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Episode #101: How to End Big Government & Big Corporations · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_01: When you start carrying the burden and feeling uh whatever, uh complicit or responsible in all this big government, big corporations, big cities, um, uh, you know, it it it wear it wears you out emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.
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SPEAKER_01: The next thing you know, you don't have a a good uh radiant outlook.
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SPEAKER_01: We can feel like that we have what aided and abetted a lot of the problems.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, oh, all my life I've been, you know, whatever, you know, drinking coke and now I don't, but you know, I finance them.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, well, you know, it's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Repent, it's done, you know, and leave it, leave it and go forward.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's the that's the way to proceed.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another Beyond Labels podcast with your hosts, Joel Salatin, the farmer, and Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough, our favorite researcher.
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SPEAKER_01: We love letters from listeners, and we have one that that kind of um uh it's a it it's a it's an emotional one from one of our listeners, uh Shashine Borelli.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you for writing us and and thank you for being uh this transparent.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know, uh so she writes, she says, I've been immersed in the in the podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and I found myself working 14-hour day, stocking shelves at a at Fred Meyer in 2020, just trying to feed our communities, whatever got delivered to our store.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, didn't have enough energy to do anything else but work, so I decided to reduce down to the current eight to nine hours a day.
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SPEAKER_01: Started learning to cook.
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SPEAKER_01: I ate out four times four to five times a week.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh when I cooked before 2020, I only did whatever was easiest, and that's it.
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SPEAKER_01: I've got so much to say, but I'll leave that there.
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SPEAKER_01: This year I've grown very tired of this way of life.
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SPEAKER_01: And and so uh so so as Cena and I respond to this letter, um, we're doing so with you know with a a couple of of ideas, but um, but I think this sentence really captures a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: This year I've grown very tired of this way of life.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm extremely tired of seeing uh my husband and son sick in various ways, trying to enjoy life through you know constant sickness.
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SPEAKER_01: Um husband has chronic asthma, uh, organ problems uh that came later from medications.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh he doesn't go to the doctor anymore, deals with asthma attacks daily.
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SPEAKER_01: My son has chronic eczema and is allergic to many foods.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh this year I started researching how to grow my own food and am now diving into medicinal herbs.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, she's she's being proactive.
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SPEAKER_01: So her two questions.
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SPEAKER_01: Um uh number one is my big question for you is how can we as people of a nation end big government, big corporation, and big cities?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh just how can we end it all?
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SPEAKER_01: That's what number one.
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SPEAKER_01: And um and uh number two is um is how do you start big things?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh for example, she's interested in a in a a new way of schooling, for example, for her son.
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SPEAKER_01: Is there a is there a way to just start something like that?
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SPEAKER_01: And um you know, how do you start something you don't know anything about marketing and government rules and all that?
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SPEAKER_01: How do you start a big thing?
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SPEAKER_01: She's not talking about starting a little thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh she's obviously got, you know, um Shashine good on you for starting small things, like you're diving into medicinal herbs.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a good thing.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a small thing.
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SPEAKER_01: But you're you're obviously the both the questions are are are ones of they're they're they're big issues, it's magnitude.
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SPEAKER_01: It's how do we stop you know big government and how do we start big things?
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SPEAKER_01: And so uh with that in mind, Cena has uh some, I think some some feedback that we'll start the conversation with.
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SPEAKER_01: But again, thanks for the thanks for the question.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh we're always love to hear from our listeners.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I love these questions.
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SPEAKER_00: These are big questions, as Joel said.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I want to start with this because of that same line that Joel talked about, where she said um that basically she's just tired of it.
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SPEAKER_00: She's tired of this way of life.
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SPEAKER_00: Um you know, Joel and I can both appreciate that it's it can be very frustrating and very overwhelming, you know, to be to live this way, to lead to lead a clean life is what we would call it, to be a food activist.
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SPEAKER_00: It could be very daunting and overwhelming.
