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The DiCecco Daily: What Must Eagles O-Line Do To Bounce Back In 2026? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: What's happened?
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Speaker 2: And everyone, Welcome into another edition of the Checho Delhi
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Speaker 2: Andrew de Checko, Eagles beat reporter for insidethbirds dot Com,
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Speaker 2: and our positional preview series rolls on and today we're
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Speaker 2: going to take a closer look at the Eagles offensive line. Look,
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Speaker 2: it was a unit that didn't meet expectations last season.
0:28
Speaker 2: There were a lot of reasons for that. Injuries mounted
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Speaker 2: and as a result, the rushing attack wasn't where it
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Speaker 2: needed to be. I've talked at nauseam about how the
0:38
Speaker 2: Eagles foundationally are built to take advantage of teams in
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Speaker 2: the trenches there and with Saquon Barkley, that's their objective
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Speaker 2: and then the passing game stems from that. But when
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Speaker 2: their offensive line isn't performing as we've grown accustomed to
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Speaker 2: seeing them perform, that kind of short circuits the entire
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Speaker 2: operation there. But let's look at the offensive line, because
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Speaker 2: when healthy, they are obviously among the league's best, if
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Speaker 2: not the league's best.
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Speaker 1: You have Jordan Mylotta left.
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Speaker 2: Tackle, and then you have Landon Dickerson at left guard.
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Speaker 2: Land and Dickerson battled a litany of injuries last season,
1:18
Speaker 2: and it's remarkable that he was able to play in
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Speaker 2: as many games and come back into as many games
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Speaker 2: as he.
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Speaker 1: Did in an Ultimate Warrior.
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Speaker 2: And yes, you have to worry about how much longer
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Speaker 2: he's actually going to play.
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Speaker 1: There was the flirtation there with retirement.
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Speaker 2: And that obviously as a result of all the injuries
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Speaker 2: that he's not only sustained at the NFL level but
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Speaker 2: also dating back to college. But when healthy, Landon Diggerson
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Speaker 2: is without a doubt, and All Pro Guard center Cam
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Speaker 2: Jurgens another player who had a down season.
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Speaker 1: He's still made the Pro Bowl.
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Speaker 2: Surprisingly, but Cam Jurgens is someone who is highly intelligent.
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Speaker 2: He moved well, but last season he was returning from
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Speaker 2: back surgery less than a year removed at the time.
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Speaker 2: He had that in February, and that takes some time
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Speaker 2: to fully recover from.
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Speaker 1: It limits your mobility and your movement.
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Speaker 2: And I believe that that was really evident when you
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Speaker 2: watch Cam Jurgen's play. That was a show of the
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Speaker 2: player that we saw in twenty twenty four and late
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Speaker 2: in that season was he was hobbled by injuries and
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Speaker 2: really gutted it out. But I'm not so sure that
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Speaker 2: I have a ton of concern when healthy, because it
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Speaker 2: wasn't like he there was a drop off in in talent.
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Speaker 1: Level or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: He went to Medean to try, you know, try different measures,
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Speaker 2: exhaust all options to ensure that he's doing everything that
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Speaker 2: he can in his power to get better.
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Speaker 1: And I do believe the reason why I'm not overly.
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Speaker 2: Concerned is because he'll be further removed from the back injury,
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Speaker 2: and all that taken into consideration, you should feel comfortable
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Speaker 2: about Cam Jurgens going into the twenty twenty six season.
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Speaker 1: Now it's you could look at it a multitude of ways.
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Speaker 2: You're going to medeen, which means that they're still lingering effects,
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Speaker 2: so that's not optimal. But he also should be commended
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Speaker 2: for leaving no stone unturned for the betterment of his health.
