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Adam Neubauer: Ghoti Hook · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: It was a day.
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  Speaker 2: Today we have Adam from gody Hook super excited to
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: chat with you, Adam. Gody Hook is one of those
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  Speaker 2: bands that to me just feels like a legendary punk band.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Colin mentioned to you before, Adam,
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  Speaker 2: but Gody Hook is like one of those bands you know,
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  Speaker 2: like early days of like Tooth and Nail, and that
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  Speaker 2: whole scene is like so important to us with growing up.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we Colin and I definitely kind of maybe
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  Speaker 2: came along kind of in that what maybe would be
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  Speaker 2: described as sort of like the second wave of Tooth
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  Speaker 2: and Nail. But obviously those first wave bands, including Goady
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  Speaker 2: Hook and a lot of those other first wave bands
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  Speaker 2: were so pivotal for even like the bands that Colin
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  Speaker 2: and I grew up with. But Colin and I are
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  Speaker 2: like such Tooth and Nail fans that you know, we
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  Speaker 2: definitely are familiar with Gody Hook as well as a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those other you know, early Tooth and Nail
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  Speaker 2: bands like Dogwood is another one as well. You know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the other ones from from that era,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, Slick Shoes a number of them.
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  Speaker 3: So so I can say this with you, this this
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  Speaker 3: is what godyhook means to me. So our youth group
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  Speaker 3: room had a whole like line of CDs on the
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  Speaker 3: shelf and right you could you could check out the
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  Speaker 3: CDs and you could listen to them at home. And
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  Speaker 3: the Banana Record was was one of those CDs on
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  Speaker 3: the shelf, and I was like, this looks interesting. I
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  Speaker 3: borrowed it and never gave it back. Nice, So you
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  Speaker 3: still have it stairs? Still have it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fantastic. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, nothing like stealing from the church, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was one point I pitched an album
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  Speaker 1: title of this album's free.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and nobody went for it.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's very That's very similar to system of a down.
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  Speaker 5: Steal this or like is it like Chumbawamba or what's that?
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  Speaker 5: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I get that.
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  Speaker 1: I get knocked down, but I get back up again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like they had the same thing where they like told
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  Speaker 2: fans to just steal CDs from their sword.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is that no one actually wanted to steal
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  Speaker 3: that record because it was such a creepy looking record.
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  Speaker 3: That face on the front just gets me the willies,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: You know, uh, you know, Gody Hook walks so that
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  Speaker 2: Radiohead could later on run within rados.
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  Speaker 5: Right, that's right, guys, that's exactly ahead of your time.
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  Speaker 2: So well, you know, before stealing music was a popular thing,
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  Speaker 2: Colin was.
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  Speaker 5: Doing, you know, in our youth group days. So nice,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure you guys could have really
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  Speaker 2: used Colin's money when he was you know, fifteen years old.
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  Speaker 3: Every little bit counts, that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: Got to get Adam exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Adam, it's it's exciting to talk to you. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we'll want to talk all all things Gody Hook, but
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  Speaker 2: before we dive into that, how you doing today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm all right, I'm a little tired. Yeah, getting ready
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  Speaker 1: for our son's graduation. We're having a bunch of people
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  Speaker 1: over high.
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  Speaker 5: School graduation or college or you know, high church degree.
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  Speaker 5: But phdu where are we at?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not that old high school graduation. I was telling
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  Speaker 1: Colin our daughter had her preschool graduation last week and
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  Speaker 1: our son's having his high school graduation this week. So
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  Speaker 1: what about the whole spectrum covered there?
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  Speaker 5: You really do? Wow?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 5: So what is that like thirteen years basically?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she was our COVID surprise.
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  Speaker 5: Wow wow a little yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and that's crazy to think that like babies that
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  Speaker 2: were born during COVID are now like preschoolers and kindergarteners.
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  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just realizing that right now. Holy cow, wow we
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  Speaker 2: are Oh man, time does fly. Whether it's going poorly
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  Speaker 2: or bad or great, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's flying by Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on for you to like just you know,
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  Speaker 2: but be in that like time of life where you've
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  Speaker 2: got you've got a young one, you've got an older
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  Speaker 2: one that's moving out of the house here soon, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 2: and uh and probably everything in between.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's wild, it's it's I listened to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of adults and they like, they forget a lot
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  Speaker 1: of their history. But when you've got kids at that
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  Speaker 1: big of a spectrum, it like it makes your history
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  Speaker 1: more alive. So I can remember a lot about myself
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  Speaker 1: and what I was going through. And to be able
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  Speaker 1: to see them and what they're going through versus you know,
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  Speaker 1: what I was going through. It's great that they're doing
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  Speaker 1: so well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a us difference.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a sense that your kids think you're cool?
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  Speaker 2: As a dad, Like, like I often think about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my dad. You know, he's a classic you know Midwest dad,
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  Speaker 2: just like through and through. He's got the you know,
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  Speaker 2: grass staying new balances and all the things nice. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there was ever a moment where I thought
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  Speaker 2: my dad was cool, though.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you ever thought your dad.
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  Speaker 2: Was cool, though, Cohen, like, your dad is cool actually,
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  Speaker 2: but like I don't know if you ever thought that
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  Speaker 2: or not, But.
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  Speaker 3: Do you never really thought that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Adam, do you think your kids think you're cool?
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  Speaker 2: The fact that you're in a band like I do
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  Speaker 2: think it had my dad been in like an actual
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  Speaker 2: cool band, like a signed band, at one point, I
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  Speaker 2: might have maybe thought differently about him. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: the fact that you were, you know, in Goaty Hook
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  Speaker 2: does that like give you like an extra level of
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  Speaker 2: cred amongst your kids or is it just like make
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  Speaker 2: you even less cool or something.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 1: I think my son thought I was full of bs
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  Speaker 1: for a long time because I would tell him from
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  Speaker 1: when he was really young. I would tell him stories about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being on tour playing shows, and it didn't
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  Speaker 1: really I don't think he could totally wrap his head
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  Speaker 1: around it. But once he got to an age where
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  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, because I've played in bands after
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  Speaker 1: Gody Hook, I still play in bands, and so like,
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  Speaker 1: I think the first time he saw me play, I
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  Speaker 1: had to get a new phone and I was in
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  Speaker 1: DC playing a show and it worked out really well.
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  Speaker 1: My wife and kids brought me my new phone. In
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  Speaker 1: the venue. It was like a club, and the drums
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  Speaker 1: were next to a window that went right out to
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  Speaker 1: the street, so they just walked up in between songs.
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  Speaker 1: I grabbed my new phone and I could see in
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  Speaker 1: my son's face he was like, oh, this is real.
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  Speaker 1: He's a he you know, he's not full of it,
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  Speaker 1: like and I think I had a window from like
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  Speaker 1: ten to maybe fourteen where he thought I was cool.
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  Speaker 1: And I think now we're just like I try to
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  Speaker 1: take him as to as many shows as possible, so
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  Speaker 1: I think now we're kind of like this a really
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  Speaker 1: terrible phrase, but like show bros.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great place to be as a dad. Though
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  Speaker 3: I got it.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine it is nice.
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  Speaker 1: I think the biggest one he and I really like
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  Speaker 1: a band called The The from England, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: great name for his sixteenth birthday. My wife got him
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  Speaker 1: tickets to a show, but the show was in London,
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  Speaker 1: so she got the tickets. I had to provide the trip,
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  Speaker 1: so that's unfair.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say this, I think I think punk dads,
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  Speaker 3: I think they age the most gracefully of any dads
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  Speaker 3: in any music industry, like any music scene, I should say,
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  Speaker 3: because like the style just kind of is like timeless,
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  Speaker 3: first of all, and I feel like punk dudes just
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  Speaker 3: always kind of know how to take care of themselves
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you rarely see like a real like overweight
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  Speaker 3: punk dad, or if you do, they're like super super chill.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And I look at you and I'm like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: you're you're clearly in good shape. You got this cool
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  Speaker 3: quoft hair, a little bit of salt and pepper and uh,
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  Speaker 3: and you're just chill, you know it. Just it just
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  Speaker 3: seems to me like punk dads age the most gracefully
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  Speaker 3: of any music music scene.