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SPEAKER_00: And when she's talking about the sickness in her family, that really resonates with me.
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SPEAKER_00: Because as you know, I've been there, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Not only myself, but each of my family members has gone through a devastating sickness that we've recovered from.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna get into this question about ending how do you end the big government, big corporations, and big cities.
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SPEAKER_00: But what I want to say first is I think that the most important part, the most important starting part is to start with yourself.
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SPEAKER_00: So we can look out and see, oh my goodness, there's all this stuff wrong, you know, stuff that the government's doing, the big, bad corporations are doing all this stuff, um, all this junk that's in our food supply, like I'm so overwhelmed, I don't want to deal with it anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't even know where the first step is.
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SPEAKER_00: And my advice would be because there's sickness in the home and you're feeling anxious, I would stop focusing on the external.
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SPEAKER_00: Instead, I would focus on the self first, followed by the family.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know that it even, as I say that order out loud, it even kind of rubs me the wrong way because, especially as women, we're um in essence taught to care for others first at the sake of ourselves.
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SPEAKER_00: But as somebody who's been through it with sick family members and sickness yourself, it has to start from you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like being in the airplane and you've got to put the oxygen mask on yourself first and then your child.
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SPEAKER_00: It's uncomfortable, but that's the order you have to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: So you have the strength and the energy and the clarity of mind to help the family.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what I would say first is you are actually a walking billboard, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And so you have to ask yourself, what is it that your billboard is advertising?
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SPEAKER_00: And so when I am um, people will ask me all the time, like, how do you talk to other people to convince them that they need to eat a certain way, you know, to be to be healthy or to help our food supply, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And my response is I don't convince people.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I that's not my goal.
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SPEAKER_00: My goal is not to walk around and be lecturing to people about how to eat a certain way, even if they're sick.
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SPEAKER_00: I do not just sit there and say, eat this way, and then you'll be healthy.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, why won't you do it?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, that's not what I do.
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SPEAKER_01: I you know, you know, Cena, you know, Cena, that's such a great uh people have always asked me, how many farmers have you convinced to go, you know, non-chemical?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And and I and when I when I speak at conferences, I I ask the room, you know, how many of you have convinced somebody to go non-chemical?
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SPEAKER_01: I've never had a single hand raised, ever, ever.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, we we come ourselves, you know, we come individually.
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SPEAKER_01: When that when that final drop hits our head, we say, okay, you know, now I've got to get to do something different.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: And and you're so right on.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, um, for those who who aren't familiar with the work of Stephen Covey, Stephen Covey, who wrote Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, you know, for me, next to the Bible, that's probably the most influential book that I ever read and referred to it all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: And one of the seven habits is what is what he calls the sphere of influence.
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SPEAKER_01: And and and and and what he says is that um your your sphere of influence grows the less time you spend fixated on things that are outside your sphere of influence.
8:10
SPEAKER_01: And your sphere of influence contracts the more attention you put on things that are outside your sphere of influence.
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SPEAKER_01: So he has these three concentric circles and and and and your sphere of influence, uh, and obviously the number one influence you can influence is you.
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SPEAKER_01: You never get inward radiate uh inward radiance by spending all your time focused on stuff that's outside your sphere of influence.
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SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly my point is that I don't have to actually try to convince people to eat healthy, right?
9:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't have to sit there and lecture to them about it because it's like they said, I mean, talk is cheap.
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SPEAKER_00: If the person's not ready to hear it, that the talk is cheap.
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SPEAKER_00: It won't resonate with them.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I live the example, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm I am consciously aware of what my walking billboard is saying.
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SPEAKER_00: And Joel, I'll give you an example.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I've mentioned a little bit of this before, but I will go to um, you know, play dates with tons and tons of kids.
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SPEAKER_00: I I've started this homeschool um play group and we meet weekly.
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SPEAKER_00: There, Joel, 90 families join this place, this play group.
