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S2 E20: Defending Obi-Wan's controversial "from a certain point of view" line from ESB · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there control your. Insolence and concentrate it's.
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  Time for most things, Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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  episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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  all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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  And I'm your host, Lauren. And this episode we actually
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  went to our patrons and we asked them what's an Obi Wan related
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  topic that you would like us to cover.
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  And we got several which we will be using in future episodes.
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  But the one we chose for today was to have a discussion about
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  Obi Wan's famous line of when he was talking to Luke in the
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  original trilogy. And he said from a certain point
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  of view, he gave Luke that explanation as to the bullshit
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  that he kept from that he kept from Luke about Darth Vader.
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  And this is an interesting topic because I don't know that
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  there's a right or wrong dissection of this, of this
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  line, why it was chosen? Why it was given to this
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  character to say so we're just going to have a little chat
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  about it and what we think. It's very polarizing.
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  I've realized people feel pretty strongly like I just did a quick
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  search for some articles and people have feelings about this.
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  Our patron kind of asked us to defend it a bit, and I think
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  it'll be interesting to look at both sides because my default
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  was always to kind of be bothered by it.
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  I I was always bothered by it. Yeah, I can see that, though I
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  can see why anyone would be bothered by it, including Luke.
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  Yeah, it's kind of a big deal. Most people are like are not
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  nice about. It well, no, I, I, I get that I
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  could, I can try and defend it because I I too have thoughts
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  about both sides of this argument of should he have said,
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  should Obi Wan have said that? Why did he say it?
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  Was it defendable etcetera. Yeah, yeah.
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  It has been retconned at least twice on on two different
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  occasions now, possibly more, but just with the quick research
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  I did. How was it retconned?
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  Well, the first time was from the book Star Wars Aftermath,
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  Empire's End. Apparently there's a prayer from
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  the wills. Oh no, not the wills.
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  Oh, it always comes back to the will.
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  I know now they always write in these sing songy like any time
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  people reference the wills they write in like sing songy poetry
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  which I don't know where that comes from.
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  But. The the prayer is the truth in
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  our soul is that nothing is true.
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  The question of life is what then do we do?
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  God, I hate that. The burden is ours.
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  Yeah. The penance we hew, the force
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  binds us all from a certain point of view.
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  So they were arguing. This article I was reading was
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  arguing that it was a religious thing that Obi Wan was falling
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  back on, like a religious explanation for himself.
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  This was before the Kenobi series came out.
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  That's the second explanation, you know.
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  I don't know if I believe the religious business here with the
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  wills. I know the wills are thrown in
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  just to answer anything that we can't answer, you know, as a as
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  a convenient escape, yeah, from whatever the the point of the
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  topic is. But I don't know if Obi Wan
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  would choose to rely on that in that moment with Luke.
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  Well, like there's never been reference to Obi Wan paying
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  attention to the wills. Yoda.
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  Being pre and qui God, but not Obi Wan.
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  So I don't know, that seemed like an easy explanation.
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  And yeah, I mean, you know, as a writer, maybe the author of that
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  book was like, oh, that'd be a really clever way to tie it
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  back. But I don't really buy it as a a
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  way for Obi Wan to explain or excuse his explanation to Luke.
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  That's a weak argument to me. Yeah, yeah, I I agree with that.
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  I don't think it's weak. Why do you think he said it at
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  your heart of in your heart of hearts?
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  Why do you think Obi Wan chose to phrase it this this way with
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  Luke in that moment? I have two answers and it I have
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  the answer from before the Kenobi series existed.
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  OK, let's go with that. So before, I think it's because
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  Obi Wan and Yoda needed Luke or Leia to do something for them.
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  They needed the Sith defeated not just them, but the whole
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  Galaxy, right? They were the chosen children to
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  like, right, to vindicate or, you know, Vanquish the Galaxy.
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  And they were afraid that knowing the truth would make it
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  harder for Luke or Leia to do that.
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  And it and they were. I agree.
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  Yeah, of course. I mean, even though in Empire
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  Strikes Back, you see Luke's greatest fear is turning into
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  Vader, like being dehumanized, being evil at the core.
