
  guys, I'm sorry. I'm in a really good mood.
• 1:47:35
  I think me and Justy have had a really nice chat this evening
• 1:47:39
  and it just gets worse from here.
• 1:47:44
  I. Don't know, I like talking about
• 1:47:47
  my period. So basically torture chamber
• 1:47:54
  allegations, many former participants and critiques.
• 1:47:57
  Critiques. I did it again.
• 1:48:00
  You did. It.
• 1:48:02
  Again, argue that the event is not a haunted house with torture
• 1:48:04
  chamber under disguise blah blah blah.
• 1:48:07
  Safe word in ineffectiveness. This gets me right SO.
• 1:48:13
  This. This is where it gets mad
• 1:48:15
  sketchy because like people have signed up for this, like and
• 1:48:20
  yeah, you'd kind of go, OK, fool, You're, you're obviously
• 1:48:23
  putting yourself in to, to get to it.
• 1:48:25
  Yeah, well, if there's an agreed upon safe word, then that should
• 1:48:31
  be fucking upheld. Yeah.
• 1:48:32
  But obviously this is where we get into it.
• 1:48:34
  Now is like that, people have accused them of ignoring the
• 1:48:38
  safe words and just keep on going.
• 1:48:41
  And so it's a, it's a huge, huge thing.
• 1:48:44
  Like if you're into like the likes of like BDSM, anything
• 1:48:48
  like that, anything wrong, a safe word is it is a really good
• 1:48:52
  idea to have and it is. Pineapples.
• 1:48:54
  Pineapples. Mine is banana.
• 1:48:58
  But it's always it's just something, it Is this not a
• 1:49:04
  symbol? What's the realm like?
• 1:49:05
  Whatever. It's a mark of trust, all right?
• 1:49:08
  That, you know, you, you, if you can trust that person, that if
• 1:49:12
  you say that word, that person is going to stop, right?
• 1:49:17
  Well, McKinney claims that a safe word is in place to allow
• 1:49:21
  participants to leave at any time.
• 1:49:23
  Numerous reports from former visitors claim that actors often
• 1:49:27
  ignore the safe word and continue the torture for several
• 1:49:31
  minutes or longer. Participants Participants are
• 1:49:35
  often left severely traumatized, with injuries requiring medical
• 1:49:40
  attention and psychological distress requiring years of
• 1:49:44
  therapy. One account describes a man who
• 1:49:47
  was allegedly tortured until he passed out multiple times, and
• 1:49:51
  workers only stopped because they feared they had killed him.
• 1:49:55
  So this man in particular, they kept waking him up and then
• 1:50:03
  torturing him again until he passed out.
• 1:50:06
  And the so the allegations go, it's not been confirmed.
• 1:50:10
  This is just from this man is that Mckamey himself was in the
• 1:50:14
  room and said don't let him fall asleep and so.
• 1:50:18
  Yeah, yeah. When he had to leave, Mckamey
• 1:50:21
  had to. He was in and out doing
• 1:50:22
  whatever. He would just hand whatever
• 1:50:26
  device they were using back to the staff, we'll say, or the
• 1:50:30
  actors and just say don't let him fall asleep.
• 1:50:33
  And they kept this poor man awake constantly and just were
• 1:50:37
  torturing him on a loop. And McKinney wasn't above that
• 1:50:42
  at all. He he would mock in and he would
• 1:50:44
  do the torturing with these people.
• 1:50:47
  So he's, he's involved in it like he's there and recording
• 1:50:50
  everything. Like, this is the thing he
• 1:50:52
  always has. He always has a camera in his
• 1:50:55
  hand and like, he'll hand it over to people so that he can
• 1:50:58
  get involved. But mostly he's just recording
• 1:51:00
  this thing. It goes to the whole thing of
• 1:51:03
  where and I fully believe it's, well, it's been proven, but like
• 1:51:07
  the videos are sold to snuff sites and we did talk about this
• 1:51:12
  on one of the last episodes. We'll probably have to like
• 1:51:14
  revisit Justy is already. Or we don't.
• 1:51:18
  Or we don't have to revisit it. It was the most oppressing 3
• 1:51:22
  hours of my fucking life. You bringing me through, telling
• 1:51:24
  me about what the dark web is. Yeah.
• 1:51:29
  I mean, it's, it's, it is, it's kind of fascinating because I
• 1:51:32
  think it makes me feel like a good person because the dark web
• 1:51:37
  makes you see just how horrible people can get.
• 1:51:40
  Yeah, but the problem with that on a podcast medium though,
• 1:51:45
  Danny, is it's very, eh, hard to make comedy out of some of the
• 1:51:52
  stuff. That you are previous.
• 1:51:54
  That happens on. Maybe for you?
• 1:51:57
  That. Wasn't rough.
• 1:52:00
  It was no it. Was bad.
• 1:52:02
  I did. To be fair.
• 1:52:03
  Like I that was our first episode that we recorded
• 1:52:06
  together. I went in with no loop.
• 1:52:07
  To be fair, I did. I did kind of just I did.
• 1:52:11
  I tried my best to make it you. Did you?
• 1:52:13
  Did I did go in? I went in.
• 1:52:17
  I went in with no safe word, no protection, no thing.
• 1:52:21
  I was just like, here we go. I don't think it would have
• 1:52:24
  mattered if I had a safe word. I think you would have just kept
• 1:52:26
  on going. You would keep him awake.
• 1:52:29
  I think. Donnie Mccamey But I feel like
• 1:52:38
  we can probably do that now, and I think I have.
• 1:52:40
  I think we know each other like we know each other style.
• 1:52:42
  Now that I would know when to be like, alright, we'll layoff.
• 1:52:45
  Anyway, here's a whole website dedicated to just fucking cats.
• 1:52:51
  Anyway, that is actually a website.
• 1:52:54
  No, it is. It is a website.
• 1:52:56
  Cats and babies. I know, Daddy, I know there's a
• 1:52:59
  website out there for everything I know, but I don't want to have
• 1:53:01
  to think about it. I was actually only, I was only
• 1:53:05
  talking with the other day. So you know the way you like.
• 1:53:07
  So I work with demons, I do witchcraft and stuff like that,
• 1:53:10
  right. And I've had people be like, can
• 1:53:13
  I pay you to do this? Because for some fucking reason
• 1:53:17
  it's around the workplace now that I'm a witch and I do
• 1:53:20
  spells. I was like, no, you, you can't.
• 1:53:24
  So they found my Instagram, then they found my other Instagram
• 1:53:26
  and it's, it's gone that way, right?
• 1:53:28
  And I'm like, no, you can't. Like why?
• 1:53:31
  I was like, I don't. I'll do spells for my friends,
• 1:53:34
  like every single one of you. Well, not you guys listening.
• 1:53:37
  I don't care about you guys, but my actual.
• 1:53:39
  Friends. Have jars on on my altar.
• 1:53:45
  Like just see, you've got a jar. Sylvie has a jar.
• 1:53:48
  Thank you. Oh.
• 1:53:50
  Yeah. Yeah, of course, like anyone
• 1:53:54
  that's who's directly in my life has a jar, protection jar and
• 1:53:58
  they're all lined up on my altar and I charge them every day.
