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EP 7 | Vengeful Spirits · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: They weren't like full on belief that there was something
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  Speaker 1: there until one guy actually spotted something crawling on the
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  Speaker 1: ceiling on the other side of the room is pure black.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a full body apparition that's climbing.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Art. My name is Roy Han. My name is Wayne.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Kyle and this is Tales From Incredible
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  Speaker 1: Tales together with some very special guests. We're taking a
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  Speaker 1: look back at Incredible Tales, a horror anthology that add
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  Speaker 1: on channel five from 2004 to 2017.
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  Speaker 1: We will also be asking our guests to share their
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  Speaker 1: scary stories at the host of Incredible Tales throughout its
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  Speaker 1: 13 years is back with us. Once again. Welcome back, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Hi. I am really excited. I mean, this is seventh episode. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the amount of people who are just enjoying what
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  Speaker 2: we're doing and just stopping me like wherever I am
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  Speaker 2: just to talk about what they're listening to. So. Very nice.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty amazing. Awesome. Yeah, I have to use incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Mhm.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of incredible in every episode of Tales From Incredible Tales,
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  Speaker 1: we will explore a different theme and how it ties
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  Speaker 1: to the classic incredible Tales episodes for this episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: looking at lingering spirits out for revenge. This episode's theme
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  Speaker 1: was inspired by coffee and pow. From season two, every
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  Speaker 1: morning a Hawker delivers a fresh coffee and pow to
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  Speaker 1: an interrogation room that is no longer in use.
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  Speaker 1: A curious rookie officer investigates and finds out that the
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  Speaker 1: room holds a haunting story. Now, let's take a look.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The, the, the 2000 music is no, but I
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  Speaker 1: love that music though. It, it feels very classically horror
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  Speaker 2: when I watched it back then and now it's like different.
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  Speaker 2: Like when I watch the reenactment and hear the music,
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  Speaker 2: it's so classic now. But when I watched it back then,
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  Speaker 2: um
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  Speaker 2: I, I found it a bit cheesy but it added
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  Speaker 2: on to the reenactment and now I'm like, oh, it's perfect. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when you, you know everything, the videos, the sound, it's
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  Speaker 2: like as if you don't have to watch the visuals
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  Speaker 2: and you can just hear it and you can actually
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  Speaker 2: just visualize
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  Speaker 1: it. I mean, like speaking of like visualizing it, right?
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  Speaker 1: I do think that the
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  Speaker 1: portrayed an accurate representation of someone who's getting
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  Speaker 2: possessed, I would say so I would say so from experience,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't witness it yourself or seen it yourself,
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  Speaker 2: you would think really does that really happen? It looks
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  Speaker 2: like kind of over the top. But that, that's what
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  Speaker 2: really happens that um
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  Speaker 2: you have no control of your body. And I think it,
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  Speaker 2: it depends on the person who's being possessed because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times they could be going through. Um I've
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  Speaker 2: once talked to like a monk about this. It was
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  Speaker 2: when I ordained, when I ordained, I asked the, I
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  Speaker 2: would call him my master monk or teacher monk as
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  Speaker 2: to why am I
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  Speaker 2: witnessing or experiencing so many things? And he said, well,
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  Speaker 2: as you are going into ordainment or any type of religion,
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  Speaker 2: the spirits will come to you as a means of
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  Speaker 2: help to like, help them cross over or um to,
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  Speaker 2: they need to work their way up depending on
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  Speaker 2: how, depending on their karma and the form of death.
