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  At least up. Let's go.
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  It's time for better with the boys.
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  Well, school, you know, welcome back to Banter
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  with the boys gridiron updates week 17.
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  Another Vikings W, of course.
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  Yeah, buddy. Not this is not green for the Packers.
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  That is that is that is my Grinch sweater, you know,
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  so don't get don't get confused.
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  You're being the Grinch on the Seahawks, the Packers, the Lions.
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  Yeah, we're going with correct.
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  The Vikings will finish three and I like it.
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  Yeah, for sure.
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  I Christmas came a little bit earlier this year.
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  Well, you got one present in Seattle on Sunday.
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  So I'll take that for a nice 13 to start.
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  They they snuck away with that.
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  Yeah. I mean, typically we haven't won there in what, 20 years.
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  So I mean, since 2006. Exactly.
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  Yeah. Well, that's 18 years if I did math quick, but
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  go round it up to 20.
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  Sounds way better on the on the mic.
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  Well, we'll get to the purple. Don't worry.
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  But Rob, thanks for joining us again, as always.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Of course. Every week, every week, every single week.
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  And then, of course, Dan, welcome back for another episode.
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  Dude, it is awesome to be back to be back.
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  I love being on Banter, the boys and probably absolutely awesome.
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  Probably more fun after a Vikings win.
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  Oh, there's been so many of those.
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  Absolutely. It's hard to keep track.
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  Yeah. 13, actually.
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  But and Daniels is dominating the picks all year.
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  True. He's on the top of the year.
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  He's slipping a little right now.
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  Yeah, I was going to say a little slow roll, but I'm at three in one
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  with this Packers game coming on.
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  So we'll see how that goes.
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  Did you go Packers? I did.
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  OK, everybody is. All right.
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  The reason why that's in question is we're recording a day earlier than normal.
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  Normally we record on Tuesdays.
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  We are recording on Monday.
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  And the Monday night football game is kicking off in about 30 minutes.
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  So maybe we'll just give a quick brief preview on that,
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  whatever, instead of recapping it because it hasn't happened yet.
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  But with that, Kev, let's head into our week 16 game recaps.
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  And of course, starting with the Vikings, I mean, we as we always do.
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  And starting with a Vikings win, as we always do this season.
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  Eight in a row? Nine in a row? What is that technically?
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  Eight. Eight. Yeah, a lot.
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  Two months worth. Vikings get in the dub 27 to 24 in Seattle.
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  What did you say, Dan, first time since when again?
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  Since 2006, Chester Taylor days.
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  Chester. Oh, man. Chester Taylor days.
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  Yeah. When he ran that, I think it was like an 80 yard
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  whatever back to the house.
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  I was just screaming as a young Vikings fan. OK.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  But Vikings seem to have it under control most of the day.
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  And then Seattle tried to sneak in there towards the end.
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  That final Seattle touchdown really had me flabbergasted for a while
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  until I was finally able to see that his what's his name?
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  AJ, AJ Baron, something tight end for the Barner.
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  Yeah, the tight end for the Seahawks.
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  Hell heck of a catch.
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  Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Amazing catch. But seeing it live, I was like, bro,
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  no, two feet. What's going on? I'm losing it.
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  And then you slow it down.
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  You see his knee does touch his toe touches on like his left leg
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  and then his knee touches.
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  But his right leg never touches inbound.
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  So everybody's freaking out that you got to have two feet in bounds.
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  But you just got to have a knee counts almost as two feet.
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  If your body learned it, you hit off his helmet at first.
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  He caught it off his helmet.
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  And then there's the possession thing, right?
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  But it did not move. No.
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  I mean, I stared at that ball.
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  You could look at the logo on the ball.
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  Yeah. And he pinned that thing against it and then grabbed it with both hands.
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  It never really. He had possession.
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  Yeah, just insane.
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  I haven't seen catch like that since that Giants like NFC
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  championship game with Eli and David Tyree.
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  But yeah, it gets the helmet.
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  But it was really. Yeah.
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  Interesting about that play is they didn't review it.
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  It was such a like goofy.
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  And the commentators were trying to like call for a review, if you will.
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  Like they kept mentioning it like, oh, they're going to have to review
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  this for sure and blah, blah, blah. And then they're kicking the field goal.
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  They're like, oh, they must have reviewed it very quickly.
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  Yeah, exactly. It was like, oh, perfect.
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  We got the, you know, Vegas spread, got a little closer.
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  Got to make sure this is a game.
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  It was just odd that they didn't, you know, at least take a half a cent.
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  Look at it. Well, and now have you seen the still OK following drive?
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  Obviously Vikings Sam Darnold to JJ clutch. Amazing.
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  Oh, my gosh. JJ's body control.
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  Unbelievable, by the way, to spin around like that and still stay up
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  and get into that and just phenomenal.
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  However, however, for those Seattle fans that are listening to us,
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  there was that still you can see a still in the replay of I think it was
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  who's our left tackle? Cam Robinson Robinson.
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  There might be a hands to the face there that got missed.
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  Allegedly, have you seen that picture?
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  No, I haven't. So there's a thousand plays get mess.
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  100 percent. Yeah, 100 percent.
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  And again, that touchdown didn't didn't get reviewed either.
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  So at that time, I was I still was thinking that that was not a touchdown.
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  And then that came out and I'm all over the X sphere, you know,
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  and everybody's like, oh, hands to the face.
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  Vikings getting handed the win again.
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  And I'm just like, I need to get off. Yeah. Yeah.
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  But like, we're not the chiefs. Calm down.
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  We're not the enemy here.
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  Just chill out a minute. Cheer for us, darn it.
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  We're in fifth place. Come on. Help us out. Right. Right.
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  No. But but yeah, Vikings, Vikings sealing it.
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  I mean, Jay Jeddo's 144 yards to tugs.
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  Yeah. He had an elite game. He pretty much caught every target.
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  Addison still had another touchdown.
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  Is he a double digits yet this year for touchdowns?
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  That sounds he's got to be in close eight, nine.
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  He's got to be close.
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  He's definitely because he's eight. Got eight touchdowns.
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  Yeah. And Aaron Jones really started off the game real nice.
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  He had a bunch of seven, eight yard runs that got our drive started, you know,
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  and they're going to need him for a long, you know, playoff run. Sure.
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  You know, I like those short down in distance.
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  We really, really effective moving the ball when we got a little bit
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  of a running game going.
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  Yes. I wanted to give a shout out though to the Seattle.
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  I could notice the sound just through the TV set of that place.
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  So I was I listened to the first quarter on Kfan here because I was on my way home.
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  So I was listening to it on the radio for those who know what Kfan is.
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  But listening to it on the radio, that was my first comment to Mariah.
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  I was like, it is loud. It is loud. You could hear it.
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  I mean, you could barely hear P.A. and that do talks loud as heck.
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  You know what I mean? So they call it the 12th man for a reason.
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  A hundred percent.
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  So looking at the playoff picture, obviously, the vikes have clenched a playoff spot.
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  Yep. Just real quick before we move on Green Bay in that second spot.
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  Probably got that locked down.
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  We'll see this week. They would have to lose out.
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  Yeah, which I don't foresee happening.
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  They're going to lose this week, obviously.
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  And then the following week, I think they play the Bears.
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  Yes, probably. So they might have that.
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  But watching commanders with the win,
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  we'll talk about them just moved up to 10 wins as well in that third spot.
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  So, you know, you got Tampa Bay sitting there at eight and seven
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  and Seattle sitting there at eight and seven.
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  Seattle's all but out of the playoffs at this point.
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  They're not officially eliminated, but they definitely got to win out
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  and they need some help.
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  They're going to need Washington to drop out.
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  And I don't think that's going to happen.
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  Tampa Bay could still win the division.
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  Yeah, Atlanta's also eight and seven.
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  So things could still shake out there for them.
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  But Atlanta being two and over the box this year really helps.
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  Now, 100 percent.
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  And Tampa's also pretty much also all but out.
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  But they still have that outside chance.
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  But but they got Falcons versus commanders this week.
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  So that's going to be a very good game.
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  Those will be a tough game.
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  But anyway, so Seattle, you need some luck.
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  You need some luck on your side.
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  But ultimately, Vikings getting the win.
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  Twenty seven, twenty four.
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  Sam Darnold again, three tugs, you know, MVP, you know,
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  and usually when you're around eight and seven around this time,
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  it's usually good enough to be a six, seven seed.
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  But the NFC is just strong this year.
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  Yeah, eight and seven right now.
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  I think you'd be sitting in a in a playoff spot in the AFC.
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  Let me see.
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  I need an 11, six record.
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  Eight and seven in the AFC.
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  You'd be one game out.
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  Yeah, nine and five.
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  Isn't that what the Chargers are? Nine and nine and six.
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  Which now is beating the Broncos.
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  They're now above the Broncos.
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  So Broncos now in that seven seed at nine six.
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  But yeah, well, we'll touch on all the playoffs, don't you worry.
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  Moving on to our next game, which actually is the game
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  that is going to happen tonight.
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  So we don't need to spend too much time on it.
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  New Orleans Saints going to Lambeau, I believe, isn't it?
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  Yes, in Lambeau, it's going to be 32 degrees.
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  I don't see any reason why the Packers do not win this game.
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  You know, no Derek Carr.
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  I do. I don't believe so.
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  I think he's done for the season, actually.
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  Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah.
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  Carr's done, Alvin Kamara's done, MVS out.
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  A lot of out.
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  Let's taste a hill.
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  They're going to lean on
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  Jacobs heavily like they have been for the Packers.
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  Oh, yeah. Considering this is a cold game.
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  And then the Saints are just.
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  I don't think they still got a little bit of a fighting spirit in them,
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  but I think they're just waiting, cruising to the end of the season.
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  I was going to mention this in the in the injuries, but it's,
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  you know, relevant to right now, Luke Musgrave will return tonight
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  for the Packers, so that's not a tight end.
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  Yeah, that's not ideal for the Vikes.
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  Yeah. Him and Kraft are a good one to come.
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  100 percent.
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  You don't need to give more weapons to Jordan love this time of the year.
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  Right. But so, yeah.
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  Unless something drastic goes wrong and the Packers
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  proverbially pee it down their leg.
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  I don't see that.
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  But you know, when this one, you know,
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  there's got to be some really weird bounces, some turnovers that keep,
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  you know, I think the Saints in this game even have a chance.
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  But I feel like the Packers are and get out at home, you know,
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  and it's going to be over at halftime.
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  Do the same to if if some quarterback falls in the draft,
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  do the Saints go that direction?
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  Oh, no, I'm not saying who like I don't see a Shader.
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  I don't see a cam or dropping like that.
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  Well, they still got Carr and a contract.
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  I don't I don't think they're going to be high enough on that draft list
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  to even touch even the top three.
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  Yeah, I don't even have anybody in mind.
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  You know, if there's a baby and you know, there's some quarterbacks
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  that are going to leave their teams and be looking for new homes.
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  Her cousins, Sam Darnold, Sam.
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  So you're going with the Vikings are keeping them up.
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  I mean, I think they just I think they stick to the script and go with McCarthy.
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  You know, that's the script for you.
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  I think it is. I mean, McConnell is.
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  O'Connell has shown that he can develop a quarterback pretty well.
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  So I think they're going to stick to the plan and be able to develop McCarthy
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  and hopefully turn him into that franchise quarterback that he can be
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  before they have to give him that 60 million a year that these
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  quarterbacks are getting.