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  You see that in The Cave, which we've talked about.
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  But when he finds out in Return of the Jedi that they were
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  basically asking him to commit patricide and that they were
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  going to let him find out after he had done it.
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  Yeah. So that to me, sounds like they
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  didn't want to mess up the potential.
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  It was like serving a greater good.
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  Yeah. They were willing to sacrifice
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  Luke and Leia's potential mental health and like, and, you know,
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  goodness knows the baggage that would come with killing your own
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  father without knowing it was your father.
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  It was very Greek mythology. But they were willing to allow
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  the sacrifice of those two characters for the greater good.
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  And I don't. I don't like that.
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  Well, no. What what is your opinion after
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  I'm I'm getting all this out of the way because I don't know
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  that I know your answer on any of this.
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  I know that mean you have casually like thrown it about
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  that He should have said that he should have done that better,
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  but we've never really got to the nitty gritty.
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  What? What did the Kenobi series
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  change for you? I don't know if it really did
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  change the motivation. I think they tried very hard to
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  change the motivation. So now that it is Obi Wan really
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  believed Anakin said I killed. Yeah, yeah, true.
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  Vader said I killed Anakin Skywalker.
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  You didn't. I did like on and, and some
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  people take that differently. I always have taken that to mean
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  like Anakin purposefully destroyed the parts of himself
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  or so he thought that he could. Yeah.
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  And not not to like absolve Obi Wan.
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  I feel like he was kind of like throwing that in Obi Wan's face.
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  A. 1000% I think it was very self-serving and kind of
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  arrogant, which is par for the course here, but.
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  In in character. In a way it also absolved Obi
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  Wan from any guilt, which I don't think Anakin or Vader at
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  that moment meant to do. Yeah, I think you're right.
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  Yeah, and I think that allowed Obi Wan to make like a mental
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  shift of he is dead to me. So I can, you know, process it
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  that way. But that's a that is not healthy
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  for. No.
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  And then to explain to like, a child later, I mean, he's 18.
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  Whatever young man. Yeah, the way he explains
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  everything to Luke is just avoiding the real truth.
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  But again, how could you tell a person the real truth?
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  And that's where I soften on it because when I think of how is
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  Obi Wan supposed to tell Luke? What?
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  It's. True, real Father was, you know.
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  In my opinion, I don't think when they're having their
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  initial like meet and greet on Tatooine where you know he's
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  invited into Obi Wan's cave Hut. Humble abode.
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  Humble abode, if you will, his vacation house in the sands of
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  Tatooine. That was not a time to unleash
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  anything on Luke, you know, and Obi Wan from from his point of
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  view, has kind of settled on what we've learned from the
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  Kenobi series. You know, granted, we didn't
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  have the Kenobi series when any of this happened.
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  So right, he's had time to just settle on anything at this point
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  without even bringing in the Kenobi series.
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  I don't know that I would have told him.
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  I don't know that I would have said any of that to him
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  initially. And Even so, shouldn't he as a
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  teacher in some fashion allow Luke to find that out on his
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  own? They probably weren't banking on
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  Vader telling him. Yeah, I mean, according to what
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  Yoda says in Return of the Jedi, he was like, Oh yeah,
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  unfortunate. This.
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  Is yes, yeah, unfortunate that that piece of information was
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  revealed, but at the same time in that revelation is what
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  propelled everything anyway. So perhaps they didn't need to
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  tell Luke in the 1st place. At least, like you said, it
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  would have prevented what happened in the way that it
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  happened from transpiring. I just don't know that there was
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  a good way to tell him should should the truth come out more
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  plainly. Sure, but but like, is a force
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  ghost even capable of that? Probably Obi Wan's force ghost
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  is. But yeah, I mean, I just don't
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  see how it could have happened anyway I.
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  Don't know when, like maybe the truth it, you know, if you want
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  to look at it as people are a collection of their lives and as
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  we change through experiences, we become more or less receptive
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  to ideas or openness. You know, if he had told and
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  first of all, he had no time to tell Luke in A New Hope.
