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Normally Podcast: Planes, Prescriptions & Punchlines · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, we are back on normally the show with normal,
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Speaker 1: which takes for when the news gets weird.
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Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine Ham and I'm Karl Markowitz. How
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Speaker 2: was your mother with Daniline? Catherine?
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Speaker 1: You know, it was good. I had some fun time
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Speaker 1: on my own. I had some fun time with the kids,
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Speaker 1: went to a little barbecue in the evening. Took some
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Speaker 1: of the kids with me, not the young ones because
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Speaker 1: there they couldn't stay out that late.
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Speaker 3: But we had.
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Speaker 1: We had a good old time and I got like
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Speaker 1: lots of little homemade goodies from my kiddos.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 4: Very nice.
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Speaker 2: I just realized I haven't read their cards yet.
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Speaker 4: You got to get on that. How is yours?
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Speaker 2: It was great. We had a beach day and then
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Speaker 2: we went to dinner at a restaurant called Malco, which
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Speaker 2: I think you and I were at in Tel Aviv.
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Speaker 4: Nice.
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Speaker 2: It was fantastic, really delicious. If anyone's ever in West Palm,
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Speaker 2: I highly recommend it.
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Speaker 4: Very nice.
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Speaker 1: And as you and I always say, train your kids
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Speaker 1: early to go to the restaurant and not be on
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Speaker 1: a tablet.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is difficult.
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Speaker 1: Climb the mountain, and then you get the payoff after
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Speaker 1: you climbed the mountain.
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Speaker 4: It's great.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would even say I see kids on the
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Speaker 2: tablet on the beach and that actually more bananas hurts
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Speaker 2: my heart.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my gosh, oh goodness.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: Well, in addition to our wholesome weekend, Trump was cooking
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Speaker 1: up some stuff as always. On Sunday, I was on
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Speaker 1: Howie Kurtz's Media Buzz on Fox, and I'm just going
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Speaker 1: to throw to a SoundBite of myself assessing Trump's weekend activities.
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Speaker 1: I actually on every Monday just spend some time catching
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Speaker 1: up on weird ideas Trump had over the weekend.
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Speaker 4: Some of them I really do not like. This is
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Speaker 4: our cross bear. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I was like yesterday I was seeing things break and
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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, it's Mother's Day. I'm
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Speaker 1: not doing this right now, yep.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I will learn it all well tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: I'm not focusing on Katari airplanes right now, yep.
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Speaker 1: But we have since focused on Katari airplanes, and.
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Speaker 4: We will talk about this story in which.
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Speaker 1: The apparently the gout Our government at some point has
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Speaker 1: proffered a jet that could become air Force one as
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Speaker 1: possibly a gift to the Trump administration, which would in theory,
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Speaker 1: be refurbished, become Air Force one, and then go with
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Speaker 1: him to his library at some point. That those are
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Speaker 1: the basic outlines. Now, there's a lot of fighting about
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Speaker 1: the details here.
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Speaker 2: Yes, how details matter, and so we'll try to get
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Speaker 2: into that here. But it is a confusing scandal because
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Speaker 2: on one hand, the White House is like, Hey, we're
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Speaker 2: getting this four hundred million dollar plane from Qatar, Qatar
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Speaker 2: or whatever.
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Speaker 4: They're doing it in.
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Speaker 2: Full compliance, out in the open. And you're like, well,
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Speaker 2: if this was somehow illegal or untoward, they wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: doing it this openly, right, they wouldn't be showing it
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Speaker 2: to us. But I really don't know what's a thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I my gut says, this seems like a very
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Speaker 1: bad idea.
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Speaker 4: Yes, now the reason they're doing it, I think. Actually
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Speaker 4: one of the things.
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Speaker 1: I've learned from this story is the continuing saga of
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Speaker 1: what the heck is going on with Boeing?
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Speaker 2: Right right, because Comfortably Smug unearthed the Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 2: story from a few days ago that Boeing is apparently
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Speaker 2: supposed to be making a new Air Force one and
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Speaker 2: they are very far behind on that.
