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Who Was Albert Einstein? · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, everybody.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_02: Why does that make you laugh so much and say that?
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, everybody.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Dirt Nap City.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: We are in season two.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure what episode this is because we often mix them around.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: But my name is Kelly and I'm here with my buddy Alex.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: We are actually recording live.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: I can look across the table and see him sitting there looking like a Greek god.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, Alex?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, Kelly?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: We just finished recording an episode that Alex did that uh I'm not going to say who it was because it was pretty interesting.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, but we're about to do my episode here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And remember how that works.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will start and I'll give you some clues, but Alex doesn't know who the topic is, who the subject is for this one.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: It is an interesting person, and that person is dead.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: This part always makes me nervous.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, because there could be a lot of repercussions if you get this wrong.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: I just feel like I'm being quizzed, and I feel like if I don't get it right, then I'm what does that say about me?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: And and and the thing that makes me feel stupid is that everyone listening knows who it is.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's how it was on the last episode we recorded for me, and I got it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I guessed.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I give easier clues than you do.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we'll see.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think we should go back and actually do a tally of who has the most correct guesses.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it's you.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: Who doesn't?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, because you give easier clues.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what you're trying to say?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, give me a couple of things.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Give heart smarter than me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Give heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's the right answer.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: All right, that's the end of the show.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's the whole purpose of the podcast.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, everybody.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh just to get me to say that.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yes, mission accomplished.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that was the last episode of Dird Nap City.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so no, this one I think you're gonna get these.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I realized that.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think my clues were a little bit vague.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: This guy was married.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: You have a guess.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um Okay, no, hold on.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: I got I got I got dude.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um this person was born in 1879 in Ulm, ULM, Germany.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, Um is a small town between Munich and Stuttgart, and he was born in 1879.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a town in Texas called Neu Um.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Neum, Neu Um, yeah, right?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know that place?
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: New Um.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where is that?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Somewhere around here.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Between Stuttgart and Munich, Texas?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Between Paris and uh Sweetwater?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Urm.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been to Stuttgart.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't know if I have actually.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: You've been to Munich?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh, it is a small town, 1879.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: He uh then, as a child, moved to Italy with his family, lived in Switzerland for a bit, and uh then moved to the U.S.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: What are you gonna give me years?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um 1877, you said he was.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: 1879 he was born.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: He moved to Italy when he was 15, so that would have been like the very late 1800s, 1885.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: When did he move to the U.S.?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um he moved to the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: actually, this is this is a big clue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, at the beginning of World War II.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and he moved for a reason out of Germany.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that doesn't narrow it down.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: But uh we talking about Einstein?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_02: We actually are, yes.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, nice.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I like about Einstein is that uh you can't talk about him without somebody thinking you're being sarcastic.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because because Einstein is associated with bright, smart uh but it's so much so that by calling somebody an Einstein never means you're meaning that they're smart.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: You're not actually complimenting them.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like me calling you Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Muscles.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey.
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  SPEAKER_02: Way to go, Einstein.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's never a compliment, right?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's funny though.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: But no, he was married twice.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: That was gonna be my next clue.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was gonna say Why is that a clue?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's not a clue.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's just a you think I have a database in my head of the number of marriages that every dead person has had.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: And oh, I was gonna say, you know, Albert Schwein.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was married three times.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but my next clue was gonna be he won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1921.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that that you gotta admit, that would have reined it in.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: But you guessed early.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're smart.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're smarter than me, Alex.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you stole that.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: And what year was the bagel company?
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um we're gonna we're gonna actually a bagel manufacturer.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: So actually, I do have on here a list of companies that have Einstein's name.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um you wanna you want to hear kind of some some things that he knows.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's baby Einstein, right?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um and another kind of interesting thing about that is that he has or his estate actually has a website that you can go to.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's Einstein.biz and it's run by Greenlight Rights.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: This company manages the rights of dead people.
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  SPEAKER_00: See, I'm thinking we're gonna do a collab with them at some point.
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  SPEAKER_00: We got to.
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  SPEAKER_00: But but like if you know Marilyn Monroe.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you want to use Marilyn Monroe's image in a commercial or an ad, a print ad or something, you go to greenlightrights.com, or if you want to use Einstein's, you go to Einstein.biz and it'll redirect you to Greenlight Rights, and then you negotiate from there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's like a little form you can fill out.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: But Einstein bagels, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good bagels.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I like I feel like it's they're kind of like the Panera of um the bagel shops.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're not bad, they're kind of consistent.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they're not gonna be the best bagel in the world, but if you want to bagel in a city you've never been to before and it's not New York, then Einstein's bagels is probably a good idea.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: If we cut out the part where you said it's not the best bagel in the world, we could actually have them as a sponsor, but you ruin that.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if they sponsor us, I'll call them the best bagel in the world.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they gotta earn that, man.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's Einstein has a moving company.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: You mean paying equals earning?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen those trucks, the big moving trucks with pictures of Einstein on the side?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know why you'd need really brainy physicists to move your furniture.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: That makes no sense to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kind of skinny armed um weak weaklings to move your furniture.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's also an Einstein Health Network.
