Latest / Dubious Creatures Presents / The Dubious Book Club Podcast Ep 6 - Loving A Vampire Is Total Chaos Part 2 (Preview)
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- 0:00Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Dubious Book Club
- 0:02podcast. I'm Aubrey.
- 0:05Say hi other dubious creature. That that would be me.
- 0:09I am the other dubious. I do dubious things.
- 0:14Yes, yes, we do. Yeah.
- 0:19No, we are back. Discussing the second-half of
- 0:22Loving a Vampire is Total Chaos by Ora Hayes, who between
- 0:28sessions I learned is actually two people, is a writing duo.
- 0:33I love that it's a writing duo though, and it totally makes
- 0:37sense because you can see it in the way the back and forths are
- 0:43approached. Yes, yeah, it it, it reminds it
- 0:47definitely the way the back and forths are reminds me of like
- 0:52writing text RP with a partner. Like they, they flow where it is
- 0:56rather than one person just writing, like the banter back
- 0:59and forth. This is two people bantering
- 1:01back and forth. That's why the banter is so good
- 1:07and it is the the banter is what got me like it is talk to your
- 1:11banter. It's really, really good banter.
- 1:14It's. So good.
- 1:17Yeah, not the the second-half of the book starts on chapter like
- 1:2526 and goes to like chapter 50. I didn't have my copy of the
- 1:31Kindle copy open. I don't know why I didn't, but I
- 1:37actually did listen to the majority of the second-half this
- 1:40book on audiobook, all for Teddy Hamilton.
- 1:47I feel that though. I feel it.
- 1:49Teddy Hamilton isolate you for your service.
- 1:52Thank you. Thank you so very.
- 1:55Much you bring Zav to life. I probably wouldn't if I was
- 2:02just reading this. I'm going to be so for real.
- 2:05I probably would not like Zav as much, and that's just being
- 2:12honest. No, that is, that is super
- 2:18valid. But he's.
- 2:23Just so good, Oh my God. Sorry OK back.
- 2:33He is incredibly good, so you are nothing to apologize for.
- 2:44But yeah, no, everything starts with the at the crime scene
- 2:51where, you know, Celine goes to see that the the :) killer has
- 3:01struck again and still hasn't put it together.
- 3:10To be fair, would you? Because I wouldn't, I probably
- 3:14would not put it together. I would probably not be like the
- 3:17guy I am banging or want to bang is a serial killer because I
- 3:26don't think they banged at that point, no.
- 3:28They have not banged yet. No, no banging.
- 3:31There is a lack of banging, but I didn't find the banging that
- 3:35we got very good. Yes, I I, I would have loved
- 3:38like one to two more spicy scenes, but that's just me.
- 3:43I. Appreciate that the nightclub
- 3:44scene. Yeah, the nightclub scene was
- 3:47very good. Very good, hot, sorry getting
- 3:54ahead of ourselves. Remember, we're serious book
- 4:00podcasters. Yeah, now so serious book
- 4:05podcasters. I don't know who decided that.
- 4:08Certainly not us. Maybe Ty decided that.
- 4:15I don't know. But so, yeah, there's the whole
- 4:21thing at the crime scene where she's excited to get more
- 4:24evidence, and they're still just like, this is so weird, there's
- 4:28no evidence, all of that. And then in the next chapter,
- 4:37Savior takes her to meet Tom, which is a very sweet scene.
- 4:43Super wholesome. We also really need these scenes
- 4:45for Xavier to make him less like just outwardly douchey.
- 4:51Yeah, they really humanize him as a character because, yeah, if
- 4:56he we didn't have the scenes where it's like, Oh yeah, you
- 4:58care about things that are more than just Selene in Midnight.
- 5:04That's that is really great. And sort of seeing him have this
- 5:08connection, this old friendship that he has maintained for
- 5:11years, like really humanizes him.
- 5:14And it's just like, yeah, you really only kill people who are
- 5:18bad. You are not like you're not just
- 5:24killing people Willy nilly. Is it?