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Speaker 4: Yea, So they were supposed to be.
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Speaker 2: Their key project, right, Yeah, well they.
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Speaker 1: Were supposed to maybe deliver it last year. Trump wants
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Speaker 1: an updated Air Force one. The other Air Force one
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Speaker 1: is aging, Like there are two jets that are aging.
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Speaker 1: Boeing won a three point n nine billion dollar contract
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Speaker 1: but is now years behind schedule and billions of dollars
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Speaker 1: over budget. That's Josh Dassy with the Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 1: reporting on that it's a series of supplier, engineering and
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Speaker 1: manufacturing setbacks. So Trump, being Trump, is impatient for a
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Speaker 1: nicer aircraft. He's rightly annoyed with Foeing he gets offered
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Speaker 1: something for free. But here's where I think Trump doesn't
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Speaker 1: all doesn't always rarely thinks through the moral implications of
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Speaker 1: the security implications of something that he could easily do
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Speaker 1: as a businessman and private citizen. Right, taking a gift
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Speaker 1: as a businessman and private citizen, fine, But the cutter
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Speaker 1: government is not a friend to us. And taking what
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Speaker 1: could be some weird booby trapped seven or seven from
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Speaker 1: them that we then have to retrofit to fit the
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Speaker 1: needs of the actual leader of the free world sounds
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Speaker 1: dicey to me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he kind makes it seem like if you
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Speaker 2: think it sounds icy, you're stupid.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I am.
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Speaker 1: And this is a thing that concerns me too, which
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Speaker 1: is that Trump, and has always concerned me about Trump,
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Speaker 1: is that when he is treated really nicely feted by
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Speaker 1: a foreign government, he responds to that. He responds that
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Speaker 1: just as he does in personal interactions. And so when
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Speaker 1: he's offered this giant gift free of charge, he's like,
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Speaker 1: there is a possibility that he's nicer to them, that
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Speaker 1: he's kinder to them, And I don't want him being
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Speaker 1: kinder to the kataris.
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Speaker 2: Right, right. He loves to be loved. We've talked about
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Speaker 2: that on here before. It's absolutely a negative, I think
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Speaker 2: because it allows you to be captured, just even emotionally
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Speaker 2: by people. I think we've seen it happen to him.
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Speaker 2: And again, it doesn't matter where you stand on the
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Speaker 2: issue necessarily, Like I think Kim Kardashian did that in
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Speaker 2: the first term. I think she was very nice to him,
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Speaker 2: posed for all the pictures with him, got what she wanted.
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Speaker 2: And even if you're for that, you know the plan
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Speaker 2: that they worked on together to have non violent criminals released,
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Speaker 2: you still can see where her maneuvering on it was
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Speaker 2: very emotion spase.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And this is my argument for Democrats from the beginning.
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Speaker 1: It's that y'all should have normalized him from day one,
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Speaker 1: because you can walk it. If you can get access
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Speaker 1: to him in his office and you can put something
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Speaker 1: in his ear, he may decide that that's the greatest
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Speaker 1: thing he's ever heard. Like that is just part of
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Speaker 1: how this works. Donald Trump on truth says, so the
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Speaker 1: fact that the Defense Department is getting a gift free
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Speaker 1: of charge of a seven to forty seven aircraft to
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Speaker 1: replace the forty year old Air Force one temporarily in
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Speaker 1: a very public and transparent transaction, so bothers the crooked
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Speaker 1: Democrats that they insist we pay top dollar for the plane.
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Speaker 1: Anybody can do that. The Dems are world class losers,
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Speaker 1: magalliate the potential savings. I believe we'll be paying for
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Speaker 1: the Boeing planes as well while this is happening.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a point about the public and transparent
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Speaker 2: part of this transaction. Again, I think that he took
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Speaker 2: away an argument from Democrats on this, and I think
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Speaker 2: they're scrambling around right now for something to say other
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Speaker 2: than Qatar is not our friend. And I don't think
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Speaker 2: that they really have something that the initial thing that
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Speaker 2: they went for and that they always accused Trump of
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Speaker 2: is being a scammer and just kind of taking advantage
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Speaker 2: of the office, and that's tougher to do here because
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Speaker 2: of the transparency.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I also think Democrats have trouble arguing on these grounds.