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  SPEAKER_00: So much like HCA, you know, there's the Hospital Corporation of America.
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  SPEAKER_00: Einstein Health Network is a series of um hospitals and clinics.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to pay for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just have to pay for his image.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you could just tack the name Einstein on anything and it's supposed to like up itself.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think you gotta I think you gotta pay for the name.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're they I think this Greenlight Rights has a lot of lawyers.
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  SPEAKER_02: You think the moving company is paying I Greenlight?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think they probably negotiated some sort of some sort of yeah, I don't know.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: A long time ago, there was a online education company called notharvard.com, and they actually had to change their name because they couldn't use the word Harvard, even though it said not Harvard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just like not at Dirt Knap City.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you want to email us, by the way, not at dirtnapcity.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: And is anybody getting give us trouble about that?
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: I guess dirtnap city would be the one to give us trouble with that.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: They're uh well, you know, they the the the municipality of dirtknap city has already sent us some cease and desist legal documents, but we're ignoring them because they're dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's an Einstein High School in Maryland.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now that would be named after him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's actually Albert Einstein High School.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: This was this was supposed to be later in the show, but you skipped right to it, so I'm going with it.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Salesforce.com has an AI automation and decision making uh product that is called Einstein.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then most interesting, I kind of thought, you know, and of course there's you know, there is baby Einstein, there's a tablet, you know, there's like a little kids tablet that's called Einstein that teaches kids math.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there is a website, digitalhumans.com.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you go to digitalhumans.com, they actually have a AI Einstein where they've recreated his voice.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: And kind of like all the AI stuff we're seeing right now, like um what is the big one?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Chat GPT.
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  SPEAKER_00: ChatGPT, you can have conversations with this Einstein and ask questions, and he will answer you in Einstein's voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they've recreated his face.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh that one is uh digitalhumans.com.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: Is it creepy or cool?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, when I went, so I guess they only have so much server capacity.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: When I went to the website, they said Einstein was sleeping or Einstein was busy, so I couldn't I couldn't actually interact with him.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: But there was another there's there's several other choices you can make, and one was just this woman that I could talk to, and she was very cool.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: She was very uh realistic looking.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I I can't wait to hear about his life.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: But one thing that uh it strikes me is that when you talk about his in his image or his face pops up, he's kind of frozen in this particular age that we all know him with the crazy hair, and yeah, and it's probably he's probably 75 years old or something at that at that point.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the one that we know, right?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't know the the younger, more daby.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, which also makes it a curious choice for a moving company.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like an 80-year-old man who doesn't have any money.
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  SPEAKER_00: 80-year-old nerd, physicist.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like he and Neil deGrasse Tyson show up at your house to move your furniture.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is there is their tagline work smarter, not harder?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's that would be a great one.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: That would be a great one.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um no, I think their tie tagline is move equals pay us squared.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: So all of that said, um, he is definitely one of the most famous scientists in the world, you know, certainly in modern times.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, some of his contributions to science.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that he gave us Avongadro's number?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know Avongadro's number?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Man, remember we took physics together with Miss Nicks.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: Miss Miss Nicks.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, 6.02 times 10 to the negative 23rd.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say that.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Is Avongadro's number.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh all I remembered was Miss Nicks.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: It has to do with uh is this a Van Halen song we got coming up here?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh definitely not.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was Miss Mariotti.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: I thought Miss Mariotti taught.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Miss Nicks was chemistry.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Miss Mariotti was um well, in either case, not a Van Halen song.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: So Avogadro's number has to do with um like the amount of mass in a certain number of moles.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Moles are a measure of units.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, Brownian movement.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: He he brought us the Brownian movement.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was a dance really popular in the early 1900s.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, quantum theory of light was another Einstein thing.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: What wait, what I hate to ask this question.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: What it was the Brownian movement?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the green apple quickstep.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: It really was a dance?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know what green apple quickstep is?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's a southern when you're racing to the bathroom?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's a southern word for diarrhea, yeah.
• 10:56
  unknown: Okay.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what the Brownian movement was.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Why did you bring it up then?