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SPEAKER_00: 90 families, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's a kids and teens club.
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SPEAKER_00: This tells you how much we're longing to find a tribe, right?
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SPEAKER_00: To be connected.
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SPEAKER_00: So, anyhow, I'm at this play date and I'm kidding, I kid you not, it's been months now.
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SPEAKER_00: We play games, like we played soccer the other day, and we're like, hey, moms versus the kids.
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SPEAKER_00: Only a handful of moms were actually willing to get up there and play.
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SPEAKER_00: But I kid you not, we we held our own, Joel.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it was like maybe 20 kids on the other side, and then there were like us five moms, and like we held our own.
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SPEAKER_00: I was very impressed with us.
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SPEAKER_00: But my point is, my point is the the moms around me, most of them are probably in their somewhere like early 30s, I would say.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna be 48 this year, and they're like amazed.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like, I can't even keep up with you.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you you move so fast on the soccer field?
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SPEAKER_00: You change direction so quickly, you're so agile, like you've got so much energy.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, how are you out there playing with these kids?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, not just playing in a sandbox, you're running and keeping up with these kids.
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SPEAKER_00: How are you actually doing this?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's my entryway.
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SPEAKER_00: That's when I'm like, it's the choices that I'm making in my lifestyle.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: And I leave it at that.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't sit there and now, oh, blab, let me vomit all this information on you.
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SPEAKER_00: They are then pulled into me.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they're they because they want that too.
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SPEAKER_00: They want that for themselves.
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SPEAKER_00: We all want to feel energized and youthful again, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I let I project it out there just like you're saying, and the people find me.
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SPEAKER_00: It it's like you project the energy out there and you attract it back to you.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't actually have to do anything.
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SPEAKER_00: So, my um my suggestion, the reason why I'm saying this is because for our listener who wrote this, it does start with you.
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SPEAKER_00: Even though your family is sick, it starts with the choices that you make, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You are going to be the influencer for the family.
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SPEAKER_00: So take care of yourself first and it will expand out to the family.
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SPEAKER_00: So the next, the next sphere there is to help the family when they're ready, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You you don't want to force it on them.
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SPEAKER_00: You help them when they're ready.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of people who um who have who I've been in contact with that are having health issues, they tend to need to hit rock bottom before they're willing and ready to make changes, like the needed changes.
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SPEAKER_00: So when they're ready, then you will be modeling a certain type of you know, energy, energetic imprint, and it will attract them to you, and they'll want that too.
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SPEAKER_00: So you go self and then you go family, and then you go, you go local, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The next will be your sphere of influence with your friends, your neighbors, the church people at church with you, people you're coming in contact with.
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SPEAKER_00: So for me, even though on this podcast and in our conversations, Joel, we'll talk about things that are happening on the federal level, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because we want to be aware of what's happening so we can navigate the food supply and you know, send the alert to the troops to our tribe about this is the you know latest thing to avoid or whatnot.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're I'm aware of these things that are happening, but I don't focus on them.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna be able to change what the bureaucrats in the FDA are doing.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I just know that I'm not going to.
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SPEAKER_00: And by the way, some people are working on that, like Center for Food Safety.
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SPEAKER_00: That that's a great organization that is trying to protect our food.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: And you can sign up for their newsletters.
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SPEAKER_00: They send you um news alerts about like sign this petition to like push back on Congress to do X, Y, and Z.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's a great way, an easy way.
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SPEAKER_00: If somebody does want to start helping on the government level, just sign up for their newsletters.
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SPEAKER_00: It shows up in your inbox.
13:32
SPEAKER_00: All you do is click a button and you feel accomplished.
13:34
SPEAKER_00: You did something.
13:35
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not my route.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Something as simple as signing up for Dell Bigtree's uh um high wire or John F.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh Robert F.
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SPEAKER_01: Kennedy Jr.'s um uh children's uh defense uh fund.
