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Horror Talk with Derek Sheen · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Let's hope. Let's hope. Let's hope they get all the
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  Speaker 1: energy of a guy who's just gotten out of an
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  Speaker 1: eight-hour drive. I'm so ready to talk about horror movies.
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  Speaker 1: I've been listening to an audiobook on serial killers for
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  Speaker 1: like six hours.
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  Speaker 2: That's not disturbing at all.
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  Speaker 3: This is PJ Souls, and you are totally listening to
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  Speaker 3: Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 4: Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: It's showtime.
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  Speaker 7: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million.
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  Speaker 6: Kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 8: I am Brian.
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  Speaker 2: And with me this week is a very special guest,
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  Speaker 2: guest co-host who's Fought his way to be here this week, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Derek Sheen.
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  Speaker 1: It was hell. It was hell. I've never taken a
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  Speaker 1: five-hour drive that lasted eight, eight and a half hours.
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  Speaker 1: That was amazing.
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  Speaker 2: We're in like a time hole. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you've realized as you pass through that portal midway in.
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  Speaker 1: Eastern time. You know what I forgot? Eastern Standard Time.
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  Speaker 2: You don't realize we're almost New York.
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  Speaker 1: Luckily, my show should be happening tonight right about the
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  Speaker 1: same time the debate starts. So that'll be great.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a much better option if you ask me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. I already get it.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do anything to avoid watching politics at this point.
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  Speaker 1: It's all that's on TV.
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  Speaker 9: It's good that there's a nice place to go and
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  Speaker 9: listen to people make fun of things.
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  Speaker 1: It's that and the show Grimm. That's it. Whoa, wait.
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  Speaker 2: Grimm's on?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Share that in common.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have to decide.
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  Speaker 1: Both very grim. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Here I am.
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  Speaker 1: Hello. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: No problem.
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  Speaker 9: Glad you have survived and made your way here. I
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  Speaker 9: guess that's my entryway. On something like this, I would
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  Speaker 9: introduce you as a comedian. I guess you have to
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  Speaker 9: in this context.
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  Speaker 2: But do you want to tell people that out in
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  Speaker 2: the world? Or does that get you in trouble?
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  Speaker 1: I'm very guarded about, and I don't know why I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed of it. I just think that it
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  Speaker 1: comes with some baggage, so I don't tell people right away.
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  Speaker 2: Normal people then immediately come at you with something.
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  Speaker 1: I tell them I'm in sales, and then they leave
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  Speaker 1: me alone.
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  Speaker 2: Or accounting.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm getting my hair cut, and I'm like, can
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  Speaker 1: you shave the part in? And they're like, what do
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  Speaker 1: you do for a living? I'm like, sales.
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  Speaker 2: Vacuum cleaner door-to-door.
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  Speaker 1: I just uh i sell i'm a motivational speaker i've
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  Speaker 1: said that before just for fun motivational speaker i'm a
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  Speaker 1: motivational speaker i get people pumped to hate themselves.
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  Speaker 9: That's yeah that's comedians in a nutshell right there to
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  Speaker 9: not like me i was gonna say or to hate
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  Speaker 9: i hate myself in front of people that's a big
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  Speaker 9: comedian maneuver like here's all the things i hate about
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  Speaker 9: myself Thanks.
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  Speaker 1: For coming out. Luckily, now that I'm 46, I'm full
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  Speaker 1: of self-loathing.
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  Speaker 2: Just now, though?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It just kicked in.
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  Speaker 1: Really turned a corner at 46. I was like, up
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  Speaker 1: until 45, I was like, fuck this, I like me.
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  Speaker 1: And then last year, I was like, nope, this is
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  Speaker 1: all going to end in tears.
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  Speaker 2: And then you just decided comedy is the way to go.
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  Speaker 1: This is all going to end in tears.
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  Speaker 9: Before that, you were actually in sales. And then you
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  Speaker 9: were like, oh, I can't hate myself this much. I'm
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  Speaker 9: going to have to be a comedian now.
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  Speaker 1: Now I tell people I'm getting ready for retirement.
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  Speaker 9: I'm one step away. All I need is that money
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  Speaker 9: to kick in. I did not win that billion-plus lottery
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  Speaker 9: that I was kind of counting on. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 9: sad how much I was already spending that money.
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  Speaker 2: That I did not win.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite part of the Powerball winners is just watching
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  Speaker 1: their immediate descent into fucking madness right before their death.
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  Speaker 1: I was already there. They will lose. If you've never
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  Speaker 1: seen the show How the Lottery Ruined My Life... It's
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  Speaker 1: so accurate. Especially give dum-dums more money. Oh, yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: their life expectancy decreases exponentially with the amount of zeros
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  Speaker 1: on their paycheck.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's my plan, though.
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  Speaker 9: I go in and I want to Brewster's millions it.
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  Speaker 9: I just want to be like, here's the dumbest things
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  Speaker 9: I can do with millions of dollars. I want to
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  Speaker 9: see how ridiculous I can waste just huge amounts of money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just buy a city for the homeless.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Problem solved.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of productive things I could do, too.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe. That might be like $ 100 million. And then get
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  Speaker 1: them to start a government. Then they have their own government.
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  Speaker 1: Then their own governing body. Make them a city. Then
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  Speaker 1: they have a city. And then I still have like
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  Speaker 1: a couple hundred million to play with. So I would
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  Speaker 1: get a giant nose to put all the cocaine in.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of the U.S.
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  Speaker 9: Would realize the homeless government's working better than theirs.
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  Speaker 2: And they'll get upset. And then they'll declare war on
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  Speaker 2: your mini country and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or they'll force them to secede or they'll cut
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  Speaker 1: their education budget.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank God. That's what we need.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to be out of the car. Have I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that?
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  Speaker 2: You're all pumped.
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  Speaker 9: So I guess did you, I usually try to figure
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  Speaker 9: out how people got to where they are on this path.
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  Speaker 9: Did you plan comedy or did it happen to you?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't. I wanted to do stand-up. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to be on stage. That was something
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  Speaker 1: I always practiced, whether it was acting or in theater
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  Speaker 1: arts or makeup. I mean, I've always been around it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So music is kind of what got me through my
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  Speaker 1: stage fright because I had crippling stage fright, especially with stand-up.
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  Speaker 1: It was very hard for me to get into. So
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  Speaker 1: I got into music for like 20 years, 25 years,
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  Speaker 1: and that got me into my early 30s. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to do this anymore.
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  Speaker 8: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to do stand-up, and I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I can get on stage, and I'm not scared anymore,
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  Speaker 1: and it was great. I mean, it's what I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do all the time. I mean, it's always been
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  Speaker 1: the thing that's been there from day one. Which instrument?
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  Speaker 1: I play guitar, bass, bagpipes, saxophone, and drums.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 2: This is too much. You can't.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I say play, I haven't practiced anything
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  Speaker 1: except for guitar and bass in the last 10 years.
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  Speaker 1: So I would say if you threw a bagpipe at me,
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  Speaker 1: give me a couple days to remember all my... You're
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  Speaker 1: in trouble.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to need a finger chart to get through it.
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  Speaker 2: I need a refresher course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, it's one of those I'm always interested in,
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  Speaker 9: especially the more it's sort of become a whole new level,
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  Speaker 9: the comedy scene, as it were.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm always interested in you guys.
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  Speaker 9: This is a pretty good window, a nice little snapshot
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  Speaker 9: of the life that you lead, randomly being stuck in
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  Speaker 9: a car for five to eight hours from one gig
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  Speaker 9: to the next.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: Is that I feel like it has, that type of
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  Speaker 9: thing has its pluses and many minuses.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do now. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 1: done it for so long and I still, I still,
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  Speaker 1: I still bristle at the term road comic.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because there's a certain, there's an archetype that comes with
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  Speaker 1: that term and I don't ever want to associate it
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  Speaker 1: with it, but I mean, that's what I do. I'm
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  Speaker 1: on the road a lot, but I'm not doing like
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  Speaker 1: these shitty bars and, like these awful one-nighters where it's
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  Speaker 1: not a comedy audience and they hate you and you
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  Speaker 1: hate them and you get a $ 30 room comp for
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  Speaker 1: your $ 100 and then you go back and you just
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  Speaker 1: question everything you do. I get to pick the places
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  Speaker 1: I do. And so if it sucks, it's on me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's fine. That's way more fun for me because
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  Speaker 1: there's no risk except for the loss of money and self-respect,
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  Speaker 1: which I already don't have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like you've at least got a good
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  Speaker 2: amount of freedom. to literally choose where you want.
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  Speaker 9: To go, but you also end up going to wonderful
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  Speaker 9: locations like this one that you just got to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, uh, outside of, uh, yeah, right. I mean, we're,
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  Speaker 1: we're outside of the norm here.