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  Yeah. If it's that low by then.
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  Right. Yeah, exactly.
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  So I'd probably be higher.
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  Yeah. I mean, there's a handful of people.
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  Mac Jones. So Mac Jones is I think is only got one year left.
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  Is he he's going to be looking for a new job.
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  He's kind of auditioning at the moment to try to grab his audition.
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  Not going that well.
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  Hey, I'm just throwing him on the list.
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  When was the last time Saints drafted quarterback in the first round?
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  Had been a long, long time ago.
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  I think their franchise to take in a established guy.
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  Fair enough. That's just my opinion.
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  I don't think you think the Saints are.
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  Yeah. Take would go find a vet.
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  I mean, if they're a card, they can turn around.
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  I mean, they could go with a Kirk Cousins or a Stafford or not Stafford, but.
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  I think Stafford is on the last year of his deal.
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  Maybe. I think. No, no, he's not.
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  I looked at it more. Yeah.
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  I think he's got two or two.
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  Yeah, no way. Yeah.
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  It was like a three year contract after he won the Super Bowl.
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  So he'll retire around.
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  There's a little bit.
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  I definitely in the quarterback area in the cell.
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  But I think that all depends on what the Vikings end up doing with Sam Darnold.
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  What are they? You know, franchise take them and trade him with that franchise tag.
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  Yeah, you're right.
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  But it's starting to get every time he wins.
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  It's getting more difficult to say, hey, let's start over again.
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  Because I think if J.J.
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  was quarterbacking yesterday in Seattle, I do not think that final drive goes our way.
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  Oh, that's true.
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  You know, that was a pretty big move that he did stepping up in that pocket
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  and giving this body at Lumen Field. That's very true.
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  You know, for sure. But we're going backwards, gentlemen.
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  We talked about the forward. I know.
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  I know. I'm excited about it.
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  I know we're excited about the purple, as am I.
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  You think you boys. Sorry, guys.
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  But yeah, Packers probably getting the win tonight over the Saints Saints.
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  Yeah. Better luck next year.
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  Third game, third game, third game.
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  Denver traveling to SoFi to play the Chargers Chargers
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  getting win thirty four to twenty seven with a pretty big fourth quarter.
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  Yeah, I did not see that coming to be on.
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  I picked against the Chargers. I did, too. Yeah.
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  I mean, the Broncos kind of they they stopped running the ball
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  in the second half. They couldn't move the ball.
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  It was it was. And why? Why?
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  Why? We see this time and time again to go away from the run,
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  especially when it's working sometimes.
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  I don't quite understand that.
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  And they and they had the lead at half.
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  They did have the lead.
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  So I just don't understand that mentality.
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  Yeah. And they just started going three and out and the tide kind of turned.
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  And the Chargers, you know, got the lead and never looked back. Really? Yeah.
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  Does Bo Nicks have any shot at rookie of the year?
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  Oh, probably.
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  No, I would say Jaden Daniels.
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  We'll talk about Jaden Daniels here in a couple of games. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I mean, I guess AFC wise, are we trying to split it?
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  Yeah, if we split it.
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  I'm trying to think who else on the AFC side that would be qualifying for that.
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  Now, I feel like a dummy for asking this question,
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  but are those awards announced before the postseason or after?
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  Because these these two really quarterbacks area. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Right. Jaden Daniels will both go to the playoffs and we'll see how they do
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  in the playoffs.
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  If you can go and win a playoff game in your rookie season,
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  I think that definitely deserves an award for sure. You know?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  I mean, Bo Nicks is doing I mean, he did really nothing wrong per se.
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  He just did decision making.
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  Well, probably Bowers.
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  Titan out of all he's playing.
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  Awesome. Yeah. I hundred and six receptions on the year.
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  So I guess I'm trying to run through the rookies through my head right now.
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  I suppose he absolutely could be up there.
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  And he beat out a quarterback, though.
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  And Bo Nicks has been has been getting more consistent to you.
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  But I think Bowers broke so many rookie records that he broke
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  at least one rookie record.
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  He's third for another one.
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  We'll mention it. And you know, and he's like top ten and receiving right now
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  and the other side as a tight receivers. Yeah. Yeah. Right. For sure.
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  No, he's a stud.
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  So I'd probably go there if I had a vote, I'd go probably go Brock Bowers.
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  Ours over next. Yeah, for sure.
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  But next is a close second for you. Maybe he's had a pretty solid year.
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  He's just he struggled a little bit.
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  He had that one pass or he was way short on a wide open receiver.
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  Did that get picked to
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  I'm trying to think of that play, but it was just a big play where I'm like,
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  oh, I remember didn't lead him.
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  But that was one of his things in coming out of college at Oregon.
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  He had just a lot of short routes.
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  Quick routes wasn't very good at the deep ball.
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  Has a strong arm.
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  You know, he has just the accuracy, the deep throw accuracy, you know,
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  and then I showed up and actually kind of that was almost probably that
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  almost the play that kind of almost I must say turn the tide of that game.
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  But it was just like, if you would have had that one.
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  I wish the Broncos would run Javante Williams a little bit more.
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  Did he go down with injury? I don't think he did.
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  He only had four rushes on the day.
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  That's a that's a guy I'd give more touches to.
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  I mean, he was up there.
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  He was up there last year, I believe, for them.
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  I think he was their number one.
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  I don't know.
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  I think you think this is third year in the league
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  out of like North Carolina or something.
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  Who did get the touch for the Broncos?
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  McLaughlin? No, his name's Audrick Esteem Esteem.
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  Yeah, I do not know much about him.
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  He's a rookie. Yeah, I don't know.
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  It's pretty good.
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  But they've had a carousel running backs ever since like Terrell Davis.
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  And then after Terrell, I think that they had Melvin Gordon for a minute.
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  But they've been drafting rookies in the first second round
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  consistently over the last 10 years.
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  I think none of them panned out.
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  I think the Broncos have been really just a air raid type offense
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  the really last 10 years because you haven't really needed a stud running back.
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  When you know you don't Peyton Manning come in and you don't necessarily need it.
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  But and again, like looking at Giovante Williams had seven receptions.
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  That's that's what you want.
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  You want to get running backs involved in that quick stuff.
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  And I think that's what Sean Payton loves to do.
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  Yeah, it is. And that's what he did with Kamara down in that.
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  And all that, you know, he didn't have over 20 carries a ton of times.
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  Yeah, he was more than that.
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  A threat in that passing game.
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  But as far as the charges go, we talked a lot about the Broncos,
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  who lost the game, but the Chargers, you know, call it, you know,
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  I come calling for that running game, running game while Gus Edwards
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  doing what he does, getting the touchdowns, you know what I mean?
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  Close closer to the I can't remember if his long run was a touchdown.
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  But I know one for sure is that goal line stand.
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  And that's kind of what you want out of them.
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  Yeah, I think they still miss that that J.K.
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  Dobbins effect, but they at least were able to have some sort of offensive
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  identity this week, it seemed like.
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  I mean, what do you have? 12 carries, eight carries.
• 17:45
  Who got Edward? Gus word 14, 14 for 48 yards.
• 17:47
  Herbert also ran for eight.
• 17:49
  Yeah. So I mean, they still at least somewhat sticking with it
• 17:53
  to effectively, you know, a little bit of play action, you know,
• 17:59
  because they also don't have a ton of the receivers that are really scare me.
• 18:03
  No, McConkie's McConkie's coming up, I think.
• 18:06
  I actually saw McConkie's that lad McConkie's
• 18:09
  a his high school stats.
• 18:12
  Yeah, he was a quarterback.
• 18:14
  He had like, I don't know, 20 some touchdowns passing.
• 18:17
  Wow. Like 1500 yards.
• 18:19
  I could have pulled the yardage out of my butt.
• 18:21
  I think it's more than that.
• 18:22
  But and then he also ran for like another 15 years, like a dual threat quarterback.
• 18:26
  He was a three star out of like some small town.
• 18:29
  So kind of like a Julian Edelman a little bit. Yeah, for sure.
• 18:32
  So I found that really interesting.
• 18:34
  And now he continues to blossom each week that goes by.
• 18:37
  So that can be huge as far as like knowing your just capability in a playbook.
• 18:43
  It's really interesting what they draft with their big thing will be next year.
• 18:48
  Is it defense or they go for a wide out, you know, not after losing Keaton Allen?
• 18:53
  Who's my running backs?
• 18:54
  You know, I think that's hard.
• 18:56
  I just got to know who would be there.
• 18:58
  Maybe you got the guy from Boise State's and the other two running back.
• 19:01
  Chargers aren't probably going to get the guy from Boise State.
• 19:04
  No, but the two guys are Oklahoma's.
• 19:06
  Oh, the Ohio State.
• 19:09
  Yeah, they're whole offense, really.
• 19:12
  But yeah, but yeah, I mean, that's all I feel like they need to go
• 19:17
  on that team, you know, defensively, I think they're OK.
• 19:19
  They're OK. They just they have their secondary is trouble sometimes.
• 19:23
  And not a Derwin James fan.
• 19:26
  I am a Derwin. I'm a big Derwin James fan, but outside of him,
• 19:30
  it's not super awesome.
• 19:32
  Yeah, they're just inconsistent.
• 19:34
  So we'll see what else I got to do. Yeah.
• 19:38
  Cleo Mac, we'll get a sack, but the future is bright for Chargers fans, though,
• 19:41
  for sure. Think Harbaugh knows what he's doing.
• 19:44
  That that I would agree with.
• 19:45
  I think it's a matter of time before, you know, they're going to make
• 19:48
  the playoffs this year, right?
• 19:48
  So we'll see what they got.
• 19:50
  We'll see what they got.
• 19:51
  But they got the dub over the Broncos and now
• 19:55
  jump them slightly in that wild card race.
• 19:58
  So he's still a battle.
• 19:59
  It is still a battle, but the Chargers are feeling a little bit better about it today.
• 20:04
  But they got to win next week.
• 20:06
  Who do they play here really quick?
• 20:07
  I should know that Patriot.
• 20:09
  They finish at New England and at Las Vegas.
• 20:12
  So, oh, if the Chargers drop either one of those games,
• 20:15
  then their first round exit for me, you can't drop either one of those.
• 20:19
  No. Now, if you see your players in week 18 because your position is locked up
• 20:22
  and you can't move up or down, then it then doesn't matter.
• 20:25
  Yeah. Then then the game against Vegas is mute.
• 20:27
  But yeah, you absolutely cannot go into New England next week and lose.
• 20:31
  I think they're wanting done anyways.
• 20:33
  There's a good chance of that. Yeah.
• 20:34
  There's a good chance that hurts my soul.
• 20:36
  But moving on, moving on, we got the the Steelers going into Baltimore.
• 20:41
  What a doozy this was. This was Saturday night, wasn't it?
• 20:44
  It was. Yeah.
• 20:46
  What a game this was.
• 20:47
  Thirty four, 17 Baltimore getting the win over the Steelers.
• 20:53
  It was tough.
• 20:54
  I wanted the Steelers win that game so bad, but they just that Baltimore offense.
• 20:59
  I mean, it's they played well.
• 21:01
  It's scary that Baltimore.
• 21:03
  I mean, we keep looking at it.
• 21:05
  I'm not trying to, you know, say that the Steelers have no shot.