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Speaker 1: This is like Democrats getting super mad quote unquote about
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Speaker 1: the Pope picture. It's like, guys, we don't believe that
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Speaker 1: you care about the reverence toward the Catholic Church or
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Speaker 1: the Pope, so using that against him is not effective
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Speaker 1: in this case. We don't always believe that you guys
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Speaker 1: aren't keen on talking to all of our adversaries at
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Speaker 1: all times and giving them, I don't know, Iran palettes
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Speaker 1: of cash, so it's harder to make the argument. I
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Speaker 1: do think this is one of those situations where you
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Speaker 1: just suck it up and pay for the thing that
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Speaker 1: you need and you don't put yourself in a position
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Speaker 1: where you can have this, you know, hung on you.
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Speaker 1: And also like, what are we getting out of Cutter?
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Speaker 1: What is happening with Cutter. There's reports that are very
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Speaker 1: early that he's going to end up in Cutter as
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Speaker 1: part of this deal for Edan Alexander, the Americans still
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Speaker 1: in Gaza, who I'm very excited as being released, But
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Speaker 1: what kind of folks are.
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Speaker 4: We having with these people?
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Speaker 1: And they need to be extremely stern and clear eyed
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Speaker 1: and not about the interior of a seven to forty seven.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I try to give the Trump administration the
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Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt on kind of You know, there's
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Speaker 2: a story right now that Eden Alexander, when he is released,
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Speaker 2: he'll be taken to Qatars to meet with Trump. I
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Speaker 2: hope that that story is wrong. It isn't sourced super well,
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Speaker 2: so I don't know if it's true. It's also just
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Speaker 2: very hard because there's a lot of internal politics that
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Speaker 2: maybe we were not going to get super into on here.
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Speaker 2: But in Israel, the families of the hostages are fairly
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Speaker 2: left leaning and they hate net Nyahu, and there is
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Speaker 2: this kind of undercurrent of that and a lot of
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Speaker 2: the things that happen. For example, there was a story
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Speaker 2: last week about that Steve Whitkoff, the negotiator from the
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Speaker 2: United States, said that Israel doesn't want to end the war.
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Speaker 2: And then I saw this headline and I was like,
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Speaker 2: my god, this is not a good story. But then
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Speaker 2: you go into the story and it's like third hand
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Speaker 2: families of the hostages say Israel doesn't want to end
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Speaker 2: the war, which has been their line all along on Netanyah.
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Speaker 2: So again, I think when people hear things about Israel,
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Speaker 2: they have to understand that they have their own internal
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Speaker 2: politics that we're not privy to, and that the stories
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Speaker 2: you might be hearing might not be exactly what you think.
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Speaker 2: So that's why I kind of give the Trump administration
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Speaker 2: some leeway on the stories that come out on this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would say proceed with caution with most
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Speaker 1: of the stories that come out.
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Speaker 4: Of this Middle East trip.
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Speaker 1: Wait for verification for anything you find to be, you know,
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Speaker 1: really wild, because.
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Speaker 4: There are going to be weirdly sourced stories.
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Speaker 1: There are going to be people trying to grind access
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Speaker 1: on all sides of all domestic policy exactly in the
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Speaker 1: countries that he is visiting, so our press, which is
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Speaker 1: legendarily untrustworthy. So just as this trip is ongoing, I
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Speaker 1: would keep a grain of salt with you at all
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Speaker 1: times exactly so we'll we'll find out more about this.
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Speaker 1: My general gut is like you should probably turn this
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Speaker 1: down and deal toughly with Cutter about the fact that
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Speaker 1: they're Hamas's buddies on the world stage and what can
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Speaker 1: we do about that, and the fact that they still
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Speaker 1: have all these.