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just telling you his major contributions according to Wikipedia.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the quantum theory of light.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you've heard of that, right?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, special theory of relativity, relativity, and the general theory of relativity.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then the photoelectric effect.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Photoelectric effect.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: These are things that led to not only space travel, but things like the television.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like you couldn't have TV without some of these, um, the uh photoelectric effect, you know, was led the way to the invention of television.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: So he was born in Germany, as we said.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Ulm.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Not neu, but um, and he was born to working class, non-observant Jewish parents.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: So he was not an observant Jewish person, nor were his parents parents.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: At age 15, as I mentioned earlier, he moved to Milan, Italy, and his father had hoped he would become an electrical engineer.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: He was a terrible student.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Really bad.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know what his teacher said about him?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: They said he was uh slow, dim-witted, and slow to learn.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's what Miss Nix used to say about me.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um he also uh had no interest in learning things like language.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like it that didn't interest him at all.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: And back then, I guess you memorized a lot of things.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: They called it learning by rote.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: I had never heard, you know, I've heard the term rote memorization, but that just means memorizing things by learning.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're a you would know that.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um and he had a quote.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: He said, School failed me and I failed school.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: It bored me.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: The teachers behaved like feldwebel.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Feldwebel means uh sergeants, I guess in Yiddish or J German, maybe.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I wanted to learn.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, I wanted to learn what I wanted to know.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted me to learn for the exam.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: So that didn't really fit his minds me of the star test today in uh in Texas.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: And the kind of things my son used to say about learning.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: He just he said one time he told me, he said, I used to like reading until they made us do it in school, and now I hate reading.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: That broke my heart, man.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's that must show a sign of intelligence.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um that you know, if Einstein felt the same way.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: But it's all about being interested, right?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, nice one, Einstein.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: At the age of twelve, Einstein picked up a book on geometry and read it cover to cover, and he later referred to it as the holy booklet.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really what kind of taught him and got him fascinated with math was geometry.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um but you know, that was too little, too late.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he ended up leaving school, and the teachers actually said he had to leave school because he was a bad example in kind of bringing the other kids down.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was a bad influence on the other kids because he just didn't care.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know what's cool though is this shows that if you're bright, if you have high cognitive ability, that nothing can keep you down.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like going, not getting kicked out of school, having bad teachers, none of that is gonna your ability is gonna come out anyways.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna be nobody can shut it out.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Same thing with creativity, I think, is like that too.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody can stifle it, right?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it it shows that I guess um just because a student is a bad student doesn't mean they're gonna be a failure in life, right?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, right.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: We see just the opposite a lot of times.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: But there there are times when bad students are failures in life.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it goes both ways.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: So in 1896, he actually um renounced his German citizenship because he didn't want to um serve in the military.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: There was mandatory military service at the time, so he said, I'm out of here.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Stateless for four years.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: He had no country to call his home until he finally applied for admission at the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, Switzerland, they speak German.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's kind of like a little nicer, cleaner, upscale Germany, more mountains.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he actually failed the entry exam for the Federal Institute Institute of Technology in Zurich because guess what he sucked at?
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Language and botany and zoology.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't care about those things.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: But the next year he passed, and in 1901 he became a Swiss citizen, and he actually met his um first wife.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Her name was Maleva Marik or Marik, M-A-R-I-C.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they became friends, they married in 1903, and they had two sons.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: But not all was well in the relationship because his parents didn't approve.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: So when you got married, did your parents, you know, what'd they would they think of uh Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: They they approved.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh absolutely.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, same here.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think both of us kind of married up a little bit.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, definitely, yeah.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: So uh she's a real Einstein.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: It it really helps when when the parents like your your choice of your betrothed his parents did not like her?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: His parents didn't.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: As a matter of fact, he wrote a letter to her.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: This is the weird part.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was corresponding with her, and in the letter he explained why his parents didn't like her.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he he was telling uh Male Maleva why his parents didn't like her.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, she was Serbian and she was four years older.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: She was she was born four years older, and his mother said that by the time uh Albert Einstein was would be 30 years old, that she would be an old hag.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Jeez.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then she didn't like Maleva because she wasn't German, she wasn't Jewish.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't German either.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not at that point, I guess.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: He renounced his citizenship.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he she wasn't born German, she wasn't born Jewish, she was too intellectual.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: You said they weren't even practicing.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: And she had a limp.
• 16:54
  unknown: Jeez.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they were they were pretty harsh, I guess.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: And his parent his father, his father had a little different tack on it.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't like her because actually he didn't mind her, he just didn't think Einstein or young Albert should get married until he had a steady job.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: So they wanted him to wait, but then they if he waited and married someone his own age, they'd think she was a hag.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, they they thought they thought she was a hag because she was older than him.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: By the time he was thirty.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, only four.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Seemed like they wanted him to marry somebody younger.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh maybe they were just difficult people.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Now you know a little bit of German.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um the translation of hag, is that a good like does it mean the same thing here?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Hagenschnittl.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Das hag no D.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Hagen Schnittel.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: And what does that mean?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it means old hag who's four years older than me.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Ich liebe mein Hagenschnittl, ja.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Seriously, do you know what hag?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like what Hagen Schnell is.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Did you just make that up?
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: I just made that up.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it hagenschnittl is like hag hagen das, you know, it's it's actually ice cream.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hagenschnittl is like uh sweet meat.
• 18:02
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• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: The explicit logo.