• 21:09
  I'm not trying to say the Bills or the Texans have no shot.
• 21:11
  But if the Ravens played Kansas City, you know, for the AFC championship,
• 21:15
  hypothetically, I don't know how the seeding whatever, you know.
• 21:17
  Yeah. But I mean, that offense might be too much for that Kansas City defense,
• 21:22
  which has looked up rocky at times.
• 21:25
  I'm not trying to turn in Chris Collins worth right now
• 21:27
  and just talk about Kansas City and the Chiefs, but homes.
• 21:30
  But you know what I mean?
• 21:31
  But like that, but the Chiefs are pretty good at stopping the run.
• 21:35
  And that's what I think the Ravens did really effectively of taking that
• 21:38
  that really high pressure defense.
• 21:41
  You know, the Blitz, if you can establish the run, they had over 200
• 21:44
  and some yards rushing, you know, and he buddy throw another 200.
• 21:49
  I know. But how many times did he pass?
• 21:51
  Yeah. Oh, only 23. So like that.
• 21:52
  Please. So where's the pass rush?
• 21:54
  It doesn't really have an effect.
• 21:55
  Those blitz do when you're not only passing it or throwing the ball 22 times
• 21:59
  and you're running it 30.
• 22:01
  How many 40 attempts did they have?
• 22:03
  Thirty nine, if I remember right. But I mean, I think the Ravens did
• 22:06
  what the Steelers did not.
• 22:08
  And that was establish a run game.
• 22:10
  I mean, Najee Harris wasn't really a factor.
• 22:12
  He kind of took a backseat to Jalen Warren as he should at this point.
• 22:16
  Yeah. In my opinion, I mean, Jalen Warren should probably just be getting the start.
• 22:20
  And Nadji's your number two guy or your goal line package guy.
• 22:23
  Exactly. And he's like you said, he's more of your hard bruiser runner.
• 22:28
  But he doesn't do much of that either anymore.
• 22:31
  When he gets five, six yards, seven yards on first down,
• 22:36
  it's it's usually looking good for the Steelers, but that did not happen.
• 22:40
  Yeah. I mean, they were in the game till half that pick six.
• 22:42
  After that was kind of it was over.
• 22:44
  Yeah. The prom Humphreys.
• 22:46
  That was a nice play by Humphreys there. Yeah.
• 22:48
  I don't know what Russell Wilson was looking at, but
• 22:51
  ghosts. Yeah.
• 22:53
  I think the Steelers need another passing option.
• 22:56
  Who's who's out there?
• 22:57
  Free agent or rookie wise next season?
• 22:59
  I mean, they just got Mike Williams.
• 23:02
  Yeah, but I think he's a little too towards the end of his career.
• 23:05
  The playbook. Yeah. 14 back to.
• 23:09
  Pickens. Oh, I was like, Claypool.
• 23:11
  No, I think you were like rookie Claypool, maybe.
• 23:15
  Yeah. And Claypool right now, he hasn't been playing.
• 23:18
  I think he's I think he's not even with the bills or he was released.
• 23:21
  I can't remember. That's right.
• 23:22
  So but hey, but he's out there, right?
• 23:24
  If he can fix whatever is going on, he's been working out.
• 23:27
  And I only bring him up, right? OK.
• 23:29
  I saw hypothetical on Facebook, Facebook or whatever.
• 23:31
  I'm like, nah.
• 23:33
  And then I went to Claypool's like instant.
• 23:35
  I'm like checking him out and stuff while looking at his videos.
• 23:38
  Watching his videos. Yeah.
• 23:39
  Watching his videos that every single player does,
• 23:42
  yeah, including high schoolers that never make the league. Right.
• 23:45
  But but it's just like, dude, I don't know if he if he fixes his attitude
• 23:50
  and like the whole keeping the ball thing
• 23:52
  when you guys are trying to hurry up and win a freaking game.
• 23:54
  I remember that. You know what I mean?
• 23:56
  Like, oh, I was hilarious.
• 23:57
  Does Mike Tomlin even accept a guy like that back in his locker?
• 24:01
  No, I bet you that bridge is way better.
• 24:03
  Way better. Way better.
• 24:03
  I think it's gone. It's a hypothetical.
• 24:05
  He's still a big body receiver.
• 24:07
  You know what I mean? If he can like he's got the talent.
• 24:09
  Good route. But I just think just well, he was.
• 24:12
  It's all here. Chicago.
• 24:13
  It's all here. Yeah. I think he's in his head.
• 24:16
  He got after that great rookie season after the great rookie.
• 24:19
  Everyone was saying you're the greatest thing since sliced bread.
• 24:22
  And then he was like, fair enough.
• 24:26
  But yeah, obviously, George Pickens, you know, being injured,
• 24:28
  but they just need another piece for me. I don't know.
• 24:31
  I don't know what what did Calvin Austin look like?
• 24:34
  He's OK. He's OK.
• 24:35
  But Calvin Austin to me is a perfect like a high level number three.
• 24:39
  Yeah, exactly. Maybe a Swiss Army knife can line up in the slot.
• 24:42
  Yeah, for sure. But you need one of those players.
• 24:45
  Yeah. OK, so that's great.
• 24:46
  But I don't necessarily think he'll take the top off the defense.
• 24:49
  I don't think so either.
• 24:50
  And now that makes me think of another guy, but he's a gadget player too.
• 24:53
  Is Debo Samuel leaving San Fran?
• 24:55
  Could he go over there to after that big contract?
• 24:58
  Can anybody take that?
• 25:00
  I mean, they're going to have to get rid of Debo because they signed a you
• 25:03
  can then they just drafted Piersol.
• 25:05
  And I think the 49ers got to say goodbye to some of the contract.
• 25:11
  You know, does he?
• 25:12
  I know we could go off on a whole.
• 25:13
  49ers are in trouble.
• 25:14
  Yeah, they are.
• 25:16
  I'm just trying to think of other receivers.
• 25:17
  Well, the other receiver that was just out and we saw that got signed by the Texans,
• 25:20
  Yonti Johnson, he was there.
• 25:22
  And so if kind of like, you know, Tomlin,
• 25:26
  if he wanted somebody back, he's been there familiar with him
• 25:30
  and they still didn't want him.
• 25:31
  So is he a cancer in the locker room?
• 25:33
  And I was actually just talking to
• 25:37
  a Steelers fan last night playing NCAA, of course, of all things.
• 25:41
  But and I actually asked him about Deontay Johnson and he was like,
• 25:44
  Oh, yeah, I'd take him back.
• 25:45
  You know, he's a lifelong Steelers fan.
• 25:48
  But yeah, yeah, obviously, Texas picked him up today.
• 25:50
  So that's that think going down.
• 25:52
  Yeah. So I'm surprised he didn't want back there versus going into a whole new offense.
• 25:56
  But he's kind of had a really weird season.
• 26:00
  Yeah. Maybe I hope this is a fresh start for him.
• 26:03
  It's a really great opportunity.
• 26:04
  Oh, yeah. Working with, you know, a good young quarterback, too.
• 26:08
  So I think Del Hurt.
• 26:09
  Yeah. Deontay Johnson in there.
• 26:12
  It is there. Yeah.
• 26:14
  Moving to the last game of the week,
• 26:16
  probably the most exciting game of the week.
• 26:18
  I mean, the last game we just talked about was extremely exciting.
• 26:21
  But this one, I mean, coming down to the wire.
• 26:25
  Washington commanders getting the win 36, 33 over the Philadelphia Eagles
• 26:30
  Asterix game. Yeah.
• 26:33
  Jalen Hurts got hurt.
• 26:34
  That was completely different.
• 26:36
  And this just proved how valuable Jalen is.
• 26:39
  You know, the Jalen Hurts haters.
• 26:41
  Yeah. I mean, Philly was dominating that game in that first half.
• 26:45
  Yeah. It looked like it was going to be over quick.
• 26:48
  And then Hurts got hurt.
• 26:50
  And then Barkley had that nice touchdown run after that for 60 yards.
• 26:54
  Thank you, buddy, for my fantasy win this week.
• 26:56
  I'm in the championship just throwing that out there.
• 26:58
  30 carries for Barkley.
• 26:59
  But yeah, I mean, they had to pound the ball with Kenny Pickens now at quarterback.
• 27:03
  You know, so I haven't also went down.
• 27:05
  I haven't seen anything.
• 27:07
  Who if you know, if Hurts is coming back at all on the
• 27:11
  concussion protocol scenario, so that could be a really interesting turn for them
• 27:16
  because if they go a couple of weeks without him, is that offense, you know,
• 27:19
  kind of lose its flow and its vibe?
• 27:21
  And then you saw when Pickett went in, the play calling completely changed
• 27:25
  off straight away from carrying the ball or running the ball.
• 27:28
  And I don't know, Pickett didn't look comfortable back.
• 27:32
  No, I don't. For sure.
• 27:33
  And then he ended up Pickett ended up hurting his rib early in the fourth quarter
• 27:37
  and he finished the game, but he was getting x-rays after the game.
• 27:39
  Like, oh, great. So now who? Right.
• 27:42
  But if Pickett's OK and Jaylen's not.
• 27:45
  Do you feel differently about Pickett going into next week's game,
• 27:49
  you know, with a week of, you know, number one reps under your belt
• 27:54
  going up against the Cowboys? Oh, the Cowboys.
• 27:56
  Oh, I mean, he actually playing good football right now.
• 28:00
  Despite, you know, not making the playoffs.
• 28:03
  They're playing OK football against crappy teams. Yeah.
• 28:07
  You know, that's very true.
• 28:08
  But does that change anything for you?
• 28:10
  Do you feel any better about Pickett, like if Jaylen Hurts can't go?
• 28:13
  I mean, they still should have won that Devontae Smith dropped a first downplay
• 28:17
  with a minute left in the game.
• 28:19
  And if they catch that, that's game over.
• 28:21
  We're not even talking about the commanders winning that one.
• 28:25
  So but they did. They did.
• 28:27
  We still went in.
• 28:27
  And Daniels threw five touchdowns.
• 28:30
  Yeah, because they had the ball the whole second half
• 28:32
  because Philly can do anything with it.
• 28:34
  Seriously.
• 28:35
  But Jayden Daniels also got it done on the ground.
• 28:38
  Eighty one yards. Yeah.
• 28:39
  Don't get me wrong. He's a stud, but I still think they're a year away.
• 28:43
  OK, let me ask you this. Yeah.
• 28:44
  Oh, yeah. I think you asked me this earlier in the season, but do you like
• 28:48
  last year, CJ Stroud, or this year, Jayden Daniels better?
• 28:51
  Who's had the better? Ooh.
• 28:54
  I would go Jayden Daniels, actually. Yeah. Because I.
• 28:56
  Not including anything CJ Stroud has done this year,
• 29:01
  just looking at what he accomplished last year, or is that skewed
• 29:04
  because you're like, oh, well, that was his rookie year, too.
• 29:06
  So I'm trying to take actions to the play.
• 29:08
  Yeah, I'm trying to think who had a better roster, I guess.
• 29:11
  You know, the complimentary pieces, you know, to be almost even.
• 29:15
  Yeah. So it's probably pretty even.
• 29:17
  But I think I mean, Jayden Daniels is probably having a historical rookie year.
• 29:21
  And we just got off of C.D.
• 29:22
  Stroud's historical rookie year. So right.