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  Speaker 2: Five to eight hours away from wherever you are right now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee. Um, I mean, I like,
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I like, you know, there's a, there's
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  Speaker 1: a car when you're in a car for more than
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  Speaker 1: a couple hours, you know, when you just want to
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  Speaker 1: sit in the bathroom and read a comic book, You
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  Speaker 1: just want to get away from everything. And the bathroom
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  Speaker 1: seems to be the one place.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: A car is essentially a bathroom without a toilet in it.
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  Speaker 1: So without any other passengers, you are literally just there
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  Speaker 1: with your own thoughts. No one can interrupt you.
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  Speaker 2: That's trouble. I don't trust my own thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: No one's knocking on the door like, I want to
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  Speaker 1: get in. Nobody can do that physically. They can't knock
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  Speaker 1: on the door while you're driving. So I love it
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  Speaker 1: when I'm home. It takes me like two or three
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  Speaker 1: days to decompress because I just want to go and
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  Speaker 1: sit in my car or drive around the neighborhood or
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  Speaker 1: go places.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I get cabin fever and it drives my wife nuts. Like,
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  Speaker 1: why don't you want to be home? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you understand the chemical reaction. It's PTSD.
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  Speaker 1: I have to get back in the car.
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  Speaker 2: Can she just sit in the car with you and
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  Speaker 2: then you'll be okay? Just sit in the driveway?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, she caught me last time. I got home and
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  Speaker 1: we went out to dinner and We hung out and
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  Speaker 1: then she went to bed and I snuck downstairs and
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  Speaker 1: went out to the car and just listened to an
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  Speaker 1: album while i sat in the car it really is
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  Speaker 1: like what are you doing out here and i'm like
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  Speaker 1: i just kind of miss it like i just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be in it it's just relaxing.
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  Speaker 2: To me it might be taking over your mind oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah i think that's probably where i'm gonna die.
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  Speaker 9: Attaching itself to That's what I was going to say.
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  Speaker 9: I can't do that more than a couple hours because
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  Speaker 9: to me it's not like it's a relaxing bathroom time.
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  Speaker 9: To me it's a relaxing bedtime, and I will very
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  Speaker 9: easily go to sleep. That's like the best time to
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  Speaker 9: take a nap for me. So I try to stay out.
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  Speaker 2: Of the car in long runs. It won't go well
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  Speaker 2: for anyone.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man, if I didn't have my Audible account, I'd
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  Speaker 1: probably go bananas. But, I mean, like between that and
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  Speaker 1: having all my entertainment is in there, so it's great
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  Speaker 1: for me. Plus I can talk to myself and no
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  Speaker 1: one else can hear me. And so I can constantly
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  Speaker 1: work on stuff while I'm in the car and I
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  Speaker 1: can say it out loud. I can hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 9: Well, on that scene again, have you noticed a change
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  Speaker 9: in recent years? Because I feel like, and it's funny
• 11:00
  Speaker 9: that it's in the same time span as the way
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  Speaker 9: that podcasting has kicked in. So I'm not saying they're
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  Speaker 9: exactly connected, but it is funny that most comedians have
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  Speaker 9: their own podcast now. But I think it's also created
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  Speaker 9: this network of comedians that all kind of work together
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  Speaker 9: and cross-promote on each other's shows or do shows together
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  Speaker 9: out on the road.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like it's kind of created a new level.
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  Speaker 1: It is true. I mean, that part is true in
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  Speaker 1: the sense that those comics, like, I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of it is proximity.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They all live in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Or they all live in New York. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those podcasts come out of Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so all those comics know each other, or they're available,
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  Speaker 1: they're gets. You can just call them on the phone
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  Speaker 1: and go, hey, do you want to be on my
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  Speaker 1: podcast Tuesday? And most comics would be like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, but you have to be on mine
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's a lot of cross-pollination, but you don't
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  Speaker 1: see that in a lot of other areas. They're not
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  Speaker 1: pulling comics in from out of town. They're just grabbing
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  Speaker 1: gets that are in town, which is great. I mean, still,
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  Speaker 1: it helps promote those people, but it does seem like
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  Speaker 1: it's like, it's the same 15 people on every show.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 9: And that's what I think is funny because I do
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  Speaker 9: listen to shows based out of L.A. And it's always
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  Speaker 9: disturbing to me that sometimes I get better guests here
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  Speaker 9: than sometimes they'll just pull in their friends or a
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  Speaker 9: random comic that they know. But I'm like, I'll get
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  Speaker 9: legit actors that have had huge properties. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 9: why are you not getting this level in L.A.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's a little bit of incestuous circle jerking that goes on. But,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's entertainment. And as long as people are entertained,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing. It's all good. I mean, Chris
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  Speaker 1: Hardwick probably does like 30 podcasts a week, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Every once in a while he'll describe his schedule for
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  Speaker 2: a day. And I'm like, I'm exhausted already.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you get to that point.
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  Speaker 1: And you have to make a choice. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: work that hard. You do gain all the benefits of it.
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  Speaker 1: But it is exhausting. And it's also incredibly short-lived. You
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  Speaker 1: can only do that for a few years before you
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  Speaker 1: either just collapse from fatigue or... You're just done with it.
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  Speaker 9: Again, someone like him as an example, I think this
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  Speaker 9: year he's, again, because if you listen to him enough,
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  Speaker 9: he's got a girlfriend now and suddenly he's not doing
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  Speaker 9: as many shows anymore.
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  Speaker 2: He's also doing 15 TV shows at the same time too.
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  Speaker 9: But it is funny that this year he said he's
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  Speaker 9: scaling back and I'm like, well, it's not just me.
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  Speaker 1: That's exhausted podcasting. There's an oversaturation that can happen as well.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't think the public's gotten oversaturated
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  Speaker 1: with someone like Chris, but I do think that There
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  Speaker 1: is a breaking point. There's a breaking point. Or, you know,
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: there's a Breaking Bad talk show. And then there's a
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  Speaker 1: Walking Dead talk show. And then there's Midnight. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's his other show. And then there's another show that
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  Speaker 1: he's on. And then his five podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a lot of... But it's not just Chris.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Chris is an example. I would think that
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  Speaker 1: whole Hollywood thing.
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  Speaker 2: Another version is Kevin Smith. And it did do that
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 9: Like, he was on six to seven shows a week.
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  Speaker 9: and I was trying to listen to one or two,
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  Speaker 9: and I'm like, by the second or third one, I'm like,
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  Speaker 9: I can't hear you talk anymore this week.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I need a break.
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  Speaker 1: His podcasts start at like 7 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he does it all day long.
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  Speaker 1: And it's ridiculous. There's no need. It's too much. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: gives a shit about Kevin Smith that much.
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  Speaker 2: Not that much. I used to be a big fan
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  Speaker 2: of him. I think that killed it. Like, I'm to
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  Speaker 2: the point now, I'm kind of like, I don't really
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: even want to see these new movies.
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  Speaker 1: Three small casts a day is way too much. And
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  Speaker 1: that and the fact that it's like, He's not that interesting.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, again, the fan that would listen to all
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  Speaker 1: five of his podcasts in one day seems like the
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  Speaker 1: kind of person that would also have a handmade poster
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: of people that bullied them in high school. And they're
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: just getting to the point where they're ready to go
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  Speaker 1: up to that book tower.
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  Speaker 2: Just putting the lipstick on. Yeah. I know those people.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people, and you can't prove
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  Speaker 2: any difference.
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  Speaker 9: But well no that's the thing even like on his
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  Speaker 9: show like i got to the point i was listening
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  Speaker 9: to it but scott.
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  Speaker 2: Mosher is way more interesting like he's.
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  Speaker 9: So much funnier like because he doesn't try he's just
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  Speaker 9: like he's so laid back he's kind of just he
• 15:15
  Speaker 9: comes the exact opposite approach that kevin does and i'm
• 15:17
  Speaker 9: like i can listen to scott all.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Day long oh god yeah he's so much funnier i
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: mean if he had his and we i kind of
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: wish he had his own thing where you know it
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: was him.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: He's got an offshoot too. Everybody has an offshoot.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: That he would get a little bit more focus because
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I think he's funny.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: He is really funny. All right. We've talked podcasts. We've
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: got entertainment going.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: We've warmed up.