• 18:07
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• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Dies dies Dirtnab City Stadt ist für Bolton, yeah.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: So um seven years he worked in the Swiss patent office while living in Bern, Switzerland with his betrothed um Maleva.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: And during that time, he actually was starting to do his scientific studies.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, if you go to Bern, Switzerland, there is what they call an Einstein house, and it is uh the place where supposedly he came up with a theory of relativ relativity about E equals M C squared.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that was kind of a big deal that you know, right here in this spot that Einstein came up with this.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: But in 1914, he actually had an offer to begin teaching um you're you're familiar with that at a university.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was the Prussian Academy of Sciences and the Humboldt University of Berlin.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: So in 1914, he actually became the director of the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute for Physics, and he moved back to Berlin and became a German citizen again.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he re I guess you can renounce and reinstate your German citizenship in 1960.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, did he he got a degree in this?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, he went back to he became a teacher.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: But with no degree.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, he got his degree in Bern in in Switzerland.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, he no, he got his degree from uh the technology school in Zurich.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Was it like a PhD?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: Federal Institution of Technology in Zurich.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what they called it back then, but he he did get his degree from there, moved to Bern.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Bern is the capital of Switzerland.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: And he he worked in the actual patent office, the Swiss patent office in in Bern for many years, seven years.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then he got the opportunity to move back to Berlin, so don't confuse Bern in Berlin, right?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh back to Germany to teach at the Humboldt University of Berlin.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what would be the dream day in the Swiss patent office, don't you?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: The day that somebody comes in with the design for the Swiss Army knife.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's every patent officer's dream.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: You've got it all right there.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Let's patent this thing quickly.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder if he had anything to do with that thing.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't even call it the Swiss Army knife.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: They just called it Army knife.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because it but we we have to refer to it.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, like the Canadian Army knife, not nearly as cool.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's more designed for like moose cutting moose.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Do you like the Swiss Army knife?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: I so my mom's um my mom's father's family, my grandfather on my mother's side, is all Swiss.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: They actually my great-grandfather came over from Switzerland, from Bern, actually.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: And my grandfather always gave us a Swiss Army knife every Christmas.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: That was like his cuckoo clocks and Swiss Army knives.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: We had stereotypes.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: And chocolate.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, so much chocolate.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think the Swiss Army knife, this might be an unpopular opinion.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's like a bad version of every tool in there.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: It has a plastic toothpick, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: The tweezers.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: The tweezers do.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Double nail file.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the tweezers, the the bottle opener.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I hear you.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I kind of go back and forth on that.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know, now there's the leatherman.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you have so many to choose from, too.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do have a lot of Swiss Army knives.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um after a while, he did end up moving to Berlin to teach.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: And while he was there, uh Maleva Maleva actually stayed in Switzerland.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: So he moved to Berlin, but she stayed in Switzerland with the two boys, I suppose.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: And guess what happened when he moved to Berlin?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: What what happens when the when the cat's away?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: And give the plague to people.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he was the cat, I suppose.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: suppose he was the cat and he was away and he started uh having an affair with Elsa Loenthal.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: Lewenthal.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Lewen Brow.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know what Lo Loen, L-O-W-E-N, that's Lion.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Lion thal.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what thal is, but anyway, started having an affair with Elsa Loenthal.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well guess what Elsa Loenthal's um maiden name was?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Einstein.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: She was actually his first cousin.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is a callback to the Roosevelts.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so her father was Rudolf Einstein, who was the cousin of Albert Einstein's father.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: So Albert Einstein's father was cousins with her father, but even stranger, her mother or yeah, her mother and Albert's mother were sisters.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: So they were first cousins.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I could see second, third cousin, you know, once removed and all that stuff.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, and if you need a primer on once removed and twice removed, listen to the Elder Roosevelt episode.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: We break it all down.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: We we we we do charts.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I've already forgotten.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well you don't have to forget anything here because they were first cousins.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Their sisters were I mean their moms were sisters.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Kissing cousins.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: So he knew her already.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: So he had actually moved back there and I guess was visiting family and Elsa was there and their eyes met and they fell in love.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: So he got uh divorced he left um and and by by the way the reason her name was ma um was Lowenthal was because Luwenthal was because she had been married once before to a guy named Max Luthenthal.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: So she had changed her name and so it wasn't quite as you know when he talked about it he didn't say I'm marrying Elsa Einstein.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm marrying which is a cool name by the way Elsa Einstein.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds pretty cool.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm marrying Elsa Lewenthal who happens to be an Einstein who's my cousin.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah so how did his parents feel about that?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: So his mom didn't like his wife but how did she like her niece?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Her niece upgrade?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: I it didn't really say in there but but um uh they got married he divorced um he divorced his first wife uh Maleva and married Elsa and they um lived together and apparently you know Albert did according to some rumors have some affairs throughout his time but uh unfortunately Elsa actually they they did move to the U.S.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: at the beginning of World War II or as World War II was starting the Nazi party was rising um you know he was Jewish by birth and he recognized in 1933 that when they started burning books and seizing property it was time to get out of there.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah no kidding so he was actually in England at the time but was offered a job at Princeton University in the U.S.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: So he and Elsa moved to the U.S.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: in 1933 and unfortunately she died three years later in 1936 in the U.S.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: So Elsa died he was a single man again not married again but probably you know just a player you said he had kids?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: He did he have two children with his first wife I wonder if they came to the U.S.