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  Speaker 4: I have a theory on that.
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  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, you've got your pop bands or uh,
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  Speaker 1: your hardcore bands, like East Coast hardcore bands, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them are like very fashionable.
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  Speaker 4: They always have been.
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  Speaker 1: Like fashion is a big thing in a hardcore scene,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't want you to know that.
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  Speaker 3: That's so true.
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  Speaker 1: And like pop bands, everybody has to look kind of
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  Speaker 1: glossy and nice. Punk guys just have always looked like crap,
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  Speaker 1: so as we get older, it's not a big switch
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  Speaker 1: for everybody.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, you've always kind of looked like crap.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Not that big of a deal. And I was actually
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  Speaker 1: feeling guilty, like I haven't shaved today. This is how
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: my hair looked when I woke up. I was like, ugh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything to get ready for this, so
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  Speaker 1: thank you.
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  Speaker 3: So you wake up looking like a model for like
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  Speaker 3: like an alts magazine seven ball, Yeah, seven balls, right exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: There is something about fashion.
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  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this recently, where fashion alone can
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  Speaker 2: almost just make you look like twenty years younger. Like
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  Speaker 2: there's a guy I don't even know his name, but
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: work for a school, and he's like, uh, I think
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  Speaker 2: I think he's like an alum from like twenty thirty
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  Speaker 2: years ago.
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  Speaker 5: So he's maybe in like his fifties, maybe probably sixties.
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  Speaker 2: Even, and he's just like so stylish, like not in
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  Speaker 2: a like overly fancy kind of pot trying to like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like he's got like like he's the I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: in his sixties, but he wears like these like really
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  Speaker 2: cool looking boots, and like he doesn't have like overly
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: baggy jeans, but like not overly skinny jeans kind of
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  Speaker 2: like this like nice looking jeans, and he always wears
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  Speaker 2: like a nice like fitted shirt, and he's got cool
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  Speaker 2: looking tattoos and like he might have like one or
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: two puer scenes like he's he's in his sixties or
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's in his sixties, but he just looks
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  Speaker 2: really cool, and I'm like it just like the fact
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: that he dresses really cool makes him look like he
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: might actually be closer to his forties. Like he looks
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: like he's like maybe like plays for the National and
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: he's he's like way older than those guys.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 4: It gets difficult, like how old are you guys?
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  Speaker 5: Thirty three, thirty three, I'm thirty one.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great era. Enjoy it. I'm forty now.
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  Speaker 3: Good. I needed to hear that right.
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  Speaker 4: Now gets complicated.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you don't want to be the guy that,
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  Speaker 1: like I see dads that are like tagging along with
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  Speaker 1: their kids, like too close to their friend group, and
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, you gotta let them go,
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: and you've got to let your past go because you're
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: obviously hanging on a little too hard. But it gets
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: confusing because it's like I told my son, it's like
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: he just turned eighteen, and I was like, you're going
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: to be eighteen in your brain for the next twenty
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  Speaker 1: five or thirty years.
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  Speaker 3: That's so true, and he's like, so true.
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  Speaker 5: I still feel like that.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like I cannot believe, like I own a house now,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what, like, I still like when I
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: think of Colin still, I think of like eighteen year
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: old Colin and I like doing dumb.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: Shit and I'm like that's not good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm like.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: There's no way, Like I remember doing dumb shit with
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: this guy, and now he's got like a toddler, and
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, if this toddler knew like half the
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: shit that I know about Colin, like this toddler would
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: be like I'm I'm I need to get adopted by
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: I need a babysitter while you're here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, that's so true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you wake up one morning and it's
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: like you can't really see him, but I've got no
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  Speaker 1: there are wrinkles, you know, and I've got my hair's
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  Speaker 1: going gray, and it's like, should I wear a pink
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: screeching weasel T shirt?
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  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, it's the only one I own. They don't
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: make green ones anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, but it's just it's kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to like that guy, you know, that's sixty
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: year old guy. It's like there's a balance to it
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  Speaker 1: where it's like just enough to know that people know
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  Speaker 1: that you're aware of what you look like, but not
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  Speaker 1: so much that you're like, yes, yes, I'm trying trying
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: to find a time machine on eBay so I can
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  Speaker 1: go back and relive my glory.
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  Speaker 5: Days right right now. You got to be careful with it.
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  Speaker 5: You definitely got to be careful with it, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, well, Adam, enough of reminiscing about what
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  Speaker 2: life was like and what life could be and all
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  Speaker 2: of those sort of things. But let's let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: Godi Hook. So let's go to the very beginning. I'd
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  Speaker 2: love to just kind of hear kind of your own
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  Speaker 2: involvement with like getting involved with Godi Hook What was that?
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  Speaker 2: What's the story, what's the story with with with you
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  Speaker 2: all guys starting and getting getting that going.
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  Speaker 4: Well the very beginning. I was.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Probably twelve years old. Yeah, we started when we were
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: really really young, and it was three of us and
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: we every weekend we'd go to either it was myself, Joel,
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  Speaker 1: the lead singer, and our friend Justin. We'd go to
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  Speaker 1: one of our houses to the sleepover, stay up super late,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: trying to watch movies.
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  Speaker 4: That we weren't supposed to and all that.
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  Speaker 1: Then we go on bike rides all day and then
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: come home and then you know, typical kid weekend. And
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  Speaker 1: one Thanksgiving I went up to my aunt and uncle's
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  Speaker 1: house and I'd been playing drums off and on since
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  Speaker 1: I was really little, and my aunt uncle had a
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  Speaker 1: drum set, and I was just like, I gotta have
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: this drum set, and they were just I think they
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: were just holding it for somebody, but my dad ended
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: up convincing them to sell it to him. He got
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: me the drum set, Justin got a guitar, and we
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: started just messing around playing Metallica songs very poorly.
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  Speaker 4: That went on for.
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  Speaker 1: Probably like a year or so, we met Conrad and
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  Speaker 1: we'd known Christian for a long time and didn't know
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: that he played you know, I had any interest in
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  Speaker 1: playing the bab So Conrad and Christian started messing around
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  Speaker 1: and we basically just did whatever we wanted. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: really know that well, one, we didn't know that there
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: was any type of like scene of younger musicians. Like
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: we all grew up in church. My dad was a minister,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: so I'm a preacher's kid, so obviously I was the
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: bad one. So we knew about like Striper and what
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: petra resband all that type of stuff, and I really didn't.
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  Speaker 4: It was okay, it got me through.
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  Speaker 1: So we've been playing for a while, just making noise,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: and we didn't know that there were other bands out
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: there that weren't like I don't want to be disparaging
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: towards anybody, but like cheesy Christian rock music, and that
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: was definitely not what we wanted because we weren't like
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I think around nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one is when
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: we discovered Green Day and Lookout Records, and we got
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a hold of a Lookout Record catalog and we just
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: started ordering all the bands. We could get from that
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: record label. Who was I think Face to Face was
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: on lookout for a little while.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I think Christian brought a cassette tape of a band
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  Speaker 1: called Poor Old lou Yes, and it was like, these
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  Speaker 1: guys are like just a little bit older than us,
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  Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, that's cool, good for them.
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  Speaker 4: But even then it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't really dawn on us that like there could
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  Speaker 1: be more. So, you know, we made really terrible music
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: for a long time, and we just recently went back
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: and listened to some of our old demos and it
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: was just.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Not pleasant.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: But we had been listening to punk music and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't really like we'd grown up listening to a lot
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: of old Metallica, violent femmes, dead milkmen. Those were huge
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: influences when we were getting started and like figuring out
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: what we wanted to do, but we had started switching
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: more and more to listening to punk music. Operation Ivy
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  Speaker 1: was like the first band we really started listening to.