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  Speaker 2: And people who, and it's like two ways, this is
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  Speaker 2: like the spirits, right on the other side of it,
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  Speaker 2: people who are living who have low energies
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  Speaker 2: are easily targeted because they might not know that they
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  Speaker 2: have low energies and low energies, meaning it's like they
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  Speaker 2: might be depressed or they might be down or they
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  Speaker 2: might be going through things in their life that gives
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  Speaker 2: them a lower vibe and lower energy that allows a possession. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or they might be dabbling in bad stuff like black
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  Speaker 2: magic or whatnot. So, yeah, I, I, from hearing accounts
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  Speaker 2: and from
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  Speaker 2: seeing it myself in certain situations, II, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's over the top reenactment. I really think that can happen,
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  Speaker 2: but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this, this reenactment is actually quite mild.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like the Hollywood one where, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: he starts walking on that, that's like super over the
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  Speaker 1: top because he's like so normal. He like, he just
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  Speaker 1: walked past and then he see a spirit and then
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  Speaker 1: the spirit possess him and he just walks, try to
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  Speaker 1: basically the ghost is trying to say that I'm innocent,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think it's quite possible that that could happen. And,
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  Speaker 1: and based on the episode itself is one of those
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  Speaker 1: incredible details episode where they have like an unknown interviewee.
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  Speaker 1: So it's based on actual events that happened and in
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  Speaker 1: a particular police department in Singapore, it's very interesting because
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  Speaker 1: we always see spirits trying to get revenge, right? Spirits
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  Speaker 1: trying to hunt other people. Why do you think we
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  Speaker 1: are so drawn into them
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  Speaker 1: to stories of revengeful spirits?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's because it's been um
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  Speaker 2: s sensationalize that way. So that's how we see possessions.
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  Speaker 2: But like this is a reenactment of being appeased for
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  Speaker 2: something that like spirit did not do. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that exists because a lot of times like what I
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  Speaker 2: just mentioned earlier on, for them to be able to
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  Speaker 2: move on, they need to be able to move on
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  Speaker 2: from
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  Speaker 2: what they're holding on to. So I, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: with this reenactment in order for the spirit to move on,
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  Speaker 2: she needs to be heard, she needs to be seen
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  Speaker 2: as to what she did not do. And
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's a bit more drama. I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: there's a drama where somebody is getting revenge on somebody
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  Speaker 1: is more interesting than just,
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  Speaker 2: uh, well, yeah, it's, it's basically like watching a TV
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  Speaker 2: drama but it's like in the spirit world basically. So
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  Speaker 2: it's more entertaining. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a vengeful spirit before? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: not against you. Like, just around a word, a
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  Speaker 2: word spirit, a vengeful spirit. Yes, I've seen and experience um,
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  Speaker 2: dark energies. Yeah, dark energies are
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  Speaker 1: considered dark energies. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: would term them dark. That's how I would term them
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  Speaker 2: dark energies. For me. It's like when I know the
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  Speaker 2: spirits are,
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  Speaker 2: are quite revengeful by evil. Quite dark. Yeah. And that's
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  Speaker 2: when I feel really uneasy because I feel they're quite powerful. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Usually they are quite all right to be still lingering
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  Speaker 1: in that same area.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like in terms of like, if we're
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  Speaker 2: thinking about souls, like, yeah, quite old. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: revengeful spirits. I mean, they could have died young. Yeah. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but it depends on the story
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  Speaker 2: circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, really curious if there is a vengeful spirit
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  Speaker 1: out there who has yet to fulfill their desires, will
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  Speaker 1: they still linger until they finish whatever they need to do? Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. Yeah, they were so linger. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's like a much bigger discussion because there's like
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  Speaker 2: quite a number of movies about it too. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 2: like a movie in Thailand last year
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  Speaker 2: that was based on, like, very dark spirits and energies.
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  Speaker 2: And then usually, like, with movies, like, you have like a,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the movie, you sort of have
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  Speaker 2: a good ending. But this one, there's no good ending.
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  Speaker 2: Basically the spirits, the dark energy still linger
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  Speaker 1: because the, the vengeful spirits they are there possibly part
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  Speaker 1: of their coming cycle. So the cycle hasn't run out.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they are there. They are either wrongly murdered
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  Speaker 1: or committed
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  Speaker 1: suicide. It could be that for certain reasons and it
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  Speaker 1: has not fulfilled. There's a cycle once the cycle is completed,
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  Speaker 1: then they will move on. Yeah, but that's why certain
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  Speaker 1: rooms they are sealed off. They, they cannot be used.