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  He died within like a few hours of the meeting.
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  Basically yes. So there was no opportunity to
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  really sit down and and bridge that gap there.
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  But Luke probably wouldn't have been ready to hear it until he
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  had gone through everything up to Empire Strikes Back and even
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  that it was extremely devastating.
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  But he defaulted then after that into nothing at all that Obi Wan
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  and Yoda expected from Luke. They thought he was going to be
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  willing to do this horrible thing they wanted him to do.
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  But instead Luke chose passivity and to try to find the good in
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  his father's still, which Yoda and Obi Wan had totally given up
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  on. Which with the Kenobi series.
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  Like with good reason. We have to consider the
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  motivation of any of this. And if you think about Obi Wan,
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  let's say he had told Luke the actual literal truth, because
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  what Obi Wan said to Luke wasn't a lie.
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  It wasn't a lie necessarily. It was was it plainly spoken?
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  No. Has Obi Wan ever plainly spoke
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  spoken probably only to Anakin. OK, so like and.
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  Even then and. Even then, it was still, you
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  know, polished a little bit, 'cause he's fucking Obi Wan.
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  And like Sateen said, the collection of half truths is
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  hyperbole. Known as Obi Wan Kenobi, right?
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  She said it right, so and she knew him better than most people
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  and she knew him. She knew him when he was younger
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  and not so stern in his ways, you know, not stern, but like
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  strict in his ways, settled in his ways.
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  So the motivation of any of this was to confront Vader point
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  blank period, right? For Luke to do this, having just
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  met Obi Wan, he gets the lightsaber.
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  Obi Wan's telling him about his father, how he fought in the
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  Clone Wars and was a very good friend.
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  OK, all truths. What if Obi Wan would have told
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  Luke in that moment? By the way, here's what this is.
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  What went down? Would Luke have even believed
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  him? He just met this man.
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  Yeah. It could have caused discourse
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  maybe, like who the fuck are you walking in here telling me about
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  my father, you know, blah blah blah.
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  Like an angsty teenager who's being confronted with the weight
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  of the fucking Galaxy. In every sense, yeah.
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  Yeah, he's not ready for that shit.
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  No. And you know, he wasn't told
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  about Leia either. Yeah, and they all knew about
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  her, too. Yeah, and for what it's worth,
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  Liotta really never even said anything about Leia up front
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  either. He gave a half truth Riddle in
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  the end that Luke had to piece together.
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  I know what is. Wrong with these fucking.
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  Jedi, Why? Can't they just?
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  Say what they mean. I don't know, my God.
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  Save so much time. Seriously, if they would have
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  all of them just had a normal conversation, we could have
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  avoided all. That's it.
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  Trouble and it started with Obi Wan and Anakin if they'd have
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  just talked through this shit anyway.
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  It's true that's its own episode, but the therapy needed
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  by both Obi Wan and Anakin will be an upcoming episode.
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  OK, so let's so Obi Wan doesn't tell Luke that Vader is his true
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  father is Anakin. So Luke goes into this trying to
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  avenge his father, right? He was killed by Vader.
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  So this this is a noble thing that he's being positioned.
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  You will avenge the Jedi and and myself and you know, whatever
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  else Obi Wan had positioned him for and Luke's going into it
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  much more courageous I think. Cuz you know when you're
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  avenging something that was wronged or someone that was
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  wronged, nothing can stop you cuz you're doing it for the
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  right reason. So again, to your point, Obi Wan
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  and Yoda needed him to do something.
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  Whatever. But had Obi Wan told him, would
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  Luke have gone into it with the same?
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  He'd have been doubt. There's a lot of self doubt,
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  questioning, questioning the Jedi, questioning Obi Wan, Yoda,
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  you know, all of this stuff. He might have just dropped it
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  all and, you know, just went with Luke and Leia and Han and
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  the whole group and fought for the Rebellion and just never
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  encountered any of it and avoided it.