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Speaker 2: Then you get to right guard, and Tyler Stein's a
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Speaker 2: player that I believe was scrutinized more than he deserved
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Speaker 2: to be. I didn't believe that there was that much
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Speaker 2: of a drop off in play from Mackai Beckton to
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Speaker 2: Tyler Steen. Now they're different players. Tyler Steen moves better,
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Speaker 2: he's more effective in space. Doesn't give you the authority
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Speaker 2: in the run game that Makai Becton does, but they
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Speaker 2: are built differently. McKai Beckton was a tackle, a converted tackle,
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Speaker 2: and a mountainous one at that six foot seven and
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Speaker 2: I don't even know how much he weighs. I'm not
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Speaker 2: even gonna try to guess, but there's a physical discrepancy
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Speaker 2: between the two players. And I thought that he did
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Speaker 2: a really solid job and paving the way, helping pave
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Speaker 2: the way in the run game. But I also thought
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Speaker 2: that there were opportunities in the past game and there
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Speaker 2: were moments where he was exploited where Tyler Steen, because
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Speaker 2: he seems he's the new guy the offensive line didn't
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Speaker 2: perform like like we're used to sing. It's easy to
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Speaker 2: attribute that to, well, Tyler Stein's not playing. Well, that's
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Speaker 2: that's not the case. And depending on how highly you
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Speaker 2: prioritize PFF rankings, because it seems like if PFF rankings.
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Speaker 1: Are in favor of whoever your favorite.
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Speaker 2: Player is, then you know that's something that's that's touted
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Speaker 2: when it doesn't necessarily jive with your with your opinion,
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Speaker 2: and I've come to find that I've noticed that it's
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Speaker 2: kind of cast by the wayside a little bit. But
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Speaker 2: I believe in talking to people and watching Tyler Steen
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Speaker 2: play that he was fine last season, so he'll be
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Speaker 2: entrenches the right guard in twenty twenty six, and then
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Speaker 2: you have Lane Johnson at right tackle. And Lane Johnson
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Speaker 2: returns for another year. We'll see how long he decides
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Speaker 2: to continue his Hall of Fame career, but one of
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Speaker 2: the best tackles in league history still playing at an
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Speaker 2: exceptionally high level. The question now just becomes how.
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Speaker 1: Long or how you know?
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Speaker 2: How can the Eagles approach the twenty twenty six season
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Speaker 2: with the confidence that players like Landon Diggerson and Lane
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Speaker 2: Johnson are going to be able to stay healthy and
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Speaker 2: be available for a large complement of the games. It's
5:42
Speaker 2: not really fair to say the full compliment because they're
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Speaker 2: a year older, there's a lot of wear and tear
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Speaker 2: on the body. But the Eagles have taken measures to
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Speaker 2: ensure that they have pieces really a tackle to atone
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Speaker 2: for any absence that may come in terms of Lane
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Speaker 2: Johnson and not even Jordani Alatta for that matter. But
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Speaker 2: when healthy, make no mistake about it, this offensive line
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Speaker 2: is among the league's best. There it's not a drop
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Speaker 2: off in talent. They should be able to really thrive
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Speaker 2: under Sean Manney. And it's going to be a new
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Speaker 2: blocking system, right, I mean, there's going to be the
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Speaker 2: wide zone, the stretch, and for players like Lane Johnson
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Speaker 2: and Cam Jurgens and Tyler Steen and really Jordanilata as well,
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Speaker 2: one can presume that that's really gonna favor what they
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Speaker 2: can do. They're effective in space, they're fleet footed. Landon Dickerson,
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Speaker 2: to me, he can do it, certainly, he's that talented,
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Speaker 2: but I believe that he's at his best, given his
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Speaker 2: size and his physicality and his mauling tendencies, that he's
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Speaker 2: probably best moving forward and imposing his will, moving you know,
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Speaker 2: straight ahead and leaning into these defensive linemen.
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Speaker 1: But all of the all of.
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Speaker 2: The starters are equipped to handle what we're expecting to
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Speaker 2: see in terms of the drastic change schematically on offense.
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Speaker 2: Then the question becomes the depth some of these depth
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Speaker 2: pieces and.
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Speaker 1: The spoiler alert, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't think the Eagles are overly stocked at guard at
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Speaker 2: the moment, but we'll work through it.
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Speaker 1: We have we'll work through the depth pieces here.