• 1:54:02
  I pray to them and stuff like that to like keep you guys safe
• 1:54:06
  and everything like whatever. And then people like, Oh, I need
• 1:54:09
  you to go and do this curse and blah, blah, whatever.
• 1:54:12
  And I'm just like, it's so much effort to do fucking curse.
• 1:54:16
  Like it's really hard. And I don't think I told you
• 1:54:18
  about this. Like this is very awful.
• 1:54:21
  She not, but I don't think she'll mind me telling you the
• 1:54:23
  story. But I made a so my friend, I've
• 1:54:28
  I've told you better before. She's also a witch, which she's
• 1:54:31
  Wicca. She's very much like 3.
• 1:54:33
  Wicca. Yeah, the rule of three.
• 1:54:39
  So what you put out there comes back.
• 1:54:40
  She won't work with demons at all, right.
• 1:54:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is fine.
• 1:54:44
  Fair enough. Right.
• 1:54:44
  So she has been just so down in the dumps lately, like, just
• 1:54:49
  hurt, like, just depressed, just miserable.
• 1:54:52
  She's like, I don't know what the fuck is happening.
• 1:54:53
  Like, she's like, that's not my energy and I know it isn't.
• 1:54:58
  And she did like, like an egg. She needs to get a nice lady to
• 1:55:04
  lick her vagina. Sorry for assuming that she's a
• 1:55:07
  lesbian, but like. She's not.
• 1:55:08
  Come on, she's not a lesbian like she's a Wiccan.
• 1:55:11
  Oh, OK. No, we'll, we'll get into it
• 1:55:15
  right. So she, she actually has like a
• 1:55:17
  really lovely heart was. He licking Wiccan.
• 1:55:19
  No, she has like shut off. She has a really lovely partner,
• 1:55:23
  but so she basically like she was, I don't know, whatever.
• 1:55:27
  So I did a ritual with Alaska is his name.
• 1:55:31
  So he's known as the executioner.
• 1:55:36
  I I think I went a little bit too hard for the first initial
• 1:55:39
  thing, but I was like, I'll be fine.
• 1:55:41
  So I made her a ward, which is a jar full of like the spell that
• 1:55:46
  I did. And then you seal it right with
• 1:55:48
  wax and it was her name in there.
• 1:55:52
  It was whatever I did my own blood in a separate, separate
• 1:55:56
  thing for him to protect her and to like, I put like truth into
• 1:56:00
  it as well. So he's the the judge, the jury,
• 1:56:03
  the executioner, and he brings things around like really
• 1:56:06
  fucking fast. Judge Judy, an executioner.
• 1:56:11
  So I had everything here in a little jar.
• 1:56:15
  Let me show you the actual jars that I use somewhere.
• 1:56:20
  Yeah. So this little jar here right?
• 1:56:24
  OK. And they have like I have like
• 1:56:27
  the cork fillings for them. And then I put whatever in.
• 1:56:29
  So I did. I did the whole thing for her
• 1:56:31
  where they're handed her a jar with a laster.
• 1:56:35
  I had the petition put in. I like put my hand open, bled
• 1:56:38
  for for the spell, asked it to protect her until like.
• 1:56:45
  I'm listening. I'm fucking.
• 1:56:46
  Listening, you're like, you're crazy.
• 1:56:48
  Everything you say like I quote my hand over and poured it.
• 1:56:51
  Into oh, it's. Spells like please allow me
• 1:56:54
  Danny that to to at least have some kind of a facial expression
• 1:56:59
  that might express shock that you.
• 1:57:02
  Know do this. Fucking demonic fucking shit
• 1:57:06
  into jars. OK, it's.
• 1:57:08
  It's, it's scar tissue at this point.
• 1:57:10
  So it's just all I have to do is.
• 1:57:11
  Scar tissue. I wish you so.
• 1:57:14
  To know it, but yeah, like literally all I have to do is
• 1:57:17
  just pull it apart anyway, so I am I, I did the whole thing,
• 1:57:21
  handed her the dryer, right? And I went out and I had my hair
• 1:57:24
  done by her last week. Handed her the thing and I was
• 1:57:28
  just like, here you go. I was like, if you see anything
• 1:57:31
  happening with it, let me know whatever.
• 1:57:34
  So she took it off me. She's like, oh amazing.
• 1:57:37
  Whatever. She my hair takes about like
• 1:57:40
  fucking 3 hours to do and she came running out from the back
• 1:57:44
  and she said what? The top of it's bubbling and I
• 1:57:47
  was like, all right. I was like, so there's energy
• 1:57:50
  going somewhere. She's like, yeah, goes back in,
• 1:57:54
  comes running out. So her boyfriend is a.
• 1:58:00
  So OK, we all let's no don't say boyfriend.
• 1:58:03
  Come on, like lesbians are allowed be lesbians in 2020?
• 1:58:06
  He's like a light, He's a light technician, right?
• 1:58:09
  And he goes on tour with these big, big bands like, so he was
• 1:58:12
  on tour with Ghosts recently, which are like my favorite band,
• 1:58:15
  like really cool. And they've been having kind of
• 1:58:18
  like a rough time of it. And he had called her after I'd
• 1:58:22
  given her this thing. I'd be like, so sorry, don't
• 1:58:24
  know what the fucks up with me and I'm just my brains weird.
• 1:58:26
  I'm tired. I just want to come home, blah
• 1:58:28
  blah. And she just came here to tell
• 1:58:30
  me that and she was like the fucking bubbles on a thing.
• 1:58:32
  And I was like, dude, like he's going to give you bad news.
• 1:58:35
  I was like this ward like Alistair is going to give you
• 1:58:37
  bad news. I was like, if you things are
• 1:58:40
  going to start happening And she worked in a really toxic job,
• 1:58:46
  like a toxic place when she was doing hair in the last place.
• 1:58:50
  The old social media manager messaged her that night and was
• 1:58:55
  just like, Hey, I just want you to know I never had a problem
• 1:58:58
  with you. But the the owner of this
• 1:58:59
  building, like this place that she worked in before she went
• 1:59:02
  out independent sent her fucking guest flowers when she left
• 1:59:06
  because she was so fucking she's crazy.
• 1:59:09
  She sent her like a bouquet of lilies to be like, best of luck
• 1:59:13
  in your new venture. And then the social media
• 1:59:15
  manager was just like, I'm so sorry I had any fucking anything
• 1:59:19
  to do with that. Whatever.
• 1:59:20
  Like apologize to her, she said. She immediately got up, she ran.
• 1:59:24
  She like Facetimed me. She had like got the fucking
• 1:59:26
  ward literally a hole in the middle of the ward.
• 1:59:30
  And she was just like what the fuck?
• 1:59:32
  And I was just like, it's like it's just pulling everything
• 1:59:34
  out. It might be something that you
• 1:59:36
  don't even know is on you, but he just gets everything up and
• 1:59:39
  out and she's like right next day she found out that one of
• 1:59:45
  her best friends. I will message her if and say if
• 1:59:50
  she wants me to keep this in if not it's fine.
• 1:59:52
  But one of her best friends she's had since she was a
• 1:59:54
  fucking teenager had they go to the same nail tech and this
• 1:59:59
  fucking woman gone to the nail tech and accused my friend of
• 2:00:05
  like making it with a bunch of guys and afters which never
• 2:00:09
  fucking happened and. And then the nail tech.