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  Speaker 1: There's a reason for that. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I remember when we had the watch shows uh with
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  Speaker 2: MTV in Canting
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  Speaker 2: and just, just a ride going up to King is like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, have you been to canting? Just like
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  Speaker 2: the roads going up? And then I don't know the
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  Speaker 2: exact story, but maybe you guys can help me out
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  Speaker 2: because you might have heard the same thing. But apparently
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  Speaker 2: there's a particular penthouse or room at Ging that is
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  Speaker 2: purely for the spirits. Yes. Have you heard that?
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  Speaker 1: I've heard, I've heard that, I don't know which that's
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  Speaker 1: about as far as I know that there's a,
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  Speaker 1: I, I didn't know it was a penthouse. I heard
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  Speaker 1: that there's a particular room,
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  Speaker 2: this house for the family of spirits, not just one spirit.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a family of spirits. Um, and there's a
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  Speaker 2: whole ritual and ceremony where it's like food is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: offered and everything to protect,
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  Speaker 2: uh, the, the people, the people and not protect the
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  Speaker 2: people but, you know, protect the venue.
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  Speaker 1: So to kind of keep the spirits appeased and just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ok, that's an exchange. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's not to protect us. It's
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  Speaker 2: for them to just relax, I guess, for them and
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  Speaker 2: their intention for the spirits. Yeah. So, um, my, like,
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  Speaker 2: spirit senses went a bit haywired when I was there.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't sleep. I couldn't sleep. Yeah. When I was
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  Speaker 2: there working,
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  Speaker 2: I literally could not sleep at all. That was how
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  Speaker 2: strong the spirits and the energies were for me. And
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  Speaker 2: it's like you have, um, I'm there working and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: it's music, it's entertainment, it's like everything's like very bright
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  Speaker 2: and vibrant, but
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  Speaker 2: I can feel like a lot of darkness in that environment.
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  Speaker 1: So they were disturbing you while you were working.
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  Speaker 2: No, they weren't disturbing. I just felt like a weight,
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  Speaker 2: like a heavy dark weight in around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Overall. Overall. Yeah. Overall. But it kind of makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess that's when I started to kind of
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  Speaker 2: try to find out more about, you know, the place
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  Speaker 2: and it's understandable.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, speaking of gun thing, I'm just gonna share
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  Speaker 1: a quick story. I just remembered it wasn't my own experience,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a collective experience by eight of my friends,
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  Speaker 1: eight people actually saw it. So they stayed in this
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  Speaker 1: hotel in gun thing
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  Speaker 1: and they had like one of those conjoined rooms so
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  Speaker 1: you can open the middle part. So. Ok. Ok. So
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  Speaker 1: they were in one room I think, don't know why
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  Speaker 1: they're gambling in the room instead of going to the casino,
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  Speaker 1: they're gambling in their room. And then one of the
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  Speaker 1: guys is all guys. One of the guys actually went
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  Speaker 1: to the other room to shower and when they checked in,
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  Speaker 1: right is a very clean room. And then when he
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  Speaker 1: was showering, he realized that there were a lot of
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  Speaker 1: long hair,
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  Speaker 1: eight guys are a lot of long hair in the sink.
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  Speaker 1: I know the sink, the drain trap. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: I felt very weird. And then he went to go
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  Speaker 1: and tell all the friends. He said, I think the
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  Speaker 1: room a bit weird are the, let's stick together like, ok,
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  Speaker 1: then they started getting phone calls on that same room.
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  Speaker 1: So one room is occupied and the other is empty
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  Speaker 1: except for toilets. Are they use it?