- 5:28Has she put the at least I don't remember if at this point in the
- 5:33book Celine had put together the pattern of like all the all the
- 5:40people who are dying are bad. I think, I think she had that
- 5:47all the people were dying were bad because she learned that the
- 5:50person they find at the crime scene was just a horrible,
- 5:52absolute just garbage human being.
- 5:56So it's like it's kind of there. I don't think she's ever she
- 6:00said it out loud, but it's like certainly like.
- 6:04The back of the brain pan. OK, OK, I couldn't remember.
- 6:10Yeah, yeah. And it's the scene with Tom.
- 6:12It's very sweet. And, you know, really humanizes
- 6:17have as a as a person. And it will hurt worse later.
- 6:23You know what I mean? Too far too.
- 6:30Far Bitch took it too far. Yeah.
- 6:38And then we get Celine back at work and so have just being
- 6:47around, yeah. Because at this point, he
- 6:51doesn't want to leave her alone at all.
- 6:54He's like, he's gotten to that, like ultra protective state of
- 6:59existence. Yeah, and certainly he's in the
- 7:09touch her and die face. Yeah, and we love I, I love a
- 7:15good toucher and die. Same like man is man is a red
- 7:20flag. Unfortunately, red is my
- 7:22favorite color. I look great in red.
- 7:24I wear. It well, Yep.
- 7:31Yeah. My hair.
- 7:33My hair is red. More like more often than not.
- 7:36Yep, I wear red a lot. I it's it's like my favorite
- 7:42eyeshadow color to work with. It's a very good one.
- 7:46It looks so pretty. There's so many things you can
- 7:48do with it. All right, off topic again,
- 7:53sorry I. Mean we're people got to expect
- 7:57it when it's just us. It's just going to be a lot of
- 7:59ADHD word vomit because that's how we work.
- 8:03It's true. But like, OK but seriously, he
- 8:06is a walking red flag and I'm loving him for it.
- 8:10Like I want someone to break into my house and fold my
- 8:13laundry. Yes, please.
- 8:16Yes, yes, I would like that because I'm really bad at
- 8:19folding my own laundry. I mean I'm not but I am like I
- 8:24just don't want to do it. Well, I mean, I'm not bad at it.
- 8:28In fact, I don't want to do it. Oh, OK.
- 8:31Yeah, yeah, no, I'm right there with you.
- 8:33Yeah. See, like I'm busy.
- 8:35I got other things to do. Like, I know how to use the
- 8:38clothes. I'm in a clothing store for over
- 8:40a year. Yeah, I had a full of clothes.
- 8:42Exactly. I just don't want to do it.
- 8:52But like, you know, and, and he always pops up, he's always
- 8:57there. He's always like gives a shit.
- 8:59He cares. It's Celine, get with it.
- 9:03Yeah, I mean, she's, she's pretty with it.
- 9:07She's she never really has a moment where she isn't with it.
- 9:14That's true. That's that's very true.
- 9:16But. While she while she's at work
- 9:20she notices Ava isn't there and like you know and now Ava's non
- 9:27existent boyfriend is written out of the plot.
- 9:30Wamp. WAMP.
- 9:33He was good for his one scene. He tried.
- 9:39He tried. A for effort, but yeah, bye.
- 9:51I'm not sorry to see you go. Yeah, it'll make sense later.
- 9:58She can do better. She will do better.
- 10:08Yeah. Where they they, it's, it's a
- 10:10really, it's just a really nice scene between Celine and Ava
- 10:15about the whole thing, where it's just like they're besties.
- 10:17They support each other. It's cute and it's, again, it's
- 10:21very humanizing on Celine's and it brings you back to like,
- 10:26these are just people living their lives and like this is
- 10:30everyday life shit. People break up.
- 10:37It happens. Yeah, I mean, it's it is life
- 10:42and, you know, just being there for dear friend while they're
- 10:48going through a thing. It's just, it's so Raleigh and
- 10:51Astor. It really is Raleigh and Astor.