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SPEAKER_01: Um you know there there are fantastic organizations out there that you can be a part of, and so you can start feeding you you you need to feed your spirit some positive.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you're and man, I I I'll just say be care in um uh meter in carefully the the mainstream media narrative.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, between the the war in Ukraine, the corruption in the government, the I mean don't even start me down that rabbit hole.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh we can uh there there are there are so many things in our culture right now that we can be frustrated about.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and and and it can it can absorb your time.
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SPEAKER_01: And and I feel I feel, you know, this uh this writer.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I I feel the burden.
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SPEAKER_01: But but you know what?
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SPEAKER_01: You didn't make the big government, you didn't make the big corporations.
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SPEAKER_01: Now can't you can defund them, you can defund them for yourself and look in the mirror and say, hey, I just defunded Monsanto today.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty cool, you know, and it's okay to have that conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, we need that conversation, I I would say, and and and encourage yourself in that.
15:07
SPEAKER_01: But boy, you know, when you when you start when you start uh carrying the burden and feeling uh whatever, uh complicit or responsible in all this big government, big corporations, big cities, um, uh, you know, it it it wear it wears you out emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.
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SPEAKER_01: The next thing you know, you got you know, you've got uh you're not a you know, you're not a happy wife, and you're you know, and you don't have a a good uh radiant uh outlook.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: And so um so Cena, yeah, I I think all of your all of your thoughts here are really good.
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SPEAKER_01: Um but but you know we we we can we can feel like um that we have uh what aided and abetted a lot of the problems.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and our you know I meet people all the time, you know, oh all my life I've been, you know, whatever, you know, drinking coke and now I don't, but you know, I finance them.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, well, you know, it's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Repent, it's done, you know, uh and and leave it, leave it and go forward.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh that's the that's the way to proceed.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, I would agree.
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SPEAKER_00: And because I was gonna bring that up that we all, I would say probably all of us uh played a part in creating bigger government and bigger corporations, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because it because at some point we just didn't know, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I did that for most of my life.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that what I was actually supporting when I went into the grocery store and bought conventional food.
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SPEAKER_00: I just wasn't aware, you know.
16:45
SPEAKER_00: So I would say, just like Joel's saying, don't bog yourself down on that though.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: You know, the Bible says to renew your mind daily, right?
16:55
SPEAKER_00: And for me, part of that means to forgive yourself.
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SPEAKER_00: Like you're gonna wake up and you're not gonna hold yourself accountable for things you did in the past once you've learned and you're trying to move forward now.
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SPEAKER_00: You you are to renew your mind.
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SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, you're not helping yourself.
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SPEAKER_00: You're gonna sit and spiral in this state of guilt and shame.
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SPEAKER_00: And and that's not gonna help.
17:16
SPEAKER_00: So, what I do is I I do take responsibility that I played a part in like building some of these corporations, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Hershey's.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm oh my gosh, Joel, how many Hershey bars did I eat growing up in my life?
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SPEAKER_00: Some more's and everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I ate that.
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SPEAKER_00: I gave my money, right?
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SPEAKER_00: But I didn't know, right?
17:36
SPEAKER_00: You can't know everything.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: We are not God.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: You can't know everything, and you can't do everything.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm fully, I fully acknowledge that and take responsibility for my part in creating that.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: But I also fully acknowledge that I have a lot of power in myself, in my decisions that I make today.
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SPEAKER_00: That company maybe may have been successful then, but we can, like you said, defund it through our choices.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: We have a lot of choices and power as consumers.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: You know, in my first book, In Hands Off My Food, I um posted these little sidebars that were called free market wins throughout the whole book.
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SPEAKER_00: I've got all these free market wins to encourage you of times when consumers stood stood up.
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SPEAKER_00: We crossed a tipping point and it changed the market, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Numerous examples of Campbells removing certain chemicals from their soups and whatnot.