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Speaker 2: Hostages exactly that is, you know, I think, as usual,
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Speaker 2: we're pretty aligned on this. I hope that the Trump
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Speaker 2: administration turns this down. I hope they realize that the
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Speaker 2: outcry is very pointed and specific to Qatar. They are
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Speaker 2: not our friend.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: This new rehabbing of Qatar is really not for me.
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Speaker 2: I think that they are in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 2: The problems that we have in America, a lot of
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Speaker 2: them you can trace back to Qatari influence. I think
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Speaker 2: that the the mobs that we see on campus, the
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Speaker 2: kind of anti American rhetoric, a lot of that is
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Speaker 2: paid for by Qatar, and we need to open eyed
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Speaker 2: about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a It's an important point that
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Speaker 1: Cutter in particular has a record of buying people that
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Speaker 1: they're buying education, They're buying educational institutions. They're buying people
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Speaker 1: and institutions all over this country in an attempt to
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Speaker 1: influence us in a different direction. So maybe stay away
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Speaker 1: from that. We have another fun idea from over the weekend.
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Speaker 4: You want to read this one.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you know another another case. If I
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Speaker 2: saw this yesterday, I was like, this is going to
12:43
Speaker 2: have to be tomorrow's problems.
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Speaker 4: We'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 1: So here's Donald Trump's truth, and I'll read it in
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Speaker 1: full so that you have all of it. For many years,
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Speaker 1: the world has wondered why prescription drugs and pharmaceuticals in
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Speaker 1: the United States of America were so much high in
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Speaker 1: price than they were in any other nation, sometimes being
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Speaker 1: five to ten times more expensive than the same drug
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Speaker 1: manufactured in the same exact laboratory or plant by the
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Speaker 1: same company, many many question marks. It was always difficult
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Speaker 1: to explain and very embarrassing because in fact there was
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Speaker 1: no correct or rightful answer. The pharmaceutical drug companies would
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Speaker 1: say for years that it was research and development costs,
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Speaker 1: and that all of these costs were and would be
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Speaker 1: for no reason whatsoever, borne by the suckers of America alone.
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Speaker 1: Campaign contributions can do wonders, but not with me, and
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Speaker 1: not with the Republican Party. We are going to do
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Speaker 1: the right thing, something that Democrats have fought for many years. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: I am pleased to announce that tomorrow morning, this is Monday,
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Speaker 1: in the White House at nine am, I will be
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Speaker 1: signing one of the most consequential executive orders in our
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Speaker 1: country's history. Protection prescription drug and pharmaceutical prices will be
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Speaker 1: reduced all caps almost immediately by thirty to eighty percent.
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Speaker 1: They will rise throughout the world in order to equalize
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Speaker 1: and for the first time in many years, bring fairness
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Speaker 1: to America. I will be in shooting a most Favored
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Speaker 1: Nations policy, whereby the United States will pay the same
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Speaker 1: price as the nation that pays the lowest price anywhere
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Speaker 1: in the world. Our country will finally be treated fairly,
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Speaker 1: and our citizens healthcare costs will be reduced by numbers
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Speaker 1: never even thought of before. Additionally, on top of everything else,
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Speaker 1: the United States will save tillions of dollars. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for your attention to this matter. That's my favorite part
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Speaker 1: of all these. Yeah, make America great again.