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Speaker 2: And you have Fred Johnson, who I believe was one
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Speaker 2: of Hallie Roseman's most shrewd acquisitions in the twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: five offseason, bringing him in to be that swing tackle.
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Speaker 2: He had a lot of value and familiarity with Philadelphia.
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Speaker 2: It was evident that Matt Pryor and Kendall Lamb weren't
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Speaker 2: going to be the answers, that they weren't good enough
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Speaker 2: to be depended upon in the twenty twenty five season,
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Speaker 2: and that revealed itself in training camp in the preseason,
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Speaker 2: and Howie Roseman acted and brought back Fred Johnson, who
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Speaker 2: went to Jacksonville in search of a starting job. It
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Speaker 2: didn't materialize or it wasn't materializing, and they were able
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Speaker 2: to get Fred Johnson back in the fold.
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Speaker 1: Then free agency rolls around.
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Speaker 2: Well back up a second Fred Johnson stepped in and
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Speaker 2: I believe performed admirably in the absence of Lane Johnson
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Speaker 2: last season, starting nine game different including the playoff game
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Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers and look No. One's Lane Johnson.
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Speaker 2: And there were some growing pains early on, but Fred
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Speaker 2: Johnson's a player who started over twenty games at the
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Speaker 2: NFL level. He even played guard earlier in his career.
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Speaker 2: As far as backup tackles go, I'd put him right
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Speaker 2: up there with some of the league's best, and he
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Speaker 2: went into free agency this year again seeking a starting job.
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Speaker 2: It didn't seem to materialize. Once again, he was on
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Speaker 2: the free agent market for a while. The Eagles were
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Speaker 2: able to bring him back another strong addition offseason addition
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Speaker 2: because offensive line depth, you know, without that, your season
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Speaker 2: can sort of til go into a tail spin. We've
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Speaker 2: seen that, not recently, but in years past, we've seen that,
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Speaker 2: and you see it across the NFL. Not enough starting
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Speaker 2: cowber offensive lineman around the NFL, let alone high end backups,
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Speaker 2: and Fred Johnson is exactly that. Then they draft Mark
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Speaker 2: kel Bell, the enormous tackle out of the University of Miami,
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Speaker 2: six foot nine and some change. He has over an
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Speaker 2: eighty seven inch wingspan, can play well. He was really
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Speaker 2: a left tackle at Miami, but he can play the
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Speaker 2: right side later on his feet that you might expect
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Speaker 2: might be a year or so away from being.
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Speaker 1: Able to be dependent upon if he were to have
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Speaker 1: to step in.
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Speaker 2: But someone that I believe does offer starting upside down
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Speaker 2: the line, I'm not sure that he'll be able to
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Speaker 2: make up enough ground to unseat Fred Johnson.
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Speaker 1: As the swing tackle.
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Speaker 2: In training camp, but stranger things have happened, and he
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Speaker 2: was drafted at pick number sixty eight overall, so he
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Speaker 2: does have a lot of talent. He was my top
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Speaker 2: rated tackle going into Day two, so good tackle depth,
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Speaker 2: and I think he does project as a starter down
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Speaker 2: the line.
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Speaker 1: Probably at right tackle.
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Speaker 2: Then you get into some of the other pieces and
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Speaker 2: they they have Drew Kendall at center. Drew Kendell's a
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Speaker 2: player of the Eagles, like they think highly of. He's
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Speaker 2: a highly intelligent player. He moves well and I believed
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Speaker 2: and I said this when they drafted him, and after
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Speaker 2: their haul in twenty twenty five, I said that that
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Speaker 2: was my favorite Day three pick for the Eagles because
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Speaker 2: I liked the player coming out of Boston College. I
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Speaker 2: envisioned the scenario where he projects as not just a
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Speaker 2: high end backup, but I think he can be a
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Speaker 2: starter in the league.
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Speaker 1: He needs to develop his play strength a little bit.