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  Speaker 1: It was energetic and it was fast, and it was
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't polished. It was just raw and it felt good.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And then got into Screeching Weezel, Green Day and then
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: we found No.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Effects and it was just like wow, this is.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Like the fastness of the thrash metal we grew up
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: listening to, but with all the melodies from the Violent
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Femmes or other bands that we listened to, and it
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: just really clicked with us. And we discovered we could
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: play music like that where it was like really fast,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: really melodic, and so we just switched made a complete
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: pivot from the terrible music we were making to trying
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to be like no Effects. And I am blanking on
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the how we bridged, Like we played talent shows, local
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: talent shows, just for fun, for something to do. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I guess our big Christian the bass player, went up
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and saw a show at Trexel University in Philadelphia and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: met the promoter, Scott Hat from Burnt Toas's Final I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: don't know if you know him, and so Scott invited
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: us up to play a show and it was us
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Black Cherry Soda, which would become known as the Huntingtons.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I take that back, sorry, Cricket that
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: they would become the Huntington's and another band called Black
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Cherry Soda. And we got a really good reception because
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: we put on a really stupid show. We didn't care
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: about trying to look cool or be cool because we
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: knew we weren't, so we just kind of went with
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: what we knew, which was being stupid and silly and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: just having fun on stage while we played music. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: so the Scott invited us back and we played a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: show with MxPx and Blenderhead and wow On i think
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: their first tour together, and then started playing more learn
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: more shows in Philadelphia, getting like Philadelphia was pretty at
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that time, was still like primarily a hardcore scene, but
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: we were loud enough that we still kind of fit in,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and I guess we were kind of like a palette cleanser,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: because you know, you have a bunch of you have
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like early early Zao and some of those other bands
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: from that area, and then we'd get on stage dressed like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the guys from Ministry or something like that,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: or have a Mortal Kombat dance party in the middle
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of our set, and then they'd go back to more
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: hardcore bands.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: But what years just kind of would you say, was
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: this like ninety two ninety three, would you say?
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Or is it a little later?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: The Philadelphia stuff was probably ninety three ninety four around
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in that time period, I was what tenth grade.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Ice were so young?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, Like I didn't. I didn't have that many
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: friends in high school. I was a very introverted, quiet person.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I still am. So Like I would go all week
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: at school and not talk to anybody, and then like
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: leave Friday afternoon and go play Philadelphia on Friday, Ohio
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: on Saturday, and then somewhere else in Pennsylvania on Sunday
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and come back and then start school again. And nobody
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: had any clue at my school what I was doing, which.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I just can't imagine, Like you're like, at least for me,
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: when I.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Was that age, like I could barely like figure out
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: like algebra two, much less like figuring out playing in
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: front of like maybe one hundred kids or whatever like that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: That to me like feels way more daunte.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And yet like you still got to you still got
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: your algebra homework that you kind of make sure it's
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: do one Monday.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Fortunately I was a terrible student, so homework wasn't.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: That big of a deal.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: You're just like screw it anyway, right, But.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I managed to graduate. But let's see, so there was
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a whole Pennsylvania scene. It was like Philadelphia, Westchester, all
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: more east to like Lebanon in those areas, and so
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: we were just kind of really focusing on that network.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And then somebody there they were like, Hey, there's this
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: big festival out in Illinois called Cornerstone. You guys should go,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: or like nobody asked us to go, you know, so
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it's like we're not just going to show up and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: expect to play. But then someone was like, there's a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: skate ramp where you can just show up and play,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and so that seemed a little bit itenerator stage. Yeah,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: so we were just like, might as well, because I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: think we had already started playing shows in Illinois. We
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: figured out we could, you know, do Philadelphia, go to Illinois,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and then drive all the way back on Sunday so
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that you know, we were.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Home in time for school.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I might yeah, like imagining my son doing that as bonkers.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Just like I mean like like this feels like some
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: like weird like spin off.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Of like Saved by the Bell or.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Something like this.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Didn't they have a band?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they did.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Want to say there was an era where they had
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a band mark one of the guitarists in Kodiokey would
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: know anyway. So we drove out to Cornerstone, showed up,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: waited around to play at the skate ramp or the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Generator stage, and.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: It was funny.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: The band that either played before us or after us
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: was like this crazy ska band that was more like
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Mister Bungle than like a normal ska band. Like it
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: was scott Ish, but.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: The the lead singer was really great.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: He had long blue hair and like was just really charismatic,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and so he and I kind of hung out a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: little bit. And it was Reese from five Iron Frenzy
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in one of his like early bands. So this was
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: before five Iron even Yeah I don't know if they
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: were called five Iron at that time, but yeah, it
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: was cool to meet him. We played and it was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you know, people were interested. They just wanted to run
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: around and hit each other, so that's what they did.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But we found out we we did some networking, basically
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: just hanging out and talking.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Could you.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I'm always curious because I've heard a lot of stories
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: about the Generator Stage, but one thing I don't know
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: is could as a band that plays the Generator Stage,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: was there a way to like sell merch or CDs
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: or anything.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: At that time.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think officially you could sell merch. And a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: lot of those bands if they had merch, they had
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like ten T shirts and you'd be like, hey, if
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: anybody's interested, we'll be over at our van, you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: kind of wink wink, you know, because you're supposed to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: pay a merch fee if you sell merchant, right, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: if you're a teeny tiny band that is trying to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: make it, like, you don't want to pay a merch
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: fee on top of like just trying to make it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: So it was kind of like, hey, you know, talk
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to us over there and.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: We'll get you, you know, poked up.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't maybe we had T shirts.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to imagine, Like I mean, you guys
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: were you guys are in high school, like like there,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're already super limited and how much money
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: you've got, So the fact that you're going multiple states
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: over to Illinois, Like how do you just justify you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: unless like you're able to make some sort of money
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: from some of the shows that you're that you're doing
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: maybe along the way or or whatever, but like like
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: how do you justify going all the way to Cornerstone
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: without making any money from Cornerstone and then heading back.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Like I'm just trying to like for a sixteen year
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: old like that would that would that would make me
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: you know, I would put me in debt for the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: rest of my life probably, I don't know.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we were dumb enough to do
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it and not think about it, or if like we
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: just had enough to like get by because we had
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to pay for gas obviously.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Right, which is not like it is today.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I'm sure, no, no, thank goodness. Yeah, I think.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: We had to have T shirts because I know we
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: had a money box, which sounds incredibly ignorant on my part.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: We booked places to stay with people instead of getting
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: hotel rooms like you know. Yeah, so like we knew
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: people in Pennsylvania. We could spend the night there. We
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: could give people rides to the festival and then they
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: could us up with someone if like we needed someplace
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: to stay around what's the.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Area but I think Bush Bush now, Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So it was just like a lot of making friends
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: and making connections and like helping each other out otherwise,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and we didn't need all that much. You know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: we get a little bit of money and you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you get dinner at the show maybe, but you get
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: lunch and that was snacks after the show. Maybe what
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: does that?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: What is your pastor father?
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: It was wild.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like we were young enough that our
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: parents would be like, you know, here's some money, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: so you're not there starving, but it really I mean
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: once we did Cornerstone, that first Cornerstone, we found out
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: that if you have a newsletter or you know, back
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: then they call them zines, if you had a zine
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: or a newsletter or a mailing list, that was the thing.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: The key was having a mailing list with a certain
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: amount of people on it. And if you had that,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you could get press passes. As you could do you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: could get press passes into Cornerstone to do interviews for
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: your you know, magazine or newsletter or whatever. So that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: next year, every show we played, we just pushed our
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: mailing list on. People were like, hey, it doesn't matter,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get anything. Just put your name
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: on this news on this mailing list. And so we
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: submitted it to Cornerstone and we all got press passes.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So we got into Cornerstone for free because we had
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: press passes. And then we played the Generator stage again,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and then we had already played with MxPx and Blenderhead
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and a band had to cancel, maybe like Morella's Forest
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: or something like that had to cancel, and I think
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: somebody put us on the seven ball stage and we
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: were really well.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So it sounds like some like Christian version of like
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: eight like like is that like a is it like
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: some sort of into a note.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: To like eight ball? That's like a Christian version of that?
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Like what what is mean?