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Speaker 4: Okay, there's a lot going on. There are there a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of drugs that are currently price capped. I can't
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Speaker 2: find a lot of information on this. It's also it's
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Speaker 2: so hard because the arguments kind of around this are
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Speaker 2: so ridiculous. They're just like from the left, it's like
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Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies make too much money and so we need
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Speaker 2: to limit that. I don't get a sense that the
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Speaker 2: left knows how to oppose this either, because they're basically
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Speaker 2: Trump's doing what Bernie Sanders has dreamed doing. But it
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Speaker 2: is it is a giant problem for us because I
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Speaker 2: think when Americans here that other countries are paying less
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Speaker 2: than we are, it is unfair. It doesn't seem right. However,
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Speaker 2: there's a way that drug prices are determined, and our
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Speaker 2: system is so fractured. We have all these different entities
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Speaker 2: that determine the prices, whereas these European countries have just
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Speaker 2: the one entity because they're of socialized, registine system. We
15:33
Speaker 2: just have a different system, and I'm not sure how
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Speaker 2: this gets aligned.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I would start by conceding that, yes, our healthcare
15:42
Speaker 1: system has many, many problems, and I understand why people
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Speaker 1: are upset about that, particularly when they hear that, like
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Speaker 1: in Canada, across the border, they're paying so much less
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Speaker 1: for the same drugs. Right one, I think we both
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Speaker 1: agree that we're very unsure whether he has the power
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Speaker 1: to do any the central control, whether it's on tariffs
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Speaker 1: or these price controls. I'm not a fan of the
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Speaker 1: market is generally smarter at doing this, and to the
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Speaker 1: extent that we have pain in this country is it's
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Speaker 1: because there's less of a free market than there.
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Speaker 4: Should be for these things, and he's trying to make.
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Speaker 1: It less free marketing, which is that's not the direction
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Speaker 1: I want to be going. I think the problem with
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Speaker 1: this is that, like all things, with all goods, if
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Speaker 1: everyone becomes a socialist, the good disappears, right, Okay, So
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Speaker 1: the same is true with pharmaceuticals. We do forty to
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Speaker 1: fifty percent of pharmaceutical research and development in this country,
16:44
Speaker 1: one hundred billion here and two hundred billion in the
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Speaker 1: world globally according to recent estimates.
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Speaker 4: So that's a lot.
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Speaker 1: You would lose some of that if you cap prices
16:58
Speaker 1: on too many things, because it's just like a it's
17:02
Speaker 1: like a Hollywood studio, right, Some movies are tent poles,
17:07
Speaker 1: and then you make other things that are less lucrative,
17:10
Speaker 1: and you're able to invest in those things that might
17:12
Speaker 1: have a long term research in to it, right, and
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Speaker 1: you might lose some of that as opportunity costs if
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Speaker 1: you're capping the cost of everything. Because the pharmaceutical company says, well,
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Speaker 1: now we can only make these number of things, and
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Speaker 1: that will affect the whole world. The other problem we
17:30
Speaker 1: have is that we just have a third party payer
17:33
Speaker 1: system that is not quite socialist but sort of Frankenstein socialist.
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Speaker 5: And the result is that no one knows what anything
17:42
Speaker 5: should cost ever, nor bears the price of it, because
17:47
Speaker 5: there's all though an intermediary, and so the market can't
17:49
Speaker 5: work to bring down prices in the way that it
17:51
Speaker 5: would otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Right. So the thing is that Trump tried this in
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Speaker 2: his first term as well. He tried establishing most favored
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Speaker 2: nation pricing for Medicare, and it didn't work out. It
18:06
Speaker 2: was September twenty twenty, so he was nearing sort of
18:10
Speaker 2: the end of his road. But the idea was to
18:15
Speaker 2: bring pharmaceutical companies to the bargaining table to negotiate better deals.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be totally shocked if that was the point
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Speaker 2: here too. I wonder if pharmaceutical companies will do that
18:27
Speaker 2: instead of taking the Trump administration to court and saying
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Speaker 2: you're actually not allowed to set our prices. So if
18:35
Speaker 2: it ends up that this is a negotiating technique, like
18:39
Speaker 2: a lot of what Trump does. I guess I'll be
18:43
Speaker 2: happy about it. I don't love the government telling private
18:48
Speaker 2: companies what they can do. I think that that takes
18:51
Speaker 2: us down a dangerous road. It's not going to be
18:54
Speaker 2: just pharmaceutical companies. What other goods do we absolutely need
18:57
Speaker 2: in the government? Thing too much for it's a dangerous
19:01
Speaker 2: place to be. Having said all that, he did win
19:05
Speaker 2: on this populous thing that I know you and I
19:07
Speaker 2: are not super fond of. But he did run on
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Speaker 2: this right, He ran the first In his first campaign,
19:17
Speaker 2: he kept saying this phrase that would make me crazy,
19:19
Speaker 2: but it was We're going to take care of everybody, right,
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Speaker 2: And I was like, Oh, this is so not Republican
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Speaker 2: or a conservative to say we're going to take care
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Speaker 2: of everyone the government. That's not supposed to be taking
19:29
Speaker 2: care of everyone. That's not the role. But people love
19:32
Speaker 2: it and people want it, and if conservatives want something else,
19:36
Speaker 2: we need to be making the better argument for it.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, to that point, the message is going to
19:41
Speaker 1: be popular and liberals are going to be annoyed at
19:45
Speaker 1: how popular it is, and both sides will be annoyed
19:48
Speaker 1: at me because I'll be like, this isn't.