• 2:00:11
  Why? Would she do it?
• 2:00:12
  She's. Lesbian.
• 2:00:14
  But the nail tech like obviously is closer friends to her because
• 2:00:19
  she's only a client. That woman is only a client
• 2:00:21
  because of my friend who introduced them, told her
• 2:00:25
  everything that she had said. And then she was like, it's the
• 2:00:29
  fucking jar. And she was that's fucking
• 2:00:31
  crazy. So she ran into a room to get
• 2:00:33
  like the jar. So she has an altar obviously
• 2:00:35
  like I do run in to get it. Crack.
• 2:00:38
  Right down the middle of it in the wax.
• 2:00:41
  And she was just like, so she's been feeding it wine ever since.
• 2:00:46
  And I'm like, there you go. It's real.
• 2:00:48
  Magic's real, and so. You're all mental.
• 2:00:52
  These are all lunatics. No, and this is the.
• 2:00:55
  Thing I wish like I mean I've had some things that like so I'm
• 2:00:58
  very much right so she's everything is a sign she's
• 2:01:01
  crazier than me she will tell you this she's going to come on
• 2:01:04
  the. Podcast.
• 2:01:07
  She's like, OK, she's everything is a sign.
• 2:01:11
  I'm mundane over magic 10 times over.
• 2:01:13
  I'm like, it's a shit quality candle.
• 2:01:16
  There was a herb too close to the flame.
• 2:01:19
  There was like, you know what I mean?
• 2:01:20
  Like I left a fucking like glass too close to the edge and then
• 2:01:24
  someone slammed the door and it fell off.
• 2:01:26
  But like, whatever, I I don't believe in the whole fucking
• 2:01:28
  everything's a sign. I just don't, that's not me,
• 2:01:30
  right? But she is like, she's very much
• 2:01:32
  like. And then she said she was like,
• 2:01:35
  Oh my God, like, and I felt this like really weird gust of wind.
• 2:01:38
  And I was like, Rihanna, and I think you have schizophrenia.
• 2:01:42
  She was. Just like, all right.
• 2:01:45
  But anyway, let's get into this. I don't even know where I was
• 2:01:48
  going with that, but Jesus Christ, witchcraft.
• 2:01:51
  So public safety concerns. Wait, no.
• 2:01:55
  Traumatic. Yeah, safe word.
• 2:01:57
  And then traumatic aftermath. So participants are often left
• 2:02:00
  severely traumatized, with injuries requiring medical
• 2:02:03
  attention and psychological distress requiring years of
• 2:02:07
  therapy. One account describes a man who
• 2:02:10
  was allegedly tortured until he passed out multiple times.
• 2:02:13
  We just said this. And workers only stopped because
• 2:02:17
  they feared that they'd killed him.
• 2:02:20
  Local authorities have occasionally been called to the
• 2:02:23
  properties due to neighbors seeing disturbing events.
• 2:02:26
  I think you mentioned this earlier.
• 2:02:29
  Such as a woman being dragged screaming from a van only to
• 2:02:33
  find out it was part of the quote.
• 2:02:35
  UN quote show Mckamey now reportedly alerts police before
• 2:02:39
  the shows begin. Rush Mckamey defends the
• 2:02:45
  experience as a survival horror boot camp experience and states
• 2:02:50
  that everything is filmed in its entirety to counter false claims
• 2:02:54
  from participants who later regret their decision.
• 2:03:00
  So apparently what he what he does as well, this is what
• 2:03:04
  people have accused them of because after people quit, what
• 2:03:11
  he does is shoves the camera in their face and tell the tell the
• 2:03:13
  people that. The.
• 2:03:16
  Experience that you've had. And they've been like, Oh my
• 2:03:19
  God, this is a crazy experience that really pushed me to my
• 2:03:21
  limits, all this kind of stuff. But what they say after the fact
• 2:03:25
  is that he threatens that if they don't say nice things about
• 2:03:30
  this, then the experience isn't over.
• 2:03:33
  They're going to torture you some more.
• 2:03:34
  They're going to keep you in there and keep the torture.
• 2:03:36
  Going and that and he has that covered in his 40 fucking page
• 2:03:40
  waiver that there is no point where they have to like, I guess
• 2:03:44
  leave you alone like they they can fucking come for you at any
• 2:03:48
  time if it's to get their content that they need, you are
• 2:03:52
  very much still in their grasp. So I have some participant and
• 2:03:57
  staff testimonies here. So these are from the
• 2:04:04
  participants. SO1 psychological and physical
• 2:04:09
  distress. I cry over every little thing.
• 2:04:13
  If I hear about Mckamey Manor I freak out.
• 2:04:15
  I'm so stressed. It gets so stressful.
• 2:04:18
  You give so much trust to them and they just break it by
• 2:04:21
  waterboarding you and slapping you.
• 2:04:23
  Which all right. Sign the waiver.
• 2:04:26
  Exactly. Grow the fuck up you don't.
• 2:04:29
  Like, I'm sure like water torture was literally listed.
• 2:04:35
  Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 2:04:36
  I've no sympathy for for someone who says, Oh my God, I was
• 2:04:41
  tortured. Yeah, you signed up for
• 2:04:44
  Tortured, you fucking idiot. You stupid bitch.
• 2:04:47
  Yeah, I'm telling them I can't breathe and they're just
• 2:04:50
  laughing and doing it more. That's what water boarding.
• 2:04:54
  Is are you? Fucking kidding.
• 2:04:57
  Me welcome to watch you sign up for a book right foot, you
• 2:05:01
  fucking idiot. Yeah, like I do you think that's
• 2:05:05
  going to be like, because I know that there are like fucking
• 2:05:08
  little haunted houses right, in states where, oh, there's a
• 2:05:12
  fucking man in the mass chasing me around.
• 2:05:14
  But at any point you can be like, no, I have a heart
• 2:05:16
  condition, please stop chasing me.
• 2:05:18
  Or you can fill out a form and wear a badge that says I have a
• 2:05:22
  heart condition. Don't chase me.
• 2:05:24
  It's not the same fucking thing. Why would you sign up to go
• 2:05:27
  there? What do you think that they're
• 2:05:28
  going to fucking make you do? Like what the fuck do you think
• 2:05:32
  torture is like? It's full like.
• 2:05:36
  This is this is The funny thing is like you've got that 40 pages
• 2:05:39
  of it of this waiver. That's one thing.
• 2:05:41
  But he adds you to a group chat with all the people in it.
• 2:05:44
  They tell you what to do. He gives he was given them
• 2:05:47
  challenges to do so, like he could tell them, right.
• 2:05:51
  Get a get a fucking tin of dog food and record yourself eating
• 2:05:55
  the tin of dog food and send it into the group chat.
• 2:05:57
  And this is before they fly over to fucking Alabama or San Diego
• 2:06:01
  or wherever it is. So like he's torturing them.
• 2:06:05
  He's giving them pre torture torture.
• 2:06:07
  I know that. He's like, it's worth his while
• 2:06:09
  to bring you there. Yeah.