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SPEAKER_00: So you can actually make a difference just by your daily choices.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: And so I don't like the food babe, for instance, she's got her food babe army, and they will go and boycott, like they'll target one specific chemical in a food and they'll go boycott it and make change.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's great.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: We've got somebody out there doing that.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: I'm not um interested in leading boycotts for, you know, the pretty much because it's I don't want to focus on a for me personally, it's a focus on a negative, you know.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: So what I'm doing is I wake up every day and I say, who do I want to support with my dollars?
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SPEAKER_00: With every bite of food, who am I supporting?
19:16
SPEAKER_00: All right.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: And it's not to shame myself, right?
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Because occasionally I'm gonna eat uh, you know, an organic piece of chocolate or something, you know, like that's totally fine.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I am consciously aware, and this is how I try to change corporations, is by moving the market with my daily choices and the foods of my family that we pick on a on a daily on a daily you know basis.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Look, you know, big companies do fail on their own, right?
19:52
SPEAKER_00: The biggest companies change.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, when you rank the biggest companies, like the top five, for instance, they change roughly like every 10 years.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: And lists are posted about this.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it used to be the oil companies, I think that might have been around 2010.
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SPEAKER_00: Now it's like the big tech companies, but like auto manufacturers used to be some of the big ones.
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SPEAKER_00: Kodak, do you remember Kodak and Circuit City?
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SPEAKER_00: Those were the big companies, right?
20:18
SPEAKER_00: And you don't, they're gone.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't hear about them.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I remember it was a big deal when Apple bypassed Exxon.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, who would have thought a tech company would bypass an oil company?
20:28
SPEAKER_01: So how about how about yeah, how about uh Blockbuster videos?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Blockbuster.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I used to love.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, because video tapes everywhere.
20:39
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So big, so don't think that these companies are in you know impermeable, like that they're that they won't fail.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: Now, you do have the government that steps in sometimes and bails out the banks, right?
20:50
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, like B of A would be gone by now because the it without the government bailing them out.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: We can't really control that.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: So let that go.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: But what I'm saying is there is hope here because big companies on their own do actually fail from, you know, and they move, they move position in the ranking in the market.
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SPEAKER_00: We can speed that along with our daily choices.
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SPEAKER_00: There is so much power in your daily choice, and don't disempower yourself thinking that you're one person making this choice, right?
21:22
SPEAKER_00: You make the choice, you be the walking billboard, and people, your family, your church members, your playdates, they'll see it and they will, in the right time for them, fall in line and make those choices too.
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SPEAKER_00: And you will actually move the market.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's how we can defund these companies even sooner.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, great.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Cena, and the time that we have left, let's let's drill into the to the second kind of big question, which is you know, how do you start these big things if you don't know anything about marketing, government rules, and et cetera?
21:55
SPEAKER_01: How do you how do you start these big initiatives?
21:58
SPEAKER_01: One of her initiatives was a was a Was wanting to do something with a different kind of school uh for a son.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: I you know deeply appreciate that.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: We actually um just in the last couple months have found out there's there's a group of a group of parents that got together and they're gonna start a a farm school.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: So it's a it's a school that that uses a farm as a uh it's it's a it's a nature school, and they're gonna use a nearby farm here to launch this school this fall.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's it's wonderful here.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, in in our swap community, and swap is nothing, you know.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: We have a we have a post office and a and a and a defunct railroad siding, um, if you've been here.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: So uh this is this is an exciting thing to to get together for.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: And so um, so how do you start these big things, you know, when when you when you don't know much?
22:48
SPEAKER_00: So if we're looking at the school example, for instance, since that's what she mentioned, uh, my first thing would be talk to somebody who's doing it.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: So there's that school example that you just mentioned in Swap.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, we did a podcast with Robin Shirley that she started, um, you know, like a nature farm-based school.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: I would reach out to somebody who's done it and ask them firsthand.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, what were the obstacles?