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I never thought to ask.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I always figured it was something cool that I didn't
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: know about, and so I wasn't going to ask and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: make myself.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Look like like we don't need an eight ball because
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: we're Christians. We got a seven ball? Like what is it?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: What is it that? What is to refer to?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: But it was like it was the hot deal back then.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: They had their own stage at you know stages at festivals.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I think there was even a seven Ball festival if
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I remember correctly. But yeah, after that Cornerstone thing pretty
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: much because that got us in contact with got us
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: more in contact with the tooth and Nail people right right.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, And to go back to what I was saying before,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: like when I mentioned poor Old Lou that cassette tape,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like it opened up a whole world to us that
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: there were people our age playing all kinds of music
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and it was really cool because it like it really
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: lit that fire of not to sound like a youth pastor,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: but it you know, it sparked something in us to
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: be like this is there's a possibility here for us
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to do something bigger than just rehearse, you know, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: play shows every once in a while.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: So that was why I brought all.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: That up, suh. But yeah, after that second Cornerstone, we
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: got in contact with like five minute walk of the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: other labels were interested in signing us to the Nail,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and we negotiated a lot. We actually got Saltan Peppa's lawyer,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: uh to negotiate our contract. He's some guy that he
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: lived in Maryland and I'm I can't remember his name.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I feel bad. He was a super nice guy but
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: like did not mess around when it came to contracts.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Like I remember talking to Brandon from To the Nail
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: years later, he was like, you guys were just a
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: bunch of punk kids from DC. We thought we were
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: gonna get minor threat or like just some gutter punk band,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and get them on a contract. But you
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: guys show up with Salt and Pepper's lawyer and it
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: totally shred the contract that we sent to you and
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: repackaged it. And so he was kind of blown that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he didn't get the contract that he wanted.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: But guy, though, that's yead, no doubt.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because me, like Tooth and Nail was like no,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: and again, like you know, I have we don't know
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: brainon at all, Like you know, we've heard lots of
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: different kinds of stories from different perspectives about him. But
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: like what I think is sort of unanimous about Tooth
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and Nail is like they definitely, especially for new bands,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: they were definitely like low balling a lot of contracts.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: So like, good on you guys for like you.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Know, feeling like, hey, we know our worth and you
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: know we're we're gonna we're gonna come in hot with
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: with somebody who knows what he's doing and uh and
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and get what you guys.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Are you know what you guys deserve.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the contracts, I mean, it's business. And if you know. Unfortunately,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: like if I had been in a band without the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: rest of goadiug I probably would have signed a terrible contract.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But because the way all of us work together, because
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the contract was like some of the contracts were like
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you signed for seven.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Records words, but they can drop you after one, right, and.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You only made royalties off of cassette sales, not LPs
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: or CDs, And it was an arrow when nobody was
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: really buying cassettes, and so we had to negotiate. We
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: negotiated a one plus one plus one, which meant three
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: albums and we could renegotiate what our contract would be
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: each time we released a record, which was a really
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: great deal for us, and we ended up doing more
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: records as a way to kind of like you scratch
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: our It was a quid pro coil with a tooth
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and nail, and we tried to be I think we were.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I think being really poor caused us to try to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: be a little bit smarter than we would have been.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Because we were on the East Coast, we were in DC,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: we didn't have any peers, we didn't have anybody showing
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: us the ropes. We didn't have anybody saying, oh, do this,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: don't do that. You know, when you go on tour,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: get this type of vehicle, don't get that type of
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you know. We didn't have anything, so we had to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: learn everything on our own. And one of the first
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: things we learned was take out Tooth and Nail's new
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: bands on tour with us. And that makes Tooth and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Nail really happy. So that was kind of our Like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: when we would go on tour, we would take their
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: recently signed bands that didn't have much of a following
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: in Tooth and Nail, Like, they bought my drum set,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: they bought our guitars, they bought stuff we needed for
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: tour and things like that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: With no recoup.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Like I just had to be in the band for
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: four years and drum set.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Was mine to keep forever. I mean I still have it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Wow, you know all the guys still have their guitars
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and amps and stuff like that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: There's no way they're doing shit like that anymore.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: No, and they don't.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate for the bands now, but I don't think
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Tooth and Nail needs to because I didn't realize that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: when we started, Tooth and Nail was basically still starting
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: right it wasn't until a couple of years ago. I
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: found an old catalog of like I was looking through
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: it and all the models for the Tooth and Nail
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: t shirts were people from Tooth and Nail bands. I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, they didn't have anybody, they didn't have models,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: they didn't they couldn't pay models, so it was all
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Tooth and Nail band people. And the catalog was like
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: six records, and then the next catalog after that. We
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: were in that catalog, and it dawned on me, like
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: how early we started on Tooth and Nail. It hadn't
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: really dawned on me before. It's like I was always
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the youngest in my peer group, so you kind of
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: have this concept that like everything has already exists, existed
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: because everybody already knows about it because you're the youngest
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and they're the oldest, and you know, at least that's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: how I approach things. So I always have this in
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: my mind that like everybody's way ahead of me on information.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So I didn't realize, you know, like we were one
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of the early bands.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: So what does what does your pastor father think about
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: old this? You know, here's about his son going to
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the supposed Christian festival and he's working with the supposed
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Christian label, but he's playing this raucous punk music. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm always curious about what the parental figures
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: in your life think about such a thing.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Mason and I talked about this a little bit during
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the technical difficulties.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: My dad was really weird.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: In a like all of my friends and family, like
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: my wife, like, they all know that my dad was
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: like on a completely different level. And if, like I
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: went into the stories about my dad, we'd be here
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: for hours. Let's see, I'll try to sum up some
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: like Okay, he's the type of guy he can pick
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: up any instrument and.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: He knows how to play it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I was in seventh or eighth grade. I was in
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: gym class and my dad just showed up. He wouldn't
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: go to the office, you know you're supposed to like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: check in and all that stuff. He just opened the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: gym door. I think I was playing basketball and he's like,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: hey Buck. He called me Buck my whole life. Yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: it's I used it a lot. He's like, you want
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: to go to New York? I was like sure, I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was like the city and he's like yeah, yeah, Oh
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: we lost Mason.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Oh he'll be back dotorry.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: He took me to New York City when I was
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: in the eighth grade. We get there and he's like,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I've got some meetings. Here's a little bit of money.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: We'll meet back up around like eight o'clock.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, what in New York City? How old
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: are you?
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I was, what, what are you like? Fourteen?