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well no actually um as I understand it they both lived with uh uh what's her name um maleva and one of them actually was institutionalized because he had mental issues um which you know back then who knows what that means there's they did that pretty quickly to people and but um it didn't say much about his children I didn't do much research on his children but he moved back to the U.S.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: his his second wife dies he's a bachelor and apparently even though you know despite leaving his first wife marrying his cousin having affairs he still was supposedly pretty broke heartbroken about the loss of Elsa like I guess he really loved her um so and it it did say that his first wife was more of an intellectual he had met her in school she was she was like a study buddy that he married and then Elsa was a little more somebody that he really you know enjoyed being around well and it's doubly hard when your wife dies but also your cousin right as I said before he did study quantum theory and he was one of the first people to discover quantum theory it really has to do with I do have some explanation about some of these discoveries it suggests quantum theory suggests that life does life light doesn't just travel as waves but it actually travels as electric currents.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: So this was something that was really huge in developing new technologies quantum theory was and that's actually why he was awarded the Nobel Prize for physics in 1921 was his study about quantum theory.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now of course 1921 he was still living in uh Switzerland at that time before he came to the US the special theory of relativity has to do with there's the special and the general the special theory of relatively relativity has to do with relative movement.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: So relative relativity it has the name in there basically he said there's no such thing as anything standing still or moving it's all relative to everything else.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: So basically you measure movement by an object that is near another object you don't measure it in absolute time.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right right right right right and that was that was actually pretty revolutionary at the time he also said that electrons traveling close to the speed of light would gain weight that's pretty cool.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's like eating too much ice cream or traveling close to the speed of light to gain weight.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: This all led to E equals mc squared so do you know what the E equals mc squared stands for energy equals mass times speed squared.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Speed of light speed of light yeah yeah that's right I don't know I don't know anything beyond that.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: So basically what that means is that energy and mass are interchangeable they're just two different forms of the same thing.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: So saying that you know anything that is uh matter or mass and anything that's energy they can take on each other's form.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're variables because you could swap you know how equations work you can swap one side for the other they change things at the same proportions.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: He also discovered the general theory of relativity which was uh has to do with uh physical laws and basing those physical laws on mathematical equations and that was really what he studied for most of the rest of his life that was kind of an ongoing thing the general theory of relativity is almost like writing a a language wasn't it great that we had Einstein and people like him like I'm a smart guy you're a smart guy but I'm a social scientist I'm not I don't I'm not understanding much of what you're saying.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: And here's a little thought experiment that I like to do sometimes it really bums me out.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: What if you and I were the smartest people that ever lived and that everybody that came before us was less smart than us.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't Mike Judge make a movie about this?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well I'm Idiocracy?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: Sure this is where I'm going though let's say that everybody that came before with us was either as smart or but very much less smart than we were right yeah so we're getting smarter as we go.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: No but I'm just saying if if nobody before us was smarter than us, where do you think we'd be like what inventions do you like I don't think the car would have been invented.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh you mean if we were the like how we are right now we're the smartest people that exist that have ever lived um like what would be not around I think we might mean and and this is no shade on you I don't think we'd be much further than the caveman I disagree I disagree because I think if you give people time and motivation you know necessity is a mother of invention basically people had to invent shelter they had to invent warmth they had to invent what about the camera to survive and would you have invented the camera?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's that is time.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's people giving time and fulfilling a need.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Again necessity there was a need to document things you know once the it's sort of that Pavlovian thing once the basic needs are taken care of then you start spending your time on other things other endeavors and I think for people like Einstein his his IQ is smart but not that smart compared to other people.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well and that's too what I was going to say is that I know that science moves incrementally.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not like Einstein came up with all this everything was built upon absolutely he probably helped close some loops though helped fill some gaps that had been missing probably needed him to kind of as we say push push over the finish line.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well the other the other thing that was said about Einstein is that he was a very much a free thinker and a creative thinker.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: So he actually I have some quotes in here from him about um creativity um but but he wasn't somebody who just learned by memorizing things he tried things he experimented he rejected all that stuff he yeah and so so ultimately I think I do think that I I do think we're as smart as most people before us.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know I I don't think we're any dumber than them or they were any I I feel like humans have evolved you're obviously the brain has gotten bigger and we're we have more nutrition at least we did a hundred years ago than we do today.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: We were more physically active a hundred years ago than we are today.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: We might be on the decline.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think I was talking to somebody about this and I don't know if it was you or me or maybe you said this in the podcast and I was listening to it that uh we were talking about wouldn't it be interesting if we were at the peak of humanity right now?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like if this if everything from here on out was downhill, you know, in terms of uh standard of living, in terms of intelligence, in terms of you know um and you said there's no way I don't know man.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it feels like it but but all of that said back to Einstein I I disagree with the notion that we needed brilliant people ahead of us.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: We needed motivated people ahead of us to to make these things work.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: People that needed that so the whole reason that um we discovered atomic weapons is because of World War II.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: At the time Roosevelt I'm gonna tie him back in to this show because we always do that.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Minor character in every episode Roosevelt didn't realize Einstein's the one who kind of brought it to his attention that the Germans were working on on these weapons of mass destruction these these nuclear and atomic weapons and said to him we need to do something we need to beat them to it and actually interestingly um Roosevelt listened and he um this was FDR Frankell not not Theodore he listened and or Eleanor he listened also married to his cousin right they developed the nuclear or I'm sorry the atomic bomb used it to end the war but after that Einstein was always very sad about that and sorry about that and he said had he known that Germany wouldn't be able to actually do it like because Germany didn't reach it.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now of course maybe we stopped them before they could you know given enough time they might have but he said had he known he wouldn't have done it that he he regretted doing it because Germany didn't turn out to be as much of a threat as he thought it would be but you know you gotta be if you think you're gonna get nuclear or sorry I think atomics the proper term atomic weapons dropped on you you you better you better be ready you know yeah so World War II you know speaking of all that really kind of um upended his life he had to move from Europe to the to the United States and he said um about race because you know a lot of a lot of uh world war two was based on the master race and the and the Nazis belief that they were the superior race uh Einstein said I do not believe in race as such race is fraud all modern people are the conglomeration of so many ethnic mixtures that no pure race remains and so once he came to the U.S.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: he really dedicated himself to academic study he never worried about how he looked he never worried about his clothes as a matter of fact it's said that he had just like two colors of sweaters or shirts and two two pairs of pants and just wore the same thing all the time he didn't comb his hair you know he just all of that he didn't matter he said it was inessential and it meant less time for his research.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: So he just really um you know really embodied that look of the crazy professor.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah he's the the quintessential academic I work with a lot of people that look like him the question is was that a was that a a stereotype before him or did he sort of you know kind of create that stereotype based on how he looked I don't know did he have patches on his sleeves too?