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Speaker 4: Going to work, and it's not that it won't work.
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Speaker 1: You can force people into putting price caps on things,
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Speaker 1: and there are things that exist. I believe there's a
19:58
Speaker 1: price cap on insulin, for instance. But you can force
20:03
Speaker 1: people to do price caps. You just lose other things
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Speaker 1: in the process, and you end up with less innovation
20:09
Speaker 1: and you end up with fewer drugs. And some people
20:12
Speaker 1: would say, well, farm is bad anyway, and I don't
20:14
Speaker 1: trust them, but like, look, farma.
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Speaker 4: Does a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: They don't just do the things that you're suspicious of.
20:20
Speaker 1: They do a lot of work on rare diseases, on
20:23
Speaker 1: things that are really hurting people, on genetic disorders that
20:26
Speaker 1: you could improve, and we see a lot of.
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Speaker 4: Those innovations regularly.
20:31
Speaker 1: And you do really run the risk when you socialize
20:34
Speaker 1: things of coming up with far less of that, or
20:38
Speaker 1: of supplies being way lower than they would otherwise be.
20:41
Speaker 1: That's where you end up in Canada, where you have
20:43
Speaker 1: socialized medicine and you can't get a surgery, or you
20:46
Speaker 1: can't get a scan, or you can't get the drug
20:47
Speaker 1: you need, so.
20:49
Speaker 4: It has costs.
20:51
Speaker 1: You're just advertising you're going to fix all of this,
20:53
Speaker 1: and then the costs are apparent later.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll see what happens again. If one more thing, Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I must blame the Libs for this from the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Blame because it's not that part of this.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because the reason we have a Frankenstein situation in
21:11
Speaker 1: the first place and people don't just pay their health
21:13
Speaker 1: insurance or pay their health care is because in the thirties,
21:18
Speaker 1: the Libs were like, you know what, we got to
21:20
Speaker 1: put wage and price controls on companies so that they
21:23
Speaker 1: can't pay their employees what they want to pay them.
21:26
Speaker 1: And when they did that, employers responded by adding healthcare
21:31
Speaker 1: plans to their packages of compensation to make up for
21:35
Speaker 1: that and recruit good talent. So it starts with price
21:37
Speaker 1: controls and it ends with price controls.
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Speaker 4: Stop doing it.
21:40
Speaker 2: Word to your mother. Absolutely, we're going to take a
21:43
Speaker 2: short break and come right back with Normally. We're going
21:50
Speaker 2: to end on a lighter topic because I think we
21:52
Speaker 2: got you know, we had two very complicated into the
21:55
Speaker 2: weeds topics, but I thought that we had to do
21:57
Speaker 2: those snl is what are they trying to do? Are
22:00
Speaker 2: they trying to appeel to Americans, like all Americans, not
22:03
Speaker 2: just super lefty Americans?
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Speaker 1: It's crazy, right, But two times in the past year
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Speaker 1: or so they have done skits about the Founding that
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Speaker 1: people who like The Founding and America have found very enjoyable.
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Speaker 4: So this weekend they had.