23:14
SPEAKER_00: What was the cost involved?
23:15
SPEAKER_00: What regulations did you have to go through?
23:17
SPEAKER_00: Were there federal regulations as well as state and local?
23:20
SPEAKER_00: How did you find those?
23:22
SPEAKER_00: So I would first talk to them because sometimes ideas sound great.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not trying to discourage you from starting a school.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think that's fantastic.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: Whoever wants to do that, like wonderful, but you should also go into it with eyes wide open, right?
23:36
SPEAKER_00: Like our listeners already expressing um a somewhat state of overwhelm, right?
23:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe some anxiety and frustration.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: So, really be a realist.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Is that a project you want to start with?
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, do you want to start with some big project um in this current state?
23:52
SPEAKER_00: Or maybe you gather information on it and maybe you're like, yes, this sounds like something that I want to do.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't have the capacity to do it right now.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna put a pin in it and to know that that is okay, right?
24:04
SPEAKER_00: That is okay if you have a dream, but it's not the right season for it.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: I, you know, Joel, having three kids that are young and their ages are spaced out, I definitely have learned that I can't do everything I want to do in that one season, right?
24:18
SPEAKER_00: But instead of thinking of it as, oh, uh, my life is, you know, um, because we tend to think of this as moms, like, oh, my life's on hold.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: I have to do this instead of doing what I really want to do, right?
24:30
SPEAKER_00: And so we kind of we you there can be some guilt and shame in there.
24:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, now I just think of it as there's a season for everything.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: And if this isn't the right season for you to start a big project, that is okay too.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: What you are good enough, whatever you are doing at this point, but start by asking somebody who's doing it so you get a real um, a real life explanation, like a realist vision of what does this look like on a daily basis, not just the upfront work that you have to do going through the regulations and whatnot, but so that you know what it takes to actually run that type of school or, you know, run whatever big project it is that you want, and then make the decision from there if you want to do it.
25:19
SPEAKER_00: And again, there is no shame if you want to take on a smaller project, like starting with yourself and your family, of just being consciously aware of what you're funding with every bite of food you put in your mouth.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, Cena, that's so well said.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: I would add one other, I would add another idea to that answer.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: And that is that sometimes when the small things of our life are overwhelming, we're we're just we're attracted to the distraction of something big, yes, so that we don't focus on the things that we that we can actually affect that are that are simple and close to us.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: Um and so so so our you know our our I'll just give you an example.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: So the house is a complete disaster, like a tornado went through.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: But oh, it sounds so cool to go down and work at the uh you know, cleaning out the thrift store at the Salvation Army.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm not opposed to thrift stores, I'm not opposed to the salvation army.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: Don't read into this.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying if your house is is is uh if everybody's tripping over everything in your house and it's a clutter, probably focusing on your own house before you go clean the thrift store at the salvation army is is a is a good thing because what happens is that becomes a um what a a whatever a guilt assuage.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: I can't take care of my own stuff, so I'm gonna take care of somebody else's stuff instead.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: And my own stuff is all messed up.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: There's a wonderful book uh that I read.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: It's called um The One Thing.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: And and the whole the whole theme of the book is um that instead of trying to make a long list of the day's activities, instead decide on what what is one thing that if you could do one thing today, uh that it would, you know, it would fundamentally change your, you know, uh uh change your situation.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: And and if you just focus on one thing, um then somehow the other stuff kind of falls into place.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: And and so uh so as you're as you're struggling uh with the numerous things in your in your life, in your mind.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: Um be ready.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: Um Cena, we were talking off air actually about you know boundaries, setting uh boundaries and limitations on ourselves because we're not we're not supermen, we're not super superwoman, you know.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: We're we're we're we're finite, we're finite individuals, and so we need to understand that that we can't do everything that's worth doing or that's even noble to do.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh how many things come across our desk that are noble, good causes, good things, and and and you just you you you can't give to every charitable cause, you can't give your time to every uh thing that's that's noble.