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  Speaker 1: So it's that getting calls and then when you pick
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  Speaker 1: it up, static, static, but you can see that the
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  Speaker 1: caller id is from the lobby by static. So they
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  Speaker 1: keep getting calls and then they heard, like, I think
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  Speaker 1: they heard a bit of a running for that, the
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  Speaker 1: usual outside their rooms
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  Speaker 1: and they were freaked out already. Like, at that point,
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  Speaker 1: then all of them started to freak out. Then one
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  Speaker 1: of them actually saw a shadow move past the window
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  Speaker 1: and it's quite a high floor. So it's probably floating
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  Speaker 1: by the window. So imagine when you're inside the room, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's all lights very bright. So what when you look
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  Speaker 1: outside is all dark? So it's quite obvious. So he
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  Speaker 1: freaked out and he's like, hey guys,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. But nobody wanted to move for
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  Speaker 1: some reason. They just, no, no, we just stay here
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  Speaker 1: like they, they, they were like full on belief that
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  Speaker 1: there was something there until one guy actually spotted something
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  Speaker 1: crawling on the ceiling on the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: room is pure black.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a full body apparition that's climbing. So you
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  Speaker 1: think about like certain creatures, right? That there is depicted
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  Speaker 1: in those demon movies, like a demon climbing like a
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  Speaker 1: spider climbing. And then he saw, he told everybody, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I saw, I saw so then they all ran out,
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  Speaker 1: all of them ran out. So they ran out, they
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  Speaker 1: went to the lobby and they didn't sleep.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go back, they didn't even try to change room.
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  Speaker 1: They just stay in the lobby until the morning. Then
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  Speaker 1: they went back to get their stuff and then at
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  Speaker 1: that point it was gone. Really? And, and, and I
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  Speaker 1: must also add, right one is that throughout this whole experience,
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  Speaker 1: like the phone ringing. Yeah. So it's an eight person experience,
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  Speaker 2: a grown man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we just came
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  Speaker 2: from that reenactment. We're talking about possessions and like dark
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  Speaker 2: spirits and energies and,
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  Speaker 2: um, and if I was to segue it and connect
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  Speaker 2: it to my own, that's a big experience being there
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  Speaker 2: in that environment, in that space, it's very dark. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why I feel like if there is a particular room,
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  Speaker 2: it's to keep those spirits that are dark alive
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  Speaker 1: and they use food as you know,
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  Speaker 2: to, to
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  Speaker 2: uh that's why I hear, I mean, like, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's like when you give offerings, yeah, there could be
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  Speaker 2: other things than food that we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Right. OK. A second to think of like
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  Speaker 1: something else.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to be PG here,
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  Speaker 1: which, which is, you know, you being PG just puts
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  Speaker 1: all those thoughts in my mind. I'm like, oh God. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But food, food is a common thing for, I think
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  Speaker 1: certain cultures and the Chinese, they use food to pray
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  Speaker 1: to the disease. Some Thai also do it,
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  Speaker 1: especially to the Kong. They do give, if you look
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  Speaker 1: at alta, right? For Thai restaurant, they usually will have
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  Speaker 1: an Alta for the, usually will have Yako or v
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  Speaker 1: like the, the
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  Speaker 2: depending on the gods. Sweet
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  Speaker 1: drinks like before the kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, I mean, in Thailand there are different gods
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  Speaker 2: that people believe and then depending on the gods they will, like,
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  Speaker 2: give the offerings. Whether, what Kyle said a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times it's like Fanta the red one. Yes, you would
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  Speaker 2: see with the straw, you see that quite a lot. Or,
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  Speaker 2: or even for Ganesh would be like the banana and milk.