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Speaker 1: In the past it's been Nate Bargatzi playing George Washington
22:23
Speaker 1: and that went super viral. This time it's Walton Goggins,
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Speaker 1: who's one of my favorite actors. I am just so
22:30
Speaker 1: excited that this weird Georgia boy became an actor with
22:34
Speaker 1: his big teeth and his crazy accent and hair. He's
22:38
Speaker 1: on white lotus, he's on righteous gymstones, all sorts of
22:41
Speaker 1: stuff got his career started and justified, which was a
22:45
Speaker 1: sort of like famous cable net series. At any rate,
22:50
Speaker 1: he hosts SNL this weekend and they have him as
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Speaker 1: a founder.
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Speaker 4: Of sorts in the room. It's in the room while
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Speaker 4: they're writing the Bill of Rights? Shall we hear that?
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Speaker 6: Now?
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Speaker 3: What shall we discuss next? What is the second most
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Speaker 3: important principle of our nation? Guns?
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Speaker 6: Excuse me, Gune, I don't hate that, well I do.
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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. So what is your name? Matt?
23:27
Speaker 1: Matt?
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Speaker 3: What Matt?
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Speaker 4: Don't you worry about it?
23:32
Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 6: Matt?
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Speaker 3: What will posterity say of us if the second right
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Speaker 3: we enshrine in this document is simply guns that.
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Speaker 6: We don't play.
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Speaker 4: Damn, that's actually kind of sick.
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Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, no, the idea is ludicrous.
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Speaker 4: Wait now, hold on.
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Speaker 6: I mean we did just make a law that said
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Speaker 6: anyone can say whatever crazy stuff they want, right, maybe
23:59
Speaker 6: this gun would kind of balance that out.
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Speaker 3: Lingo Okay, yes, but by the same token, wouldn't having
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Speaker 3: a gun emboldened people to say crazy stuff as well?
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Speaker 5: Bro?
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Speaker 6: Whoa yeah, what makes that make sense?
24:18
Speaker 4: Gentlemen?
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Speaker 3: We cannot just have an amendment that says guns, but
24:21
Speaker 3: what about guns?
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Speaker 2: Having them.
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Speaker 4: Smart?
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Speaker 6: Like?
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Speaker 4: Who is this guy?
24:28
Speaker 6: Why is it he running this?
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Speaker 3: Matt? I am open to discussing guns for a later amendment,
24:33
Speaker 3: but I must insist we move on to a more
24:36
Speaker 3: pressing concern.
24:37
Speaker 6: You're screaming, sir, where are you from?
24:43
Speaker 3: Exactly America?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
24:49
Speaker 4: But where in America?
24:50
Speaker 6: Which state.
24:52
Speaker 4: Are United One?
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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, the thing is that they
24:57
Speaker 2: don't end up making some sort of leftist argument there,
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Speaker 2: which rising I kept waiting for it. It just comes
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Speaker 2: off as like, yeah, this is what we did because
25:08
Speaker 2: we are bad.
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Speaker 4: You know, It's.
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Speaker 1: Great and Walton Goggins is the perfect person to deliver
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Speaker 1: this message. No, I enjoyed it so much because it feels,
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Speaker 1: as you say, celebratory. It feels like good natured poking
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Speaker 1: fun at the sort of very wild nature and beginnings
25:29
Speaker 1: of American freedom.
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Speaker 4: And I'm here for that.
25:31
Speaker 1: And I know that I think liberals do sometimes have
25:34
Speaker 1: trouble understanding why we like being like fun being poked when.
25:40
Speaker 4: It's actually funny.
25:41
Speaker 1: Right. I just enjoy this very much, just as I
25:44
Speaker 1: did the George Washington thing, because there are ridiculous things
25:47
Speaker 1: about our founding that if you put pen to paper
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Speaker 1: and have somebody actually funny and normal doing it, it
25:54
Speaker 1: comes out great.
25:56
Speaker 2: Right. It's comedy for most of the country. And I
26:01
Speaker 2: think SNL or if other late night shows would get
26:03
Speaker 2: back to that, they would see success. They would see
26:07
Speaker 2: kind of that we're not so separate and that laughing
26:12
Speaker 2: at ourselves is important. I think we've talked about it
26:15
Speaker 2: on here before. But Nate Brigazzi, who you mentioned as
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Speaker 2: one of the other founding father skits on Saturday Night Live,
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Speaker 2: his comedy is so normal, it's not at all political.