• 15:41
  Speaker 9: Your other favorite form of entertainment is movies?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I am a huge... I indulge way too... I've
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: always loved movies. Movies are my backbone. I mean... I
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: was raised on horror movies on top of stand-up comedy.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: That was the other thing that my mom just inundated
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: me with. I mean, it was B-grade or Z-grade, you know,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: black and white monster movies to start with. And then,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you know, we had... We got Zacharelli, where I lived,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: on a UHF band.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Where were you at?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: We were in Seattle. But we got UHF. Zacharelli would
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: be on simulcast on Thursday nights or Friday nights. And
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: then The Count on... Channel 7 on Cairo in Seattle.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: The Count was the actual horror host in Seattle. And
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: then we had Tiny the Giant, which was in Canada,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: which was also UHF. So throughout the weekend, we would
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: watch every Z-grade or 50s, 60s, 70s monster movie. Late
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: at night on the ABC affiliate, back when I was
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: growing up, TV went off the air either at midnight.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Or on the weekends. You can't explain this to kids now.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: They don't get it. It won't make sense. There was
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: no TV. After midnight, most stations would have their break
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: and they would be off for 10 hours or seven hours.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: After the Pledge of Allegiance, thank you.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Except for some stations would stay up until 1.30 and
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: they would run a late night movie. In the case
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: of the ABC affiliate, every Thursday night, they would have
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: a late night movie, which was always horror. And they
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: didn't have it as a horror host thing, but it
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: would always be like, that's where I saw Let's Scare
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Jessica to Death. It's where I saw Phantasm for the
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: very first time on television. I think it was A79
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: or 80.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: ABC was really good about.
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: Like, again, now it seems silly because they don't really
• 17:42
  Speaker 9: show movies on regular TV.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: It's not what it's for now.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: There was something more.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: But at the time, it was.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and there was something, I think, that, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: as a kid... There's something, I think, that was a
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: lot more.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: There was something a lot... What's the word I'm looking for?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: It was just more claustrophobic to be watching movies like
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that knowing that the entire world was asleep. I mean,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: good chance that everyone you knew, no one was up. Nowadays,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: it's different.
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: There's a live connection, too, which we don't get that
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: much now because we watch stuff streaming and we watch stuff.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: That we recorded.
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: But it is weird when you will have something that's
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: actually going on right then. It's a weird thing now.
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: I actually do like, oh yeah, this is on live
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: right now. It's so different than the way most people...
• 18:33
  Speaker 9: Because half the people I know don't even have cable now.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: They just watch stuff streaming.
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: So nothing is directly connected to them. It all comes
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: in recorded and posted. There's no live connection to anyone else.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Unless you also get on your net. Our culture is
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: very much... awake 24 hours a day now.
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And there used to be a time, and I think
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that's why horror doesn't have the same impact it used to,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: is because there isn't any alone time. There isn't a
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: time where you aren't without some kind of interface of
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: some sort, whether it's your phone or cable or the internet,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: where you immediately have access. Growing up in the 70s,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you didn't have that. When your mom and dad were
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: in bed, and your brother and sister were in bed,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and you were the only one up, you can guarantee
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that every single light out on that street was out.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: The world was yours at that point.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was nobody else. There were no 24-hour restaurants.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: There were no 24-hour drive-thrus. Everything was closed down. So
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in the case of watching a movie like Phantasm, the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: minute the tall man comes out at the end and says, boy,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and the mirror shatters and grabs Michael and pulls him
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: into the outer dimension, and the movie's over, There's... nowhere
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: for you to go as a kid. You're just like, well,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I have to go to bed now.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I'm screwed.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I can't like look at my phone or I can't like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you can't grab, you couldn't grab onto things.
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: You can't get on Facebook and be like, oh my God,
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: did you just see that thing? And then get 48
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: people interacting with you.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: It was just you.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: There was no other distraction other than the darkness. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: so I think it held more sway back then.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Whereas now things don't scare people unless it, unless it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: of a, completely human nature. I think that's the only,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the biggest horror now is the thing that you can't,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: there's trust, you know, and that's where a lot of
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: horror has gone nowadays or it's sort of retro grade
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: going back into like just cheeky, like, ah, it's a
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: slasher movie but, you know, nobody has cell phones. It's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the 70s.
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: And it's almost, because I thought, I commented on this recently, like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: it's really cool when we hit that era of self-aware
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: horror and now we've almost gone too far.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Into self-aware horror.
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: Like it's almost past the point of like, okay, you've
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: defeated the purpose of making this movie.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Now it's too self-aware.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: People don't know what isolation is like anymore. They have
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: no concept of isolation because there are no boundaries in society.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: You can, even the most lonely person can find solace
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: on a tablet or their cell phone. So they can
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: instantly just go into a thing full of light and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: information and They can go to cute.com and be fucking
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: completely swayed from whatever horror is happening. They don't know
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: complete isolation. So it's changed, you know?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, and focus.
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: We don't have focus. Again, when you were in the 70s,
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: that's what you did. You sat down and watched that movie.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: You didn't pick up your phone. You didn't check your messages.
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: You weren't on your laptop checking your email. You weren't
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: Facebooking with somebody in the middle of it. You weren't
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: live tweeting. You just sat down and watched that. Maybe
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: you made some popcorn, but that was it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: People don't do that now. It's rare.
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: Even myself, to the point I never put a movie
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: on unless that's what I'm going to do.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: TV is kind of on in the background, but movies
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: are different.
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: And I don't try to ever do other stuff while
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: I'm watching a movie because that's not watching it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I want to focus on the movie.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It's very rare that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Well, and also I think the content is very different.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I think that for filmmakers now, you can see that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: there's much stricter guidelines on content, not on what they
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: can show, but on the way the content's delivered. So
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you have this whole other system of, of checks and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: balances were back, back then, even in the fifties, you
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: could make a horror movie for almost no money and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the studio would back it and you could pretty much
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: make whatever you wanted.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: As long as it was showable. Um, now you have
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like eight different gates you have to go through. Um,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: What do you think the marketability of this movie is?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Do we have a demo range for it? We need
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to test it. We don't know if it's going to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: go into theaters. It might just go video on demand.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Can we sell it overseas? Like, that's a huge market.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Can you add this? Because the Chinese market needs to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: see this. This is what they think is scary. Can
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you change the theme? So back then, I mean, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: can guarantee you when Carpenter was producing Halloween, writing it
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and producing it, the studio was pretty much like, do
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you want. I'm sure that the mention
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: or who, I can't remember because I know it's Golden Globes,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: but it's like. The money men were like, is it scary? Yes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And his intention was, I want to scare the shit
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: out of people, not I want to make a cool
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: movie that's got a cool monster. He wanted to scare
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the shit out of you.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if they got it sometimes.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: Some of the ideas, when I think back at the time,
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: were so groundbreaking.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I really doubt any producer or any executive behind.
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: A desk really even got it. But they had faith
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: in the filmmaker. And they were like, if this guy
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: seems to know what he's doing... He's not asking for
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: a ton of money. Let's just have some faith and
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: give it to him.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Where I think that by the 80s disappeared.
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: They were like, what's our official return? What do we
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: know we're going to get back? How is our investment protected?
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: I think that disappeared.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: That's why I always.
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: And again, you seem to be pulling a lot from
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: the 70s stuff. I feel like that 70s era was
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: the most... freedom you ever had because you get out of, like,
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: the 50s and 60s restrictions as far as what you
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: can do, what you can show, but it's before the 80s, like,
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: noose sets in of, like, executives overly pre-programming every little thing.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So those art movies in the 70s are just that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Well, and also, I mean, the 80s was the golden
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: age of, you know, the, I think, well, not even that,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was the emancipation of the special effects artist.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: So.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you had this new found a way of expressing this
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: whole different industry that hadn't been used in the seventies.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Outside of the exorcist where all these effects houses sprung
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: up because all these movies were like, we can push
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the envelope. Now we can show what it looks like
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: when the head gets removed from your body. We can
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: make creatures, you know, out of latex and puppetry. We
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: can make all this blood and gore. And in a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, I mean, that for me, that was
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a great era. It was. But not for horror in
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the sense that, you know, horror and suspense are very different.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: You know, and horror to me isn't about gore or,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's, well, in definition, it's an
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: unyielding sense of dread. Yeah. That's the definition. It's not,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a horror movie to me isn't like a, a teenager
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: getting your tits cut off, that's just fucked up.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: It's just gore.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just gore.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Out and out, you know, shock value gore.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It's not horror, it's just terror. You know, it's just
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, get you to look over your
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: shoulder or it's victimization. Which works in its.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Own way, but it's a different thing.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying about the, well, yeah, not to
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: belittle the stuff in the 80s because we have amazing
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: properties that come out in the 80s, but I think
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: it changes.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Like you see, and almost like, again, there's freedom in
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the sense that we also had that straight to VHS market.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that got a lot more horror movies made that would
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: have never gotten made when it was.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You know. Oh, and they were great. I mean, there's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: great stuff in there.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And there's awesome stuff in there.
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: But I think it's just when you start to see,
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: and that's probably the beginning of it, you start seeing
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: somebody behind a desk going, oh, well, we can now
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: figure out how much money we can make by selling
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: it to the video stores after it leaves the theater.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Or what's the window in the dollar theater area before
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: it hits VHS?
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: You start seeing them work out these math problems.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I think we get.