• 2:06:11
  Exactly. So he wants to see how like as,
• 2:06:14
  umm, susceptible to this shit you are beforehand.
• 2:06:17
  So like anyone, half a brain would realize if this guy has me
• 2:06:21
  shaving off my eyebrow or whatever the fuck it is that
• 2:06:23
  he's doing in a Facebook group before I even fly out there that
• 2:06:28
  like, it's kind of like there's not an off limits when I get out
• 2:06:32
  there. No, it's just it's idiot beyond
• 2:06:36
  the pill I've got. No, don't get me wrong, I've no
• 2:06:39
  love for this fucking Ross Mccamey guy.
• 2:06:41
  I think he's an app. I think he's a scumbag but like.
• 2:06:45
  These. People who sign up to do this.
• 2:06:48
  Yeah, I have no sympathy. The people who sign up to do
• 2:06:50
  this and then after a fact complain that they did what was
• 2:06:54
  written down in a fucking 40 page fucking like leafless Like
• 2:07:00
  come on. Another thing like.
• 2:07:02
  You can you can say what you want about him and like about
• 2:07:06
  everything that he's doing. It's all very clearly outlined
• 2:07:12
  and like, yeah, it's, it's still fucking shitty.
• 2:07:14
  It's whatever. But the reason that he's still
• 2:07:16
  in business? And he is still.
• 2:07:18
  Like doing what he's doing is because he is fully transparent
• 2:07:23
  and open and everything is listed and you are agreeing to
• 2:07:27
  everything that he is listing in these forums that you are
• 2:07:31
  signing. And if you're making like
• 2:07:34
  fucking complaints, like I said, no one, they still kept going.
• 2:07:38
  Well, like for me, if the the the line cross is the safe word.
• 2:07:44
  So if there's a safe word then you breach that and like.
• 2:07:46
  Yeah, I breach the trust that should be.
• 2:07:48
  Yeah, that is a different. Obviously, but like, but like if
• 2:07:51
  you go in there and say he water boarded me, well, it's when it's
• 2:07:54
  written down in the waiver like that you could get water boarded
• 2:07:57
  then fucking you're an idiot. Yeah, but like, obviously, like
• 2:08:01
  I, I, I have PE for the people who went there expecting one
• 2:08:06
  experience and and getting something that was never ending.
• 2:08:11
  But if you go in there with your eyes open and you read the
• 2:08:13
  waiver and you're complaining about the stuff that's in the
• 2:08:15
  waiver, then shut the fuck up. You did sign up for this shit.
• 2:08:18
  Exactly. Like, did you even read it?
• 2:08:20
  Like, and it's at that point, like, I don't.
• 2:08:23
  So my ex used to always, like, read fucking everything, like
• 2:08:27
  terms and conditions. Like you're signing up for like
• 2:08:28
  an Apple App or something. He would go through.
• 2:08:32
  Yeah, I'm just like, agreed in terms and conditions, whatever
• 2:08:35
  he was like, you know, they can show up at your house and, like,
• 2:08:38
  fucking shoot you in the face and you've agreed to it.
• 2:08:40
  I like OK. But I think if you if you click
• 2:08:45
  agree on Disney Plus, I think you agree to never sue Disney
• 2:08:50
  over anything. So like if you get if if you.
• 2:08:53
  Yeah, I think that's it. That's.
• 2:08:55
  It I think we should do it, you get.
• 2:08:56
  Injured at a park with. Me to be honest, because that's.
• 2:08:59
  Oh yeah, we could do a whole episode on Disney, but we're not
• 2:09:01
  going to because I am in a fresh relationship with a Disney adult
• 2:09:06
  who I very much would like to keep.
• 2:09:09
  On Tell her. Tell her not to listen.
• 2:09:11
  To that episode. Actually, to cut you off, I'm
• 2:09:15
  going to cut you off because this is.
• 2:09:17
  Wow, I wasn't. I had finished talking.
• 2:09:21
  I want like I so there's like so it's October, right, and I know
• 2:09:26
  it's Halloween month and my birthday month.
• 2:09:28
  It's my birthday tomorrow. If you're listening to this, it
• 2:09:30
  was my birthday last week. But thank you.
• 2:09:34
  But there's also it's spooky lake month and it's my favorite
• 2:09:41
  fucking time of the year because there's this like a TikTok
• 2:09:43
  account and she does 30 days of haunted hydrology and you know
• 2:09:47
  me, I have some mechanophobia. So she does like spooky ligament
• 2:09:51
  and I'm in a group, the group chat that I have for my cheese
• 2:09:55
  thing, like Elise doesn't have TikTok.
• 2:09:56
  So she's like you have to send the spooky like month videos in
• 2:09:59
  every day. And I'm like, that's fine.
• 2:10:01
  But she did this one, this amusement park that was in New
• 2:10:05
  Jersey in like the 80s that was so unsafe that they used to
• 2:10:09
  call. It oh, there's the whole,
• 2:10:11
  there's a whole Netflix documentary on.
• 2:10:12
  This, Yeah, yeah. And basically there was like,
• 2:10:15
  they did this. Freaked me the fuck out, right?
• 2:10:18
  So they were like testing this one slide and they used to pay
• 2:10:22
  like the yes, and they used to pay employees like I'm sorry, I
• 2:10:27
  I'm so excited these to pay employees basically like an
• 2:10:30
  extra $100 in their paycheck to test this loop, right?
• 2:10:33
  And they were coming out with like lacerations and like, what
• 2:10:35
  the fuck apparently. These.
• 2:10:38
  People, No, it wasn't even the bolts, right?
• 2:10:41
  These people would go in and they would lose teeth in this.
• 2:10:46
  Slide. Yeah, that was what it was.
• 2:10:48
  They were chipping their teeth. Yeah, it was getting.
• 2:10:50
  The teeth would be stuck in the walls of the slide and so these
• 2:10:55
  people were coming out the end cutting bits from.
• 2:10:58
  Teeth that were stuck. In the fucking slide walls,
• 2:11:02
  fucking mental. And then the tidal wave thing
• 2:11:05
  that people would just die like it was it was apparently it was
• 2:11:08
  like a lawsuit city and it was in New Jersey and it didn't.
• 2:11:11
  It only closed like late 90s. It hasn't been closed that long.
• 2:11:17
  But yeah, they're just, it was apparently like people would
• 2:11:19
  just die all the time. We're just.
• 2:11:21
  Getting that, I would definitely recommend that Netflix
• 2:11:25
  documentary and I forget what was called but fuck.
• 2:11:28
  So fucking but if you if you have a TikTok, her name is GOGEO
• 2:11:36
  and and she does every every day.
• 2:11:39
  It's like, I, I mean, I'm obsessed with like the sea and
• 2:11:42
  lakes and stuff like that. Like, but every day is like a
• 2:11:46
  different thing. Like the most recent one she did
• 2:11:48
  today was like quarries. And I used to love barn town
• 2:11:53
  quarry growing up in Wexford. I'd have a big old swim in the
• 2:11:57
  quarry. And then you went to like the
• 2:11:59
  fact that it's so dangerous to swim in a quarry because like
• 2:12:03
  the one in town specifically was like burned out cars.