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  Speaker 2: But that's quite similar to the h
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  Speaker 2: do religion because that's done here as well. The offerings
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  Speaker 2: like Kyle said is quite common. Yeah, the meaning behind
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  Speaker 2: like lighting up the incense is because you light up
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  Speaker 2: the incense while you get the offering. So when it's burning,
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  Speaker 2: that's when they're able to consume what you're offering to
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  Speaker 2: the spirits. So that's how it links.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the incense, right is actually a connection, right? That's
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  Speaker 1: why they always say don't, if you walk on the pathway,
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  Speaker 1: please be careful. I mean there's a few users for it,
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  Speaker 1: for my very limited knowledge is either you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: communicate with it or it's like something for them to
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  Speaker 1: appease them or you're trying to draw attention because it
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  Speaker 1: can be used to draw attention. So imagine you like
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  Speaker 1: an incense, right? And then you just walk through the cemetery,
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  Speaker 1: everything will follow you because you're trying to lead them somewhere. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's why there's certain incense, right? That it needs to
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  Speaker 1: be running all the way on. Yeah, you cannot let it.
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  Speaker 1: Like if this one is gonna die out, you need
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  Speaker 1: to change to another one to keep it running or
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  Speaker 2: even candles. Yeah. But what
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  Speaker 1: about, let's say if the spirit is vengeful, a certain spirit,
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  Speaker 1: that spirit that wants to get revenge and then you
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  Speaker 1: are somewhat or rather
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  Speaker 1: feeding the spirit so that you know, the spirit can
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  Speaker 1: go towards that revenge pathway. Do you think anything will
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  Speaker 1: happen to yourself?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how dark energy reacts to a person itself.
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  Speaker 2: Like you, you probably have dark intentions if you are
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  Speaker 2: going to work with dark energies. Yeah. So you probably
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  Speaker 2: already you probably go along
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  Speaker 2: together and then I don't know from my personal perspective.
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  Speaker 2: It's like when you dabble in that the repercussions can
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  Speaker 2: be quite bad as well. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And because we speak, we
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  Speaker 1: spoke about this in the episode with half about vengeful spirits.
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  Speaker 1: Black magic.
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  Speaker 1: We, when we feed them further, it can become, you
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  Speaker 1: can eat us up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because it's if you take it out of the spirit
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  Speaker 2: and energies, the spirit world, you just look at the
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  Speaker 2: in real life like people who are, you know, who
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  Speaker 2: are murderers, who you know, they, there's different variations of
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  Speaker 2: people in real life and I think in the spirit
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  Speaker 2: world is the same too. So it's like if you
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  Speaker 2: flock in the real life amongst people who aren't
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  Speaker 2: having good intentions, what does that say about you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it's the same with the spirit world if you're
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  Speaker 2: dabbling with the spirit world and with that intention, what
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  Speaker 2: does that say about you? Ok.
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  Speaker 1: So I think I just want to touch on, um
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the episodes where Hafiz mentioned that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when a family member of his passed away,
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  Speaker 1: they actually engaged, they actually call upon a spirit to
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  Speaker 1: possess somebody within his family to, to somewhat confess to
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  Speaker 1: the police to solve the case. The case.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think like paranormal investigation or, or such a thing,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: supernatural acts should be in place
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: here. My personal perspective is like, I think it's subjective
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: because then you might have a lot of con psychics
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: coming in. Yeah. And then that's just gonna ruin and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: this makes things really confusing, but I do feel and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: believe that there are psychics who can
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: solve, but it's very subjective how you pick one
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be hard. Yeah. I mean, how do we
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: know who is
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: genuine? Exactly. So it's better not to rely on the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: psychic because it can't be proven. It's
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: also a question of whether the ghost want to go
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: direct to the source because the ghost bring directly to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the investigative officer.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: what I'm actually curious is that, are there and I'm
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: pretty sure nobody
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: will say anything. But are there any police officers out there? Right,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: please share if you have that they have actually experiences where,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, like, maybe a victim of a murder actually
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: approach you a, I think you're looking in the wrong
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: place you should look at here, here's the clues or, like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like a coroner. Yeah. You know, because
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: they do death on a daily basis. So I'm sure
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: there is some experience there. Yeah. I think that's, that's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: fairly good middle ground. It's not like, you know, you
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: have somebody go, I, I as a psychic can tell
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you that this person without a shadow of a doubt
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: was the killer. It's pointing you in the right direction
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: so that the, the actual police can do their job
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, figure out who's the guilty party
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: down here. I think that's kind of the safest bet.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Then at least there is still earthly investigations and proof,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: but it just so happened that you were nudged in