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Fourteen? In eighth grade?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I was in Times Square in like the late eighties
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: early nineties, and he just like I can still see
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: his shoulders as he walked away out of Times Square
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and I was standing there as a fourteen year old
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: kid just like I don't know what to do.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: So that's kind of my dad in a nutshell.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: So what is that kind of upbringing? Kind of due
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: to you as someone who's exploring this path. It's very
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: different than the rest of your family and the rest
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: of your peers for that matter.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was really helpful because my dad put me
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: in all kinds of weird situations. And he grew up
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: playing in rock bands and jazz bands, and I think
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: he was in a polka band for a while.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: The best in Cleveland, I mean Grandma and Grandpa know
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: of them.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Give me some Lawrence. Oh yeah, I'll go crazy for
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: some Lawrence walk.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like so it really prepared me for Oh and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: he was super into the fact that I was in
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: a band.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: He loved it. He was a minister, but he was like.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: The weirdest minister, Like he loved trains and like he
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: had like rooms full of trains.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Well, it's the autistic.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was on this. I wouldn't have
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: known it back then. But my wife, she has a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: master's in early childhood development and a lot of her
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: what a lot of what she does is she works
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: with kids of special needs. And the more stories I've
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: told her about my dad, She's like, your dad definitely
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: was on the spectrum. And I was, like, explains he
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: when I was in elementary school, because he was a minister,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: he would take me to weddings, he would take me
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to funerals. He would take me to all kinds of
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like stuff that he had to officiate. He took me
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to a funeral one time where it was a I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: grew up right outside of DC and a lady in politics.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I could look up the history because this
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: has to be something. But she was shot during some
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: political thing, and my dad was doing the funeral, and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: so he had to get there early because he is
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the minister. And it's this big, long room and the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: caskets all the way on the other side of the room.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: So my dad's talking to me as we walk through
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the room. We're getting closer and closer to the body,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and we get right up by the casket. My dad's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: like making sure everything looks okay, and I'm standing there
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: right I'm with him. I've been to several funerals at
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: this point, but I don't know if I'd ever been
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that close to a body. So it was kind of
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: weirding me out. Somebody from the funeral home it was like, oh, reverend,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: we need to ask you about something. He's like okay,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: He's like, but I'll be right back, and like walks
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: out of this huge room and leaves me alone with
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the body, and I'm just standing there. I'm like staring
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: at this woman and it's like my brain can't handle
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that, like to see a human not move
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: at all is really unnerving when you're not expecting.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I've actually shared that one with my therapist and like
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: we've spent a little time on that one, but he was,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he was totally He would show up to the shows,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: like he'd find out Godyoak was playing. Like we played
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: a show in Pennsylvania somewhere with I can't remember who
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the band was, but it was like some hardcore band,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, we get up and play and I
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: look up and my dad's just like two people back
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: in the audience just stating there, loving every minute of it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: So he was totally fine, Like he didn't give it
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a second thought that I was telling Mason, Like I
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: graduated from high school. The next day, I left to
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: go on a two month long tour all like the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Northern Route around America, then the Southern route bow And
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I know that my dad didn't give it a second thought.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: He just loved it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: He loved the fact that I was out there doing something.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It freaked my mom out, but you know every mom's
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: going to be.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Like that, right of course.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So I lucked out definitely in a way to have
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: parents that like totally supported being able to go out
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and do stuff like that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: That's definitely not every band's story, for sure, No.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Especially if you're a pastors kid. I feel like I
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: feel like most of the time we hear that story,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: it's it's a very different kind of story. It tends
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: to be more like a legalistic kind of following where
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: they're questioning what your motives are and why you're doing
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: this and.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: So on and so forth.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, my parents were like they noticed that I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: really liked music when I was young, big into the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Beatles and the Beach Boys when I was little, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: then i'd say sixth grade was when I really started
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: just having the headphones on all the time and listening
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: to music either in my room or on the bus.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: And their thing was because they were more aware.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Of like the satanic panic with heavy metal bands and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, and they're like, if we start to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: feel like you're becoming a different person or we feel
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: like the music is having a negative effect on you,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: then we're going to have to have a conversation about
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the music you're listening to. And I was like, that's fair,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you know, So I never let I just enjoyed the music.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh, this is who I am, you
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: can't change me or anything like that. It was just
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: like I dig the music and I'm still me. You know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, like I wasn't trying to rebel
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: against anything, you know, So there was I had to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: give away one rep and it was like, are you
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: familiar with mister Bungle at all?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I had their first full length and of all the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: CDs for my mom to pull out of my collection
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and read the lyrics, that was the one she picked.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And it was just like, oh my gosh, I can't
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: believe you read those lyrics.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: And she's like, yeah, you got to get rid of
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: this one.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, So I took it to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a u CD store, sold it, and then used that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: money to buy a new copy of them all later that.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Day, A classic.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: So I did what she asked.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then but then totally did the opposite. Woh,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, So you know there's a lot of like
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: kind of the you know, the early part, you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: kind of your main history of Godi hook you guys.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: So you guys do it for you know, ten years
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: or so a little over ten years.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: You know, you're you're releasing albums, you're two around the world,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: around the country especially, and then and you know it
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: just sort of ends for I'm sure for a variety
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: of reasons in the early two thousands, and there really
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: hasn't been a lot of activity since then. You guys
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: have obviously played like a few shows here and there
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: over the last twenty five years basically, but yeah, I'd
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: love to just kind of hear like, where are you
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: all at now?
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Like what again?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Like I know that you guys have, you know, played
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: some shows sparingly, but is there any desire to release
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: new music at some point?
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Are you guys wanting to actually maybe.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Do some tour stuff, more shows, like what sort of
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the the maybe life of Goaty Hook now, you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: knowing that it's it's been quite some time since the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: kind of the main those that main decade of the nineties.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, the fact that we could
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: come back at all is just I never thought that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: would happen.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: That's so cool because I mean, in.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Real terms, there's you know, like Blink Wantity to Green Day,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and then you know, all the bands all the way down,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: you know, the the hierarchy of like the bands who
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: are big to the bands that are small. Gody Hook
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: was not a big band, like in the big scheme
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: of things, we did what we did, it was awesome.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: It was a blessing far, far beyond what I ever
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: deserved in my life. Like I had two goals when
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I was in high school, and it was one to
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: go on tour and two to have a record get
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: sold in Tower Records. And I did both of those things,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and so I was kind of like everything else's cake.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: And I always.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not really a like silver lining type person. I'm
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: pretty realistic to cynical most of the time. But I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: always tried to be the guy that was like, we
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: don't deserve this. It's crazy that we got it, and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the fact that we're complaining about some unimportant bullshit is dumb.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Like we could be in a cubicle right now with
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Kyle in a pair of doctor pants that don't fit
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: all that well, you know, typing out on some spreadsheet
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: about something none of us care about. That's what we
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: could be doing right now. But instead we're in Germany,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: or we're on tour with MxPx, or we're playing a
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: show with you know, whatever it is we're doing right
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: now is far better than what we could be doing,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: no matter how much this might suck at this moment.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: But because there were a lot of moment There were
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of difficult moments. But I tried to be
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that guy, and I tried to I tried to make
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: it real. Have you ever met one of those people
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that they're like, oh, man, this is awesome. I'm so glad,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. Everything's gonna be awesome, and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just a big crop. Like you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: they're psyching themselves up.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Right, and as soon as there's like one moment of inconvenience, they're.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Out right now I'm home, I'm going home, and it's
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: just like, just be real, you know. So I wanted
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: my appreciation for our position to be real. So all
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: that to say, like the fact that twenty five years
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: later we could get together and play a show and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: anybody cares is just crazy to me. The fact that
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: anybody on Facebook or Instagram would discuss one of our
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: records or something that we did is like almost like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it's somebody else. It's like I see other people experience that,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that's so cool. But like when
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I come across that, like I'll comment on Facebook or wherever,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you know, And I've had some friends who are just like, ah,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't comment.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: It makes you look kind of like, you know, not
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: cool or whatever, And I'm like, I am.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: The coolest, crazy what that's the coolest thing.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm so appreciative that anybody cares that about something
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: we did, you know, when we were young. And I
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: still have that impetus of like I had so many