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  Yeah. So I'm I'm actually glad that
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  Obi Wan didn't tell him. Yeah, it would have definitely
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  reset the course of the story. There might not have been a
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  story. So of course it adds intrigue
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  and it's layers that are more interesting and especially to
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  realize as Luke, to realize that the people you've been trusting
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  all this time are kind of not really telling you everything
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  you really need to know it. It then adds to the layer for
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  the audience of wondering if Vader and the Emperor could
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  change his mind then right? I mean, from a film standpoint,
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  that's the goal here is right, The light and the dark.
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  Like who do you trust? Make it believable that he could
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  go either way, you know? Yeah, but I think it's also
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  necessary in the hero's journey to confront that which plagues
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  you through your growth story. And that's what makes Luke so
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  compelling in the end. Does it pivot off of that one
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  line that Obi Wan delivers? No.
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  But it is an element in his story that should be considered.
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  Yeah, Espe. Well, especially because Obi Wan
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  uses the phrase he betrayed and murdered your father, not he
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  died, not, you know, and that's just a such a particular way of
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  phrasing it that it's like it's almost like, are you trying to
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  put a seed of revenge in there because it's not quite what
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  happened. I mean, and OK, so I also want
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  to ask you and like dive into from a certain point of view, is
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  that just total like a bullshit thing Obi Wan is telling himself
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  so he can believe that what he did was the right thing?
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  How do you feel about that phrasing particularly?
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  Well, I don't think he's wrong. I think he set it up.
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  I don't think he's wrong in saying that from a certain point
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  of view. I think first of all, I think
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  it's petty because you're right, Obi Wan from a certain point of
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  view, but it's Luke's point of view that matters here.
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  So take yourself out of it. This isn't about you and what
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  the fuck happened with Anakin? Maybe it is, but right now it's
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  about Luke. OK?
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  I think maybe Obi Wan did not want to be wrong, but he didn't
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  know how to tell Luke and that was the only way he could tell
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  him without being wrong and yet not also exposing the absolute
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  truth. There's some what's the word
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  like? There's some goal in it.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has like a motivation I guess
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  or. I would have been happier if Obi
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  Wan would have said, look, Luke, you had to find out on your own
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  and this was the only way to do it.
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  That would have been true. Yeah, that would have at least
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  revealed his motivation a little more instead of being like, Oh,
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  well, from a certain point of view, anything can exist, you
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  know, like. Yeah, 'cause I'm inclined to
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  feel like there is truth and there are lies and, and man,
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  Mothma kind of talks about that in her speech, right?
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  Of like what is said and what is known to be true, yes.
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  Oh, that's a good point. Damn.
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  And that's just it's human nature, right?
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  Like they always say the victor writes the history, that kind of
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  thing. So of of course you are going to
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  have two perspectives that like say there's two people in an in
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  an argument or in a a conflict. Let's say each person is coming
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  with their own perspective. So yeah, OK, there's a certain
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  point of view. But like, did Anakin Skywalker
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  murder Anakin Skywalker? Not physically.
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  Not actually. Like metaphorically, he disposed
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  of the old self. OK.
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  Right, exactly. They should have said like
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  metaphorically, yes, it was true.
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  Like if you're Luke, you'd have been like fuck your stupid
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  metaphors. Like I would have just liked the
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  actual truth. But.
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  But would he have, would Luke have liked the actual truth?
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  He thinks he might have 'cause he feels betrayed in this
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  moment. He feels led on in this moment.
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  But I think that's where Obi Wan's experience and knowledge
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  and wisdom comes in with Yeah, I mean, from a certain point of
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  view, Psych got him. We got him.
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  It's not right, none of it's right, but.
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  Oh my gosh. Well, you know, like Yoda.
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  Also is there's. OK, so apparently there's
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  missing dialogue from Yoda and Luke's conversation from Return
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  of the Jedi where Yoda's about to die.
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  Oh, right. And it was cut out.
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  So again, can we really take it as part of the argument because
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  it was cut out for a reason? It was left on the cutting room
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  floor for whatever reason. Yeah, but it was that Yoda told
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  Luke that Obi Wan had always wanted to tell Luke the truth,
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  but Yoda wouldn't let him. Oh, now that that throws a bit
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  of a wrench in it because I could see Yoda not wanting Obi
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  Wan to tell him because Yoda, after all, had more of a goal
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  than, well, they were all Bale. Also, what about the fucking
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  uncle and aunt and aunt and uncle?