• 29:25
  That's what I mean. That's a tough call.
• 29:28
  I'd flip on him. I don't want to give it to Daniels.
• 29:30
  I mean, Daniels, I think overall has just got a whole different X factor
• 29:36
  right now.
• 29:37
  Dom said he's buying a Jayden Daniels jersey.
• 29:39
  I would. But he's buying one.
• 29:41
  Yeah, I mean, I would give it to Jayden Daniels, too.
• 29:43
  I mean, he's already at 10 wins, which what CJ Stroud got last year
• 29:48
  to win the division was 10 and seven.
• 29:49
  And they were in a weak division last year. Exactly.
• 29:51
  And the AFC South doesn't even come close to the NFC East.
• 29:54
  And that's just my opinion.
• 29:55
  And Washington has Falcons this week and they got to travel to Dallas
• 29:59
  for the last game this season.
• 30:00
  Jayden's going to have to learn to play in a tough division.
• 30:03
  I mean, the Cowboys will be right there.
• 30:05
  The Eagles be right there, depending on what the Giants do
• 30:08
  with their quarterback situation.
• 30:10
  Yeah, I would give to Jayden 1000 percent.
• 30:12
  I think he's completely turned around. Completely turned.
• 30:15
  Yeah, I think he's given enough commanders confidence.
• 30:18
  And I think Cliff Kingsbury is given that whole.
• 30:20
  I think he's been a big change. Oh, for sure.
• 30:23
  I like Dan Quinn, too, but I think Kingsbury for sure.
• 30:25
  I think Kingsbury has really helped him.
• 30:27
  Molding Daniels right now.
• 30:28
  Yeah, which should be a concern for the NFC East for the foreseeable future.
• 30:33
  The original horse, QB Whisperer, the original QB Whisperer.
• 30:37
  I mean, that's what they were saying about him back in the day.
• 30:40
  That's what he was when they got when he went to Arizona with Murray that,
• 30:44
  you know, he was the QB God.
• 30:47
  And he had some good years.
• 30:49
  I mean, they started out nine and all that one year kind of had a fall off.
• 30:52
  But still, I mean, they were playing their best football for nine weeks.
• 30:56
  But what a great win, though.
• 30:57
  I mean, that all but solidifies it's it's not official yet.
• 31:01
  But I mean, they're sitting right there in that last NFC wild card spot.
• 31:05
  And I mean, there'd be have to be a lot of crazy stuff to happen.
• 31:08
  Yeah. You know, if they can win one of their last two,
• 31:10
  I believe they'd probably clinched the spot.
• 31:11
  Yeah, they just need one.
• 31:13
  Yeah, I imagine it's it's all but but rote for the commanders
• 31:17
  who would then probably potentially
• 31:20
  be going to play the Philadelphia Eagles.
• 31:22
  Yeah, that would be round one.
• 31:23
  Right. Seven plays to end at seven, which unless the Packers,
• 31:28
  while they'll lose this week.
• 31:29
  So who knows? Washington.
• 31:30
  Yeah, Washington could jump the Packers.
• 31:33
  So yeah, but the Packers might have the tiebreaker and strength of schedule.
• 31:36
  True, true. Which is not even a tiebreaker.
• 31:38
  Or do you or is it is a tiebreaker on strength of schedule or conference record?
• 31:43
  It's like way down on the list.
• 31:45
  OK, I totally made all that up.
• 31:47
  Trying to confuse me.
• 31:49
  I guess I don't really know how it works either.
• 31:51
  I think they go conference schedule for a conference record.
• 31:54
  Well, yeah, it had to have then it goes conference record.
• 31:56
  Yeah, yeah. And the Packers play the commanders as you know,
• 32:00
  take a look. Then a third, I think, is is it
• 32:04
  they did not. So the commanders would get the tiebreak, though,
• 32:06
  because the Packers do not have a great conference record. They are
• 32:11
  two and two. They're five and four in the conference.
• 32:14
  All their losses in Washington are seven and three in the conference.
• 32:17
  So I mean, more wins.
• 32:20
  Yeah, but we'll see.
• 32:21
  Yeah. The Packers win tonight and then I guess Washington loses next week.
• 32:25
  They'd be equal then. That's true. Yeah.
• 32:28
  So who knows? They could they could flip flop. Yeah, it's still, you know.
• 32:31
  But that's what they do because the Packers are going to lose in Philadelphia.
• 32:35
  Then. But anyway, we're not bi-week anyways. Right.
• 32:38
  Like when bikes went anyway, with that, let's head right into 10 talk.
• 32:42
  9-1-1, what's your emergency?
• 32:53
  And starting off with the 10 talk, of course, we got injuries.
• 32:58
  He hurt Tank Del torn ACL and dislocated kneecap.
• 33:01
  That was gross. Don't look at it. Yeah, do not.
• 33:03
  Yeah. Viewer discretion advised sent straight to the hospital.
• 33:08
  I think he was even having surgery last night.
• 33:10
  Immediately type type of deal. So not good.
• 33:16
  I just saw the picture of CJ Stroud crying in anger.
• 33:19
  I was like, I don't even need to see any more of that.
• 33:21
  Yeah, it's it's pretty bad.
• 33:23
  Jalen hurts in concussion protocol, as we talked about.
• 33:26
  Pickett injures his rib early in the fourth, but he stayed in the game.
• 33:29
  But he was seen going to the X-ray room immediately after the game.
• 33:33
  So who knows who's playing quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles this week?
• 33:38
  Chris Jarlins, Mark Wahlberg, right?
• 33:39
  Mark, yes. Yes.
• 33:41
  Call your placements.
• 33:43
  Chris Jones, DTAC for Kansas City has a strain calf used to get an MRI.
• 33:49
  I don't know the results of the MRI.
• 33:50
  I'm not his doctor, but that's a guy that changes that defense for Kansas City.
• 33:56
  So yeah, he controls as long as he's good for the playoffs.
• 33:59
  You know what I mean?
• 34:00
  Basically, if Buffalo loses one more game that seals the one seed for Kansas City.
• 34:05
  So if that happens, I would just shut them down anyway
• 34:07
  and just let them heal that calf up and get ready for that.
• 34:10
  Well, wouldn't it if the Chiefs win one more game is probably they see?
• 34:14
  Yeah. Yeah. All right.
• 34:16
  Let's see.
• 34:16
  And Patrick Mahomes did not look like he had a high ankle sprain.
• 34:19
  No, no. He played fine.
• 34:21
  He's getting it looked at again.
• 34:22
  I read today, but he'll be fine.
• 34:25
  Bears left tackle Braxton Jones.
• 34:27
  This was also a really bad one.
• 34:28
  He had a bad ankle injury.
• 34:30
  Don't look that one up either.
• 34:32
  Not not good. Done for the season.
• 34:34
  Rams tight end Tyler Higbee returned from an ACL tear.
• 34:37
  That he suffered last year's playoffs.
• 34:41
  He ends up getting a touchdown in his only reception.
• 34:44
  Hey, another weapon to help that team.
• 34:46
  Yeah. Welcome back to the show.
• 34:48
  We already mentioned Packers tight end Luke Musgrave returns tonight.
• 34:51
  So we'll see how how that goes.
• 34:53
  And then one thing I saw Josh Allen actually played through a fractured left hand.
• 34:57
  He fractured it in week one.
• 34:59
  And it wasn't really better for a number of weeks.
• 35:02
  So he was playing with a fractured hand that just kind of came out today.
• 35:05
  He kept hitting the injury report, but it just said
• 35:08
  that didn't go into detail on what it was.
• 35:10
  Turns out it was a fractured hand.
• 35:12
  So wildness.
• 35:14
  Moving along to the news here.
• 35:16
  Deontay Johnson, as we mentioned, released by officially finally
• 35:19
  released by the Ravens after they both mutually agreed to
• 35:23
  split ways for the week and then now has been released
• 35:26
  and already picked up by the Texans, obviously with Tinkdall down.
• 35:30
  They need them.
• 35:32
  Ben Johnson, Lions offensive coordinator, may have interest in the Bears.
• 35:35
  Job. Do you think that he was messing with them on that one player?
• 35:39
  That fumble player? Yeah.
• 35:42
  Yes. And then some I saw something today that the Packers did that last year.
• 35:47
  Oh, did they? But allegedly.
• 35:49
  But like to me, the Packers one looked more like legit,
• 35:53
  like Jordan Love fumbled the freaking ball and pick it up and then huck it.
• 35:57
  Like that actually looked like a real fumble to me.
• 35:59
  Not playing.
• 36:00
  But everybody's saying, oh, the Packers did it first.
• 36:03
  So I don't know. But I thought that was funny.
• 36:04
  It was pretty cool play and gives diving on the ground.
• 36:07
  Even just when I first saw that highlight, I'm like,
• 36:11
  what does he die in the ground?
• 36:13
  Well, part of why I don't see the second level,
• 36:15
  they kind of paused and go, what the heck?
• 36:17
  And that was just perfect.
• 36:19
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 36:20
  Unbelievable. Lions just having fun out there.
• 36:22
  Yeah, they are.
• 36:23
  And it's it should be concerned for the rest of the NFC.
• 36:25
  Lions absolutely a favorite to make it all the way to the Super Bowl.
• 36:29
  Brock Bowers becomes the third tight end to exceed a thousand yards.
• 36:32
  He's the first rookie tight end to hit a hundred receptions as well.
• 36:36
  So, like you said, Brock Bowers is putting his name in the record books,
• 36:40
  perhaps putting his name on AFC offensive.
• 36:43
  Georgia Bulldogs dog right there. For sure.
• 36:46
  He's been a he was doing that at Georgia.
• 36:48
  Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 36:49
  This guy's over.
• 36:50
  But now you look at a guy like Kyle Pitts in the same position,
• 36:52
  drafted high like that.
• 36:53
  You're like, what's up with him? Uh huh.
• 36:55
  Yeah. I can't catch a cold.
• 36:57
  Good point.
• 36:58
  Ravens clinch a playoff spot this week, but that division still kind of up
• 37:03
  for grabs now between the Steelers and the and the old Ravens.
• 37:09
  So the Steelers got the tiebreaker on that one.
• 37:13
  They're one and one now.
• 37:14
  They have the. Yeah, so they split it.
• 37:15
  Yeah, they split.
• 37:16
  Do they go by how many points scored in that like the point differential?
• 37:19
  No games on. No, no.
• 37:21
  The third thing. No, it doesn't go straight to conference.
• 37:24
  Hey, man. Hey, well, not at the world.
• 37:26
  Well, I guess for the division, it lead it would go by division record.
• 37:30
  Yeah, that's me. The first time.
• 37:31
  So and they're both three and two. So I don't know.
• 37:34
  Well, then I think it goes then it goes to conference.
• 37:36
  So then at the moment, Pittsburgh does have it.
• 37:39
  Yeah. So that's probably why.
• 37:40
  By one game. So again, that could change.
• 37:42
  Yeah. But they open that door up by not winning in Baltimore.
• 37:45
  So anyway, let them ride.
• 37:48
  And just let them ride.
• 37:49
  Pennex ended up getting the start over Kirk Cousins.
• 37:52
  Kirk O'Chain. He looked OK, actually, you know, and I'll give Michael
• 37:55
  Pennex an OK grade.
• 37:57
  What's it? Yeah. What is the grade that he did?