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: Well into the 80s and we still have a good
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: amount of freedom, but it's like the fingers are tightening
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: around the neck.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And by the 90s, they'd sucked all the life out
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: And that's why you see such weird, restrictive movies that
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: came out in the 90s, especially in horror.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: They'd boiled down the demographic to teenagers as the money market.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And so they were basically creating light content for a
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: teenage market that would come and see it three or
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: four times.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And it became a checklist.
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: It's like, we have to have this, we have to
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: have this, we have to, you know, which, again, to
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: get our money back, we have to hit all these
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: points that the kids, in quotes, like, and like, it
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: became repetitive.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: It's, I mean, not that some of the 80s weren't
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: repetitive too, but.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It all goes in waves. I mean, you have, you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you have the, sort of the Mondo era of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: early 70s, which took off and then everything had to
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: be like, kind of found footage or gritty, you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Last House on the Left.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: I think they just were. Like, again, I don't know
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: that any of those guys were trying for that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It's just the.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: Concept of, yeah, the concept of gritty is just innate
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Like you can't do it. Well,
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: they tried to polish it up and people were just like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: what is this?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: So like it, it just needs to be part.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Of that story. He said he wanted it to be
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: like a found footage movie. He wanted it to be like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: You found a bunch of reels of 8mm cans and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: put them on, and this is what happened. So, I mean,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: there was a purpose to it. And then you get
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: into the mid-' 70s where you start getting into the first-person victim.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: The minute that young Michael Myers puts on that mask
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and you see things through the first person, it's the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: first time that it had ever been done, really, in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a mainstream film, where you're looking through the killer's eyes.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I always give credit. Nobody ever remembers Black Christmas. That
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: was a couple years before. But I'm like, I think...
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Very true, very true.
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: I give Bob Clark so much credit because I feel
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: like that's such a cool and weird and groundbreaking.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: It's also like, it's not a conventional horror. It does
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: kind of play more like a thriller.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's got everything in it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's got.
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: A slasher angle and it does that usual ending of
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: most 70s movies.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: It's the first movie to deal with abortion as a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: major topic.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: I think that, again, I think he was a... amazing
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: director that doesn't really get credit. Like, he's all over the.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Map for the stuff that he made.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: His big studio pictures were the things that he gets
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: known for, but I mean, he did some great stuff.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I love Black Christmas.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: It was the polar opposite of Children Shouldn't Play With
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Dead Things, which is a garbage heap, but it's fun
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to watch if you're high. But no, you're right, you're right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think what Halloween did, though, for that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: is that it really took that into the mainstream.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it took it to a whole new place.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And it put you in the killer's place.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Where you really felt like you were part of the murder.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And so it really, the minute that movie starts, it
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: just jostles the audience into sort of being complicit. And that's,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think, when that whole subgenre of, like, women in
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: peril movies started. He knows you're alone when a stranger calls.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: They're a fucking driller killer. Everything that came out around
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that period. Maniac. Oh, God. William Lustig's Maniac. I still
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: haven't watched it all the way through because it's just
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: so mean.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Slumber party. It's so.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Fucking mean spirited. But there's that whole era of women
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: in peril. And then it went to teenagers in peril. Yeah.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: You know, that kind of led. That all went up
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to like, you know, 78 or 79 when Friday the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: 13th came out. Which was like a tentpole picture.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: It's good in its own way, but it takes it
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: a different direction that I think then gets beat to
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: death by the time we get to the multiple, multiple,
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: usually straight to VHS things that come out in its wake.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I saw it opening weekend when my grandfather took me
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to see it because Tom Savini did the effects. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: so I had to convince him that I know it's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: going to be super scary and gory and I'm 10
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: years old, but I need to see it because I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: have to see what Tom Savini's doing. The fact that you.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Were 10 years old and knew Tom Savini says a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: lot about you.
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  Speaker 1: So he muscled through it. But I always, you know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: in retrospect, I loved it because it was a big
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: budget Hollywood picture.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's still, I mean, the cinematography is beautiful. It's gorgeous
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to look at. It's got a crazy great soundtrack that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: just seems to work for that movie. I mean, every
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: sting and everything in it just sort of fits so well.
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I mean that the killer is Betsy Palmer is great.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's what I was going to say.
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: It actually does sort of almost have a leftover seventies
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: feel because it doesn't end like all the slashers that
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: would then come after it. It ends like a weird,
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: you didn't see this come in 70. Like that, that's
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: my thing with like, and I was going to see
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: if you feel that way, like there is this weird
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: maneuver in seventies film that is just like, and then
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: this happens and we're done.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Like, and it became a thing that sleep away camp
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: is the, I mean, everybody always talks about that last
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: scene with Angela, but it's like... Jesus. It's also the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: dumbest ending in a movie ever.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: It's not even an ending, really. It's just like... Well,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: like all of them. It's just like... But there was
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: like a whole run.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. It's actually... It's a girl with a penis.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, we're all still a little disturbed by
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: that scene. Mostly her face.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: More than the junk. It's Angela's face.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: The junk's not impressing anybody, but the face is disturbing
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: as hell.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, in today's progressive... transpositive society, that movie probably... Oh, you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Couldn't even begin to make that now. People would lose
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: their minds. But it's funny how much that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: It's one of those things that kind of sneaks up
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: on people, and it's only the horror fans that are
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: drawn to that. Because it is one of those normal
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: people probably wouldn't have watched that movie, but all the
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: little horror geeks that came up at that time, it's
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: that defining moment of like, oh my God, have you
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: seen Sleepaway Camp? And it becomes our little club. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: we're like, dude, you have to watch this movie. It
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: is funny how much that horror fan base.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Has grown over the years.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so crazy.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: But we all have that same connecting. And it doesn't
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: really matter how old you are. If it's ingrained in
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: who you are, the first time you've seen Halloween is
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: the first time you see Halloween. If it's now or then,
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: it's still so effective, it doesn't matter.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: For years, that movie was harder for me to watch because... Again,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it deals with those themes of compartmentalization and isolation, where
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you don't know where the killer's at. You can't move
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: fast enough. There's no rhyme or reason, so you can't...
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: When you remove reason completely, that's where real horror comes in.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: There's literally no character to who he is, and so
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that's what makes it the most terrifying.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say.
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: That's what I think is still so genius about that movie,
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: and maybe that more than any was the fact that
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: it also makes him so generalized. And the way that
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: they describe him, he's not Michael Myers through.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Most of that movie. He's the boogeyman.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: And the boogeyman is that that's such a boring little town.
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: It's any town USA, literally. So he could be coming
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: to get you. Like as you're a kid watching it,
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: you're like, oh shit, this is like my house. This
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: is like me on Halloween. Somebody could be coming to
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: kill me.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And Donald Pleasance, I mean, he sums it up so well.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: His own doctor is like looking into, his eyes were empty.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: There was nothing there.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Which, again, I mean, the more and more we find
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: out about real crime.
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: At the time, I guess we didn't know that much,
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: but now that's all they do is, like, real crime shows.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: And you realize, that's a real thing. Like, there are
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: people that are just pure evil.
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: And, like, it's a little more disturbing as you realize, oh, yeah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: it's not a fictional thing.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: People are horrible.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: When the devil is too busy And death's a bit
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: too much They.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: Call on me by name, you see Oh, my special touch.
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  Speaker 1: To the gentlemen, I'm misfortune.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: To the ladies, I'm surprise.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But call me by any name.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Anyway, it's all the same.
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: I'm the fly in your suit.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I'm the petal in your shoe.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: I'm the thief in your bed.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: I'm the bump on every head.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I'm the peel on which you slip.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: I'm the pit in every head.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm the thorn in your side. Makes you wriggle and cry.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: And it's so easy when you're evil. This is the
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: life you see. The devil tips his hat to me.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: I do it all because I'm evil.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And I do it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: All for free.
• 35:03
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• 35:39
  Speaker 11: This is Walter Kryptite down here in the tombs with
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: a sensational new film discovery, Orville the Awful. As you know,
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  Speaker 11: Orville, is it true that you were dead for ten
• 35:52
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Walter.
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: I was in underground films. What kind of films?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Mostly dirty pictures.
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: I see, Orville. You know, not all of the critics
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: liked your performance. In fact, some thought you stunk. Well,
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: it was a rotten part. Orville, you're a smash hit
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  Speaker 1: you understand.
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  Speaker 11: Well, keep a stiff upper lip, Orville. You could keep
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  Speaker 1: I'm listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 8: It's part of your problem, you know.
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  Speaker 12: And now, on with the show.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Don't you want to be evil like me?
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Don't you want to be mean?
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Don't you want to make.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Mischief your daily life?
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: Well, and you just clued into the, I think, the
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: other reason that modern horror is so.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: It's so underwhelming now for people because, in all honesty,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you're saturated on all sides. You are surrounded by 24
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: hours a day of just actual horror. From war, famine,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: political assassinations, police violence. Hey, how about 48 hours?