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  They never told him. I know there's there's, I know
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  there's more complicity in this lack of telling Luke than just
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  Obi Wan. When there's also this
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  implication in the Kenobi series that first of all, Obi Wan had
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  never heard of Darth Vader being alive in the.
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  Galaxy. Right, because he knew that
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  Anakin's Sith name was Vader. He saw the footage in the Jedi
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  Temple. I think it was in the Jedi
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  Temple, right? Where he's, like, looking up
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  recordings or something like that.
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  Yeah. It was on that hollow hologram,
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  yeah. Which is in the Emperor's.
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  It was in Palpatine's chambers. So does that mean the Jedi could
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  see? Like did they have a listening
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  device or something? Palpatine's office.
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  I'm sure he had cameras everywhere 'cause he was a
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  paranoid freak probably he had to have eyes on everything.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, it's true.
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  So, OK, so Obi Wan knew that he knew Anakin was Vader.
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  You said that Thrawn knew Anakin was Vader.
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  Correct sensed he did together. He never had verbal
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  confirmation, but yeah, he's one of those Thinker observers.
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  He could feel it. Yeah.
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  Yeah. OK, So we know Riva knew.
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  Does Owen and Baru, do they know?
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  Does Beale Ogana know? He knows Anakin is dead, and he
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  even says to Obi Wan in the Kenobi series Anakin's gone.
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  Like move on basically. Again, though, gone is a very
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  loose word. Yeah, I mean, they all knew he
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  turned right. Well, at least Bale knew who
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  knew what Owen and Peru. That's.
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  What they? Didn't really say anything.
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  It's very. It's like a small group of
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  people and you're not quite sure who knows what, but they all
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  know something bad happened. Yeah, and they all chose to not
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  tell the truth to any of the children.
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  No either of the children. Well Obi Wan, Obi Wan did get
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  down on Leia's eye level and tell her who her mother was and
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  who her father was via characteristics.
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  Remember. Yeah.
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  And that she's a product of the best of those two and.
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  Yeah. Like that's Obi Wan also telling
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  Leia without telling Leia. Yeah, yes, yeah.
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  So. It it falls in line with like
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  all of this. I don't know.
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  I I can see both angles of like why Obi Wan and Yoda and the
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  aunt and uncle and all the other accessories in all this didn't
• 24:18
  tell Luke but I can also see why if he had said something I think
• 24:26
  it would have changed the trajectory slightly.
• 24:29
  Yes, totally, because. How do you just come out and say
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  that you don't? And not fill the recipient with
• 24:37
  fear, like completely like it would have just terrified Luke
• 24:41
  and then he would have been paralyzed.
• 24:43
  I I think especially when he was younger, you know when.
• 24:45
  Let's let's also not forget that they're trying to avoid Luke
• 24:49
  becoming Anakin in in all of this, sending him into The Cave
• 24:54
  there, you know, all of the challenges and there's just.
• 25:00
  It gave him much. It really gave him the
• 25:03
  opportunity to be his own man without the fear hanging over
• 25:09
  him. Of Am I predestined to fall like
• 25:12
  my father? Absolutely.
• 25:15
  Granted, that all changes after Empire Strikes Back, but at
• 25:18
  least to that point, Luke had the ability to make his own
• 25:22
  choices of the kind of person he wanted to be.
• 25:25
  Yeah. And so I agree with you.
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  Like, if if they had told him that sooner, that probably would
• 25:31
  not have been the case. He would have just felt that
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  burden his whole life. Again though, did Obi Wan need
• 25:38
  to say it the way he did? No, there were other ways of
• 25:42
  phrasing it. I guess the question is why
• 25:45
  didn't George Lucas choose to write that line for this
• 25:48
  character? Has he ever said?
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  I'm sure I have. There was like there in my VHS
• 26:00
  copies. They had very in depth
• 26:03
  interviews with George Lucas before them and I used to watch
• 26:06
  them all the time but I haven't been able to watch.