• 37:59
  Well, that pick was not on him.
• 38:01
  It was it was actually a drop that bounced up in the air.
• 38:05
  So he was played very conservative.
• 38:09
  They all know he had a lot of throws in the middle of the field.
• 38:12
  That's where he was really accurate.
• 38:13
  I think he was like 11 out of 11 in the middle of the field.
• 38:15
  And then he won like four for eight on the outside.
• 38:19
  He didn't really push the ball down the field.
• 38:21
  But also, I don't think they have to.
• 38:23
  They don't really have a receiver that pushes the ball.
• 38:25
  You know, Drake London's not a speedster.
• 38:28
  Darnell Mooney, not really.
• 38:29
  He was for the he was he was the he was going to be more.
• 38:32
  But when he was there, but they don't feel like they really use them that way.
• 38:36
  Bichon looks nice.
• 38:38
  I love Bichon.
• 38:40
  He's a huge part of their offense.
• 38:42
  I think this was a perfect game to get Pennex in.
• 38:45
  I guess. And where's Team the League?
• 38:47
  This is kind of a perfect kind of.
• 38:48
  But some argue that's a perfect game to to keep Kirk in there.
• 38:52
  Or were you just over Kirk at that?
• 38:54
  Last week was a perfect game to keep Kirk in there.
• 38:56
  And it's the bigger.
• 38:57
  True. Raiders. Yeah.
• 38:58
  A point. Great point.
• 39:00
  Yeah. And he's doing it.
• 39:02
  And only scored 15 points.
• 39:04
  So I think that I think that torn Achilles is doing a lot more damage than we think.
• 39:09
  I think so, too. Yeah.
• 39:11
  He doesn't look like the same in the pocket.
• 39:12
  Even I remember talking week one.
• 39:15
  Remember when they had zero play action?
• 39:17
  So when Matt was just breaking it down heavy for us with Achilles.
• 39:21
  Yeah, for sure.
• 39:22
  He just. Yeah.
• 39:23
  Different team. But fire up.
• 39:24
  Congratulations, Pennex. Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:27
  Yeah. Good luck, Pennex.
• 39:29
  With that kept, let's head right into Bonehead move of the week.
• 39:44
  And of course, Bonehead move of the week,
• 39:46
  not a lot necessarily transpired this week, as far as I know, I guess.
• 39:52
  I don't know.
• 39:53
  But the big thing that I did notice that I don't know.
• 39:57
  I'm 50 50 on it.
• 39:59
  Arizona Cardinals losing this week.
• 40:01
  So out of playoff contention.
• 40:04
  Yeah. Trey McBride is coming off the field.
• 40:07
  And obviously, you know, people are recording with their phones or whatever.
• 40:10
  I don't know if this is a phone.
• 40:11
  I don't know if this is a reporter or what.
• 40:13
  But Trey McBride walks by and he's just voicing his frustration
• 40:17
  and out in the open saying how the Cardinals are a sorry, a f'ing team.
• 40:25
  So this Trey McBride, like I get it, right?
• 40:30
  You just missed the playoffs and they lost to Carolina. I mean.
• 40:35
  You just frustrated.
• 40:36
  You lost Carolina. You frustrated.
• 40:37
  You're out of the playoffs.
• 40:38
  Is it all the above?
• 40:40
  Are you frustrated that you don't have a freaking touchdown this season?
• 40:43
  No, not in any way.
• 40:45
  He doesn't. So well, you I mean, like any receiver that plays with the type
• 40:50
  of quarterback that likes to linger in the pocket for a while.
• 40:54
  You run a perfect route and you're wide open and you don't get the ball.
• 40:58
  That can get very frustrating after a while.
• 41:00
  And then you start running that route less harder, not as precise
• 41:03
  because you're like, I'm not getting the ball, you know.
• 41:06
  That's why I'm 50 50 on it being bonehead, right?
• 41:08
  Like the bonehead part is vocalizing that where cameras are running
• 41:12
  and everybody can capture everything you say and then run with it like we are.
• 41:16
  Where the media? Yeah. Look at us.
• 41:18
  But no, seriously, that's the bonehead part.
• 41:21
  Now I can understand the frustrating part.
• 41:23
  You know what I mean? And, you know, Cardinals have been trying to get up, get up.
• 41:27
  And this was a great year to maybe potentially even have an opportunity
• 41:31
  to win the division.
• 41:32
  And they just let it slip out of their hands.
• 41:33
  They're in the division lead when they were six and four, I think.
• 41:36
  Yeah, they were six or four.
• 41:37
  I mean, they drafted the top ten last year, so that was the type of that
• 41:40
  was the type of team they had going into it.
• 41:43
  So I think that technically they probably almost exceeded
• 41:45
  my expectations of how they were going to do this year.
• 41:48
  But do you think this is this is it for Trey McBride?
• 41:51
  Is he too frustrated right now with Arizona or is this just end of season
• 41:55
  frustration and don't read into it?
• 41:57
  I think he just lost the playoff.
• 41:59
  You know, they're kicked off the playoff game and he was pissed.
• 42:02
  Yeah. And I mean, Carolina hasn't laid down
• 42:06
  no any means against any team.
• 42:07
  They've been they may be playing their best football.
• 42:10
  Rice, Rice, Young.
• 42:11
  Yeah, the guy is what happened.
• 42:13
  So maybe that's what they're trying to do with Kirk.
• 42:15
  They're back to him and then he comes back like that.
• 42:17
  I think Dave Canales has had a slow start with Carolina
• 42:22
  and he's finally finding his footing with Bryce and that Carolina team.
• 42:27
  And I think they're starting to play with some confidence
• 42:30
  and really liking Brian as their head coach.
• 42:32
  Yeah, I think Arizona ran into buzzsaw this week.
• 42:35
  Yeah, they did.
• 42:36
  No, they did. Don't get me wrong.
• 42:37
  But Trey, I think I think this is league wide now.
• 42:41
  He's tied for seventh in the league for receptions at ninety two
• 42:46
  17th at yards, nine fifty eight.
• 42:48
  But then, yeah, that big fat zero in the touchdown department.
• 42:52
  I mean, is that a factor for you?
• 42:54
  Like if he were to leave, I'd imagine
• 42:57
  31 other teams would be interested in bringing them on. Oh, yeah.
• 43:00
  But or is that touchdown thing a factor for you?
• 43:03
  Or is it just a you know, Kyler's just not looking his way.
• 43:06
  And I don't think Kyler's a very good quarterback in the red zone.
• 43:11
  No disrespect in general. I just
• 43:14
  they kind of ran on they ran heavily on the run game
• 43:17
  this year, James Connor and drafting Trey Benson, which they should have.
• 43:21
  Yeah, completely the right choice.
• 43:23
  It's been injured all year long.
• 43:24
  But I mean, it's not injured.
• 43:25
  Inefficiency in the red zone.
• 43:27
  To be fair, Trey Trey McBride only had three touchdowns last year
• 43:30
  and one the year before, too.
• 43:31
  So it's not like it's not like he's a touchdown machine. No.
• 43:34
  So maybe he's bad in the red zone.
• 43:36
  With the combination of Kyler not being the best.
• 43:39
  I trust my eyes. Red zone.
• 43:41
  Exactly. Process, you know, that I could see because Kyler like scrambling around.
• 43:45
  He does. You know, how many some of his greatest plays
• 43:48
  has usually been in the red zone where he's just extended the play forever
• 43:51
  and then found a guy, you know.
• 43:53
  I really feel like he's not going anywhere.
• 43:55
  They're not going to move a guy like that.
• 43:57
  I totally expect Trey McBride to be
• 43:59
  I think there's on the Cardinals next year.
• 44:01
  Hopefully him and Kyler can maybe get together this off season, though. Yeah.
• 44:05
  Let's play a little card. That's right.
• 44:08
  Yeah. There you go.
• 44:09
  Play a little card.
• 44:10
  Yeah, I expect Jonathan Gannon to sit down with them and say, hey,
• 44:14
  your third year guy, you are our first overall pick.
• 44:17
  Not that long ago. We need you to be a leader.
• 44:20
  Just something to that avail.
• 44:23
  Yeah. Yeah. I feel you.
• 44:26
  With that, Kev, let's head right to our week 17 preview and picks.
• 44:38
  And to start off our preview and picks, first off, little update.
• 44:43
  Packers are up right now. Seven, nothing.
• 44:45
  But by the time you listen to this, the Packers would probably have won.
• 44:48
  So I don't know why I just did that or loss.
• 44:49
  So or loss. That would be great for us. Might as well.
• 44:53
  I don't even I'm one in three on my picks this week.
• 44:55
  You want to lose just because for your picks or just because they're the packers.
• 44:58
  I wanted them to win for my picks because I went one in three this week.
• 45:01
  But like looking at the Vikings bigger picture, we need them to lose. Yeah.
• 45:05
  So do we really need them to lose?
• 45:07
  Well, we're going to beat them next week. So it's not.
• 45:09
  Yes. But it would be nice for them to lose.
• 45:12
  But anyway, just quick crush all their hopes.
• 45:15
  I get it. Yeah, correct.
• 45:16
  They've crushed ours before. Yeah.
• 45:19
  And we why you have to rip that bandaid off.
• 45:21
  I know. I know. Sorry. I know.
• 45:24
  I'm here for you next week, too.
• 45:27
  Yeah. Just real quick.
• 45:29
  I'm not going to update much because again, that game's going on.
• 45:33
  So I don't have a full update for you.
• 45:35
  But at the moment, there is one to take our five, six, seven people.
• 45:40
  They went three and one last week.
• 45:42
  And if the Packers win, everybody picked the Packers for us.
• 45:45
  So if the Packers win, we're going to have seven foreign ones this week.
• 45:48
  Oh, I will not be one of them.
• 45:50
  No, Rob and I are both one and three at the moment.
• 45:53
  Until we figure out the outcome of the Packer game.
• 45:56
  So the best we can do is two and three.
• 45:58
  I know. Awesome.
• 45:59
  And here we are thinking we're
• 46:02
  we're going to fall down that leaderboard.
• 46:04
  But anyway, anyway, Jake and Matt both went to and to at the moment.
• 46:09
  Dom also in that two and two mark.
• 46:10
  And so is D'Angelo.
• 46:13
  Yeah, we don't even need to put that up, Kevin.
• 46:15
  It's not even that's not even completed.
• 46:17
  My guy, that's from last week.
• 46:20
  Right. We're in week 17.
• 46:21
  Oh, yeah. But still, that the leaderboard on the right is not correct.
• 46:25
  So I didn't.
• 46:26
  That's not ideal to have that up right now.
• 46:28
  I think our fans at home, they have enough time.
• 46:30
  They get the calculator.
• 46:31
  Oh, yeah. No, not even worth looking at.
• 46:34
  You know, we'll have a good update for you on our leaderboard next week.
• 46:38
  If I had to take a shot in the dark, it is probably still Dan.
• 46:44
  Actually, it will still be Dan since Jake went to and to.
• 46:47
  Tyler went three and one, but Dan also in three and one at the moment.
• 46:51
  So Dan is probably still going to be our leader next week.
• 46:55
  Let's go. Scorable. Right. Yeah.
• 46:58
  School. So with that, our first game of the week is a doozy.
• 47:02
  Packers at the Vikings.
• 47:04
  I'm going Vikings. I've already said that all all day.