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: Well, I was going to say, not even the horrors
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: of the real world, like war and violence, but just
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: the fact that on mainstream network television.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: At 10 o'clock, they.
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: Do an entire recreation of something that should be the
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: plot of a horror movie. But it's just something that
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: happens hundreds and hundreds of times a year. Week after week,
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: they recreate.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: It on national television for kids to sit there and watch.
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: And the fact that it's real makes it a little
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: more disturbing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: So I guess we go into horror. and we're like, whatever.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you have forensic files on, I think,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: now like five hours a night. I mean, there's more
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: horror in a half hour of forensic files than there
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: has been on screen in 20 years.
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: Well, and that every network, hour long show was just
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: I just referred to them as the dead people shows
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: like it was all CSI and homicide and like they
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: were all just like the story about this dead body
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: that we find at the beginning of the episode and
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: like that's an hour of television right there over and
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: over and over.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: That's the problem see I think that I think that
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: what's happened with modern cinema is that they have moved
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: away from the concept of horror I think they confuse
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: murder with horror yeah and murder is not what scares
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: people what scares people is the unknown What scares people
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: is what's beyond the veil. That's what fucking scares people.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're so desensitized by everything now. And murder's
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: not scary. When you go see a movie that they're like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: it's a horror movie, and it's a dude who's kidnapped somebody,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and he's got heads in a basket, and he's fucking
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: made things out of skin. Nobody gives a shit. In fact,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: if nothing else, they're just weirdly titillated by it. Because
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: they're like, ooh, I like that effect, or I saw
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a human head. Ooh, isn't that grotesque? But it's not,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: they're going to go home that night and it's not
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: going to scare them. I mean, I, you know, in
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: parts of the conjuring, I really liked because it was
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: kind of skip, but overall I was like, again, they
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: just tried to do that explosive thing where they amp
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it up to 10. Yeah. You know what scares me?
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: What scares me more? I mean, here's a choice. What
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: scares you more? The thought that someone is standing over
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: behind you while you're trying to sleep or watching you sleep.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Or the sound of a closet door slowly opening by
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: itself for minutes on end. Because what happens is your
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: imagination takes over. And when you don't see the thing
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that scares you, your mind is the thing that fills
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: in all the fucking blanks. And this, your brain, your
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: brain is capable of far more horrifying things in your
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: imagination than anything we can ever see.
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: And Because, again, your brain can't recreate that for anybody else.
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: It works for you because it knows what's so deep-rooted
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: scares you that it fills it in with the worst
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: possible stuff that only works in your brain.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: It's a weird little game.
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: That your brain is doing that only works on your
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: own defective brain.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I love Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but I'll tell you, as
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: an adult, the thing that I can still watch that movie,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and I love it, because now, as a grown-up, I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: go to the things they don't show you on screen,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and not the murder. The thing that scares me is,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: what were those people doing when the cameras weren't on?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you think.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: Before the van drives up, what the hell was going
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: on in that house?
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Like, what do they do on their off hours?
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: That's what fucking terrifies me, is they're like.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: The other face makes furniture.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, they're literally like comics that don't
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: stop talking. They're always on. They have to always be on.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And so... That is just fucking terrifying to me. That's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: way more terrifying than making chili out of people. It's like, just,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: they have to stay entertained some way.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: That's where all those dead bodies come from. And again,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that's probably how that stuff usually goes.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Leatherface has to take a shit probably twice a day.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: He's a human being. What's that bathroom like?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It's not near as engaging as it is.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: No.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants, well, there's some people that probably do want that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm sure that he doesn't just sit down
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: on the toilet. That's the kind of guy that throws
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: his shit on the wall while he's screaming.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I hope he reads, really. I don't think he can.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: The New Yorker.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the New Yorker out. No, I imagine
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the fucking.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: He's laughing at the comics. The kitty, look at him.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I imagine every time that guy goes into a bathroom,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: his poor brother has to go in afterwards just screaming
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: dog dick while he cleans dog shit or... Leatherface shit
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: off the walls because he's a giant baby man. That
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: to me, like my imagination would fill in all those
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: places and I think that that's what's missing from, it's
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: what's missing from horror is nobody's created anything recently that's like,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that's really grabbed onto me and, and made me think
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: later on. That's really stayed with me. I mean, jump scares,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: who gives a fuck? Give me something that, give me something.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Again, those are beaten to death.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Give me something that permeates the very fabric of my
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: belief system. We had like, the exorcist did.
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: I think, I think a lot of what, what awesome
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: things that came with, with all the cool improvements in
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: latex and blood and makeup in the eighties also took
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: away that element of like, just not showing things because that's,
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: So amazing. And that's kind of like a good example,
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: I think, is Babadook. I think is really effective.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: It's a great movie.
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: But it's probably more effective in the first half because
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: you're just imagining everything.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: And by the end, it's still cool.
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: I like what they do and they are telling a
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: different story by the time you get to the end.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: But.
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: We've discussed that on the show before. It might have
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: been cooler had they never shown anything. Everything was left
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: to our imagination.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: It does fall apart a little bit at the end
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: It just changes.
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: It's a different type of movie than what you thought
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: you were knee deep in the first two thirds.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: It becomes a different movie. Which again is still effective.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I still like what it does. It just changes.
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: But another recent I liked what they did with It Follows.
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: Because it brought nothing but paranoia into it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And it is one of those, like, they don't really
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: even have to show a monster. It's anybody. It's everybody.
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: And it adds, it kind of goes back to that, like,
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: 70s and 80s thing of, like, what it started doing with, like,
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: Friday the 13th, which, you know. The worst possible thing
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: you can do as a teenager on Friday the 13th
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: is have sex or do drugs because you're going to die.
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: So this one is telling you, okay, what's the worst
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: thing you can do? Oh, go sleep with everybody, anybody,
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: or you're going to die. It's telling you to do
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: everything your parents have been telling you not to do.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Don't go have sex with a whole bunch of people. Oh, wait, no.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: If you want to survive, go have sex with somebody.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I don't care who the hell it is. Well, and
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: it's definitely an STD metaphor.
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: But I did love that movie because I loved that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: when you leave the theater, it makes you look at
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: every single person on the street.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And again, the return of a really good theme. Yeah.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: That theme is awesome.
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: Oh, God.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: The soundtrack is amazing. I have it, and I love it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: It's great digitally. It's better on vinyl when you're cleaning
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the house. It's so good. I mean, I'm excited to
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: see The Witch. That looks like a movie that I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: just want to see because it just looks like a great, weird,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: heavy period horror. I mean, I love supernatural shit like that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: And you don't know what, again, you don't really know
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: what you're getting yourself into. Like watching that trailer, there
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: were like two times when I went, oh, it's gonna
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: be about, no.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like midway in, I'm like, another scene comes up.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I guess it's gonna be about no, wait,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: what exactly is this movie?
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And then, the witch.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, that still doesn't really.
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: Answer, which is the way a trailer should work, is
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: you should go in not 100% sure what you're about to.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: See, which is not normally how they do it. I
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: like that, you know, there's so many themes that haven't
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: been touched. I mean, I loved Ben Wheatley's kill list.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Because it's so goddamn unnerving.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: One you did not see where.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Well, and it takes that, okay, it takes what I
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like to call the eyes wide shut syndrome. Which is
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: in an otherwise fucking tepid movie, the minute that that
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: goddamn whole Bohemian Grove thing happens, that movie turns into
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: a horror movie.
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: And it is brilliant.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: And what's brilliant about it is it was like that
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: the whole.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Time and you didn't know it. And that's why it's
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: so masterfully.
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: Put together because you're like... Okay, that was a bullshit
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: turn at the end there.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: What the hell? And then you go back and rewatch
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: it and you're like, oh no.
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: Every step of the way, it's all spelling it out
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: for you. And you just went in so blind. You
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: were like, oh, and they're these hit men. And you're
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: watching an entirely different movie than the horror movie you didn't.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Know you were getting. It's great. Yeah, it's impressive.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I had a, and I'm going to name drop, but
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I did a show with Anthony Cheselnik. It happened to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: be on. He was coming down to work out. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I'd never met the guy. I had met him once,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: but we didn't talk. But I got to meet him
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: and hang out for a few minutes, and he was
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: talking about how he's just getting into French horror. And
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I saw Martyrs. It was really fucked up.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: And I was like, it's a great movie to watch once.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Have you seen Frontiers? And have you seen Inside? And
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: he hadn't seen Inside yet. And I was like, you've
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: got to see Inside. I think that's out of that
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: trio of really good French, like, Grand Guignol-style movies. That's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a great one. And then I go, but if you really...
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: want to take it to the next level just watch
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: a Serbian film and he's like everybody tells me it's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: fucked and I'm like but here's the thing it's not
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a horror movie it's a comedy it's an incredibly brutal
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: it is the darkest comedy that's ever been filmed you
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: have to approach it that way and then you realize
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: that it is a it's a horrific metaphor on Serbian
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: society and their porn industry and how their economy is
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: propped up on it and If you approach it as
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: a comedy, then you can relax and get into it.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: If you walk into it as a horror movie, it's
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: going to fucking break your brain.