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Speaker 2: I've mentioned and written about how Brett Toath, who's now
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Speaker 2: with the forty nine ers, sort of mentored him a
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Speaker 2: little bit. They lockered close to one another. He was
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Speaker 2: imparting a lot of wisdom throughout the season, and you
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Speaker 2: could see that with seemingly almost every locker room availability.
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Speaker 1: But he'll be there. He'll be the backup center.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I thought he did well in that
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Speaker 2: season finale where he stepped in and played his first
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Speaker 2: meaningful snaps of his career, much better than anyone could
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Speaker 2: have envisioned. He also offers guard versatility though he's a
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Speaker 2: center by trade, but in a pinch, I believe that
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Speaker 2: he could play some guard. Michael Morris, the guard from
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Speaker 2: Georgia who the Eagles drafted pick number two oh seven
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Speaker 2: in the sixth round, is a player that I like.
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Speaker 2: He has a clear pathway to making the roster. I
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Speaker 2: feel pretty strongly about that, and he moves well. Six
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Speaker 2: five three thirty four. I talked about his starting experience.
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Speaker 2: He started nineteen games five games in twenty twenty four
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Speaker 2: at right guard, fourteen at left guard last season, so
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Speaker 2: you like the ability to play both sides. He's coming
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Speaker 2: from a premier and prestigious program in Georgia where he
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Speaker 2: went against the nation's top defensive players. That should equip
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Speaker 2: him for the NFL, and I really look forward to
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Speaker 2: seeing him in training camp, especially in one on one situations.
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Speaker 2: But beyond that, they don't have a definitive option when
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Speaker 2: it comes to backup guard, they could stand added veteran there,
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Speaker 2: but that's a podcast for another day. They have a
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Speaker 2: number of centers who could probably play guard if you
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Speaker 2: needed him too. And Willie Lampkin, who the Eagles claimed
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Speaker 2: off waivers during cutdowns. He was injured and the Rams
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Speaker 2: waived him. The Eagles put him on IR eventually, and
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Speaker 2: he had his twenty one day practice window opened.
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Speaker 1: He was never able to.
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Speaker 2: Actually see any game action the window expired and then
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Speaker 2: he was on season ending IR. But atypical size for
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Speaker 2: a center, kind of built like Nick Cole if you
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Speaker 2: remember the Eagles center slash fullback from years past under
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Speaker 2: Andy Reid. He's probably five to eleven, but he moves well,
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Speaker 2: he hustles, and he's immensely athletic, has a wrestling background.
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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a training camp favorite
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Speaker 2: for many once you see him in pads and on
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Speaker 2: the you know, in the preseason games. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if he's going to be able to stick given the
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Speaker 2: numbers that the Eagles have, but you may want to
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Speaker 2: if you're the Eagles, he may want to see what
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Speaker 2: he has at guard as well. They're pretty well stacked
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Speaker 2: at backup center because they also have Jake Majors, who
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Speaker 2: spent the entire twenty twenty five season on the Eagles
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Speaker 2: practice squad set a Texas record, I believe, in terms
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Speaker 2: of games played, sort of undersize for the position, but
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Speaker 2: you're talking about high level football intelligence. I liked him
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Speaker 2: quite a bit coming out of the draft that was
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Speaker 2: a little surprised he didn't get selected. Ultimately didn't make
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Speaker 2: the Buccaneers, and when he latched onto the Eagles, I
13:30
Speaker 2: thought for sure he would be a player that would
13:32
Speaker 2: be poached, knowing that offensive line play around the NFL,
13:36
Speaker 2: especially reserves aren't.
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Speaker 1: There's not an abundance of talent there. So I thought Jake.
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Speaker 2: Majors, fresh off that draft class would be someone that
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Speaker 2: would be plucked away.
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Speaker 1: But that didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: Could he play guard, maybe, but I think he's more
13:51
Speaker 2: of a center. Then you have tackles that they drafted
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Speaker 2: from last season, and I'm talking about Cameron Williams and
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Speaker 2: Myles Hinton. Miles Hinton had a better training camp than
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Speaker 2: Cameron Williams, and he's the older player he played more,
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Speaker 2: so he has more seasoning.
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Speaker 1: But I view.