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the right direction. So this question is for everyone,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: if you met with an untimely and unjust death, would
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you want to return for vengeance? I'm gonna answer first
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: just based on everything that art has said so far
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: this season. No,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: like, you know, before the season started, I might have
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: answered differently after everything you said so far, like, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the toll it's going to take, it's just not worth it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And quite frankly, at that point, I just, I think
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: my spirit just wants to rest
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: it. It's funny because I have two sides of answers. Like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: you know, one is what Wayne said where it's like, well,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it to whoever, you know, cause the problem
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: or cause the situation
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and make it their karmic situation and I'll move on
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and then there's the other side like, hm.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: But the thing is like it's just going to be
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: like a circle. Yeah. So I would go with the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: first one. I, me and Wayne are going to the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: other side guys. What about you guys? We'll see you guys.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I think I still struggling
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: because I know the type of person you are as well. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I think about you, you've got this very strong sense
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of justice. So I know that this is bothering you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I think, I think I won't come
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: back as venous spirit. I'll come back as a spirit.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I'll definitely come back. I, I was the difference. The
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: differentiation between a vengeful spirit and the normal spirit is
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a spirit that has not passed to the light yet, right?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But Ven spirit is like
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you can say, essentially is condemned already. I will not
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: go to heaven. I just want to see this person
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: suffer and I will torment this person as long as
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm a spirit, something like that, right? I will haunt
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: his family. I will give him illness, that kind of thing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: But for me, I will be more cheeky. I will
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I will, I will disturb the investigating officer to the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: point where by I point the right a bro, like, hello.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of homes can do better. Ok.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Can you make up your idea then I'll move on. Yeah. Right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Just to, just
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to get my justice but not in a revenge kind
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of way. So he served his time then. So because
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like everybody has like a life span. right?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Like if you're murdered, it also means that your time
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is up. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. So
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: two of you choose to go to the other side. I'm,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think I'm half, I won't take revenge on the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: other side
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: is
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: justice.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Good news. I'm coming with you guys.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree to everything. I'm not going to go
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: for revenge because I mean, it's, it's, it's like a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: chalk to the passport says no way you're going to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: enter heaven. So, yeah, I, I rather just live in peace.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, die in peace. All right. So this has
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: been actually a really interesting conversation. Um But before we go,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it's time once again for a morbid fact of today.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So can any one of you guess what,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: what is it has something to do with murder is
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a thing that happens in developed countries. The
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: statistics in developed countries of murders are higher than undeveloped
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: countries very
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: close. But actually no, actually the Mobi fact is in
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: 2011 there was statistics done that actually revenge is cited
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: as a key factor for murders in
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: developed countries.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Ok.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: This is in 2011. Yes. Oh, wow.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, it's like a statistic of, like, the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: reason why I kill you is one of the main
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: reasons why people murder.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's, I mean, we can go into a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: rabbit hole. That's why there's a thing called manslaughter because
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: murder is premeditated, manslaughter is in the heat of the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: moment these two different legal terms. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Wow.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And then we have, we have to have another statistics,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: number of vengeful spirits that, yeah. Oh, after the murder
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of the,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: in a developed country, no, but how you, how you find,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you need to find a whole bunch of arts
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and k Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You know the, the ticker thing I want to. Oh, sorry.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It's just two of you to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: who of you guys in the cemetery? Like doing
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: a book, dude. Yeah. Like, where are you? Oh, wait, dude,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I'm booked in Oregon right now.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just doing a survey. Oh, with people? No, no,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: no, no, no, no statistics, bro.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of like scenes from men in black,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in black, the spirits. No, there's
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: one, it's called RPD. Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Reynolds. He died,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he became a cop in afterlife. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Quite,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: quite fun. Yeah. All right. Thank you again for joining us.
• 25:25
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