- 10:57I love them, the dynamic duo. I was about to say something and
- 11:05I was like, wait, no, that's a spoiler.
- 11:09What were you going to say? Because now I want to know.
- 11:12I was just going to, I was just going to mention all of our
- 11:14antics in Season 2, and I was like, wait, that's the spoiler.
- 11:17Yeah. Do you mean like pastor stealing
- 11:19a car? So good pastor stealing a car
- 11:24Raleigh and Esther getting really high and.
- 11:27So good, I love them. Same.
- 11:31They're my favorites. They're just two girls.
- 11:37Just two. Girls in their.
- 11:38Best on lives. It's the world and you know.
- 11:40From there, Ava and Celine go to lunch and Zab is the speaker.
- 11:48ZAB is the Oh yes, this is another ZAB job.
- 11:55Just just everywhere. It's just that, you know, he
- 11:57just walks in, compels. I work here today and then
- 12:01leaves. I love, I love, I love, I love.
- 12:04I love because like, wouldn't you though?
- 12:09I mean, listen, we see Jeremy do it all the time.
- 12:12Exactly. The amount of times that Jeremy
- 12:15will just walk up and be like, I'm going to start playing this
- 12:17fucking piano, homie. It's always, it's always in like
- 12:23a business or somewhere, you know, it's, it's never, it is.
- 12:29It's just like, dude, that's not your piano, but OK.
- 12:31Vampires love to play. I work here.
- 12:42Yeah, no, it's just Zev continuing his rotating terms of
- 12:49affection, trying to find the one that'll stick.
- 12:52Yeah, which one was it in the scene?
- 12:54I don't remember. He calls her Pumpkin.
- 12:59I see. I thought the pumpkin was cute.
- 13:00I thought that was a cute one, Celine.
- 13:03Didn't like it? No, not as cute.
- 13:07I also thought it was cute. I'm here for for being called
- 13:12pumpkin. Hey, OK.
- 13:16Yeah. And then there's like a lot of
- 13:19just like he sort of talking about like how Celine is pretty
- 13:23much just living with him and, you know, Celine maybe getting a
- 13:29little bit of a little bit of cold feet because it's like
- 13:31things are moving quickly. But like again, can you blame
- 13:37the girl? I.
- 13:40I would. I would be right there with her,
- 13:42in all honesty. He hasn't taught her about the
- 13:47mate yet. I don't.
- 13:48Think no, no, that that comes later.
- 13:54Because he's also just like, I'm not, we're not banging until I'm
- 13:57completely honest with you. I can also appreciate that of
- 14:01that. See.
- 14:02OK, this is where those red flags turn green.
- 14:06Like that's a big green flag. Yeah.
- 14:10You are not doing the due until like she knows the whole truth
- 14:15and can decide if that is what she wants or not.
- 14:18Like I, I really appreciate that.
- 14:21Yeah, it is a very, it is a very nice green flag, you know.
- 14:26Big green flag and This is why I will stand by my statement of
- 14:31him breaking into her apartment is also a big green flag.
- 14:35Yeah, yeah. No, I I I'm not the person who
- 14:38will disagree with you on that. I'm also glad Ty isn't here
- 14:42because we would have many many fights about it.
- 14:46I can imagine the sigh. Oh my God, I can.
- 14:50Hear in my head now. But yeah, no.
- 15:01And then after after lunch, she gets back to the back to the
- 15:07precinct and kind of we we we like a little bit more of the B
- 15:11plot that's happening, all the stuff with facts because that
- 15:18girl who was missing earlier in the book has turned up dead
- 15:22nowhere nearby. And it's and essentially she's
- 15:27given the classic like detective movies.
- 15:29Don't worry about it. This isn't your case.
- 15:33It's not connected. Totally connected.
- 15:38That there's no evidence. It's connected.
- 15:42It's all connected. Believe in your gutchild.
- 15:44I'm proud of. Your name, the name Genevieve is
- 15:48dropped. That'll be important later.