• 2:12:06
  Were there loads of rebar? Like loads of like dead horses,
• 2:12:10
  like a loads of shit. And she started talking about
• 2:12:14
  the quarry that's in North Wales, which is like the most,
• 2:12:18
  the deadliest quarry basically in the fucking like world.
• 2:12:22
  And 23 people since like March this year have died in it
• 2:12:26
  because it's so deep and it's so like fucking crazy.
• 2:12:31
  And oh, it's mental and it's like literally like it's she
• 2:12:36
  just she goes through all. It's really, really interesting.
• 2:12:38
  That's like how people like because of this, this mess, and
• 2:12:42
  it's like you should definitely like definitely look into it.
• 2:12:45
  She's great. She and she only posts like for
• 2:12:48
  the month of October every year. She's silent the whole year.
• 2:12:52
  In October she comes back and she's like, yes, hello, it's and
• 2:12:56
  she does that every time. She's the Michael Bublé of
• 2:12:59
  Halloween. Of her, she's the fucking best
• 2:13:02
  and she goes into it and then there's like this really fucking
• 2:13:05
  creepy bridge and it's like you've probably.
• 2:13:08
  Hold on. Wait, no, wait.
• 2:13:09
  I'm not like I'm not letting you get away with that.
• 2:13:11
  I just said the words. She's the Michael Bublé of and
• 2:13:15
  you went Yeah, he didn't you didn't give me enough there.
• 2:13:18
  That's. OK, I'm sorry.
• 2:13:23
  I always do. Whenever you do that, I do the
• 2:13:26
  Lisa laugh from Alisa Simpson. Yeah.
• 2:13:30
  It's like, Oh my God, did you mean it?
• 2:13:31
  I was like, oh, quick, say something clever.
• 2:13:34
  Just laugh. But yeah, if you don't Geo on
• 2:13:42
  TikTok, she's so fucking good. She actually did like a book
• 2:13:47
  where it's like it's just a book of spooky lakes and she uses
• 2:13:53
  like emojis and gifts and stuff in her videos and it's like
• 2:13:56
  ghosts and then and each lake scene there's hidden ghosts.
• 2:14:02
  But anyway, so spooky lake month.
• 2:14:05
  Happy spooky lake month. So this one, another fucking
• 2:14:11
  witness thing pisses me the fuck off because I'm just like you're
• 2:14:14
  a coward. So it's why I waited so long to
• 2:14:18
  talk about it and why in every interview my voice is shaking
• 2:14:21
  because I'm so scared how people are going to perceive it.
• 2:14:27
  She feels shame about speaking out because she signed a waiver
• 2:14:31
  consenting to take. You should feel shame about
• 2:14:35
  speaking out because you signed a fucking waiver.
• 2:14:39
  Of course she's a fucking idiot. You fucking dope you did you
• 2:14:43
  read? The 40 fucking pages saying
• 2:14:46
  that, hey, we're going to do this to you, this to you and
• 2:14:49
  this you, you might die. And you're like, I'm ashamed to
• 2:14:54
  say, fucking do, you fucking kid.
• 2:14:56
  Are you fucking stupid? Like, are you fucking stupid?
• 2:15:01
  It's so fucking annoying. It's like, oh, yeah.
• 2:15:05
  She feels shame about speaking out because she signed a waiver
• 2:15:10
  consenting to take part. All right, Hockey Canada, Like,
• 2:15:14
  are you fucking kidding me? Like, give me a fucking break.
• 2:15:18
  Like that's you. We're not going to get that
• 2:15:21
  reference. And I.
• 2:15:22
  Don't. I don't know what the fuck is
• 2:15:24
  that? There's been a huge, I'm not
• 2:15:27
  going to get into that, Alex. Don't explain it to me.
• 2:15:29
  We're two hours and 17 minutes. In this.
• 2:15:32
  And still haven't got. Next one on the failure of the
• 2:15:36
  safe word, I tell him I'm done for the night.
• 2:15:40
  I'm tired while in the through through.
• 2:15:46
  Oh, they have a through. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:48
  So like they just put you like I think it's an upturned fridge
• 2:15:52
  and they just put you in that and it's filled with water like
• 2:15:54
  so. OK, but while in the through I
• 2:15:57
  start waving my hand while saying I quit.
• 2:16:02
  Apparently he ignored her. Whatever.
• 2:16:06
  And then on the nature of the attraction, basically you just
• 2:16:10
  sign yourself up to be tortured. It's not a haunted house.
• 2:16:15
  Are you fucking kidding? These, these fucking yahoos are
• 2:16:19
  so fucking stupid. Like, no, fuck, you could not
• 2:16:24
  fucking get this information out of me.
• 2:16:26
  Like there's no fucking way I would sign up to do this fucking
• 2:16:29
  thing. And then?
• 2:16:31
  Speak out on it because I'm sorry if I've read a 40 fucking
• 2:16:36
  page waiver agreeing to be tortured, there's no fucking way
• 2:16:42
  I'm going to come out and cry about it online afterwards.
• 2:16:45
  Maybe I'll go ahead and be like, here's my experience and became
• 2:16:47
  the manager matter and how like awful it was and I wouldn't
• 2:16:50
  recommend anyone do it. But no way should I be like, oh,
• 2:16:54
  they didn't they didn't listen what I said.
• 2:16:55
  No, even though you literally fucking signed a piece of paper
• 2:16:58
  that says we might not listen when you say no.
• 2:17:01
  Yeah. It's fucking stupid.
• 2:17:03
  It's like, it's things like this, right?
• 2:17:06
  There's like, obviously like there's, so there's homestead
• 2:17:08
  houses in America all over the states wherever that you go into
• 2:17:11
  for Halloween. And they might not let you in if
• 2:17:15
  you have like certain like cardiovascular issues or like,
• 2:17:18
  you know, I mean things like that, which is perfectly fine.
• 2:17:21
  You go in, you read the rules. You're like, actually, yeah, I
• 2:17:24
  have a pacemaker. This is probably not good for
• 2:17:27
  me. I just won't go in and imagine
• 2:17:31
  being like, yeah, I have a pacemaker.
• 2:17:33
  It's probably not good. I'll go in anyway.
• 2:17:35
  Sign and then complaining about it because you get scared so bad
• 2:17:39
  that you have a heart attack. It's bullshit.
• 2:17:42
  It's this is just irresponsible people.
• 2:17:44
  I don't think this is anything to do with McKay.
• 2:17:45
  Me, I don't think it's anything. Well, like I think the.
• 2:17:50
  Maybe the same? For itself.
• 2:17:52
  But. Yeah, but also also there is the
• 2:17:55
  argument to be made that these people are vulnerable fucking
• 2:17:58
  idiots. So we just, I'll move swiftly on
• 2:18:02
  just because we're not we're going really long.
• 2:18:04
  But these next accounts are from staff actors.
• 2:18:10
  I I heard some of these and they.
• 2:18:13
  They. Unhinged.
• 2:18:16
  Yeah, so one, this is a quote. One guy, it looked like his nose
• 2:18:21
  was broken. Another brace of blood vessel in
• 2:18:24
  his eye. It was full of blood.
• 2:18:26
  I've done that before from throwing up and leaving my eyes
• 2:18:29
  open. Don't do that.