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he cared enough for that he just if there was a hole in his sleeve he just let it be a hole yeah you know yeah um he said about God that who reveals himself oh he said he did believe in God but he wasn't um particularly related to any established religion he said he he said that God was who reveals himself in the harmony of all being that was his quote and he said science without religion is lame religion without science is blind and I don't think he meant lame in the sort of lame kind of way I think he meant couldn't move you know like actually crippled I like that he was not just a natural scientist but he was kind of a philosopher too I wonder if that's just because people were asking him these deep questions or if that's how he was kind of wired.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: No I think he was wired that way because it said um he very much was an open thinker he actually joined the NAACP here in the US he joined a civil right movement and this is I guess this was a real thing which is sad but it was called the American Campaign to end lynching.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he was a part of that he supported that um he said that racism was America's worst disease.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's right uh still is it's right up there but he he definitely at the time uh was you know speaking out and I think also being a Jewish and understanding the um or at least of Jewish descent understanding the hatred that was going on during World War II he described himself as a Zionist.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what a Zionist is I didn't know and I actually looked it up from this tell me.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's someone who supports the existence of a Jewish state.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: He described himself as a Zionist socialist.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right so Israel didn't didn't become a state until after we're talking about the 40s right um and then he was actually offered the position it didn't say who offered this position to be the president of Israel but he declined saying neither the natural abil ability nor the experience to deal with human beings that he didn't have either of those things.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: But it was you know kind of a big deal they said hey why don't you be president of this new thing we're calling Israel.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's awesome as I said he kind of helped with the Manhattan Project he didn't just kind of help he was a big part of it he instigated it but his quote was had I known the Germans would not succeed in producing an atomic bomb I would not have lifted a finger yeah he said that in 1947.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: So in at the end of the war of course we've all heard of the McCarthy era era the McCarthy era I think we have a new McCarthy don't we yeah we do new McCarthy era the old McCarthy era um he was actually scrutinized for his links to potential communism and he wrote articles in favor of socialism one was called Why Socialism he criticized capitalism and he suggested a democratic socialist alternative little Bernie Sanders there.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sure um he was also a strong critic of the arms race arms race for weapons but I thought this was a great quote and the first time I read it I actually didn't get it and then I reread it and I was like oh that's brilliant so listen closely about the arms race he said I do not know how the third world war will be fought but I can tell you what they will use in the fourth rocks.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: Wow the planet of the apes there yeah yeah I thought that was that was pretty yeah I love that quote and yeah I I read it at first and I thought he meant rocks as in you know like rock like hey that rock I I don't know I couldn't but like literally if we blow each other's up that's gonna be the only weapon yeah so you asked earlier about him you know not just being a scientist but also having um you know open mind and and a social kind of comment making social commentary he was also a musician so he actually told the Saturday evening post if I were not a physicist I would probably be a musician.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: He played the violin and the piano and he had several violins during his life but probably they estimated between five and ten you know different times in his life that either got given away broken whatever but he always named them uh Lena L-I-N-A.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: So all of his violins were named Lena and in 2018 one of them was sold at auction for you want to guess how much someone bought it for oh geez it's probably it's probably less than you think.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: When I saw the number I was like that's a lot of money but I would have thought Einstein's violin would have fetched more so really so I don't know a hundred thousand then five hundred and seventeen thousand yeah I thought I thought that was I I was thinking it would be in the millions but well except for it was Einstein's violin he wasn't known as a violinist.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah which I think makes it all that much cooler I mean his slide rule would probably go for more than that right uh well it was um also said by his second wife Elsa that oftentimes when he was trying to suss out a problem, you know working out something in the scientific world, he would sit down at the piano, play the piano, stop, jot down some notes, and then continue playing and would do this for a while until he had um solved the problem.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: Why did you think it would go for more than I mean he wasn't a violinist.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know Einstein or Johnny Depp you can't even compare those two.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just did you did but but I mean yeah I don't think Kevin Bacon's harmonica again again I mean if we were talking maybe George Washington and Einstein or we were talking a Saint and I mean there's a lot of people but but George Washing George or um Johnny Depp and who did you just say whoever you just said are not on par with Einstein.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: My point is it's it's a it's a tool something he's not known for which I think makes it all the cooler it was his passion.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: He loved music.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: But he loved his cousin too so let's talk about IQs Mr SmartyPants Einstein so Einstein never actually had a formal IQ test given or at least nobody knew that he did.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: But and they were kind of in their infancy back then anyway so they weren't real good tests.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: You want to guess Einstein's estimated IQ based on like today's numbers?