- 15:51Yep. No, we meet her.
- 15:54I I don't remember when we meet her, but we didn't meet her
- 15:57earlier. Genevieve was the the one who
- 16:00came into being like my friend is missing.
- 16:02Missing right, right, she's in my friend is missing girl, and
- 16:06like I didn't believe it. I was like bitch, you killed
- 16:09your friend, but I also watch way too many like whodunits true
- 16:20crime. That was the word that I was
- 16:22looking for. I was originally going to say
- 16:24murder porn and then I was like, should I say that?
- 16:29Do I say that? I can't think of what the word
- 16:31is though. As I as I look over to my left
- 16:37and see the Lore Lodge video that I have paused on my third
- 16:40monitor. See.
- 16:41OK, you get it. Yeah, I watch a fuck ton of
- 16:43murder porn, all right? Like a crap ton of it.
- 16:46Too much. It's unhealthy.
- 16:49Don't, don't, don't ever look at my podcast subscriptions.
- 16:55See. Like you get it.
- 17:00This is why we're friends. Yeah, yeah.
- 17:05I would totally fall for candy in a van.
- 17:08Yeah, unfortunately I would too, especially if the man is hot.
- 17:12Yes, and has stuffed animals like.
- 17:15OK, this sounds like heaven. Let's go.
- 17:20Yeah. Oh I'm so sorry, y'all are
- 17:26learning way too much about me today.
- 17:29Look, I think they're learning about both of us because I'm
- 17:31like, I'm there with you, but I'm the same, the same.
- 17:36Oh, yeah. This is because I'm scrolling
- 17:37through the chapters because it's been like a week and a half
- 17:40since I finished the books. I was like, I need, I need a
- 17:42refresher. So I'm scrolling through the
- 17:44chapters on my Kindle and this is the chapter where we get
- 17:46Daddy's AV. Daddy's AV This is 1.
- 17:49He refers to himself as Daddy's AV and she's like please don't
- 17:52ever. But you know, I don't mind it.
- 17:57Be adventurous. I thought daddy's app was good.
- 18:04It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one, but you
- 18:08know, I get it. Different strokes for different
- 18:10folks. It's not not always everybody's
- 18:15thing. Yep, and that's OK.
- 18:20It's not Celine's thing. Was not Celine's thing.
- 18:23I I can almost imagine the look on her face.
- 18:26I imagine it's quite similar to the look that Ty gives us, even
- 18:29though we can't see that look that that just like, did you
- 18:33really just do that? Yeah, 100%.
- 18:45What else happens in this chapter?
- 18:47They talk about the case a bunch because she's venting, because
- 18:52she's just trying to feels like she's had a wall.
- 18:56They flirt, they almost bang. Yeah.
- 19:02This is where we get almost banging and then this is where
- 19:05she's like, I would like to move back into my own place and he's
- 19:08like, but why? She also asked for him to bite
- 19:12her. He says no because he hasn't
- 19:15told her that. Like that's how you like, that's
- 19:19how you lock in the mate bond to take a turn from Acatar.
- 19:25Big green flag. He just wants to make sure that
- 19:31SIP is like what she wants and I respect it.
- 19:45Celine or Ava is also like in the midst of a breakup, still in
- 19:51this. And then literally the next
- 19:55chapter after, he's like, I'm not going to bite you.
- 19:58I do need to tell you something. We're mates.
- 20:01Right. The next chapter is like what
- 20:03the fuck is that? I unfortunately have been to a
- 20:11book talk pilled and somebody said we're mates.
- 20:13I would just go OK I would not need that explained to me.
- 20:17I would need 0 explanation. Be like cool bat so we're like
- 20:22fated to be together. That's what you're saying.
- 20:24I don't have to like. Try anymore.
- 20:28It dies. It really dies.
- 20:30It'd be like, oh, that sounds lovely.
- 20:32I don't have to keep looking. But so tell me all of your deep,
- 20:37dark secrets. It's it's pretty decided great.
- 20:44I don't have to, I don't have to deal with Tinder anymore.