• 2:18:30
  I look like in Dawn of the Dead, that's the only time they would
• 2:18:34
  stop the tour. Then they would bring me in to
• 2:18:38
  calm them down. This is Mercedes Anne, a
• 2:18:42
  certified lifeguard present to deal with the fallout.
• 2:18:48
  I'm not going to lie, I go hard on the big guys.
• 2:18:51
  I've got 3 kids, a lady and six dogs.
• 2:18:55
  A lot going on in my life. This is a great de stressor.
• 2:19:01
  He's one of the. Actors.
• 2:19:02
  That's just a guy who's like I like I've got no power at home,
• 2:19:06
  so I'm going to fucking, I'm going to do some fucking damage
• 2:19:09
  to people like. Yeah, so this is basically his
• 2:19:11
  name is Ryan Lawrence, one of the Mckamey actors on his
• 2:19:15
  motivation for doing what he does.
• 2:19:18
  Another guy. I'm the enforcer.
• 2:19:20
  I'm here to make sure no one makes it out.
• 2:19:23
  I get carried away. I don't really have a line.
• 2:19:26
  This is also Ryan Lawrence describing his role.
• 2:19:32
  So these are quotes from Ross himself on safety and legality.
• 2:19:39
  It's psychological what we're doing.
• 2:19:43
  The guests are safe at all times.
• 2:19:46
  I need to go back and show whoever needs to see at the raw
• 2:19:49
  and unedited footage saying here you go, here's the complete
• 2:19:53
  show. This is Ross basically defending
• 2:19:56
  his operation against any legal claims because he's like.
• 2:20:01
  Yeah, you've signed this now it's it's all here in front of
• 2:20:04
  you. You can't really say it because
• 2:20:06
  it's all recorded. And then on taunting quitting
• 2:20:11
  participants, he said don't come here.
• 2:20:13
  You're not tough enough telling a sobbing participant to be
• 2:20:17
  embarrassed at the end of her short experience.
• 2:20:20
  Which all right, so the 40 page waiver itself is a quote worthy
• 2:20:27
  legal document that explicitly details the risks.
• 2:20:31
  Participant fully understands that injuries may occur during
• 2:20:35
  their tour of McKinney manner, which may include but not
• 2:20:38
  limited to head, neck and back injuries, death, stroke,
• 2:20:43
  traumatic brain injury, brain aneurysm, cerebral or retinal
• 2:20:47
  hemorrhage, subdural hematoma, loss of consciousness.
• 2:20:55
  The rest of it basically says that the actors do not stop
• 2:20:57
  until serious physical or serious psychological injuries
• 2:21:01
  are present. Yeah, so that's all I have for
• 2:21:08
  you on Mccamy Manor. It's pretty fucking fucked up.
• 2:21:14
  Yeah, it is. It's it's a fucked up place.
• 2:21:16
  He's a fucked up guy. And people who go to it, I would
• 2:21:22
  say are kind of fucked up as well.
• 2:21:23
  But did you get into anything with your the guy Ross about
• 2:21:29
  like why his wife said about him afterwards like.
• 2:21:32
  No, Could you go into that? Because I I pulled a bunch of
• 2:21:35
  shit and then. This shit.
• 2:21:37
  That I found about his wife. It wasn't it wasn't enough to be
• 2:21:43
  relevant in my notes. Well, so yeah, you if you could
• 2:21:46
  go into, that'd be. Great.
• 2:21:48
  Kind of gets a little bit fucked up.
• 2:21:50
  OK, yeah. So like this place is fucked up
• 2:21:53
  and everything's fucked up. So like there's theories about
• 2:21:55
  this obviously, where it's like, you know, he he is basically
• 2:22:02
  because like there's the questions of like, where does he
• 2:22:06
  get money for this shit? And one of his wives, his second
• 2:22:10
  wife especially, has said like she, she has put 100 grand into
• 2:22:16
  this. Yeah.
• 2:22:18
  So where these, I don't know where Americans get this fucking
• 2:22:20
  money, Like I am so poor. But like she put 100 grand into
• 2:22:24
  fucking this, this new House of his and all these kind of traps
• 2:22:28
  and all that. She said.
• 2:22:29
  Like he doesn't even look after the stuff.
• 2:22:31
  Like it's just kind of like he, he just brings people out and
• 2:22:36
  there's no clean up door or anything like that.
• 2:22:38
  So all of these eh, contraptions that he has that he like deals
• 2:22:43
  with like uses for this kind of stuff, like it's not clean or
• 2:22:47
  anything like that. Like so there's obviously like
• 2:22:49
  proper safety issues there where like, you know, fucking, you
• 2:22:53
  know, if there's people bleeding and stuff like that, like you're
• 2:22:55
  in there on top of other people's blood.
• 2:22:57
  And if there's animals around, like running around his yard,
• 2:23:00
  like there could be fucking issues there as well.
• 2:23:02
  But that's just the wife, like going back retroactively saying
• 2:23:05
  it. But like she also and all of his
• 2:23:08
  wives have apparently talked about how aggressive he is and
• 2:23:12
  how he can be sexually aggressive, He can be abusive,
• 2:23:16
  He is psychologically, you know, he's a gaslighter, he is a
• 2:23:22
  manipulator, all this kind of stuff.
• 2:23:25
  But none of that compares to the one allegation that all of these
• 2:23:30
  women have met about. And it's that he comes out with
• 2:23:35
  these weird fucking lanes. Like, I'm sexually attracted to
• 2:23:41
  kids. Don't click that.
• 2:23:51
  I just know is what I said that and he'll get.
• 2:23:55
  You that's he will. I'll get you.
• 2:24:01
  Yeah. I better be nice to Alex from
• 2:24:03
  now on. But.
• 2:24:06
  But this is what he would say, Like, so he would say.
• 2:24:10
  He'd say things like tell me it's OK because what they call
• 2:24:14
  him is a passive paedophile. Well, they did say a passive
• 2:24:17
  pedophile. How different our cultures are
• 2:24:20
  that what we would say, a passive paedophile.
• 2:24:22
  So like someone who hasn't harmed kids or wouldn't harm
• 2:24:26
  kids but has got latent sexual desires towards children.
• 2:24:33
  So all of his wives have said that he's come out with these
• 2:24:36
  bizarre things where he's talked about, eh, tell me it's OK.
• 2:24:42
  So his whole thing is tell me it's OK that I'm attracted to
• 2:24:46
  children or that I had a dream last night and that I was doing
• 2:24:50
  something to, to children or whatever this thing is.
• 2:24:52
  I'm one of his. I'm not sure if it was a wife or
• 2:24:54
  a girlfriend. Again, fucking Swiss cheese
• 2:24:57
  brain. But she had a kid and she was
• 2:24:59
  living across the country and they were meeting up and stuff
• 2:25:02
  like that. And when she had eventually kind
• 2:25:06
  of moved up, upped her whole fucking life and moved across
• 2:25:09
  there and moved in with him and stuff.
• 2:25:11
  And that's when he started ramping up the stuff.
• 2:25:14
  So I think it's like when he believes that like now he has
• 2:25:17
  yet because you're, you're here, you're after moving your whole
• 2:25:20
  life across the country or whatever, that's when he kind of
• 2:25:23
  opens up and he, he was saying things to her like, and is it
• 2:25:29
  weird that when I climax, I'm thinking about your son.