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: bands put on shows that I loved, put out records
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: that I love, and I had moments where I was like, Ah,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: this record's so good. You know, I love listening to
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: this song. You know, Oh, the bridge in this song
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: is so cool. I can't wait until it gets to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that part art. You know, I always have that desire
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: to want to give that back. It's like I want
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: to be in a position where some kid can be
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: in his Toyota Tursell on his way to high school
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh man, the intro to this song
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: always gets me.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: It's like that's what I want. That's what I want
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: to be a part of.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: You know. As for the future of Gody Hook and
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: all of that, I don't know. We're just kind of
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: taking it as it comes, not pushing it too hard,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: not and it's difficult.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: We all have kids, we all have jobs.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Touring pretty much is probably not an option at this point,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: unless it would be like weekends, you know, something to
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: that affair.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: That's the funny thing, Like you guys could be just
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: going right back to like sixteen years old again.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Just do your weekend thing and just make sure that
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: you clock in by Monday.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, which I'd be fine with. I'm not so
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: sure our wives would be super pumped. But I would
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like to put out some new music I've wanted to
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: for years. I'm friends with Jeff Cloud from Velvet Blue,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and he's always down, you know, to put out music,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: you know, And I'll send him an email and I'm like, hey,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: it's been a while, but if we were to happen
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to put out an EP or a record, what would
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: you think? And He's like, let's do it, you know.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: So it's nice to have that.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Where's the rest of the band on that.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: They want to? But like I said, we all have
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: jobs and it's hard. My job is really weird.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a graphic designer and my job I've been working
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: from home since twenty nineteen and they don't care when
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I work as long as I do the work. So
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I could work two o'clock in the morning. As long
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: as I hit my deadlines, they don't care, you know.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: So it's like I can go like when I first
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: started working there, I went for like two months without
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: doing any work, and it was like I would just
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: sit in my cubicle watching like movies or drawing or
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: doing whatever I wanted. And finally my boss came over.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I don't want this to be weird,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: but I haven't worked on a project in like two months.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that's fine, that's just how it's the
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: way it is here. I was like, Okay, I've never
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: had a job like that. All my jobs have some
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: boss like yelling at me because I haven't done something
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: on time, you know. So it's like I can go
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: for a huge periods of time where I don't work
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: on a project, but then I'll have other times where
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: it's like three months of just like crazy deadlines. Yeah,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: you know, it's feast or famine. So I'm able to
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I've actually been working on demos, new demos for Gody
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: hook stuff nice, and I'm half of what my dad
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was like, I can play the bass guitar, but I
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: can't tell you what notes they are what string I like.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I know how to tune the bass, and I can
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: play the songs that I write, but I couldn't. I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: could probably learn another song I don't I've not tried,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be able to tell you, like what
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: notes I'm playing or anything to that cat or like
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: what I remember.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I played a song for someone and they're like, what
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: key is this in? Like I don't know what that means.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I'm a drummer. I hit things, you know, And that's
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: not like hyperbole at all.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Like I legitimately don't know what I'm doing, but I
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: know enough to be able to put stuff together that
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the guys can take and turn.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Into a song. It's just finding the time, you know.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: And so it's like I get a little impatient sometimes
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: with music. Because Gody Hook broke up and then I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: joined a band called The Party People with Eric from
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Dennis and Mars and his friend and Jeff Cloud from
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: all his different projects at that time, and then did
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: a couple of shows with that band, but it was
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: too difficult. Eric was in Florida, I was in DC.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Jeff was in California, so rehearsal was.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: A little difficult.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Played Joel and I Joel from Gody Hook, and I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: had another band where we actually played at Cornerstone one year.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: It was called Grayson and it was some friends of
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: ours from a band called Room, and it was a
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it a concept show about David
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: from the Bible committing adultery with Bathsheba, and just like
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: approaching it from I think sometimes we get separated from context.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: In the Bible. We can read about somebody, but.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: If you're not putting yourselves in their shoes in that moment,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: there's some context that gets lost. There's some saliva and
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: sweat and smells that all get lost. I was thinking
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: about this, like podcasts are nice because I don't have
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to smell anybody that I listened to, you know, right.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Now, I literally just got done moving cows, so.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: I could deal with that, you know.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: But like, so that's what that was all about. It
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: was like trying to get into the sweat and the
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: saliva and the feeling of.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: That moment. So I don't know why I'm talking about
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: it so much.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: It was one show, But I've pretty much played music
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: ever since I left Gody Hook, and I'm in another
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: band right now it's kind of like a Willco with
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit of the Decembrists mixed in.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun, it's it's I learned.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Like the first main band I started playing in after
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Gody Hook and the Party People was a singer singer
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: songwriter named Andy Ziff and he's very quiet, very delicate
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: with his music, kind of like an angelic quality like Jeff.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: But.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: More on the pretty side of things. And so like
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: to go from like playing as hard as I possibly
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: can to as soft as I possibly can was a
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: huge switch for me. But it was kind of like
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: a reset that brought me back to drumming and like
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: re calibrating how I played the drums. And it's really
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: sad because playing these shows with Godyuk and rehearsing with
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Godyuke again, I am a way better drummer than I ever.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Was in Godyuk and I'm just like, that's such a bummer.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I listened to our records and I'm like, I could
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: have done this so much better, Like our first to
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Sumo and Banana Man, They're not to click track because
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do that, and most of
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: our shows.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Till about my my early twenties.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: No, not that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Like most of our shows and like the maybe the
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: first half of our touring, I didn't even really understand
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: music theory or music concepts of like first chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, autro.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: I primarily knew that.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Like, the song was quiet here and the song was
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: louder here, and I would listen to guitar cues that
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: let me know when that was gonna happen, or vocal cues.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: But the more we toured and the more we were
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: using really crappy sound systems in the middle of like
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: BF nowhere, I couldn't hear those cues. So I'd be
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: playing and like I'd get the guitar look, you know
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: they all you know when I mess up a song
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: and I and it started happening a lot, and I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: hated it so much. So like I had this old
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Cassio keyboard that had a drum demo, and so I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: would set the tempo in a drum loop and I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: would play along over and over and over again until
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I figured out how to play along with the click
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: track and then started to play with just a quick
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: click track. I learned all of Godio. I went back
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and relearned all of Goldy Hook's music in the structure,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and so it's a bummer because it could have been
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: so much better. But it's nice now because you know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I can be up on the stage or in rehearsal
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and be a part of the conversation when something happened,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: something weird happens, and sorry, I went way.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Off the rights on that topic.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: It's a great inside look, really, so I'm it's.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: And it's tough to as a musician because a lot
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of times when musicians get really good, their records start
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: to really.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Suck, true, and it's hard.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: To It's almost like the growing old thing and like
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: trying to not look cool but look cool because you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: don't look cool, like towing that whole line of like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I understand and I accept that I'm getting older, but
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I still want to be relevant, like learning how to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: write music where our ability far exceeds what we could
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: do when we were sixteen or twelve. So I've really
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: been trying to focus on the moment the idea comes
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: into my head for a song, because a lot of
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: times you get an idea for a song and it's
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: either a melody or some guitar part and that moment
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: is way better than anything else that comes after, because
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: it's it's so new, and it's so fresh and exciting
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: that it's this new idea that the possibilities of what
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: it could be become really exciting. Sure, and then sometimes
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: when you try to shape it and create it and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: make it nice and shiny, it just becomes ro boring.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to focus on staying in that moment
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: and not polishing it up all that much, just going
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: with what I felt in that moment and expanding it
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: instead of being like, oh, people are gonna think I'm
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: such a good songwriter. They're gonna be so impressed, you know,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: just throwing all of that out and just being like,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I like this, it's loud, it's fast.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Let's do that and then move on, move on to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: the next one.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: So hopefully we can get something together and put it.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: Out, you know, Fingers crossed say yeah, we'll keep our
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: fingers crossed as a fan base, because I feel like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: the world does need a little more goady hook. I agree,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: and it sounds like you're maybe the one that's kind
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: of driving the flag forward for that.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: It's because I have the time, right righte and Jamie
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: and I live close together. Joel lives up in New Jersey,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: so he doesn't get to rehearse with us, but Jamie
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: and I still rehearse like every other week.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing a show in October where we're playing
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Sumo Surprise in its entirety, and there's songs on that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: record that we haven't played in over thirty years, so
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: some of them were I mean, muscle memory is the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: craziest thing because if we start a song usually we