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Speaker 2: It's so just about America and just for all of us.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He was profiled in Esquire this week because he has
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Speaker 1: this brand new book out called Big Dumb Eyes, which
26:40
Speaker 1: is going gangbusters. But his stats are insane, it says
26:45
Speaker 1: last year in Nate I got to the forty six
26:46
Speaker 1: year old comedian from Tennessee sold more tickets to his
26:49
Speaker 1: stand up shows than anyone in comedy, including Jerry Seinfeld,
26:52
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle, and Sebastian Menscalgo combined. That's more than one
26:56
Speaker 1: million tickets for an eighty million dollar hall. In October,
26:59
Speaker 1: he has Saturday Live for the second time in twelve months.
27:02
Speaker 1: Two months later, his third hour long comedy special for
27:04
Speaker 1: Netflix premiered. Every week you can hear his musings on
27:07
Speaker 1: the Nateland podcast, and then his book came out. He
27:11
Speaker 1: in this interview, and I'm so pleased to hear it
27:15
Speaker 1: because I think of him as sort of king of
27:16
Speaker 1: the normies and.
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Speaker 2: Totally, yes, that's a perfect description.
27:20
Speaker 1: Kay's he's clean, his comedy is clean. I can watch
27:24
Speaker 1: his specials with my kids.
27:26
Speaker 6: I do.
27:26
Speaker 4: He's just goofing on his normal life.
27:29
Speaker 1: He's married, he has he has faith, but it's not
27:34
Speaker 1: explicitly like family friendly comedy. And it's not religious comedy,
27:39
Speaker 1: it's just comedy.
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that it was family friendly comedy for
27:46
Speaker 2: a long time. Only like after a while did I realize, like, oh,
27:51
Speaker 2: my kids are watching this with me. There's no cursing,
27:53
Speaker 2: there's no sex, there's no like explicit content at all.
27:58
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's just fantastic. I have tickets to show.
28:01
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people who bought the tickets.
28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's also thinking about starting a production
28:09
Speaker 1: company for normy content and a theme park for the
28:14
Speaker 1: normies to visit. So he's like, is he our generations
28:17
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton? Possibly, but again, like I think he's even
28:22
Speaker 1: less right coded than Dolly Parton is now. Dolly Parton
28:26
Speaker 1: is universally loved at this point, but she is specifically
28:30
Speaker 1: faith based, and you know, her theme park has a
28:33
Speaker 1: lot of that running through it.
28:34
Speaker 4: He says.
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Speaker 1: When he's talking about producing things, he's like, I just
28:37
Speaker 1: want to do things that normal people could enjoy. And
28:42
Speaker 1: he says it's not explicitly religious. He says, like they're
28:45
Speaker 1: just not going to be navel gazing, weirdo signaling right
28:49
Speaker 1: at pieces. And I love that someone this powerful is
28:53
Speaker 1: interested in doing this, and the reason he's powerful is
28:55
Speaker 1: because the market of normis is huge.
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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly stuff for the normies, and you will succeed.
29:03
Speaker 1: I just want to note one fact check for the
29:05
Speaker 1: SNL guys, which is appropriate. They're lefty guy in the
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Speaker 1: founding representing their point of view, gets it wrong and says,
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Speaker 1: we just wrote a law saying that people can say
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Speaker 1: whatever they want.
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Speaker 4: It's a bill of.
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Speaker 1: Rights comes from God above, does not come from the government,
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Speaker 1: and is not granted by the government. But you know,
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Speaker 1: we all I'm sure that the left leaning audience of
29:28
Speaker 1: SNL learned a little something about the Second Amendment anyway.
29:30
Speaker 1: I just want to point out not a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of guys they're doing their best over them, they're like, what.
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Speaker 4: Is interesting anyway, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to the federal's papers later, but you know
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Speaker 1: they're getting started well.
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