• 2:25:34
  This was the Sophie. He was saying like and tell me
• 2:25:38
  it's OK, Tell me, tell me I'm not eh, I'm not sick or tell me
• 2:25:43
  I'm not weird because I'm. Thinking about.
• 2:25:46
  Naked and yeah so this is this is one of the things that like I
• 2:25:52
  found it's it's one of those after the fact things that's
• 2:25:55
  fascinating. Now his daughter has gone come
• 2:25:57
  out and done an interview. I heard his daughter doing an
• 2:25:59
  interview and she said that she believes the accounts from the
• 2:26:05
  ex wives and that he is a sick man and that he's got some
• 2:26:08
  psychopathic tendencies and that he's got some kind of weird
• 2:26:12
  compulsions. And what she said bought her and
• 2:26:16
  her brother have never been touched.
• 2:26:17
  He's never done anything to them.
• 2:26:19
  He's never been anything but like just dad to them.
• 2:26:22
  Like he's he is an abusive nothing like that to the kids.
• 2:26:25
  And so she was kind of happy to defend him in that regard.
• 2:26:32
  I'd like to say like that he's never touched us.
• 2:26:34
  But she also said it's she's not going to say that he hasn't done
• 2:26:39
  these things where it's a where he has desires for children and
• 2:26:43
  stuff like that, where he will come out and say it like, but
• 2:26:47
  it's not just that. Like he comes out and says
• 2:26:49
  another like a lot of other freaky stuff where he says to
• 2:26:52
  his like his partner at the time, whoever it may be that
• 2:26:55
  like, tell me I'm OK, Tell me I'm not weird and tell me I'm
• 2:26:58
  not fucked up. And that the wives have
• 2:27:02
  speculated that he was molested in his childhood or that again,
• 2:27:08
  all alleged stuff. I'm not saying he did.
• 2:27:10
  He didn't. I'm just saying I'm just
• 2:27:12
  recounting what they were saying that he had, there was something
• 2:27:16
  in his childhood that fucked him up and that he didn't like to
• 2:27:20
  talk about. And he was repressed all this
• 2:27:23
  like he was repressing a lot of stuff.
• 2:27:25
  And and it kind of comes out in the fact that he is a sado
• 2:27:31
  masochist. He's a highly manipulative
• 2:27:35
  person. He eh, gets his jollies from
• 2:27:41
  board physically and psychologically abusing these
• 2:27:44
  people in this eh, Mckamey manner.
• 2:27:47
  This for yeah, apparently halted haunted house slash torture
• 2:27:51
  chamber and that the stuff that he actually comes out with in
• 2:27:56
  day-to-day life because again, we don't we we don't know much
• 2:27:59
  about this guy from his childhood and stuff like that.
• 2:28:01
  It's very hard to actually find details on him.
• 2:28:04
  There's like. Details on him on a personal
• 2:28:06
  level. Again, I just like, like I said
• 2:28:08
  earlier, it does just go from like what he has told people
• 2:28:13
  like. Exactly like so yeah, yeah, his
• 2:28:16
  he. Has the military background.
• 2:28:19
  There's no evidence of him ever being in the Navy, so yeah.
• 2:28:25
  Yeah, so this is kind of it. I like and when I would suggest
• 2:28:29
  to anybody who eh is like is is interested in this place or this
• 2:28:36
  guy. If you've listened to fucking 2
• 2:28:38
  1/2 hours of this absolute tripe that we fucking have chorn into
• 2:28:42
  your ears and you want to hear. Something I like it.
• 2:28:45
  I thought it. Was no, but it's it's good for
• 2:28:48
  all of us because we're having. A lot.
• 2:28:51
  But if there's someone that's actually like, oh, I'd like to
• 2:28:54
  get the actual details of facts and the whole thing, like
• 2:28:56
  there's stuff that I'm talking about now, like we're interviews
• 2:28:59
  and stuff like that, that is all available somewhere online.
• 2:29:02
  So like if you have an extra interest in it, look it up.
• 2:29:06
  Because it actually turns out that he's a very interesting,
• 2:29:10
  sinister character that is still kind of getting away with, like,
• 2:29:16
  talking with people's lives. Yeah.
• 2:29:18
  And they also the whole is he or isn't he a paedophile thing is
• 2:29:24
  also a fascinating twist. Listen though.
• 2:29:27
  The story that I wasn't sure. At the same time, right, yes, I
• 2:29:33
  don't agree that he is a good person by any means like I
• 2:29:37
  don't, but a lot of the I don't want to say allegations because
• 2:29:46
  they're not allegations. They're like whatever, but it's
• 2:29:50
  all from people who have agreed to go into it, sign the waiver.
• 2:29:57
  I agreed to this thing might happen.
• 2:29:59
  This thing happens and they're like, Oh no, he's a horrible
• 2:30:03
  person, he's a fucking sadist. He's not like, I think like,
• 2:30:06
  unless you knew him personally, which like you said earlier with
• 2:30:10
  the so I, I, I do apologize. I, I didn't know that whole
• 2:30:14
  story about the, the social media posts and the wife and
• 2:30:17
  stuff like that. Yeah, he's obviously unhinged
• 2:30:21
  and a fucking crazy person. Like obviously.
• 2:30:24
  And that's that, that wasn't OK. But I think I just want to throw
• 2:30:30
  it back to the fact that we don't know very much about him.
• 2:30:34
  I mean, I think common sense can say that he's an asshole, but
• 2:30:37
  like, I don't know, it's, it's, it's the whole thing.
• 2:30:41
  It's like, I feel like if you're signing off for it, you are
• 2:30:45
  asking. If you're physically signing a
• 2:30:46
  document, you are asking for it a little bit, but.
• 2:30:49
  If if you've gotten that far, yeah, that you're signing
• 2:30:52
  yourself over to that after reading waivers, getting
• 2:30:55
  involved in the these fucking groups, being told constantly
• 2:30:59
  while you're going what's going to happen there.
• 2:31:00
  They've given you these stupid challenges to do before you even
• 2:31:05
  get to a point where you go out there.
• 2:31:07
  Like if if it all comes down to it and you get to a point where
• 2:31:11
  you're in the middle of this and saying this isn't what I signed
• 2:31:14
  up for, you're a fucking moron Exactly like that's the problem.
• 2:31:19
  So like I. Don't agree to it.
• 2:31:21
  Don't do. It like it's just don't fucking
• 2:31:24
  do it. He's a scumbag.
• 2:31:27
  The people who are involved in this are scumbags.
• 2:31:30
  They're they're people who obviously are masochists.
• 2:31:34
  But like the, the, the idea of the people who are signing up to
• 2:31:39
  this and then complaining afterwards, you bullshit.
• 2:31:43
  Like I've got some magic beans to sell you because you are
• 2:31:47
  walking red flags like you are fucking morons.
• 2:31:50
  Like again, you can't, you can't walk up to a fucking a bull and
• 2:31:59
  thank you not expect to get a fucking horn in the face.
• 2:32:01
  I'm like like this is like this. Is the thing right you?