• 47:06
  So I don't need to explain anyway.
• 47:10
  Are you going to go to this game? No, no, no.
• 47:13
  That's going to be money.
• 47:15
  Oh, yeah. And Detroit, the Detroit tickets right now are crazy.
• 47:19
  In Detroit. My birth.
• 47:21
  No, that's here, isn't it?
• 47:22
  No, no, that's right. They beat us here.
• 47:24
  Yeah, I must be thinking about this game, the Packer game.
• 47:27
  I mean, this path, I mean, this usually always probably the biggest
• 47:30
  selling ticket when I had in Minnesota.
• 47:32
  Yeah. Season ticket holder.
• 47:34
  This is the one game I'd always sell because you get five games worth.
• 47:38
  You know, because the Packers, you know, we're so close.
• 47:40
  I think we're 400 miles away from Green Bay.
• 47:43
  So stay in the field. We travel.
• 47:45
  They travel pretty well.
• 47:46
  And actually, I saw some kind of messed up.
• 47:48
  So this game got flexed and I saw something from a pack hole.
• 47:51
  I'll tell you guys what these tickets are.
• 47:54
  We have flex to the three o'clock.
• 47:55
  They got flexed to the game.
• 47:57
  So there's Packer fans right that had already booked their flight.
• 48:00
  Oh, you know what I mean?
• 48:01
  We don't care about that.
• 48:02
  I know, but it is kind of bogus.
• 48:04
  It's kind of bogus.
• 48:06
  But if you but if you are flying right and you plan on leaving after the game,
• 48:09
  well, now the game starting when your flight's supposed to take off.
• 48:11
  That's kind of annoying. Oh, right.
• 48:13
  You know, I will give a couple of Packer fans
• 48:16
  are flying into that game, the benefit out there.
• 48:19
  Rob doesn't care about you.
• 48:20
  I do not care about you at all.
• 48:22
  Especially when it's Packers.
• 48:24
  Anyway, at the moment, those tickets for the cheap seats like Nosebleeds, 475.
• 48:28
  Oh, we may know.
• 48:30
  It used to just be the without the four at the beginning.
• 48:35
  Yes. Right.
• 48:37
  Regular season game is about 70 60 to 75 up there.
• 48:40
  But yeah, we're talking 475.
• 48:43
  Yeah. So it'll be warm up there.
• 48:45
  It won't be outside. So yeah, it will.
• 48:47
  So my Rob, who are you going?
• 48:49
  Oh, I got Vikings all day long in this game.
• 48:54
  Yeah, I think it's always a visual game.
• 48:57
  So I think it's I'm not going to say we're going to blow them out at any point.
• 49:00
  No, absolutely not.
• 49:01
  Packers are playing really good ball right now.
• 49:03
  Their offense is, you know, looking really well.
• 49:06
  I think Jordan Love is fully healthy from that groin probably five weeks ago.
• 49:10
  I would agree.
• 49:10
  He's definitely stepping into a lot of throws.
• 49:12
  Even though he has that kind of that fadeaway.
• 49:16
  Aaron Rodgers, look, I feel like he got that from Aaron Rodgers.
• 49:19
  He probably did.
• 49:22
  So I think it's a good competitive game, but I think it's to be at home.
• 49:25
  The crowds are me rocking, you know, so our 12th man or
• 49:29
  we need to come up with a cool name for that.
• 49:32
  Our version of the marketing team, we need you.
• 49:35
  We need something, something new.
• 49:39
  I mean, you got the Norse Village.
• 49:40
  No, yeah.
• 49:41
  I mean, the school.
• 49:43
  I don't know.
• 49:44
  But yeah, I think, you know, both teams are coming in healthy.
• 49:46
  And I think it's just going to be a good old battle.
• 49:50
  It's going to be a battle.
• 49:51
  And I love it.
• 49:53
  Good old battle. Dan, who we got.
• 49:54
  Maybe we'll go live. I got the Vikings.
• 49:56
  No, it's going to make me a little nervous, though, because Packers are a good team.
• 50:01
  Plus, we're going into Detroit next week.
• 50:03
  So do you go all out for this game?
• 50:06
  Try to win this game and then maybe get beat up going to Detroit, to Detroit.
• 50:10
  And then I even pace his back.
• 50:13
  That's I think that's going to he's going to be the difference maker against the run.
• 50:17
  I'm just concerned because it's two really tough games in a row.
• 50:21
  I know it helps.
• 50:22
  Three. Yeah, hopefully.
• 50:25
  I do think we get this done, but it's going to be a very close game.
• 50:28
  I think we have to turn over J.
• 50:30
  Love a few times in order to get it done, which we're very capable of doing.
• 50:33
  So give me the Vikes.
• 50:35
  Give you the Vikes.
• 50:36
  We got Vikes across the board for most that have got me.
• 50:40
  Even the Packers fans.
• 50:42
  No, I was getting to them.
• 50:43
  Those clowns.
• 50:44
  Tyler and Ben are in house Packer fans went with the Packers.
• 50:47
  And so did D'Angelo.
• 50:50
  Oh, the Lions fan.
• 50:52
  Unbelievable. What a joke.
• 50:55
  He just wants the next week game to not matter.
• 50:57
  That's right. Correct.
• 50:59
  That's why I told him I was like, oh, OK, so you got to take the Packers this week
• 51:01
  so you can take the Vikes next week.
• 51:03
  Yeah. He sent me a gift and all this.
• 51:05
  And he's like, you know, that's not happening and blah, blah, blah.
• 51:08
  So he's a big Vikings fan out of heart.
• 51:10
  We know. I think he is.
• 51:11
  So, yeah. Anyway, next game.
• 51:13
  Chiefs at Steelers.
• 51:15
  Chiefs could lock up the one seed.
• 51:17
  Steelers could keep trying to win that division this week with a win.
• 51:24
  Oh, no. Yeah, I started last.
• 51:26
  He did. I'm going Chiefs.
• 51:28
  I'll start it off. Go for it.
• 51:29
  Pickens doesn't play.
• 51:30
  I definitely don't think the Steelers are going to be able to keep up with them
• 51:33
  after watching them last week without a deep threat.
• 51:35
  I know their their defense will keep them.
• 51:37
  They have Fitzpatrick is flying over the field.
• 51:40
  T.J. Watt is looking nice and stuff like that.
• 51:43
  So I don't know if they'll give enough problems to the Chiefs.
• 51:48
  Yeah. And we don't know yet about Pickens.
• 51:49
  He said, quote, I hope so.
• 51:51
  And it depends on how I feel.
• 51:53
  And that's from like a Steelers fan page.
• 51:54
  And we have Hollywood Brown.
• 51:56
  Is he going to be back for this game?
• 51:59
  I thought he played last. Good question.
• 52:01
  Well, I know even like this fully, you know, like running full
• 52:04
  reps in NFL shape a little bit.
• 52:05
  No, last week would have been his first game.
• 52:07
  Let me. OK.
• 52:09
  Yeah, he did. Yeah.
• 52:10
  He had five receptions for 45 yards.
• 52:12
  Oh, yeah. So another week of him.
• 52:14
  I think that's what I think he's going to be the X factor of this game.
• 52:16
  I'm just going to go out on the limb and say that.
• 52:18
  Fair enough. I like that.
• 52:20
  Dan, what we got.
• 52:22
  Oh, but he's gone chief so far.
• 52:23
  I'm going to be the odd man out and go Steelers.
• 52:25
  There we go. I don't know why.
• 52:27
  I just feel like this is just going to be like a weird game,
• 52:30
  especially for like people that aren't chief fans.
• 52:33
  You're like, you know, this doesn't really feel like chiefs playing chiefs football.
• 52:37
  OK. I really think the Steelers are going to have a good game plan
• 52:41
  to kind of contain Mahomes.
• 52:44
  I think the safety play has a lot to do with how Mahomes does.
• 52:47
  And I think Fitzpatrick is as good as there is.
• 52:50
  I would have dreaded that.
• 52:53
  I think Mike Tomlin will have a really good game plan.
• 52:55
  And I think they have a sour taste in their mouth from getting beat 17
• 52:59
  by the Ravens. Last week.
• 53:01
  I really, I really change my pick now.
• 53:04
  I want to go to the great Daniel over here.
• 53:08
  I think this is I think this is going to be a more
• 53:11
  off game for the chiefs than it is going to be a good game for the Steelers.
• 53:15
  If that makes sense.
• 53:16
  So I can't Steelers give you the Steelers. Yeah.
• 53:20
  All right. I'm on that train.
• 53:22
  I'm on that train. I do hope George Pickens plays.
• 53:24
  But right now, it's seriously 50 50 up in the air right now.
• 53:28
  He's going to play. I agree with you.
• 53:29
  I think they need that that downfield threat.
• 53:31
  And he's the big they have something.
• 53:34
  The only one they have. So.
• 53:37
  But I don't know.
• 53:39
  The chiefs have been so sus all year, somehow.
• 53:42
  Yeah. And one. Yeah.
• 53:44
  And they're on their battle tested.
• 53:45
  The chiefs are going to make a deep playoff run. We know that.
• 53:49
  I just I just yeah.
• 53:50
  I when I when I chose this lineup of games, I already planned on
• 53:54
  probably going Steelers because I knew a lot of people wouldn't anyway.
• 53:58
  And I kind of need to climb up that.
• 53:59
  You know, the first leaderboard. Yeah.
• 54:02
  Turing to that. But yeah, I think Chris Jones would be a big miss
• 54:08
  if he if he doesn't play for them. True.
• 54:11
  That's probably almost the other aspect.
• 54:13
  What are you Steelers if he doesn't play?
• 54:15
  If that's also up in the air at the moment, let me just see here.
• 54:19
  Since it's my pick, you know, let me see what we got for Chris.
• 54:23
  Now you got to do a little.
• 54:24
  Don't worry. We'll wait.
• 54:25
  Yeah. Why don't you guys just wait a minute?
• 54:29
  Chris Jones, D.J. Humphreys as out of practice again today.
• 54:33
  D.J. Humphreys also out of practice.
• 54:35
  But either way, it doesn't change what I'm doing.
• 54:37
  Steelers going to get the dub. Cool.
• 54:40
  Steelers getting the dub Ravens at Texans.
• 54:44
  Also, the only other person to take the Steelers
• 54:46
  are other season leader Tyler.
• 54:49
  So interesting.
• 54:51
  Do you need to change your pick, Rob?
• 54:52
  No, I'm going to stick to my guns. I'm going to stick to my guns. All right.
• 54:55
  All right. All right.
• 54:56
  Ravens at Texans.
• 54:58
  Ravens coming off that great win Texans right now.
• 55:03
  Where? Let me just pull this up. I had it here.
• 55:07
  Do do do.
• 55:08
  Let me just pull up the old the old state playoff standings here.
• 55:11
  This should be a really fun game.
• 55:12
  I really want to see this Texan defense against the Ravens. Yeah.
• 55:16
  This should be a fun game.
• 55:17
  And that's exactly why I'm going to go with the Texans again.
• 55:19
  Baltimore feel themselves a little bit, but this plays into the bit
• 55:22
  of the Steelers are going to win this week.
• 55:23
  Baltimore is going to lose.
• 55:24
  Steelers will end up winning the division.
• 55:26
  But it might have been in, but that that offense for Baltimore
• 55:30
  is just potent and it's scary. But I agree with you.