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Speaker 2: Cameron Williams as someone that has higher upside. If he
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Speaker 2: goes into the draft in twenty twenty six, he's probably
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Speaker 2: a day two prospect. He did a solid job in
14:21
Speaker 2: that season finale.
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Speaker 1: I think he offers higher upsides.
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Speaker 2: So right now, I'm going to say that he has
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Speaker 2: a better path to the roster than maybe a Miles Hinton.
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Speaker 2: But I'm saying this in early May, of course, but both.
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Speaker 1: Players are player are prospects that and young players that I.
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Speaker 2: Believe the Eagles think highly of. They're going to continue
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Speaker 2: to work with and develop. I'm looking forward to seeing
14:46
Speaker 2: what they can do in their second training camp.
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Speaker 2: Cameron Williams especially having been relatively raw at entering the NFL,
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Speaker 2: and that was clear in training camp. But we'll see
18:36
Speaker 2: a year in the building, a year of working with
18:37
Speaker 2: Jeff Stoutlin, how do they take to Chris Cooper, the
18:40
Speaker 2: new offensive line coaches Tutelage.
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Speaker 1: And so you look.
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Speaker 2: At the offensive line, and there's a lot of reason
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Speaker 2: for optimism.
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Speaker 1: They need to add, at least, in my estimation.
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Speaker 2: A veteran guard, knowing the injury history of Land and Dickerson,
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Speaker 2: and I think it's a risky play to go into
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Speaker 2: it without having a bona fide experience guard because Michael Morris,
19:09
Speaker 2: the rookie six round pick, as I mentioned, is the
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Speaker 2: only option that they really have. But I think the
19:16
Speaker 2: Eagles by and large have done a really nice job
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Speaker 2: adding to the offensive line and adding a young tackle,
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Speaker 2: adding a guard that has developmental qualities to him. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean I also shouldn't forget I can't forget Holland Pierce,
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Speaker 2: who the Eagles signed as an undrafted free agent out
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Speaker 2: of Rutgers immensely long wing span, was on the practice
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Speaker 2: squad last season, one of the few players who remained
19:43
Speaker 2: throughout the season, and I had a fifth round grade
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Speaker 2: on him coming out of Rutgers. I was at his
19:48
Speaker 2: pro day, I interviewed him, and he ended up with
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Speaker 2: the Eagles. He was at rookie mini camp along with
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Speaker 2: Gabe Hall as the two players who had some NFL
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Speaker 2: experience who were there uphill battle for Colin Pierce, but
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Speaker 2: he's six foot eight, three hundred and forty one pounds.
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Speaker 2: John Ojukwu six foot nine, twenty seven years old. He
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Speaker 2: has a little bit of you know, he's pounced around.
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Speaker 2: He's been in the league a little bit, so we'll
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Speaker 2: see what he can do. I'm not expecting him to
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Speaker 2: have a lot of reps to even really establish himself
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Speaker 2: all that much to the coaching staff, given the amount
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Speaker 2: of players who I just mentioned that are in front
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Speaker 2: of him, presumably. And you have Jaden Roberts, the rookie
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Speaker 2: fore agent guard out of Alabama sixty five three thirty three.
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Speaker 2: He's twenty three years old, played at one of the
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Speaker 2: premier programs in college football, so he's coming in with pedigree,
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Speaker 2: he's coming in with starting experience.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can keep two rookie guards.
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Speaker 2: The play for me would be to get that veteran
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Speaker 2: and roll with Michael Morris. But you can clearly see
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Speaker 2: that the Eagles have sort of a logjam there players
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Speaker 2: vying for depth roles.
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Speaker 1: But that's what makes training camp so interesting and exciting
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Speaker 1: for me to.
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Speaker 2: See how these players acquit themselves, see who rises to
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Speaker 2: the top and and how this roster ultimately shapes. But
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Speaker 2: there's your overview of the Eagles offensive line. I'm Andrew
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Speaker 2: de Checo. This has been to Checko Delli and I'll
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Speaker 2: catch you all on the next one.