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: can finish it even if we haven't played it. But
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: we're still rehearsing to make sure we don't get on
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: stage and look like a bunch of idiots.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: That's gotta be something more than we normally do.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: It's exciting.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gotten to a point where it's like I've
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: messed up on stage so many times that like, it's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: kind of exciting when I mess up because then it's
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: it's new, it's something.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Different, right, it makes sense those happy accidents, as Bob Ross.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Calls them, you know, oh, totally exactly.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: And it's sometimes like I've discovered like drum things that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that was so weird. I gotta do
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: that again, then it ends up being a part of something.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Different exactly exactly, well, Adam, let's uh, let's dive into
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: your top five most influential albums, so the albums that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: have shaped you as a musician, as a person, you know,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: however you want to interpret it, So not necessarily favorite albums,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: but your top one most influential.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: Most influential.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: This is something we used to catch a lot of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: flak for in the Christian interviews because none of our
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: records were ever Christian records. I would say the most
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: eye opening, like undefinable but fantastic record would be Angel Dust.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: By Faith No More.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Great Faith No More has been my favorite band since
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I discovered them. I saw them on a what do
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: you call it? A rerun of Saturday Night Live on
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the Comedy Channel, and I was like, oh my gosh,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I love this, and so I went out and I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: can't think of the name of that record with Epiconic,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: got that record and was super into it, and then
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Angel Dust came out and I was like, whoa, this
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: is heavy and it's big and it's all over the place,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: and I love everything about it.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: I've been a Faith No More. Mike Patton fan forever.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I have like all of Mike Patten's solo records thus
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: you know, the Mister Bungle stuff, so that that would
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: probably be the biggest, most influential record of my life. Uh.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: For the topic of our conversation, I would say Punk
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: and Drublic by No Effects. I would be on there
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: because it was so fast. You know, growing up is
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: like a little metal head. There were a lot of
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: songs that were fast, and I love thrash metal and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, but it was just like sometimes you
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: wanted it to be so fast that you just couldn't
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: touch it. Yeah, And there's songs on Punk and Drublic
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: like Linoleum. If you sit down and try to play Linoleum,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, good lord, this is so fast and like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: the fills that he's doing.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: What do they call him? Stinky? No smelly? Is the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: drummer for No Effects. I forget what they call him.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but that like that, well, I don't know.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: This is where I get caught up because it's like.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I think some people approach questions like this where they're like, well,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: it's this, this and this, and they don't really care
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: like I get the super geeky part of me, a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: nerdy part like starts to hulk out and just be like, oh,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I want to discuss all these records. It would be
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: between Ribbed and Punk and Drublic, those two records, because
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: there's stuff those records that it's almost like Angel Dust
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: for where they're trying things that are going outside of
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the scope of their genre and incorporating them in and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: it really worked and it was like really great. So
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna cheat and I'm gonna make my second pick
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: two records.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: Oh man, there's so many.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I also get tongue tied because it's like a traffic
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: jam in my brain of all the answers being like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: ooh oh ah, everybody loves dead air on a podcast,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: right all right. The first one that popped into my
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: head for number three Caribou by the Pixies.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's an underrated Pixies album too massively.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: It's really it has all the Pixie stuff there. But again,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to notice a pattern.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: It's like you feel them stretching and finding new things.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: In that record, to new ways to express what they want,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: and they're not really they're not concerned about how it
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: fits in in other places. So I really I really
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: like that record.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: I think actually the album, I know what you're talking about.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: So they have the song called Caribou, but I think
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: the album is called come On Pilgrim.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, sorry, come On Pilgrim. That one.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I listened to that a lot in high school. I'd
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: probably say after that, I just thought of a funny one.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: But really influential for my touring life was a Twisted Sisters,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Big Hits and Nasty Cuts. Oh okay, it was a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: lot of It was their best of the first half
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: of it was They're big hits, their singles, and then
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: the second half was Nasty Cuts. It was from their
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: live shows and d Snyder was an awesome front man,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: just like got everybody into the you know, just got
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: them into the show. And if you weren't into the show,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, he has a quote. He's like, oh,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: everybody's gonna laugh at you if you're clapping along with
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the song. He's like, well, if somebody laughs at you
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: for clapping along with the song, you kick him in
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the face and you can hear the audience just be
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: like a.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: He's a genuine he's a genuinely good person too.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, like charismat and I think he's like
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: big into like donating for charities and things like that.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he also had like helped save like the alternative
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: music industry and yeah, late eighties, early nineties, Yeah, late yeah,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: early nineties.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: And does he still have his radio show.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know on that for sure, but I have
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of respect for d Snyder, even though I'm
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: not like the biggest like Twist's sister fan, Like, I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: think he's an incredible person.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely influenced how I approached playing live shows where
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't know where I think.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: I was playing a show in Pennsylvania.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Out of college and I was in a super bad mood.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I was like I almost like didn't walk on stage.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I am so pissed.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: I don't want to do this.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: But then like I walked to the back of the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: stage and it was just like one of those huge
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: auditoriums just full of people, and I was like, these
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: people don't care.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: That I'm in a bad mood.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: And it was I realized like they bought, they used
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: their own money to buy a ticket to come see
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, and it's like my bad mood doesn't matter.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: And so it was like that kind of became my
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: mantra where it was just like, whatever I'm going through
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I've bought tickets to lots of shows, and I want
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: to see an awesome show, and I'm not thinking about
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: like what the bass player had for lunch, or what
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: the lead singer you know, talked about to his girlfriend
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: five minutes before he walked on stage. You know. It's like,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I just want to hear the songs I like and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: have a good time, you know. So I tried to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: remember that, and it was like De Snyder was one
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: of those people where it was just.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: Like we're here to have fun.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Do that, you know, do that, you know, And it's like,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure if I could watch video of my self
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: playing live, I would probably like want to curl up
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: into like the most embarrassed, painful, cringy.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: Speck of dust you could imagine.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: I hate seeing myself, But at the same time, it's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: just like, do something, Do.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Anything to make the audience remember that show.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: Right, Do something?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like there are so many bands that
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: stare at their guitar pedal while they play, and then
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: they walk off stage and that's it, and that's fine.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: I just saw a band.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I went and saw Failure last week and their opening
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: band was like the most boring band I've ever seen
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: in my life. And I've seen a lot of bands.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: I don't want to like brag, but I've toured for
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: like ten years.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: You see a lot of pants right as Like the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: bass player never looked at the audience. He stared at
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: his bass cabinet and looked at the one guitarist, and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I get the kind of like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: James Dean cool, like I'm not going to look at
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: the audience. Like I get that, I understand the vibe.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: It's just like if the rest of your band is
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: boring as not, you standing with your back to the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: audience the whole time just looks like you're afraid, you know.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: Or they just like don't want to be there, which
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: I would the audience.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: There are so many other musicians that are awesome that
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: would love to take your spot, you know.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: That was another thing I had. It was like the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: fear of just like I could be this. There are dudes.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Watching me right now while I play, who are way
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: better than I am and could do what I'm doing
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: so much better. But I'm the one up here. So
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: make it fun, make it remember, you know, make it
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: something they can remember. So that's d Snyder's influence on me.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: So it is it faith no more, are no effects.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: The Pixies, Twisted Sister one more.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Mmmm. It's tough. It is tough. Do you guys have
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: any suggestions?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: We don't know. You man, not like you know you.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: Could do it.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you want, Yeah, do a Gody
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: Hook record. Nah, I've always been There's only been one
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: band that I can think of that's ever done their
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: own record on the most influential records.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was that.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: I don't remember who it was. I think it might
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: have been.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: It was years ago.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: It was Please for Purging. I think that's clear.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's cool in one sense.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Uh, Like, I've written a lot of solo music and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: I still go back and listen to it because I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: wrote it for me, right, I don't care if anybody
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: likes it. Gody Hook was a little too complicated because
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: there was an audience you know, already there. But if
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: a person can honestly be like a record I wrote
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: is really influential to my life.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: I think that's amazing.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, sure, sure.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Super egotistical, but you know, amazing. Oh geez, I'm trying
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: to like, I'm almost tempted to open up Spotify and just.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: Start scrolling through.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: I mean what I would do if I were, well,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: let's do that.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: Let's give your audience some dead hair.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: So who who is your audience?