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well based on yeah based on people today you know knowing what he said and what he knew what did they guess his IQ to be estimate it to be I won't say guessed I know that uh a standard IQ the average is a hundred and the standard deviation is fifteen yep so if he were two standard deviations eighty five is on the low end one fifteen is on the high end.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right so if he was two up which is you know what top one top two percent that would put him at one thirty so yeah I would say he'd be in the one thirty range.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: So his IQ Einstein's IQ was estimated to be around one sixty.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's incredibly high that's that is high point zero one or something like that.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly so yeah as you said um the the um put some four standard deviations above the mean standard wow look at look at that Einstein over there.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what you just said but it was sure sexy you've been talking about particles and so the according to my sources about 70% in the 70% of the people in the world have an IQ between 85 and 115.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right as you said uh 120 to 140 is considered very superior intelligence 110 to 119 is considered superior intelligence 90 to 100 or 90 to 109 or 85 to 115 is average.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: So other people with an IQ of 160 that have been measured you want to guess some uh big computer guy not Michael Dell uh um Bill Gates.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Bill Gates yep IQ of 160 handsome fella data demi moore Bill Gates did no Ashton Kutcher oh I thought you I thought you ashton has an IQ of 160 yeah he was a chemical engineer.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um got got his butt kicked by Ivan Drago in the fourth movie Sylvester Stallone he is not a 160.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's what that's what it said.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_03: I don't believe that yep he it doesn't come across that way but he's no I just don't I mean that is so incredibly high.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: So some other some other people with high IQs in the sort of one thirty range uh Beyoncé supposed to have a one thirty IQ James Franco he's supposed to be pretty smart.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: Lady Gaga she's pretty smart.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Quentin Tarantino
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: The thing is, I don't doubt your sources, but not very many people actually take IQ tests either.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's odd that every celebrity's taken it, and none of us have taken it.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, but if you're a smart celebrity, that's one of those things you are.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like why do we have my my respect for Ashton Kucher went up when I saw that.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like, oh, I just thought he was some beefcake dude that I respected him when he married me more.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: Guys our age do that.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: And guys his age were like, what are you doing, dude?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: She's old.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: She's an old hag.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: My IQ has Hagenstimmer.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: My IQ's gone down since we started this podcast.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry to hear that.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if you got somewhere else to be, Alex.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Einstein.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, 160 was what they estimated his to be.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: So some of the highest IQs in the world, William James Sidis, he was born in 1898, died in 1944.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: He was a child prodigy mathematician, and he was another one of those ones that was a little before this, but they estimated his IQ between 200 and 250.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't even make sense to me.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, Marilyn Voss Savant.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I remember.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: You heard of her?
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, she used to have an article in Parade magazine.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: She's still alive.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember this woman?
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: She's still alive.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember this?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: I used to read this every Sunday in Parade magazine, and people would ask her the most ridiculous questions.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, she was supposed to have the highest IQ of the movie.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, it was Parade magazine, right?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: And people would ask her, like This isn't like um, you know, some highbrow magazine.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: She would put herself out there as the smartest person in the world.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: And people would say things like, Um, my cat peed on my couch, how do I get it out?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: How do I get it out of my couch?
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: And she would answer.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: She she was like, Ask Alice or uh Dear Abby.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: She would just ask answer the most Or they'd ask questions about the relationships and very social stuff.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: Not really appropriate to a genius.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: They would never ask her questions that No, and I think there was a lot of sexism in that, quite frankly.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Now looking back, they would ask her questions that you'd ask a question.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't have asked Einstein these questions.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you'd ask a stewardess this, not a flight attendant.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: But as a, like I said, as a social like social scientist and budding budding social scientist, I used to love reading that um because it would always be questions that I think I could answer that.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: So do you want to guess Marilyn Voss Savage?