• 55:32
  I mean, that the pass rush, if they can at least stop the run
• 55:36
  and force the Ravens to have to start passing the ball, which we thought
• 55:39
  the Steelers needed to do last week, which they didn't.
• 55:42
  Yeah. Right.
• 55:42
  But so I think Texans will have a better time at that.
• 55:45
  I like the Texans defense a little bit more than the Steelers.
• 55:49
  It's not by a lot.
• 55:50
  I think the Texans defense is a lot less experienced, I guess, in a way.
• 55:54
  But I don't know.
• 55:56
  They're just more scary to me.
• 55:57
  And now Tank Dell on the offensive side, losing him is a big loss.
• 56:01
  But I think Joe Mixon is healthy.
• 56:05
  Let me make sure.
• 56:06
  Well, I mean, he played last week, but he hasn't had it really.
• 56:10
  Last couple of weeks, he's kind of been in Baltimore shut down.
• 56:13
  Yeah, Steelers run. So
• 56:16
  we have kind of Warren would get a get a couple here and there.
• 56:19
  But Steelers, have they really been running the ball really, really well?
• 56:22
  You know, I wouldn't say they're in the middle of the pack style more statistically.
• 56:27
  I mean, is it either of them had over a hundred?
• 56:29
  Maybe they'd be over that hump if Fields was still in.
• 56:32
  But no, not. Yeah.
• 56:33
  And the Russians aspect.
• 56:35
  But if the Texans are going to be this this perennial
• 56:37
  playoff team with CJ Stroud and building this defense up,
• 56:41
  this is a game they got to win.
• 56:42
  This is a game you have to show. Oh, yeah, I agree.
• 56:44
  You know, not just the league, but yourselves, you know, that you belong.
• 56:47
  That exactly. Yes, that you belong.
• 56:50
  This is where you belong.
• 56:52
  It is. It's like a playoff game.
• 56:54
  Like I say, like the Vikings playoff started last week.
• 56:56
  Seattle Packers, Lions.
• 56:58
  And then we go into the playoffs.
• 57:00
  Yeah. So and those are all probably playoff teams.
• 57:03
  So like this is literally probably the Texans like, hey, do we belong?
• 57:08
  And you know, are we a contender in this division?
• 57:11
  So I'm the only one to take the sections, by the way.
• 57:14
  Oh, yeah, I'm going to join you, though, because I think the Texans at home,
• 57:17
  this is a game they need to win, you know,
• 57:20
  even though secretly I probably think the Ravens are going to win.
• 57:22
  But I'm going to pick the Texans.
• 57:24
  Hey, we need to move up the leaderboard.
• 57:26
  Yeah, I think I'm on the doesn't matter.
• 57:29
  Yeah, me too.
• 57:30
  Well, I'm going to be middle of the pack the rest of the year.
• 57:32
  Me too. Dan, what we got?
• 57:33
  I'm going to go to the Ravens.
• 57:35
  I think the win over the Steelers was a statement.
• 57:39
  Statement statement.
• 57:41
  Yeah, I just think they're too much for the Texans.
• 57:44
  Not to say that the Texans aren't a bad team.
• 57:46
  They're just they're just in a crappy division in the AFC.
• 57:51
  I do think they win that division or they are.
• 57:54
  They've already clinched the division.
• 57:55
  But I just think the Ravens are just too much.
• 57:59
  I'm a right now.
• 58:00
  I'm going to pick Daniel's great football mind here.
• 58:03
  How would you rank the top three and AFC teams?
• 58:07
  Bills, Chiefs, Ravens.
• 58:11
  I would go Chiefs number one.
• 58:13
  Bills number two and then Ravens number three,
• 58:19
  probably because the diversity of Josh Allen versus Lamar.
• 58:24
  I think Josh can throw and run.
• 58:28
  And I think the Chiefs are capable of shutting down
• 58:31
  either one of the Bills or the Ravens past game or running game.
• 58:36
  So yeah, I just think the Bills are just a little bit better
• 58:41
  than the Ravens in that aspect.
• 58:43
  All right, Bandra, the boys fans, if you're listening that best
• 58:47
  picker of the week, you're going to Vegas this week.
• 58:49
  Yeah, yeah. He's our leader. So yeah.
• 58:52
  I think I'd have to swap the Bills and Chiefs around.
• 58:55
  Oh, you think Bills are number one? OK.
• 58:58
  Chiefs could very well get it and get the first round by.
• 59:00
  I mean, I don't want to see the Bills if it was if it came to regular season.
• 59:04
  But in the postseason, I think the Chiefs are well true.
• 59:08
  I'm going Chiefs, Ravens, Bills.
• 59:10
  I'm all putting Bills three. I know for some reason I don't believe
• 59:14
  I know Josh Allen's there and I think he's the X factor
• 59:17
  that even puts him that top three in the playoffs since that first matchup
• 59:21
  between him and Mahomes, which was crazy.
• 59:23
  I know, but since then, you know, I feel like once the winner hits,
• 59:27
  it's just a little bit different.
• 59:29
  And that ball gets a little bit colder.
• 59:32
  And if James Cooks doesn't establish the running game,
• 59:36
  I think the Bills are not a team to really. Yeah.
• 59:38
  You know, like so. But unless I agree with you,
• 59:42
  because once they got rid of Diggs, they really kind of leaned on James Cook
• 59:47
  and kind of went to that running game and it worked.
• 59:49
  And it has been working considering all the points to been scoring.
• 59:52
  But they can't lean on that and then look out because
• 59:56
  could either of you name the Bills top receiver right now?
• 1:00:00
  It's going to be a receiver. I think it's I think.
• 1:00:03
  I don't know who is like you're saying who's leading in the reception
• 1:00:05
  or yards or something.
• 1:00:06
  Kade, you know, he was out for like three, four weeks.
• 1:00:09
  Is it Keon? And I had a fantasy.
• 1:00:10
  So like I like I think it's like to spread around like Shakir.
• 1:00:15
  Yeah. Oh, man.
• 1:00:16
  Like that Johnson, that running backs have a nice couple of weeks.
• 1:00:22
  Jari Trey.
• 1:00:25
  There are 25.
• 1:00:26
  Shakir is actually leading.
• 1:00:27
  Oh, yeah. He's leading yards. Shakir is leading in yards.
• 1:00:31
  You know, he's also leading in receptions by 30 plus.
• 1:00:34
  So Shakir is a kid.
• 1:00:37
  Yeah. King Kate is.
• 1:00:39
  But how many touchdowns Shakir have for poor to
• 1:00:43
  get Collins has five.
• 1:00:45
  But he had that crazy game.
• 1:00:46
  And then Ty Johnson, the running back, has three receiving touchdowns.
• 1:00:49
  He's tied for third for receiving touchdowns on the team with with.
• 1:00:53
  So you take away digs the X Factor, you know, that number one receiver
• 1:00:57
  type of guy. But this is kind of the thing Josh Allen can do.
• 1:01:00
  You know, you can kind of surround him with a little bit
• 1:01:03
  than above mediocre talent.
• 1:01:05
  No disrespect to any of the Bills offensive players.
• 1:01:08
  But that's what Josh Allen is capable of doing.
• 1:01:10
  They're going to really use some hate mail.
• 1:01:12
  Elevating is elevating the play of those guys because he's just that good.
• 1:01:16
  I think so. Hey, you're the league leader.
• 1:01:19
  I'm going with whatever you say right now.
• 1:01:21
  OK. All right.
• 1:01:23
  I mean, it's pretty much what they're doing with my homes.
• 1:01:25
  I mean, he's got D hop now.
• 1:01:28
  But before then, it was just not crap receivers.
• 1:01:33
  But nobody you could really name
• 1:01:36
  and my home's play just elevates them.
• 1:01:39
  You know, for sure, for sure.
• 1:01:42
  Next game, Broncos at Bengals, Bengals, Bengals.
• 1:01:46
  They are hot right now.
• 1:01:48
  Joey Burrows on point right now.
• 1:01:51
  Yeah, I think was bad last week, but it was.
• 1:01:53
  But also the diving throw into the end zone for a touchdown was pretty sweet, too.
• 1:01:58
  So pick one or the other.
• 1:02:00
  I think the Bengals are just they're on fire right now.
• 1:02:04
  And the Broncos.
• 1:02:07
  I think defensively, they're better than offensively,
• 1:02:09
  and I don't think their defense is going to be able to contain the Bengals all day long.
• 1:02:12
  Are the Broncos a first round exit if they make the playoffs? Yes.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah, you feel the same?
• 1:02:18
  Yeah, I mean, yeah, especially with bone next.
• 1:02:21
  I mean, they're going to be playing on the road,
• 1:02:23
  so that's kind of tough for Ricky quarterback to go in and be on a road atmosphere.
• 1:02:28
  Unless the matchup's perfect for him.
• 1:02:30
  I mean, exactly.
• 1:02:32
  Probably against the Chiefs would be their best matchup
• 1:02:35
  because they're so familiar with. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah, you know, very true, because they they should have beat him earlier this year.
• 1:02:40
  They had that blocked field goal.
• 1:02:41
  Yeah. Yeah. So who you who you got, Dan Bengals or?
• 1:02:46
  I'm going to go Broncos.
• 1:02:49
  Yeah, I'm going to go Broncos.
• 1:02:50
  This is going to be a very high scoring affair.
• 1:02:52
  Just like as we call a lot of Bengals games have been have been very high scoring games.
• 1:02:59
  I think the Broncos defense at the end will get it done.
• 1:03:03
  I think they're going to get torched right away, like you said, Rob.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah. But I think Bonito.
• 1:03:10
  He's so good. So good.
• 1:03:12
  I think he's going to get the Joe a few times towards the end of the game
• 1:03:14
  and give the Broncos the win.
• 1:03:17
  It's going to be like a thirty three to thirty game.
• 1:03:19
  Thirty three to thirty. I do. Yeah. All right.
• 1:03:22
  Yeah. Let's see.
• 1:03:25
  Can I change my pick?
• 1:03:26
  I'm I'm also going Broncos.
• 1:03:29
  You're going Broncos, too.
• 1:03:30
  I am really trying to make up some ground.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah, you're right.
• 1:03:35
  Matt Graham, Trey.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah, Dan, we know all the Broncos.
• 1:03:39
  Everybody else has gotten Bengals at the moment.
• 1:03:41
  But yeah, I just I don't know.
• 1:03:43
  I'm kind of riding the bone next train.
• 1:03:45
  I think he's been after the law, you know, consistent enough.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah, even after the loss.
• 1:03:51
  I mean, they're prepping for the playoffs. The Bengals are not.
• 1:03:54
  I mean, the Bengals are not.
• 1:03:55
  They're technically eliminated.
• 1:03:58
  But this win over the Broncos would put them within a game.
• 1:04:02
  And then the Broncos finish up with the Chiefs, which is tough.
• 1:04:06
  But are the Chiefs going to be playing anybody?
• 1:04:08
  Yeah, true. Once they get that is true.
• 1:04:10
  You know, so I don't know.
• 1:04:12
  You know what I mean? So then right now, the Broncos are in that last spot
• 1:04:15
  right behind them.
• 1:04:17
  Colts at seven and eight Broncos are nine and six dolphins at seven
• 1:04:20
  and eight. And then the Bengals at seven and eight.