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Because it's not a horror movie. That's the worst things
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: people can do to each other.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Just yeah it's just a parade of horrible things like
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: so you think I should watch it I mean take
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: it in chunks but watch it I go you're like
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: the blackest comic that you know like if I think
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: you would get I think that you would get that.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: This is a comedy but it's a comedy for people
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: who have the same kind of palette that you have
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: yeah Very fucking dark and you can't share it with anybody.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You can't go, hey, watch this movie. You have to
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: keep it inside like you hit a fucking kid and
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: you buried him. You hit a kid with your car
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: and you didn't call the cops. You just threw him
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: behind a tree and drove away. It's that kind of
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: secret where you're like, I got to tell you something
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: out of pure trust. I think you can appreciate this.
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: Or you just inflict it on your enemies.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: You're like, you know a good movie you should watch?
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Get the family together. A Serbian film. You'll have grandma
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: all over to get the kids.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like, if you like Pixar, it's Serbia's Pixar.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: It's totally. First off, it's going to look super real,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: but it's photorealism. They do it on, it's like the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: newest technology. It starts out as kind of a family drama.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: It's a little, I mean, it's a little more adult
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, but it's because they have a different
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: palette than we do. But man, oh man, does it
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: have the sweetest ending.
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: The baby, it's kind of like baby's day out. When
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: the baby comes in, it's exactly what your whole family needs.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: So try that for- Start with the little one.
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: Well, what's the, I guess, are there any other recent
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: ones that you think have kind of broke?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Cause that's the thing.
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: I think we get to a point where we're so there's,
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: there's almost too much now. Like there's so much stuff
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: that I actually, I just, I try not to click
• 50:51
  Speaker 9: on those constant lists that come up on, on everything
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: on the internet. But there was one that was like
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: underrated horror films and it was knocking out like 15
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: and I think 10 or 11 I hadn't heard of
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: and they were like in the last 5 or 6
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: years and I'm like that's too much.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: We're losing really good movies because there's so.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Much out there people are trying too hard to create
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: content because that's where the media dollar now is driven
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: towards content delivery so everybody's got to be making stuff
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: and they're trying to make the same things as quickly
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: as possible so they can all cash in on the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: backside of the thing that just made $ 10, this thing's
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: got to make at least $ 9. So I think that,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's reaching a fever pitch where it has
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to level out. Because I'll look at bloody disgusting year-end
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: lists that everybody puts together, like most overrated, most underrated,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: movies on Netflix that nobody's watching. 90% of it is
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: dog shit. And the only reason that we like it
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: is because it's not the worst thing we've seen. So
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, man, you've got to see this movie.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: It's not terrible. Well, it's not a fucking good thing.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Bone Tomahawk, fucking amazing.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not know what I was getting myself.
• 52:04
  Speaker 9: Again, because I think it was sold more to me
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: because I went in way more impressed with what a
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: straight Western it was. Like I think I'd heard such
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: hype about it as being just, and I never had
• 52:15
  Speaker 9: it pinpointed.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: It was just, it's different.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It's like something else.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: It's a Western.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: And I got in and like three fourths of it
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: is just a straightforward Western.
• 52:23
  Speaker 9: And then you get the extra little weird angle, but
• 52:26
  Speaker 9: I'm just like, I was so impressed, especially once I
• 52:29
  Speaker 9: got into a little, like you watch some of that stuff.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: On the DVD and I'm like, They had zero budget,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: and it looks great.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: It looks amazing.
• 52:37
  Speaker 9: The effects with everything else that come in are great.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: It is so well done.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Just the goddamn scream.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: The weird, yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: Again, that's something that's just kind of original. People kept
• 52:49
  Speaker 9: asking him. They were like, well, did you take that
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: from them? They all assumed it was from some sort
• 52:53
  Speaker 9: of historical thing.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to spoil anything, but birthing torsos. That's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: all I'm going to say.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Well, that was my.
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: Like, they kept trying to connect it to real stories
• 53:03
  Speaker 9: in history. And he was like, yeah, don't look too
• 53:05
  Speaker 9: far into it.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I made all this up. And I was like, that's
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: kind of impressive. But I'm like.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Well, he based it on the Sonny Bean clan. I mean,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what he was going for.
• 53:12
  Speaker 9: But I think it was not... Like, everybody wanted all
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: those specifics to be from somewhere. And he was just like...
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: He just came up with good ideas and, like, spun
• 53:21
  Speaker 9: them into this big thing.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Goddamn troglodytes. I wish more.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: People would do that kind of stuff. Because, again, it's just.
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: effective storytelling and finding a good way to work it
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: into a structure that works.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Cast is amazing. I mean, everybody was so good.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: The Matthew Fox.
• 53:39
  Speaker 9: I did not ever see that coming out of him.
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: The Kurt Russell is amazing, but he's Kurt Russell. He
• 53:46
  Speaker 9: can walk into a Western and be fine.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: He can just clock in.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Matthew Fox. It's just this charismatic....
• 53:54
  Speaker 9: And doesn't even seem like any version of him I've
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: ever seen before. I got a couple of minutes in
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: and went, is that him? Is he somewhere else and
• 54:04
  Speaker 9: this is a different guy?
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: At first he comes off as a dandy and then
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: you realize that he's got more edge than a sharpened spoon.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: He's an out-and-out killer and he's just found a good
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: way to disguise it because it's the way he is.
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: Otherwise civilized, but he's grown up with a really weird
• 54:25
  Speaker 9: little past, and he's found his outlet for it over
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: the years.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an amazing performance.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. I mean, I
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: still go back and watch Session 9. I love a lot,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: which was an accidentally good movie.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I love that. Again, yeah, if you watch the stuff
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: they cut out, it messes.
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: Up that movie.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it would have been a disaster.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: The way that it.
• 54:45
  Speaker 9: Works is the way they went, oh, wait, let's... And again,
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: I don't know how much they knew it was going
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: to turn out better. But looking at it now, it's
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: like it's perfect now.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: All that other stuff doesn't work.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: It still unnerves me. There's so many parts of that
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: movie that I go back and watch it, and it's
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: just unnerving how it sets itself up. And the whole
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: concept of possession, That movie just knocks it out of
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: the park because it just seems like the most hopeless, terrifying,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: helpless thing that can ever happen. You're just completely out
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: of your own control. The minute he pulls his broken
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: cell phone out and tries to dial his dead wife,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck me. building.
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: That's why I was going to, because I kind of,
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: like everybody that comes from different areas.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Did you guys have a version of that? Because we
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: had a version of it here.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: We didn't have.
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: Everybody seems like they have a broken down hospital that
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: people aren't supposed to go.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: To for a reason. We had a high school that
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: was called Martha Splatterhead that the band Accused kind of
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: nicknamed it that. It was kind of a haunted high school.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: And we had a sanitarium, but it wasn't anywhere near
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: like that. I mean, you had places like that in
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the Midwest and the East Coast, where a lot of
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the more exorbitant, huge hospitals were. We didn't have a
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: lot of that on the West Coast.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had Waverly here, which has been shut down
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: for years.
• 56:08
  Speaker 9: And is now nationally known as one of the most
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: haunted places. But before they started running tours and stuff
• 56:15
  Speaker 9: of it, I remember hearing about it because.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: It's one of those places.
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: All the kids wanted to go sneak and break into
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: and they had guys on the property that would shoot
• 56:24
  Speaker 9: your ass if you were in the property.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: So it's like it was scary for real.
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: World reasons as these crazy rednecks are waiting to shoot
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: you if you're breaking into their property. So again, I
• 56:34
  Speaker 9: heard about it from there and then learned more about
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: it from the other angle. So it's like so many
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: levels of don't go there.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing about that movie. I mean,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: you saw the making of as well. Oh, yeah. But
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: it was a condemned building.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: And it's gone now.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: There were parts of that building they were just told, like,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: you can't even go into it because it is literally
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: filled with asbestos. So how ironic is it that you're
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: making this movie?
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: It's not a joke in the movie. It really was
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: filled with asbestos.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's dangerous as hell.
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: But yeah, that on so many levels kind of works
• 57:04
  Speaker 9: because I think it works as a haunted house movie
• 57:07
  Speaker 9: for most of it. And then you get midway in
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: and you're like, oh shit, this is a whole different thing.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: And like, yeah, that's just effective.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: And it's just got, I mean, it's got a, I mean,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I think the ending of the movie is just, it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: this sad, gorgeous cadenza to everything where the last line
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: is just, I live in the weak and the willing.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: And that's, it all just sort of backs up to
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie. It's where you see him
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: sort of like give into this thing that he was
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: already feeling, you know, he was already willing and weak
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: at the beginning. And that's, how he was so susceptible.