• 26:08
  My VHS copies had those. Yeah, I I remember.
• 26:12
  They're probably on YouTube at this point now so I could
• 26:15
  probably look them up, but I do remember him talking about
• 26:18
  certain things about Vader in particular, but I don't remember
• 26:21
  if he went into why Obi Wan shows from a certain point of
• 26:27
  view. I've always loved the line too
• 26:30
  and Return of the Jedi when Yoda's passed away and Luke goes
• 26:33
  back outside and Obi Wan appears in the fog.
• 26:36
  Yeah. And Luke just very casually says
• 26:41
  you told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father like so not.
• 26:45
  Emotionally, right? Totally like.
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  I think I would have been a little bit madder.
• 26:53
  Well, the inflection in his voice is like someone listing
• 26:57
  off a grocery list is just like you're very benign you.
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  Sent me out to get milk and I brought.
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  Yeah, I brought exactly. That's.
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  Funny. Precisely.
• 27:14
  That's exactly. Why did you put peanuts down
• 27:17
  when you really wanted almonds? I can't believe it, Obi Wan, why
• 27:24
  would you? Do this.
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  Oh my God. That's fun.
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  I just think at the end of the day, he probably should have
• 27:42
  just said you had to find out on your own.
• 27:45
  I couldn't have told you. End of the controversy.
• 27:52
  Yeah, it's sad that people have taken it to mean that Obi Wan
• 27:57
  was a terrible person. And I don't think that.
• 28:00
  Shitty master. And yeah, I don't think that
• 28:03
  either. I mean, what would you do if you
• 28:05
  had watched your best friend? Oh, it's or.
• 28:08
  Like someone you kind of consider a son or a brother,
• 28:11
  Like watch this trajectory. How would you then tell their
• 28:15
  child? Put yourself in Obi Wan's shoes
• 28:17
  for a second. I would have had to consult like
• 28:19
  a psychologist and like what is the best way forward?
• 28:24
  I need some help because that is a very difficult conversation to
• 28:29
  initiate. How would you do it?
• 28:31
  It seems almost impossible. So I that's why I don't I don't
• 28:35
  hold it against Obi Wan. Really, truly, I think the fear
• 28:39
  of Luke turning into Anakin and perhaps eventually a Sith, you
• 28:46
  know, was very real and you had to very, very, very lightly
• 28:52
  tread around this topic. And I think Obi Wan, being the
• 28:57
  the wise man that he is, even in Force ghost form, treaded very
• 29:04
  lightly and still did not lie to the boy.
• 29:07
  You know, I'm sure that I bet you any money Yoda told him what
• 29:12
  to say. It just seems like a Yoda line,
• 29:15
  doesn't it? Yeah, it feels like it.
• 29:17
  Yeah. That like that kind of bullshit
• 29:20
  line that's not really telling you anything.
• 29:23
  And yeah, it's, it's basically, it's like the equivalent of if
• 29:31
  you don't know, I'm not going to tell you kind of thing.
• 29:34
  Yeah, like if you can't figure it out on your own, then I'm not
• 29:36
  telling. You, you don't deserve to know.
• 29:39
  Yeah, fuck off. Exactly.
• 29:41
  But yeah. Exactly, He didn't do that.
• 29:43
  I mean, at least Obi Wan didn't do that.
• 29:44
  He didn't treat Luke like he was stupid.
• 29:47
  That's one thing. He always trusted Luke to come
• 29:51
  to whatever decision he wanted to, even though there were signs
• 29:55
  there of like hastiness and wanting to rush to the, you
• 30:00
  know, go save people, which you got to think through.
• 30:02
  But if he thought too much, if they'd have told him about
• 30:05
  Vader, he would have that would have just overwhelmed his
• 30:09
  thought process and would have changed everything.
• 30:12
  He would have questioned. I'm convinced if Obi Wan would
• 30:15
  have told him the straight truth.