- 20:48Amazing. Yeah, no more dating, no more
- 20:52like awkward banging. I love this.
- 20:58Here for it. Yeah, and there's the whole you
- 21:01know, it's very rare to find your mate.
- 21:02It's even rare for vampires to have a human mate, yada yada.
- 21:10Well, we always know that Celine was special.
- 21:13Yeah, she's played by Raleigh Asher in the movie.
- 21:16Yep, I love that head cannon so much.
- 21:23It's a. Very good one.
- 21:27Does that wait? Does that mean Astor plays Ava
- 21:30now? Astor can't.
- 21:32She can't. It's fair you are a fan.
- 21:37Kid, Yeah. I'm just on set in the
- 21:46background. So there's there's like a lot in
- 21:53them talking about being mates and Selena's like, have I, have
- 21:56I been forced to like you this whole time?
- 21:58It's it's like, no God, no. Well.
- 22:03Yeah, because because it is like something loves love.
- 22:08She like she's a big romantic at heart.
- 22:10So like the idea of having that stripped away from you, I can
- 22:14see why she'd be upset. I would be all for it.
- 22:16But like, I understand why she's.
- 22:17Upset makes and God he drops the most fucking romantic thing
- 22:22ever. It just says listen to me
- 22:26Cerleen Brennan. We may be faded mates, but no
- 22:29magnetic pole dictates who or what I do.
- 22:32Yes, it may initially bring us together in a way it wasn't
- 22:35wouldn't for others, but we still have free will.
- 22:37If I wasn't insanely attracted to both you mentally and
- 22:40physically, I wouldn't be here. You're the most stunning,
- 22:43intelligent, kind creature I've ever crossed paths with and I
- 22:46worship the ground you walk on. His cheeks stay in a pretty pink
- 22:51at my praises, so I continue. Pretty girl, you were my
- 22:54everything and we have known. We haven't known each other long
- 22:56enough considering the length of my life thus far, but up until
- 22:59now it is paled in comparison to being with you.
- 23:02That mate bond doesn't force us into doing anything.
- 23:04OK? And get it through that gorgeous
- 23:07skull of yours. I'm here for you because I want
- 23:10to be. You can't get rid of me and it
- 23:13goes both ways. Just so you know, you might be
- 23:15more attracted to me than usual because the bond and my insane
- 23:19good looks, but it doesn't force you to like me.
- 23:27Green flag. Green flag.
- 23:30He gets a green flag like outside of the whole serial
- 23:35killer Dexter mentality and like I can't even, I'm not even mad
- 23:39about that. Like I'm not mad about it.
- 23:42He's a big green flag. He's not even a red flag to me.
- 23:46It's it's it's. Unfortunately, I read too many
- 23:48comic books growing up, and vigilante justice doesn't turn
- 23:52me off. It's hot.
- 23:55I'm going to be for real it's hot.
- 23:58There's a reason I'm playing an eco terrorist y'all like.
- 24:05Anyway, off topic, sort of. Tangentially related topic.
- 24:15I'm like he's yeah, so I'm daddy's AB gets a green flag
- 24:24from me. Daddy's AB.
- 24:27Daddy's AB. I know Ty is going to listen to
- 24:31this. And be like, are you serious?
- 24:39I can hear the groaning in his voice now like I've never seen
- 24:46his face, but I can imagine the face eyes go way way up into the
- 24:53skull. That's why all he gets all those
- 24:56tension headaches. And then you also.
- 24:59And then Zab gives her a knife. To protect yourself, right?
- 25:04Exactly. Look, Raleigh would also
- 25:10appreciate the gift of a knife. Raleigh did Spoilers.
- 25:19Fuck I, I have a specialty in swords for melee rally.
- 25:24You would appreciate a gift of a weapon.
- 25:33Astor appreciates the gift of a lighter.