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: And you really, yeah, you realize just what all is
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: going on and, and it's kind of both.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Like it is, cause that's the thing.
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: People want to argue whether it's like, it's a, it's
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: a ghost movie or it's a possession movie or it's a,
• 57:53
  Speaker 9: you know, just a crazy killer.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's kind of all of them.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: It's all of those things.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Because it, because of how it works.
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: It like, it hits everything it needs to hit effectively
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: as a viewer, but also from the story standpoint, it
• 58:05
  Speaker 9: kind of is all of them. Like it's, It's so
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: well done. And yeah, I know people that just don't
• 58:11
  Speaker 9: like it. And I'm like, you're missing it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: You're missing how amazing it is.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: It's gorgeous and sad. It's so goddamn sad. I mean,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: that poor guy is literally, he's a real victim. When
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: you watch him just trying to keep his shit together.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: And when you know what the turn is near the
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: end of the movie, you're just like, oh, this poor asshole.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: And it's all locked at that point. And everybody that
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: got taken out with him.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: But just that, that's horror. Horror is dread. Horror is
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: a sense of just unyielding dread. There's no, nothing good
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: is going to come of this. And the unknown, you know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: that to me is so much more unsettling and something
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you take with you at the end of the experience,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: which I think is why horror is good. I think
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: that's why it's helpful is because it does help you
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: reconcile how to feel those things or how to deal
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: with those things. Or, I mean, you know, death is permanence.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: We're always dealing with that. I mean, we're always going
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: to deal with our mortality, but we live in a
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: world where they filled our heads with all kinds of
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: magic and spiritualism that may or it's not real. But
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: it's created this second level of belief system that allows us...
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Now we have to reconcile it because now you're from birth.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: You're given doubt. You're given the gift of doubt. What
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: if it's wrong?
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: What if this is right?
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: What if I'm wrong? What if this is real?
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, all of that.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: And so that opens up that now you have to have...
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I think horror in a lot of ways is very
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: healthy because it helps you reconcile those questions sometimes.
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: So.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you know, when the curtain is finally drawn at some point,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: you know, you're able to sort of maybe go, oh, okay,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I can deal with the worst that humanity has or
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I can deal with the end of things because at
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: least this didn't fucking happen. You know, at least I'm
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: not filled with demons yet.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: Give it time.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just, I think it's, I think
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff's very healthy. I mean, I think
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, horror is even better for
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: you than comedy because once you, once you're able to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: face down a fear, it makes living so much easier.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: There's two kinds of ways to live. You can either
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: whistle past the graveyard or you can walk confidently past it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: The guy that's whistling is usually scared shitless. I, on
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the other hand, am like, oh, well, death is real
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: and nobody comes back from it. So I guess we're okay.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Because I know that movies are fake and I know
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: that zombies are fake and also you can't have a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: fucking zombie apocalypse. That can't happen because even if the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: dead did come back, They can't walk for more than
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: two days because blood and gravity will take out their feet.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: You're ruining these scenarios.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: It's great. I think it's great.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: We're building an entire franchise around this.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: How is it every time in The Walking Dead they
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: hit some zombie in the head with a pickaxe and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: just fucking blood shoots everywhere? I'm like, you realize gravity's
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: a thing. They're dead. Their heart doesn't beat. You've already
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: clearly established their heart doesn't beat. How is there blood
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: in their face? There's no blood in their face. All
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: of the blood would just go to your legs and pool.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: I'm assuming if we have to get real.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: After two days, their skin on their feet would just
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: explode into viscera. And then there would be nothing but
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: exposed bone. And over time, over a couple of days,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: that bone is going to become incredibly brittle. And they
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: won't be able to put any weight on it because
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: they don't have any musculature. That's been torn out with
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: their Achilles heel the minute their legs explode. This is
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: a real thing. Literally, zombie apocalypse, four days tops. All
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you have to do is just.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: You just have to wait it out?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Just wait it out and then just walk over fucking
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: dead bodies. And they'll be dead pretty... They'll literally be
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: completely dead because once the blood is out of their body,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: there's no liquid in them, which means they will dehydrate very,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: very quickly. And then there's nothing. There's literally no bacteria
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: can live in a piece of dehydrated meat.
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  Speaker 9: This is at least giving more hope to the zombie apocalypse.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: When it happens, you just got to find a good
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: place to hide.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Out for about a week. Now, what I am terrified
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: of is the fucking illiterate idiot apocalypse. That's what I'm
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: scared of.
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  Speaker 2: That's upon us.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is coming down like, goddamn, it's coming down
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: like a rain fire. It's the worst thing I've ever seen.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Just the fact that rapper B.O.B. is on the internet
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: arguing that the earth is flat. Here's a picture, man.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: It ain't got no curve to it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Magnets. How does it work?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, do me a favor. Do me a favor.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: If you think the earth is flat, instead of arguing
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: with everybody, why don't you prove you're right by just
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: walking off the edge of it, you fucking idiot. Just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: keep walking.
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  Speaker 2: We'll call you back if we need you.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: If it's flat, you're either going to go upside down
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: or you're going to fall off the edge. Because, I mean,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: at that point, there's an edge, right? So just stand
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: on the edge.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Wave to us for when you get there.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Or would it be weird if you just kept walking
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and then eventually just came back to where you started
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: a year later?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: And you're like, that's crazy talk.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I guess the edge must be somewhere else. Sorry,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I must have walked this way, not this way.
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  Speaker 2: You and your science.
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  Speaker 8: I know.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: B.O.B. Bring your own brain.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. Well, we've hit a few
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: newer ones. I wanted to, again, since you seem pretty
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: steeped in old.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: Stuff, too, what are some good older horror that maybe
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 9: people haven't?
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  Speaker 2: Some lesser known ones, maybe.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, man.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. There's some stuff that I really love.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm a Fultry fan. If you want
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: fun gore and you loved Romero's Zombies, then first off,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: watch Zombie. That's a great movie. And also, the effects
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: are so good. And the soundtrack is goofy. Italian horror
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: is like one of my favorite things. Shockwaves. I still
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: love Shockwaves.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Shockwaves is, you know, it's underwater zombies. It was Hitler's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: submarine commandos who could survive underwater even after death. And
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: they all come back to life. It's the best. It's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: so good. And it's just creepy. The zombies are great.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Anytime you can work Nazis into a horror movie.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: So much better than fucking Frankenstein's army. That piece of garbage. Like,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: that was great. Oh, okay. Unnerving horror. I think Devil's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Reign I still love. I think that's a great movie.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And it's got the best ending. It's so great. Everybody melting.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: It's so great. You get to see Shatner melt. And
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: you get to see John Travolta melt.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: We've all been waiting for that.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: You get to see Travolta's eyes pop out of his head.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I think that happened, but it was just from surgery.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I loved, let's see, I'm trying to think, like, 60s horror,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, all the anthology stuff is still, like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: the BBC Tales from the Crypt that came out in, like,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: 68 or 69. Vault of Horror. The... Oh, God, let's see. Ah, there's, like,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: two more. Oh, Asylum. I love Asylum. I like some
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: of the cannibal horror that came out in the late 60s,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: early 70s. There's so much of it. I love Z-grade,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: like black and white horror. I love old monster movies
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: from the 60s. Especially the shit that wasn't for kids.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: The shit they were trying to make for adults.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: The drive-in scene became its own special thing.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I would say, if there are movies that I want
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: to watch... that I want to actually sit down and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: watch that I like, okay, I'm going to go over
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: to my library of things that I own that I
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: haven't sold or things that I want to keep because
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I love them. It's going to be the reanimator. It's
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: going to be from beyond. It's going to be brainiac.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: It's going to be brain eaters. It's going to be,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: let's see, it would probably be basket case, which I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: still love. I love the original one because it's gritty
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: and weird and you just don't know where it's going
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: It's like a long form Ramones video, you know?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: It is very strange, especially for that time.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Phantasm. Phantasm is one of my, it's like canon for me.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: The first and second Halloween movies. But like, if it
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: was weirder, older shit, Mondo Cain is just, wrong. It's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: just wrong, but it's a, it's a great movie. A Hannibal,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: a cannibal Holocaust.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: So many levels.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: But it's so good. It's so well done. And it's
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: one of the first found footage movies.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: In that, that, you know, if you, it's, which now
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: we've beaten to death.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 9: But again, I can watch even like, again, I think Blair,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: which was groundbreaking for what it was doing. Now I
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 9: wish they'd stop making those, but yeah, it, that format
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: can be really cool or it could.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: At one time.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Eyes without a face. Um, don't look now oh yeah
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: that's don't look now is so.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Good I'm still kind of disturbed by that oh god.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: The last five minutes of that movie still fucks with
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: me it's all.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 9: Just creepy like the whole time through I wasn't even
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: sure what was going on but I'm like.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: There is such a creepy tone to.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 9: This whole damn movie and then again that fuck you