• 30:17
  And very early on, you know, before any of this happened,
• 30:22
  like like Return of the Jedi happened and and most of Empire
• 30:25
  Strikes Back, he would have gotten stuck in a thought loop
• 30:31
  of did my father do what he thought was right?
• 30:34
  Why did he do it? And then we have to bring up the
• 30:37
  the fucking he was trying to save Padme in the end with his
• 30:40
  own selfish means. And the Palpatine, how do you
• 30:44
  start? Once you open that door, you got
• 30:46
  to walk through it and tell the whole story that Palpatine did
• 30:51
  the whole you know, grooming him from a young age, turning him
• 30:55
  against the order. You know, all of Obi Wan and the
• 30:58
  orders faults for raising him. You know this, that, Ahsoka, you
• 31:03
  know, and this, that and the other thing.
• 31:05
  It's a whole mess. Yeah, it really is.
• 31:10
  There isn't anyone really to back up Obi Wan's story.
• 31:14
  There aren't any other witnesses to say what he's saying is the
• 31:18
  truth. Where the fuck is Ahsoka?
• 31:19
  Nobody knows, not Obi Wan. Right, I know, right?
• 31:22
  Like Ahsoka's just non existent and then everyone else is dead
• 31:26
  and the only other person who was there was the Emperor and
• 31:28
  can you trust a word out of his mouth?
• 31:30
  No, of course not. So.
• 31:32
  And who knew that Luke would end up in a room with the Emperor?
• 31:35
  Had he known all this stuff, he could have asked the Emperor,
• 31:39
  and the Emperor could have fed him 1001 lies and we'd be no
• 31:43
  closer to saving the Galaxy than before.
• 31:46
  So it probably was a good thing that it wasn't straight up
• 31:51
  given. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:55
  And lucky for us, Luke is more Padme than he was able to look
• 32:00
  for the good in people and seriously letting his fear take
• 32:05
  control. That's, I mean, that's a whole
• 32:08
  nother thing of like he had a stable family life and stuff,
• 32:12
  which we've talked about with regards to Anakin and how.
• 32:15
  You. Know the fear of his mother and
• 32:18
  all of. That just terrible.
• 32:20
  Plays into it. So yeah, it's very, it's fun
• 32:23
  that there's, there's this this element of Star Wars where you
• 32:28
  can kind of go round and round with some some subjects and not
• 32:32
  really necessarily fall on a solution, but it's a fun thing
• 32:36
  to play around with because it is so complex and layered.
• 32:40
  And I think everyone's opinion on what they think about that
• 32:43
  line is completely valid. Yeah, yes, I think so too.
• 32:48
  It's just one of those things like where there is no right or
• 32:50
  wrong answer. Could it have been done with
• 32:53
  more tact? Absolutely.
• 32:56
  All of them could have used a little more tact.
• 32:59
  But that's not why we're here. No, that's not why we love Star
• 33:04
  Wars. It's true.
• 33:07
  It's well and it's all, everyone's going to interpret it
• 33:11
  from their own life experiences and it's going to all be from
• 33:14
  their certain point of view, so. There it is.
• 33:27
  Our question to you is pretty straightforward for this
• 33:30
  episode. What are your thoughts on that
• 33:33
  line? Obi Wan saying to Luke, Well,
• 33:36
  from a certain certain point of view, he told him the truth
• 33:39
  about his father. How do you feel?
• 33:42
  Yes, this is your chance to vent your feelings.
• 33:45
  Yes, And no matter how long it is, we'll choose one or two or
• 33:49
  what whatever we get, we'll read them all.
• 33:52
  But we'll read one or two next on our next episode at the end.
• 33:56
  So please chime in and let us know.
• 34:01
  And our next episode is going to be a recap or review of Tales of
• 34:06
  the Underworld. We have not watched it yet
• 34:08
  because we were in an AND or cyclone.
• 34:14
  Yes. Yeah, and for some reason they
• 34:17
  decided to release those at the same time.
• 34:19
  So we definitely have not seen it yet.
• 34:21
  So we will watch all the episodes and then do a recap
• 34:25
  episode for for that. Not next week, but the week
• 34:29
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• 34:30
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• 34:34
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