- 25:37It's true, right? And then there's, OK, now we
- 25:43finally get to going, like talking about going back to the
- 25:47club, right? This is where this is where we
- 25:51get one of my favorite scenes. So yeah, this this is the whole
- 25:54thing of like, oh, just discussing going back to the
- 25:57club because Ava and Selena are having a girls night and it's
- 26:03just like we're going to go back to the club and investigate and
- 26:07you know, I. And Zab is like sitting there
- 26:12like a sad puppy listening. With the cat draped over his
- 26:18shoulders. Look man who gets along with
- 26:26with cat. Also green flag.
- 26:29Yeah, green flag, Animal. Animals like you.
- 26:33Green flag, big check mark. Yeah, no, because everything
- 26:42with the cat makes me think of Josh and Fred from Lights Out.
- 26:47Because I read that one and it's just sort of seared in my memory
- 26:51of Josh immediately. In the beginning was just like,
- 26:55yeah, Nope, I'm your father now. Literally second time he meets
- 27:01Fred, he's like, I guess I'm your father now.
- 27:04That's hilarious. Oh, that's good.
- 27:10Yeah, now and now we get to them in the club and we get the club
- 27:14hand job. Club hand job, I have done club
- 27:18hand jobs. I have also been the friend with
- 27:22hand sanitizer. So like I've been on, on both
- 27:25sides of that situation. I loved it.
- 27:31I I I was really impressed that a writer actually decided to put
- 27:36that into their book. So we've been very easy to just
- 27:40have them bang or something. It's just like, you know?
- 27:44Yeah, not like, well, OK, so the other thing that gets me and
- 27:50like we all agree that there needs to be a little more
- 27:52banging, but when we finally got the banging, it was so good
- 28:00because of moments like this where they didn't fuck.
- 28:03Yeah. They just did a little foreplay
- 28:06and it's like, oh God, it's the yearning I love.
- 28:10I like yearning. It's good.
- 28:13It it does all the good like brain chemicals for me.
- 28:17Yeah, you want to, you want to know something fun that I just
- 28:21noticed the hand job scene in. If you're looking at it on the
- 28:27Kindle version, the percentage done with the book is 69.
- 28:36That's fantastic. That should also be the the clip
- 28:43for this. Yes, it should.
- 28:49The Kindle page for the hand job is 69.
- 28:52That's fantastic. 69% done with the book.
- 28:57So good I. Love it.
- 29:02And then also at the end, she she was just like, wait, I heard
- 29:05a voice. That's Genevieve.
- 29:06Because I went to the bathroom and I heard it through the
- 29:08fence. Also our girl is really bad at
- 29:12lying like like she may be played by Raleigh Asher but like
- 29:23Raleigh spent entirely too long her own Astor because Astor is
- 29:26terrible at lying and the whole like diarrhea thing is something
- 29:29that Astor would say. Yeah, as I was like, I have, I
- 29:37just have released this shit open and I had it open and I was
- 29:41like, wait, no, what's my pool for lying?
- 29:42It's not amazing. It's my pool for acting great.
- 29:53My my pool for lying is. Horrible.
- 29:58You know, like. If I'm if it's a manipulation
- 30:01subrefutral, I got 5 dice. You got more than me.
- 30:05I think I have like 4-3. I think I have 3.
- 30:09Hold on, let me open her sheet. Find out.
- 30:17That would be a a whopping 3 dice.
- 30:24Aster can't lie to save her life.
- 30:28And then pretty much after the after all of that, we skipped to
- 30:31the next day. It's the pancake.
- 30:36Day. No, not Pancake Day.
- 30:39Not pancake yet. Not pancake yet.
- 30:41Moving out day, right? And no, this is hey, we caught
- 30:46the intruder who broke into your.
- 30:47Apartment, right? So then she was like, I want to
- 30:53move out and he was like, why no mine?
- 30:58Like temper. Tantrums.
- 31:00So, yeah, we we get the person on this like they they catch the
- 31:04intruder, they go in and because they have it's just like, I'm
- 31:10not letting you out of my sight. And I'm like, based this, this
- 31:18makes sense. I understand.