28:27
SPEAKER_01: So you have you have to prioritize, you prioritize.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: And the one thing for me was really helpful, uh, because you know, you get up in the morning and you can just think of your head can go to the whole frenzied frenetic thing.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: And I found it very helpful to say if I can do this one thing, um, and I deal with it a lot of times with um with farmers who are are wrestling with spraying, spraying, for example, spraying uh multiflora rose.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's a real terrible, noxious, uh uh thorny plant bush that you know uh gets into our fields.
29:03
SPEAKER_01: And um and and and you know, it's amazing how many people just can't even conceive of doing what I do, which is a mattock.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: So I carry a mattock with me.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, when I go to the field, move the cows, chickens, whatever I'm doing, I carry a mattock.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's a short, it's a it's a little short um uh hoe.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's amazing.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: If you if you spend five or ten minutes chopping out ten of these multiflora roses in a week six days, you know, that's like sixty of them.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: In a month, that's a hundred and eighty of them.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: In a year, well, I can't do the math fast enough in my head, but you know, uh uh uh you you just stay ahead and and people just gawk at me like, you know, how can that be?
29:53
SPEAKER_01: Well, you just you just focus on on on the stuff that you can do right now, today, that's close that you can influence, and you do that well, and guess what?
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Your fields get clean, you know, over time, and you don't have to use sprays and chemicals and herbicides and and swear and fuss and gus and everything else that you do, you know, on this stuff.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: And so uh, so anyway, that that's kind of my take.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: Um that that all of us I think are tempted when things are out of control in our life, it's easy to get tempted to be distracted.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll fix, I'll fix somebody else's issues while my own stuff is in turmoil.
30:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: I agree completely.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, and as you're talking, I wrote down, yes, it's an escape from the reality that we created for ourselves, right?
30:44
SPEAKER_00: And and we all do this, right?
30:46
SPEAKER_00: This isn't a moment of the podcast where we're trying to shame anybody, right?
30:50
SPEAKER_00: We're identifying yes, we are identifying that this is just a human reaction.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's what you it's it is a form of escapism, right?
31:02
SPEAKER_00: We all create our own reality, and there's we all have moments where we get overwhelmed and we're like, I'm just gonna, we're not consciously thinking, oh, I'm overwhelmed, I'm going to escape by going over here and like trying to fix this person with my unsolicited advice.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: Or you know what I mean?
31:19
SPEAKER_01: It's it's a subconscious thing.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you know, I I really have a deadline to write this article, but I think I'll go visit with the neighbor instead.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm doing a wonderful neighborly thing, you know, go visit, but actually, actually, it's it's to get me away from I gotta write this article.
31:35
SPEAKER_01: I've got a deadline and I don't want to do it, you know.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: So I put that off uh and I I go to the other thing.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: Sure, we we're all guilty of this.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: There's there's no preaching here, there's just uh sharing of of of um of the reality of how we you know how we deal with these things.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: And so what I learned is that when I go into that space, because I'll start spiraling, you know, uh, because I am trying to escape so badly from whatever the reality is that I created for myself.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: So just like you said, Joel, the way I stop myself from doing that is first awareness that I'm trying to escape.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: And then I stop and I say, okay, what am I trying to escape from?
32:19
SPEAKER_00: And then I focus on one thing, just like you're saying.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: I I say, okay, I can't do all this at the same time.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: What's one thing in this moment that I can do?