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think she used to say it was like 158 or something like that.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: 228 is what uh what with the Guinness Book of World Records said.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know if that's if it's possible to compute things.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: The Guinness Book of World Records actually doesn't um doesn't it no longer recognizes the smartest or the highest IQ anymore.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they they got so irrelevant.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was a category that has done its time.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Leonardo da Vinci, also uh around 180 is what they said.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: So unfortunately, 1955, the world um stopped when Albert Einstein died in 1955.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um but did you ever hear what happened after he died?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: To him?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, to his body.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh was he um did was he given the uh the uh cryo treatment?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: The Geronimo treatment.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, um his uh so the physician, a pathologist named Thomas Harvey, who was um performing an autopsy, actually stole his brain.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Took his brain out, put it aside, and had hoped to put it into a jar and had hoped to study it and uh was caught.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: But um I don't know whatever happened to the brain, but yeah, his brain was removed without without the families or anybody else's permission.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: Was caught.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: I love I would love to see how that went.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Did you take Einstein's brain?
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's walking out.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, what is that lump?
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Run it through the x-ray again.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: He was trying to get on a plane, he was trying to get on a flight, and and the they pulled him to the side, customs did, and I don't even say they had technology back then to be able to study a brain.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it probably all the brains.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, you know, there's some Yeah, they they could study brains and that.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we were depends what you mean by study.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: You could observe it and look at differences.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay with the stick.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_02: See what it does.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna look any different than yours or mine, no offense.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know, man.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like his might have had more neurons or something going on.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: You can't see that.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: You can't visibly see that.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: So we already talked about the um my wrap-up of the famous companies with the name Einstein.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: And again, if you want to wait a minute, hold on.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: He wouldn't have been able to get anyone to help him with that study.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: He would have had to do it all himself because he stole Well, he was a pathologist.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: But he would have had to do it all by himself.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and he could have gotten all the glory.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: No, because he had to keep it secret.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the one who figured out that that Einstein's brain has special neurons in it that make everybody smart.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how'd you do that, Professor?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, once he figured it out, it wouldn't have mattered.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's how'd you do that, Professor?
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's an ends just it doesn't matter.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: I did it.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's the ends just didn't know that he was so smart, Professor.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because I have his friggin' brain right here.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, wait, how'd you get his brain?
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: I stole it.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: You criminal?
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: Thief?
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: I I scooped it out of his head like a bowl of ice cream with a spoon.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we promised we promised in our trailer we weren't gonna talk about death, and here we are talking about scooping brains out.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: So if you want to name your company, your band, your do a commercial, anything like that, you go to Einstein.biz and don't forget that you can talk to the AI Einstein.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: As a matter of fact, we're gonna do that right after we finish recording.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna see if he's available at Einstein.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, sorry, at digitalhumans.com.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: So you're saying that if I wanted to have a rock band called Einstein's Cousin, that I would have to go through this outfit in order to do that?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I suppose I suppose the the point is um the point is that you would have to do that until the point where you got so popular that you actually were making money.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like our podcast here right now.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right now we can do whatever we want because nobody really cares, right?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: But at the point where we are popular enough and making money, people are gonna start coming after us.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because they want the money.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, what if I wanted to have a band named the Browning Movement?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Browning family might have an option.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: Do we ever figure out what the Browning movement is?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: It was a dance, I'm telling you.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: So uh let me see here.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: B-R-O-W-N-I-N-G movement.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is uh kind of Browning moving in storage.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: They did it already.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Brown Browne Brownian movement, also called the Brownian motion, is described as the uncontrolled and erratic movement of particles in a fluid due to their constant collision or other fast-moving molecules.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: So doesn't that sound like a dance?
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: It is a sort of dance.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a dance of molecules.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what I got on Mr.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: Einstein.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: Let me leave you with just a couple of uh quotes from Albert to leave us all feeling high and and uh just high.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: Leave feeling high.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: He said if A is success in life, then A equals A plus Y plus Z.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Work is X, play is Y, and Z is keeping your mouth shut.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: Must have been uh one of those That's more of a snarky.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a little snarky.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh number two, he said, and we've seen this before, we can't solve problems using the same kind of thinking we use to create them.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I like that.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: He said, any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then he said, Logic will get you from A to B.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Imagination will take you everywhere.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds like something he would say.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then finally, we'll leave you with this one.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone who's never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: You think he really said that?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: According to the webs, he did.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't sound as eloquent as the other ones.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but but you know, it's sort of it's sort of true.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, nothing like ventured, nothing like that.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, it sounds like it sounds like his brand, that's for sure.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he was a free thinker.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: Did he say the in definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he would have said that, except his brain was stolen.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: So uh thank you, everybody.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you enjoyed this.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh as we've said before, if you have a suggestion, we might not take it, we might, but email us at at what?
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: What's our email address?
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Not not K-N-O-T, but just N-O-T at dirtnapcity.com.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then that's the at sign.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: Not at dirtnapcity.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Not coming at dirtnapcity.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to talk, um talk, say bad things about me, email Alex at dirtnapcity.com.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to say bad things about Alex, email Alex at dirtnapcity.com.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think there's a podcast called Catnap City?
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: There might be one called Cat Scratch Fever.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we we could have the nood on sometime.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: That would be fun, wouldn't it?
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get him out here.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see what he is saying.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: Woo! Pew, pew, pew! I got my crossbow and ain't brought it to your heart, you Lip Tard.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: Bye, everybody.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: We enjoyed it.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: Take care.