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Anybody and everybody?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it is is like kind of an
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: interesting mix. I will say it's like probably probably mostly
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: people that grew up on tooth and nail throughout probably
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: all of the different eras of tooth and nail, I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: would say, primarily I'm sure Colin would say this too,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Probably primarily tooth and nail people, or at least people
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: that grew up in that world.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just a couple of years ago learned about
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the second wave, the tooth and nail second wave that
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: happened in like the early two thousands or like the teens.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: That's when they like really started to make some money.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy. Can you hear my cat?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: Your cat?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think your cat's clearly a big second
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: wave Tooth and Nail fail.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: His name is Dusk oh Dust.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: That sounds like a second wave tooth and Nail album.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: That sounds like an album that like Amberlin would have
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: had or something.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah was Amberlin? I know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: of what is it? Oh there was a band. We
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: played with them a bunch of times. They had a
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: big green tour bus, and I remember the drummer would
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: play like real fast punk music, but then like he
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: would always have a chance to like push his glasses
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: up while he was He would like do it Phil
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: and then push his.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: Classes back up real quick.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: Amberetta or something like that.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: No, No, those guys would have came after you guys
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: this time. And I'm trying to think who what drummer
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: would have had glasses?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: This was a long time ago. This was like when
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: we were like, uh, probably Banana Man era.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's like very early then.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, I'm just gonna go with.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: The super obvious that's staring all of us in the face,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna go a screeching weasel booget a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: booget a boogy go.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: As that was he that record did a.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Really great job of towing the line between like pissed
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: off punk anthems and songs about like not really liking
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: your girlfriend or not really liking where you're growing up
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: and just whatever topics, and it all fit together. And
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I listened to that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: record when it first came out, and I actually just
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: saw them a couple of weeks ago up in Baltimore.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: It was a good show. It was the Queers, Screeching Weasel.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: I forget who the opening band was. The Huntington's were there,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: but I didn't get to see them. They didn't play,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: they were.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Just there to see the bands.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that book, A book a Boogita by Screeching
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Weasel would be my number five great call.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be lying, to some degree, you can kind
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: of hear a little bit of each one of those
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: as weird you know you got, I mean, you've got
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: like Twitts's sister in there, obviously, Screeching Weasel and kind
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: of everything in between, and you can kind of hear
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit of all of that in Gody Hook.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: It's it's kind of an interesting mix, but it all
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: kind of makes sense and obviously you're not like the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: primary songwriter in Gody Hook, but like, obviously you've got
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: to say in it as well as the other guys.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: But you can kind of hear a little bit of
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: all of those in Goady Hook. To some degree.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: We were all we were.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: It was hard pressed for us to listen to a
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: record on two like, because back then we didn't have
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: nobody had the ox, you know, we just had like
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: a six seed disc changer, and so you have that
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: little black brick and you put six CDs in it
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: and you plug it in under the chair and that's
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: what you listened to for the next four to five hours.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: And there weren't that many moments when someone would put
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: in a record and you would just be like, ugh,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: not this record.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: Again.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: We all pretty much listened to the same stuff. All
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: grew up listening to the same stuff, and so I think,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: you know, if you were to ask the other guys,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: it would be a similar list. So it's funny that
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you say that, because there's times, you know, let's see,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: like some of the stuff we wrote for sum a Surprise,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I was probably fourteen or fifteen, and and there were
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: different versions, you know, they would change throughout the years.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: But there was some stuff where it's like, oh, I
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: don't know if I like that, or that's kind of embarrassing,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: that's kind of kid stuff. But then going back and
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: listening to some of these records, like what you said,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: I get where that comes from.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: That's that record, or we stole that from that band,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: you know, And so I'm glad we did that. I'm
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: glad we either were ignorant enough or comfortable enough to
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: kind of where our influences on our sleeves a little bit,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: because I think if you try to hide it, you
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: just end up kind of looking a little silly.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for true, for sure, for sure.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: Well, Adam, what do you want to plug?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Obviously there's like maybe not necessarily anything quite on the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: horizon yet for Gody Hook, But yeah, what.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: Do you want to plug?
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's your own work, maybe maybe there is
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: something Gody Hook related or what, or maybe it's like
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: a friend's thing you want to plug.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: But yeah, what what is it you want to plug?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Uh, Joel, Jamie and I, you know, we all live
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: on the East Coast, and Mark Solomon, he lives on
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: the East Coast, he's in Florida, that's right, and we
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: love he's actually he's a great guy. He's it's been
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: funny to get to know him over the years because
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: like the first time I met him, it was like
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: the first time I met staves Acre, it was be
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: like if you took one of the new kids on
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: the block and like put him in one of those
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: like real prison shows where it's it's like you've got
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Mark Solomon, Jeff Blue, Dirk and Sam and they're all
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: just like, these guys are gonna kill us.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: It's like, uh, it was.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Really scary, but we ended up being like like we
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: probably toured with him more than anybody else. But yeah,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: and Mark is still like I don't think he has
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: the mustache.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Oh he still has it. It's a handle bar, yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: it's yeah.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: Mark looks like looks like he still works for NASCAR.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: Or Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Or or or like a biker bar reenactment. Yeah, Bike
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: of Bar security.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: That's more like it yea or or or that he's
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: in prison, I mean the prison. He's doing something. He's
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: doing something that fits the stereotype for sure.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Someone I don't want to wake up in the middle
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: of the night and.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, you definitely like if you end up in trouble,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: you want him with us.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Just recently, Yeah, is that a furnace fast? Yeah?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: Nice, he's got he's gone all white.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah he went yeah, he's gone all white. Yeah yeah,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: I mean he he he could do a good Santa.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. Solomon the White.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like got too good. I'm gonna call him that
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: from now on. Please do I've got I've got here
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: with me?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: Oh nice, fansiastic.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: He's the older brother of Gandolf the Gray.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: He's one of the Illumatar Mason. It's it's uh, it's
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: something you want to understand.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: You gotta get to I'm not nerdy enough.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's impressive, dig it. Uh. We are planning on doing.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Some split projects with Codyhook and Staves Acre.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's awesome.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Possibly shows and possibly recorded stuff. I was in a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: band called The Cowards Choir for a long time and
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: we had two drummers, which is just for a drummer.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: It is just so much fun to have another drummer
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: in the band because you don't get to talk about
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: symbols with anybody in the band.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: You know because nobody cares. So, yeah, that's you heard
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: it here.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: First, I will I will travel for that.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would travel for that.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: That better, that better end up on Wikipedia.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a little intimidating to play opposite
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: of Sam West. He is a just monster drummer. Like
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times on tour, I would
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: watch him and just be like, I should probably quit.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: I should. I've done my best, and I recognize I'm done.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: There's no room for me in this.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Sam actually played what is it, It's called The long Tail,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: So I was in the coward Schoir, the two drummer
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: bands with an The lead singer is Andy Ziff. I've
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: played with him for years, but Andy actually had Ryan
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: and Sam play on his record called The long Tail, which.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Is a cool record.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: And it was a weird way for my world to
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: you know, snake eating its own tail type things, right, yeah,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: or Kevin Bacon, so yeah, all ancestual. It's like the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: you can't know musicians without them knowing other musicians that
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: Very overlapped. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: It is a small world. So well, super excited for
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: all of that.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously Colin and I are huge fans of Safe Sacre,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: big fans Mark God Bless that man. He's just a
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: lovely human being through and through so well, Adam, thanks
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: for chatting all things Goaty Hook again. It's a huge
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: honor anytime we can get some of those like original
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: tooth and Nail.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: Bands on the podcast chatting about their history.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: It really feels like really really important work and just
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: like important important conversations, you know.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: I often I was just telling somebody this the other day.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like, like, like what Colin and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: I are doing And I don't mean this in like
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: a way that like we're doing this well or anything,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: but like maybe the point.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Of the podcast fratulating.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to self grandize here, but
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: like I just feel like at least what I'm trying,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do is have conversations with a
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: lot of artists that have either influenced the world that
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Colin and I are in, or have listened to, or
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: obviously are the artists themselves that Colin and I have
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: really been influenced by. And Gody Hook is one of those,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: you know, one of those bands that you know, even
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: though you guys were a little bit before our time,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: have clearly influenced the world that Colin and I were
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: in and grew up in and then have changed our lives.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: And so you know, anytime we can kind of get one.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Of those forefathers, if you will, of that world, it's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: a it's a huge deal for us. So thank you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: so much for Chatty Moore about Gody Hook and and
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: all things Gody Hook.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: And yeah, hopefully we can hear some new Goate Hook
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: music sometime soon.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: So thanks thanks for doing this. It's Jeff from Five Iron.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: You know, she was like, hey, these guys are a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: little bit younger than us. I was like, why do
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: they want to talk to me? And I guess, you know,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: maybe a box to check off or something. But yeah,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's like I was saying earlier, it's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: just it's mind blowing to me that anybody would care.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: You know, imagine you're core group of friends when you
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: were like twelve years old, did something that people are
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: going to want to have you on a podcast when
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: you're almost fifty years old.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: God, I hope not what I did in twelve when
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: when I was twelve. I hope does not still effen.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: All Mason was talking about was like what Glenn Beck
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: was talking about that week.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, God, God, God forbid anything that I did at
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: twelve years old still exists in the world.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: Hopefully that was left in two thousand and When was
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: that two thousand and six.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: It's like Sean haddit he had this great this great down.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: All right, we're done with this.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: We're done.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: We're done.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: Have you heard about this gold?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, and don't drink the juice boxes. It's right.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Aw where are you guys from South Dakota were up
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: In South Dakota.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I could have told you stories about
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: South Dakota really and North Dakota.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: We'll have to have it. You've got other times on.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: God, Thank well, Adam, thank you so much. And uh yeah,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: we'd love to have you back on.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: Thanks, I'd love Maybe I can get one of the other.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Guys to join it, that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be awesome.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: Do it, Okay,