32:30
SPEAKER_00: And by focusing on the one thing, the reason why it makes all the rest seem better is because you do actually shift the energy in your body.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: You shift to a higher vibrational frequency, which makes it seem like, oh, it's not that bad.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: I just did that one thing.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Check.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Now I got a dopamine hit in my brain.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling good because I did it.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: Now I can do the next step.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I got that.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Check another dopamine hit.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and you you end up with a with the project snowball.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: You start a project snowball.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: And then you're like, wow, that didn't take me that long.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: You know, um, like I'll get we get a lot of emails now.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, you know, in full disclosure, it's a little overwhelming for me.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Like we I love it, we all love it, but I'm the one reading them all and like, you know, filtering through them.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, because right now we're getting ready to host the summit, and I'm homeschooling and running the company.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: So I feel a little overwhelmed sometimes.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: And um, I said to my husband, I need you to help me answer these emails.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: I I can't do it.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: And so um I'm just really a state of overwhelm.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't want to do it.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: I wanted to escape.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I can't.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: I have gotta, these are our listeners, and I love emails.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: I have to respond.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: So all he did was sort, like in my email inbox, he just sorted them so they all came up back to back.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay, I'm just gonna start with the first one.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: Bam, next one, bam.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: It didn't take that long at all.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: But it was my perception that oh my gosh, it's too much for me to handle.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: I can't do it all.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: And if I just I just took one at a time, and then we found these great questions.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: Like that's how we got this question and when another question that we just did was because I was in a calm enough state to actually appreciate what the listener was saying and to learn from it, right?
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Instead of frantically moving on to the next thing um just to try to escape.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: So we do the same thing.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Remember, uh, Joel, we get um emails from people wanting us to help with these great causes.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: And I will constantly send them to you and I'll be like, let's do it.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: I say yes, and you're like, calm down.
34:38
SPEAKER_00: Like we can't do everything.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: You have to have a boundary here.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, like we're because because you're protecting us.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna run ourselves thin if we go and if we're if we're trying to be everything to everyone, we'll be nothing to no one.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: Like exactly right.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're we're almost out of time, but I'll I'll I'll finish kind of with this one idea too.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm one of the questions that I get all the time, uh, all around is is I I got this piece of land, uh, where do I start?
35:06
SPEAKER_01: You know, how do I start this, you know, livestock and where do I put you know, fencing and blah, blah, blah, and all this.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, they're they're looking at this uh this this this piece of property, and where do I start?
35:19
SPEAKER_01: And and my and and I always have a a basic response, yeah, initially it's overwhelming, but you start with what I I I call it the givens.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: There are there are given things.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: You don't want the cows in the creek, you don't want the cows in the woods, and and and and so as you and you need a house, and you need you know, you need a little shop, and and so you basically start with the givens, with stuff that you know you know has to be done.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: And guess what?
35:47
SPEAKER_01: Eventually that that that far field over there, it kind of it kind of falls into place because because you've started with with with the givens.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: And and I think um I think that that's that's part of this whole answer as well, is um is to to prioritize your roadmap so you don't worry about what you can't see over the horizon today.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: You start with what's right in front of your feet, you know.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: If you've got if you've got you know, poop on your feet, wash your shoes.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Start there, you know, and and then and then you take your step and you go forward.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: Um these these have been uh uh just fantastic discussions to deal with these with these questions.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: And um, and again, we're delighted to uh to communicate, to have this kind of um this back and forth discussion.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: If if you don't, I'll say this, if you don't want us to use your name, um, because we are we do appreciate these topics for discussion.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: They help to steer us and and they they become a given for us.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh what are you gonna talk about?
36:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, we've got these two really wonderful questions.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, that that's a given.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: We can jump and it helps us to to know uh where we should go and how we can be helpful uh because there are a million ways to be helpful.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: We just want to be helpful in the best ways.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: And so if you don't want us to use your name, please make sure that you tell us, you know, don't use my name, let me be anonymous.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: But here's the you know, here's what I'm struggling with, and we we so totally want to respect and honor that as well.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: But we also want to wanna shout out, you know, and be transparent about uh uh people that are asking questions and and looking for things and uh and hope that we can all you know encourage each other with our transparency, our needs, our problems, and our aspirations.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: That's what we're all about here at the Beyond Labels Podcast.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining us.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: We look forward to visiting with you again next week.