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: 70s ending it was just like that's all they did
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 9: at that point.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: The sentinel I was just reading an interview with the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: author of the sentinel he's talking about writing the screenplay
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and getting it made, and all of the horrific shit
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: that happened from the time he started writing the book
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: and working on the screenplay, it's bone-chilling. He has an
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: account of all of this stuff that was going on,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the supernatural shit that was happening while he was writing it,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: that he was, because he wasn't intent on writing it,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: he just had this idea, and then he moved to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: this building and had all of this shit happen that's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: very much note for note in the book. Like the,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: the noises upstairs, the loud neighbors when he goes to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the landlord and he's like, if you don't tell him
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: to stop, I'm going to tell him to stop. And
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: the landlord's like, that whole floor above you is empty.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been, nobody lives there. And he's like, dude,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: every night at like the same time. And the landlord's like,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: nobody lives there. And there's nobody has access to that apartment.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: No one's lived up there for like 20 years. So
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: it's so great. The Sentinel I love because it, uh,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: that last 15 minutes of the movie, It gets surreal. Again,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: it's a fuck you 70s ending.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: That's what they did.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. One that I fell in love with again
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: all over from the beginning and I loved it. It's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: a movie that it's awful. It's so poorly done and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: it's such a rip-off. But for some reason, every time
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I watch it, I feel like there's something evil in
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: the film and it's, uh, beyond the door, beyond the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: door is an Italian exorcist knockoff, uh, But I think,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: first off, the first five minutes in the movie are
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: brilliant and just pull you in. And then it is
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: just awful production value. Terrible acting. Bad voiceover. Bad VO
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: work the whole way. But the woman who plays the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: main character who's being possessed is so convincing and so
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: fucking scary. And her progression is scary. And there's some
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: scenes in that movie where you're just holding on to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: something because you just can't. You're like, am I seeing it?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Your brain just isn't ready for that kind of information.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: And as much as they tried to copy it, I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable watching it because I always feel like
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: there's something in the film that's just going to manifest
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: itself in the room. Very unsettling. That's disturbing, yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: If you can get that out of your horror movie.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: That's impressive. It's just unhealthy, but it's also a dumb movie.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: But there's just parts to it where you're like, I
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be playing this in my house, because something's going
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: to come out of this. Something malevolent is in the film,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: and I don't like it.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: That's impressive, if you can do that with your horror movie.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Here's another great, speaking of malevolence, Anguish. Anguish, I love.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen Anguish, it stars the little woman
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: from Poltergeist, whose name escapes me right now.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Zelda Rubinstein?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, Zelda Rubinstein.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: A movie within a movie within a movie. It is
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: an incredibly meta concept where it's teenagers watching a movie,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: but that movie is actually happening in real time. So
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: while they're sitting in the theater, they're watching a movie
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: that's literally happening where the characters are actually interacting in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: real time.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just making a list because now I need
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: to see that.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Angus is amazing, and it's all about the eyes. It's
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: all about eyes. It's great. Okay.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Demons, or not Mario Bava, Black Sunday, but it's produced
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: by him. But Demons and Demons 2, those are just
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: balls-out fun. Those are great.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 9: It's hitting that whole new level of just ridiculous horror,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: but it's so much fun.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: It takes place in a movie theater, and it's so fun.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: And by the way, the Demons are fucking terrifying. Anguish,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: and then this is one that I don't think a
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: lot of people have seen, but it's still one of
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: my favorites. And it is called Whites of the Eyes.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Or Whites of the Eye. And it stars David Keith.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Is it American?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: It stars David Keith. It was a small production. He
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: plays a guy who has... He's a stereo designer. And
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: he designs personal stereo systems for.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: This is 70s.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: No, this is in the 80s.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: This is the 80s?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. He designs.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Even more quadraphonic.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: He designs high-end stereo systems for millionaire clients... Interesting. to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: put in their, like, their, you know, their mountain... He
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: lives in Colorado, so their mountain homes and stuff. He's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: got perfect pitch... And so what he does is he
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: goes into a room and he acoustically sets up the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: room by just by listening and by using his voice
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: for vibrations. He has an incredible ear. But he also
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: has another hobby and it's so fucking good. And when
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: you get to the end of the movie it just
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: totally sweeps your legs out from under you. And David
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Keith is great. I mean I love that guy.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: He's always pretty impressive.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: So it's a crazy movie that premise is weird but
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: it's so you just draw so you enter like this
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: is nuts this how did this get made but it's
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: so good so those are movies that i like that
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: i don't think everybody's seen.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: That's that's usually like yeah especially when somebody has a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 9: niche thing that they get into like finding ones that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 9: we don't already know it's always something i'm like again
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 9: i will just start writing stuff down sometimes if i
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 9: hear people i'm like oh wait what's the name of
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: that one shit i need to go find that so Yeah,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 9: that's even better when we have it recorded.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Back it up.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Then you can back it up.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 9: Make a list, people, because, yeah, all of that sounds
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: pretty damn impressive, and most of it I still need
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: to get to. That's kind of why I love film
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: in general. It's like you're never done. Like, just when
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 9: you think you've seen everything, there's something, and it may
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 9: be 30 years old, it may be 70 years old,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: and you're like, how the hell have I not seen
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: this yet? Like, how is this thing that's this weird
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: or this amazing or this great, like, been around and
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 9: I haven't seen it or they'll come out with a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: new one that's that damn impressive.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: And I know that the minute we're done here I'll
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: think of ten more but those are all solid choices
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I think those are all good it covers every kind
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: of sub-genre.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: It's a good starting point and if nothing else you
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: definitely know your films you can come back anytime you want.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Continue on I'll find myself on Louisville quite often.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: I'm definitely on board for continuing this down the line
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: I would say throw out your comedy information.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: It's probably going to be a little different.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: Experience if they go see you on stage, but where
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: would people find.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: You on the internet?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: They can find me at Derek time.com, which is D
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: E R E K time.com. That's that's got, that's kind
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: of everything. It's got my calendar. It's got clips. I'm
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: updating it regularly. It'll have information on both the albums.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: You can listen to audio samples by the album. If
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: you want, you don't have to, but do it. I'm
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: telling you. I usually have all my tour dates, any updates, news.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Derek Sheen. I'm
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: on there all the time. And standuprecords.com.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: Definitely.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: And the new album comes out, I think, in April.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: We're working on a release date right now.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: So go buy that and all of your other stuff
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: and go see you out on the road.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, come and see me, please. And if you like...
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: If you like what we're talking about here, you'll love
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: my stand-up. Because it's equally as dark. But it's fun.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: It's not oppressive.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different mode. But it's got its edge
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: But we hit all the marks.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Well, thank you for joining us today.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I had a ball. And I cannot
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: thank you enough, by the way, and I'm saying this
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: on the podcast, for not just leaving... Well, I fucking
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: struggled to get here.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I had faith in you.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: I was like, he seems like he really loves movies
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 9: and I want to talk about those.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I want to get here.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was glad to wait it out because this
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: was worth it.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Good, good, good, good.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being here. Otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: We will return next time. Same Geek Feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: .
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  Speaker 1: .
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  Speaker 4: Bound to
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  Speaker 4: get you in, get you under your skin Hit you
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  Speaker 4: right on.
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  Speaker 12: The chin, oh yeah It's bound to be a thriller
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  Speaker 12: It's bound to be a jiller It's bound to be
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  Speaker 12: a killer, oh yeah Watch a horror movie right there
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  Speaker 12: on my TV Horror movie.
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  Speaker 4: Right there on my TV Horror movie.
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  Speaker 12: Right there on my TV Shocking me right out of
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  Speaker 12: my brain Shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Me right out of my brain.
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  Speaker 12: Planes they are crashing the cars are smashing the cops
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  Speaker 12: are up mashing oh yeah the.
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  Speaker 4: Kids are fighting the fires are lighting the dogs are biting.
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  Speaker 12: Oh yeah you think it's just a movie on a
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  Speaker 12: silver screen But they're all actors and forward scenes.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you don't care who's gonna lose or win. Listen, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you something.
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  Speaker 12: It's a horror movie.
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  Speaker 1: Right there on my TV.
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  Speaker 4: Horror movie right there on my TV.
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  Speaker 1: And it's shocking me right out.
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  Speaker 12: Of my brain holy shit I can't believe.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot fucking Exorcist.
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  Speaker 12: 3 go watch that also.
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  Speaker 2: The director's cut.
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  Speaker 1: With the original last 20 minutes is coming up, but
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  Speaker 1: that is the most terrifying moment ever on film, period.
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  Speaker 1: So go watch that and then have fun trying to
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  Speaker 1: walk out of a room alone.
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  Speaker 11: Talk hard!