• 1:04:22
  The Bengals are the last, you know, still team still in the race.
• 1:04:26
  But the Bengals must have the tiebreaker over the Broncos
• 1:04:29
  if they're still eligible.
• 1:04:31
  Because they only can tie the record, right?
• 1:04:35
  I mean, right. Yeah, correct.
• 1:04:36
  So they have the tiebreaker then if they're still eligible. Sure.
• 1:04:40
  I just don't think the Bengals are going to.
• 1:04:42
  I mean, even if they win this week, I don't think the Bengals make the playoffs.
• 1:04:46
  Playoffs, playoffs.
• 1:04:48
  Mm hmm. Did the Dolphins win this?
• 1:04:50
  I want the way they did.
• 1:04:51
  Yes, but I mean, the Dolphins are right there to Colts one big this week.
• 1:04:54
  But I can't remember who they played the title.
• 1:04:56
  They almost came back.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah. Well, yeah, they were up big, excuse me.
• 1:05:00
  Against the non Will Levis.
• 1:05:03
  It was a Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer playing quarterback there.
• 1:05:07
  And he was playing well, too.
• 1:05:10
  Old Mason Mason Falcons at commanders.
• 1:05:13
  Let me just make sure I'm reading this correctly.
• 1:05:16
  That is correct.
• 1:05:17
  Nobody is taking the Falcons in Washington,
• 1:05:20
  where the commanders had just beat Philly on a great end of the game play.
• 1:05:26
  That's why I'm going with the Falcons.
• 1:05:29
  And Michael Penick's. Wow.
• 1:05:32
  Oh, my goodness.
• 1:05:33
  Taking a taking a chance here.
• 1:05:35
  I think the commanders are going to kind of come off this really, really high high,
• 1:05:39
  which is which is fine.
• 1:05:41
  The commander is going to make the playoffs, most likely,
• 1:05:45
  even if they lose this game, I still see the commanders making the playoffs,
• 1:05:49
  probably being that last team. But
• 1:05:53
  it's I don't know, Michael
• 1:05:55
  Penick's Michael Penick's and Bichon going to get it done.
• 1:05:59
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:06:00
  Daniel, I want to go so I can steal his pick.
• 1:06:02
  So I'm going to go commanders.
• 1:06:05
  This is going to be too much for Michael.
• 1:06:08
  Probably. I mean, he faces fans are excited.
• 1:06:10
  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:11
  He faced the worst team in the league and is coming back and facing a playoff team.
• 1:06:16
  It's going to be too much for him.
• 1:06:18
  I don't think the commanders have a great defense by any means,
• 1:06:22
  but I know Marshawn Latimore is going to be playing.
• 1:06:26
  So that's going to kind of seal down some of his weapons
• 1:06:30
  in the passing game.
• 1:06:32
  I know John's going to go for 120.
• 1:06:34
  I yeah, I know Penick's is a lot of weapons, but, you know, like I said,
• 1:06:38
  it's going to be too much. It's going to be in Washington.
• 1:06:42
  Commanders are feeling themselves.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah. Dang. Too big.
• 1:06:46
  I'm playing. I know.
• 1:06:48
  Washington, too. He's got to feel some type of way about that.
• 1:06:50
  Yeah. He was never true. He does.
• 1:06:52
  Yeah. If Kurt was playing, I'd actually go with the Falcons, but
• 1:06:58
  I know what I'm still going to falcon.
• 1:07:00
  I don't know.
• 1:07:01
  We're both going one and three next week or one and four.
• 1:07:03
  That's fine. It's like every other week.
• 1:07:05
  Yeah. But I just I think this side is going to
• 1:07:08
  I mean, they'll still think it's going to be a really good game.
• 1:07:10
  I think the Falcons can still run the ball on Washington.
• 1:07:13
  Washington, like you're saying, defense is not doesn't scare anybody.
• 1:07:17
  Atlanta still got a decent defense squad, too.
• 1:07:22
  They're fighting to win the division.
• 1:07:23
  But it's not. Yeah.
• 1:07:24
  But now it's the X Factor is that Jayden Daniels makes those plays
• 1:07:27
  at the end or the new rookie Michael Penick's, you know,
• 1:07:31
  I'd like to see him in a high pressure scenario.
• 1:07:33
  Last week, he didn't.
• 1:07:34
  They got up early after the Bates is pick six and they were up 17 to seven.
• 1:07:40
  So I feel like the play calling one lot of safe calling.
• 1:07:43
  And they didn't really have to push the ball down the field.
• 1:07:46
  And Giants just couldn't move the ball at all.
• 1:07:49
  And so if Falcons win
• 1:07:53
  and if the Rams lose, there's a chance that now they could go up,
• 1:07:58
  you know, one more slot into the three seed instead, too.
• 1:08:01
  So there's still more to play for for the Falcons.
• 1:08:03
  Yes, the division, obviously, still very much on the line.
• 1:08:06
  But, you know, with the Rams playing the Cardinals and then Seattle yet,
• 1:08:10
  there's still a chance that the Falcons could just climb,
• 1:08:13
  climb up into that three seed even. They could.
• 1:08:15
  Yeah. And I'm going to give a little round of applause to the NFL
• 1:08:18
  schedule makers that they've, you know, I love a lot of good matchups, you know.
• 1:08:23
  And I like how these division, you know, matchups at the finish
• 1:08:26
  of season, you know, the Vikings, the Lions, you know, competing for the number
• 1:08:30
  one seed. But Atlanta ends the season against the Panthers.
• 1:08:32
  And right now, allegedly, that's not an easy win.
• 1:08:35
  Right. I would not consider that an easy win.
• 1:08:37
  Yeah. The Panthers are looking to rain on somebody's parade.
• 1:08:40
  And they've been looking to do that the past five weeks.
• 1:08:43
  Bryce Young's playing flawless.
• 1:08:45
  Yeah. And then the commanders have Dallas next week, too.
• 1:08:47
  So if they lose this week and then they get over to the Cowboys.
• 1:08:51
  I don't see them falling out of the playoffs even yet.
• 1:08:53
  But well, they should have lost last week.
• 1:08:55
  That's I was predicting that they'd not make the playoffs with a loss in Philly,
• 1:08:59
  a loss against Atlanta.
• 1:09:00
  Tampa or Seattle right there to, you know, clean up the mess.
• 1:09:03
  So but yeah, I'm gonna go Falcons. What the heck?
• 1:09:06
  Yeah. What the hell?
• 1:09:07
  I picked them to win the division, so I'm I got to stick with my guns.
• 1:09:10
  Oh, that's right. Come on, Tampa.
• 1:09:12
  I picked them to win.
• 1:09:14
  But yeah, I mean, that that pretty much wraps it.
• 1:09:18
  Man, we're getting right down to it.
• 1:09:20
  We are. It's a playoff. Time is coming.
• 1:09:21
  Now we're really going to have some doozy of some games coming up.
• 1:09:25
  There's going to be games that don't matter.
• 1:09:26
  Next week, there's going to be games that
• 1:09:28
  that we talk about that matter more than anything in this world.
• 1:09:31
  Like that Vikings versus Detroit game is going to be ridiculous.
• 1:09:34
  Man, I remember counting down the games or the days to the Vikings
• 1:09:38
  Giants game week one.
• 1:09:40
  And this season has completely flew by and it's been so much fun.
• 1:09:44
  And like you said, Rob hats hats off to the schedule makers
• 1:09:48
  because it's coming down right to the wire.
• 1:09:49
  It's going to be some awesome football.
• 1:09:51
  It should be. And it's really interesting.
• 1:09:53
  Our whole thought process might change next week of how like
• 1:09:56
  who's going to play starters, who's not going to play starters
• 1:10:00
  into the next week's game.
• 1:10:02
  You know, so this week is kind of like these lose.
• 1:10:05
  They might not play star. I agree. Yeah.
• 1:10:08
  You know, if they knew, yeah, because they got the five seat locked up.
• 1:10:11
  So I don't know why you would. Exactly.
• 1:10:13
  So it's either five seat or division and exactly one seat.
• 1:10:16
  Which is so crazy.
• 1:10:17
  Well, then the lions are the lions aren't playing anybody.
• 1:10:20
  So you're paying four hundred seventy five dollars for tickets
• 1:10:24
  to watch backup players.
• 1:10:25
  Well, four hundred seventy five first, the Packers, though.
• 1:10:28
  That's what this. Oh, yeah.
• 1:10:29
  But I'm taking it there in the lions.
• 1:10:31
  Yeah. Those still they're paying for those tickets right now.
• 1:10:34
  Oh, for sure. That's going to be the division game. Yeah.
• 1:10:38
  And then they're flexing that game.
• 1:10:39
  So what if both teams aren't playing starters and it's flexed on Sunday night?
• 1:10:46
  But the reflex it who's Jared Goff's backup even?
• 1:10:49
  We got we'd have all the first.
• 1:10:53
  I don't even know.
• 1:10:53
  Let's get Danny Dimes in there. Skip Nick Mullins.
• 1:10:56
  Skip Mullins just put Dimes in there.
• 1:10:58
  J.J. McCarthy's really healthy right now.
• 1:11:00
  Let's see what he's got. There you go.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah, man. With that, Dan, thanks for being here, man.
• 1:11:06
  Dude, it's been awesome.
• 1:11:08
  We really appreciate your awesome here. Thank you, Rob.
• 1:11:11
  Dan will be back on our January 7th show with our fellow football coach, Matt.
• 1:11:17
  Yes. It'll be on that.
• 1:11:19
  Part of the playoff show playoffs will be previewing, I believe.
• 1:11:23
  Let's see. It's a it's a wild card preview that show for sure.
• 1:11:26
  So don't want to miss that.
• 1:11:27
  But Dan, we appreciate you being here this week.
• 1:11:30
  Yeah, man. In between your busy scheduled day today.
• 1:11:32
  Yeah, right. Oh, it is been crazy.
• 1:11:35
  But anytime I can be on here, it is a blast. For sure.
• 1:11:38
  Well, I appreciate you being here.
• 1:11:40
  By the way, Jake Fromm is Detroit's backup quarterback.
• 1:11:43
  Yeah, let's charge a QB one.
• 1:11:45
  Yeah, let's see.
• 1:11:46
  Let's see Jake Fromm versus J.J. McCarthy. Why not?
• 1:11:49
  For five hundred dollars a pop.
• 1:11:52
  Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Rob, of course.
• 1:11:55
  Tyler being here every week, every every.
• 1:11:58
  Well, other than Mexico.
• 1:12:00
  Well, a couple of weeks.
• 1:12:02
  I feel like I need another trip down.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah. Down to Mexico.
• 1:12:05
  Well, it'll be after a Viking Super Bowl win or watch the Super Bowl there.
• 1:12:09
  Ooh, I didn't watch the Super Bowl in Hawaii last year.
• 1:12:12
  So did you? Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  No. Oh, lucky. Unbelievable.
• 1:12:16
  Anyway, thanks for being here, Rob.
• 1:12:17
  And not in Hawaii this week. Thank you.
• 1:12:19
  Of course, Kev behind the camera, getting everything done for us, editing,
• 1:12:23
  getting it out for you guys to see or listen to if you're on Spotify.
• 1:12:27
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• 1:12:29
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• 1:12:32
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• 1:12:35
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• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:48
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• 1:12:53
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• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:57
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• 1:13:00
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• 1:13:03
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