• 2:32:04
  They've signed up for this. It's billed as harsh,
• 2:32:08
  submersive, fucking torture heart experience.
• 2:32:11
  Do you think that you're going to go in there and then you're
• 2:32:13
  going to be like, I don't like this?
• 2:32:15
  And they're going to be like, oh, sorry, and give you a
• 2:32:17
  fucking hug. No, they're not.
• 2:32:19
  You've signed. Up.
• 2:32:20
  I'm going to use a metaphor that you you might enjoy, Danny.
• 2:32:25
  If someone said we're going to bring you out to the fucking
• 2:32:29
  Barrier Reef and you're going to go swimming with shacks and then
• 2:32:32
  they give you a big old fucking waiver and it says.
• 2:32:36
  You might when. You get in here, you might get
• 2:32:38
  hit by a fucking shack and you go, oh, I'm going to jump in
• 2:32:42
  here now if you come out there with half your fucking leg
• 2:32:47
  missing. You.
• 2:32:49
  Can't say, oh I didn't know the shark was going to fucking bite
• 2:32:51
  me. I agree to it.
• 2:32:53
  I agree to it. Like that's the thing.
• 2:32:55
  And it's like, it's, it's not that it's even a fucking Gray
• 2:32:59
  area. You are made to sign, to legally
• 2:33:04
  fucking put your fucking name on a 40 page document to say that
• 2:33:10
  these people are going to break you.
• 2:33:13
  They are going to fucking break you.
• 2:33:15
  There's no villain in this story other than you, I.
• 2:33:20
  Don't think anyone comes out with a story looking good.
• 2:33:22
  Like obviously like when you, when you talk about this, if you
• 2:33:26
  like, I look at it and say. Right.
• 2:33:28
  Yeah, like for me, Russ, Russ Mccamey is a bollocks.
• 2:33:32
  All these guys that are involved are assholes.
• 2:33:34
  But if you sign up for this and then complain afterwards, you're
• 2:33:38
  all. There's no fucking way.
• 2:33:39
  And it's like. It's.
• 2:33:40
  Specifically so the the actual quotes that I've pulled
• 2:33:44
  specifically are fucking stupid, right?
• 2:33:46
  Because it's like it's so obvious of a thing that it's
• 2:33:50
  just, oh, they could tell that I wasn't comfortable.
• 2:33:52
  It's like you're getting tortured and you signed your
• 2:33:56
  name to be like, I agree to be tortured, you signed, you have
• 2:34:00
  to have read right? And this is again, this might go
• 2:34:03
  back to me being careless. I don't read anything that they
• 2:34:05
  sign. I don't read any TS and CS
• 2:34:08
  nothing. I could sign up to anything and
• 2:34:10
  they'd be like, oh, we have the right to your first born child.
• 2:34:13
  So like, someone could just show up at the hospital.
• 2:34:17
  I'm all proud with my baby and my husband beside me.
• 2:34:19
  And they're like, all right, we'll take that.
• 2:34:21
  Thank you. And I'm like, what?
• 2:34:23
  It's like, oh, do you remember that time that you signed up for
• 2:34:26
  a free trial of toilet paper? Well, that baby's ours.
• 2:34:29
  Do you know what I mean? Like it's so true though, Like.
• 2:34:35
  You just invented a hypothetical baby and a hypothetical husband.
• 2:34:39
  Yeah, but you. Unbelievable.
• 2:34:40
  Part of that story is that you could sign up for a free trial
• 2:34:43
  of toilet paper you. Can I sign up to Who gives a
• 2:34:47
  crap, right? I'll show you the picture
• 2:34:49
  because it comes in a box and it's all like the the paper is
• 2:34:53
  really nice and cute and. But it's it's things.
• 2:34:56
  Like that where it's just like, do you actually think right.
• 2:34:58
  And I think a lot of this is like it's it's like a Taylor
• 2:35:01
  Swift ISM of women because well. Here we go.
• 2:35:05
  This is the only kind of thing that I could find.
• 2:35:07
  It's all women. Men don't make these complaints.
• 2:35:10
  It's the women who sign up to do this that make the complaints
• 2:35:13
  right? And it's basically just like,
• 2:35:15
  yeah, I mean, I signed this 40 page document to say that it was
• 2:35:18
  totally OK to torture me, but then they fucking tortured me.
• 2:35:21
  And I'm like, are you fucking getting it?
• 2:35:23
  Like Travis, Like. That's really what it is.
• 2:35:28
  I'm like, there's no man. I know I don't know how much
• 2:35:32
  fucking wine you've got into here right now.
• 2:35:34
  I'm drinking. Hot marriage.
• 2:35:37
  Excuse you. Well, you've come to a point
• 2:35:42
  where you're like, we're here. Like, this is such a Taylor
• 2:35:45
  Swift thing to happen. You just wanted to fucking
• 2:35:48
  interject. It's some Taylor Swift.
• 2:35:51
  I can't insult women without insulting Taylor Swift.
• 2:35:54
  I'm sorry but I just mean like the people who have made this
• 2:35:58
  specific complaint. Men don't make this complaint
• 2:36:00
  because I mean this. I sound like a fucking gender
• 2:36:03
  traitor. I do, but men don't make this
• 2:36:07
  complaint. I am.
• 2:36:09
  I'm sorry. Pick me.
• 2:36:10
  Yeah, you're such a. Pick me and.
• 2:36:13
  No walk through sighting because I don't read the waiver.
• 2:36:16
  I'll fully fucking put my hand. I don't read shit either.
• 2:36:19
  It's what happened to me. But men read the waiver.
• 2:36:23
  These girls are like, Oh my God, like they said like.
• 2:36:26
  I don't read any. I don't read shit, Danny.
• 2:36:29
  I don't know, whatever this has been Mckamey Manor, she's been
• 2:36:32
  Danny. I've been just seen.
• 2:36:39
  Holy shit it must be bad if you're the one that's fucking
• 2:36:41
  want to brush the thing. Off I have to, I have to pee
• 2:36:45
  really bad. So I'm like, let's wrap it up.
• 2:36:48
  Ladies and gentlemen, I've been Josie, she's been Danny.
• 2:36:50
  She's busting for a piss and but it's her own fault because she's
• 2:36:53
  been Downing vodka and talking shit.
• 2:36:56
  Vodka and. Two hours.
• 2:36:58
  I meant to say it to you. It's on offer again if you
• 2:37:00
  wanted it. The Pepsi Lime, which I know
• 2:37:02
  that you were. Oh, the Pepsi lime.
• 2:37:04
  I know you were gay. You.
• 2:37:05
  Had that over. Here.
• 2:37:07
  So nice. Where'd you?
• 2:37:08
  Get. It at Amazon.
• 2:37:10
  It was like. 3 lbs for 24 of them.
• 2:37:13
  Now, this time, because it was on a flash deal.
• 2:37:16
  That's well. That's.
• 2:37:19
  That's good, the guy who ghosted me just text me so now I have to
• 2:37:24
  leave and hang myself. OK, ladies.
• 2:37:28
  On that note, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for hanging
• 2:37:32
  out with us for a spell. Goodbye.
• 2:37:38
  Alex, I'm so sorry for this one. Obviously I'm not what I am.